Shallow Power Fishing Tactics for the Prespawn (Ignore the Textbook)

Welcome back to the Serious Angler Podcast! In this episode, we are sitting down with former Bassmaster College Classic Bracket Champion Louis Monetti to completely rethink cold water prespawn fishing tactics. If you are struggling to find big bass during the early spring transition, this is the breakdown you need.

We dive deep into why standard prespawn areas aren't always the ticket and how shallow power fishing can be the ultimate game-changer when water temperatures are still low. Louis shares his precise approach to locating hidden prespawn staging areas, the specific power-fishing baits he uses to trigger aggressive reaction strikes, and how to stay mobile to track down the biggest fish in the lake.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

All right. Welcome everyone to the Sears Anger Podcast, where as always, our main course for you will be talking and hopefully teaching you more about bass fishing and, of course, some random rabbit holes here and there. Whether you're here to learn or just hear some bass and banter, you guys are in the right spot. As always, I'm your host, Bailey Eichbret. And on today's show, I am riding solo. Andy's busy and Deacon is actually currently out west fishing the BAM Super 60 down in Arizona. So he is going to be fishing that event. So you guys are stuck with me riding solo today. But obviously, we have a great guest. No stranger to the show. We have Mr. Louis Minetti joining us. We're going to talk some pre-spawn shallow bassin. From the power fishing side, the finesse fishing side, how to find them in regards to the pre-spawn, as well as areas that aren't just like your standard to go-to pre-spawn creek channels, things like that. Because obviously everyone knows there's bass that can group up on creek mouths and things like that. But we talk about the little nitty-gritties and things that are a little bit more off the wall that you can find fish on in pre-spawn stages, as well as on lakes that maybe don't have creeks. Especially my northern folk know that, Florida folk know that. But this is one where we try to talk about it in the general scheme of things so it relates to everybody. So we talked through that and some different baits, things like that that you guys will have on this show. But before we get on uh with Louie here, a couple things for you guys coming out of the classic, appreciate you guys so much for everyone that came up, said hello, things like that. And it's awesome, the classic. You guys are amazing. Wish I had more stickers for everybody. Uh, we still do have a bunch of stickers. We had actually a new order in of stickers to go and send out to anybody that leaves us a rating and review of a few that I just sent out today. Um, but if you leave us a rating and review, send a screenshot of it and your address over whether it's email or social media. We'll send you guys some free Sirius Angler stickers. That being said, too, our apparel shop is still live. If you guys want to go and shop some serious angler apparel, uh, some of our different shows, as well as some of our lifestyle apparel, we got all of that on there for you guys to go take advantage of if you'd like. Uh we got a couple bass boat hats left for our boating folk that want people to know they own a bass boat. If you're out the brewery, you know, you want people to know, hey, I want a bass boat. We uh we got those hats, those hats too. And I'll be I just shipped out a couple last week. Um, but we we got a few left. I'm looking at them right now. But uh feel free to go and grab those. Let us know if you do order one. Uh we'll send some Sears Angler stickers along with those. But uh uh was an awesome classic. Appreciate everybody that that tuned in um to the show uh from this week. The the real biology episode with Gene Gilloland. Uh, we have a lot more coming down the pipe here to uh kind of get back on track after a couple weeks of me being traveling and kind of uh the show's not taking a pause, but um not the consistent schedule you guys are used to. Uh as always, guys, make sure you go to OmniAffishing with some of the baits we'll talk about today. You guys can use code series10, save yourself 10% off, especially if you're a pro member. You get the discount, but also you get the rewards back to your account too to go and use on future orders. Get free baits because that always is nice. And they're always running sales over there, so take advantage of that. Uh, without further ado, we're gonna get into today's episode with Mr. Louis Minetti. Mr. Louis Minetti, back on the show. No stranger to the pod, no stranger to the networks. I feel like you've been on Lure Lab a good four or five times at this rate. But uh buddy, it's good to have you back.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

Thank you. I I appreciate you having me back. I uh always love chatting with you guys. It's so it's weird, like we were just hanging last week and now here we are uh podding. But yeah, dude, it's good to be here. What's going on?

SPEAKER_01 3:38

Yeah, man. It was uh it was one of the highlights of my day. Uh I think it was Friday when I went around the booth and I saw your face on our way over to see Louie's new glide and saw your face and like Louie. Here he is.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Dude, mine too. Yeah. No, yeah, y'all are some of my favorite freaking people in the industry. It's uh it's awesome to see just like what the empire that y'all are in the process of building, and the success doesn't surprise me any because y'all are good dudes and yeah, I love it, man.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

Appreciate that, homie. I also feel like when it comes to at least the classic, we have a beer telepathy where like we won't speak where we're going, but we always seem to find each other at the end of the night.

SPEAKER_00 4:15

So we totally do.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

It's like three years running right now. We go to a bar and like, oh shit.

SPEAKER_00 4:20

Yeah, yeah. No, it's it's so funny because Andy came up to me either Thursday or Friday, whenever whenever he got in. Um, and he was like, Yeah, we're around. I was like, All right, cool. Like y'all, y'all going out tonight? He was like, Yeah, yeah, we'll we'll find you. I was like, probably right, and sure enough, sure enough. We did so as fate would have it. Yeah, that's awesome. I love it.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

Well, dude, how was your classic?

SPEAKER_00 4:47

It was good. Um, it was weird, I will tell you that. I have not been through, visited, or anything Knoxville since 23. Um, so going to fish, right? Yeah. Um, so going back was bizarre. Uh like pulling in, like, you know how you come off the highway. If you're coming from uh the east, you get off the highway, you kind of go up a hill, and like just pulling up that hill, there's that red, green light there, and we stopped at it, and I'm like, I like entering the city, and it was just like my stomach flipped upside down. I was like, holy hell, like this is where it happened. Like, arguably the most I don't have, you know, a friggin' wife or kids, or like this is the most important moment of my life to this point happened right here. Like it was and I hadn't been back since. It was weird. Um, so in short, it was weird, but it was good. Uh, you know, it's it's the best. Catch up with everybody, um, share a few bevs, eat some good food. Um, I think it was an awesome tournament. Um just psych for Dylan Nutt just a year ago. Honestly, like looking at the date, like about a year ago to the day was the Pickwick Nation regional that he pooped on me in that qualified him for the national championship that qualified him for the classic. So um, I was one of the poor souls that he ravaged on his way to winning the classic, proudly enough.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

But uh you and everyone else, though. So I don't I don't don't feel bad, dude. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:27

No, but uh it was awesome. I think it was an awesome tournament. I I do is uh no knock on any one person whatsoever. I do wish the last two classics were a little closer. Um, I you know, even though they turned off Bass Track, which I think was an awesome decision, and I even like the time at which they did it. Um it's just been two tournaments that were essentially decided going into the arena. Um so I wish it were closer, you know, just for a little more drama at the way in. But the crowd was awesome, the energy was awesome. Um it was it was a good one, I'd say.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

Yeah, definitely been uh blowouts. That's that's for dang sure. Whereas like the classic you were in, there was some drama just because Gussie, you know, I would have been a different story if there was a 15-inch limit uh in that one, like there wasn't this one, but like obviously that one was coming down to like oh shit. Right. And I excuse my my French for all my folks that spent a little bit for for the the pod and stuff, but yeah, like coming back in, we're like, oh crap, my Gussie only has two fish. Yeah, and we're like, does he have it? And I I think I looked back, it was like half a pound difference or something like that from Schmidt.

SPEAKER_00 7:36

It was tight.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Um, and even like I I want to say Hamner's I don't remember exactly what the winning like the gap was, but it like we knew Camner was gonna win it. Um it's been a little while.

SPEAKER_01 7:53

But like still knew like if he caught a half you know decent limit, he'd have been fine.

SPEAKER_00 7:59

Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. And then prior to that, you had two of them more like you said, 23 was awesome and 22 Christy and Welcher at the end. That was incredible. Um yeah. I funny little story that that just reminded me of. There's got to be a statute of limitations at some point. Um final day. I'm fishing. It's like two o'clock, like it's the end of the day. I got I think I had three, and I was just giddy. And one of my buddies was following me in his boat, and he's like, Loo, like, freaking hammer down, dude. Let's catch him. I was like, dude, it's day three of the classic. I'm freaking, there's no shot I'm gonna win this. I'm eight pounds back. Like, they're I'm sure Gussie's smashing them. Like, it's I'm good, dude. I'm happy. And I just like he doesn't say a word, and I was like, that was weird. And I looked back over him, he's just like giving me this look of like he was watching Bass Track and he knew. And I was like, Is he trying to tell me they're not catching him? I was like, I don't care, I'm having a good time, but yeah, he did like give me a little bit of a nudge of like get your butt going, dude. Yeah, sure. I mean, I don't even think 20 pounds would have caught him, but still it was like, oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

Yeah, yeah. Dude, it was uh the I've talked to a couple people. The classic is awesome because you mentioned it's like a reunion to everybody, and especially being from the north. I've unless I travel south, I don't get to see any of you guys that you know are are all centralized in the states from the basket world. That is the the one negative I have about the classic is well, we're all worn out by the end of the weekend, that three days, but the one thing I do wish if there was some miraculous way to make it happen, which is impossible, like the amount of people that I would love to spend time with that I truly enjoy seeing to spend more than a hey dude, how are you? And then you have to leave again. You know, I want to have some meaningful time with people. It's that is the one thing that I wish because some it's never gonna be able to be solved, but like yeah, that is the one thing I see so many people like yourself, and I'm like, it would be good to go out and get some food with him, spend a couple hours together and never get to. But that that's a good thing and a bad thing about the class.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

Absolutely, dude. Yeah, I mean it it's funny like thinking about it, and I guess not like to knock you and like saying that, but it is cool that in fishing, like we do even get to do that. Um, you know, like if we're all working some corporate nine to five or whatever, like we're talking to the people that we that we kind of talk to, and like we don't get that almost college high school reunion feel um that we do every year. So it is cool. But no, I I totally agree with you. I wish that we got we all got to spent sit down and talk. I mean, there were a number number of people that I genuinely looked forward to that I didn't even get to see. Um I gotta make a couple calls this week, but yeah, it's already four days later. It's crazy how adulthood and work works, but um Yeah, we're talking about that.

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SPEAKER_00 11:38

Yeah, yeah. No, it's it's bizarre. Um, but good time nonetheless. And uh yeah, like I said, I that I'm glad we had this conversation because it's reminding me of people that I need to call that I didn't run into. Um, but no, it's I love it, man. I I love the classic. I've honestly, this is like a weird in like introspective comment I'm about to make. I I'm not sure if I need to go to vinyl weigns anymore. Like, dude, when I was you know working my way there and stuff, it was the most inspiring, like awesome, like I'm gonna be here feeling. And since 23, the last three classics, like being in that stadium at all, I just leave depressed. Like, I'm happy for the guy, whoever it's been, but like now that I've done it and not done it for three years, it is the worst feeling in the world. Um, yeah, I just I don't even know if I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna go. I I have to go. It's like you're not paying respect to whoever's about to win if you don't, but right, man, it's it's tough. It's it's like a weird deal.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Obviously, I can't relate on that level, even close to it. But I was I was talking to somebody about that after the fact, and I was telling my wife, because she that was her first classic, so she got to see all of it and like what it means to the anglers that care, and like obviously introducing her to hundreds of people I get to talk to, like yourself and uh dude, like even as a fan and somebody that just truly loves this sport for what it is, like, dude, seeing guys you know that I'm friends with and people that I admire go up on stage and just seeing the atmosphere that it is, like the politics, the Eastons, so on and so forth. Like, dude, you as a fan, I can't help but start getting choked up certain time because she looked at me on the final day. I've only took her the Sunday way in. I was like, I wanted to be a wow factor for first time in there, yeah. And uh, dude, it was like, I don't know what it was. I just watched Easton get up there after he just won the classic. Now he's made this giant name for himself, and just how good of a person he is. And I'm sitting there like getting choked up, and she saw it, she's like, Are you okay? Like, what's wrong? Something happened, like thinking like something happened, like family life. I'm like, No, I just love this. This is just this is amazing, and just seeing people's dreams come true, and just seeing the platform that you guys have, and just like when you get in that moment, like if you love this thing, man, you you get it, but obviously I don't get it on your level. That's a whole different thing. I can totally understand that. Well 100% of like, yeah, you see that stage that you've been on, and you want to get back on and just having that emotion come over you. It's I think it shows how much you care about what you're doing, man. How much you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

Absolutely, yeah. I mean, it it's it's wild to like sit back and think because the it's I have a hard like time battling, like, oh I need to be thinking about me, and like I'm oh that that could be my mom up there. But like, dude, the amount of people in that stadium that just would give anything to walk across it one time. Um, yeah, I need to think more about that, I think. And and I do, like, I I totally do think about it, but the competitor of me, like, just wants to hold the trophy. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:03

I even remember day three and twenty-three. Um, like my whole family is there, everybody that you know cares about me traveled a million miles to get there, and like standing in the family section, they're all just so pumped. And I'm watching Gussie hold the trophy, and I'm just like, like, I'm I'm not happy. I was that like afterwards, I gotta like it was a fin the weekend of my life.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Your competitor, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Yeah, yeah, like that's still there. Like, you can't shake that. Um, so it's it's such a wild deal. Um and there's you know, Red Crest is awesome, and National Professional Fishing League's doing awesome stuff, but you you can't recreate the magic of that tournament.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

You just can't so much history, dude.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

Yeah, dude. They they show the slideshow beforehand, and you get Racecott's there, and you like Iconelli and Takahira, like you're going through Kevin, like it's endless. Um, you just can't recreate the magic of that tournament. I don't I don't care what anyone says.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

There's only one bass fishing tournament that kids grow up dreaming about.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

Yeah. Yeah. That's just it. It's it's not a knock on any other tournament or any other league. It's just you're lying to yourself if you think otherwise. It's just as simple as that to me.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

Yeah. I'm with you, dude. Yeah. I'm with you. Yeah. Um, past couple years, it Deacon and I have been at the Classic, or you know, Andy's been there too. And Deacon and I have looked at each other. We're like, I'm not saying I have any aspirations to go pro because I do not. But like you said, you'd be lying if you didn't think I want to do something someday to get here.

SPEAKER_02 16:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

Deacon and I looked at each other, I'm like, dude, one of us has to figure out a way to get on the freaking stage.

SPEAKER_00 16:45

You do, dude. Yeah. And and it's that's why it's so cool that Dylan won and like to represent that route is so cool.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Like what 32 years since another nation guy's made it or won it.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

It's it's I don't know why more people don't fish the nation. It's funny, I ironically enough, my buddy who helps run the North Carolina chapter, he called me up yesterday. He's like, dude, how do we get how do we get more people participating? I I you know, we we brainstorm, and I'm gonna continue to brainstorm because I just getting that one chance, and like I just don't I don't understand why more people don't fish the nation.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

I I really think I mean this is the hardest way to do it, but the easiest way to get the participation is if they could be there on that final day. I think if you can be in that atmosphere, everyone wants a piece of that pie. Yeah, you know what I mean? But that's obviously a very hard thing to do to get them to go to that. But like um, if you could somehow transport that feeling to people, like I don't care if you're somebody that doesn't give a damn about fishing professional or anything like that. If you like tournaments in the slightest, yeah, you're like, I want to be there. Yeah, that's what I want. I want to do that one time. I want to feel that feel that rush.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

100%, 100%. And uh yeah, no, I I couldn't agree more. I when I come to talk and smack on sections of bass fishing, um, my biggest problem these days goes to like just the high school scene. I just don't know if it's grooming kids on the right stuff um and raising them on the right stuff. And I I wish that more of the high school um dads and boat captains and stuff like that, like that focus so much on making sure their kids win and making money, and like you see so much of these younger guys that jump right into jackpots, and a lot of them do well, but like a lot of them don't. And I mean, I wish that they would talk more about what the tournament is, what that tournament is, and like because when I was a kid, I came up in a club that was just still running, and like those guys revered that tournament. Um and none of them had ever been to it, like they just knew, like it they're just old guys that that's what they came from. And I just I wish that and hope that um they can not get back because we were just there and the magic's still there, but um, I wish the younger generation knew who Paul Elias was and like knew that he won Rick Neil and real like that's stuff that everybody should know. And you talk to younger kids nowadays in high school fishing, and they're more worried about where they can buy Sakamata shads than you know, which hey, I I get it, like I totally get it. You're worried about your world, but I just wish the stuff was taught more, I guess. Um, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 19:45

I guess I'm an old head at heart, which everybody that knows me knows, but yeah, and that that's an interesting dynamic because like when you grow up in sports, for the most part, you can't learn your craft without learning those who have paved the way. Like you hear these 18-year-olds that are playing the NHL, you hear them talking about all these different guys that are legends, you know, they know the sport where fishing is like you look at, I mean, these kids are coming up, they want to fish, they love to fish, but the th things they're studying is probably like they're watching current tournaments, and you know, and they're watching on any educational content on it, which typically is all prevalent stuff because of modern technology. Um modern technology, as in like YouTube, and there's not a lot of YouTube with some of these older guys that have created this history, unless you look at old magazines and things like that, or listen to certain shows like Ken Duke at Bass After Dark. I think he is he holds the the he's like kind of the grandmaster, if you will, of all the history of bass fishing. And you know, I think that's on a lot of the publications, like me, even ourselves in the podcast, where you know that's something that's on us, I think, to help preserve is who's helped pave the way of things like that. Um I think a lot of people are so hungry to learn right now in regards to the actual fishing itself, or sometimes it's like do they want to take the time to go learn about the sport itself and those before it? I understand that that that the time that comes out, but like we've done some cool shows, like we had uh Bob Lusk on who Bob Lusk was the guy in charge of managing all of Ray Scott's personal pods, and he told stories about Ray Scott for an hour and a half, and it was one of my favorite episodes we've ever done, and it was one of the worst episodes we did last year, which is crazy. Like, I you know, I just think I don't know if that hunger for that kind of education is there, but I think it's just as important as learning how to uh throw a minnow or break down water that sort of thing. But yeah, man, we could talk about this for ages, and I think we should, but like I know I also want to dig into because, dude, you're a shallow water freaking hammer, and one of Things is right now it's March, it's pre-spawn everywhere. Our lakes just opened up here in New York. Um, so people are you know biting at the bit to get out and get fishing, yeah. And you know, obviously down south, like they're already getting on bed. Like I just left Chickamauga, they started spawning. Um, but still there's a lot of places that are in that that pre-spawn stage. And one thing that I want to, I guess, kickstart this conversation of is like for the people that are getting out for the first time this year, you know, they had the boats put away, things like that. They're getting out on the water, the water's cold. Um, you know, they don't want to go to creek mouths and stuff and go throw a minnow or an A-rig. Yeah. How I mean when it comes to the power fishing aspect, obviously in my mind, I gradually build up to something more power aspect. Like I might start with a flat side and then work my way up to a chatterbait or spinnerbait, whatever. But how how do you operate that? What's your process of that? You're getting out of body of water that you know is cold, it's pre-spawned. When it comes to, I guess we'll start with bait selection of like, are you gonna pick up what you want to throw or are you gonna start a little more finesse and work your way there? Hey guys, real fast, if you are a fishing guide trying to book more trips and spend less time chasing DMs, you need to check out the Bloodknot app. Bloodknot lets anglers find, book, and pay guides all in one place. While you manage your schedule, availability, and clients from your phone. So it's less administrative work, more time for you on the water, more trips booked. If guiding is your business, blood knot is a no-brainer. Best part is it's free to use, extremely easy. Check out the blood knot app at the link below. Now back to the episode.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

Dude, you're you're you're gonna get me uh maybe I'm just in a mood. I don't know. You're gonna get me angry. I'm just I'm I'm first off angry at Mother Nature and the weather this year because, dude, North Carolina, we didn't have pre-spawn, like it didn't exist. Like there's places up in northern North Carolina, but it went from 40s to 60s like that. I mean, just the most bizarre spring, and honestly, it's it's kind of been that way, um, where it's just gone from like super cold to oh, it's just May now, um, like the last couple years. So I'm beyond spawn. Yeah. When you started talking about New York and I sat like, dude, I'm so jealous of you. Like, because New York, you're always gonna have at least a two to three week period, or sometimes it's a month and a half, but like you're gonna have a period where it's gonna happen. Um, I'm so jealous of it. I miss it so bad. But to answer your question, um I I've always been a more finessey power fisherman or more finesse shallow fisherman, with the exception being that true pre-spawn. You're 45 to 55 degree water period of time. Um once it kind of gets back and starts going north of 55, that's when I I start going the other way. Um, going back towards more finessey stuff. When a lot of guys start power fishing, I kind of like to go back finessey, but that like ice out kind of, you know, they're they're just starting to come up. That's when I'm I'm power fishing as much as I ever am. Um I like as far as bait selection goes, I try and keep it really simple. I've never been a big spinnerbait guy, um, but I know it can be, you know, I've had days it it can be awesome. I try and keep it really simple with like jerkbait, lipless, medium diver, chatterbait, jig. Like that's kind of it. Like it's a five bait rotation, and if I'm truly power fishing, like if I gotta slow down, it's the jerkbait and the jig. Um, if I gotta get moving, it's a trap and a chatterbait, and the chatterbait and mid-diving crankbait kind of can live in that that medium world of it, you know, they can kind of play from when it's super cold to when it's near in the spawn. Um and when you can do it on the textbook stuff, it's awesome. You know, the channel swing banks, the rocky points, stuff like that. I I like fishing flats. Um, I'm a big flat targeter, whether it be grass, stumps, pebble, you know, like kind of whatever your lake provides for you. Um I I just see flats as often overlooked and often places where fish will go to feed. Um, and even more so as I've you know gotten used to and pretty solid with using the forward-facing stuff, like that just kind of proves theories that I'd had when I was a kid, just going ponds and stuff. Like when they start when it starts to warm up, it doesn't take long. Like if it's a good warming trend, they'll get on a four-foot flat quick. It can be 48 degrees and they're up in three foot of water on top of grass, like looking to eat. So I like to target flats, um, especially with grass, but does not at all have to be. Um Lake Norman is like, which is I hate to admit that it's my quote unquote home lake, but it's the closest lake to me. I just I have the biggest hate relationship with that place, but it's it's the most prime example of that. There's hardly outside of one creek, there's hardly a blade of grass in it. Um, and your best pre-spawn, moving bait, power fishing bites are gonna be on the flattest places on the lake. It doesn't matter if that water's 43 or if it's 53. Like they want to be on flat stuff. That could be a spotted bass thing too. Um, but it just it seems to reign true. Um that's kind of how I like to approach it. Like if I'm looking for fun in the pre-spawn, that's what I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

So let me pitch this to you when and I'll put it in terms of when you're talking about flats. Um are you going to start in the very back or are you gonna start where that flat maybe meets some some some depth or meets a wall, you know, kind of where it comes to a sharper drop? Like kind of in terms of for people that I'm asking here is like, are you starting at the creek mouth or starting at the back of the creek? So, like in that terms, like are you starting in the back or you starting towards the front and working your way from the wintering hole to swanning ground?

SPEAKER_00 28:39

It's a good question. Um I the way I look at it is I I've always kind of looked at it this way. Um it's it's the one time of the year where I do like to fish creeks. Like I I'm a big main lake guy wherever I go. I like to fish the main lake. I think that comes from growing up up north where you don't really have creeks, like you're kind of just fishing the main lake.

SPEAKER_01 29:04

Like what the hell is that?

SPEAKER_00 29:06

Yeah. You roll up to Oneida, you're not fishing a creek, you're not like worrying about are they moving, like you're fishing the main lake. That's what you got. Um, but the pre-spawns, I I feel like a good time to fish creeks. Um, and the way I look at it, you know, on reservoirs and stuff down south is that and you know, there's reservoirs up north too, but fish aren't the whole like old wives tale of oh, they like work their way through the creek is that like that's just not true. Um, if you have a big creek arm, they're gonna winter there, they're gonna summer, like you can go into a creek and catch fish any time of the year. Like those fish live in those creeks. Um it's the fall and the summer and stuff where I feel like they will move amongst the creek a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

But in the winter, as long as you have the main creek channel, and like they're gonna be somewhere near that. Um, so I almost take the creek itself and treat it like I would a main lake. And like, okay, this is my lake for the day. This is the creek I want to fish, or these are the creeks, whatever. And I'm just gonna I'm just gonna pick whatever flat is on the main creek body. Like, I'm not trying to go into pockets that have flats, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Because they they will move from the main creek channel into the backs of pockets. I'm not you know saying that doesn't happen. It's they'd be ignorant, but I'm looking for flats on the main creek. So say, like if you use Lake Norman, you've got Davidson Creek arm, and that's like it's a giant creek, it's a quarter of the lake. And I'm gonna go about halfway back into the creek, and I'm gonna say, okay, what flats do I have on the main creek arm? Like, I'm not looking for a flat in a pocket or back in a bay or something like that. Like, I'm looking for a big flat that is somewhere on the main creek arm. And I'm probably just dropping the trolling motor close to the nearest point and just going over my heart desires. Like, yeah, like I grew up grass fishing up north. Again, like the best way to fish grass, Swindles talked about this. The best play, the best way to fish a Gunnersville or a Kissimmee or somewhere that's got big expansive grass flats is to just put the troll motor down and go. And you just you find you may not you find something you may not see. Like, you can certainly find ditches and go and graph around and look for a hump, but it can change day to day depending on wind blowing, watercolor, etc. So I like to just fish it. Like my buddies will make fun of me a lot because they'll see me just on some absolute nonsense. Just there's flat nothing. There ain't nothing on the bank, there's not a dock there, like just nothing. And I'm just fishing because in the event that you do run into them on a place like that, it can go down. Like, you can really run into them. This is especially true for grass, obviously. But even on Norman, like you'll just be going along, and for whatever reason, there'll be a little spot that's a little bit harder than the rest of the flat. And yeah, you could go ahead and idle it and probably find it, but we're talking about four feet of water, like your graph's not gonna read fantastic on side scan there. So I I I think a lot of the times it's just you just gotta fish it, like, especially this time of the year because those fish are active, they are wanting to eat, and you can cover the water, you kind of just gotta cover it.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

Yeah, that totally makes sense. Um, at what point will you pull out and go more towards the main lake? Is it just not having fish responsive or not bait present or what?

SPEAKER_00 32:51

I like to go towards the main lake once they start spawning. Um just because I don't have to think as much about like uh you go into a main creek arm, and there's a million pockets and canals, and like that's it's overwhelming to me. Whereas if you go and look at the main lake, typically because of creeks, like there's gonna be less of those little tiny pockets. Um, and I just tend to feel like could be wrong, your chances of finding a giant one posted up on a bed is gonna be somewhere on the main lake on the bottom quarter of the lake. It just seems to work that way. Um, I can't speak so much as for like TVA, which are like more I'd almost consider those you know, TVA is more so just a river than it is um a reservoir.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

It's a stone beast.

SPEAKER_00 33:46

Yeah, I any question about the TVA, just ignore me on because I don't know what to do. Um I only started catching them there once I had the screen. But yeah, I I just I like to look for main lake, small pockets. I like almost if you can find my favorite kind of pocket to find are like those little like half moon pockets where they're not really like a little like they don't look like they have a creek channel even. They just like look like a little half moon, straight up red on Lake Master. Yes. And it's just a little boop, like it's not it doesn't have a pointy shape, it's just a little like bay almost. Um that's what I like to look for. I couldn't really tell you exactly why, like with a down to earth or a I don't know, down to details kind of like explanation, it just seems like that plays out well.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

Yeah. I my question on the the you brought up the trap, and obviously trap is such a spring bait, but it's so synonymous with grass. You think some people are overlooking throwing that around those flats like that that don't have any grass?

SPEAKER_00 34:54

100%. 100%. Um I had uh it was just a little club tournament a couple probably like three weeks ago. This was you know before the one week, the three-day spring that we had here. Um it was still winter time three weeks ago. Now it's May. But I I rolled into a little place and what you I've uh a little deal that I've started to figure out, it's taken me eight years of living down here, is kind of like the Casey Ashley 2015 classic deal where he's catching those fish in the back of drains early in the morning, like pushing bait, and it's like a Carolina thing that they do, and I'm sure other places as well, where they'll get like freakishly shallow, even in really cold water. And like I've even I've never quite seen it myself, but I've heard stories of rolling in the back of a pocket that's got bait in it, and they're schooling, and it's January 15th, and the water is 48 degrees, but the bait's push back there, and it's just happening. It happens a lot after a warm rain. Long story short, um Norman is a flatter place than Hartwell or Lanier, and it's got a lot of those pockets that they do the same thing, like they'll push the bait back into them. They're not even herring, I think they're thread fin more so. And they'll get on these flat places, and I was just happening to be going around a point, looked into the back of a pocket, and there's two herons standing in the back of the pocket, blue herons, just standing there. There's no ripples, no nothing. I don't even see bait on my my live scope. Like, I don't see anything happening. It's an in it's six inches of water, but the herons are there. I'm like, all right, maybe this is the thing they're talking about. Grab a trap, fire it in there, fire it in there, like seventh cast, there's a two and a quarter. Six casts later, there's a two and three quarter. It's like, where are these fish at? But to your point, throwing a trap, there's no grass. I'm shoot, I'm ripping that thing out of clay and freaking leaves, but it's such an effective bait for when that water's cold. Those fish aren't the bait fish aren't doing a whole lot, but they are getting crowd around you that tight vibration, I think, is just it can be such a trigger that time of the year.

SPEAKER_01 37:10

Yeah, I I completely agree with that. And that is one thing, like in a world where technology seems to dominate a lot of conversations and how people find fish, those instinctual things and the signs from mother nature are still so prevalent if you let it be. Yeah. We were on Chickamauga the the week before the classic, and you know, I had one pattern going where they were just on bait at Creek Mouse, and I didn't need to practice many creek mouse because all I'm looking for is like I can look across the way where the other creek mouse are, and there's seagulls diving at these creek mouse. They're like, there's only one thing, reason why these seagulls are diving in the water. I'm like, okay, there's obviously bait there. There's obviously bait over there, there's no seagulls over there, so I might have to go graph that. But like, doesn't mean that there's not bait in it, but like Mother Nature can still show you, be like, hey, she's trying to tell you there's fish right here. Absolutely.

unknown 38:06

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 38:06

If you're willing to listen to that kind of stuff, dude, especially the herring thing, that is one for me now, especially in a shallow bite. I mean, it's been for for years now, but I'm just getting better at listening to it. Of like, there's a reason, especially birds. Like, there's a reason why they're there, especially these predatory birds. Like you get it herring, seagulls, and loons. Those are like in my mind the biggest three to look for. Like, oh yeah, warmer ants or whatever, those are like those are the drum of the sky. Uh 100%. Yeah. But like those three dudes, like, they're key indicators that there's there's food prevalent. There's likely if there's food, obviously there's bass. And um, so for you, like bait being present, that's a big factor for you, like when you're going on some of this pre-spawn pattern stuff.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

For the colder end of it, yeah. Um for the like coming out of the winter, more like I really, really try and focus on bait, obviously fall right up until like that same kind of thing, that 55 degree thing. Um, but it's hard to say, like I've I've caught them in places without bait. Um, you know, I've I've caught them ripping a trap or you know, running a jerk bait around. Like you can catch them without the bait, but when you're if you're looking for like and and wind's a big driver of that, current's a big driver of that where you may not have bait where you're at in that moment, but those fish are still positioned as if it's coming.

SPEAKER_02 39:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:37

So I think that that factors for sure. Um, but if you got no wind, you know, you don't have any current, I think to get on those reaction bait bites and a like a you know, the type of bite where you can throw at the same area or or cover the same water, I think you do need to have a lot of bait around.

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SPEAKER_01 40:24

Yeah, it seems like there's almost a point where like you're saying, getting out of wintering holes, you need bait for bass to be prevalent, but you head you said it, that 55 degree water mark, it's almost like something kind of switches for certain fish, where it's like as long as they have, especially when you're talking about flats, where it hits 55 degrees, they start thinking, okay, let's go make some, let's go dump these eggs, make some babies, and yeah, out of here. Where it's like they might move away from that bait, and you you might have these flats or bays, whatever it is, where they there's no bait there, but they're gonna be there because they have the water temp and they have a place to go and spawn. Right. Um, or and two, it could also be something switched where I've seen fish in one creek, um, it was actually on Chickamauga a few years ago, where it was within days, they switched from chasing bait to they're moving in the back, but this water was still like low 50s, and like, why are they here? It's all bluegills, those twitch. Yeah, it dude, it it being a fat man, uh, I put it in food terms. Uh, it's like you're do you want to go chase around a bunch of popcorn chicken, but you chase this bait close enough to this flat, and you see, all right, there's some slow-moving hamburgers swimming back there. It's like that's an easier meal. I'm I'm gonna go spend my time there, and then when I want to go, you know, drop some eggs, I'm already right there. Yeah. Um, and I saw that at Gunner'sville a couple weeks ago. It was the same thing where there was fish in the creek channel chasing bait, but I'm looking, they're blowing up in dirt, and I'm like, what are they there? And as soon as I get up there, I'm seeing bluegills everywhere and bass everywhere. I'm like, okay, so this is a whole different thing, it's a progression. Yeah. Um, but yeah, that that's that's it. Are there and especially flats, you see that night and day too, especially the gills.

SPEAKER_00 42:12

Yeah, and I think that's why like you can go and catch those fish without having bait around. And it's I think Carolina anglers especially get so locked into where the shad, where the herring, like, dude, they still eat crawfish, they still eat bluegill. It's just I think it's a classic example of yeah, the textbook is a good thing to follow, but there's always exceptions to the rule. Always. I mean, you'll go out on Lake Norman to use it as an example again, in 42-degree dead of winter, you know, cold as can be water, and you'll catch them in little pockets and like places they just shouldn't be. But if there's bluegill up there for whatever reason, whether it's the sun's warm and black floats on a 40-degree day, and a couple of bluegill want to go perch up there, like the hard rules that we have set in our minds are just not true. Like, not not entirely. There's there's always some truth behind them, but there's always exceptions too. And I think like uh it's I was literally going to this before you said it. Um, it's such a good point. Bluegill, I think, can be that caveat. Like, fish eat bluegill, they just do. It's been proven time and time again. It doesn't matter how many shadow you have in a lake, there's gonna be a popular population of fish that target them, and you have to keep them in your mind, especially when you're a guy like me whose nature it is to be in less than 10 feet of water, you have to acknowledge that as a forage.

SPEAKER_01 43:47

Yeah, absolutely, dude. Um, and then with that, looking at that pattern, well, I think one thing that call out too is like you you said it the textbook and getting away from That it can be you can learn a lot, and I've been forcing myself the past couple years of like I'm gonna go try what the textbook is telling me to do, and then I'm gonna do the exact opposite of what the textbook tells me to, and just like you're saying, you'll go and catch fish. And there's a lot of times where I caught bigger ones doing that, is getting away from what textbooks should be saying. Uh, and I think one of that could be is everyone's following the same textbook, and those bigger fish are getting pressured, and then they start doing something completely different. Totally. Which is which is awesome. Um, now if you don't have flats, things like that, and it's in that pre-spawn, you're going to a brand let's let's put you in a situation. You're going to a brand new fish or you've never been to before. Let's say there's no mapping on it either. Let's make it really hard for you.

SPEAKER_00 44:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

Is it still the same deal of put the trolling motor down or go? Or what's kind of your way to break it down? Let's give you a glacial lake up here where there's literally nothing but a bowl.

SPEAKER_00 45:01

Dude, it's what are you looking for? It's so bizarre that you're asking that question because I'm fishing the BFL I'm fishing on Saturday is on Smith Mountain Lake. I've spent like six hours out there total, and I am racking my brain on what on earth I'm gonna do because I've been looking at the map, and it's like every day I open up the map and I expect to see something different, but I don't. There are no flats on that place. It's just the banks just go down everywhere. Like, what am I gonna do? I don't know what to do. Like, this is my whole like well, the last three years, this is my pre-spawn thing. So I'll I'll we can dive into glacier lakes too, but like I feel like I'm dealing with the same situation this Saturday and I just don't know what to do. But I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. Just this is a real world situation. Yeah, you guys can go and check the friggin' BFL results on Saturday to see if I know anything about what I'm talking about. Um I'm gonna drop troll motor at the freaking boat ramp. I don't know the place well. I'm not practicing it. Like, this is a this is a real world situation, whether you're a tournament guy or a guy who's going fishing on Saturday. Like, you know, you if you're working nine to five and you're day to go fishing Saturday and you want to go to a lake you've never been to, like, you don't get to practice it. So like this is a I feel like whether it's a tournament guy or not, this is a real situation. Um, so I'm gonna show up, I'm gonna drop the troll motor where they put out the most tournaments, because at the very least, I know there's going to be some population of retreads there. Is it semi-front of pond? Whatever. We're fishing for money, it's how it works. And if you're going out fishing on Saturday for fun, you want to catch some fish. Retreads are there to be had. Um so I'm gonna go fish for them and just kind of what I want to do, and forward-facing zoner helps out a ton with this, is just get a feel, like just a feel of something to run with. What's gonna be in my mind as far as like just preconceived notions? Um, kind of like I said, like I'm gonna look for main lake pockets. I'm gonna hope they're a little further along than they are. Um and also go going back to that, like those fish that I look for when they're spawning, when that water does reach 55, that are coming, that are that I I look for on those main lake pockets, they gotta come from somewhere. Like just because I'm fishing the creeks when it's cold and I'm trying to target the main lake when it's a little warmer, like those aren't the same fish. Um so you know, I might look at some main lake points. I might look at some some places that are your kind of textbooky pre-spawn rock transitions, like on a place like that where you've got really steep banks, um, you don't have flats like you're talking about. I feel like it's you have to look for differences, um, whether that be a stretch of docks that have more black floats versus pole docks. Like, yeah, I would think those fish would pull up on the the floating black floats because they're they bring some heat. Like that would be something I target. If it's a place like a Cayuga or a Seneca that's a glacier lake, I'm looking for just a difference, like something different. Because those places, while they don't have creeks and pockets and stuff like that, they do have bays where you've got a point that comes into a to some kind of small bay. What I'll look for is like a place where I can try and fish it all. Like if I can drop the trauma motor on that point, I'm gonna fish all the way into that bay, all the way to the other point. And like somewhere, hope I get a clue. I'm looking for like one, maybe two clues. Um, Icon Ellie, you know, who's my hero as a Jersey guy originally, he always talked about no bite's random. Like, yeah, you hear people say, oh, you know, one bite's this, one bite's that, the third bites, that's a pattern. But no bite is random. Like the every bite tells some sort of a story, and you just have to listen to it. Um so when this time of the year, when stuff's changing, I try so like outside of the winter and the summer, so your spring and your fall, I tend to do better because I think I think well on my feet, and I think those two times of the year, you just have to. You cannot get locked into something. Something can work for two hours and then die. Something can work for 15 minutes and die. Even though you may say to yourself, oh, that was a random two bites I had in that 15-minute stretch, probably not. There was probably something that drove those fish to that place that they bit for a small window, or you pulled up late, or what have you. But you've got to be able to adjust quickly. And so that's kind of the way I'm gonna look at it is like it's a changing time of the year. Um, if it's a place that doesn't have flats where I feel like I can get fish that are coming, get fish that are going, get fish that are feeding, doing all sorts of different things, I'm just gonna look for a clip. And yeah, you know, same kind of ish baits. Um, obviously forward-facing throws a wrench in that, whereas you're gonna have a minnow and a Nico and stuff like that. But if you're just fishing and you're going out this that time of the year on a place that doesn't have a flat, I'm just I'm looking for a clip. Um and just seeing how far I can run with it.

SPEAKER_01 50:33

I like that. Finding diversity so that it gives multiple things going at once to give you a better idea versus getting stuck into one certain thing. Yeah, because dude, that was one thing I've been given advice of is like in this time of transition and how much how fast things change, you have to change fast with it. And be open to changing that. Like, I can't tell me people are like, Oh, I caught them on a chatterbait today, I don't know why they won't eat it, you know, or got a chatter uh caught them on a chatterbait yesterday, and I don't know why they'll eat it today, they won't eat it today. Well, it's like yeah, because it changed.

SPEAKER_00 51:05

Yeah, yeah. It's just gonna happen. And and the other thing too, and you hear a lot of pros talk about this, and I'm trying to get better at it personally, fishing not so much where they are leaving, but where they're coming to. Like a lot of your like Ot Defoees, like I've noticed it a lot with his game, is like you'll notice that if you watch a lot of Ot Dafoe, he'll get he'll have days where he doesn't catch very much, but he'll also have these spurts. I remember at Hartwell a couple weeks ago, he had a he had like a two-hour spurt where he was catching every other cast, and he was like back in the back of some pocket, like fishing one little point, and they're just coming to them. It's like you can set yourself up well if you know based upon weather that they're coming to a place, and and just if you know things like that where it just seems like they're coming to you, it's not a bad idea to fish to where they're fish where they're coming versus trying to chase them down. The flip side of that is you can strike out. If they don't come, you may not catch anything.

SPEAKER_02 52:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:08

But if you're kind of guy who's looking to swing or look to have a really special day, you're gonna have a much better day with them coming to you than chasing fish that are leaving a place.

SPEAKER_01 52:19

Yeah, absolutely. Well, dude, as we start wrapping this sucker up, I want to ask you. So you mentioned you you like to run some chalk when it comes to the bait stuff, but if you had to say a top three pre-spawn baits for a shallow guy, rank them in order, like one being the best, three being, you know, you might have it there with you just in case, but top three, what do you got?

SPEAKER_00 52:42

Chatterbait one. I'm such a chatterbait believer. Um, it's tough because working for Biz and helping design a lot of stuff, like we were in the process of designing one. This would be a fantastic time for me. Like, dude, you gotta go check. I I can't send you anywhere. We uh we do not have that thing done. But for me, it's number one. Um, just it's versatility, it's big bite tendency. Like, dude, look at what Takahiro did. I mean, yeah, that dude fished for four days straight, or it's what what how long are the tournaments? Six days, whatever. They that dude fished an entire tournament with one rod and one bait. Like, that is it's hard to do that in today's world, and that bait was a chatter bait. Um, and then you go and look at him, he's in Texas on Waco and he's doing the exact same freaking thing. I just think it's such a versatile bait, and that it gets bit from I mean 40 degree water to go as high as you want. Um so that's one I have to have. Um the caveat would be I'm I'm gonna say a crankbait. Caveat there being if I'm on a grass fishery, it is 100% a trap. If it's not a grass fishery, I'm gonna go something flat side. Um total shameless, not well, it's not a shameless plug because I'm not affiliated with them. The Jackal Bling 55, I love that thing. It's a little tiny flat sided crankbait, but it's got like a really aggressive rattle to it, and I think it's just it's an awesome bait where you can kind of mimic what a rattle trap does, but still get really good deflection. Um and it's it's an awesome, awesome bait for that. It's like an aggressive flat side. So that would be my two, and then a jig. Keep it simple. You know, it's you gotta have something slow. Jerkbait's hard to pass up to. God, three's tough. Um probably a jig, though. I just the jig is any top three, any time of the year, anywhere. I don't think you can leave it out.

SPEAKER_01 54:45

I like it, dude. Uh last thing we'll leave you with is the chatterbait has been, I feel like kind of the king of shallow for past five years. Do you think the chatterbait is still underrated, overrated, not as good as it used to be? Where would you put it on that scale?

SPEAKER_00 55:07

I think it's underrated on places that don't have grass. I think it's underused and under underutilized, utilized and underused on places without grass. Um, I think Takahiro is a prime example of that. Like, I think of like a Grand Lake. I can tell you Lake Norman is. Um just places that don't I it's not something that people that aren't used to fishing grass pick up. Um and so I think it is underutilized in places like that. Like, even like looking at the James River, like I fished tournament on the James River last year, and everybody throws a spinnerbait and a buzzbait there. I was catching them really good in practice on a chatterbait, fishing around the same stuff, and it's all hardcover. Like it's not stuff you're throwing a chatterbait around normally. Um, at least for some people. There's a lot of people I know that are out there that are like me that throw it everywhere, but I feel like the general consensus doesn't. And so I'm gonna say it's underutilized around not grass, so hardcover. And even like stuff like flats and stuff, like pea gravel, like why not? I I catch them on it on that stuff all the time. Like, there's no reason not to. And if you're looking for, you know, that kind of what's the word I'm looking for here? Um like I don't know, just in that not normal action.

SPEAKER_01 56:28

There's an there's something more erratic.

SPEAKER_00 56:31

Yeah, there's the word. You're looking for erratic, you can do it with the rod or the reel. Like, yeah, you don't have to just wind and reel it. Um, so that would be my answer on grass. It's hard to say. Like, is it overused? Are there times where they don't bite it because they've seen eight gajillion of them? Yeah, for sure. But dude, I mean, you get the right day on a 52-degree water grass flat. Like, there's a still a lot of times and places, I don't care if it's Gunner'sville, I don't care if it's Champlain, you just can't beat it.

SPEAKER_01 57:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:06

Um, so I'm I'm a big proponent.

SPEAKER_01 57:09

I like it, dude. I love it. Well, dude, as we as we wrap this sucker up, uh, it sounds like this year we're gonna have some uh some Luminetti on some YouTube action.

SPEAKER_00 57:18

Yeah, that's the that is certainly the goal. Now that I'm sitting here talking to you about it and someone's gonna listen to it, I feel like it's putting more pressure on me, which is a good thing because I gotta do it. Um yeah, the goal is to get a YouTube going hopefully next week, um, you know, and kind of really throughout April, May, and going into the summer, like really get it kicking, try and do like a once-a-month post. And my goal with it is to do it my way and have next-to-no format, like a little bit of fishing, a little bit of talking, maybe some tips, maybe a video of how the how in the world I got out of a situation where I'm on the side of the road, like kind of just whatever is going on. Um, so that's the goal of it. I'm gonna try and post once a week and get a bunch of you know short content reels and stuff like that out on shorts and reels and so on and so forth. So trying to trying to kind of get my name out there a little more. Um, you know, there's still some folks who remember me from way back in the day, three years ago, but uh try and get my name back out there because I'm itching to fish the opens again and and planning on doing it next year.

SPEAKER_01 58:37

Hell yeah. Well, for the people tuning in, we'll have that link down below, of course, once it's up. And so people can go subscribe, follow along, and uh see how the Smith Mountain Lake event goes. And we're gonna see, man. Because dude, like I said, you got an awesome personality, so I it's one people are definitely gonna want to subscribe to and keep along with me being one of them. Uh, but you'll you'll at least have one subscribe. Our one one listener that we have every show is my grandma. So that's all at least have my grandma subscribed to you.

SPEAKER_00 59:04

It's all that counts, truly. That's right. That's right. Yeah, thank you, man. I I really appreciate it, and thanks for having me on.

SPEAKER_01 59:11

Of course, dude. Yeah, thanks for for jumping on. And obviously, uh we'll be seeing a lot more of you on this show uh coming up forward. But uh always appreciate the time, man.

SPEAKER_00 59:19

Thanks, buddy. Yeah, you too.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

That is gonna do it for today's show, guys. A little bonus episode for you guys on a Friday, uh, as we are trying to get some more episodes up for you guys, get out of the inconsistent past couple weeks as we've all been traveling and going to the classic, fishing events, things like that as we get into peak season because it is now pre-spawn. Our lakes are open here in New York, and everyone is itching to get bastard. Make sure you guys go and subscribe to Louie's new channel. He's gonna be putting out some content here soon. Uh, and make sure you guys check out all the different brands that we work with that are running heavy discounts right now on a bunch of their stuff, uh, like road active suspension. If you're towing at all, you need to have road active suspension. It just makes life easier. Um, but you guys, this has been an awesome week. A little bonus episode. We have some awesome episodes on Monday coming up. Seriously, Western. We'll have a show for next Wednesday for you guys. Some awesome names that we have in the hopper, like Tucker Smith and Tristan McCormick, Julius Maisie, uh, and some more real biology episodes down the hopper as well. Uh, but just kind of getting caught back up. Appreciate you guys. If there's anything you want us to talk about, like topic-wise, or a guest you want to see, comment down below on the YouTube, DM us on social, send us an email. We'll be happy to look into getting those shows made up for you guys. We have some pretty cool uh panel shows coming back uh this month and next month for you guys as well. But uh as always, appreciate you guys for tuning in. We'll see you on the next one.