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Daf Yomi with Aaron Cohen
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Daf Yomi with Aaron Cohen
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Today's cool enough, Kufjud Baze. We're gonna start by the first wide line on Kufjud Aliph Amud Baze with the sugiya new sugi over here. Itma, we'll start over. Dogim sha'labikaara. Dogim, you have fish. That were alabakar, you put on a plate. Fish on a plate, what are we talking about? Zak Tarashi. Minat sli. Sha'alubakar Minat's Lee meaning dogim, these fish are toasty. They are. Shoyu roystin. They are reh, they are boiling right now. And they came right off the grill. So you put it on a flaśik plate. On a plate that had bliis of basar. And you take this hot fish and you put it on. What naturally happens? The blius of basar from the plate go into the fish because the fish is hot. So you have hot fish on a flaashik plate. So what happens? Rav omar asadakh and mkutach. Can you take that fish now and eat it with kutak? This dairy meal, not if you're Swardy, right? Unless uh you don't know how you hold the machabra made uh it was a toe safer, really, and it wasn't actually a thing. But the point is, what?
SPEAKER_02Ryan Swarth.
SPEAKER_00Happens to be most things you'll find in the Gemar's Rai against Ashkenazim. You found one thing. But the one thing that's a toe cipher, and it's not actually a thing. But it was said over Kaha. It was said over that uh the machelikas Rav and Shmu, can you take this fish that has bliis of meat and can you eat it with can you eat the fish along with the along with the kutak? Kutah is Khazal's classic example of something that's milkics. So Ravamar Osunakan Kutah, Bishmoolam or Mutunakutah, Ravamar Osl, Osr Noisintamu, because in the end of the day, it's nice and tam. It's not bar nats. It's nice in tam bar nice and tam. When is nice in time a problem? That's when it's direct. When it's indirect, it's one step removed. It's nice and tam bar noisy in time. It's not nice and time itself. It's something that was nice and tam that touched something that was nice and tam. It's nice and time, bar nice and time. Why? Because over here the buster touched the keara, that's one, and then the keara touched the fish, and now you're taking the fish and putting it with the kutak. That's very s well, that's very nice and tam, bar nice and tam over here. Uh buster to the ka'ara, the qara to the dogim, and the dogim to the the khutak, and that's why shmu'al is gonna say it's muttar over here because Nat Barnat is going to be mutter according to Shmuel. So that's the Gemara, the Rav. And this that Rav that we said that he holds Nat Barnat is Usr, that the Razr Allah Baferish Itmar. He didn't say that Baferish. He never said Bafirish that Natmarat is Usr Al Mikhala. He said it Michlala, meaning he didn't say it, but the Talmindim learnt it. Michal, they implied it, they inferred it from a Maisa Shahaya with Rav. What was this Maeshayyah? The Rav, Ikla Bei Ravshimi Bachya Barbary. Rav came to his grandson, Ravashim Bachya's house. And Khoshbayna Rav had uh his eyes were hurting him. So Abdullah Shayfa Bitza, so they made him some type of concoction, these herbs in a bitzah Rashad says as a plate. So they made him uh herbs in this plate. And Basra Ahi afterwards he sat down to eat and he used the same plate that had those herbs, that concoction. He used that plate to eat. Ramalai Bishula, Begaba they put some uh some dish into that plate. And Tomla Taima the Shaifa and Rav, when he was eating that dish, whatever was cooked up for him, he tasted those herbs that were on the plate originally. So the herbs were on the plate. They got they they he finished it or whatever it was, then he used it for his dinner, and he tasted that those herbs. So Omar he said, he commented, Yov Taima Kule Hai. He tie he commented that wow, it gives such uh taste to this. So Rat Rash, yeah. So how do we see from here? What was the Itmar? They inferred it's from something that Ralph says. So something might show you that happened with the house. Just from these four words that Ralph said, Makulayhai. Rashid says, Raman the Shama, someone that heard it suffered the Isli Rav Nasinas Tam R Nasina's Tam, Nami Ba'alma. He holds that. Uh someone that heard this thought that that's because Rav holds of Natvar Nat. He's commenting on this to show us that he holds Natvar Nath. Because look, this is nice and Tom, even though it was there before. The herbs touched the plate, and the plate touched the plate at the Blias, and then the plate touched the dinner that he had. So that's nice and Tom. That's but Nat Bernath. And someone who heard that, by the way, very much works with Rav. If you know who Rav was. Rav was a big Shaskin. Rav never said an extra word. It was one of the one of the great things about Rav the Gemara says that he never said an extra word. All you'll you'll find all the time Shasik Rav. Rav was always quiet. You'll find Rav never said an extra word. All of a sudden, Rav's commenting here. Yo, if time, those are four extra words from Rav. And that's why Michlala Itma at kidkahu neeta alakha from Rav. I think it very much fits. But either way, that that uh in general, Tamidikhaham Aphilu Su Sikashulin shall Tamidekhaim Tsuchin Talmud. But Rav specifically, who is Rav always uh, and there's a lot of memories with Rav also. Rav was all the one always the one saying that uh Rav could have said that actually. Tomi Sikh's whatever it was always you'll find always with Rav, he was always uh he was always a big shot skin. He wasn't saying any extra words. So says the Gemara, the fact that Rav held Nat Banat Asar wasn't be fair, it's my Michal, it's where was it Michal? It's Mar from this story that happened. So the Gmar, it's actually not true because you can't compare that case. Because Shani Hasam, I could just tell you over there it was different because Tomlai Taima, sorry, Shani Hassam did not finish Mirarat Fey because these herbs were very sharp. If they were very sharp, maybe that's over there. Rav held Nat Panat can apply because it's something like an onion. An onion is very sharp, but has a different place in Allah. Whereas the Alma Lav tafka. Says the Gamar Rabalazar Havakkoim Kameh the Mashmuel. Rabalazar was by, he was before Mashmua. And I say come dogims alabakara. They brought before him dogims alabekara. Vikha alqabkutah. He was eating the dogim shalim shalabika'ara. Hot fish that was put on a flacey plate, so it got the blis. And he ate it with kutah. That fish that had the blizzard of Basr, he was eating it with kutah, which is milkings. So that was the that was what we opened up with. So Yob Levalayachal, he and he was eating that. Vikalakal. Shmuah was eating that. Shmua holds that it's mutter. Natpranatha is not as r it's mutter according to Shmuel. So Shmuel, the Ka' Akhali was eating it. And Yov Levalayah gave it to R Blazer and Ablazar wasn't eating it. So Amalai told him, the Rabakh Yehiveleva Akal. The Athli Akhla is, I gave it to your Rabbi Rav and he ate it. And you're not eating it? So Rab Lazar was taken aback. He said, Really? Also made the Rabbi came to his Rebbi Rav, and Amalai told him, How do we marbish might say, Rav is the one that said before Nat Branatha's Asir? So what do you mean, Shmuel's saying that he gave it to Rav and Rav ate it? Really? Rav, you ate it? You don't hold of your Sheetah anymore? So Amalai answered back Rabalazar. Hasleil Zari the Abba Bar Ababa Delisville Midi Delisfili. Chasli Lazar is Haslei is Chas Vishalam. Chasvishalam for the son of Ababarabba. Who's Aba Baraba? That's Abuh the Shmuel, the father of Shmuel. Abud the Shmuel. So Aba Baraba, Zari da Aba Baraba is Shmuel himself. So Chats Vishal that Shmuel should feed me something that I don't hold of. This is a big question. If someone that holds something is mutter, but someone else holds there, Usr, can you give it to him? You hold its mutter. And then the day, but he holds its usur, he's a more Mahmer. So Shmuel said, wait, you have to know what happened over here. Did he actually give it to him? Did he not? Shmuel said that he did. Rav said Chas Vashalmi would do such a thing. So what actually happened, I'm not sure. Huh?
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SPEAKER_00You could? I don't know.
SPEAKER_02I looked into it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah? Without telling him?
SPEAKER_02No, what's he telling us?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00Okay, but what if it's a if it's a humra, I don't think so. If it's a humra you holds.
SPEAKER_02I mean you you hold the rabanut.
SPEAKER_00And he comes in and he holds only Ada.
SPEAKER_02Shokhanara. I think if it's a legitimate shita that already holds a legitimate shit, you don't hold it.
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SPEAKER_00I don't know, uh in general I've heard the opposite. I never like looked at it as much.
SPEAKER_02I don't actually request that. If you call the mouth button and you know that guy's mocking out the mouth button, you're lower mock with me and not saying you're also changing your health video.
SPEAKER_00If you know that he doesn't iser.
unknownNot giving mock with not eating mock with a comrade, it's not the real tree. Stephen's an iser, yeah. Okay, you're not gonna be sort of eating in your house, like it's different, sir.
SPEAKER_00Oh yeah, I'm at the uh I hear Yish Lion. Okay, don't eat it at his house. No, I'm trying to. Okay. So uh so he said Chatswish, but over here, you have to know what happened. I'm saying Rav's Shmu saying I fed it to Rav, and Rav saying Chaswish Halmi would feed me such a thing. So what yeah, maybe then right here. Okay, Rahuna Rahibara. They were sitting together Chad the Hai Gisa demar. One is on one side of the river in Surah. The Chad the High Gisa de Mavra, one was on the other side of the river. The mar isolated dogim shalbikara. So they were each doing something controversial, each one on the other side of the river, and they saw each other. One of them was eating Dagum Sha'alu Bakar the Achal B Kutah. He was eating it together with Kuta Kutah, Nat Barnaat, Lemara Isilainiman of Another one was eating these uh fruits. Beside Khastuda, and he was eating it after he washed. So he washed on bread. He was eating in the middle of a sudha. He didn't say a separate bracha on the Zayimanovim, on the Ta'inimanovim on figs and grapes. He didn't say a separate bracha. Yasma is a yasim, but yasim over here specifically means rash, he says blood das. You don't have any das. Yasma. Alvid Rabba Haki, does your rabbi do such a thing? So Ma'ram al Khavri, Yasma, Alvid Rabba Hih, does your Rebbe does do such a thing? Uh you're supposed to make a bracha separately on uh on grapes that you bring to the table even in the middle of a sudo. You have to make a separate bracha. So Amalila Khavre. So Maram alilah anakashmuzra. He answered the back. I hold like Shmuel that holds not varnat's mutter. So dog him sha'llubiqahara dogim that have blias of butter of Malati e with kutak. It's not varnat, I hold like shmuel. Marlila Kabri, the one that was eating grapes and figs in the middle of the Suda, and he didn't say a separate bracha. He told him, I'm not kidding. I hold like a bhichyah, who actually holds a Jatani Bhiqhya, Pas Peter's Komine Machal, the Yan Peter's Komine Mashkin, but specifically, Pas Peter's Komin Mach is Liraboys, even Tainavanavim, even if you bring uh figs and grapes in the middle of your meal. Although we know that alocha generally is you're supposed to make it a separate bracha, and he holds like a phiya that depends how you hold. But he holds like a bhiyah that says that it's actually poetry, it passes poetry, and you don't make a separate bracha. Omar, Michael. Not bar, not is motor. No, it's not if it's removed enough. The dogim of the blizz of the busr. By the way, I didn't see, I didn't like check into it at all, but the dogim blias of busur, I'm saying that's that that in itself is uh should uh should make a big problem. It's everyone holds, that's not a tall cipher. That everyone holds of uh and it's a sacono. What?
SPEAKER_01There's no problem clean a pot meaning uh bang young way pa, as long as it's clean, there's no problem. It's nice in time. That's nice and tam.
SPEAKER_00What? No, but we're saying a case where it's nice and tan. Our case is nice and tan.
SPEAKER_01No, it's not it's it's not varnat, it's not nice and tam.
SPEAKER_00No, it's nice in time. Once it gets to the the kuttak, it's not varnat. The fish itself is nice and tam.
SPEAKER_02We don't care about blaze, because it's all four more than that. Okay, that could be an answer.
SPEAKER_00But in general, in general, even though we say bitl, I think the Ramah brings us even though we say bitl by by fish and meat, there's no beto bakla. There's no bikel, beto bikl.
SPEAKER_02It's Rama, because Kamir's sakanta me isura. First thing over there is cachuma.
SPEAKER_01There's no belias on fish. So obviously, if you cook anything, no cook on a place of pot. That's clean, right? There's no belias on a pot. It's a belly.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so that that that that could be the answer over here. The blizzard is not something we hold. But but in general, even bitto there's the I feel the bell if there's not both.
SPEAKER_01Holding like physical. Well, there's no bang with over here instead of the other.
SPEAKER_00No, but uh, but again, over here we're talking about something that that does. I don't know. Okay. Yeah, Viter. Either way, he told them Document al Bakar, Mutalach Makutah, what's up? That it is the riot. That is Mutterai, I guess so. This would be a big ride. That's uh fine. Snoin Shechotchakin Shochotabasar. What if you cut tsnoin, which is more of a sharp vegetable like an onion we saw yesterday, or radish, whatever it is, you cut it with a flaishic knife, sakin shachot achba basar, asrelekh and b kutach, that you're not allowed to eat with kutak. That already retains it. More of a honey milit's, and that's only true about snoin. Why, like I just said, the ag of hurfey balah. Because of its sharpness, it's very uh whatever you call it, spicy, not spicy, but sharp. It's like an onion or radish. So because it's uh uh because it's sharp, bala, it's baile the meat. Ah well, keys, but if you have something not sharp, like squash, gorir, lubaski da acha, you just have to uh wipe it off a little bit, peel off a piece, and you're gonna be good to go. Raj does misukahi. It's more mozic, it's not uh it's not charif. And the eina nivla basaiche elashamnunis soft me oimeramaka machatah, hilcha, gori lubaski, you just have to peel it off a little bit, you'll be good to go. Kilchi the lifta. What about stalks of turnips? So sorry, that's okay if cut again. We're talking about the same case. If it's cut with a flashig knife, the silka, if it's uh selek, which is uh beets, if it's if it's beats, that's gonna be ostra, because I guess that's a little sharper. But if you did both at the same time, beats and lifta, then shop your dummy, then since you have both in this equation, then it's gonna be good to know go, and that is the sugya of Nat Barnat. Fastest anyone's ever learned this. So of Dimi Mira Nachman or of Dimiasrun Nachwell. Can I put the the cod of salt next to the kad of kamcha? Kamcha was like kutak. It was the dairy dish. So are you supposed to can we can we put the the the salt dish next to the dairy dish? What's the question? The question was it wasn't really salt shakers that they had, it was a dish, and you stick your hands in, you're cooking with meat, and you're uh then your kutak is right next to it, it's gonna get mixed up into the milk, it's gonna be a problem. Um Rashi says, Kutah meat and shema yi pomina kutak bamelak. Aren't we worried that some of the kutach, this dairy dish, is gonna fall into the salt. The ulla yada viem the yemchumenu kidar's boss and you're gonna use it for your meat. So are we worried about that or not? So Amalai, also you're not allowed to keep it next to each other because this is a this is something to worry about. The cholamai. What about vinegar? Can you keep your uh can of vinegar next to your kutak? So Malay told him, Sharry, that's gonna be okay. What's the difference? If it falls in and we're worried about it falling in, it's gonna fall in. So he told him back, L'hitehall la kura de milcha. I'll tell you the answer when you do something for me, is that saying he used to say over Nachmar. When when you uh measure for me a kur of of salt, I'll tell you the answer. So he said, so the Gemara says, okay, tahwas my time. What's the reason? What's the difference? The answer is very simple. In the khalin the vinegar, if kutak falls in, it's not gonna be be'ne, but in the salt, ise isuribe, you could still see it over there. Something falls in, it's mamesh been, you could see the milk eggs that's over there. And if you use this for meat, it's gonna be a problem. Whereas again, if it falls into vinegar, vinegar is gonna be mevatal more, whatever the case is. You know, two-way traffic over here. And therefore, it's not going to be a problem. There was a pigeon. So there's this pigeon, it was already shafted, and it fell into a kutav. So sharibchina bread. Who would be so wise to matter such a thing if not for the fact that we had Ribchinna Bere Mi Pashrino? Meaning he's a genius for being mattered this. Why? Because you would think it's usur. Because Kesavar, Kiyomashmo Miliah Hareo Keraseh, Hanimilehecha de Inenecho Machmas Milcha. Because what would why would you assume it's usur? You would assume it's usar because kutak is very salty. That's the point over here. Kutah is a very salty dish. And we know that Allah we learned yesterday, Miliah Hareu Keraseah, that's something that's salted is the same din as if it's reseah, that it's gonna be mitzy and taken uh in and out the bliyas. And therefore, and therefore you have this pigeon that falls into this salty dish, there's gonna be blias all over the place. So, so that's what you would assume. But says Rubba, Rubba commented on this that he's a genius for being mouth to this because why? Because Hanimili, when did Shmuel say that you have to limit this case? That's it's so salty that you can't eat this dish because it's so salty. The whole point is that it's kutak. You're supposed to eat it that way. It's a salty dish. That's how people eat it, and that's why. In this case, it's not gonna be a problem. And you have to clarify that. That's only true if it's if this pigeon was still raw, abul t sli. But if it was roasted already, then makorepa. If this pigeon was roasted already, then boy klipa, then you have to peel off. It needs the klipa, you have to peel off the uh you have to peel off the uh outside of it. The isbe peely, and if it has cracks in it, it has ways to go, and then kuliasar. The entire thing is gonna be asar, vi'em mitbal, bitanlin kuleyasar. Also, if it was already if it was already uh seasoned with uh all types of spices, then it also the entire thing is gonna be as we saw yesterday said this idea because it becomes softer, it becomes softer, then it is boilaya more. Umar ibn nahm, said Amar Smoon, the name is you had a piece of bread and you cut a piece of basar, a piece of meat on that bread, so this busar we're talking about was not, it didn't have malicha done to it. So we know not every time it needs malicha, but sometimes they did like they roasted it instead of melecha, which also took out the dumb. But roasting it takes out less of the dumb and it doesn't do as good of a job as malicha, whatever the case is, and therefore you still have to be worried about the dumb. And again, you have to remember, dham is only a problem once it leaves the busr. If it leaves the bus or goes into something else, it's a problem. If it leaves the buser on its own, it's a problem. If it leaves the buser, it goes back into the busser, it's a problem. As soon as it leaves, it's a problem. So R. Nachman said, what if you have a piece of meat, a piece of bread, and you cut meat that was roasted specifically. We're gonna see that before Malicha, and Malif was not done to it. This piece of meat was roasted, and you cut the roasted piece of meat on top of the piece of bread. Usrda ikla, you're not allowed to eat that kikar. Why? Because we have to be worried that when you're cutting this roasted piece of meat, the dam came out of the meat into the bread. This bread is full of blood, and it's gonna be al-sriti. And that's only true the asmik, where it's very red. It's like a thick red, and you can see that it's full of blood over here, this piece of bread. Vahani meaning the avre, it's only true if its mom is soaked through and through that you could see on both sides of the kiker the bread, the red. Vahani meaning the asmachair, it's only true if it's thick red that you see. Abu Klishta less lundba, but if it's more of a light type of red, then it's gonna be okay. Shmuel Shadi Lin the Kalvei. Shmuel used to take this piece of bread. If uh someone would cut it on top of a piece of bread, then you have this matzif and used to throw it to the dogs. Rifuna yabla in the shamar. Huna used to give it to his uh gabble. So says the gumara, really? You give it to his gable? What's going on here? Man of Shahis, shared the Kuliama Shari. If it's mutter, then the Kuliama Mutr. Usr, the Kuliyama Usr. If it's Usr, it's also Usr very his gabble. What's going on? He's giving it to his gable. Says the Gemara, I'll tell you, really, Rifuna held that it's absolutely mutr. But Shani Ravuna danina diet. Rafuna's different because he is uh more of an Istinist and he didn't want to eat such a thing, but it was more of a more of a pachachy thing than an actual halakic thing that he didn't want to eat. Says the Kamara. Rubba Ochale, Vikari Le Kamar Basa. Rava used to eat this, not only that, he held this was the chosh of a bread. He used to call it hamar basar. This is the wine of meat. This uh bread with the wine with uh reddish bread, this was the wine of meat. That's what Rava felt about it. Um Ravnachunamershmoor. You're not allowed to put a klee under the basar. So we saw yesterday the doogie, right? What was it? The baydugi. So we saw yesterday the baydugi, which is this thing in the bottom, the klee that accepted all the juices, all the fats, everything pouring out of the meat. And you would use that for your dish. So Rivnach and send the name of Shmuel, but that you can't put this baydugi, this klee under the busar to accept what's coming out of it, to catch it, and to use it, Adamara Dumumashabai, until all the red from the meat is gone. Meaning if it's not red anymore, you have to know what that means. I mean it says the Gamar's about semi nayadin. How do you know the meat's always red, right? So when it's not so red anymore, then you're gonna be able to use whatever juice you've got. But before that, you have to be chosen that maybe it's dumb. Says the gumar marzutra, so says the grammar dinner. How do we know when it's not red enough? It seems meat's always gonna be red, no? So Marzutra, Mishmeh the Rapap, Amar Mishatala Tim Raso. You want to know when, once it starts smoking, once this piece starts smoking up, then you know that the blood is gone and you're gonna be able to start using it. Mascular, what do you mean? Maybe the bottom of it is already smoking up, but the top of it still has blood in it, and the top of it is not uh smoking up, but it's just because you see smoke may chat. It says in the gym, that's where Ravashi says, Les Le Takanto, Ella Mishtaba Tarti Galilei mil. But there's really no takana except for the following. You put two grains of salt. What's the point of salt? You put two grains of salt in the baydubi over there because salt, the same thing in malicha. The salt absorbs all the blood. So you put salt in the baydugi, in the clea over there, and it's going to absorb all the blood. And then you remove the fats, whatever you do want from the clee that except you remove it from the top, the salt on the bottom is gonna get all the blood, and that is your way out. What are we talking about? Shmo said two things just now. Did Shmu really say, Rashi says, after all the red leaves, it's going to be mutter. Did Shmool really say such a thing? But Amr Schmo, didn't Shmo say, Kikar Shechakhla basrlah, if you have a piece of bread that you cut busr on top of it, you're not allowed to eat it, bikhal. And what's the question? The question is it sounds much more Hummer because Rashi says the high busar in that case of the piece of bread, Rashi, we saw Namad Alif, that busr is Kra Nitzla, it's already roasted. So we're talking about a roasted piece of bread and a roasted piece of meat already, and you have a problem over there. Shmuel said it's a problem as so it sounds like he's more makmir than just a case of just a case of uh of the fact that you're allowed to eat the piece of meat as soon as uh as soon as it's not red anymore, as Malatim Rosla as we saw together is. So, the Shmu really says such a thing. I thought he's much more machmir. And so the Kamar Saniasam no, it's different over there. You're right, he's more machmir over there. Why? Because you're cutting a piece of meat on top of bread. When you're cutting it, the agav duchka disakina polit. Because you're cutting it, you're pressing down with the knife, that much more causes the blood to be pilot out of the piece of meat. But in a regular case of uh regular piece of meat that you're not necessarily cutting onto something onto bread that's being mikablada dam, that you wouldn't necessarily have a problem. And thegether is gonna be more before that thegether is gonna be a chihle kol marat mumish shabai, which we saw before, either taleb timrash or uh you're right, you don't have a tacano, you have to put some salt in the bottom to be mikabo, and you could take the top layer out of that, and the next tomara goes into tomara's top. Hold it over here, get shabad.