88. Breaking Diet Culture: Carrie Lupoli on Beliefs & Blood Sugar

Ever catch yourself weighing yourself before you'll take a picture with your own kids, or quietly promising you'll "just" lose a few pounds before you let yourself feel good? 

If any of that sounds familiar, this episode is going to feel like a long exhale. I sat down with Carrie Lupoli, a behavior specialist turned nutrition and mindset expert, and we went deep into why so many of us, and so many of our daughters, carry a belief that our worth is tied to how we look. Carrie calls it "the corset," and once you see it, you can't unsee it.

What You'll Learn in This Episode:

• Why "calories in, calories out" is one of the most damaging myths in nutrition, and what actually drives lasting change in your body.
• How Carrie's own daughters taught her, at ages five and six, that she was modeling diet culture without ever saying the word "calories."
• The real reason 90% of diets and weight loss strategies fail, and why chasing weight loss instead of health gets you neither.
• A simple, sustainable approach to blood sugar balance (PFC3: protein, fat, and carb together every three hours) that works for adults and kids alike.
• Why a five-minute "morning time" practice built around gratitude, learning, and time blocking can be the difference between a regulated day and a reactive one.

About Carrie Lupoli:

 Carrie Lupoli spent 30 years as a behavior specialist working in schools, with parents, educators, and even corporations before turning that expertise toward nutrition and self-worth. After watching her own daughters absorb diet culture from her without her ever intending it, she went on a deep dive that led her to blood sugar science, behavior change, and ultimately her book, From Corset to Crown. She now works with tens of thousands of women through her practice and team of coaches.

Key Insights:

Carrie's biggest reframe is that the diet, weight loss, and food industries aren't designed for your best interest, they're designed to keep you coming back. That's why nearly every nutritional certification is built on deprivation and caloric restriction, even though nothing in the body thrives in a deficit. Her approach, PFC3, is built on eating protein, fat, and carbohydrates together every three hours to stabilize blood sugar, which she calls the body's love language.

We also talked about identity versus goals. Carrie's philosophy is that you'll always be "a person trying to lose weight" until you start living as the healthiest version of yourself and let the results follow, rather than chasing a number that was never really the point. And we connected this directly back to oral health, using the "put your own oxygen mask on first" idea to talk about why moms who won't floss for themselves need to understand what they're transmitting to their kids.

Connect With Carrie Lupoli:

 Instagram: @carrie_lupoli (https://www.instagram.com/carrie_lupoli/)
Website: https://www.carrielupoli.com/links
Book: From Corset to Crown (available for pre-order, releasing October, includes a free ebook and 10-episode private podcast masterclass for pre-orders)

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Welcome And Guest Introduction

Dr. Rachaele Carver 0:00

Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of The Root of the Matter, Oral Connection to Disease. I am your host, Dr. Rachel Carver, and today we have Carrie Lapoli, who is going to talk to us about nutrition and belief systems and really kind of uproot some of our thoughts around certain nutrition myths and stuff like this. So uh welcome, Carrie. Maybe tell us a little bit about your story.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

Thank you. I love that. It was like pun intended, right? We're gonna uproot all of the stuff that we have been told. That is exactly what I do. I am, I like to say I'm an untraditional nutritionist. First of all, it was never on my bingo card that I would ever be a nutritionist. If you had talked to me 15 years ago, you would have been like, this is the worst person ever to give me health advice, nutrition advice, all of that. I was actually a behavior specialist. I've been a behavior specialist for 30 years. I started off in school systems, became a national educational consultant, worked all around the world with parents, with educators, with prison systems, with corporate, all around how we change behaviors. And yet I was a woman, much like many other women, who had some of the worst behaviors when it came to her body. I was sucked into the whole diet culture. I had an eating disorder when I was in college. I was a

Diet Culture And The Pizza Moment

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Division I college athlete. And my biggest fear when I finished college was that I was gonna get fat. Because if I got fat, I would have no value. And that was just a belief that I had. I literally remember being in my college uh job at the end of my senior year, and they ordered pizza, and I could not eat the pizza. Like physically couldn't eat it. And I called my mom and I was like, mom, something's wrong with me. I like physically cannot open my mouth to eat the pizza. There's so much fear, I don't even know what it is. And she's like, Wait, you can't eat pizza. And I look back on that right now and I was like, wow, when I really think about the relationship I had with food and my body, it was so problematic. So it was actually no surprise that when my girls were five and six years old, 15 years ago, they started talking about calories and food. In fact, it was at a Family Friday pizza night where I didn't eat the pizza again. I had salad with dressing on the side. I ordered from the pizza place because I was very cognizant of making sure that I ate with my family. I just didn't eat the pizza. And my five-year-old said to my six-year-old, why does mommy never eat pizza? And my six-year-old said, Oh, because that's too many calories. And that that was like my my gut punch moment, really, where I was like, What am I doing? And I look back at it now and I think, well, I now I'm just really kind of mad now that I know everything that I know because this is all we teach women how to count calories, how to deprive, how to not eat, how to restrict, how, how to literally believe that our value is in 100% what we look like, and we have to, beauty hurts, and you're just gonna have to suck it up, buttercup. And what are we supposed to teach kids actually? If that's what we're like teaching, at what age is it appropriate to start telling your girls that you need to start counting calories and not having carbs and weighing yourself every day? So now I'm a little bit annoyed because I'm like, well, wait a minute, if this is what we teach women, of course this is what our kids learn. But it really was my moment in the sand where I was like, I have to figure this out. Yep.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 3:08

I mean, it's amazing. It's a great story, and it's it's always, you know, those children that give us that teaching that teaching moment. You're like, and you know, a lot of times, you know, my daughters will say something to me, and you know, one time, you know, it's mad because they weren't helping out around the house. You know, I'm like, I'm tired, you know, I work hard all day. My day is stressful. And my daughter said, Well, you chose it. And I was like, I can't argue with that. You know, I'm like, there's little snippets that come back, you're like, okay, yeah, you're right, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 3:34

I know, I know. Well, it is funny because you're a mirror. And I I I recently wrote a book and it's called From Corset to Crown. And essentially what I have realized over the years is we've all been handed a corset. I have a prediction, it's around seven, eight years old, when you start to realize from the world, from the other people in your life that are wearing the corset, that it's not enough to just be you, that you have to look a certain way, perform a certain way, you have to have a certain level of accomplishment and success in order to be valuable. And that corset is often put on us by somebody that we love unintentionally because they're wearing it and it, they've worn it for so long that it feels natural. It's just the way it is. And it gets to the point where, like many women, by the time they get to like their 50s, they're just like, I can't do this anymore. I can't breathe. But I realized in that moment I was actually putting the corset on my own kids. And that was the moment where I didn't call it that at the time, but I realized I had to do something. And because I was a behavior specialist, I knew enough about behaviors and how they related to our beliefs. Our thoughts and our beliefs dictate our actions. And so I was like, okay, wait a minute. I am clearly doing something that's communicating this to my kids, even though I'll tell you all day long I never said the word calories to them. But I was modeling for them like a mirror. And so I went on a really, really deep dive for many years to try to figure out not just what our bodies need, because I just kept thinking, this doesn't sound right. I would never tell my kids to do this. So what is it that I'm supposed to be doing? And that's when I realized the diet industry, the weight loss industry, the pharmaceutical industry, you as a doctor know this. Our healthcare system, our every the food processing industry, none of it is in business for us to get better, to get healthier, or for our best interest. It's absolutely there to keep us sick and dependent. And I it was in so much reading that I did, and it's all out there, but we are conditioned because we wear this corset to see only what we are conditioned to see. And so I really took a deep look at my behaviors that were formed from my beliefs and uh realized that the belief it's all a bunch of BS, but the BS that we really need, the BS that matters is our belief systems, behavioral science, and then blood sugar. And we don't realize that blood sugar is actually our body's love language. We just think eat less, move more. And it is the worst advice you could give to anybody. And as I try

The Corset We Inherit And Wear

SPEAKER_00 6:05

to find a way to learn more about it, I realized every single nutritional certification out there for any certified nutritionist bases it on deprivation and caloric restriction. And there's one, there's one out there that actually taught blood sugar stabilization. So I dug deep. It was, it was by a nutritionist named Mark McDonald, and I got certified stalking him to just learn more. And 10 years later, he's one of my best friends. He's my business partner. We have really worked hard together to be able to put what I do as a behavior specialist with what he figured out as a blood sugar expert into an approach that adults and kids can and should be doing.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 6:47

This is so valuable. And one of the reasons like I wanted you on because there's a lot to unpack here. So one thing I would say, no, it's it's awesome. It's so good. I'm like, oh, where to start? You know, I'm I'm building a course for for young kids, for moms, really, to help, you know, young kids grow up, you know, cavity-free, not needing braces, all these kind of things. And one of the key factors, because I'd have a lot of holistic moms come in and they say, I don't, I'm doing everything right. You know, why is my kid still getting these cavities? And, you know, over time, and then knowing myself as a mom too, you could look at the mom's nervous system, right? Because they felt overwhelmed. Like they felt like they were doing everything. There was all this fear and, you know, the whole nervous system a little bit out of balance. And as you just said, like you don't have to say anything to your children, right? We know, especially before the age seven, you know, I think that's a really important time frame that you said, because that's actually when our brain, right, changes consciousness levels. We get different we have different brain waves. I saw that in my younger daughter specifically. She was the happiest, easy to go luck. And when she was five, she won Miss Massachusetts. You know, she just had this energy. But you could see it happened like in third grade and right before COVID, too. Like she just she became more reserved, became suddenly more, you know, it's it's it's really interesting. The corset got put on her.

SPEAKER_00 8:04

Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly what happened. And that's what, but if we don't realize we're wearing it, and and here's here's the thing we make all of our decisions from the corset. I've worked with tens of thousands of women now, and really, they come to me because they're like, Carrie, tell me how to eat. I want to lose weight, all of this stuff. But at the end of the day, what they're really looking for is a peace within themselves. They want calm, they want balance, and they want freedom. And the pressure that they have to look a certain way is what they believe is truth. And so what I'll say to them, okay, why do you want to lose weight? And it is always because they say, like, I just want to be more confident. I want to feel better taking pictures in front of, like, in I was a mom that never took a picture in front of my kids unless a scale that day told me I was worthy. So I get it, but I I joke because my daughter, my youngest, who's almost 20, she's adopted. And we were living in Asia when we adopted her. And when she was three years old, we adopted her when she was 10 weeks old. The girl didn't speak a lick of Chinese, even though she's Chinese. She had said when we were going to China for a mission trip, she said, Mom and Dad, when I get to China, I will speak Chinese because I'm Chinese. So she thought if she landed in China, she was going to start speaking Chinese. And of course, we're like, okay, that's not gonna happen. You're so so cute. But we get, we literally, the second we land, she goes, Oh, I I can't speak Chinese. She was shocked, right? But this is what we do as women. We think if I can just lose 20 pounds, if I can just make a little bit more money, if I can just and we use that word just, and that tells us it's coming from a belief of lack, that we aren't enough. And just like Ellie wasn't gonna be able to speak Chinese the minute she landed in China, we can't just become confident, become peaceful, become free because we look a certain way. It's about who we are, and we will teach that to our kids because we can tell our children they are beautiful exactly the way they are. But if we don't believe that for ourselves, that will not translate. You cannot teach what you don't believe, and you can't change what you can't see. So until we realize that it starts with us in our own belief systems about what we want and truly why we want it, is it coming from ego or is it coming from heart? Our value was set the minute we were born. You look at a baby and you're like, this baby's got to do nothing. They are perfect. And something happened along the way that told us that wasn't enough. And these are all these lessons that I kind of learned as I was going through this. And I just think I had this really cool perspective as a behavior specialist because I just analyze behaviors and I know that there's a belief behind it. And, you know, like when you're driving in a GPS and it's like my kids were five and six. And so I was going down this journey of trying to figure out who the heck I was, what I wanted. I remember when I learned how to balance my blood sugar, my body changed dramatically. I got strong and lean and I like reached my goal weight. I hate that word now, but I I did. And I was more obsessed that my value was in what I looked like because everybody kept complimenting me. You know, like, oh, you look great. It's code for you look smaller, right? And so then

Why Eat Less Move More Fails

SPEAKER_00 11:10

I was like, I was savvy enough to know, okay, I'm not gonna weigh myself anymore. My my coach that I was working with with this Mark McDonald was like encouraging me not to use a scale. But I just replaced the obsession with the scale with the number, the amount of weight I was lifting in the gym until one day I got hurt, like so hurt that I couldn't move. And I realized, what am I doing this for? And the why becomes really important because we can make no decisions really truly that are going to get us to where we say we really want to be with peace, confidence, joy, calm, if we are not doing it from a place of heart. I now know, like I don't ever want my kids to have to take care of me when I'm older. I want to be able to fall and get up without breaking a bone. I want to be able to kick a soccer ball with my great grandkids when I'm my 80s, 90s, and 100s. But most importantly, it's not that I don't want to be a burden. I know that I'm here for a purpose because I was born worthy. And in order to serve my purpose for as long as possible, I have to be the healthiest version of myself for as long as possible. That drives me every day to show up when I don't want to show up. So I was like narrating this kind of stuff to my kids as I was sort of figuring it out. But you know, you have teenagers. You're like, I don't even know if any of this stuff is sticking. Right. And then COVID, my daughter was 16. We got an Amazon delivery box. And I opened it up because it was like one of, you know, 500 things that was delivered that day. And I was shocked by what I saw in the box. I didn't order this. It was a crown. And I yelled to my girls, I'm like, who ordered a crown? And Grace comes running down. She goes, I did. And I'm like, why? Why do you order a crown? She goes, Because I've decided that I'm royalty. I am worthy, and this is gonna remind me of that. What? I was like, my gosh. And so while I was working so hard to take off the corset, what I didn't realize was that we had to realize that we all are have the crown, like that crown of worthiness. I was just trying to like not be obsessed instead of actually being in love with myself and recognizing it. And it was my 16-year-old that taught me that. And this is a girl that didn't have a single friend at her 14th birthday party, had ADHD, and really struggled in school. She had a sweet voice, but never sang in front of people. And she bought herself a crown. And it was that day when she actually said, I'm gonna show up for myself. That crown was representative of her belief in herself. So she started not worrying about what everybody thought about her. She decided she knew who she was. She started auditioning for things. Like she never, she literally never sang in front of us, and she would start auditioning for roles. She ended up getting cast as Belle in Beauty and the Beast in her high school musical. And she ended up winning all sorts of crazy awards for it. And she then performed on Broadway and is now studying musical theater in conservatory in college, all because she made the decision that she was going to believe in herself. And that that just blew everything wide open. And that's why my book is called From Corset to Crown, because it's that journey that just played out in front of me over 15 years that just taught me while I was teaching women. It was funny because my cut my clients have been on this journey with me as we've been discovering it together. So I love that all of my clients work with me for a lifetime. And so I love that we've been discovering this together. And now that it's all in a book and we're we're sharing it, it's like it's a it's almost like a journey that most women, I think especially, but also men can really relate to because it all kind of makes sense, but I don't think we've ever seen it in in play out in that way.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 14:43

No, I and I think what you do is it's just so valuable, right? Because we can, we all know that, you know, broccoli is healthier than McDonald's hamburger, right? We all know that. We all know inherently. I used to teach this lecture about, you know, we got to get rid of this calories in, calories out. Like you have to show a slide. Like hundred calories of broccoli is not the same as a hundred calorie snack bag. I'm like every you can see this, right? You can imagine that your body's gonna utilize these things differently, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:10

You have to say that out loud, and people are like, oh yeah. Yeah, but that's not innate because the the diet and weight loss industry is a multi-billion dollar industry, and they're connected with the food industry. It's all connected. And they can say anything they want, and that filters into our brain as truth until somebody disrupts that messaging. And that's that's why we have to be doing this

Confidence Is Not A Finish Line

SPEAKER_00 15:35

kind of stuff. 100%.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 15:36

And and then some then we'll blame ourselves, right? I'm I'm just not motivated. I'm not, I could just, you know, I can't do it. But but again, it I love what you said about your purpose. Once you really believe, same same with me. Once I knew my purpose, that totally changed my life. You know, me getting eczema all over my hands was not like, oh, that's crappy luck. It was like my body, the universe was like, you're supposed to be, you need to shift gears, right? You're not supposed to be conventional dentistry. You know, you've always been an outside of the box thinker. And it was, it took that for me to be like, wait a minute, there's this whole other side, because I'm like, I'm not gonna be on steroids for the rest of my life. I was 30, you know, at the time. Like, that doesn't sound right, you know.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

No, but your your your doctor would tell you that it's totally fine.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 16:16

Absolutely, of course. Yeah. Suppress your immune system forever. Like it, you know, it kills me on the a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00 16:21

It's horrifying. No, don't worry about it. Totally fine. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that that's it, this is what so like women will say to me all the time, okay, Carrie, I love that you say I'm here for a purpose, but what's my purpose? But this is where and I write this. I'm like, right in my book, I have a whole section, what I call the purpose cycle. But I'm like, spoiler alert, your purpose is to serve others. That's it. Bam, that's it. It is not to put everybody else in front of you, because if you don't put on your own oxygen mask, it sounds so cliche, but literally, it's the only thing we agree on in this world, right? Like the only thing you can be anywhere in any place, any country, any language, the only thing we all will say, yes, this is true, is that you have to put your oxygen mask before saving someone else. There's not an airplane you will go on on any country that doesn't say that. So why is that? It's because you will die and be unable to save anybody if you don't put your own oxygen mask on. But we have, because of the corset, we have believed as moms that we have to sacrifice ourselves to show love to our kids because that makes us a good mom. And so the corset starts with us not being enough in terms of our physicality, but it moves on to overfunctioning, overperformance, the pressure, and just constantly feeling like we're not enough. And to your point, like about 100 calories in versus 100 calories out, to me, this is about this is my one life container. And I have a responsibility to it to be able to serve others. And that's my purpose. How I do it, honestly, it just depends the stage of life I'm in. I used to be an educational consultant. I thought I was gonna do that forever. I was like, this is my purpose. This is what I'm supposed to be doing. And then it was a square peg and a round hole. I had a disruptive event that happened in my life that made me question everything I was doing. I was traveling two weeks a month. My kids were with my mother-in-law more than they were with me, and they were in middle school. And they needed me more, I think, then, than they even did when they were little. And I was like, I gotta, I gotta quit. And that's when I really took my private practice full time. But that disruptive event reinvents you, and then you have a new calling. And that's when I started really diving into this work and that calling is to serve others. And so whether you're a Walmart server or you're a stay-at-home mom or you're a corporate executive, or maybe all three of those in your lifetime, the point is you are serving others during that space. And with every opportunity to be disrupted, like massive eczema, my kids talking about calories and pizza, traumatic event, it changes you and it gets you deeper into your purpose. So I very much believe it's all related. And if like I can teach people how to eat, I literally can teach somebody how to balance your blood sugar in a 30-minute conversation that you can do for the rest of your life, that your kids could do with you, and that you could literally see more results than in any diet ever. But you're not gonna do it. You're not gonna do it if you don't have the foundation of knowing who you are, what you want, why you want it, and recognizing the behavioral science of our brain. Our brain doesn't like to do new things. And if anything we do is new, our brain's gonna be like, whoa, this is not safe. And we just don't know that. So we think whenever we try something new, we don't stick with it, there's something wrong with us. It's just the way our brain is wired, and we just have to learn how to rewire it.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 19:37

It's funny that you bring up the plain story because I literally had that conversation yesterday with a patient, and uh, she's a mom, she had three kids, like under three, brand new baby, and you know, she her gums were a mess, you know, and she's like, Oh, well, I just haven't been flossing. And I said, Well, you know that saying how we've got to put our own oxygen mask on first. I'm like, you know, you, you know, with a baby, you may be sharing spoons and you know, you're kissing your baby all the time. So you have to know that you can be transmitting all of that unhealthy bacteria right to your baby. So, like, you But is it wait a minute, right?

SPEAKER_00 20:08

Isn't that crazy that you have to almost convince her to do it for her kid? Yeah, but not for her, right? I mean, I have to do this all the time. I'm like, if like if you could teach this to your kid or your husband or whatever, then they're like, okay, I could kind of justify spending time on myself or money on myself. And this is the corset talking. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but like that is a perfect example of how we have to like get this across to women when I just want to be like, you're worth it. Spend the time flossing your teeth because your teeth, your mouth, your body is worth it. You were put here for a purpose. Don't, don't destroy that. Anyway, I get on my soapbox about that.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 20:48

No, but I mean, it's true. And again, like, and I'll have moms come in and you know, they'll they'll be like, Well, you know, I it's too much of a frustration, you know, my kid won't let me brush their teeth. And I'm like, like, your kid is two. I was like, listen, I had to straddle my kids when they were that age, but I didn't have to do it for very long because once they knew that I was dedicated to making sure they had a healthy mouth, they weren't gonna fight. I was like, same thing with a seatbelt in the car seat. Like, you don't customize on that, and then they stop fighting after a while because they know you're not gonna give in, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:16

And I said Well, and if you give in once, this is a behavior specialist person, you've told them that the possibility of giving in is so like interesting. But you bring up a good point because uh one of my coaches, all of my team, I have 40 people on my team, and all of them were clients, and they all were like, I have to help women. So they're either coaches or they work on the back end or you know, something like that. And one of my coaches said to me, or said to a woman that she was talking to about working with us, she was feeling really downtrodden that she didn't know this stuff, and she felt really guilty that she uh feels like this is information she could have known if she had done a little digging. And she was like, It's not your fault. We should have been taught this when we're kids, but we're not taught any of this stuff when it comes to blood sugar or just understanding how food works in our body. Most people have no idea what a protein, a fat, and a carbohydrate is. All food in our world is either a protein, fat, or carb or a carb combination. People are so afraid of carbohydrates, but they're also fruit. Like we just don't get it. So when Tara, my coach, said that to me, she she or said that to the woman, she called me and she goes, Why are we not teaching this to kids? Because there's not a single nutritional approach out there that any woman is doing, truly, that you could and should teach to your kids. If you are restricting in any sort of way, you wouldn't do that to your kids. So you got to ask yourself why you're doing it. Our bodies are physiologically the same. So it's funny that Tara said that. It was about a year ago. And I said, she's like, we need to do this. We need to do this with kids. So we do the name of our approach when it comes to blood sugar stabilization is called PFC3. It's eating a protein-fine carb every three hours. That's literally it. It's so simple. Our macronutrients were meant to be eaten together. A carbohydrate will spike our blood sugar, but it also gives us the energy we need. And the carbohydrates our body loves are fruits and vegetables. But we can't be afraid of other foods because then that just perseverates the belief that food has power over us. But if we have a carbohydrate, it will spike our blood sugar. It wreaks all sorts of havoc on our body. But if we eat a protein with and with the carbohydrate, that actually keeps our body from having to over-release insulin. It mitigates a spike, it fuels our muscles. And when we have a fat at the same time, it actually fuels our brain, cushions our organs, slows down our digestion. The three were meant to be eaten together. And if we are always just about ready to eat and satisfied, and we eat about every three hours based on how our body is telling us it's hungry, we're never too hungry, never too full, our blood sugar stays stable. We literally do not have to miss out on any food. Because think about it. And I'm not like, I don't eat Cheetos, to be honest with you. But when I first learned this, I was not the healthiest version of me. And I was like, how can I go to Taco Bell and still balance my blood sugar? That was like my thing. Now you would never find me at Taco Bell, but I like to meet everybody where they are. So I'm like, if you love Cheetos, understand that's a fat and a carb. Have some protein with it. Now we're gonna evolve from believing that like Cheetos is not really serving my body and I want to serve my body more than I serve my soul. But when we're talking to kids, we we can say the same thing. We call them the PFC PALs and teach them about protein, fats, and carbs, and pals stick together for a reason. When pals stick together, you can do all sorts of great things. And so when you keep your pals together, you're super fueled and super cool and super smart. And so we have an entire book and school program around the same exact concepts

Blood Sugar Basics And PFC3

SPEAKER_00 24:35

I teach adults. And doesn't that make sense so that the stuff that you're doing as an adult, you can and should teach to your kids, just like you're talking about with dental hygiene, finances. Like I love the Dave Ramsey approach of finances, and there's a kid version. It doesn't look exactly the same as the adult version, but it grows and evolves into that. And when kids understand why it's important and how it benefits them, they want to make better choices. Absolutely.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 25:01

You know, I've used my kids went to uh their elementary school, it was a private school, so they allowed all sorts of interesting things. And I used to go in and teach every grade, you know, that's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. About things because, you know, they're not getting. And my daughter in high school was taking a health class and I was looking over her notes one day and I was reading it, I was like, so I wrote to the teacher, I'm like, this actually isn't true. You know, I was like, yeah, here's some information maybe you want to read, you know, trying not to be that annoying person. But but you know, I want my kids to learn the the right stuff. And you know, so much of the stuff that they learn is, you know, you know, not true outdated.

SPEAKER_00 25:37

It's atrocious. It's like it's just atrocious. So this is why I realize we have we have to do we have to do this. So from kids to adults, like the way that we feel our bodies, think about our lives, understand our worth, the messaging should be there from the beginning, and we can take off the corset when the kids are little. Yeah. But I will say it's an act, it's an active act, a daily act. Absolutely. Take off the corset and replace it with the crown.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 26:03

And I see, you know, we're using two teenage daughters now. What I see is they weigh under eat, you know, that they have this consciousness from a lot from social media because you're not. I'm not seeing it modeled from me, you know. And but I was like, oh my gosh, like you gotta eat breakfast. I'm like, how do you expect to learn anything? How do you expect your brain to have any fuel? You know?

SPEAKER_00 26:21

Uh it's so because because their belief system sits around the their look of their body being the most important thing. And this is why I was on the Today Show and Jenna Bush-Hager had said to me, My mother, Laura Bush, had never purposely never talked to us about weight or dieting or anything like that. But when she was eight years old, she wrote in her diary, I need to lose six pounds. She goes, Where did that come from? And I said, That's the thing. As parents, we need to be the loudest voice because the culture will dictate the the corset. It will stitch it on to them. And so having the hard conversations, talking about your own struggles, but here's the thing: you can't be the loudest voice if you're not figuring out how to take off your own corset. Because your voice will just perseverate what the culture is telling us. We cannot change what we cannot see. And so while we don't want our girls to grow up or our boys to grow up with certain beliefs, if we don't actually question our own, then it's inevitable. Absolutely.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 27:23

And as we were saying earlier, you know, those first few years are very formative. And a kid, you know, we mentioned right before we started recording, like about the filters, right? We all kind of develop these filters. And I was saying to Carrie, you know, my daughter and I can listen to the same conversation, and she takes away something completely different just because of her own belief systems and her filters that she has developed over the 15 years. And it's to me, it's mind-boggling like, whoa, how did you, you know, get that? But again, as moms, we have to understand that that our actions will speak louder than words when we are young. Our behaviors that the kids, you know, they may not have a fully functioning prefrontal cortex yet, but they feel the energy of those things. That's why I always say to say, you know, I feel like I did it wrong at the beginning. That my my fear and worry after as I was learning these nutritional things, that I was putting it on my kids. Like, if you don't do this, there's gonna be a dire consequence. Instead of saying, Hey, guess what I learned today? I'm gonna try to do this. Hey, let's try to pick, you know, eat the rainbow this week or whatever, instead of making it, you know, I made it too fear-based. And so of course, my kids, you know, will rebel and I would find, you know, treasure troves of the supplements, you know, hidden in a tissue box or something, you know, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Well, that's why, I mean, my daughter came to me and she was probably like 11 or 12, and she's like, I'm just so afraid not to eat protein. And I'm like, oh gosh, like I didn't realize when I was trying to keep her pals together that I was like making her freak out. And that's why I got real intentional when I developed our children's program about how we were positioning this. You can up level, but you're not bad or ashamed if you don't keep your pals together, but also a lot of language for parents as well. Because, like you said, the filter matters. It's funny because when Grace, the one that bought herself a crown, this is when she was 16. But when she was 16, she was also buying herself a car. And she said she wanted a Subaru Crosstrack. And I was like, I've never seen a Subaru Crosstrack. And my husband's like, You've definitely seen one. I said, I've definitely not seen one. So he shows me a picture and I'm like, cute car. I've never seen one. And so he's like, All right, whatever. I go out to the grocery store that day, and what do I see all around town, everywhere? I call my husband, I'm like, everybody bought a Subaru Cross track today. Like, it's crazy. And the thing is, our brain filters out millions and millions of pieces of information and it will show us what we tell it to. And so our thoughts can absolutely be controlled. Sometimes our feelings can't, but our thoughts can be. And if we keep telling ourselves certain things, our brain is going to show us it evidence of that being true, which is why two people can listen to a certain story, podcast, book, and have two completely different perspectives on it, because one's got a Subaru Crosstrack in her inner brain and the other one's got a Buick Sentry in her inner brain. And so whatever it is that you're putting in front of you is what you are going to see reinforced by your brain over and over and over again. And so remember, it was that moment with the Subaru Crosstrack where I was like, this is so interesting in terms of what I am putting in front of my kid, but what they're putting in front of their own selves with social media. And the loudest voice will win because that's what filters in the brain. But loud and fear-based are two very different things. It's just like I always say you can't brush your teeth 60 times in a month and think, or 60 times at the beginning of the month and think you've brushed it for the day. It's a little bit every day. So I think the messaging is about consistency over time because that's what builds trust. It's positive interactions consistently over time. And so if we want to build trust with our kids or with our body, that's how we have to show up. I I love that. Positive interactions consistently over time.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 30:52

Over time. And that's what builds. Yeah. I would say that all the time. I was like, I think the key to parenting really is consistency, you know?

SPEAKER_00 31:00

For consistency positive, because we can consistently do negative and it will do the same thing. We're always in a 1% inc incline or an 1% decline. So if we want trust, that formula to me is just so important. Positive interactions plus consistency over time. It's like a math equation. It is. I love it.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 31:19

So, so important. Because I mean, today I really struggle with, you know, restricting my kids' time on the phone and that, you know, I I wish they didn't even have them, you know, but it's like this is reality. So this, this is, I think, something that's really hopeful. Like they can be on it a certain amount

Filters Social Media And The Loudest Voice

Dr. Rachaele Carver 31:35

of time as long as you're, you know, putting in that time daily, right? Like, like you said, the loudest voice. I think that, you know, to me that really rings true. It's like, okay, don't let a day go by where you don't even, you know, now they're teenagers, they're driving, they're passing me by, you know, but having that daily daily consistency of checking, checking in.

SPEAKER_00 31:53

Yeah. I mean, we even now, my kids don't live at home anymore. They're in school and we do check-ins every night over text as a family. We do dinner whenever we can. We talk about, we we do Zoom dinners, we we talk whenever we can. But you know, I I I when I used to drive my kids, I used to purposely listen to podcasts while I was driving them, right? Just to have it in the background and like planting seeds, but that's the time they'll often talk to us. There's a really great book called Untangled by my gosh. I I I this book I'm like obsessed with all the time. Gosh, Lisa Damore. I've watched her speak so many times and she talks about raising girls. That's her expertise. And really is like when they're ready to talk, they're gonna come to you, and that's gonna be the moment you know that there is trust there. But it's not gonna be consistent. It's gonna show up at different times and you're ready for it, but you're not pouncing. You're just asking questions and letting them process through. And what I have learned is in from about two to 12 years old, you are their teacher. From 13 to 16, 17, you're their model. And that's where the modeling of what you believe or don't believe is gonna really matter. From 17 to about 20, you're their coach. And then from about 21 onward, you're their mentor. And I think that there's a role for us, regardless of the age, to be able to impact them in such a positive way. But if you don't got your stuff together, it's gonna be really hard to teach them because the hypocrisy will be very evident to the kids. They'll know if you're being a hypocrite. Absolutely.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 33:23

And so, you know, so if we have the thought, you know, okay, I want to lose weight, what is what's the like the first step? How do we change our behaviors? Because you can think, okay, I'm, you know, right in January, everybody's gonna go to the gym and they're gonna get healthier and they all, you know, 90% will fall off the wagon.

SPEAKER_00 33:39

So, you know, how do you coach people to, you know, so first of all, the opposite of weight gain is not weight loss. That is our first worst terrible misconception because you could have somebody that has cancer and they've lost a lot of weight doesn't mean they're healthy. You gotta ask yourself, what do you really want? Do you want weight loss or do you want health? If you go after weight loss, you'll get neither. If you go after health, you'll get both. But what does healthy mean? And I we don't set goals with my clients at all. The very first thing they do is they look at what they want and why do they want it, truly. And then set a blueprint. So I actually take a piece of paper and put it in four corners. There's a download from my book that you can just grab on my website for this, but you don't even need the form. You can just literally take a piece of paper and divide it into four and identify. And this is something I literally added to this yesterday for myself. And I've been doing this for a decade because this will always evolve. What does the healthiest version of me do, say, think, and believe? Do, say, think, and believe. This becomes our North Star because I hate to say it to people, but if you want to lose 20 pounds, you have no control over that goal. Zero. You have control over behaviors that could eventually get to you to an outcome, but you have no idea if 20 pounds is your optimal weight. That's just a number you put in your head. So we're gonna divorce ourselves from the results because the goal is to become the healthiest version of myself, not to weigh a certain amount so I can believe that I am now valuable, but because I am valuable, I am going to show up for myself because I love myself. This is the other thing. People enter into a new plan out of frustration with themselves. And I always say if you want to fix a relationship with someone, but you are so frustrated with them and you deprive them from you, you restrict them, you yell at them, you're abusive to them. You're never gonna fix that relationship. So when we walk into a new new year, new you kind of mindset, because we're so disgusted with ourselves, it's not gonna go well. You've got to walk into this new decision to show up for yourself because you love yourself too much not to. And you are going to demand high expectations for yourself, not perfection, but in some way, shape, or form, because you know what the healthiest version of you does, says, thinks, and believes, you're going to aim to be that person. This is about identity. If you are a person trying to lose weight, you will always be a person trying to lose weight. But if you are a person who lives as the healthiest version of yourself, that is who you will be. Weight becomes a byproduct of that. Now, does everybody know what they're doing? No. There are things that we do that are sabotaging our health and therefore making weight loss very, very hard. So the three questions I always say before you start any nutritional approach is one, is it based in science designed for your body to thrive? Nothing thrives in a deficit. Nothing. I think that the one of the worst things we've ever done is said the word caloric deficit because the minute you put yourself at what you believe is a caloric deficit, it's literally impossible to do that math because you really don't know what calories out looks like in your own body. It has to do with your gut health, your stress, not just your exercise. But if you say deficit to a woman and she's not losing weight, what is she gonna do? She's just gonna keep eating less and eating less and eating less. We need the right amount of food. So is it based in science designed for your body to thrive? If if it's anything that the diet industry has told you to do, I that you have to restrict, I guarantee you it's not designed for your body to thrive. Number two, can you do it for the rest of your life? How you lose weight has to be how you maintain it. And if you're doing something that you can only do for 30 days because it's absolutely impossible, you can't do this on vacation, you can't do this when you're stressed, it's not gonna work. And number three, would you let your kids do what you're doing? And if you wouldn't let your kids do what you're doing, you shouldn't be doing it either. So there's only one approach that I know that actually allows people to do that. That's what I write about in my book. That's what we call PFC3. But it is more than eating. It's about literally how you move your body. It is, I call the six spinning plates: nutrition, movement, hydration, sleep, stress, and supplementation. And all of those spinning plates have to get spinning at some point, none of them perfectly. But once you get one plate spinning, another one often happens. Like the minute you start balancing your blood sugar, you sleep better. And it's really powerful. So we have to understand our bodies, understand food, and just run it through that, those three questions before you do anything. I love that.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 38:03

And especially the one you're talking about with the identity, right? If you're always trying, you know, you're always wishing for something, then you're always gonna be wishing for something because that is your problem.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

That has to do with what you were talking about, like your nervous system. We literally have like a uh a set point in a way of what we've ever done. We've only ever hit a certain level of success. And anything above that, our brain looks at as foreign. I say this. From your neck up, your brain wants to keep you safe. From your neck down, your body really does want you to be healthy. Your body will sing when you start doing things for it that it loves, but your brain will rebel because your brain doesn't care if you're on a health plan. Your brain cares about being safe. Safe for your brain means familiar, comfortable, like being in your bed with your soft covers. You're not getting anything done, but it's comfortable. And so you almost have a battle of the wills between your body and your brain, but your brain will almost always, because it's just so powerful, win out. But if we are self-aware of this, I would say self-consciousness is a disease, self-awareness is health. If we are aware that our brain cannot process you going above the highest level of success you've ever seen, you're never going to actually be able to have peace, calm, joy, freedom if you've never experienced it, if you're not self-aware. That's that's so important too.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 39:19

I know, you know, with my older daughter who suffers with a lot of anxiety. She doesn't like to do new things. And I'm like, ugh, you know, but I was away earlier this year on a bunch of conferences and being away from me, and then she was she started doing all these fantastic things. And I was like, oh, see, like she's able, she doesn't need to be handheld, but when she's in that safe environment, she doesn't feel the need to get out. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:43

Well, I will tell you, I never thought my daughter could live on her own, but she's doing great. But I do call it's called the cycle of self-protection, and it's a cycle that we all have. Our brain just it's like an elastic band. It just wants to go back to its regular form. So the more we stretch it, you know, the more it's it's always gonna want to go back. So we if we are aware of that though, it changes everything. Self-awareness is the key because you cannot

Identity Based Health And Brain Safety

SPEAKER_00 40:05

change what you can't see.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 40:06

I had for many, many years when she was little, this little sign in her room that said, we can achieve all of our dreams if we have the courage to pursue them. You know, like subtly when she was little, I had all these kind of you know, affirmation type of things in her room to like, you know, see I have one thing's, you know, you know, smart girls or girls can do hard things. And I'm like, you can do hard things.

SPEAKER_00 40:25

Yeah, but it's it's I used to get t-shirts with that stuff on it. But at the end of the day, we we go with our feelings and we don't realize that our feelings are fickle. And so fear sits into like I always say, if you let fear drive, it'll never leave the driveway. And so so often all of this stuff is just based in fear. Yeah. And we have a fear of success, we have a fear of failure. But I we actually have in my private practice, we have lots of merch and swag that's inspirational. And one of them is a sweatshirt that says fear less. Not being fearless, but actually fearing less, because fear deserves a place in our lives, but it can't make all the decisions for us. And I think that's what it's been doing. We allow fear to make decisions as opposed to us battling through that feeling. Well, I mean, that was COVID. That was all based around fear. But you know what I will say is, you know, like talking about change and making a change, I find that to be an incredible study in in human behavior because why did the entire world put masks on? There was a very big, now not true, but there was a very big why. It was a very powerful why. It was based in fear and all of that, but a strong why will change behavior. And so that's why I want us to get to a place of a very meaningful why, because motivation is not a strategy. And that's what we've been relying on. The corset has told us when you are motivated, this is what you're gonna do. But the diet industry has made us believe that when we are not perfect, we are the failure. So we keep going back to them. It's crazy. It's a 90% failure rate in all diet and weight loss strategies through deprivation and restriction. I mean, that's what the weight loss shot is. It's just we're just not gonna eat.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:11

And yet we don't realize that we just keep we we have been marketed to to believe that it was our fault because we couldn't be perfect at it. And then we keep buying more and more and more and more. And we make decisions because the course has told us it's right. And if we actually made decisions from the crown of self-worth, it everything would change.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 42:31

Absolutely. So, how do we like in these young girls, in even maybe women in their 40s who have had this self-worth doubt, you know, for decades, how do we start to help these people see their own worth? I mean, your daughter, that's such an amazing story that she just was like, you know what, this this is how I'm gonna be. But some women have lived in this cycle for so long for being so, you know, I'm not worthy. I mean, I think so many people who are overweight, you know, there are a lot of factors, but the people who have a hard time losing it, there is there's always that trauma and that unworthiness at the root of it. And that's why they struggled their whole life. So, how do we make people feel worthy?

SPEAKER_00 43:09

It is, and they have believed the diet industry lies about how to lose weight, and it's designed to make us stuck. So it's just been this horrible cycle that perseverates, it like builds on itself. With every failed attempt, we hate ourselves more, but the attempts were never made to make you successful. It's like diet culture has put us in a cage and then blames us for not flying. So we have to get out of that world first. But the thing that I will say all day long is we can have lots of information, and information doesn't change anything, it's application of it. So we we run our lives like a CVS to do receipt, right? Like our receipt list, the receipt is like a mile long, and we just go, go, go, go, go. We never actually take time to figure this out. Who are we? What do I need? What do I want? Like we we don't take the time. So everyone's like, what can I do to actually change this? Well, first of all, it's got to be giving yourself some space and time. So morning time to me is the most important time of any person's day. It's a

Morning Time Protocol For Consistency

SPEAKER_00 44:15

staff meeting with yourself. It's a chance for you to reset and realign your intentions with your actions. If we don't spend, and I have a protocol for morning time and I'm talking about five minutes with yourself doing three very specific things, then you are going to get sucked into it all. I joke that in my old house I had these cushions by my pool. And every single day, once the spring summer came, the same bird would poop on my cushion every single day. I'd have to clean it up. My husband worked for a cleaning company, so we had microfibers. Every day I'd clean it up. And if I could clean it up every day, it wasn't that big of a deal. But if I left it, if I went away and added up, it was gross and it was stained. Well, we have to think about life every day. It's like bird is gonna poop on us. Crap is gonna happen. And if we can show up every single morning to wipe the bird poop off, reflect on our choices the day before, what is the healthiest version? I mean, do you say, think, and believe? Did I show up as that woman yesterday? What does my day look like today? How am I gonna show up as her in some way, shape, or form? And if we can do that every day, essentially wipe the bird poop off, we never get that far off track. We always know who we are and if we're aligning with that definition. And so that is literally the very, very, very first thing. And it is the thing that needs to continue. I've worked with tens of thousands of women, and if they've ever fallen off, I call the consistency train, the first question I ask is, are you doing your morning time? And the answer is always no. And that there is it. Now, morning time is not just drinking coffee and scrolling, it's actually doing what I call three things, getting grounded in gratitude. Really, I have all sorts of science in my book about why gratitude matters so much. But if you are living an abundance of your own life and really recognizing how grateful you are for what you have and not focusing on what you don't have, it's a subaru cross track. You start filtering that and your brain starts to see that. And two is learning something new. I go live every single morning on Instagram actually at 8 a.m. to be able to teach something new 10 minutes a day. Or, but I always I'm reading a nonfiction book, listening to a podcast, doing a course, just even for a couple of minutes, because new in your brain starts to become okay when you start to learn new things and you start to problem solve differently. And the third part of morning time is time blocking, actually figuring out what are the most important things that I have to get done today, putting them in my schedule. And if I don't have time to do it and it doesn't fit in my schedule, I gotta let it go. Or I gotta move things around, but no more feeling like a failure because I have a CVS receipt list and I wasn't able to get it all done.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 46:42

Carrie, this is there's been so many amazing nuggets in this podcast. Like I've been taking notes furiously, you know, but I'm like, just so many good things like that I want to just pull out, like just awesome. I think that it's so true about the morning thing because that is like you're setting your day. I know, like if I don't spend my 10 minutes doing qigong or a little breathing, something like my nervous system's already up here. And then I gotta go to a day of work and like forget it. I'm gonna be a beast. Like that so, so, so, so important.

SPEAKER_00 47:09

And but I have found that when you're really intentional, like I work out after that, those three things are like everybody can do it. You can take two minutes to do each one if you need to do it quickly, five minutes if you need to have a little more time. I'm up to 45 minutes, 15 minutes for each thing. And my clients are like, I can't function during the day if I don't do that.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 47:28

It's so true. So true.

SPEAKER_00 47:29

And then everything else that you can do is going to be just icing on the cake. Yeah.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 47:33

And and again, like we said, you know, people will say, I don't have time for that. You know, I mean, I I actually get up at 5 30 in the morning. I don't have to leave to work till 7 30, but I need that two hours because I need that time to myself because I have to do those things so that I can show up for myself, my kids, my patients. You know, it's it's there's that's always an excuse. Like there's not time. Well, we're just not valuing and prioritizing. So I love that like timing.

SPEAKER_00 47:55

Yeah, we prioritize what's most important. And I have worked with there isn't a single career I haven't worked with. I have worked with tens of thousands of people. I promise you, if you if it's important enough to you, you'll find the time. If you don't, you you you don't get to call victim. You just don't. No, so I always like I'm gonna I'm your friend is gonna tell you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear. And like I'm over the excuses. Like if you say you, if you want what you say you want, you're gonna have to do something different to get something different. So stop thinking you're gonna be able to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. It's just crazy.

SPEAKER_02 48:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:24

But I'm not asking for I'm not asking you to work out an hour every day. I'm asking you to sit down and have a meeting with yourself every day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:30

Can you imagine if like you're married and never sat down and talked to your spouse? Like we don't realize a relationship with ourselves is cultivated just like any other relationship. So we gotta stop acting like it's a separate thing or that it's not necessary.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 48:44

And I think we we, you know, speaking briefly about relationships, we often want to blame the other person for the relationship being in the state that it is when, you know, really we've got to first reflect on ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 48:54

Like, you know, we're well and our body has been trying to be its best friend. Yeah. Like we lit, our body is responding to the input that we're giving it. And it's like absolutely amazing that it still shows up for us with all this love and desire to serve. And like we, this is where gratitude comes in. We again enter in often with frustration. We're so mad at our bodies, but in all reality, let's appreciate what it's been doing. And maybe, maybe what you've been choosing to do is causing some of the problems.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 49:25

I I got a grade I bought in Target a few years ago was a little wooden tree, and it came with leaves, and it was a gratitude tree. So my kids, like if in order before they could get their phones in the morning, they had to write a little thing about gratitude and put it on the tree. It was a great visual thing, right? Yeah, in order to get the phone, they actually had to, you know, and try to and we used all the leaves, and I'm like, yeah, I had to pull that thing back out again because I thought it was really great. It worked so well and it was something, and it was right in our kitchen. So we saw it all the time when we were eating dinner. It was there.

SPEAKER_00 49:56

So we also had a really big whiteboard, and we would write something up on the whiteboard too. There's like yeah, lots of ways to do it. 100%.

Where To Find Carrie And Next Steps

Dr. Rachaele Carver 50:05

Well, tell us how we can find out more about you, how we can, what's your Instagram, all that good stuff.

SPEAKER_00 50:09

So that's doing Instagram, uh, everything. If you just kind of go after Carrie Lapoli. Carrie spelled like Carrie Bradshaw or Carrie Underwood. And uh, my book is CarrieLapoli.com. You can get the book. It's actually available for pre-order, and it's not coming out technically till October. But my publisher, who's absolutely amazing, said if people pre-order the book, we will give you an ebook version of it immediately for free. So you can do that. Plus, you get, I have a 10-episode kind of masterclass private podcast along with a few other bonus goodies. So there's that. Instagram is at Carrie underscore Lapulia. I go live every morning at 8 a.m. Eastern time to do morning time Monday through Friday because I just really am I'm so obsessed with how important it is that I just show up to to teach. And so go do that. Just, you know, any of those things would be great.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 51:01

Awesome. Well, thank you so much for giving us so much good information. And again, like uh there's just so much goes into how our behaviors, you know, we want to achieve a certain goal, you know, we gotta really think about that, the mindset. And and you know, we've got wonderful people like Carrie and all of her coaches to, you know, help us get there. So again, thank you for all that you do. And I hope everybody really enjoyed this episode, and we'll see you on the next one.

SPEAKER_02 51:25

Thanks.

Dr. Rachaele Carver 51:30

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