We Watch TV Episode 131 – Valentine’s Day and the Olympics

 In this episode of We Watch TV, Hope and Daniel are back at long last. The hosts chat how they “won” Valentine’s Day before diving into their thoughts on the new “Wuthering Heights” movie. Hope and Daniel also talk about their favorite moments from the recent Winter Olympics, which dominated the majority of their tv time during the past two weeks. Some other TV was consumed, including the Fallout season 2 finale and the Tell Me Lies series finale. The hosts wrap things up by once again discussing why The Pitt is one of the BEST shows currently airing!

(00:00:00) Intro
(00:05:14) "Wuthering Heights"
(00:33:19) Sinners
(00:40:21) The Winter Olympics
(00:49:54) Fallout season 2 finale
(00:54:54) Tell Me Lies season 3 finale
(01:02:39) The Pitt season 2

Music by yourtunes from Pixabay

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Transcript

Intro

SPEAKER_00 0:12

Hey everybody and welcome to We Watch TV. It is the podcast about the TV that we watch. I am Daniel. She is Hope. This is episode 131. We're back.

SPEAKER_02 0:21

We're back. It was cold, it was snowy, then we saw grass and it was warm and it felt like spring, and now it's cold and it has snowed yet again.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

Aww, it was bar barely grass, it was mostly mud.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

Yeah, but we were able to see green-ish grass again for the first time since like Christmas, maybe? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:47

Kind of crazy. Right down into it. Taking the dog out to his bathroom.

SPEAKER_02 0:52

Yeah, everybody's yards is a muddy mess. And now, but good news, it's going to stay muddy since it snowed again.

SPEAKER_03 0:59

Yay.

SPEAKER_02 1:00

Because somehow we're still in the month of February and it's still winter. Winter was here to remind us like, hey, I gave you some well, one, it was weird that like 35 degrees felt warm. So when you're throwing like 60 degrees at us, it felt like like break out the shorts, the sunscreen, the sunglasses.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

I ran in shorts.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

Yeah. I mean, it just like no notes. And then Sunday it was like, you know what? We're not done yet. We're not done yet. So here's some more snow. But in the time that we've been gone, we have celebrated Valentine's Day and we've watched two weeks of the winter Olympics. The Olympics. Um I look forward to the Olympics every two years. And we watched a lot of TV.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

Similar to the NHL, this was our two-week break for the Olympics.

SPEAKER_02 1:52

I guess. They take three weeks, though, don't they? Wanted to prep. I guess.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

I don't know. I'm so detail oriented. Anyway, um, Valentine's Day was really fun. We normally don't go out on Valentine's Day. I couldn't tell you the last time we went out on the actual day of, as in February 14th. I feel like we didn't. It's probably was like what, like 2009, maybe 2010. It's been a while. On like the actual day. I know one time I feel like 2020, like before saying shut down, I think we went to like an evening thing the night before. I can't tell. Maybe that was the day after that. I don't think that was 2020.

SPEAKER_00 2:30

I think that was earlier than that. I think it's been a long time. I have photo evidence. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:34

Because I was like trying to figure it out. But normally we either get a heart-shaped pizza, um, do nothing except for you always do get me some nice candy, maybe some takeout. But we actually went out on the day of February 14th. And you know what? I think we did it correctly because while we were leaving town and we saw like the masses of people coming in, I thought it was a very nice day. We didn't like try to go sit down at a restaurant and be around a bunch of crowded crowds of people. And I I think it worked out.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

I think we were safely tucked away in our home by like 5 30 or something.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

Oh, absolutely. We I think a lot of people were out that weekend too, because that was like where our fake spring started.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

The warm down, and like it was a three-day weekend for a lot of people with President's Day coming up. A lot of people hadn't, you know, been out of their homes in weeks. The only time we had really been out would be if we had an appointment to go to, somewhere to be, or I think we would we went out to Starbucks a couple times, but it was like a Starbucks run where we stay in our car. So this was like our first time like going out and doing something fun rather than like having to be an appointment or somewhere else.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

The movie wasn't too full, but the chilies that we picked up afterwards, we would have been waiting probably an hour and a half if we had been eaten in chilies. It was popping. I didn't this was at like three in the afternoon. This was not even in prime time.

SPEAKER_02 3:59

And that chilies, because chilies is that girl, that chilies is always busy.

SPEAKER_00 4:02

Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_02 4:03

We've been there like on the random evening before, a random afternoon at an off hour, and it's just like that's because chilies, as we've said many times before, is like the chain restaurant. They don't try to be something they're not, they're just chilies, they're just awesome, consistent.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

This podcast is not sponsored by Chili's. However, we would be more than willing to accept a sponsorship for some gift cards, chilies.

SPEAKER_02 4:27

Even if you only paid me in like the Southwest Egg rolls. Yeah, that'd be I would accept that payment, Chili's, if anybody is listening from the Chili's Corporation. But yeah, Valentine's Day. I feel like we did it right. It's not that we're the type of people that reject Valentine's Day. We just don't like to be around a lot of people and we don't like to wait. We're very impatient, and we like to sit on our okay. So I know we're talking complaining about being stuck in the house, but we want to still have the op we like to be at home with the option to leave.

SPEAKER_01 4:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:56

Not to be trapped in for days.

SPEAKER_00 4:59

But I feel like we took going over in the ice. Have we podcasted since I like hurt myself? Yeah, I think we already did, yeah. I think we've already talked about like almost killing myself on the ice, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:09

And then you but I think you fell again after that. Yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

That sounds about right.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

Anyway, Valentine's Day. I think we did it right. I um decided I I've been all up on like the you know, the lore around the movie. I decided I was gonna read the book, which is very different than the movie, but I got really invested into Wethering Heights by Emily Bronte, and I'm like, Daniel, I really want to go see this movie. I'm like, I've already heard that the movie is not really like the book. I was like, but I'm gonna read the book first, and then we're gonna go see the movie, and I really want to see this movie for Valentine's Day. And I I thought that you might give me like some pushback on that, and you were like, oh yeah, that movie looks pretty cool, which um bravo for having a nice, lovely husband that I don't have to like beg and convince to go see a movie on it. Because I'm not gonna say, I already told you, I was like, this isn't exactly a romantic movie, I don't know why they're marketing as such. Settle in for a ride. Um, but a movie that was marketed as a Valentine's Day movie.

SPEAKER_00 6:08

I I knew I haven't read Wuthering Heights, but I knew it was not the traditional Roman um Valentine's Day romance movie. So I was interested to see what the movie was considering how they marketed it and what I knew about it.

SPEAKER_02 6:24

And so yeah, it it the marketing of it making it, I feel like they marketed it like a period piece of a great love story akin to like Bridgerton. No.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

No.

SPEAKER_02 6:36

Anybody with any knowledge of Wathering Heights know that this is not how it's gonna be. And it we got to really see that play out like in our theater experience, which I'll get to in a few minutes. But we decided to do that, and then because we are geniuses, as one would say, um, we were like, we don't wanna while we're down there, we're like, we want to get good food, but like I I feel like you couldn't pay me to go to a restaurant in the on a Valentine's Day, you know, in my olden age.

SPEAKER_03 7:00

Miserable.

SPEAKER_02 7:00

So we're like, let's put our order in before we go to the movie and have it set to pick up when we exit the movie, and it couldn't have worked out better. No, so we didn't you got the notice that it was ready like before we were even in the parking lot at Chili's. Yep. And we could see as we were leaving all the restaurants like around like the mall, like area where our theater and the all the restaurants and everything were. You could see those were crazy. We could see as we were driving back to our small town, we could see everybody, you know, driving into the big city, just a line of traffic, and I know those people had to be out for Valentine's Day.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

Oh, for sure. And we had no traffic heading back, so everybody was going to the like you said, the big city, Huntington, West Virginia.

SPEAKER_02 7:38

Is it Modern Family where Claire's like, I won therapy, or like we won Valentine's Day?

SPEAKER_00 7:44

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

I think that's that episode where they make them, they get like the they go to therapy because like they win like a gift certificate. It's got oh, may she rest in peace. Catherine O'Hara, she's like, clean your drawer out. Okay, okay. And Claire's like, did I just win therapy? Because I like to say that to my therapy. You can't win therapy, guys. I've tried. Um I've tried, but I think we can say that we won Valentine's Day. And our our Starbucks, best Starbucks I've like had in forever. Everything was great, including the movie. And I say this is a book snob. So shall we get into some Wuthering Heights?

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Well, before we get into Wuthering Heights, and because I'm looking at the show notes just now and noticing you left, we'd actually watched two movies on Valentine's Day.

SPEAKER_02 8:26

Oh, yeah, we did.

SPEAKER_00 8:27

The other one off. Well, we'll mention that one briefly too, since it is nominated for the city. I completely forgot about that. Um when we got home, as we were eating our um meal, we were like, well, let's let's let's be fancy and watch an actual movie for once on our couch instead of you know three episodes of a TV show or something like that. And so um I'd been wanting to watch Sinners for a long time, and we watched that as well.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

And that was actually my suggestion, though. So I'm not winning remembrance. That's true.

SPEAKER_00 8:54

And and oh, and the best part, and again, after we talk about the first movie, we'll talk about that second. Hope went into Cinners with an extremely low amount of information, and it was great.

SPEAKER_02 9:06

All I knew was that Michael B. Jordan was in it. I we really picked some great romance movies for you know, a day of love.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

We could have watched Star Trek VI. I mean.

unknown 9:15

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 9:16

What was it? Oh my gosh, this is so unrelated. This podcast is like it how I would describe ADHD to somebody. Well, we were like watching like celeb not Celebrity Jeopardy, pop culture Jeopardy, and there was like a Star Trek question, and you didn't even answer it, right? You couldn't I didn't know it.

SPEAKER_00 9:31

I didn't know the answer to that question.

SPEAKER_02 9:33

And then like you were saying something, and I corrected you about a Star Trek fact the other day, and then I was like, I need to go outside and touch grass. I don't know what it was, and you were like, start, and I was like, no, that's Star Trek five that that was in, and then I'm like, oh no, I need to what have you done to me?

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Good things, apparently.

SPEAKER_02 9:51

Wuthering Heights, Wuthering Heights, okay in quotation marks. Yes. So, first off, I'd be remiss not to talk about the book.

SPEAKER_00 10:00

So I um please, please um uh flout your intellectualism for a moment.

SPEAKER_02 10:06

First off, I think um the Moors represent the wildness of Heathcliff's character. Now, what Hope has so shrewdly observed if you know, you know, we're all the Friends fans. So that was kind of like I knew they read Wuthering Heights when Phoebe and Rachel took that class on Friends, but we never that was not one of the ones that we read in high school or junior high. I know we read like Great Expectations, I read like a Christmas Carol, so we did a lot of like Charles Dickens stuff.

SPEAKER_00 10:36

Now that I've seen the movie and like more fully understand the story, and also you've kind of filled me in on the stuff they left out, I totally kind of understand why high schools don't read this book. Or I'm high schools do. Mine didn't read this either. Some high schools do. And I kind of get it.

SPEAKER_02 10:52

Like this is uh But I could see why our like conservatory or high schools probably didn't with all the wildness, just like the Moors of Heathcliff's character. You know, that is that as you know, Phoebe telling Rachel, or as Rachel so shrewdly suggested, I would say that the Moors represent the wildness of Heathcliff's character.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

What about the robots?

SPEAKER_02 11:12

That's from Jane Eyre.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:15

The next book, which is by Emily Bronte's sister. I believe Charlotte Bronte wrote that one, and that's next on my list for the classics.

SPEAKER_00 11:22

This right here has been my life for the last two weeks, by the way. I just want to point out my new hyperfixation. Like just info dumping uh everything there is to know about Wuthering Heights and the Olympics, and the Olympics, and Emily Bronte and the Bronte family, and this just been what I've been in for the last two weeks.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

And you are welcome for that. Okay. So I got the book, I started to read the book, and I'm like, okay, this is gonna be one that I don't fly through because at the beginning, it's just first you have to get used to that kind of like old style. And but once you get once you finally get to like Nellie as the narrator, she's one of the characters, she's in the movie, and she's in the book, a little bit different, of course. Once you kind of get to her spilling the tea about, you know, what went down, then it starts to pick up once you get used to it. You're like, all right, all right, we're in a groove. And then suddenly, before I knew it, I I read Wuthering Heights in like two and a half days, which I think is pretty, you know. I'm gonna not to tap myself on clap myself on the back or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

But you clap yourself on the shoulder, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

It was because it got like I got really invested and got really into it. And I think I've seen some people say online, they're like, I struggle to get through this. The first chapter and the second chapter, you're kind of like, what is going on? Because it starts off like you're not quite how the book ends, but you're more in a present world. And like this did not happen at all in the Wuthering Heights movie. But you meet a character named Mr. Lockwood, you see Heathcliff, who's older, you see Catherine Um Linton, formerly Earnshaw. Now this is her daughter, who's also named Catherine. A lot of names are the same, a lot, a lot of like family connections, and he kind of finds like was like, Well, so what's the deal with this guy? And what's the deal with her? And then you finally get to the narrative, should I say about chapter four? But then occasionally it'll flip to somebody else's point of view again, and then you'll flip time, and then like basically the middle of the book, um, spoiler alert for anyone that's a spoiler podcast.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Please remember it's a spoiler podcast. We're not only spoiling the movie, but we're also spoiling the book. Now, the movie, I get if you want to skip because the movie is um you know two weeks old. The book's like 200 years old, so I'm not really that sympathetic to you.

SPEAKER_02 13:37

So, spoiler alert for the book. Um, I'm halfway through the book and I'm like, Kathy's dead. And like I looked up from Daniel on the couch and I'm like, so what are we gonna do?

SPEAKER_00 13:46

It was like Kathy as in the the main character character being played by the A-list celebrity in the movie we're about to go see.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

I was like, so she's dead. I'm and then I'm like, we have a whole half of the book left. So the whole second half of the book is like the second generation of it. So I'm like, I bet, because I had read that the movie makes some major changes, and I was like, I bet they're not gonna touch that second book entirely, and I was correct. Um I will definitely say this about the book. I love the book. It might be one of my favorite books upon reflection that I've ever read. It is insane. It's um crazy. What is the Nicole Kim one minute? It's quite mystical. Like there is it's like just I like the gothic nature of it. We have ghost, we have uh passionate toxic toxicity love story. We've got, you know, family drama, family gossip, revenge, hatred, even a little bit of not mega for the characters you think, but you know, some healing and redemption. It just it's got all the elements. It's basically like a huge spilling the tea gossip session, and you know, about this at the center of it, Kathy and Heathcliff, these two toxic characters, but in their just connection to each other and deep love at each other, as well as almost hatred at the fact that they love each other so much and kind of the fallout of everything surrounding them and like why Heathcliff is the way he is and all of that. And um, so it's a book, the book's a lot. Let's just put it that way. And I kind of warned you had already heard a little bit, so I kind of warned you. I was like, Yeah, this is not gonna be like, I think, like happy. And you already, I mean, you already heard me be like, Kathy's dead, like when I'm reading the book, because I just kind of like put the book down on my lap. I looked up at you and I'm like, and I've got this much left. I've got half a book left. Um, so when it comes to the movie, they already have the quotes in it. Wuthering Heights, Emerald Fennel, I think that's the director. She said to think of it as this is like her version or reimagining of Wuthering Heights, and this is how she kind of sees the story and that it is gonna be very different. And I've heard some people compare it um as almost like a fanfic of the book, and I know that sounds really negative, but I think that's a fair comparison. And I think um, I think the Moors represent no, that's how I sound as a book, and I'm you and you you know me, I'm I am a book snob. I really am, like when it comes to stuff like that. But I think in this case, I think it's okay to like both. I think I can like the book for what it what for what it is, and then I can enjoy her interpretation as a great movie um on its own. And I know there's been a lot of like discourse of that from some of the book people kind of talking about like how they didn't like the movie at all because it didn't stick close to the book adaptation and blah blah blah blah blah. But then I've seen other people like me who also read the book and are like, you know what, I liked both. It's fine to like both. And then I've seen some people that just went in to watch the movie and they have no intention to read the book and they liked the movie as well. So art is subjective, and that's kind of just like my my little PSA on that. I think it's fine to like both of them, and I will freely admit that I enjoyed both pieces of media, and I'm just in my Wuthering Heights era of all kinds.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

Let me ask you a question. Yes. Now we're we're going off the book now, we're going to the movie. Um Do you think those girls in the front of our theater liked the movie? I do, but I think they were traumatized. Folks, they clearly went in, have not having read the book, thinking this was a Valent acute Valentine's Day rom-com. They were sobbing at the end of the movie.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

I think it was like out of the theater and into the I saw them in the bathroom. Yeah, we had, I would say our feet our audience, like that, like our theater patrons with this was all of all different ages. We had like an older couple beside you, because that man like decided he got bored halfway through and was gonna play on his phone the whole time.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

I'm like, that was fun.

SPEAKER_02 17:47

This is the second time I have been in a movie. People always, I'm gonna throw something out. People always criticize Gen Z and teenagers for being on their phones. When I saw Wicked with my nephew, old lady next to him, probably boomer age, on her phone.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

This man, he was We saw Super Ma man with my mother.

SPEAKER_02 18:03

Was she on her phone?

SPEAKER_00 18:04

Don't you remember?

SPEAKER_02 18:05

Oh, she did get on her phone. Oh my gosh. Like, people put your phones up during the movies. My goodness. Um, but there were people probably around our age, and then that group of teen girls down front who were in for it. I think they really thought they were doing like a fun Galantine's romantic, like Bridgerton type movie, and and they went through it. So are you glad I prepped you beforehand? Yeah, because even being prepped and having read the book, I still teared up at the end because it was very sad. So again, these are your withering heights.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

I will say briefly as well, that seeing movies, this exact experience in the movie is one of the reasons why I love seeing movies in the theaters. Yes. Because, like, just I was just as entertained by the movie as I was by watching those girls up the front slowly break down over the like the last 20 minutes of the movie as it started to really hit them what was happening, and that that they the ending was not going to be what they thought they got. It was really great.

SPEAKER_02 19:01

Like they're like, What a happy ending. I was in the and then I get went to the bathroom right after, and they were in the bathroom, and one girl was like, What the F like still crying. She's like, What was that? That was so sad. And I it took everything in my being not to be like nerdy hope and be like, Hey, you think that's sad and wild? You should really read the book. And I was like, Don't do it, Hope, don't do it, don't do it, don't, don't go interject. So I just, you know, I used the bathroom and I left. Um, but yeah, they were going through it. And I've seen some TikToks of people like, this is me before Wuthering Heights movie, this is me after, and like sobbing and distraught. They're like, This is we don't know anything about the book or the the movie, like this is us before and after. And sometimes you watch those and you're like, is this just a trend? No, it's not it. We saw that we had the authentic experience with the people in our theater. And I do feel like everybody kind of left with that silence because it's such a heavy note. Because spoiler note, it basically ends with a as one would guess, as you read the book um in half when Kathy unfortunately passes away, even though there are some differences. Um, so yeah, getting into the movie, again, um, I am one of the people that read the book, love the book, but I also absolutely love this movie. I think it is if you think of them again, think of them as two different pieces of media, two different pieces of art, an interpretation of it, and I think you can enjoy it. Um, just come in with an open mind. For me, um, obviously I liked Wicked for Good. That's always I'm such a wicked girly, but this is one of the best movies I have seen in a really long time at the theater. Like it was, I have not had the, and we're not going to, obviously, because again, you know, peopling, busy lives, but this is the first time I've come out of a movie and been like, yeah, I would go see that again at the theater before I watch it again at home. That is how much I enjoyed this movie. It was visually stunning. Every shot looked absolutely gorgeous. The cinematography was top tier, the aesthetic was incredible. Um, the soundtrack, Charlie XEX, knocked it absolutely out of the park. I love every song. I had no idea that that one song House.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

I thought it was like, because I had heard it on TikTok, and I guess she released that song for the soundtrack in like November. But I'm like, did they pull that song for the movie, or was this part of the movie? Did not know that. And I could tell other people in the theater didn't know that either, because I was like, Yes, this song, and I heard somebody laughing. Probably one of the teenager girls, like, oh, this is a song from TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

That should have been their first hint that something looks up, right? Like, what are we, two minutes into the movie, the title card is getting ready to come up, and that song starts and they're going to a hanging.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

Yeah, like they're going to watch a hanging in the streets.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

The hint that maybe something was different about this movie.

SPEAKER_02 21:40

And I do think that they did get certain elements of the characters correct. Like, um, Kathy could have been a little meaner. Even Heathcliff, he could have been meaner too, way meaner. But um, he doesn't really really start to get mean till the second half of the book. Um, but I felt that the the movie still captured their unbreakable bond, their Tortured love story, their even the revenge and being angry that with each other because they love each other so much. So the toxicity. But I feel like the movie really captured just that, for better or for worse, how much those two characters were enamored with each other. Um, I felt like that they captured that really well. Um, Jacob Ballordi. Woohoo! There had been some controversies on Heathcliff's casting, but I don't think Emerald Fennel deserves as much of the criticism as she's getting because it seems to me only one so far piece of media that has recreated Wethering Heights has used, you know, not a white man in the role of Heathcliff.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

Yeah, there's been like what, seven or eight movies and even more if you count mini series on TV. And there's only ever been one that's done anything with that. So yeah, criticism where criticism is due, but come on. But yeah, like criticism criticize all the other versions too.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

And like I get it. Like I get that's a valid criticism, but yes, don't just attack this movie because it's you know the fun movie, like the the new one. Um, you're gonna have like uh Voldemort is in one that which we'll get into this in a little bit. Uh Ray Ralph Fiends, is that how you say his name? I think so. I just know him, yeah, Voldemort, Harry Potter. And let's just say when he is Heathcliff, he looks good too. Um Jacob Lordy looked really good though, and I thought he played the role really well. And to think I first ever saw him on the kissing booth and Netflix movie is crazy to me. Uh Margot Robe Robby Roby, um she was cast as Catherine, and I there was some criticism, like, is she you know too old? And she does, you know, she is older than him, but let's let's call it what it is. When she was in Wolf of Wall Street, she was like 15 years younger than Leonardo DiCaprio. No one said a word about that. So let's stop being ageist and sexist against women people. And I felt like those two, all the the lore that I because I first got into the lore of this by reading there about like all the chemistry they've had, you know, on screen and off-screen, and let's kind of like what was going on with that, and it translated to onset because the chemistry was off the charts and the acting was good enough that like I I thought they were cast really well. Um it was just a beautiful movie, and I felt like this version of Wuthering Heights, I really did enjoy. And there were certain things from the book that I was glad they changed for the big screen. Um, for example, I told you before going into it, I'm like, I really don't want to see dogs get abused in this movie because Heathcliff, you know, he's not, especially once he loses Kathy, like his character, he's not a very I mean, he's even when he's Kathy's still alive, like would you say Heathcliff is a good person?

SPEAKER_03 24:38

No.

SPEAKER_02 24:39

I mean, of course, are there circumstances with his childhood that, you know, propelled him to grow up the way he did and become who he was? Of course. But he was still not a great, not a great dude. And I'm like, I'm glad that they changed some of that because I didn't want to see that type of abuse depicted on my screen. Um, when it comes to the character of Isabella, that is who Heathcliff literally marries, he marries Catherine's uh sister-in-law, um, just to kind of make her mad. And in the book, that is a very volatile abusive relationship, and it was still abusive on screen, but they kind of made Isabella a a little bit more of a goofy character, if you will, um, and kind of like kinky, like that she is into it. That was a choice, but I feel like they did that. So you as an audience were still wanting to root for, you know, Heathcliff and Kathy and their love story, and I understand why they went in that direction. Um, there's been, you know, I I get it. I get why that choice was made.

SPEAKER_00 25:38

If that uh you know at the end of the year, I I will s I will make one point again. For you know, I haven't read the book, so well you hold your superiority over me all you want. I I do think for me personally as a watcher, the I get what you're saying, and I understand what they what the change they made with that character. I felt like the whole moment where she's on the leash and the panthing thing.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

Like where she was acting like a dog.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

That might that to me that was a little too far in that direction, but but uh but it didn't ruin the movie for me.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

I think they did that to kind of like as a wink, like instead of him thinking.

SPEAKER_00 26:12

Sure, I know no, I know why they did it. And I and uh I think they could have gotten that same message across with not going quite that far with it.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

Like I said, I think they did that because she kind of does that wink at Nelly. Like I think they wanted to to show that while she was still actively being abused, she didn't mind it as much because she had this kink to her, and I think they made that choice. Otherwise, you like just to soften the glow of being a horrible, horrible person.

SPEAKER_00 26:40

Like I said, I understand why they did it, and I it doesn't it doesn't ruin the movie for me. I think that specific moment maybe was just a for me was just like a little bit over the edge of believability. Yeah. Versus they could have, I think, done it and not been as like overtly just like whoa, in that moment.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

I I did like that they still kept some of Isabella's like childlike qualities that she has in the book because there's this one scene where she and Edgar, which the movie didn't make it clear, in the book, she and Edgar are brother and sister. In the movie, he called her his ward. So I don't know if we're led to believe there's a lot of like cousins intermingling and everything in the book, but um she's like telling he's he's like, So what's your book about? And she's like telling him about Romeo and Juliet, and she's giving them like the play-by-play, and then she's like, and then Marcuccio and Tybalt, and then Daniel and I just looked at each other. Is that not me when I'm describing a book to you? But yeah, um aesthetically pleasing, visual, just art, soundtrack amazing, and I really did feel like they at least got the love, you know, for better or for worse, even though it ends pretty terribly. I felt like they got that right, and I just I really like what she did and her vision with that movie, so it's it's one of my favorites. Um now I will turn it over to Daniel to describe it. He already told me in the theater, looked, I can tell when this man is interested in the movie or not, based on how much he fidgets, and he was locked into this movie, and he looks at me and goes, I liked that way more than the housemaid. So I know that it's more than fine for you. So go ahead. Tell us what you think now. Keep in mind I did prep him a little bit on the book, so you knew so you know, in your own knowledge of what was going on, you knew that Wuthering Heights is kind of a gothic, crazy, chaotic, tragic tale.

SPEAKER_00 28:28

I knew that even before you read the book.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

You knew that from friends because it's a tragic um love story.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

No, I like the movie, I thought the movie was very good. I think I won't go too deep in here because I think you covered most of the points, like some cinematography, soundtrack was wildly like spectacular. Um, I I that it's a it's a strange day, folks. I want to tell you right now, when I when when the person who is interested in phenomography comes out of the movie, and I'm going, that soundtrack was amazing. Yeah. That that soundtrack was amazing. Um, yeah, I I I have thoroughly enjoyed it. It was a good movie, it was a great movie, even. And there was one shot that you really liked with like the dollhouse, and I've heard other people talking about that, and then inside of it, you're like, listen, okay, I'm a mark for a dollhouse that is like a replica of the house, and then you do fun camera tricks where suddenly you're inside the dollhouse, but you didn't realize until you saw the hand come through the window that you were in the dollhouse. It was fun. I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_02 29:26

So, what would you think about um Margot and Um Jacob playing the roles of Kathy and Heathcliff? And what do you think of the characters of Kathy and Heathcliff just based on this movie?

SPEAKER_00 29:37

I mean, uh the as you said, the the they had the chemistry that you need to play these two characters, they had the correct chemistry to play those two characters. I mean, they're not good people. I'm from from the movie the characters, from the movie and from what you've told me, it doesn't sound like there's a ton of good people in this story at all. And so I think that came across where to a certain extent, you're right. Like they softened everybody just enough that there was because they were only telling the one story, right? They weren't telling the second part of the book, and so they did need to soften the book. We had a whole half of the book left. They needed to soften the characters slightly so that there was that emotional punch at the end, and it wasn't just like, well, good, they deserved it. Um, and I think they accomplished that goal.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

And I can't like, unless she would have done like a, you know, what Wicca did and split it in two parts. I don't know, there wouldn't have been time to cram the second half of the book into this movie, but it was funny because I looked at you and I was like, we still have half a book left when the credits were rolling. Yeah. And I think you kind of figured that out because you had obviously I was being like Isabella on the couch, like sitting up. I'm like, oh my gosh, well, I have this much book left and Kathy's dead. What's going on? I mean, we see Kathy. I wish, I wish we could have seen Ghost Kathy in the movie. I would have liked that. Because I love the I still I still think the movie still gave us some of that gothic vibes, but I would have really liked because just the book is crazy. And with all like the like I would have liked it, but maybe that would have taken some people out of it.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

Probably would have.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

I'm starting to think I just need to go into her catalog because her Wuthering Heights song, I've also been um Melting that out, vocal stemming that all over the house. Um, but yeah, I could tell you liked it, and I'm glad that you enjoyed it, and that was a really um, you know, good Valentine's Day. And I feel like, like you said, we were also entertained by the teenage girls. Yeah, that's the movie experience for you. It's always great. And their reactions like distraught.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

There's nothing better than one, going to the theater and seeing a good movie, but two, going to the theater, seeing a good movie with a good crowd, a crowd that reacts to the movie at the right pl times. It makes the movie better. Yes, it does. And so that's I enjoy that about going to movies.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

And I just think it was I I get the choice why they did market it as such, because I mean, it is a love story, one that ends in horrific tragedy and is very toxic. But I mean, I get I get I get the vibe wanting to market it for Valentine's Day. Got me got me out, you know, the house on Valentine's Day. So I think in you know, in closing, I feel like if you just want to go see the movie, that's great. I think you'll enjoy it. And if you have read the book, try to be have an open mind. Or, you know, you know, don't see the movie. This is why we have all forms of media to enjoy. And I'm definitely in my Wuthering Heights Bronte sisters era, and it's been like all I can talk about and all I can think about for weeks. I even messaged our um like local record store guy and I was like, hey, do you have the soundtrack yet? And then he messaged me as soon as we got it, and Daniel went to go pick it up for me because I was very tired. So, yeah, and I feel like you weren't, you know, you you were happy to go do that because, like you said, you liked it.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

I liked the soundtrack. Probably that was my favorite thing about the movie.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

So do you know the beginning they had that was real hair that they used to spell out the titles?

SPEAKER_00 32:59

No, I yeah, you haven't dumped that information on me yet.

SPEAKER_02 33:03

That's why I probably sent you some TikToks explaining that. Um, will you see the movie again when I ultimately buy it to watch it this home?

SPEAKER_00 33:10

I'm not a huge second watch person.

SPEAKER_02 33:12

Meanwhile, I'll see a movie and I'll be like, this is my new comfort movie. I will watch this all the time.

Sinners

SPEAKER_00 33:18

Well, speaking of other movies, so we had already hinted at this, but we watched a second movie on Valentine's Day because we wanted to go extra special. And so, you know, we'd you had mentioned watching it. I'd want to s I'd wanted to see it for a while. It's been nominated for Best Picture of the Year as well, and in and it's actually the most nominated film of the year at the Oscars this year. And of course, we're talking about centers.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

It won a Golden Globe recently for I think cinematic achievement. It's the same. It's kind of the at the Golden Globes they've started like Wicked, regular Wicked got it last year. They kind of give them they try to award the movie that like is like the popular blockbuster movie, so it did win that. So some people are like critical about that award, but it's still an award. Um, it still gives them their flowers. And Cinners was um, you know, not a romantic vibe at all, really. But uh I'd say it was a pretty good movie.

SPEAKER_00 34:08

I liked it a lot.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Um, Michael B. Jordan um plays twins. I did not know that, I just knew he was in the movie.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

He plays You didn't know a lot about this movie.

SPEAKER_02 34:17

I didn't really know. I knew it was like a horror movie, but I didn't know in what you know state of it. So I thought when it starts off um that it was gonna be in like more of like a religious trauma type, you know, with mixed in with like racism. Like I thought that was gonna be the type of horror movie that it was, which it kind of was.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

It did, it had a little bit of that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

Then again, this is your go ahead, get to the next chapter, marker 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, vampires. What? And that's the twist that you knew. You knew there were vampires in it.

SPEAKER_00 34:50

So the movie was going humming along. Are you serious? And you were into it, and then they switched to that farm scene, and that guy just comes up out of nowhere. And I that's when I I I had no, I'd seen that part, so I turned to you and I'm just starting to watch, and you're watching it unfold. And only afterwards you were you like, oh my god, they like all the vampire tropes were shown in that scene with Alfred. They have to be invited in.

SPEAKER_02 35:11

They the sun hurts their skin because like almost no matter if it's twilight, the vampire diaries or like Nusferatu, like the always the lore is still the same with vampires. And I think they use that as like what is it from the friends of it? Symbolism! Yeah, I think they use that as symbolism, as like you know, white folks sucking away at like people's rights, people's culture, like um, because a lot of there's music is huge in centers.

SPEAKER_00 35:38

Yeah, it's very and speaking of a great soundtrack, like this also had a great soundtrack.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

Absolutely. I I feel like it's hard for me to explain this movie, like just goes the but it does touch on like racism, religion, um, I guess vampires, but like you can you can't you use that as symbolism, wouldn't you agree? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, um, because they have like the whole thing, it circles back to like the KKK essentially and what they were planning to do before the vampires came in, and that was way scarier to me than the vampires. Especially like knowing like what we know what those people and stuff did. I thought it was really good. I think it's deserving of its awards.

SPEAKER_00 36:21

I don't think it's gonna win Best Picture, but yeah, I don't think it's gonna win, but I don't I also couldn't tell you what is gonna win because I have only seen have we seen two of the movies that are nominated at this point? I like maybe this is the only one I've seen. I don't even know. I don't remember. A lot of the movies this year that are Oscar noms. I don't remember a handful of them.

SPEAKER_02 36:42

I don't remember the name of the one that's the favorite right now, and I'm not gonna take take the time to look it up.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

Yeah, I think it's one battle after another.

SPEAKER_02 36:49

Yeah, that one is favorited. Sometimes, you know, things change.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

That one I would like to see, but I heard it's almost three hours, and I'm like, I don't unless it's Lord of the Rings, yeah. I don't have much time for a three-hour movie these days.

SPEAKER_02 37:00

My favorite part of Lord of the Rings is when you watch the extended versions, and it's like when we're trying to the West Virginia goodbye, when we're trying to leave a family gathering, you have to say goodbye for like an hour.

SPEAKER_00 37:07

Dude, that's not even in the extended versions. Oh, that's the regular movie. You've not seen the extended version of Return of the King. It's even worse.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

Yes, I have. We watched it on your DVD. I saw that that's the only one I seen I saw in theaters, but then we also watched it because we own all the extended versions. I've never seen the theatrical versions of the first two because when you started me on Lord of the Rings, you had me watch the extended versions like a maniac.

SPEAKER_00 37:32

Okay. Anyways.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

He tried to get me into being Lord of the Rings before before he put Star Trek in a well because we met uh in the middle of Lord of the Rings mania.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

Like we met after the fellowship came out and two towers had come out, but before the Return of the King had come out. That's why that was at the forefront of my mind at that time. Star Trek had been kind of in the back, they were kind of in their dark time period where the next gen movies had kind of become crap.

SPEAKER_02 38:01

And so you introduced me to Lord of the Rains, and then uh and I I I had seen Star Trek The Next Generation before I met you. What a stain on my character. Um but you also introduced me to Star Wars too, which I'll I'll forever be thankful for that because I love Star Wars, even though you know the sequels aren't my favorite, as you guys know. But I love me some prequels and I do like the OGs. Yeah, but I can see this movie picking up some more awards.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

Yeah, I think it'll get a fair share. I mean, it looked great. Like uh you remember the some of those shots when they were driving through the cotton field.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

I I I honestly I was asking you, I was like, is this a green screen and it has a lot of I could not if it was a green screen, I couldn't tell they did great work, and if it was a real set that they found, they did a great job finding the right day with like the just picturesque sky and everything. Like the colors were vibrant, and I think it and it was great that those daytime shots before the the dance started with all that vibrant color because then it kind of really got dark, and you know, obviously then the vampires show up, and so it it kind of was a great contrast in the two halves of the movie that you got to see.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

And I think it was also like really interesting because I've always seen I've seen it on Supernatural, Timeless. There's another show I've seen it where you like the whole like make a deal with the devil, and he's like the devil's coming through my music, and he aesthetic like at the end you have the characters, it opens up, he's walking into his dad's church and he's bloodied up from like apparently the vampire battle, and then he's like, if you just come, you know, to the Lord, blah blah blah, and you give it, but he chooses, no, I'm gonna keep doing like this music. And it makes me wonder if that's like because it's always like a musician, and usually it does tend to be like a black man on Lords.

SPEAKER_00 39:42

Do you think they kind of played off on that, like a little bit yeah, I think there's kind of a different twist on it, but yeah, to a certain extent.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

So and I really did like it, has that what is it, mid-credit scene with Michael B. Jordan and Haley Steinfeld's characters.

SPEAKER_00 39:54

Yeah, and this like more like present day. I don't know if it's like I think it's like the nineties.

The Winter Olympics

SPEAKER_02 39:58

It's the nineties because they aged the one character. But it's a good movie, I would recommend it. Um, was it romantic? No. But it was it was a nice evening eating a triple dipper and watching that, and then Daniel got me some good chocolate. I got you I got Daniel meat and cheese for Valentine's Day. Alright, so uh other than Valentine's Day and my Wuthering Heights hyperfixation, my other hyperfixation has been happening and it is now sadly over, and that is the Winter Olympics in Milan Cortina. And now um we have the two-year wait until LA 2028. But we we've watched a lot of Olympics, and just like I like to info dump, we'll be watching them, and I'll be like, Did you know that Amber Glenn, USA figure skater? I was like, she plays Magic the Gathering, and I try to give Daniel like things that he's gonna be interested in, and I'm like, Chloe Kim, I'm like, Do you know that she dates Miles Garrett of the Cleveland Browns? And I told him that like a week before the snowboard thing that she competed in, and then like the day that she competed, Daniel's like, Hey, did you know? And I was like, Yeah, I told you that. Listen, some of the info that I tell you is it's important.

SPEAKER_00 41:10

Listen.

SPEAKER_02 41:11

And I think it's being it's facts that I think you'll like.

SPEAKER_00 41:14

Listen, you talk a lot.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

Fair enough. Fair enough. Anyway, Team USA uh knocked it out of the park, especially our women for Team USA. Team USA women, here's someone to info dump now. Eight of our 12 gold medals were won by women. And I think they said, what was the percentage? Like 63% or something. Um 63.6% of our medals in general in this bunch of our game games were also won by women. So let's shout out to the ladies and all of Team USA. It's like the patriotism like re-enters my body during every Olympic cycle. What about the women's hockey team winning? And then, like, almost an hour later, Alyssa Liu wins our first gold in 24 years and got on the podium for the first time in like 20 years um in women's figure skating, and all that happened in like the span of an hour. Like, what what a high was that?

SPEAKER_00 42:14

It was pretty exciting.

SPEAKER_02 42:15

And I'm like, I'm definitely, I think John Paul like called me out on this. Like, I am a casual hockey fan. Listen, maybe I'll be I would love to have a women's team to root for all the time because while the men's were fun to watch, the women I got super into watching our women's team, and they pretty much played lights out, but then that last game against Canada went into overtime and was insane. And you would think I'm like a full-blown hockey expert now, even though I'll be like, get down the court or rank, whatever it's called. Then I'm like, get that in there. Um what about what that game was great.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

It's kind of crazy to me that both hockey, men's and women's, were the same two countries and both went into overtime. Yeah. Um to finish out. That was that was kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_02 42:59

Our women have won um a few times. Um, you know, in the past couple Olympic cycles, we have won gold, but our men have not won gold since the famous miracle on ice in like 1980.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:11

So that was 46 years ago. So we also got up at 810 in the morning. We set alarms, got up, had coffee, and watched Team USA again win in hockey. So congratulations there.

SPEAKER_00 43:24

It's weird watching such an intense sporting event so early at that time on morning. Because I'm like, you know, it's not unlike we've watched NFL games kind of that time. Yeah, like when they play and other stuff, but it's but it's a whole other thing to basically be like the championship game, but oh, it's at eight in the morning.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

So that hockey game, from what I understand, was like I know all hockey seems very intense, but just a continuous back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Like it was it was like there was no time to to like to get up and pee unless it was between the periods. Yeah, three three periods in hockey. What I I was like, when is the third quarter? Then I know that there was only three But Daniel's like, why would they wouldn't call that a quarter help? See, you info double me too. I'm like, okay, fine. I get it. Quarters are in fourths. I understand that. Um that was fun. Uh, our team USA figure skating, the team. We won gold in that as well. We watched a lot of that. We watched, I think, Chloe Kim, she did get the silver. Um, Miles Garrett looked like he was gonna puke when he was waiting for her. That I think that humbled him a little bit. Um I don't know, maybe not humbled him, but it showed me a more humbled side of him because I'm used to seeing him, you know, swinging helmets and acting crazy on the football field, and he was just a supportive boyfriend.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

One time he did that.

SPEAKER_02 44:40

Yeah, and that was pretty bad the one time he did that.

SPEAKER_00 44:42

It was pretty bad.

SPEAKER_02 44:43

Yeah, I don't really like Mason Rudolph very much either, but my guess he doesn't deserve his head almost taken off, maybe. Um, but that's how you were always when you would watch me like at my meets and stuff. Like, Daniel was always super nervous, and I'm like, and you're like, this is like taking me back. Uh Ilya, um, our predicted favorite for gold. Obviously, that was a devastating. You watched that one, and that's why you didn't watch. He didn't watch Daniel didn't watch Alyssa Liu because he's like, I watched that one, and every time I came up, performed horribly.

SPEAKER_00 45:11

Every time I came up to watch, people did terrible. So I'm just like, I'm not gonna watch them. I'm clearly a bad luck charm for the skaters.

SPEAKER_02 45:17

But I think that he that shows you know the Olympic pressure. But I watched one thing, I watched the women's by Athlon one day, and like we didn't have any Americans in that, but that was like watching the end of a track meet, like and learning about that, like where they they run around on the skis and they have to go shoot. But if you screw up on one of your shooting things, you have to basically like not take a time out, but like like add like until you can keep going. And it came down to the wire.

SPEAKER_00 45:41

Yeah, like it's like a time penalty, but instead of just adding it on, you actually just have to stand there. And I feel because like I've seen sports where if you mess up something, you get a time penalty, which means they just add those seconds to the end of your thing, but you still get to continue on. I feel like it's way worse when they actually make you just stand still and that's what they did with the French girl, but she like sprinted her way literally.

SPEAKER_02 46:04

What about the man? I don't remember what country he was from that uphill in skis ran a sub-six minute mile.

SPEAKER_00 46:11

That was um uh for anybody who doesn't know what a sub-six minute mile is, that is uh blazing on skis uphill, that's blazing.

SPEAKER_02 46:20

Most normal people, which Daniel and I, we're not normal people, but we have in our lives ran. I mean, you've ran a sub-five minute mile, but I have ran um on a flat track. I've ran in the low fives on a flat track in my in my years. Certainly couldn't do that now where running like a 10-minute mile has me winded, but that was incredible. So I just I really just love the Olympics. I love getting to see these athletes that work so hard. Um, and they're sports that typically don't get a lot of recognition, shine, um, you know, kind of on the big stage. And it I'm I'm really sad it's over. And there's been something I feel like I saw this, somebody said this. It was like we all really needed with how you know horrible January was, like, everyone's like, we needed these winter Olympics to have some some goodness in our lives for at least two weeks. Would you agree with that? Just some joy, a shred of joy.

SPEAKER_00 47:12

And it's just nice to have that. I you know, I'm a routine person, so it's just nice to have that routine of like knowing you're gonna like, especially for you up here, just got it on even in the background while you're doing other stuff. So it's really nice to have that stuff around. And like now it's like, oh, we're back to what maybe two shows we've got that are on weekly release, and no more watching curling, no more watching intensity, can a cheat at curling.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

I like how everyone's like the curling is such a calm sport, and then you had those two like screaming at each other. That was funny. Uh, but yeah, I really I love the Olympics. I'm sad it's over. I saw something, people always like, which do you like better, summer or winter? I will watch them all. At the end of the day, if you made me pick, I'm gonna go with summer just because those are the disciplines we did, like track, I've done gymnastics. Um, but someone was like, the Summer Olympics is what a test of the human body can do. The winter Olympics is what can we do to the human body? I know, put them on like, you know, a board, send him down the hill. Um, put them on crazy stuff, on a track with just, you know, basically knives on their feet and only wearing lycrospandecks to protect them, and then there's curling. But uh yeah. I uh I'm sad the Olympics are over, but at least we only have to wait two years for for more Olympics. What was your favorite part of the Olympics if you had to pick?

SPEAKER_00 48:32

Um, I really enjoyed watching. I didn't watch obviously I didn't watch nearly as much as you did. Um, but I I did enjoy the hockey that I got to see. And uh I watched a little bit of curling, not a ton. I just that that curling's one of those ones you do as like a background sport. It's like golf. Yeah. Like you just turn it on and just like disappear into the couch for a little while.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

I think my favorite part has been how excited a lot of the athletes were to get the stuffies, because everybody got stuffies if you meddled, except for the two silver medal hockey teams, because the look on their one, if you're going, I feel like getting a silver medal would be awesome at anything, except for a hockey. Because you're so close.

SPEAKER_00 49:10

Like getting the bronze better team sports where you where you get gold if you win the game, and you get silver if you lose the game, that silver medal feels a little empty.

SPEAKER_02 49:19

So, not only that, like you just saw the expression on both the women and the men when they like handed them the stuffies and they're just like, What is this? Whereas flip to the figure skating team, and like you I feel like Alyssa Liu looked more excited to get the stuffy than her gold medal. So I don't know. That that was that was funny. There's been a lot of good memes about that.

SPEAKER_00 49:38

By the way, can I ask a technical question?

SPEAKER_02 49:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 49:41

We're calling them stuffies now, because these are just stuffed animals, right? Yes. But they're we're we're just it's they're just stuffies now, that's how we refer to them.

SPEAKER_02 49:49

I guess so. That's what the youths are saying. So I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 49:51

I just wanted that, I just needed some clarification on that point.

SPEAKER_02 49:54

All right. Well, we did in the meantime, while we've been gone, we did watch some TV. Um, we finished um Fallout season two. I know season three is confirmed. We saw the finale. Um, what did you think of the finale, Daniel?

SPEAKER_00 50:08

You know, it was fine. It could have been a little bit more exciting, I feel like. It felt like Honest, okay. Season one was ended in a it ended in a way that you could have never had another season, but they also teased you for second season. Yes. This one ended in they clearly know they're getting season three and they didn't even so none of so nothing felt wrapped up, nothing felt finished, nothing felt like um resolved, and also, and I think you I sh I think you we both share this criticism the ghoul finding the pods where his family were, but they're not there, and so now he's gotta go to a whole other thing and do it all again. That felt a little frustrating.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

His wife left him a message, like kind of like a hint.

SPEAKER_00 50:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:58

Like, hey, I'm still out there, like some kind of inside thing between them, and it seemed like it was planned, and he was relieved to not see them in the pods.

SPEAKER_03 51:06

Right.

SPEAKER_02 51:06

But now we're gonna have which I guess somebody said that's like his whole purpose is looking for his family and the thing. I know that I'm not a gamer. You are familiar with Fallout, but I guess one character from the game showed up and made the shot during like the battle scene with Max.

SPEAKER_00 51:20

I don't know if it's confirmed that that's the character, but a lot of people online are thinking it is a shot from the game and it was very exciting.

SPEAKER_02 51:25

No, everybody was freaking out about that.

SPEAKER_00 51:27

Season two continued to do a great job of provide a good story for people who like you who aren't gamers, but also trick trickle in the things, the winks and the nods, in a way that you didn't need if you missed them, it didn't diminish your exactly um enjoyment of the show. But for the people who did know them, it it increased their enjoyment.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

They did circle back to season one. In season one, we had that one character, the original like owner, I guess, of the dog, that took that pill and basically offed himself. Because now we find out that those people are running, I don't remember what they called it.

SPEAKER_00 52:02

The enclave.

SPEAKER_02 52:02

The enclave are running like the whole weirdness. That's who Lucy's dad is technically working for.

SPEAKER_00 52:08

We think they actually might have been the people that dropped the bombs, too. But we don't know.

SPEAKER_02 52:12

Lucy's dad, we thought he was working for you know, the the shady people of like Vault Tech or whatever, but he's actually double crossing and working for them and they because he takes the same, or no, he took the put the tracker on himself. So he I think Kyle McLaughlin's still gonna be part of the show, but now he doesn't have any of his memories. Do you think Lucy's dad, while he is a bad person and has bad ideas, I still at the and even though he was gonna put the tracker in his own daughter, I still think in his own twisted, warped up mind he did love Lucy.

SPEAKER_00 52:40

But maybe I'm just gonna Yeah, but that tracker deciding that because she wasn't gonna go along with it, yeah. She wasn't gonna comply that he was gonna starts to make you like that's the turn where you go, mm-hmm. It was disappointing. Like at first, he's like tried to give her the chance to see to see his point of view and come to terms with it. And you're like, okay, he really wants to make he wants her to see his way so that he can stay with, but then when she doesn't, he's like, okay, well, I guess I'm gonna have to mind control.

SPEAKER_02 53:07

And then she out, she outsmarts him and everything. I feel like Kyle McLaughlin is just such a good actor at playing that type of character that, like, even though he's villainous, like, I so badly want there to be good in him.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

There could be now because with what happened to him at the end of the season, one, he could still be in the show because he's not dead. But two, if it really was a full wipe, he's just could basically a new character at this point.

SPEAKER_02 53:31

We have Lucy and Maximus reuniting at the end. I feel like this is how I feel this year. I think that as a whole, I enjoyed season two better. I felt like the pacing was better, the storylines moved along better. But I completely agree with you that the finale in season one was better. And it's not that I don't expect to be sizzled because that's you know par for the course. For my, I guess my criticism was I I felt like because they brought in Macaulay Calkins' character back because their whole like separate story with their I felt like we needed one more episode.

SPEAKER_00 54:00

Yeah, they didn't pay that off at all, but all of that was meant to be sizzle for season three, and it's like and it just felt like they were cramming a lot in.

SPEAKER_02 54:08

And for me, if they had just done one more episode, they could have still sizzled me and fleshed out some of these storylines, but I did enjoy it. But I agree with you.

SPEAKER_00 54:16

I I think the the the wife and kid of the ghoul not being in those paths. That was frustrating that's what made it feel flat for me. Yeah, like we were building up to this thing, and then they're not in there, and it's not a situation of like, and I guess I know it's a mystery because they're not in there, but there's a note, so it means something, and I'm sure we'll understand that in the flashbacks, but it was a little frustrating to me. And and I I but I get it. The ghoul, once he finds his family, his character work is done. So you can't there's and there's and sorry, Lucy's a great character, we like Maximus. There's no show without the ghoul.

Tell Me Lies season 3 finale

SPEAKER_02 54:51

No, he makes the show. Um so speaking of other finales and other Lucy's, uh, Tell Me Lie season three, which is now officially been confirmed by the showrunners as the series finale. Um, I have to respect it because that show's been doing pretty good. They could have easily they would have had no problems getting picked up for a fourth season. And she said that they they talked about it, about one of what they could do for season four, but ultimately decided to stick to their original plan. And I have to I have to respect that because that's respecting your art, respecting like the show you put together as much as selfishly. I would like another season. Um, you've watched a little bit of Tell Me Lies, and you're like, like, talk about you know Wuthering Heights being toxic, talk about toxic.

SPEAKER_01 55:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:34

So much so they played the Britney Spears Toxic song, and it was one of the best scenes I've ever had.

SPEAKER_00 55:40

Folks, listen, I didn't watch that episode, but I was in my office and I could hear the I saw I heard the music cue, and I also at the same time you heard me screaming you screaming multiple times at the television as it went on. And I I what I like about it, I can tell it's a good show. And you can tell when I'm into it. From you watching it. More importantly, here's why how else I can tell a good show. So you when you got done, you were like, what? And then you were like I was a little irritated. You were mad. You were not happy with how that ended. And then you said, and this is why we oftentimes beat ourselves up when we're recording this podcast because we don't very often we do not record directly after watching these shows. But in this instance, I think it is a good thing we did not because you you sometimes you have to simmer on these things. I let it ruminate. You let it ruminate a little bit, and now I think you actually really respect it. You respect it, and that from what you told me, that might be one of the best finales of a series you've seen.

SPEAKER_02 56:37

Maybe not like the best ever, but I put it up there, you know, as being pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 56:41

It's on the positive end of things, whereas finales are really hard. And a lot of shit fumble it.

The Pitt season 2

SPEAKER_02 56:46

It's clear to me that people have not been traumatized by the how I met your mother in the Game of Thrones finales. They get so upset by these finales. Like, go watch if you want two garbage finales, go watch those. Um so basically, Tell Me Lies like we have the whole wedding, we never even got actual future scenes. 2015 is as far as they go. We had that whole storyline and then all of Lucy's college years, and they didn't answer every question, and I think that's fine. I think you're just to assume Lucy ultimately, you know, gets kicked out of school because she lied about the assault. Did she she lied about the assault to protect Pippa? Who, by the way, I don't know why people like Pippa. I never liked Pippa, and I'm so validated by it. I don't think Pippa got really, in my eyes, much redemption. Um, and it's not obviously I feel bad that she was assaulted. That's not why I don't like her, but I felt like she was she cheated on Wrigley the whole time, and then she was she was never giving like Lucy grace for the things Lucy was gonna do to help her. She's just a bad character. I don't know why people like Pippa. I've clocked her from day one. That being said, I do have a lot of sympathy for Lucy. Lucy makes horrible choices, but a lot of them are emotional, rash decisions, and I feel like a lot of the choices Lucy makes are because she thinks she's trying to do the right thing. Whereas other people in the show, like even sweet Brie, it's revealed that Brie, not Steven, is the one that releases the tape. I still like Brie. I understand why she did it, because she was upset about her mom, she was upset about the creepy teacher guy. She found out that Lucy and Evan, it was more like she she found out that Lucy and Evan did hook up at the end of season one, and I think it was more less being mad about Evan, but being mad that another person she loved had betrayed her. So I see why she did it, but she did it with intent to harm somebody. Whereas a lot of Lucy's choices, because you know, the season one thing with her and Evan, she was like blackout drunk. I'm gonna let you think about what you want to think about that, and I'm gonna give her a pass for that. She was a young girl, she was trauma. I I feel I feel a lot of ick around that, but like every other poor choice Lucy made almost was it was because she thought she was trying to help somebody and then she had a lot of self-loathing um with self-harm. I hope that 2015 Lucy, who was still making bad choices, did seek therapy. But we have this whole scene at the wedding where all the finally Steven DeMarco did something, I guess, good, but not really. He's like, I'm just gonna spill all the tea on all these people. He's like, by the way, this is happening, this is happening, this is happening. We never get it fully explained how he and Lydia, Lucy's high school friend, got together. We don't get that. I think we're just supposed to assume they got together to make Lucy mad. Um, because Lydia is the sister of the guy who's a very oldering heights situation. Kinda, yeah. Kinda, yeah. I mean, um, like Lu Lydia is the sister of the guy that Lucy accused of essay, that really essayed Peppa. Um, so we they they don't everyone's like, what about this answer? What about this answer? Where is this person? I think that this is that sometimes you don't have to answer every question, media literacy, you can infer things, and I respect it. So after Steven does that, Bree's like, you blah, and she grabbed one. Why is their wedding cake untouched at 3 a.m.? I don't know. So she starts to throw it, and then they play Toxic by Britney Spears, and this dramatic show that I've been watching, suddenly I'm like a I'm watching a comedy, I don't know what is going on, and just everything is chaotic, and the song choice was perfection, no notes. So then um Lucy finds out, you know, she ultimately finds out, hey, it was Brie that, you know, the bride that released this tape of you, and she chooses to get in the car with Steven, and then she goes in to get coffee, and Steven one more time just drives away to humiliate Lucy, and just the the last scene is Lucy just laughing about it, like, of course, sure. And I would like to think in that moment, see, some people think maybe Lucy was strategic about it. You have to, like Diana said, um, you have to let Steven win to make to be free. I don't think that's in the career creators or on my level too. I think that Lucy was once again making dumb choices and just went along with it. But I think in that moment, Lucy realized with that laughter, like, I can't believe I let him do this to me again. And I like to think in that moment, in 2015 timeline, Lucy is finally free of Steven after that and chooses to seek therapy and get help. And Steven um can go drive off a cliff for I all I care because he is the worst villain ever. But we did get a uh basically a wink at an endgame. All I've never rooted for cheating so hard in my life than for the characters of Wrigley and Bree. Because Evan basically turned into Steven Jr. So everyone's like, and Evan getting a face full of wedding cake, and that chase scene during toxic was. Do you want to know what Evan did, Daniel? No. Evan, Bree's birth mother is an alcoholic, and Evan, first off, he went to consult the professor that Bree had an appropriate relationship with. Like, how can I manipulate my girlfriend? Then he got her mom drunk on purpose so Brie would come to him for help. So Evan, trash. So I'm glad he took a face full of cake. And this part where Evan's like, So you and Bree to Wrigley have been hooking up all this time, and Wrigley's just like, yeah. But then they have this look where Evan's still yelling, and Bree and Wrigley look at each other and they smile, and I'm like, oh, in-game, in-game confirmed. But that's how Tell Me Lives ended. Like not a lot of stuff was resolved. The whole toxic friendship group is basically um, you know, at that point I'd say it's done for good for a little bit. I think there's a chance with therapy, Lucy and Bree could maybe be friends again someday. But that that's how it ends. And I I think for the tone of the show, it was like almost poetic in a way. And would I have liked more? Yeah, would I have liked more stuff answered? Sure. But I have to respect it because when the talk it was almost like I felt like they they just played us as the audience, like we got played by Steven, it was it was good. So I have to I have to give credit where credit's due. And like you said, it took me sitting back on that and to reflect a couple hours later to be like, okay, that was actually cinema. Um but speaking of cinema, Daniel, the pit, season two. Is the pit officially in conversation for the We Watch TV podcast best thing going?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:48

I mean, probably more than in conversation at this point, because I don't know what else is going on out there, but yeah. Um yeah, the pit continues to be excellent. We're on what? Episode seven at this point?

SPEAKER_02 1:02:59

I think so. Dr. Abbott just came back.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:01

Um yeah, it's uh picked right back up where season one left it. Like the format is the same. Uh they're doing the same things when it comes to you know the medical drama, but also that little sprinkling of character drama here and there. You get your three seconds here, you get your five seconds here, you get your little wink and a nod here.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:21

Every bread crumb we get, I eat it up.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:23

And they're doing a really great job of it. And uh yeah, it's just really good.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:27

I what do you think? Okay, so what do you think about Langdon and Robbie right now, Dr. Robbie? They're still fighting.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:33

That's your so that's your oh your character your story arc for the season. Yeah. Right? Is that is that Langdon's back, Robbie doesn't want anything to do with him. We they finally, in this last episode, Langdon got the opportunity, he got stuck in an elevator with him. And they got very Gray's anatomy coded. Opportunity to like kind of lay it out there for him, and Robbie was like, Okay, good. Like Robbie is just clearly not in a place right now to accept anything from him.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:58

He was like, I'm glad you got help, but I don't ever want to work with you again. Like, he is mad. I felt like he feels so betrayed by Langdon. Um we haven't had any conversations with Langdon and Dr. Santos yet, who kind of like rats, so I I know that's coming. Yeah. My I guess the the minor criticisms I have of this is Mel's deposition would not be on 4th of July. I'm I'm worried about Mel's sister. Her sister caught her and was like, Yeah, I'm not feeling very good. I'm I'm hoping that was just so we could get Mel's sister in the end, but because then her sister was like, but we still get ice cream tonight, right? Um, because sometimes we catastrophize on the show and then it's okay, but then other times we catastrophize and it's even worse than we imagined. Um, we lost Louie. That is a character from season one, our one-through character, and I think that was the episode before the one we just watched. And it might have been one of the best episodes of television I've ever seen. Where you find out, like, what is it? They call, they found they find his contact a contact number and his file, and it's it goes to Dana. Because of course it does. But you find out that at one time he did have a wife. Yep. Um and it was just so we have our new nurse in training, and Dana, they she like holds his hand at the end because they go in and they kind of, you know, I don't know, say a prayer, is that what you would call over him?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:14

Yeah, they have a branch. I can't remember the word he uses for it, but the where they all get together to like take a moment for the patient, and then in particular this patient, because he had been in and out of the ER there for many, many years, so they all knew him.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:28

It really got me right in the fields. It was really sad. But yeah, it's the way, and even I would say the way I do miss benching it because I think benching it adds to the feeling that this really is one day, but I also at the same time look forward to a new episode each week. So it's like a double edged sword.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:46

And also I want to just put this out there to all the other television makers out there right now. Can we have fifteen episodes I mean, I'm not asking for a lot here.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:54

I ain't asking for the world.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:55

I'm not asking for the world. I'm just asking for fifteen episodes every year. Yeah. That's it. That's all I'm asking for. 15 episodes every year.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:04

Being used to these eight episode seasons, it feels like a treat to get 15. The last episode where Dr. Abbott returned, it was like anybody that has been shipping anything on the show, we all got a breadcrumb. Even like Whitaker Robbie got a breadcrumb, but he's our Huckleberry. Um, Dr. Mohan and Dr. Abbott, did you oh my gosh, that was hot, hot, hot. Where he had his shirt off and she was treating his wound and talking about her patient. He's like, I'll pay for it. And I'm like, ooh, we know that Garcia and Santos clearly have happened. They're three seconds. I was like, it was crazy, it was electrifying. So, like, you get you get some sprinkling. Um, Dr. AI and Dr. Robbie. Even Dr. Abbott was like in Dr. AI, like, they were like, you know, and then Robbie was watching that interaction. I know, even Robbie clocked that. What do we think about Dr. AI? She was calling one of her doctors.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:55

It was a neurologist, so something there. I don't know exactly what. We'll find out.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:00

Our sizzling moment for the pit that we have been left on, um, is we find out what because they they've been sending patients from other hospitals to that hospital. We find out that it's like a cyber attack.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:11

Yep. And so they're going, they're pulling the the internet off and they're going analog, and that's where we left it at the end of this episode. So I'm hoping this is like the in la in season one we had the the sh the pitfest shooting. And so I'm assuming this is like the big inciting incident here in season two. Because going analog is going to be tough. Really crazy hard.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:34

I um hope that that is, because if the theories are correct, which I've had this theory and clearly everybody else has, uh a lot of people are really worried that Dr. Robbie's gonna clock out for a shift and get on his motorcycle without his helmet on and he's gonna be like the the the final boss patient. No, and I don't want that to happen. I want it to be a red herring.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:54

Here's the thing I don't think that's gonna happen. This the seasons of the pit are one episode or one episode is an hour for the day. Yeah. And there's 15 episodes. They don't work 15-hour shifts.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:05

Unless something happens.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:06

Unless something happens. So this event is gonna keep Robbie in the until the until the season is over. Robbie is not gonna leave at whatever time he's supposed to leave if this is still going on.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:19

Do we know who? Baby Jendo?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:21

Now, I wouldn't rule out Robbie getting on his motor motorcycle at the very end of the last episode, riding off to the sunset. You hear a crash. You hear a crash, and then we don't get to know anything until season three.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:32

And then season three could always start and it could be a year later, and he's recovering from the crash, and he gets to go on a strip.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:37

So, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:38

Um, I don't know if you heard me. Baby Jane Dell, do we know? Did we did we get any resolution on that? Nope.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:45

I think that's another like long like every the series is really interesting because they do have like their patients are essentially story arcs through the show. And some of them are here for only one episode, some of them are a couple episodes, and then you get a few that are kind of through the whole episode season. And I think that the baby Jane Doe is one of those ones that's gonna kind of be a through point for the whole series.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:06

And they're still doing good for another like I think if you don't have any knowledge of Pittsburgh, you'll enjoy the show. But for us, with our connection to Pittsburgh, the sprinkling of it, like the I don't know, I don't think we talked about this in the last podcast because it's been so long, but they had the the guys were branding themselves with their family crests, and he's like, Your family crest is the pins logo.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:26

Uh it was just it was good. I I think um everybody should watch The Pit. Everyone, go watch the pit. You won't regret it. You'll be sad, but you won't regret it.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:38

No, I agree completely. Um, hey everybody, that is it for this episode. We really appreciate everybody hanging in out there. I know we took a little bit of an extra break, but we've been tired and cold and all the things that February brings along with it. Um, but we appreciate you tuning in today, and we will talk to you next time.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:56

And I know I said that we would talk about his and hers, the Netflix mini-series the last time, but for the sake of time, you guys are just gonna have to wait for next week, and we'll talk about that. So again, go watch his and hers. We watch that on Netflix. You watch some of it, I watch some of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:13

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