Think Like Christ, Live With Purpose

What if faith didn’t stop at inspiration and actually changed the way we live, decide, and love? We sit down with Reverend Simone Oliver—author, educator, minister, and life coach—to explore how practical discipleship turns belief into daily action. From a career in interior design to the classroom and then seminary, Simone’s story shows that callings can emerge in chapters, each one clarified by obedience and the steady work of the Holy Spirit.

We dig into the mechanics of thinking like Christ: pausing before reacting, managing emotions with spiritual discernment, and asking the unglamorous, vital question—what would Jesus do here? Simone reframes the Holy Spirit as comforter, advocate, and strategist, not merely a spark for Sunday excitement. The conversation moves into her book The Pearl of God’s Eye, where she gives women in Scripture a fuller voice and connects their stories to modern realities: domestic violence, sexual assault, single motherhood, and the silencing many encounter in church life. Her approach is restorative and disruptive in the best way, inviting communities to make room for gifts that often go overlooked.

With unflinching honesty, Simone shares survivor wisdom on safety, leaving abuse, and why it can take multiple attempts to break free. We pair that with a nurse’s lens on compassion with boundaries—how truth, accountability, and care can coexist. You’ll hear how to cultivate safe spaces, use spiritual practices that heal, and build rhythms of reading, prayer, and action that hold when emotions surge. We close with resources: her books and workbook, where to find her online, and upcoming events focused on Bible-rooted responses to domestic violence and moving from healing to wholeness.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Hello everyone. This is Carolyn Coleman. Thank you for coming on to Gentry's Journey. Our honored guest today is Reverend Simone Oliver. She is an author, an educator, a minister, and a life coach. So, welcome to the stage. Thank you so much for coming. And um I will let you introduce yourself, please, ma'am.

SPEAKER_00 0:30

Well, first of all, thank you for having me. I'm honored to be on your podcast. It was um a wonderful thing to meet you and connect with you at the library.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 0:41

And um, as you said, I am a minister, uh, a life coach, an educator, and um an author. I have a husband and a daughter, and um a recent transplant to um Alabama. We've been here for this will be our fourth year, so that we've called Alabama home. So we're happy to be here by way of New Jersey.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

Yeah, I was gonna ask you, how did you get from Jersey to Alabama?

SPEAKER_00 1:14

Well, um, my father-in-law is from Alabama, and he retired here once he left New Jersey. And so as we as he got older, we wanted to be closer to him, and my sister was in Tennessee, and so we thought it would be best to move to Alabama, be close to both of them.

From New Jersey To Alabama

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Well, that sounds great. Um, I have relatives in T-Nack. Um yes, yes, and uh visited them several years ago, so it was it was wonderful just being out that way. Um, I enjoyed what Jersey had to offer. Uh the transit system was great, and then driving, um taking transit into New York, I just enjoyed their entire experience. So, yes. I mean, y'all, you you guys kind of have everything at your fingertips. Now you can keep the cold weather, but I'm sure you were more than welcome and or surprised at our winter that we had last year and this year. Yes. So we wanted to make you feel at home. I think that was it, okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

You have succeeded.

Career Pivot: Design To Teaching

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Okay. Now that was what my biggest thing. Oh, wow. Oh, Jersey? Okay, okay. We got this. We got this. Um, so tell me how did you get started? Your educational background into your divinity degree.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

Um, what what put you on that path?

SPEAKER_00 2:58

Well, the Lord put me on the path to both of them, actually. Um, I did my undergraduate work. Um, well, I started off at an as an interior designer, and I worked for a hotel um for many years, for about almost 10 years. And um I got saved and got serious about the Lord, and I felt the call to teach, and I went back to school to do my undergraduate degree in English and literature, and that's how I started my teaching career. I started my teaching career, I think it was 33 when I started. So I started, it was my second career, and I loved that, and I thought that was it, and I would retire from that. And then I sensed the call. Um, I was in the ministry, but I sensed the call to go into seminary and um followed that call. And so here we are. Um I after seminary, I I started a ministry called Revision Ministries, and um pretty much that's when I started writing, um publishing rather. I've always been writing, but that's when I pretty much started publishing.

Call To Seminary & Publishing

SPEAKER_02 4:27

Okay. The question I have, you have here teaching practical applications of the word.

Making Scripture Practical

SPEAKER_00 4:39

Yes. Explain that to me, please. Well, I think very very much, especially in our culture now, we go to church, we get sound bites, and um we have a good time, but uh we're not being transformed, and so we don't really um understand or walk in the power and the privilege that I believe the Lord has given us through his word and through our sonship in Christ. And so my biggest problem attending church when I got saved, I was like, this is great stuff, but how do you do it? Like, can you do it and how do you do it? And so I began to pray toward that end and asking the Lord to give me practical application to show me how this could happen. And not that we're ever perfect, but we can bear fruit. Um when we choose when we choose obedience, right? When we choose to um do things God's way, but oftentimes we make it sound so mysterious and so beyond us, and I just couldn't believe that God would give us these instructions and then not enable us to do it. But the source of all of that is the Holy Spirit.

SPEAKER_02 6:04

Amen. Amen.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

Because you can read, you can study, and some of it's very, very plain. You can read and you can study, and some of it seems a little bit complex, but the more that you read, the more that you study and pray for pray for the knowledge, you'll gain it. It's not one and done, is what I'm trying to say. It is not one and done, so we have to be have an open mindset, uh, in my humble opinion. Um when we're going before the Lord and we're uh uh attempting to do his work, yes. So every everybody does not have that, and and they need it, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 6:54

And you said not one and done, and I say that all the time. That's one of my catchphrases. Nothing is is one and done. This is like a continual process and continual growth until we're until we leave.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

And that's true, that's true. No matter how many times you have cone through and or read the the Bible from cover to cover, um, you still have to read to have a better understanding and to go forth and to win souls. Um, and you know, you don't have to, you know, put your hands on people's head and do all that. Let them see your walk. Let your walk match your talk. Um that that is practical to me. Let it match.

SPEAKER_02 7:45

Um that is basically it. You it the two have to go together. For sure. They have to go together. So okay, one of your words, think like Christ.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

Explain that to us.

Mind Of Christ And The Holy Spirit

SPEAKER_00 8:07

So we are told in in a couple of places in in the Bible that we have the mind of Christ. And my my question was always, well, if we have the mind of Christ, how do we again apply it? And the Bible really gives us great instructions and strategies for life if we understand that, you know, the we have a total misunderstanding of the Holy Spirit, first of all. Most of us, not all of us, certainly, where we think the Holy Spirit's only purposes to make us dance and shout and sing and all of those things. But that is not according to the word. Yes, David danced before the Lord and it was beautiful, but the Holy Spirit, again, is also practical. He's an advocate, he's a comforter, he brings things to our remembrance, and he will guide us and lead us if we lean into that and invite him to do that. So we're in a partnership with the Holy Spirit, and it's through the Holy Spirit we can learn to think like Christ. But we all have strongholds, we all have um things that we have to um get rid of because we can't be led by our emotions all the time. Emotions are good, God gave them to us, they serve their purpose, but we have to learn how to live above our emotions to manage them and think like Christ. So let's give a really simple example. Um somebody hits me, and my natural response, my emotional response is to hit them back. But if I am walking in the spirit and I want to apply the mind of Christ, then I'm gonna restrain myself and make pursue another course that may be um trying to figure out how to resolve the problem, whatever that is, or uh it may be just to walk away. But uh remember back in the day, there used to be a thing, WWDJ, what what would WWJD, what would Jesus do? And that's a valid question in how how we think like Christ. What would Jesus do in this situation? My emotions are telling me to to yell, to scream, but how would Jesus handle this situation? And because I have the Holy Spirit alive and at work in me, I can step back and make a decision to handle it in a way that glorifies God and honors myself.

Managing Emotions With Spiritual Discernment

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Yes, that's beautiful. When you brought that up, what would Jesus do? Yeah, everyone was wearing the bracelets and they would read the bracelets to confirm I need to talk to Jesus before I talk to you. What would Jesus do? And then a couple of my friends would say, Yeah, I'm finna turn over the tables just like Jesus. And I'd be like, Okay, okay, okay, okay, slow down. Back up. I definitely relate to the one that turn over the table. You know, but uh, but truly, you know, that's when it comes to searching the word and knowing the word, and you can know it, and you know, sometimes you just can't get that scripture that you need to come into your head. You know, you just can't. And then you'll be saying, Lord, you know, help me. And then he gives you, gives it to you, you know. So we need it. We just need to be fed. Um, we need to be fed as as often as possible, and not only to be fed, but to understand what he would really want us to do. Um, because we're we're to emulate him. Yes. Yeah, no, we that's what we are supposed to be doing. And someday, I'm you know, we're not gonna sit here and act like some days it's not harder than others. Oh because some people, uh, I was telling a friend of mine earlier, I said, Oh, as I was walking, I didn't see anybody in the line, and I was headed to the cash register, and I saw this lady standing there with her shopping cart. And I could tell by look on her face, like, I know she ain't about to get in front of me. And I wasn't, but in my field of vision, I did not see her, and so I got behind her and I was like, Hey, how was you? How's your day so far? And she smiled, she said, Oh, it's great, you know. So it's it's those things that we do, you know, to soften the blow. It's no way I would just jump in front of anybody, but in my field of vision, she was being covered by some things, and I did not see her until I got there, but I could read her face very well. Oh, I know she's not about to um, and I wouldn't. That's just not who I am, it's not that deep. We're not in that big a hurry. And when and everybody needs to take, take not my example, but think about how you would want to be treated. Um, that's it. You know, one guy told me, Oh, I'm in such a big hurry, I gotta go, I gotta go. And it was someone in front of me, and I was like, Well, you just got to wait, you have to wait, you know, because even if I let you up, she may not be willing. So you should have got him earlier, you know, and then the spirit told me that's something he does everywhere he goes, to get out. And okay, that is so sick, yeah, you know, so so it's just that spirit of discernment, you know, we need to um keep, uh, we need to listen to that a lot of times. And I was like, uh-uh, no, we're not doing that today. We're not, we're not doing that. Um, you know, so practical, um, staying abreast, renewing, reviving, reading, trying to absorb what the word of God is telling us, and then putting it into practice.

SPEAKER_00 14:41

Yeah. And it goes against the grain. It really goes against the grain. So you have to be very intentional, okay, um, in your obedience, you know. We we have an ought um, or we have conflict with someone in our our, or let me speak for me, my first response is to confront them. But Jesus says, pray for them, and so it really goes against our grain, and we have to be intentional. But the more that we submit to the ways of God instead of our own emotions and the ways of the culture, the more we're empowered to do it again and again and again.

SPEAKER_02 15:29

That's true. That's that is true. It it becomes a part of who you are. Okay, now talk to us about the Pearl of God's eye.

The Pearl Of God’s Eye: Women Of The Bible

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Well, the Pearl of God's eye is a book about written about 15 women in the Bible. And my goal in writing this, there are a lot of things that converge to make this book. So there's not one thing that inspired me. Um, I'm a survivor of domestic violence, I'm a survivor of um sexual assault. I have um been in spaces where my gender did not work in my favor, right? Or people try to silence me. Um, I raised a daughter who got to high school, who was just a great student, could tackle anything, and got to high school and began to suddenly believe that boys were better at certain things than girls were. And so if you take all of those experiences together, I was like, well, God, what do you what do you say about all this? Because I grew up in in a church where women were pretty much silenced, women did not preach. Um you might teach Sunday school if you had a leadership position, it was usually in children's church, and so it it was all of those experiences um combined with just one how could God give me a gift to lead and then say you can't use it? And how do my experiences with like domestic violence with sexual, so how does God reckon with those things? How does he feel about those things? And so I created this Bible study, and I wanted it to be relevant, I wanted it to address um issues that women commonly deal with, like not speaking of, um, sexual assault, um domestic violence, um just things in general, single being a single mother, like all of these things are addressed in this book, but they're based on women in the scripture. Okay, and but when I write about it, I write from the woman's voice. And so I'm I'm disrupting a lot of stories um that we have heard and believed all our lives. And um, because if you notice when we talk about women or we preach about women, often women's stories are just women's stories. There's no metaphor to it, there's nothing to it that gives us any depth about them, and they're usually not good. But men's stories that they no matter how bad they are, they can always be a hero. And and so I had to wrestle with that. And um that was that was what inspired this book. Um, so I deal with all of those topics, but I also tie them into modern experiences. And the goal is really to give women voice their voices back. It kind of disrupts the church. I I I will confess that if it's business as usual, this book is going to disrupt it. It's going to make you think a lot differently about women in the Bible than perhaps you have in the past.

SPEAKER_02 19:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:44

I remember oh, several years ago, this young lady was visiting, um, and she was saying that she was looking for a church hump uh because she had been hurt in the church. And my heart just went out to her.

SPEAKER_02 20:01

Like, wow.

Church Hurt, Silencing, And Gifts

SPEAKER_01 20:05

But later I experienced being hurt in the church. So, and a friend of mine, even before my incident, uh, friend of mine, a guy, uh, we worked together, and he was telling me um that his um bishop was not accepting of his calling.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

Wow.

Prayer And Healing Journal: Grace To Grace

Writing For For Harriet & Blessed Chick

SPEAKER_01 20:29

Yeah, and and he was he was taken aback. I was taken aback uh because um well, a little bit of naivety because how can you tell him what God said to him or didn't say to him? You know, he really wasn't a part of the conversation. Um, and it really kept him from going, attending that particular church for a while. I don't know, but for a while, and someone at work was like, you need to get back in church. He's I go to church every Sunday, I might not go there, but I go every Sunday. And I was like, sometimes you do need to walk away from that element of where you have been wounded, you know, just because you're in church and your mind is not on healing or getting fed the word, your mind is on your hurt, so you're just really sitting there. And and I and um I spoke to her about it. I said, I understand where you're coming from, but he doesn't have to be at that particular church, he's got some healing to do, and that obviously is not the place where he's going to get his healing, yeah, you know, so um, but we have to be cognizant of other. people's feelings absolutely especially when they confide in you about what they're going through spiritually because it's it's it is a deep wound oh yeah and they need someone who's going to be open and we don't always have to give advice sometimes we just need to be a listening ear absolutely yeah and and I think another reason that people people often leave the church is because we don't make room for people's gifts and and and yet the by the Bible tells us that we are a body and God has given everything we need in the body and but we only focus you know on the pastor, the evangelist maybe um and people who have other gifts in the body often don't get those gifts stirred up yeah I I've seen that sometimes in um years ago years ago um certain children are always called on to do certain things but and and I heard one of the kids say uh she always takes the lead you know we can read we smile and that that's what I'm hearing in the background I went they're right you know why can't you just circle around and give everyone an opportunity to basically stir up the gift now this this is being a uh a a teenager you know preteen to stir up the gift you know but I understand why you go to that one because they have been proven but the ones that haven't been proven is that fair to them I mean because we're trying to put forth leaders out here as well exactly and they will never learn if they're never given an opportunity. If they're never given that opportunity and and they they you know I could hear it I'm sure some of the adults heard it as well they were like uh and and and if this individual could not be um in a lead position or a lead role she would decline the whole thing I decline I decline I was like ooh is that how we do it and I'm like she's still a kid you know but but it was her way or the highway and it was you know it got to be okay um when not necessarily okay I'll say acceptance okay acceptance the kids accepted it but they did not accept her uh because people have feelings too exactly you know and I know a lot of times when we read about the the various prophets they didn't people didn't want to hear from them either okay they didn't want to hear from them but that did not diminish the word that they had to say amen for sure okay all right now you have a prayer and healing journal grace to grace yes and and that's and that's exactly what it is it's it's it it's guiding you through prayer and and there are prompts um to help you look a little deeper within and try to figure out sometimes what you're feeling and express them um because you know women we're so busy most of the time sometimes we don't even know how we feel we're just pushing through because we're working we have families we're at church we're doing something in a community we're always busy and sometimes we don't take that moment to self-reflect and then when we do have the time we're not even sure how to approach it and so that particular um book guides you through prayer and it gives you journal prompts um to help you self-reflect and to heal from whatever has hurt you that's great and you said um you are a contributing writer for the blogs of for Harriet and Blessed Chick.

Anthologies & Surviving Domestic Violence

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Yes yes and and for Harriet is pretty uh cultural uh blessed chick was was mostly focused on Christian women um for Harriet was really about the culture black women in the culture okay and what was going on with them so but I always wrote from the spiritual perspective about what was going on culturally so is this Harriet Tugman that's who it's named after okay okay because I because when I was reading it and I was like okay Harriet did have a gift yes she she she she had a visual gift you know um and doing the work that she did or any other leader does you have to have a drive you have to have something that's going to to push you forward and um because without your purpose less right you got to have a purpose on way in what you're doing.

Safe Spaces, Discernment, And Telling Your Story

Nursing Lens: Compassion With Boundaries

Advocacy For Survivors And Why Leaving Takes Time

SPEAKER_01 27:41

So I I can see that now because when I was reading I was like Harriet okay for Harriet okay all right okay but that that makes great sense that makes great sense now um so you've been a part of three anthologies I have um one was about literacy in the black community um another God said I'm battle scarfree is about surviving domestic violence and then there is another one um in reality she's me and that is also about domestic violence okay can you tell us a little about each of the three of those anthologies just a little bit and I know a lot of times when you're speaking um before an anthology they like for you to just utilize your chapter to speak on yeah so in in both of those books I wrote about different aspects of my experience with domestic violence um I was um I was stabbed like 27 times and um that's the culmination of my domestic violence experience but it started off with stalking so in one book in reality she is me I be I start from the beginning and I talk about what it what it's like to be stalked right um and the kind of terror that that inflicts on the soul and the spirit and then in um god said I'm battle scar free I talk about the end of it and re recovering from um the attack and coming out better that's correct yeah because you when he pushes you through when he walks you through yes you are going to come out better you are going to come out better but some things we need to express we need to say we need to free be free enough to say those things do those things but we also need to be in a safe space in order to express ourselves because um the word cruel comes to my mind and when I say use the word cruel people can be so dismissive of your pain exactly and that's what cruel that's where the word cruel comes into my spirit at and I just not that I'm an old so but I'm like how can you be so dismiss oh they just could have they just could have you don't know you weren't there that that's a struggle in and of itself um and that's when a person tells their true story some people will get it yes they will get it and some people who are a little bit closed minded may not exactly I'll often have people tell me oh you need to tell your story you need to tell your story and I will tell my story when I feel led by the spirit and that's true and I don't feel my story's for everyone it's not um it's not everybody can't carry it you don't they cannot they cannot um yeah I'm I'm very particular about the spaces that I share it in but I'm I definitely share it because it's a but God story and God gives all the glory absolutely that's why I say you need to be in a safe space when you're doing that um as I say people can be cruel it is for giggles for some people or can you imagine or why didn't you do this and why you weren't there and you weren't there it's easy for you to give your two cents but I it is hard to live in that you know so when you tell your story I can only imagine some people being so touched by it not necessarily feeling um bad for you but feeling bad for themselves like wow that's me yes I might not have had this but I still had that yes so you you can't escape the me in the story it could have been me because a lot of times we don't understand another person's psychic just because you meet someone and some people are very gracious and you know everybody's gonna put on their their best foot forward but you don't know what's behind the iron curtain so to speak you know when they get very comfortable you know and they just um you know you're like wow was I blind or what you know so like I say you need to be in a safe space when you're telling it and and people have to be open enough to receive it. And even when I'm talking talking about some of my patients um and um I'm basically a critical care nurse and so I we see a lot of things um not a lot of domestic violence but we see a lot of people just not caring for themselves the way they should you know whether they're diabetic you know whether they like to indulge in street drugs or um we used to call them drug seekers because they would drive from New Jersey to Alabama and stop at all the different emergency rooms and get their pain medicine okay I mean there are no limits to what they will not do. And I used to always ask well why'd you drive so far? Because that's a key sign that that is uh one of those you know wake up moments well they're just not listening to me there and I'm like well they're probably not gonna listen to you here either you know so because the story just gets kind of old uh it gets old um and why did and then you can't help but to ask when you're doing a history on a person why did you drive so far? Well well this was just close I was just here visiting relatives and they they have a story for you they really have a story for you you know but I said well it doesn't work like that it doesn't work like that we can't take your word for it we need your medical records the doctor's going to give you minimal pain medication it's not gonna be what you say you want or what you've been getting because we need documentation to prove that and they get so upset some of them leave and they try the next hospital down the road and so you have to kind of be there and have that uh like I say the knowledge base and then the spirit of discernment but if you're driving I don't care if you're coming from Tuscaloosa to Birmingham there's still several hospitals that you passed before you got here and it's a red flag for us that you are a seeker okay a drug seeker so um yeah we're we're very professional with it but we're like oh no it's not happening on well why can't you I'm not the doctor I'm not the doctor you know I don't have MD behind my name you know so we have to be open to hear people but we also have to be open to tell them the truth yes about what they need because some people just don't want to get it um so they don't want the treatment they feel as though they have they can just con you that that's that's what they're looking for they can just con you into doing anything but as being a nurse you have to be compassionate understanding but firm at the same it at all at the same time yeah you know in order to be able to help people and even when people bring their family members in well y'all aren't doing anything I said well what what happened at home well they wouldn't let us do anything there yeah he grown I said he grown here he is grown here and if he refuses treatment we can't force it on him and that's just like the word god when you can't force it on people you you know they got to be willing participants in this and just patience they had they need to be willing participants and some of them will just leave you know they'll just get up and go and you know it's it's not on us that they left they didn't want to be there they weren't ready to receive the medicine that they needed to care for themselves like some people aren't ready to receive the word of God they're they don't want to hear it they're just not ready for it so um so we all have a journey we all have a journey that we have to go on um so with your advocacy you advocate for survivors is that correct survivors of domestic violence yes okay do you work work with a particular group or call on you here I don't because um I just haven't connected with the right group yet um but I worked with um in New Jersey I worked with an organization called Women's Space and um we we worked with victims as well as survivors and then in my organization um revision ministries uh we also work with survivors trying to connect them to resources give them counseling um and really kind of undergird them with the word of God to keep them that's great um do you have people women who change their mind and say I'm gonna give it another try yep absolutely all the time it takes about it takes the average woman about seven times to really leave okay okay and there there you know a lot of issues that it can be a financial issue it can be um a homeless uh home having a place to live issue it can be just really what most women say it's like I love the person I just want the abuse to stop yes and so they buy the promise until they figure out he's not changing or she's not changing you know okay and you say it takes about seven about seven times seven times that they come into the hospital or seven times that they reach out to you guys seven times to reach out to attempt to leave before they actually leave okay okay I wanted that to be very clear um because when I've had to approach women who have told me that they were abused um get it now I'm I'm in an acute care setting uh so nine times ten they're not they're just buying time and um you know give them the information tell them what they need to do um where they can seek shelter and they're like well he told me he'd he'd be more affectionate so I think I'll I'll be okay and I was like yep yeah you know it's nothing we can do about you can't force it on them you can't force any of this on them not at all and and and remembering that it this is it's just not a physical thing that there's some mental issues going on too some codependency and um a lot of the tactics used in domestic violence are used to make that person feel worthless and so they don't have confidence and so there's a lot of issues working in the background it's never just black and white it is not it is not um and one of my patients told me that um I just want him to sit down and talk to me sometime I just I just want him to go out shopping with me and I just want this and I want that and I was like well it was he that way before because you can't change people you know um a lot of times we're looking at the wrong thing uh but quality of life to you is quality of life to you and you know may not be so much to me um so it there are so many dynamics a lot of times it's not physical it is emotional yeah and some people just want I don't know if they want to show them off like they are a puppy or uh a toy or something like that but you're not going to be happy if you're if you don't get what you want I'm not saying that you shouldn't have the those expectations but you're not going to be happy until you get fed those things.

SPEAKER_00 41:42

Exactly I agree okay now what else would you like the audience to know about you um other than the fact that I love the Lord and I love to see people growing in the Lord um and have that relationship because it's so joyful at least most of the time um and it's just an an amazing relationship to be able to grow in the Lord and like you said everybody has their journey and it's not a one and done but a continuous process and just learning to how much God loves us in spite of us um and staying on that journey is it's it's a joyful thing. And so that that's my passion to see people grow and become mature spiritually that's correct.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

Yeah that correct yeah because that makes you feel as though you you you got it yeah they have it uh yeah they they have it they understand now they definitely understand and uh and it is a teacher's journey you know it's you know we're always the student we're always the student so you know it it is a teacher's journey yeah I often say that we walk like crabs we take two steps forward and one step back sometimes it's one step forward and two steps back but the race is not given to the swift or to the strong but to those who endure to the end that's it that's it amen amen well Reverend Simon thank you so much for coming on tell us where we can find your books um maybe your next speaking engagement anything you want the audience to know about you being a life coach um all of that if you don't mind well my book it think like Christ is available on um most platforms so you

Love, Expectations, And Emotional Abuse

SPEAKER_00 44:00

can find it at Amazon, Walmart, Barnes and Noble and other bookstores. But the Pearl of God I God's eye is strictly on Amazon. And it is a book and it also is a workbook.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

Right. That's pure that's beautiful. Can you put that back up so uh in the camera please? Oh sure. The cover is so pretty. Oh I love that.

SPEAKER_00 44:29

Yeah. And then of course the workbook is actually a little bigger but same cover.

SPEAKER_01 44:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:38

It gives them room to write down their fillings.

SPEAKER_00 44:42

Exactly. And you can find me on online at um revisionministries.org um or revisionwomen.com. And I do various workshops. The next thing that I am doing is I'm doing um a Bible-based uh webinar on domestic violence and lifting up the story of the women and judges um in conjunction with that and that happens in April.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 45:18

And I can I can give you more information that's being sponsored by the um American Baptist Women's Ministry.

SPEAKER_01 45:28

So great.

SPEAKER_00 45:29

I'll be happy to send you more information.

SPEAKER_01 45:32

I would appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 45:33

I would appreciate that I'll put it on the uh the website and LinkedIn so that other people can see thank you I appreciate that and um I'm actually planning to do something in Birmingham with uh Reverend Mildred Watson.

SPEAKER_01 45:54

I don't know if you're familiar with her um former pastor here and uh we're we're going to do a women's event um um from healing to wholeness okay that sounds good yeah so I'll gonna be a one-day event that'll be a weekend event so okay yes okay well when you get that information just share it with me as well I sure will be happy to all right well thank you so much for being a part of gentry's journey um we pray the best for you guyspeed you have a wonderful evening God bless thank you for having me it's been a pleasure you're more than welcome