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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:00

All right. Welcome everyone to Sears Angler Podcast, where as always, our main course for you will be talking and hopefully teaching you guys some more about bass fishing. And that, of course, has not come without a distraction or ten here or there. Whether you guys are here to learn or just listen to some bassin banter, you guys are in the right spot. And as always, I'm your host, Bailey Igbrett. And joined with me is Deacon. Deacon. I meant to say Idaho's finest, and my words just slipped me there. But uh we're with Mr. Adam Deakin on here. No bassin captain, unfortunately. He's actually ripping up a deck as we speak, doing some honey do list stuff. That's what he gets for whining about 80 fish smallmouth days. That's exactly right. That's right. He needs the honey do list. But uh man, we have a great episode today. We got Mr. Alec Morrison joining the show, and he uh he lets loose some uh some some juicy little tidbits for the folks on this one and also some things that are on the horizon for people to look forward to, tackle-wise. But uh man, before we get into this with Alec, I know people are probably excited for this one. Uh what's been going on in your neck of the woods? I know you had a crazy week last week, but uh made it in time for Durban this past weekend.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

Yeah, dude. Uh I mean I life's a blur right now, but I I literally showed showed some ranches in north central Idaho, blew out a tire on a side-by-side way deep in a canyon uh without cell service. End up showing's prolonged. I was supposed to be home by five on a Friday afternoon. I left the ranch at nine on Friday night. Tournament starts Saturday morning, drove through the night, uh, dropped off the side by side, jumped in my buddy's truck, who was already hooked up to my boat at 3 a.m. So got in at 2 30. Uh literally packed a bag of clothes, was gonna be gone for two days, camping for the weekend, no cell service at this lake whatsoever, anything. Jump in with like whatever I have, don't have any rods rigged, right? Like whatever's in the boat's gonna be there. Yeah, so literally roll up to the ramp, fish the derb Saturday on zero sleep, with like I just literally tied on a topwater and like uh a couple of baits, right? And it's like, all right, guess we're doing this. Uh lettery. So it was it was miserable. Uh that part was. Um fishing was surprisingly good on a on a lake I've never been to, which was which was cool. Umaihee, right? Waihee, dude. Like largemouth fishery, some some big smallmouth too, but like straight largemouth, deserty fishery reminds me of like West Texas or Arizona type place. And um man, hungry, healthy largemouth, I guess would be the biggest thing. Like we weighed 17, I think, the second day. We ended up fifth. Um and yeah, like just just their the weights were stacked from like 14 and a half to 18, 19 pounds. Like it was just like everybody had that. Like they were just all super healthy, short fish that that year class, like we're catching so many two and a half to three and a half pounders that were just you know only 16 inches long. Like those fish are gonna be five and six pounders here in a couple of years. And there's and that's how that is like a boom and bust lake, like with water levels, like deserty, when the water's high, things get really good, and then it dumps off, bait population struggles, etc. And so it's in a good cycle right now. Like, I I think as long as it holds water the next couple years, you'll see some of those eight, nine, ten pounders that used to be in there um show up. I mean, there's seven weighed um and there's there's plenty of them. So it was cool. Cool fishery, good, good derb, reminded me of the college days of driving through the night to get to a turnover. Grinder, and I don't miss those days. Like that is yeah, man. I I sleep, I've learned sleep is very important, and uh, although I don't get the best sleep, I get pretty good sleep and I need it. So um anyways, what about you, man? What's new in your world?

SPEAKER_06 3:55

Yeah, dude, you're so right on that. Where I would do the same crap, like I would go even like when I was going to Minnesota, where in the past I'd do like you know, drive as far as I can, sleep in the truck from like midnight to four, and then try drive to a lake and go fish. Where now it's like I'm gonna go stop somewhere, I'm gonna use some hotel reward points or buy a hotel room, get my eight hours horizontal, you know, and try to actually get some good sleep. I guess that's that's what it is. But um, man, it's awesome around here in uh in New York right now. Went out to the Finger Lakes and uh full summer bite is is starting to pick up, was catching them on a big worm, deep plug, and it's that's my it's my favorite time of year to do all that stuff. Which I enjoy it, don't get me wrong. There's no knock against it, but I love the summer bite. The summer bite is my absolute favorite where the the big stuff comes out and uh go in and you know, put some like Alec talks about in this show, putting some time. I mean, not for me behind the wheel, but at least behind the graph anyway, still trying to find stuff. But um, I I love it. It's a great time of year. And dude, I'm excited in a couple weeks. I'll be up in Alex's uh neck of the woods in Champlain. Got a uh derb coming up there, but um beyond that, man, just enjoying some some summer fishing around home and getting a bunch of these freaking videos done and edited out for the tube and some pretty sick pods. We have uh for the folks is a little bit of a sneak peek coming up. Uh we're supposed to have Matthew Streichel on. Um that show had a whole error and everything, and that's completely on me. Um so we'll have him coming up soon. But after the week after this show, we'll be at iCast, so we'll have some iCast coverage for you guys. But we got freaking John B coming on the show. Massive. Uh really hyped for that one. Um, he is one just next level type of content, absolute fish head, you know, one of the say OGs, but also like if you if you had like a Mount Rushmore of who started this crazy content YouTube side of the fishing realm, he's one of them. And so really cool. Uh excited to dive in with that. But um man, I guess uh before we get into to this show, because uh I know you and I both have busy days coming up and busy weekends being that it's July 4th weekend and we're recording this, but uh what's been a little bit of uh the buzz around the the industry, man?

SPEAKER_00 6:22

Yeah, yeah. So the segment's brought to you by uh uh rec lending and uh the business from the bass boat segment, you know, um not a crazy amount of things going on, you know, pre pre iCast. I'm sure we will see uh obviously a lot uh a lot go down, but um just just naturally speaking, it's gonna be probably overflooded with some. Um, which is you know uh probably right. Like that's just something that's catching fire right now. So it makes sense to me on on why that's all gonna be. But uh, you know, number one more than anything here. Um I I've seen, I guess, Ott went in on um I'm trying to think of what fishery it is. Potomac. Potomac, man. Obviously, Northeast fishery. Have you ever fished the Potomac, by the way, Bailey?

SPEAKER_06 7:15

Dude, so I was supposed to. Um, I had had, I think it was Murray last year, I had a derb uh on Murray, went to Florida from there to visit my parents, and then I was gonna leave from there and book and go fish some random two-day kayak derb on the Potomac just on a whim. And I was having too much fun catching snook and tarpon with my dad. So I said, screw that, I'm gonna stay here and fish that. Uh, but no, I haven't. I've been really wanting to make it down there because I've heard it can be tricky, but once you figure it out, it's a really fun fishery. Uh, and it was cool to watch some of them guys wax on them uh last week. And I was talking to Bertrand a little bit on his way home from there, and you know, it was everyone it sounded like everyone caught him. Like it was easy to to get bit. So it sounds like the fishery's doing well. But uh no, I need to get over there, man. It's it's cool. The whole title thing is is super intriguing because I mean we have nothing like it up here. And I guess probably for you, closest thing is the Delta, really, right? Yeah, but no, it sounds awesome. Um, but one of the things too that I saw and uh wanted to call out to you, because especially with what we're doing with the real biology segment here at Sears Angler was uh Yamaha Wrightwaters. Uh they sponsored uh Davidson College, which Steph Curry, people don't know, okay from Davidson College. Um they they sponsored a student-led sustainable marine project. And it sounds like what they're doing is I would say Yamaha owns Torquedo now. Uh it sounds like this college has some of these like little pontoon boats where they go out and do their their studies and uh different experiments, things like that. And so they threw a bunch of these big Torquedo uh outboard motors at them uh and put some dollars behind uh their efforts there. And so there's a lot more to it, and I'll link that down below if anyone's curious to look at it. But uh cool seeing some of these brands and the efforts and obviously what Yamaha Rightwaters is even in place for, but um cool to see some of these um projects come to light, and obviously we want to bring some light to them on the show too to show that fact in a world of crazy technology and stuff. It's cool to see the projects boots in the ground in our fisheries. So um shout out to them. But um yeah, man, it's gonna be uh a for for the little amount we've had from the business from the bass boat segment past past weeks, it's all gonna be coming. You'll you'll get your business from the bass boat worth after uh after iCast, I'm I'm sure of that. For sure. Yeah. But uh man, um looking forward to getting this episode. I think without further ado, one last thing for folks is right now, uh you can save some big time dollars over at Omni A Fishing, especially at this time of year. They're always running sales in the summertime, uh, as well as make sure you guys are getting in on the $20 off Hobie Eyewear, which I linked down below. And uh man, that's that's pretty much it, man. I think we get into today's show. You got anything else for the folks?

SPEAKER_00 9:57

No, let's rip it.

SPEAKER_06 9:59

Cool. Well, further ado, Mr. Alec Morrison. Alrighty guys, we are here joined with Mr. Alec Morrison, no stranger to the Sirius Angler Network. I think you've seen him probably a good five times over on the lure lab at this point, and for uh for good reason. But uh Alec, what's going on, homie?

SPEAKER_02 10:17

Hey man, it's good to be here uh talking to you guys. You know, I've been uh been wanting to come back on for a little while and got a lot going on. You know, it's a little I'm in a little bit of a break right now uh before some things pick up. Uh I got uh two two opens events coming real soon, uh end of July and uh beginning of August. It's the uh uh the Upper Chesapeake Bay Open, uh back to back with the St. Lawrence River open. So those will be the last two events in Division I and uh I'm super excited. You know, we're sitting sitting halfway through, two down, two to go in the top 50, and just gotta stay there.

SPEAKER_06 10:56

Is this the uh the playoff beard you got rocking for the rest of the season then? Is that what this is gonna be going on?

SPEAKER_02 11:02

I guess so. I don't know. I shave it all the time, but it grows back so quick. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_06 11:07

I don't know. I mean, by the time the EQs are up with, I mean it's fall. You might as well keep that for warmth this winter.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

Yeah, I might as well. Although I don't really like staying up here when it gets cold. So after about mid-November, late November, I'm out.

SPEAKER_06 11:22

Did you go down with Garrett down in Florida or Kegat in Texas?

SPEAKER_02 11:25

Yeah, yeah. Usually it's like uh kind of a split between Florida and Texas for me. Those are my two places favorite places to be in the wintertime. Um yeah, I'll spend some time with Garrett in Florida. Um, you know, we got the EQ event in uh November on Okeechobee, so so I'll spend a little time in Florida and then uh probably make my way over to Texas. I uh I really like staying right on Sam Raber and I stay with a buddy of mine, Jaden Parrish, and uh yeah, we just do a ton of fishing over the winter and um and all that stuff, but it's uh it's a fun time. I love Texas, love catching big bass.

SPEAKER_00 12:01

Dude, it it it's so cool to me how you've um lived that kind of lifestyle to chase this. I mean, I've always I've always noticed that with yourself, like quite frankly, something I considered doing at one point and never went and did. But I think it's the best way, like the best way to try and try and go pro if you can swing it, um, if you can figure out a way to to make that work. I mean, chasing the fish, right? I mean, it's like chasing the migration if you're like a crazy duck hunter or something, but you're you're going to those places in the wintertime when you're up north, and you're doing your north stuff later. So I think that Vegabon lifestyle, uh, not just for tournaments, but for actually learning those those fisheries, I've always uh I guess was thought that was a great way to go.

SPEAKER_02 12:46

Yeah, no, thank you. I mean, no doubt. It's like that's kind of uh how the schedules move, and a lot of them, you know, uh a lot of them revolve around the spawn, and um, you know, just based on how we travel from south and north as the year goes on, it's really good to kind of uh do that, whether it is on uh, you know, your typical tournament places or not. Um there's just a lot to learn as far as uh being in different areas at different times, and um yeah, I really enjoy it, really enjoy it. It just gets a little too cold up here in the I like catching them. I mean, October, November is by far my favorite time to be up north. Like I could skip the rest of the year on Champlain and just be here in you know, October, November, and maybe beginning of December. December's really good. But um, but yeah, after about that, I just wanna I want to get out of there and go south and catch some big largemouth.

SPEAKER_06 13:41

Yeah, a little bit of a hybrid nomad life, if you will.

SPEAKER_02 13:45

Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_06 13:46

Hell yeah, dude. Yeah, I mean, dude, that time of year too, it's like that late fall, it's just because everyone's in the deer woods for the most part. You got the lake, especially Champlain to yourself for the most part.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 13:57

All the people that travel up here, like you know, out of state that come and see it, they're pretty much they're not gonna come at that time, you know. They're gonna come in the summertime when it's when it's warm out, but that's that's the way to do it, man. And so like you you mentioned a couple uh more opens coming up, but how how are you feeling with these next two and potential Champlain qualifier if you if we can get there?

SPEAKER_02 14:21

Yeah, that's the goal, right? Uh for me, that's really been the biggest goal of this whole season. You know, obviously, obviously the main goal is you know the Elite Series next year, but um you know, a big a big one on that on that list is really just the Champlain EQ. It's had a really good time. I've won a lot of tournaments that time of year here. Um you know, they s they typically start to to change what they're doing. Um and uh that's really a time when you know it's transitioned from uh late summer to fall and uh they're moving a lot. Um but if you can you know put yourself in the places that they're going to early, uh then it really will pay dividends. But um, but yeah, I've got those two opens. I'm feeling really good. I'm I'm top 50 currently. I got out of the Tom Bigby with a good with a decent you know, decent points finish and and all that. But um but yeah, you know, Upper Chesapeake isn't a place that I've spent a ton of time on, but um I certainly uh I certainly did just go spend about a week and a half down there um prior to off limits and uh you know it was a place that I haven't spent a ton of time on, but I kind of always understood like where it went down and kind of why, and and it was really good for me to just go get a get an early look on that place and um you know get a get a feel for it because it it certainly is different as far as you know tidal water fisheries go. And I've spent uh I've spent a good amount of time on the James and on the Potomac, and those would be the two places that you know it's somewhat set up the most similar to the Chesapeake. Um, but they certainly are different. There is more of a there really is more of a northern feel when it comes to how you fish the Chesapeake and and the type of places you're fishing. And you know, the tide um tends to kind of play a little bit of a different role there uh than it does on on some other places. So so I I think it'll be a good event, you know, conditions-wise. Um conditions can play a big role in uh how the actual event shapes out, but um without that, you know, without that being known for sure at this point. Either way, uh there's a lot of quality fish there, and um some dudes are really gonna catch them, that's for sure. You know, it's it's uh it's uh not not an easy thing to catch over 20 pounds, but it's something that's done there every day, you know, really quality weights, a lot of good fish, and uh, you know, kind of a lot of habitat that you would uh typically see in in some other places uh up north that aren't necessarily tidal. So uh it's cool. It's a cool place. I'm really excited. And then uh you know the last one is the St. Lawrence River, so that'll be the the end of it all. And uh definitely have a lot of time there, and you know, I've had some amazing events there, and I've had some poor events there, so it's kind of uh it's kind of uh same old uh idea of make the run or don't make the run or see where you end up, but uh either way, I'm really excited for both.

SPEAKER_06 17:33

Heck yeah. Yeah, how much do you think, at least for you, like going to a fishery prior to off limits, to maybe not even wet a line, but just to get eyes on it. How much do you think that kind of helps your perspective going into an event?

SPEAKER_02 17:47

Yeah, it it um you know there's some guys who it might not I know some guys who I guess it might not help them as much. They typically do better just showing up and fishing. Um but for myself it it uh really allows me to kind of plan out what's going on and and you know I like to do like I guess some weird things in practice and uh I don't know, just try try different different things overall and and going there for pre-practice, going to a place like that for pre-practice, it it really just gives me extra time to kind of figure some things out, especially on places that you know I have not been to or have not spent a lot of time on. I get to look at it with you know new eyes and uh kind of make a little bit of a prediction of how things are now and what they could translate into becoming later on whenever the event comes. So for me overall, it's a really good uh it's always been a really good way for me to to kind of succeed or or uh put myself in a position to really understand what's going on on that body water then and there, and then uh you know, it gives me a place to build for them later on.

SPEAKER_06 18:59

Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

Yeah. I mean and obviously here you're talking you can have those on maybe your your known fisheries or stuff you spend a lot of time on, either kind of bombs or or blow out of the water situations. I guess just a follow-up question there. I mean, why why why is that? I mean, do you feel like it's just like you get too locked into something when there is one of those versus you know getting it out of the park? But it's a struggle we see all the time with guys, right? But what's your take on that?

SPEAKER_02 19:28

Yeah, and you know, Seth uh Seth really put that kind of together really well in the last podcast with you guys. Uh you know, it's like he was talking about being you know 75% dialed on, you know, going into a tournament. And in reality, you know, some some of these places when uh you know you're fishing on a place you're really familiar with, you might history might just cause you to continue going down one path when in reality you you should have just uh you know taken the info that it gave you and and uh if something wasn't right then to just abandon it. Um but you know I've certainly had um on places like the St. Lawrence River extremely good events and really bad events. And a lot of it is just because I've I've uh I like to take a risk. I don't I don't ever fish safe, and maybe I should more in like the open style format, but um but uh yeah I really like to kind of go go the long ways and I try to do whatever I can to to win, and sometimes it'll it'll really throw you off. You know, it'll really uh put you in kind of a bad position. And uh like Seth said, you'll look down and it's two o'clock and you're like, oh gosh, what if this is not gonna look good? So you know it's all it all depends. Uh but yeah, overall I would say I just I kinda like to I kind of like to go for it more often than not, and I'm gonna make a longer run, or I'm gonna fish for yeah, I'm gonna fish for fish that are harder to catch, and uh maybe they're ones you should abandon, but if I give them the bite, then I'm the hero. So I just uh that's kind of more of the the way I like to look at things, and and uh hopefully at hopefully it can come together.

SPEAKER_06 21:12

Yeah, you're just trying to get yourself to Knoxville. That's what you're trying to do.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

Yeah, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

Well, I mean, honestly though, like I think my mind goes strategy-wise with just how fishing payouts are structured. Like, quite frankly, man, like as much as it's good to be a consistent guy cashing checks, doing that kind of a thing, like if you can consistently win every once in a while, which you've proven to be able to do, like I think net numbers wise, you're way better off. Like our our numbers are so skewed towards the top, right? Especially with a W versus cashing those whatever you want to call them, five, ten thousand dollars checks versus packing at a hundred or something like that. Like, yeah, there's a there's a real, like actual strategy there of like it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 22:03

Yeah, exactly. You know, I mean on paper, the only way any of this makes sense is if you win one every year. So it's like if you can if you can get around, you know, around that, then uh you'll be in it for a long time. And you know, that's what we're all in it for, is to win and to do well and last a while. It's just uh, you know, things are changing and and uh it can be definitely hard to do that at times, but uh that's always kind of been the outlook that I have on and I'm always gonna try to go the extra lengths and and uh try to swing hard, and sometimes it works out and sometimes it burns me bad.

SPEAKER_06 22:39

Yeah, well, is it it was pollinic, and I I can't recite it verbatim, but essentially was saying it's a couple years ago. I remember him saying this was like you could shoot for top five, and if you you know if you fall, you fall to 20. But if you shoot for 20 and you fall, you fall to 50. So it's like you might as well just shoot for the stars there, because if you know it doesn't work out, you're at least gonna you know you're likely your chances of coming away with at least a nice check are gonna be good. Whereas if you shoot for a check and you've got a bomb, then you're not getting paid at all.

SPEAKER_03 23:08

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Yeah, but yeah, um I guess speaking of wins, you know, you've won both up north and down south now. You've done some crazy things, crazy things on Rayburn, um, setting records and whatnot. But where do you feel more confident? I mean, is it is it the north or the south, or is it man anywhere?

SPEAKER_02 23:28

Um you know, Rayburn is a special place, and really I uh I got on a lot of tactics there early that you know stuff I took from up north that people just had no idea about so at that time. So now it's certainly tougher. Uh it's certainly tougher on Rayburn for me now. Um I'd probably say I'd have more confidence uh up north, but uh I definitely do have a lot of confidence in places that set up like Rayburn, Toledo, uh a lot of those, you know, east or northeast Texas lakes, and um it's uh it's certainly fun. But um I would say up north, you know, as far as smallmouth go, those are uh smallmouth kind of have my heart overall, and uh I really love just chasing them up here. Um I would say a lot of my confidence is uh stems from stems from northern fishing. Um and then when you can find you know places down south that uh you know you can kind of take some of those nuances and and bring them down there, it it it really it really works well.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

I guess dive into a little bit of that. Like what do you feel like you had on the front end, especially in those early Rayburn big derbies um from the north that maybe folks weren't doing as much down south?

SPEAKER_02 24:49

Yeah, I mean it's quite literally as simple as this. I was the first one throwing a jig head minnow on on Sam Rayburn. I mean, every fish I looked at on forward-facing sonar, I could catch despite if it was two pounds, eight pounds, ten pounds, it doesn't matter. Uh, I knew what I was looking at, I knew how to structure fish, uh, I knew how to throw a minnow really well already, and they had never seen it. So it was uh I didn't necessarily even have the best places to fish. Um I'm sure some guys who did well in that that specific Toyota series event, you know, probably had better spots than me, but but the the fact of the matter was I could catch whatever I looked at. So um that was a huge key. And it's just one of those things that like when you can get on something early before other people do, then it it really it really will will prove to be really good. So so that was kind of a big factor there. And then and then now, you know, a lot of my success on Rayburn after that has stemmed from uh not so much a technique side of things, but it's stemmed from you know just spending more time on the lake and learning, uh really learning the ins and outs of it. Uh Rayburn is a great place to to put in a lot of idle time, which is something I really like. Um I've found spots on Rayburn that you know I'll I'll idle for a hundred hours before I find like one specific place that I that I really like or that I know for sure is gonna is gonna work out later on. And and um, you know, I've had some success earlier in this year with my buddy Jaden in some team tournaments, and a lot of that wasn't necessarily technique based or anything. It just really came down to um our success was because I s I spent the most time idling probably out of anybody in those last couple months prior, and and I was really able to just find uh find those sweet places where those big ones were uh using specific places super early in the morning, and uh if you rolled right up to them, you could catch them. Um yeah, you know, it it certainly changes. I'm seeing a lot of changes overall now, you know, uh whether it's whether it's Rayburn or Toledo or or uh you know some of these fisheries up north like Champlain, um you know, weather has a big part of it, and it's been a it's been an interesting weather year, as you guys know. You know, this this past winter and spring, a ton of rain, a ton of storms all over the country, and and I've seen a lot change as far as as far as just uh areas that fish are using, and and some of these more historically good places may not set up the same this year, and they may not be as good. Um and you know, it's been there's been a lot of like day cancellations and tournaments I've been in and all kinds of stuff. It's been a it's been a very interesting year as far as all that goes. But um, but yeah, you know, there's uh things are always going to change, and it seems more so now than ever that anybody can roll up to any lake they haven't been to and win. Um it's definitely interesting, and you know, even like even like local, you know, this like local knowledge and stuff like that, it doesn't play as big of a role as it used to. Um you know, Champlain used to be extremely locally dominated. Uh it's a very it can be a very uh interesting place as far as you know just how fish set up and there's a lot of like one one two fish deals, uh sneaky little stuff that we idle for. And a lot of that I've spent, I mean I've spent thousands of hours idling for I've practically idled all Champlain at this point, but you know, there's things that I used to quite literally have that I would never fish unless it was a tournament, because when I would roll up in a tournament, it'd be guaranteed four pounders or just one or maybe two. Now, dude, I swear like none of that stuff plays anymore. Like none of it, and I'm still the only guy fishing it. There's only like a handful of us who fish some of these real sneaky places, but it just doesn't really play like that anymore. And you know, the bait fish are changing and areas are changing and uh the spring and spawn is changing, and uh overall it's just it's a it's a different it's a different deal. It's a different deal now for sure. So it's uh it's really proving that you know a lot of people who come to a new place, uh they they give a little bit of a different outlook on it, they might practice a little differently not having that history, and then a lot of them are successful because of it.

SPEAKER_07 29:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 29:37

Yeah, that's an interesting perspective. I'm curious if you guys agree or disagree with this, but I think that fact of whether or not weather is the the driving factor of it. But the fact that you know historically good spots that are are not becoming good and things are changing like that, I feel like that is good for fishing, putting things fresh like that, especially when you have like taking a Champlain for an example, where the elites will go every year, every other year, and then they have a map of where all the guys are winning at and showing everyone, hey, the winning fish are here. It's probably nice to have that fishery change a little bit to that. It's again it comes down to who's gonna put in the time like you're talking about, you know, trying to find putting in putting the details together. I feel like that's a uh good thing for all of fishing. On the contrary, of those fish don't leave those popular areas and are impossible to catch, like you see in some other places, like a Chickamauga or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

Yeah, exactly. So there's a lot of changing, you know. There really isn't I can never remember like two years in a row where on Champlain, where a major event was essentially one in the same place, two years in a row doing the same thing. Like it it really never happens. It might be close, it might be similar patterns, similar area of the lake, but it never exactly lines up to be the same. Um so it's good in a sense, you know. It's just I think a lot of that has to do with maybe not so much even just us pressuring them. Um, but you know, the winters are changing a lot. You guys are northern guys, you know, like winters are changing a lot. Champlain didn't freeze for like six years, it completely froze over last year. We've got higher water, cooler water temps later on into the year in certain areas, and then and then other areas were far ahead. Like the water was uh on average much warmer than it should have been. So it's been this kind of strange, it's been kind of this strange ordeal and a lot, a lot of different events taking place, and um a lot all of it really adds into uh into why you know some things are better than others, but um yeah, it's definitely good to have the change.

SPEAKER_06 31:46

Yeah. Real real fast too to backtrack real quick because it's a perfect little segue. You're talking about being the first one really to throw the minnow and throw the minnow well at Sam Rayburn. Um one of our favorite parts of these these podcasts is our little segment called the Amped Outdoors Electric Take, and it's where we ask a bold question hoping for a uh a bold answer. And uh with that, I wanted to ask you what do you think is the most underrated bait with scoping right now?

SPEAKER_00 32:17

Most underrated bait if you think you're gonna get a square answer right now.

SPEAKER_06 32:21

I would say that's why there's the emphasis on the bold question, hoping for a bold answer.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

I was hoping for overrated. Like, what is it? What are people doing that just is gonna get not to not work? Yeah, you want underrated first.

SPEAKER_02 32:35

Man, you know, like what are people not scoping with now? That's what I want to know. Like, people are throwing everything on scope, so it's kind of it's kind of hard to choose. Um, you know, the most underrated, I would have to say, might just be a jig. You know, it's uh it's been catching on uh more and more, and uh you know, certain places it's better than others, but but it's something that's super versatile and um depending on where you are and what kind of fish you're fishing for, you could do a lot of different things with it. Um you know, St. Clair during the invitational event, I caught I caught a lot of the fish I weighed actually on a jig, scoping them with uh a little football head jig, and you know, I never let the jig hit the bottom once. Not a single time did the jig ever touch the bottom, and they were demolishing it. So so there's little things you can do in certain places, and uh, you know, there's some some places it doesn't work as well, and they want more of a minnow approach, and then other places were you know something like a jig or or even just a scoping with a NECA rig or something like that, more traditional, um, will will uh outplay a minnow or a jerkbait or a typical bait fish presentation. So our realms are certainly opening up now. We're starting to use a lot more things on scope and and it helps to kind of be different. So uh I would say a jig right now is probably the most underrated. There's definitely some dudes doing super well, Tyler Williams, you know.

SPEAKER_06 34:09

I was gonna say he's probably punching air right now if he's hearing you talking about this. He's like, shut up, man.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 34:17

Yeah, that's funny.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

I think yeah. I would say all of your time not in tournaments, like kind of switching gears here. Where where do you feel like other than idling, right? It sounds like you spend a lot of time idling on these on these fisheries to find stuff that maybe other guys are not seeing or that aren't obvious on the map, etc. But outside of that, like do you focus on certain techniques and improving on stuff you're not doing and those types of things during all this time where you're where you're just fishing?

SPEAKER_02 34:55

Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, when I'm just, I guess if you would there isn't a lot of time that I really spend like fun fishing, I guess, on Champlain. Like if I'm out there and it's not uh legitimate tournament practice or something, then I'm typically spending my time like idling little stretches I haven't or like idling stretches I already have, but I'm looking for you know how like potentially if some new grass has grown up in that area and I'm trying to you know get a better feel. It's not something I haven't looked at for a few years, but or it's really spent like fishing in you know new places of the lake that I don't go much, or uh really just working on techniques. Um, you know, I think it's uh that's some of the best things you could be doing in uh in your off time is really just dialing in, dialing in what you're doing, try to come up with that that new fresh thing that I was talking about earlier, and uh you know a lot of that really does just uh it really does just make a difference when you get on some other places. Uh you kind of have the confidence to go maybe maybe go about things a different way or throw some things that people aren't you know necessarily doing all the time, and uh it really helps to spend that time getting confidence, uh, learning those new things. And uh really that's all with the all with the goal to to learn it and and use it elsewhere. Um so yeah, a lot of my time is definitely spent not so much just fishing for fun on Champlain, but more so like if it is free time, then I'm trying to you know develop something new or or uh you know work on work on things of mega bass or with black sheep or uh whatever the case may be.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

Yeah. No, I I love that man. I I'm I feel like Bailey and I have talked about this in the past, but like I don't and I should do more of it, but I don't fun fish, man. Like for me, it's either a derby or it is practicing or finding something out for a body of water that I'm gonna be on.

SPEAKER_04 37:10

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

Or my my version of fun fishing would be like maybe socially. It would be like taking friends out or a car or you know, some people who don't fish out. Yeah, as far as just going fishing, like I don't do it. Like I like it's uh one one kind of track mine with that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 37:28

But it's good, you know.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

It is good, it's good to learn new techniques, right? Like I be I find myself messing around in practice and in tournaments with stuff, but like that's where I think and it's good for you to just go do those things.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

Oh, no doubt. Yeah, just building that confidence with things that uh you know you're not uh don't have as much as much time with and uh in hopes that later on, you know, you go to a new place or you revisit a place you haven't been to in a while and you you know you break out some of those new techniques or new styles or new way to practice or you got a new way you like to idle things and uh and uh idle around and scope or whatever the case may be. But but yeah, in in turn, your your hope that your hopes are you know it pays dividends later on. So it's cool. I'm the same way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 38:15

Talking about that idling thing, are you running like a sniper pole or anything out in the console when you're when you're graphing?

SPEAKER_02 38:22

Uh I don't have a s I would like a sniper pole, so Bailey, if you could uh hook hook the hookup. Yeah, no, but I I've been uh for years, I've been sticking the trawl motor in the water and just using the remote. Yep, that was something I've done for a few years. I won the BFL here a couple years ago, and that was all I did in practice for three days was just idle with idle with my troll motor and look around and find them, mark them, come back in the event, catch them.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

So were you were you sitting and running it in your console, basically? Were you sitting and your forward facing was sitting on your and then you're just using the remote to go where you're going?

SPEAKER_02 39:00

Yeah, yeah. I just uh got my life jacket on, engines and gear, uh engines and gear, and then I'm just uh you know idling around using my remote to look look left and right, and it's kind of nice because I don't have as much experience with a sniper pole, but like your trolling motor in the water will actually act as kind of like a not a keel, but like kind of like a rudder. A rudder, I guess you could say. So when I point my troll motor left, if my steering wheel's straight and my engine's on and in gear, and I point left, I'll kind of veer left, and then I'll point it a certain direction right and veer right, and I'll just be doing this huge scoping maneuver, and it's good, it's it's really good. I mean, it works.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

Yeah, a lot faster than standing up there and looking at it. That's how I do everything.

SPEAKER_02 39:50

Oh, no doubt. And when you know exactly what you're looking for, you don't necessarily need to catch them or throw at them when you're super confident that this is what I'm looking for, this is what I'm trying to find. I just need to spend the most time trying to find it that I can, uh, or as I can, then uh it's a really good way to just cover water and and learn more for sure.

SPEAKER_00 40:11

Yeah. Yeah, it's that's that's sneaky. That's a good tip for everybody.

SPEAKER_02 40:16

And then the the the better tip is just get the sniper pole and then you don't you can just sit there and yeah, that's probably the better way to do it, and then you could kind of get up and you know you could you could run around spot spot, I don't have to get up and shut the engine off, pull the troll up and go. But but yeah, right. Sniper pole is nice, those look really good.

SPEAKER_05 40:35

You are really buttering up those boys right now because I guarantee you they're listening to this. Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_06 40:45

I love it. Taylor, if you're listening, yeah, look at hooker brother up. Exactly. Uh it's funny, so you're talking about the the remote thing. I it just it reminded me of it, and it'd be a funny story to tell. But I drew the the two freaking uh opens that I ever jumped in as a co-angler. Uh this was actually one uh Deacon and I uh both fished as co's. But uh I drew Chris Johnson uh the first time ever fishing an open on St. Lawrence, and he broke his uh troll motor like pedal somehow running out to the lake. And it was impressive watching him freaking scope 25 pounds with a freaking remote when he's sitting up there. Like because especially after like looking at it now, like yeah, that ain't easy, especially using the remote, like the what's needed to to work a bait and keep that fish in in view with a freaking remote.

SPEAKER_02 41:34

Yeah, I've actually tried it on a few cases, and it's extremely hard. I cannot do it well at all. Maybe if you have like throwing like a drop shot or something, like bottom contact, and you're throwing at them and you don't have to keep it on them all the time. But uh as far as like as far as like throwing a minnow or something, that's gotta be really hard to do.

SPEAKER_06 41:56

Yeah.

unknown 41:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 41:58

I wonder when we'll see if we'll see the day where it's like it's it's voice activated on these trolling motors where you're like sitting there like left, left, left, left, right, like you know, saying instead of using your foot. Yeah, I don't even know if that would even be advantageous now that I think of it. Probably more of a pain in the butt.

SPEAKER_01 42:13

Who knows? There's a I'm sure there'll be advancements and just about everything.

SPEAKER_06 42:18

Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure people will love that. But uh sorry, sorry, rabbit hole. Carry on.

SPEAKER_02 42:27

But yeah, it's uh it's cool, dude. I'm uh feeling feeling good, looking forward to these uh these next opens coming up, really. That's where my mind is at right now, is Chesapeake and St. Lawrence, and uh just taking it from there. I've got uh a couple more Toyotas after that, like Toyota on the River, and then uh we'll I'm probably gonna do the one on Potomac as well, just because haven't I only been there once and that was 2023. And September is a tough time there. Um, but it is it is a lot of fun. I think it's I think it's a good place to just uh I think it'll be good for me later on to just keep cracking at these title places and spending the most time I can on on them. And uh, you know, I feel like it's just at the end of the day, like Potomac and Chesapeake and the James, those are three places that you know, Bassmaster or MLF they use a lot. So uh it's places they're probably not gonna stop coming to, and and it's definitely good to just uh good to just keep stay sharp, stay sharp on those places for sure.

SPEAKER_06 43:30

Yeah, and it looked like a fun event for the MLF boys this past year, too. Yeah. So uh go ahead, Deke.

SPEAKER_00 43:42

Yeah, I was just gonna say, I mean, overall now we're we're kind of halfway through the open season. Um but what would be your three, and I know this can kind of change from year to year, but like currently, what are your three like go to techniques, any derby? You're gonna have three things that you have to have. On the deck.

SPEAKER_02 44:01

Yeah, I would say regardless of the tournament. You know, certainly with the opens, we go to some places that are uh are different for sure, you know, tidal places or river systems and stuff like that. So it's a little it's a little more broad uh of a range typically, but but yeah, man, I would say as far as like fishing in 2025, three three techniques, tournament fishing is like uh it's a jig head and minnow, a necko rig, and then probably I want to say like a jig or something like that, but then honestly, like a like a buzz bait or some sort of topwater is a real good one, you know, just as far as like covering water. A lot of events are around the spawn. Um, you know, it's good for largemouth, spotted bass, river system type places. Um it's just a really good it's a buzzbait or a swim jig or something of that nature. Um you see it still play a lot uh in tournament fishing, and uh I think that would uh one of those would would definitely have to be in there as well. And then you know, for the scope side of things, definitely just uh a minnow and a NECO rig of some sort. Uh Neko Rig is just absolutely dirty and catches them everywhere. And uh, you know, I've seen a lot of cool things with it. I've seen a lot of cool stuff with it down uh down in Texas, where you know, in the wintertime, wintertime months, it's all about bait fish profile, a minnow or a glide bait or uh scrounderhead, big crank, something like that. It's all about like uh bait fish profile, but then then all of a sudden they make the switch and they're starting to pull up into those spawning areas, and regardless of them, if they're you know, if they're not spawning yet or they are, or it's post-spawn, they kind of get more so on that worm or on that jig. They get on those those other types of presentations. So uh it's good to be fluent with all. It's good to have all those on deck, but I would say those would probably be the most uh the most used by me for sure.

SPEAKER_00 46:18

Got it. Yeah, those are great ones.

SPEAKER_06 46:21

Yeah. With with all this, dude, and obviously you've been you have a great network, and we're gonna dive into you know your kind of crew that you're you you hinted on black sheep uh earlier. We're gonna get to that, but you have a great network of guys that you run with and uh obviously can you know run some stuff by, but you know, growing up, was there was there an angler that somebody that you just kept looking to or we either was inspired by and just somebody that you maybe like took notes of? Was there somebody that stands out?

SPEAKER_02 46:52

Yeah, you know, early on it was really Aaron Martins. You know, a lot of the I I uh I myself learned a lot of what I know or or what I originally learned off finesse fishing was from actually fishing out west, and then uh in California, places like uh I have a bunch of family in Southern California, so I grew up fishing, uh I grew up going out there and fishing places like Diamond Valley, Skinner, Vale, uh Paris, like those kinds of places. And um, you know, I uh Aaron was just kind of the guy to kind of kind of the dude to watch at that time, and and um it took a lot of insight from from things he had to say and and uh you know learned those things out west, but then brought them up north to fish for smallmouth and and uh you know for a while it was it was uh it was all about the drop shot and stuff up here, you know. It's like basically the only thing he used to need. And um yeah, I'd say I'd say he probably had a a big impact on on a lot of the things I was doing early on. Um and you know, there's just been there's been a lot of dudes uh that have really uh kind of shed some light on some things for me, and and um yeah, I would say I would say probably Aaron would be probably the probably one of the biggest impacts early on in uh in my fishing for sure.

SPEAKER_06 48:20

Yeah, dude, I didn't know you had that that West Coast upbringing a little bit. That's cool, man. I didn't know that about you.

SPEAKER_00 48:25

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 48:27

Heck yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:27

Yeah, different.

SPEAKER_06 48:29

Let's get into black sheet, man. Let's let's hear about it.

SPEAKER_00 48:31

Hey, I want to hear it. Name too. I love that.

SPEAKER_02 48:34

Yeah, it's cool. Hey, we're uh our motto is built different, and uh, you know, that's for good reasoning. I can't get into absolutely everything, but what I can say is we have spent a lot of time choosing the best components that we could possibly choose based on everything that's available um for this that one specific product. So one product, you know, may have a specific type of VMC hook in it, and then another one might have a specific type of Gamagatsu, one might have a BKK. I'm not gonna go into detail, but what I'm saying is each product, uh absolutely everything has been thought out uh extremely thoroughly. We've taken a lot of time to really develop uh exactly what we wanted and exactly what we felt uh everybody else would want and enjoy. Um, we got a lot of really, really cool products come in. I've been working on uh a couple of them for almost a year now, and um all of us have had all of us have had say in quite a few products, and uh, you know, we've got a good uh we've got a good group of guys. It's uh uh myself and Josh Douglas, Seth Feder, Garrett Rakamora, just to name a few. And um so we all have you know kind of an expertise and maybe a little a little different realm of of techniques or or uh baits, and uh, you know, we all we all took what we knew and uh designed what was best for us. And it's super exciting. Um I know we're all we're all pumped up to to bring some of these products to market. It's looking like uh it's looking like a beginning of uh the very very beginning of uh 2026 drop time around there. Um a couple other cool things to mention is you know a lot of our stuff is uh really high quality custom components, whether that's customize or uh you know hand-tied wire uh skirts and uh hand-tied um hand-tied hair jigs, stuff of that nature. Um, we're gonna have a uh core set of products, um which uh at this point in time is you know around 10 to 14 products. There's gonna be more, and then we're also gonna have uh limited time drops of like special run baits and products that uh you know if you don't get the jump on them, uh you might not get your hands on them, and some of them are extremely cool. So uh so there's a lot of a lot of really cool stuff coming down the road, and uh I can't wait until I can finally share more. I've been catching fish on these products for a while, and and some of them have really, really amazed us at how they've turned out and and how they function. Um it's been a really cool thing. There's been uh there's been uh you know, there's been nothing cut short. It's uh we're doing absolutely everything we can to make the highest quality, best performing product that we can. And uh, you know, we took a lot of time to really look at everything else in the industry and fill holes, and and um we really want a product that you're gonna take out of the package and not have to do anything to. Like people say that all the time. Like, oh, you can just take it out and fish it. Not the case. Like, I'm I'll take a jig out of a package, and first thing I do is trim weed guard, fan it, trim the skirt, you know, take strands out of a skirt because there's too many or or too little, whatever the case may be. But but um, yeah, there's uh we're definitely uh got a lot of really cool products and and I'm stoked to uh I'm stoked to be able to show you guys more soon. Um we currently have a uh like a landing page and website coming soon, so people will be able to sign up and get notified of our launch, official launch, and then also bait drops as well for some of the more custom stuff. And um we've got a couple uh we've got our uh social media is up now, it's just Black Sheep Custom Tackle. Uh we don't have anything posted as of yet, but we have a ton of really cool content that has already been shot. And um, you know, like I've said, we've spent a lot of time working on this prior already, so so everything's here. We're just making sure, you know, we're crossing our T's and dotting our I's and everything is gonna be perfect come launch. So uh been super excited to share. Uh I know Seth has done a couple little teasers here and there and maybe some of his videos. Um, and this is the first time for me that I've uh come on and said anything about it, but uh yeah, we've been working hard, uh me and the boys, and and uh it's really gonna be something that that uh works out well, I think.

SPEAKER_06 53:35

Hell yeah, dude. Yeah, we'll have to uh slap that down in the notes for the the link to the socials and stuff like that on the landing page is ready to rock. We'll we'll uh share that with everybody too, so they can get signed up. I know for a fact I'm sure Deacon and I are gonna be one of your very first to sign up so we we know when stuff drops.

SPEAKER_02 53:53

I think there's products that you guys are really, really gonna like. I know that for sure.

SPEAKER_06 53:58

So it's I think you just enjoy the tease aspect of this part. I mean, you're probably gonna have air tags in your boat now that you say that. Yeah, trying to get your eyes on what's on your boat deck.

SPEAKER_02 54:07

I've been real weird about it. I've been cutting stuff off, like putting stuff away. Like I've I uh I've won some tournaments already on uh down in Texas on some things like that you're gonna that you that are gonna be part of Black Sheet. Yeah, my buddy Jaden and I we've we won an event down there with over 38 pounds on on one specific big head that I've been designing for almost a year, and it's uh it's incredible. And um I'm really really excited to come out with with some of these things, and it all it all works very well. It really does. There's uh there's been no no cut corners in any of this at all. So uh it's truly exciting.

SPEAKER_06 54:46

Hell yeah, dude. I'm hyped. I'm hyped to see it, man. Yeah. But uh man, anything else coming up on the on the horizon or things you want the folks to to know before we wrap this sucker up?

SPEAKER_02 54:58

Yeah, you know, I got a little I got another little tease with Megabass.

SPEAKER_06 55:03

Um he is is a tease.

SPEAKER_02 55:05

I know, I know, I got it.

SPEAKER_00 55:07

He's over here the biggest tease of the fishing industry right now, right?

SPEAKER_02 55:10

Yeah, uh yeah, the we've got uh something really cool coming out of Megabass. You know, it's kind of a niche little product. Um it's kind of a it's a essentially a minnow style bait, but um, you know, it's just uh it's more of a finesse size, you know. A lot of craze right now is four, five, six, seven, eight inch stuff. And you know, it's uh I would say as far as uh you know a hover strolling or mid-strolling technique goes, I think that you know, matching the correct uh bait size to the forage size that these bass are in whatever lake or system you're on is whatever whatever they're targeting, whatever forage they're targeting. I think it's super important to keep your baits in that size range. Um and this one is certainly on the smaller end, it's more it's much more finesse than a lot of what I uh would typically use, but I've already seen it come uh seen some really good success come into fruition in some places. Um I took this over to uh Table Rock for a megabash shoot, and uh I knew it was gonna be good. Um however, it ended up really blowing away our expectations. Um, and a lot of that was because the bait that they were eating was uh under four inches long. So, you know, baits like a little four-inch drift rye or four-inch sakumbata, those are like killer, killer baits, really good just about anywhere, but uh for this time period that I'm referring to, they would not commit to even a four-inch size bait, and you uh making the switch to go smaller uh really paid like huge dividends as far as like the ratio of fish you got to bite based on the amount that you threw at. And uh coming from megabass, you know that it's gonna be you know really good quality, it's gonna it's gonna be very natural it's very natural and realistic, and um and some it's gonna be a killer as far as some some super clean water uh scenarios, places with you know 10 plus foot of visibility. I think this bait will play a lot. Um in more so the the and more so that sub-4 inch range. Um so we're talking you know, lighter jig heads, uh uh lighter, lighter line, lighter baits, and um and uh it's really cool. I'm really pumped to uh really pumped to uh for you guys to see some of that as well. It should be dropping soon. Um there's gonna be a cool article up there on how I fish it and how I've uh had success doing it. And um, you know, it's not something that might be the the end all be all everywhere, it might not be the absolute best thing in all cases, but uh in those scenarios uh that it lines up with it it really really shines. Um so I'm excited for you guys to see see that little see that little deal soon.

SPEAKER_06 58:18

Hell yeah, dude. Awesome. So again, let us know so we can we can I'm sure because people ever whether watching or listening to this or feeding to get eyes on what this might be. So let us know and we'll we'll share that with uh with the serious dangler folks.

SPEAKER_03 58:33

And heck yeah.

SPEAKER_06 58:34

You'll have a pile of people trying to go and get that. That's awesome, man. Hell, I'm happy for you. That's sounds like a lot of that in the works for you, and things are trending in the the right direction.

SPEAKER_02 58:45

Yeah, no doubt. Everything's been been real good. It's been a cool year, that's for sure. A lot has gone on.

SPEAKER_06 58:52

Love it. Well, dude, appreciate you taking time out of your day to jump on here, man. And uh hopefully get you back on here real soon. We start hearing some some more black sheep stuff and yeah, other things we've been working on.

SPEAKER_03 59:04

I'd love to. Well, thanks a bunch, guys.

SPEAKER_06 59:07

All right, folks, and that is going to do it for today's episode. If you guys have stuck around to now and you're hearing our turd voices talking, uh you definitely have gotten your full uh, I guess, ounce of uh of juice that Alec unleashed on this one, like talking about hovering a dang jig, you know. I mean there's probably a couple pros that are DMing Alec or calling him up saying, dude, you probably should I should try to edit that out of that podcast. Like Tyler Williams, like, bro, why'd you talk about that? But I mean, uh I feel like I've seen Cal Patrick do that before, but wasn't for sure. Have you heard of anybody hovering a jig?

SPEAKER_00 59:45

Yeah, I mean, d I didn't quite fully get that. So so is he hovering a jig or they're just eating it on the fall?

SPEAKER_06 59:51

That's what he's saying. So he's so for uh the smallmouth, he was throwing the jig out, but like working it like a jig head minute.

SPEAKER_00 59:58

Yeah, I mean you see like that's the very like the famous uh what's his name? Who's the guy that catches all the 10 pounders?

SPEAKER_06 1:00:06

Uh uh Josh Jones.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:07

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:08

He did have the swim jig, I think, without a trailer.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:12

But I mean similar concept. Right. But I I guess to me it's a jig coming through the water column in the same the same way that Tyler Williams, we see him do it sometimes too. Like he picks up the it's interesting. I wouldn't think about it for smallmouth at all, but it's just a a bait fish profile, kind of bigger profile thing with a jig. I mean forward facing center. I mean, it's uh can do so many things with it now with uh uh non-specific baits, but it's cool to see that he uh he's doing that with a with a football jig. You're right. Pretty neat.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:40

Yeah, yeah, he unleashed a little bit of juice. We we we put that Amped Outdoors electric take on him, and he uh you know the bold question, he gave us a bold answer. But and speaking of which, right now I'm long freaking days on the water. You know, if you guys are looking, you know, you're having battery issues. I'm actually we're working on a a little cool content idea for you guys, but um amped outdoors is our preferred lithium choice here at Sirius Angler, but there is a a reason why some of these lithiums are they cost more. But they're literally we've done the math, we've worked with uh actually with Matt over at Amped uh as well as talked with um uh Jones Marine and um basically the money that you spend every year putting in new Walmart lead acids say over a three to five year period, you're gonna spend more putting money into those lead acids than you will just investing in lithium batteries and like a nice AGM. You're gonna spend way less money over time and probably have a way better uh performance and day on the water with those than you would trying to find out.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:43

Less headache, yeah. Right? I mean, every couple of years, like I talked to about the other day that went out during a tournament. Like by having that just that constant thing not to worry about if you're not changing boats every couple of years, sure sure makes it nice to uh to know that it's gonna be reliable in there. And also they're paying the uh freaking butt to move lead-acid batteries out of boat compartments. Not easier, 75 pounds, and it's like if you have to keep changing those, yeah. No fun.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:10

Yeah, I guess real quick too. What are you running in your Phoenix?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:14

Yeah, battery-wise. Yeah, so I've got an AGM for my cranking battery, and then I have uh two uh 50 amp hour, 36 volt trolling motor batteries. Never had issues with that much on the trolling motor, long days, etc. Um those are amped, and then uh I have a hundred hour or a hundred and thirty amp hour twelve volt battery that is just running my electronics. So that is running all of all of uh everything from forward facing to um you know console, etc., all of those type things. And um yeah, man. I mean that's that's uh the long and the short of it. Four batteries, pretty simple back there, easy to uh to get around, and I really like having that dedicated uh lithium battery for electronics. That was a big difference in my book um of not having a drawdown effect at all. It's only for electronics, whereas lead acid and AGM batteries, they're great. Um but the kicker on an electronic battery, you do see voltage wane, whereas on a lithium battery it stays high the entire time, even if the battery's at 25% or whatever, it's still kicking out 13 amps. So um you have that clarity on your screen. With good wiring. Gotta have good wiring. Good thing to have it.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:34

Yeah, it all comes down to yeah, having stuff rigged correctly too. That's a big deal. But yeah, if anybody ever has any questions on that stuff, feel free to uh shoot Adam a DM, shoot the AMP folks a DM, shoot us a DM or an email, whichever's easier for you guys, happy to assist in that department. But uh man, uh great episode with Alec. Uh we'll include you know the stuff that you mentioned, like the black sheep, social stuff, things like that. And as they start launching products, we'll make sure we do our part in sharing those with you guys as well, especially when they get over to Omni Efficient so you guys could uh get your hands on them, but also uh save some money on it when you do so. But uh man, anything else for the folks?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:12

That'll do it, man. Have a good fourth, be safe. Uh get out, fish early, then get off because lakes get wild.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:18

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, with that, I'm gonna be doing a uh on Saturday. I was like, where could I go? But I'm not gonna have to deal with people. And uh I'm gonna go do a little creek nine mile creek float with some small mouth with mine. So yeah, yeah, we'll have to deal with boats there, thankfully. But uh nonetheless, uh appreciate you guys tuning in, especially if you're still listening right now. Appreciate the heck out of you. Uh thanks for always listening, and we'll see ya all next week's episode.