Before we dive in, a heartfelt tribute... At the request of my guest Chris Saraceno, I want to take a moment to honor someone who’s had a deep and lasting impact on both of our lives — Frank Marr.

 Frank has been a mentor, a friend, and a guiding voice for decades at the Kelly Automotive Group. His wisdom, loyalty, and unwavering support have helped shape who we are as leaders and as people. While his name wasn’t mentioned in the original conversation, his influence runs through every part of this episode. Frank, this one’s for you. 

In this episode, my guest is Chris Saraceno, Vice President and Partner at Kelly Automotive Group, and the author of The Theory of Five — a framework that’s been quietly transforming how top performers live and lead.

We talk about the five key areas that shape a fulfilling life — faith, relationships, parenting, finance, and health — and the five people you spend the most time with that either pull you forward or hold you back.

But this isn’t just theory.

Chris shares real-life stories and practical questions you can ask yourself right now to take stock of where you’re at and who you’re becoming. We break down:

• How to find mentors in every area of your life (and why you don’t need just one)
• The link between your personal health and your professional success
• Why the people closest to you might be keeping you stuck — and how to shift that dynamic
• And how middle managers in dealerships (or any organization) can grow beyond the grind

You’ll also hear why consistency matters more than intensity, why emotional intelligence is your secret weapon, and how asking the right questions leads to breakthrough.

This episode is full of honest insights and actionable takeaways — especially if you’re ready to stop drifting and start building a life that matters.

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