Chulin 33

Daf Yomi

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We're gonna start where we left off yesterday by the bottom. Towards the bottom of Lamid Bazim and Baez. Gufa Umr Bishman Lakish. Probably about 10 to 12 lines from the bottom of the Umar. Gufa Umr Bashman Lakesh, we saw yesterday. Shachar is a gum akchakh nikva esarreah. So we have a lot of words to read today, so we're gonna get through it, read and understand the Meshoshem. And we don't have so much time. So we'll try to go fast. But either way, Rishlakish said yesterday that if you shacht the Khan, Akhakach nikva rea. And then the rea, which is the lung, gets a nekem in it. The point is before you shachted the Vashit. So the Shahitah is not khashar yet. And it became a trefa. It got one of the one of the things that would render it a trefah because it has a hole in the lung, which is going to be a big problem. Big khidish from Rishlakish, it's going to be ksha. It's going to be kosher. As long as you finished off the shtitah, it's going to be good to go. And you're going to What? Yeah, Kufa. So Rishlakish said that if you shachhted the kana, and then you sha then a neked came into the reyah before you finished off the other simen, the Vashit, Kshira. It's going to be kosher. Why? Because we saw yesterday the Swara is because we look at the uh we look at the lung as if as if it's a hemshik of the kana. The kana is the windpipe, and it goes straight into the lung. And once you cut through the kana, you already did that simen, so the lung is is uh bye-bye already. The Gemara said, command the manchhiya to command the manchib. But what's medikula? It's like it's sitting in a basket, and therefore we look at it as mamish, not part of the animal anymore. You shachted the kana, the kana is goes straight into the uh into the lung, the lung is mamish like it's sitting in a basket somewhere else. I don't care if it got a little hole afterwards, it's going to be it's not gonna go in Pasal the Shikita, it's not gonna, even though it's technically a trafia, you already shachted the khana, so it's not gonna affect anything, and as long as you finish off the shaitha and come continue to shach the other simon, which is the Vesh, it's going to be okay. But Ammar Rabbah Rubba clarified that. Loi om Rabsham alakesh elabiraya. Rub ra Rab Shiman Minlakish only said that by the one asking a little bit. The Rashlakish only said that by the reyah. Only by the lung. Why? Because the whole khiyas, again, the whole reasoning that we explain that the whole khias of the rea is tluyabana, since it's a hemshikh of the kana, and therefore that's why it specifically as relates to the rea, but a different body part, abol the bneyme ayyam like, but as relates to the b'name aim, let's say the intestines, the intestines would be considered a hemshik of the veshet, if anything. And therefore, that would not be considered uh that would not be considered part of the same thing, and that would not have the same heter that Rish Tokesh gave over here. And again, the reason is because the whole you don't have the reason of Kemal de Manchya be kudil over here, it's not like it's sitting in another basket. Because it because the whole point that we look at the lung or we look at the yeah, the lung as as if it's separate and outside the animal because you already shachted the khanna. But if you look at a different body part that has nothing to do with the lung, if in the end of the day, if it got a nekiv, it's considered a trefun, it's gonna be a problem. And mascular, but asked on that. That I don't understand. I hear you're smart that it's not connected to the kana, the kana was already shachted, it's not uh commanded mancham, but in the end of day, may akrash and neld simani trefa itarta. In the end of the day, once you were matyr, something that had one of the simani trefa, a hole in the lung is a simen trefa. Therefore, if you were Matir that, then Maliba Rey, Malibi Mene'aiim. Why do I care where the Simon Trefa is? It's specifically in the rea, it's specifically in the Mene'aim. I hear you have the whole swara that it's a Hemshech of the Khanna, which you already cut. But in the end of the day, it's not what you already cut. You cut the Kana. Now you're you had a Simon Trefa somewhere else in the uh in the lung, and that's in and and in the end of the day, if it's something else, and it's the Simon Shrefa before the Shita was Nigma, before you finished off the Vashit, so it's gonna be a problem. So what do I care if it's in the if it's in the Khan or if it's in the again the reya or the Bene'im? Says the Gimur. So Malibi Rey, I'm a Bene'a'im, but Rabzera and that there Ribzera came along and said this farah that if it's a sim and tref, it's a sim trefa and I don't care. Ribzera was actually Hoyser on that. And he was maskim in the end, that really this haloh of Rashiman alakesh only applies by the rea, which is a continuation of the Khanet. But but the Bene Iim, that actually would possibly. If you get a nekiv and the Bene Iam in between the two Simonim, that actually would be a problem. Where do we see this debater Abzera? Ribzera asked the following. In the case where the Bene I'm the intestines. The intestines have nothing to do with the Khan. It actually has more to do with the Vesha. So if the intestines got a nekiv between the simonim, after you in between the two simonim, mi mitzarfu simon rish and the sim chene, letarim mi de nevela. Oh the question is, is the simen, once you finish off the second simen, is it gonna be mitzvarif to be mitahir, the animal midin nevela, or not? Because we're assuming right now, because again, if it had a nekiv in the Peney May'am, it's 100% a trefa. But if that's if that only happened afterwards, so the first the first simmon, as we learned yesterday, was enough. Lafi uh, you know, sometimes to be mitari middin nevela. There's two things. It could be a trefa, which is a problem to eat, and nevela is a problem to eat, but there's a difference between because between a nevela and a trevah because by navela you have Tumas Nivela specifically. So if you want to be Mitar middin Tumas Nivela, technically the first simon is enough. But once you finish off the shrita, it's considered a one shrita. So can the first and second be mitzarev to make it a good shit to be mitarit me tomas nevela? Why not? Because it's coming to do two different things. Once it already got one of the trefas in the middle, in the in between the two, you have a problem now with the Benei. So when you finish this off, it's not gonna be Kashir at all. So if it's not gonna be Kashir at all, the first one was coming to be Mahsharit, really you need to do a good shrita to be Mitar Middinavela. But the first one was coming to be Maqsharit, really La Akilah and Mitomba. If it would have continued properly, you would have had a full good animal, you could eat it now. Whereas the second simon, at that point, all you're trying to finish off is to be Mitar middinavela. And eating it, you're not gonna be able to eat it anymore because it already had a semitrefa. And therefore, can you be mitzarifta to, even though they're not coming to do the same thing, can you be mitzarifta to in order to be mitar middin nevela or not? That was the question. Isn't this already something that Ilfa asked? Isn't Ilfar Verbichan as we know the story? Isn't this something Ilfa already asked? That Hoitz the Uber Bein Simil Seminar Uber, which was a little baby animal inside the mother, and the mother was being schechted, so in between the two Simon and the mother, after you scheched the first, before the second, the Uber stuck at its hand. So we know there's aloh of Ben Pakua that if you schecht uh animal, so it's matur. That shaitha is matyr, the uber that's inside, that it's not gonna need its own shrita. However, that's uh there's a limitation on this aloha. If it if it put out an Avar, if an Aver of the animal went out, of the Uber went out, so that Aver is gonna be considered a tree for you're not, it's not gonna be uh it's not gonna be nittar from the same uh from the same shaitha of the mother. So the question is what if it happened between the two Simon? Mao, meme mittarface similar to the same chain. Is it gonna be mittar? Eloi is it gonna be mitar from the vela aloi? So it says the Gabar seems to be the same. This seems to be the suffic of Ribzero, even though it's a little bit of a different case, we seem to we're assuming it would be the same Allah. Where was Rabzero's shailah? That was only Latari Mi Denevela, Bachila Asura, but he's for sure gonna say it's Usr, Bahachilah. Therefore, what's the question? The point is that we started off with Gufa. Umr Ribsman Lakesh. We said the halakh from Rashman Min Lakesh that he said about the re it's gonna be Kash. And Rabbah came along, that Rish Lakesh only said that by a rey. But by Beneh I am Lloyd. And Rabzera came along, I don't understand. If it's a traiph it's a traf, and I don't care what type of traf it is. I don't agree with your smara. Then we said the Hadrbay Rebzerah but says the Gemara, what do we see over here? If Hadrbe is Rebzera, because Debah Ribzerah, this is proving that Rebzera was Hadrbay. Because we clearly come out over here that Rebzera across the board is gonna hold that it's gonna be Asir across the board. And one in the case we literally said over here that it got a nekim in the Menay aim in between the two Simani. And Rebzera holds that the whole question is only the Tarimitomas Navelo. But as it relates to Akilo, it's gonna be completely uh Asr Bachilo. He's assuming it. But that and that's where we see Rabzera with Khaizer again, clearly, because before he said that Rab Shimon says it's gonna be Khashir's across the board, even the Minay Mayam. Over here, clearly, we see the assumption he's taking is that Bahilo it's for sure going to be Asr. Sorry, Dilma the Alamlay Hadrbe. Maybe Rabzero wasn't Hadrbay. Didn't we hope just bring a back and forth showing the assumption Rabzaira took to say that Baha'ilo it's for sure gonna be Asir, and therefore uh for sure he was Hadrbay, and the only thing that Rib Shiman bin Lakish was Matir had to be the Bene'aim, but not the or sorry, the the lungs, but not the the reya, but not the Bene'i Ma'im, because that would actually be a problem. So as a Gabarno, maybe Ribzaira was not Hudrbay, and he actually holds that Bene'am would be the same thing according to Rash Lakesh. Okay, what about this back and forth we just brought? Ribzir Lidvarab the Rabakamar. Ribzera was only saying Lidvaracharab, he was going on the on what Rava said. Vilas really, but he doesn't actually hold like that. What would he hold? He would hold that it's actually gonna be mutter even the hilo in Sheeta's Rish Lakesh. Why? Because again, in the end of the day, if you were Matir Simon church find between the two Simonim, Mali bereya, malibine may'am, I don't care where it is, you were Matir Simon Trafa, so it's gonna be cut across the board. Umr Rib Achar Yakash. We one thing we see from the Allah of Rishlakish again. So we're starting a little bit of a new thing right now. So, what was the Allah of Rishiman Lakish? The alakha was that if you shacht an animal and in between the two Simonim, after you already cut the Khanah, now you get a nekiv in the reyah. So at that point, it's going to be kashar. As long as you finish off the shiit, it's gonna be kosher because at this point that you cut the kana already, it's as if the whole kana along with the reyah is kemademantha b b basket dummy, and therefore it's not here anymore. So, what do I care if it gets a nekab in the lung after you cut it? After you cut the kana, you took away all the khiyas of the kana and anything attached to the kana like the cut like the reyah. But, however, we saw that in Rish Lakish the the something else is gonna be different. The Bina'i may'im you wouldn't necessarily uh say the same thing because you don't have this same smara. The bana'i'aim is not connected to the tone, and therefore, if it gets a nekab in the bana'i may'im in between the two simonim, that would be a problem. But either way, it says Rab Achabariak. One thing we see from Shiman Lakesh is Mizamnin ni Israel Abname'a'im. The ain' mizamnim ovi khom'abname'aim that you're allowed to invite uh a yid over to your table to eat, and you could give him aim to eat intestines, that's something he's allowed to eat. Basically, a yid's allowed to eat b'name'aim, but a guy is not allowed to eat b'n'ame'im. You cannot feed him aim. If you are, maybe you're gonna be over uh um the la sita in miksho. Because he is not allowed to. Why is he not allowed? To my time. Because you saw the Bishkita Tali milsa, you saw that it the it's all tall in shita, whether you're allowed to eat this bas or not, it's all tall in whether it had a kash or shita or not. So came in the air, he came in the eka shita malyas. So is it so once you have a good shait, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what's uh what else was going on, and it's gonna be mutter, and now you're gonna be able to eat it. But I have to khavim de binihira sagilhu, but what does he need in order to eat the animal? Again, Avermanachai is one of the shavins of binaria. So the guy is mitstaveh to at least kill the animal. So the binchira talyamilsa. It's the binihira sagilhu, it's good enough to kill the animal, so you actually have to make sure the animal's dead before you eat it. Uh misa talyamilsa. So what comes out? It's totally in Misa that the animal has to be dead. That what it must be dead already before the Aver departs from the body. So if you take an Aver from the body before it died, that's called Averminakai, even if it dies later on. And therefore, what? Hanike Avramakhai Domi. So it comes out that the intestines are gonna be considered le aka avraminachai, and it's good lumdus. Why? Because according to Rish Lakish, because if you shacht the khaneh, the moment you shachted the kanah, the reya, before you finish the shakita, again, let's start here. Where does that when does the animal die? When you shacht rev the two simonim. So as soon as you shacht one of the simonim, the animal's not dead yet. But according to Raishlakish, we look at the whole rea as if it's gone. It's k it's in a basket somewhere else. And therefore the whole rea and the whole khanah were disconnected from the body, put in a basket somewhere else. It was separated from the animal. Is the animal dead yet? No, because you didn't finish the two simonim. The animal's not dead, and therefore it's Avramanachan 100%. For a yid, it's the shit talyamilsa, it's bishkita sagidulu. So as soon as you finish the shita, it doesn't matter. That's gonna be matur everything. But for a goy, again, it has to be it's the Misa talyamilsa. For a and what's the nachkamina? And the nachkamina is can a yid eat from an Avar of the animal after you did shrita, but it's still being like mitharhesis, it's still jumping around. So it's a little bit alive, but and then the day you had a shit, a kash of shita, you could 100% eat from it. But by a gai, what's the point? The point is misa. So as soon as you shach to be one of the saman the khan, it's as if the rea is k it's in a basket on the side, and if it's mamish removed from the animal and the animal's not even dead yet, so that's gonna be considered name of Avivan Akai. So it comes out that the Benayme Ayyim or the Raya, these cases, your a gai is never gonna be able to eat, and that would come out of here. But Amara Papa Rappa says on this that Habi Yasimna Kameh the Raba Briakam. I was sitting before Rabah, U Boyi de Aimele, meek immediately, so Shari, Ula Khan Masrara. I heard this over and I wanted to tell him. Is there such a concept that you could have something that for uh yid it's gonna be mutter and for a guy it's gonna be asar? Is there any such concept that you find a khumra by a guy, really? But I didn't tell him that. Because I'm I I assume that he had uh something to answer back. But says the Kamara Tanya the Laker Rahbar Yaqab, I have a braise so not like a rachar yaqiv, meaning like his original swara, meaning he should have said it. Because I have a ra mean sorry against Rabakabar Yaqav, meaning that Raf Pappa really should have said what he said, because we have a ray against that it comes out that if this is Motafarayid, it probably should be Motafara guy as well. Where do we see this? Haraysa lachabihemakim shte and after someone who wants to eat from an animal before the animal officially dies. Why would you want to do that? We're gonna see in a second it's good for like Rafua. Okay, if you want to do that. So Mibesa Shita. So obviously you've got to do the shita, but once you do a shita, you take a Kazai's busar from the Besas Shita from the area of the Shitha. We're just saying that because that's like the easiest place to do it, because that's where you are already. But you take a Kazai's bus from the Besas Shita, Umalcha Yafyaf, you have to do Melecha because you can't eat dam. Umidika yafiyaf, you wash it off. Um mantinashitinafsha, you have to wait until the animal dies. The point is you removed it before the animal fully died while it was still being mitfarches. So now you wait till the animal fully dies. And then you could eat it. And this is the point. Echudavitham Echodisha Mutaramb. Doesn't matter if you're a yid or a gai, it's gonna be you're gonna be mutter. What is it? What do we clearly see? That this inin is not gonna be considered Avramanachai even for a goit. Even though the Bemisa Talyamilsa, we see a ray against Ramahwiak. This would actually be a raya to Ravidi Baravin. Uh sorry, to Ravidibara, yeah, the Amara Vid Baravin, Ammar Vitzuk Bar Ashian, Harai Sishiyabri, someone who wants to get healthy, kazais, Basami Base Shitashobah, Umacha Yofy Yafa, Madika Yafi Yafa, Maman Shit Sinapsha, Echra Vitcom Nachari Strom, Mutaranba verbatim, exactly what we just said. And that's why the Zara says the Gemar against her Machumarayakov, which means her Papa really should have spoken up when he thought to. Um, unless maybe he would have had a time, and we don't know right now. But says the Gemar. Hashikit Behemah Chayev'ai. Next Mishnah. Someone who shafts the behema chayaroif, Viloyot Mayhem Dan. But no blood came out. Is that gonna be okay or not? Shay, it's gonna be Kash. You don't need Dan to come out. So as long as you did a good Shita, you got the two Simonim, you're gonna be good to go. Vinachalam Byodimusaivas. Not only that, you're allowed to eat it, you can eat a beyodimus with hands that are uh with tame hands, basically. Daimusavis, we're gonna see it's the concept of tumadaraban, the bottom placed on your hands that they're gonna be considered shneim uh litoma. And we know there are different levels of lituma, we're about to get into it, but either way, your hands, that's part of the reason for Natilas Yadayim, but you're allowed to eat it, what's the point? You can eat it with tame hands, and it's not gonna be mitame it. Why is it not gonna be metame? This buster that you just shachhted, Lefishulay Huksharubid Dam. Because it was in Hukshir Bidam, because the Dam wasn't Maqshran animal. We know before something is makabultoma, before something becomes tame, it has to first be Hukshir Lakabutoma. It has to be ready to be Makabutoma. How does how do you do that? So it has to pass through water. Kiyutan 9. Dam is one of the mashkim. It has to be a mashkin, not just water. It could be any mashka. Dam is one of the mashkim generally. But this dam is not gonna be maqshrih. This dam is not gonna be maqshri the maqshra the basr, and therefore, therefore, even if you have tame hands, it's not gonna be Metame, because the thing is Bikal, not uh Mikabaltama. But says the Gabar Shimana Ribbshim says Hokshra Bishkita, it actually became Hukshir Likabutum with the Shita itself, meaning you don't need it to pass through water now to be Mikabutumma because the Shitta itself made it be Mekabutumma. Why? As Rash says, Mash Vilainami Uchla Legabi Tama, because it makes it considered eichal. Aichal now is mikabutumma. Once it did a good shahitah it's considered eichal, eichel enough to be mikabal toma on its own, even if you didn't have uh it come into contact with a liquid. But either way, it's a kidma. Time dam, hoyotzame handam in the chalom yodimasaivas. So it sounds like the only reason you're allowed to eat it with tame hands is because dham didn't come out, because blood didn't touch it. But if blood did come out, then you can't eat it via dime saivas, then you can't eat it with but with uh tomehans. So why not yodaim shnein? We know yodaim, tumas yodim that they're abundant sin, are considered a shani litoma. There are different levels of tumma. There's what's known as the avatoma, that's the source of toma itself, like the sherit, or a dead body that's a via voice tuma. Whatever it comes into contact with, that's now considered the rishoin litoma. It's the each each step, each contact to the next thing gets dumbed down, then uh another step. That's generally how it works, and therefore, what you touch first becomes a rishoin. That touches a shani, that touches a slishi, then a reveal. Now, what we have to know for here, and this is generally calletoma, is that everything can become a rishoin. Everything can become a shani litoma. However, only truma and katsum can become a slishi, hulan cannot become a slishi, and even a revi, even truma cannot become a revi. So says the Gemara, I don't understand. You're gonna tell me that the reason is that Dam didn't come out, but if Dom did come out, then you wouldn't be able to eat it with Tame hands. Why? Because uh you're gonna be Metame. I don't understand why you would be Metame. Your hands are Tame, which is what? That's a shaini litama, you're dime shnio sin. It's a shaini lutoma. So whatever you're gonna be touching, this boss becomes what? A shlishi. Now, what are we talking about here? We're assuming hulin. If we're talking about hulin, a hulin cannot become a slishi. So what do you mean? What are we even worried about? What are we worried? You're gonna touch it, you're gonna make it tamay, you're not gonna make it tame. It's hulin machal. Hulan doesn't become a shlish in the tumma. Says gemara, okay, but umimaide behulin askina. Diktani says gemara, how do you know we're talking about hulin? Maybe you're gonna tell me we're talking about kh'chim, and therefore, uh therefore you don't have a problem. Of course it becomes says the game, I'll tell you why, because diktani chaya. It says a chaya, deal with kachim, chai bikim iqa. You don't have a hai bikim. There's no such thing as uh shachting uh a chaya, it's not a thing by kachim, and therefore you're not gonna have obviously obviously the shachting of the chaya we're talking about is going to be chulin, and therefore we have a question again. We're worried that you're gonna touch it with tame hands? Well, you it's chulin, you can't make chulin tame with tame hands because that's gonna because you daiim shniya is saying and sneeyim are not, they don't they do not make a shlishi but chulin, says the gemar of such, I'll ask you another casha. Ibi kachim, meaning I'll bring you a bunch of ries. The gemar is bringing a bunch of rise right now. Why we're not talking about cutchim in the Mishnah? Because Vesu ibn Khajim, if we're talking about Katshim, Kilo Yatzamahan Dam Ksha. Kiloyat's ma'am dam. Sorry. Visu, Ib Khajim. Kilo Yatzamahan Dam Ksha. What do we say in the Mishnah? That you don't need dam. Uh, even if blood didn't come out, it's gonna be fine. So, really? By Kajim, if blood didn't come out, it's gonna be okay? Who at smiled damutsarich? That's what Kutchim needs. You need the blood, you gotta do the kabbalah, hazrika, you gotta do all the vitals with the blood. So, what do you mean it's no problem if blood didn't come out? Of course you need the blood by cutshim. Misu, another point I'll prove to you it's not cutchim. If the Mish's Vama Kudim, Kyotum and Dam me Maqshir, if even if blood would have come out, would it be Maqshir to Kudchim? It wouldn't, because Vama Rubhi Baraba Murray can be nana dam kudchim sha'in a maqshir. How do we know that dam kuchim? Although blood generally is considered one of the liquids that can be maqshar something, kabalas tumma. Dam khutshim is not. It cannot be maqshir why she remember the pask says, Allah artist pachanukamay, which teaches me, Dam Shenishpah Kamay Mahsh, Sha'ina Nishpah Kamaim in a Maxhir. Only dam that you could spill like water and you don't need, that could be Maqshir something like Abutuma. But dam that you do need and you can't spill it on the floor, why you need this blood? You need to do this because you need to do the all the albitis. That cannot be maqshir something like Kabotoma. So it says Akmar, even if you would have the blood, it wouldn't be Mahsira because it's Kachim. I'll tell you another reason why it's not Khakim, because Iba Khim, because if it was Kachim, Ki loyetimayam Dam. Loi Miskashri. Kiiloyetimayam Dam Loim Miskashri, meaning we're assuming what? If blood didn't come out, then it's not going to be Hukshra on its own Lakabotama. What was the assumption in the Mishnah? That blood didn't come out, and therefore the blood wasn't maqsha lakabultama. So sa the garbara by Kachim was be Hukshala the Kabotama anyways. Because the Skashri be chiba saqidash, because there's such a concept by Khajim that it becomes Huksha Likabotumma. Some by Chiba Sakadesh, the fact that it's Khacim Michlao. Why? Because that's anyway, find my Khajim. The fact that it's Khakshim, that makes it Mikabutama. So says the Gemara, the Kaimelan, as we know, Chiba Sakadesh mechashartan, so says the Grammar Ammar Abnachman, Amara Rabara Bua, you're right. We just brought a bunch of reasons why we know that the Mishnah cannot be talking about Hulin, cannot be talking about Kh'chim. If it's not talking about Kachim, then I don't understand. What's the problem with your hands being tame? Why would that even be a problem, even if it was, meaning even if you would be able, even if this thing was mikabu toma? So I don't so it sounds like you're not gonna be able to do it with tame hands, why not? Your tome hands are shneim. And if it's sneey, it could only make a slishi. And hulin does not become a slishi, and we just showed you it can't be kh'im. So what are we talking about? It says Muramar Abnahman, I'm a rabbit baravua, ha behulin shellkhan mechese maestruskin. And we're talking about hulin, but not regular hulin. We're talking about hulin that you bought using Kesef Mayser Shani. As we know, Maysershani, you can be pointed on to money, you're outside your shalim, you go to your shalim, and you buy whatever you want. You buy whatever you want in your shalim, and that transfers the kedusha from the money on to whatever you bought. So you bought chulin, that was an animal, and that hulin now is Kadusha's Mayser Shanei. And that Kadusha's Mayser Shanei, we're assuming now can become a shlish. That's the point. Uh-huh like her mayor, and it's not like Rameyr, because Rameyer is not gonna hold that it can become a shlish, he's gonna hold that it can't. Where do we see the shit is Rameyah? It's nan, we have a Mishnah. Kalaton be osnami deverse. Anything that needs to be washed midverse, mean meaning midrabana. It has a toma midiraban, like your hands, anything like that, it's considered a shame lutoma, and therefore mitame sa koidesh, it's metame koidesh, upoisa satruma is gonna pasal truma. What's the difference between mitame and poisil? Metame means that that thing that you're being mitame has the ability to continue and be mitame something else. So that's mitame bakoidesh, because if it's a shame, then you could be mitame koidesh, that koidish is a shlish, and the koidesh can be mitame other koidesh, which becomes a revi. So mitame koidesh, and it has the ability to transmit that tumma again. Uh upoisa truma, poisel is the last stop. It's gonna passle truma because truma again can only be a slish. Truma can't make Truma a revi. And therefore it's gonna be Paisel the Truma because that's gonna be the last stop. It's not gonna be Metama the Truma. It's gonna be it's gonna be Metama the Truma. But it's considered a Psol because it that's the last stop over there. But either way, Mutter Bhulin. But by Chulin it's mutter. It's a little bit uh confusing to understand. It's not mutter usr. The point is Tamir Tahr. But it's Tahor by Chulin, that's the point. It's gonna be considered 100% Tahor according to Ubi Mayser, the Rameir, that's the point. That Khulin and Maiser, it's on the same level according to Rameer. Maiser cannot become a Slishi. So that's why we end when we answer that we're talking about Meister that can become a Slishi, is Udaliker a Meir. That's where we clearly see it's the Liker Meir, because he would hold, or the sheeta we said, is going to Alib the Khaham in the Khaham and Meiserim bin Meister. They hold that Meister can become a Slishi, and that is what we're talking about, where you bought Maiser Shanei, and that is the case that it could become even a Slishi in the Mishnah. How do you know? Maybe this where they're abundant argument or mayor is only by eating maister. Avni gia the maisser, but touching maister, or achila de chulin, or eating chulin loi pliggi. They don't argue at all. And everyone's gonna agree that it cannot become a slishi. Says Gemara, and huh, and he proves it, that our Mishnah, the Hawai Negiahi, our Mishnah is talking about only Nigiya. Where do we see them in the Tani from the fact that the Mishnah said nechholin biodimus? It didn't say oichlin, you could eat it. It said nechholin, it's eatin' which sounds like you're feeding it to someone else. Feeding it to someone else, what are you doing? Sachako, you're touching it. And if you're touching it and giving it to someone else, Milaya skin in the ka sapelechabre, you're giving it to your friend and you're feeding it, and therefore you're touching it. So the Mishnah can't be talking about mycer. Because we're obviously only talking about touching mycer. And touching my sir, we just said everyone's gonna agree cannot become a slishi. You cannot transmit to a slishi by myster just by touching it, and therefore, what is the Mishnah talking about that we're worried in a certain situation about your tame hands being metame something to make it into a slishi because your hands are only a shani in the end of the day. So, how could we be worried you're gonna make it into a slishi? We tried saying it's maister, but we just saw the Mishnah's talking about Nagia, Nagiya, everyone's gonna agree that it can't become a slishi. So what's the Mishna talking about? Elon Rafapa, that's what our Papa said. Hokhabik, Yadaim Thilais Askinan. We were assuming so far that any Tumas Yadaim is always gonna be a shani. Says Riv Papa, a kidish, that we're talking about Hulin, that can only become a Rishan and a Shani. So I your hands are a shani, so it can't make the Hulin into a Shlishi. Yeah, but we're talking about Yodaiim that are Thilois, that are considered a Rishin. I didn't know such a thing exists. Because of Rashiman lazar, he's a Rishman bin alazer, the tanyo, ain't yodaim tchilois the hulin. That's the sheet of the tanakama. But Ribishiman ben a lazar, I'm shimmer mayor, yodaiim tchilas the hulin, ishnial truma. You can have a concept of yadaim that are gonna be considered a rish in the tumor. We're gonna see it in a second. It would be shayne for truma. Says the gumar, just hold on a second, based off that understand. It sounds like it could only be a rishon for chulin, and not for Truma. If it could be for Hulin, then of course it could be a Rishan for Truma. Say the Gamar, no, you're right. Hachikamar, Tchilois af Lechulin, even for Hulin, it could be a Rishan Ltoma. And Shneas Lutuma in Lehulin. It could be Shneas for Truma, yeah, but not for Hulin. But says the Gamaro, meek a Yadaim Tchilois. Is there such a concept, the chlal of Tumas yadaim, that's considered a Rishon Lutuma? We were assuming till now, rightfully so, that your Tumas Yadaim is always gonna be a Shani Lutuma. And therefore, could is there such a concept of Yadaim that's gonna be considered a Rishon? And therefore, that's your whole answer, that you're the Yodaim a Rishon, and you're touching the Hulin, which makes it into a Shani, which is possible by Hulin. Says the Gamara. And we actually do find the concept. That's uh by a nigga button we're talking about. So we're dealing with a Mitsai over here or the house, and you put your hands into the house of Bai Samanuga. So we know that if you go Kulay into the house, you become tame. Midar raisel. But if you don't go kuli into the house, you're not tame under the right level. But the Rabbanan said that you're gonna be tame if you put in your hands. So your daim tchilais of Rubakiva, or rather, Rubakiva says that your yadaim are going to be considered a reason in toma vach a kham in my rim. The kham says yodaim shneos. Your yadaim are gonna be tame on a to on a level, but it's gonna be shneas, it's not gonna be a rishan. So it's gonna be okay, what's this makh like it's the kuleama, be a baby's mabia? Both and rabbi agree that Biabbi Mikzas not going in fully into the house, you only put in your hands, it's not considered going in. And therefore, it's not on a darais level. On a Derezan level, you're not Tami Bukhla. They both agree that there's a Tumadara Banan over here because it's a Gzaira that you put in your hands, atu that you might come to put in your guf. So we're gazer on your hands, a tumadaraban. So what's the machlikus? The machlikus is how far do we go with Xer Dirabanan? Marsova Yodav kiggufa. The Rabbi Kiva holds that your hands are just like your guf, the shavinaraban. The abundant said, the abundant were geyser on the same level. So if you would have gone in, you would be a reisha nutumma. So when we're geyser on your hands on a Diraban level, we're gonna say that it's a Rish and Natumba. Okay, Mar Saban and the Khacham are gonna say that Yodim Keyodaim the Alma, Shavin Rabana. The abundant were geyser on your hands, they were geyser, key daim the Alma, just like your dayim the alma are always gonna be a shentoma. So too over here when you put in your hands is gonna be a shenilitum. But either way, what do we see? We see Urbakiva holds as a concept that Yodaim can be a Rishna Natum. Says the Gamara, okay. But I understand, why do we have to make it according to the Bashiman benazar and find the Sheita of Rubekiva? We just have a Sheita of Ribakiva over here, so why don't we say our Mishnah is actually Urbakiva? Vilukmar Karibakiva, Dhamma Yadav Thila Savion. Says a Gamara, Dilma kikaama Rukiva, how do you mean the Trumavakatra? Maybe Urba Kiva only said that that it could become a Rish Natum by Trumavakatram to Hamir, because it's more Hammer. Ah, but Hulin, like our Mishnah, Shneis Havin. Maybe we would hold that the max you could have by Yadaim is going to be Shneas. I don't understand. I could still tell you it's Sheeta Surba Kiva, even if the Yadaim are Shneas Litama over here. Why? Because we have to backtrack from one of the assumptions we were making until now. Because Dalshamin Len and Rabakivadam are sheniais and shleish behulin. Because we were only trying to find someone who holds that your daiim can be a risha, and why? Because we know because it can't be a shani, because your shaini, your yodaim are being metam is something else. And if your yodaim were sneey and litumma, then it can't be Mitham is something else by chulin. But sazigimar, Ribekiva actually doesn't hold that. Ribakiva holds that a shani can make a shlishuma, and therefore, what do I care that Ribakiva says your Yodaim are considered a shani lituma? Ribakiva also holds that it can make a shlishi baichulin. So very good, you're your daim or a shani, and you're touching uh the food over here, and it's gonna become a slishy. So says gmar, we know Ribikiva holds Shaney Slishibulin. It's not boy byim, that was that day, whereas I became the Nasi. They opened up at the base madrid, a lot of things happen, but Dar Shabika, Rabikiva Darshan on that day, the Hokli Khersuggaimer Gitma, it says Yitma, not Tame. So Tama Linamar Gitma. What does that teach me that Tame Achairim Limit al Kikar Shane show is a shlish bhulin? That's she to Sabakiva that a Shikar Shani, Shani Litoma, can even make a shlishy. So says the Gemara Dilma Hani Mili Bitoma the Raisa of the Drabon alloy. Maybe only said that by Toma the Raisa Drabon alloy. That's why we can't say it's Rakiva over here. And continue to start our sky.