Chulin 52

Daf Yomi

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Agetevah Shavuatov. We are on Hulindaf Nunba's and we're gonna start. We're gonna do something radical to not so radical, but three lines from the bottom of Nunbez and Ali. Just because if we don't, we're gonna be behind the whole week and might as well be ahead for the rest of the week. So Zok the Gemara Umarabba Barav Shila. Rabba Baravashila says it says the following in the name of Ram Masna in the name of Shmo. Umar Rabba Baravshila, Amara Masna, Omar Shmo. So we're coming off of a Gemara where we were discussing the Trefa in the Mishnah that was mentioned. Specifically, Nishtabru Roiv Tzalesel. We had a Mahikas in the previous Gemara. What the Trefa of Nishtabru Riv Tzalesel is, that most of the ribs were broken. We had a machlekis benzaka in Rabbi Akhan, specifically Benzakai held. Then it means Mamish Royv of or rather Raiv of one of the sides. Whereas Rabirchenan said even uh it has to be Riv of both of the sides, there's 22 main ribs that are the Ikarin, so it would have to be really uh it would have to be 12 of them, which is gonna be the Riv, but the Maisa, that was the Machlekis, but over here we have a third Shiita. We have Shmuel, and this is one what we're gonna need right now. Shmuel says three types of trefahs, and one of them, we're gonna see it's a third shietah within this trefa of the ribs being uh broken or uprooted. I in Alaska Marabar. Amar Abmarav Shalmar Ravmas Amar Shmuel, it all goes back to shmuel. Nechrotzelameikara, if the rib gets uprooted from its base. So it wasn't broken, the entire thing was just uprooted, it was uh taken out of place. Vigulgailish an echwisa, or uh skull that was crushed, it's a different trefa. Uh berubah, meaning most of it was crushed. Uh busra's reva karas berubay and the bus or the meat that's surrounding most of the karas, one of the stomachs, berubay. If something happens to most of it, we're gonna see in the Gemara what exactly happens to it. In all these cases, Trefa, it's gonna be a trefa. So the one thing we're gonna focus on first is what Schmuel said that necra telemeikara, even one rib that gets uprooted from its base is gonna be considered a trefa. I'll ask you a steed on that, I'll ask you a question. Because what Shmuel just say that even one, which is a third sheeta, by the way, because those first two sheethas we saw were either you need a rive of uh most of the most of the ribs on one side, most of them on both sides, but the mice says it's not only one. Over here you're saying only one, even without the julio, even without the vertebrae. We know the ribs come around, they're they come to the spinal cord and attach themselves, and they attach themselves to a julio, which is the the vertebrae. So we saw made enough camino. Whether it came out with the vertebrae or without the vertebrae, it's obviously much more severe if it uh is neckara along with the vertebrae. But what Schmul just said is neckarcel meikara, the only one rib gets uprooted from its base, even without a julio, even without its root vertebrae, it's still gonna be considered a trapasses. How much uh has to be missing on the spinal cord as it relates to a person for him not to be metame b mace? So the context here we saw this already is for Tomas Mace, for a person, a dead body. So a dead body of a human being that's uh Tame, Metamas Oyo. Um we know even uh right, yeah, specifically yuddin, right? Uh goim or mitame be magomasa, not oil, or there's uh there's there's some khumras, but kama chisar and meshedra when you have a human parts that can be mitame. There when you have human parts that can be mitame, um that can be mitame onto their own. So there has to be uh there has to be a size for them, as we know. So kama chisar and meshedra, how much has to be missing from the spinal cord for it to not be mitame be oyo? Rashi says, Veloitame be oil beloy basar, and it's not gonna be mitame on its own. I mean it's not gonna be considered its own entity to be mitame the oyo. So how much has to be missing? Bishame, I remember Shama says step. Two vertebrates of the spine has to be missing, and then it's not gonna be metame because it's not gonna be considered uh a full thing anymore. It's only one vertebrae that has to be missing for it not to be metame by oil. It says the name of Shmuel, Shmuel's the point over here. It comes back to Shmu'a that the kin the trefa. This same machlikus between Bishama and Basil is also as it relates to a trefa. It's the same exact thing. That what is considered a trefah, whether it's missing one khuyah or whether it's missing two khūyas. And we have shmuel saying over here that it's mahlikas bashama bishil. Whenever we have machlik's bashama bishil, we know that Allah in Alamaz is like base hilo. And therefore, shmuel's quoting bashil that's saying that missing one khulya is going to render it a trefah because Bechim la Trefa, the same machlik is gonna be a trepah the same way you argued uh as it relates to how much has to be missing for it not to be metamid, but oh yeah, Bahim the Trefa. That's gonna be the same you said as it relates to a trefa. That shmuel's saying bashilah holds missing one chhuya is gonna be a trefa. What's the question? The question is that Shmuel said before, nekritzelameikara trefa, as long as uh one rib was nekar, it was uprooted from its base even without the chulia, even without the vertebrae, it's gonna be a trefa. And over here he specifically says that it needs to be missing a chuya, and then it's gonna be a trefa, and says the gomara that ha talabalay chulia ha sam chulia bilai tela. It's two different cases. Over here we're talking about tsalabalay chuya, meaning over here where we started, where shmuel said that nekar tsalamali kar, if the root if the rib gets uprooted from its base, and he said it was a trefa, even if it didn't get uprooted, and the chuya was still there, even though even if the chuya was still there, that is talking about tsala bilai kuya. That's tzelabillay chulia without the chuya. But hassam, as it relates to over here where shmuel said the chemla trefa by the machikas between Besham and Bishila, that is chuyabalaitelah that he's talking about if the vertebrae, if you had a chulia uprooted without one of the ribs. Now that's possible, and one of the lower ones, uh where you uh the gummar is about to ask, right? Is that even possible? So it says I understand how you could have a rib that uprooted without uprooting the vertebrae. I understand. The rib gets uprooted in the vertebrae, which is next to the spine, that stays in place. But how do you have a case of the vertebrae? That's kind of the connector piece, right? So how do you have a case of a vertebrae that's uprooted while the rib is still in place? What do you mean? What is the rib connected to? So the gimmiccial. That's talking about lower down on the animal by the kidneys, that's not a place where there's not even ribs. So the spine keeps going all the way down. So you don't even need ribs over there and over there. You could have a chulia that's uprooted and out of place without a rib, because there's no ribs over there. And that is how you could have such a case, but it's not a question in Shmuel. Shmuel said both things. He said, first of all, uh, even one cell unto its own, that's neckar, even without the chulia, is gonna be rendered a trefa, which is arguing on the two previous sheetahs, Ben Zakain Ribichan, that we saw about Riv. What constitutes Raiv? Is it gonna be both sides or only one side of the rib? Shmuel says, one cellai, that's it, it's gonna be a trefa. Even without the chulia. Aye over here, he quoted Bishama Bishil and Mahlikas and said the same way we have machlikas about Toma, we have a machelikus about uh trefa that Mashmah Bishil holds even one vertebrae is missing, even one chulia it's gonna be a trefa. That's talking about chulia belitza. That's talking about chulia without itself, two different things. As a side note, Rabaishia asked on this. That belisnai gabi kule bishaamib. If Shmuel is right that what? Shmuel came along again. There was a machelikus between Bishama and Bishil as it relates to Thomas Oyo. How much has to be missing off of the spine for it not to be considered a shedra that's gonna be Mithame B oyo? Then no, that's not a shedra anymore, it's not gonna be metameba oyo. So Bishamay says two chuliyas, basil says one chulia. Right? So says the and said shmuel. Shmuel came along on the machelikus. Vichy in the trepah the same machleikis as relates to a trepah. Baishamay is gonna hold it's only gonna be a tref if it's missing two, and shmuel's gonna hold, and uh basil is gonna hold it's gonna be a trepah if it's missing one. Says the Gemara, if Shmuel's right that this machelikes is also as relates to Trefa, then then the M isn't kula Bishamah Bhumir Besol, then we should have counted it in the Mishnah and Ediya's as it relates to the Kulais of Beshamahai and the Khamer's Basil, because we know in general, the everyone knows Baishamay is always the Mahmir, and Baishil is always the Makel. There are very cer specific cases where it's the opposite and it gets flipped, and those cases are so specific and unique that there's actually a specific Mishnah in India that counts the Kule Bais Shamai and the Khamre Baishil. That wow, this is these are outliers because it's actually where Bishamay, who's usually the Mahmir, is Makel, and Baishilal is usually the Makel is gonna be Mahmeer. So says the Gemara, if this is true, this is one of the things and that we uh that really that if Shmuel's right that their machik is a thechin la trefa, then what comes out by the way? It comes out this is another case we didn't list in the mission over there, that's a kulah of Bishamahai and a Khumra Baisel. Why? Because if you're right, Shmuel, that we say the Khaimla Trefa, it comes out that according to Baishamay, when is the animal considered a trefa? Only when it's missing two vertebrates. Is that a kula or a khmra? It's a big kula, right? If it's missing one, it's not a it's not a trefa. You could eat it, scosh, no problem. Whereas Baisil is gonna tell you, even if it's missing one, it's gonna be a trefa, that's a chumrah. Even if it's missing one, it's a trefa, so we're tarfing your meat. Uh for uh for for even less. So says the gumara, this should have been if Schmuel's right that the Khainla Trefa qualifying that machlikus and applying it also to a trefa, then we should have listed this as one of the kulais of Baishama in the Khumrais of Basil. But the sniagame kule bishama says the gumara. I'll tell you why we didn't say it over there because the main the main is of that machlikus was lenient toma, as we saw. The machlikis between Bishama and Baiso was said by Tumah. As it relates to Toma Bayo. Over there, who's being machmir, it's Bishamah being Mahmir. And it's Baish being Maker, because as it relates to how much of it has to be Chasir to not be Mithame Ba'ayah, Baishamay says, uh Bishamah says you need two of it to be uh chasr. Meaning only if it's a lot missing, then it's not gonna be Mithame. Otherwise it's Tameh that's a Khomra. He's being more a Mahmeir. And that's he's staying with his uh general uh he's staying uh the way he usually goes, Bishamah. He's being Mahmer as it relates to Toma. We know Allah Sullawai we're gonna pass in like Baishamah. Not today, today we go with Baisal all the time. But says the says the Gemara, says Rav or Rava, depending on the gear cell. That why didn't we count it in the Mishra? Because the main machalikas of there was only said about Toma. You're right, Agav, we said that the Khain the Trefa, this also as it relates to Treyfa, this would be the same thing, Khadishab Shmu'a, but it wasn't the main you said, and that's why we didn't count it over there. Says the Yemara. So another thing that Shmu said is if you have a skull, that most of it is crushed. Which way are we talking about Roiv being crushed? Are we talking about the Gaiva, the the height of it, like the eyes and up from the skull? Or most of the hekif of it, the way around. The circumference of it says Gemara Teku. And on that we'll wait for Eliya Novi. And the aloh over here means we we're gonna go luchabra. Says the gemara, Ubasra Khayfe Royva Karas Barubay. The third trefa that Shmuel mentioned the number Alip was Basra Khafe Reba Karas Berubai. The meat that's surrounding most of the karas, one of the stomachs, barubai. If something happens to it, we're about to ask what, right? Something happens to it, barubai. Something happens to most of it. Soiv karua, Iberaiv Natal. So obviously something happened to most of this meat that's surrounding it. What happened? Most of it ripped, or most of it was was taken, was removed. Which one would renderate a trave? We should prove it from our Mishnah. Karasapanimisvah. The Karasapanimis, the inner stomach. Shinikva, it got a naked. Or most of the outside was ripped. That's the point over here. Most of the outside was ripped. We see Shinikra Roy. The Amni Mmaravam Smeid Rubia Sibrachina. And they said in Air Tiso on the name of Ruby Sebrachanina Kola Karas Kulay Zui Karasapanimi. The entire stomach that's called the Karasapanimi. What is the Karasahina? Basra Khaves Rebakaris. That's the Basrahaviz Rebakaris, which Mu was talking about before. So what do we see over here? Mikomakamid says that the Basar Khavis Rebakaris that we had from Ruby Sibrachanina explaining that is what we said a minute ago, Shanikra Rivachitaina, which would be considered a treva. So obviously we see the answer over here. What does it mean? It means shenikra royvachitaina. That answers your question. Not shenitaal. It doesn't have to be taken. Most of it has to be ripped, says the Gemara. That's not an answer. Because Midi U Taim El Shmua. Who are we trying to understand and saying this is Shmuel? Shmuel said this tree this uh Shmuel counted as Treva. And therefore, and therefore and Midi U Taim Al-Shmuel and Rib Yakimar and Nachmini Ammar Shmuel and Rem Yaakimar Nachmini said the name of Shmuel, then Makam Shainma Milas, he argues Bihlal what this is. So Shmu'a held that the Basar Khaifis Reba Keris is something else. He holds that it's the Makim Sha'in by Mila, something a place that doesn't have this type of fluffy, woolish type of thing. That's what Milas is. And therefore, since Shmuel held that Basar Khaibis Rebah Karis is Bahlaw something else, so you can't use Rab Yaisi Barchanina, where we brought a minute ago, explaining the Ma Rova Mishmeh Rabesi Barchanina, explaining that that's really the Kerasahitan is Bas Rachai. No, he holds the Bachla something else, Shmua. We just quote Rabi Marchmani omar Shmua. And if he holds something else, obviously that's not going to answer the question what Rabi's Bachanina brought to answer that Shmua holds that if it's ripped most of it, because clearly Shmua holds that this is the Klau talking about something else, and therefore we don't have an answer. We don't have an answer right now what Shmuel held as it relates to Rubay. Rubay Shenitaal or Rubai Shenikra, and we come off that again without an answer. It says Drusas has aai. Another trefa in the Mishnah was if a Z Ave, uh uh wolf, was Diris, and Dyris we saw specifically means clawed. He clawed an animal. Now we're gonna see in a minute, we're talking about we're gonna talk about what type of animal has to claw. But the what Hazar worried about, as it relates to this trefa, is when the animal claws, he lets out a certain aris, as the Rashi calls it. Aris, a certain type of poison. Whether that poison is uh some people explain it as uh infection, that it infects the animal and dies because uh you know it's very dirty, the nails or whatever it is, or it specifically emits a poison and ishtannu with heva, it's different today. Even in the Shokanarch brings down, we're gonna see Khatul in a minute, a cat. The Gemar is talking as if it has poison when it scratches something. So the Shokanarch brings the Yeshimrim, uh quoting earlier Ishain that uh that nowadays we're not necessarily chosen. What comes out of the Gemar, we're Hush when a cat attacks a chicken that it uh it had poison now and now it's gonna be considered a trafo. Nowadays, if a cat is in a pen with a bunch of chickens, we're not necessarily hush because today we see our cats don't have poison. So that's gonna be again the drew, what we need for this gemar is the fact that the nails we assume that a certain level of iris or poison or or infection or whatever it is uh comes out of these uh claws which causes the show. So is the eight. So as the ave uh clawed another animal, that's gonna be considered a trefa. So this is gema. Um rabi just in the name of Rabbi Behemah Minaza Ave Ulamala. As it relates to behama, so if a behema got clawed, by what type of animal now is it gonna be gonna consider it a trefa? Minaza ave ulamala from a wolf and up. What does up mean? Anything bigger, meaning anything bigger than a wolf. A wolf and up, meaning a lion, a bear, or anything like that. Any type of bigger animal that has an av is gonna render it a trefa by a behema. Uh by euphe, as it relates to eiphice, mean a nat ullamala, meaning another bird that's attacking it or clawed it, what type of bird mean a nates? A knate is a certain level of bird, ulamala, anything bigger than a knate that attacks a bird is also gonna render it a trefa. Lumutima, what is it coming to exclude? E lamentul. If you're gonna tell me it's coming to exclude a cat. Tanina, we learnt in the Mishnah Juus is the Ave. It said specifically as the Ave. It didn't say chatul, it said the Aves. Obviously, it's not talking about a cat. Says the Gemara the Khitim, well, Kamash Maland is a bigasa namidaris. Maybe, really, the Mishnah was just trying to tell me the Kamash Malon that that the A Begasa Namidars, that as a relative to a wolf as the Ave, that could even be Diris a Behemagasa, a bigger animal, and rendered a trefa. And really, as it relates to Khatul, maybe that would still be able to be Dairas a smaller animal, but not to exclude Khatul Ligamre. As Rashi says, the Khitemo, Y love the Rav, if not for the fact that Rav came along and specifically told us by Behemam as a evil amala, right? So a bidaka, the zeba fil bigasa nami darus. So why did we specifically say z'aiv? Because we're talking about a behemothasa. But a behemothaka, maybe a chatul would also be able to be darus. Maybe maybe a comash one is the eight bagasa nabi daris, as we just explained. Though it's not, we know that's not true because we learned in the Mishnah review Daymer. Drusas has the Av Bidaka. We specifically explained. Rabbi Huda came on to qualify and he said Drusas has the Av Bidaka. As it relates to Behemadaka, if a zae attacks it, then it's gonna be considered a dreza. Or Drusa's aribegasa. And as it relates to Behemoth, if a lion attacks it, then it's gonna be considered a uh Drisa that it's going to be a trefa. Says the Gamar Vahit him and Rabbiuda Miflek Balik. Maybe you're gonna tell me Rabihuda is a different cheetah. Meaning we had the Rabbanan that said Drusa says the Ave. And then we had Rabbi Huda that said no, the Ave by a Dakota and uh Ari Bhagasa, right? So we're assuming it's one cheetah. But says the gomar, maybe you're gonna tell me Rabbi's Miflek Pali, Rabbi Huda is arguing on the Chachamim and it's two different cheetahs. So maybe really within the Chachamim's world, then maybe that's what's going on. That is the Av is just by a Behemoth. But maybe a Khatul would be enough by a Behemothakah to also render it a trade. Or as we are gonna see in a minute, we need to change this to Rabbi Lazar, as Masar Shaz brings. But he says in the name of Rabbi Lazar, Rebuud al the Farish de Behakam. We know Rabbi Hudd was not arguing. Rabbi Hudd only came to be the Farish de Bihakam. The Kham said Jrusa sah the eyes, Rabbi Hudd qualified. What did the Rabbanan mean? He's not arguing. He said, What did the Rabana mean? And by Himugasa Anari, a larger animal. Okay, so what do we see over here? Specifically, Jusas are reb by a dakah, but not a khatul. Not a chatul bikla. We're not including. Says the Gemara, Gavra, Gavar Karamis. You're bringing a steer from person to person. What does that mean? Because we said in the name of Raf, right? And we just brought what? We just said, we just said the khitema. Maybe you're gonna explain it to me by saying that Rabihudah is arguing on the Khacham and the Khacham really hold that uh Za Av is only is gonna be good enough for a Gasa, but maybe less than that, maybe a Khatul would be enough for Audak, and it would still be considered a Drusus Khatul, says the Gemara, but we know Rabihud qualified that. But maybe Ribbihuda's arguing. No, Rabin Yaran Bar Yafis quoted Rabalazar, we said Rabila, Rabalazar, and said that uh he's not arguing, says the Gemar. Okay, but why is why is Rav Meshubat to Rabalazar to say that or not? Maybe Rav argues, and therefore Gavra Gava Karamas, you're bringing uh you're bringing a stair between two Amaran, and he doesn't have to agree with them and say, and therefore, say Rebelazar could say that they're agreeing, whereas Rav could say they're arguing, and really it's coming to include that even a Khatul, um even a Khatul is gonna be able to be considered a Drisa, as uh Rav explains over here. Gavaragava Kamara Karamas. Rav Rash says specifically, the Rebelazar aderav, Ribelezar. You know, we changed Rebelazar. How do you bring Rebelazar a Rav? The Rafa Rebuh the Polyg. Rav holds a Rabbiud is arguing, but Tanakhama what the Tanakhama hold a filubigasa gamar. Then even as relates to Behemagasa, uh Zah is gonna be good. It's true. So I need Rav now. And that's why we had to spell it out because maybe Rav is gonna say that they're arguing, and that's why we needed to say this khidish within the Tanakhama. Says the Gmar Ibaitema, another way to explain is the exact opposite that really it's coming to exclude Al Khatul because Maudatema. I would have thought that Orkhad Mil that the only reason I said Za'ai specifically in the Mishnah was not uh well the only reason I said Za'ai in the Mishnah was because that's Archadamelsa. That's usually what happens. A Za'ai is the type of animal to be direous, and that's why I said it. But really, in a kanami, also a cat is included, and a dreesas chatul would be considered a drisa, kamashmalan. That's why I need it to be Limuute Khatul to tell me specifically that only a Za'ai, and not a Khatul, because again I would have thought Urkhadamelsa not Kamash Malan, not it's specific, it's Dafra, and it's excluding a cat. Umr Riv Amram Amr of Khizdah. Drusa's chatul, unamiya, the ghidimitlim. The drisa of a chatul, a cat, unamiya, another type of animal, the ghidimitlim. So they can be diris, ghidim, goats, and thlim, lambs, smaller type of animals, and it's gonna be considered a drea that if they uh claw them, they're gonna be considered trefas. Drusa's huldah, the oifus. As it relates to a weasel, a weasel can be durus eifus, birds. As it relates to the drisa that a chatul, a native, this type of bird, unamiya does, ad chetinokiv, the halal. It's only gonna be considered a drisa, ad chetinokiv the halal. When they make a nekiv to the halal of the animal, not just clawing them that we're worried about the poison, whatever it is that the khajman is. No, they have to claw them, and the problem is that they make actual neqev to the halal, the whole straight through. That's the problem. What does that imply? For regular drisa, as it relates to regular clawing, it sounds like they're not able to do, and they're not gonna render the animal trayful by a regular clawing. Says Marvatisbra, you think that's a question? Nates loy daris. Really? You're gonna have a havamina that a nates. This type of bird is not duris. Well, it's not it was in my first Mishnah, wasn't our Mishnah. Hanates says, so I'll explain it to you, it's not a kasha, can't be oifice, can't be gidimethly. One's talking about euphois, and nat's is able to be diris other eifhois, can't be ghidim of time. Over here we're talking about ghidimethlim. Uh Nates is not able to claw and be diris gideimith lime. However, if it goes through and makes a neck of straight to the halal, that's gonna be a different issue. It's still the kash and of chizdo, why? Because Rchizdah said before that a chatul and an emiyyo can be diris goats and lambs, right? Uh he said uh Ghidimutlaim. Whereas the Braissa we brought said that not really. They can't be, unless they're neck naikivala halal, but regular dresa they can't. So it's a kashan of chizdah, says the gemarrahu de omarkiya. He says like the following Tana Tanya, we have a braisa, Beribi Oimer. Baribi says Baribi is either the name of uh or a baribi is really the name of the godar. It's like a shame of covet for the godar. We only said that there's no dresa for like a chatul. Again, for these type of animal, chatul, nimiyah. We only said that they don't have dresa, elaborum shain matzilam, where they're chasing an animal and there's no one trying to save that animal. Nothing's trying to save that animal. But if you have another animal trying to save that animal or a person trying to save that other animal, Abba Makam Shay Sh Matilim, when you have something trying to save the prey, then yeah. Then we're gonna say that if it's darus, it scratches it, then there is drisa. Why? The Hajjman is, as Rashi explains, because if someone's trying to save it, then when the animal claws the prey and emits Someone else trying to save that thing, it's more cruel and it's more gruesome, and the arse is stronger. And since it's uh it's fighting if it's fighting more because something something's uh you know, guy it's got more coming against it with someone else trying to trying to save, and therefore when it's darkest, it's darus with more cruelty, hard even harder, even uh more intense. And that's why we're gonna say that it's for sure an intense type of iris, and it's gonna be it's gonna be considered uh drisa. So again, he's gonna say like the following tunnel, but Ribi I'm in Disa and the Makam Shane Matsilum. Where do we say that there's no dreesa's relates to an emiya? That's where there's no matzilum, nothing trying to save, it doesn't go as hard. But where there is matzilam, something trying to save the prey, and it's directed, then yes, drisa, then it's gonna be considered a drisa because it's more intense. I was like, wow, macham shay, matsilum and drisa, really in a place where there's nothing trying to save the animal. Then if a cat or an emiyya attacks it, it's not intense enough to be considered a drisa in drisa, the a he tarnigoil, so it's a kasha from a mice uh there was the tarnigoil's dababi of Kahana that was in the house of Rafkana. They wrote Khatubasra, there was a chicken, and the cat was chasing the chicken in Rafkana's house. The Ali draina, and the chicken runs into a room, and slammed the door behind it on the chicken. The Mr. Shah says, right? It happened by itself. Um specifically. It happened by like the door happened to shut before the cat. Um machiledoshi bis uh bissihufe, and the cat like slams into the door and scratch or scratch the door with his paw, besihufe is like his paw. The ishtakal hamirtidano. And we found on the door, they found they saw on the door after five drops of blood where the paw was, and we're assuming right now that those five drops of paw uh of blood were was the heiress, the this type of poison or however you want to explain it, coming out of the cat. And therefore, we see that there was nothing trying to save this uh chicken. Dafgar of Ghana wasn't trying to save the chicken, and therefore, still there was ars that was coming out of the cat. So why are you telling me Memakam Shain Matsilim? It's not gonna be considered a drees. Over here, there was no matzilim, nothing was trying to save it. Door happened to close behind it, and uh we saw the ars come out of the cat, so we see that there is dresa even when there's no matzilim. So Gemara, heatza atmanami, hatzala atzmanami, keatzal sachhirim Dami. I'll tell you why. When it's trying, when it's saving itself, that's considered a tzal sahiram as well. It's very push. When it's fighting back or it's uh mamish trying to save itself hard, then obviously the animal's gonna go more intense and you have the same spar. It's the same thing as a tzala sachiram, so it is gonna be considered a drisa. Say the gumara the rabbanan. What about the rabbanan? The rabbanan who said that there's no drusa's chatul, even when it is angry, even when, even when it's mamish angry and there's maxilim, it's still not gonna be considered a drisa by the Khatuls. What is the Rabban gonna say? The Rabbanan are gonna say that zeirah, ziera islay, Vila Kali Ziarah. They're gonna say that yeah, you saw drops of blood because it does have a certain level of eris. It doesn't have it does have a certain level of the of ziera with this eris. But Vilay Kali Zirah, but it's not as strong. It's not like burning, Kali is burning. It's not burning eris enough to get enough to consider it a trefa. So yeah, it has some level, but it's not gonna be enough to consider it a drefa that would render the animal trefa, and that's why they hold across the board that Drusa's chatol is an adjusta. So, ikidamri, some have it the other way. Same khajbin, just different name. Ha money burribi, this is really cheetahs baribi. Titanyo we have a bright subiambi himself said. Loy omri a dream alum Shay Matsuim. I'm making shaymatam in Drisa because it doesn't go as intense. So, what's the question? We see that no one was trying to save it and still came out air. When it's saving itself, that's the same thing as saving uh others saving it, and therefore it's gonna be, it's still gonna be considered drisos. This question we're trying to handle right now. Is there considered drusa for chatul or not? Says the Gemar. So Amala answer the back. Aflachulyish Druso. You're asking me about a cat, but even a weasel has drusa. Even a weasel that attacks is gonna be considered drisa. He asked him again, Yes Drusal the Huldah and Jusal the Huda. Does a weasel have or not? So it sounds a little redundant. You just told him that it does, right? Aflachhuliash. Okay, does a huldah? I just said it does. These are different times. All these questions happen at different times, so they're kind of unrelated to each other, and that's why it's not you can't ask from one or the other, it's not really a question. You can ask, we're gonna see. They seem to be a steer into each other. And what he answered, the answer is a different Allah each time. But the questions, if they were coming back uh, you know, back to back, you would be like, what's going on? He just answered that question. That's why uh Tyson has to explain that it's really talking about different times, and we're gonna answer the steering a minute between the as it relates to the answers of these questions. But either way, three questions. He asked him, Yeshjruzlahto, injur'tol. Amalai, Rab answered a mack. Again, the sort of kahana asking Rah. He answered the back, Abla Khuldi Yesh Drusah. You're asking me about a cat, even a weasel smaller, has drusa. Yes, Dr. Huldah, and Drus of the Huldah another time he asked him, Does a Hulda have drusa or not? Amalai answered a Mac, Aflachatul and Drusa. The opposite. Even a cat doesn't have drusa. Another time he asked him. What about a cat and a chulda this time? Yes, or ain't lambdrusa. The hulda and drush. Says the Gemara. Willai Kasha, right? We don't even ask the question because it's a very obvious question. Each one is a stir unto its own because each answer is different. When did he say that even if Isla has druso, but Ifus? That's related to Ifus. If a hulda attacks an eif, then even a hulda, and everything up, right? Ulamala, as the Gemara said before. Even a hulda has drush if they're doirus eifus. Hold on aflachul and drusa. This is the polar opposite, right? Where he said aflachul even for a cat doesn't have drusa. That's talking about the Imri Viravervi with very big sheep. For very big sheep, even a cat is not going to be considered uh be Doris. Hold on a chatul yeshru. So that easy was uh he had this psara down the middle that lachul yeshtrusa the holday ain't drus, so that as relates to a cat it is durus. As relates to a chatul, as it relates to a holda, it's not durus, that's the Ghidem it's loyal. That's as it relates to Gideim Utzloyim, these in between animals, the sheep and goats, but not ravery. Alright, not big ones. That's a chatul is gonna have, and the hulda is not gonna have, and we can hold it over here.