How He Caught a 14lb Bass! (Big Bass Behavior)

In this episode, Reece Martin drops in to break down the fishing trip of a lifetime: landing a true 14 lb Texas giant largemouth. We recount the entire story of that day on the water, exactly how this monster fish was caught, and the specific Texas post-spawn patterns we were running to find her. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:20

All right. Welcome everyone to the Serious Angler Podcast, where as always, our main course we will be talking and hopefully teaching you more about bass fishing, of course, some rabbit holes here and there. Whether you guys are here to learn or just hear some bass and banter, you're in the right spot. As always, I'm your host, Bailey Igbrett, and we have an awesome one for you guys today because not only is he a guest, not only is he a great friend, but the story that we're about to tell today, I got to bear witness of. And I'm it was one that will stick with me for the rest of my life. Um one that likely I'll never see anything bigger in my lifetime. And what I'm talking about is we have Mr. Reese Martin from Evolution Fishing, who's a partner of mine on the be the fish side of things. And I got to watch Reese catch the biggest bass of his life, a 14-pound six-ounce largemouth out of Texas. And we are recounting that story, talking about the cool intricacies of a fish that big, where it was living, why it was living there, the territorial side of a bass that caliber, and so much more with some Texas postponed bass fishing mixed in there. So if you enjoy a good bass fishing story and some awesome, some really cool nuggets to learn from, this is gonna be a great episode for you guys. But before we get into today's show, a couple things for you guys. One, at Omnia Fishing, you can still enter that giveaway to go fish with Seth Fighter, as well as there's going to be, in case you missed the 20% off site-wide sale from last week, there is a 25% off Great Lakes Finesse that runs until May 12th. So as of this episode, you have six more days to go take advantage of 25% off of Great Lakes Finesse, as well as this is preaching to our fishing guides. 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So extremely advantageous and happy if you guys have questions, if you're a guy that you're curious about things, or even if you want help setting up your account, they will do that with you. Extremely hands-on, great team over there. Check out the Bloodknot app. We'll link that down below. Or feel free to always DM us, send us an email, we're happy to help you and direct you and connect you guys with the team over there. But um, that being said, we have a couple different things, like we said with the Omni stuff, Blood Knot. Last thing, if you guys are looking to get your hands on some Sirius Angler merch, we are about to be launching some new stuff here soon. But also, we've been giving away some of the merch on our fantasy fishing live shows. If you miss those every Monday before a Bassmaster Elite Series event, we go live on the YouTube and Facebook pages for Sirius Angler and do a little fantasy fishing preview show with our crew and give away some of the Bass Bell hats that you can sit see here behind me. We have a bunch of those for sale. We got a new order in because you guys loved them the first time. So make sure you guys go get your orders in. We have some great episodes coming up. We have Cole Floyd coming up on the show. We have a couple guys from Minnesota from the Champions tour coming on the episode or coming on the show. Excuse me. I apologize. I cannot speak today. We have some awesome episodes, some new real biologies. I'm sorry, those have been kind of in and out lately. Steve has been a crazy schedule. I've had a crazy schedule. We've not really been able to get together to knock out a bunch of shows, so we have those consistently for you guys. So apologies there. We do have time filming with Steve this week. So hopefully we'll have some real biologies for you guys going forward. So submit your questions too for those for the Lake Hotline. If you want your questions answered directly from a fisheries biologist, we take those. If you want to just comment down below on YouTube, DM us on Instagram or Facebook, send us an email, whichever is easiest for you, let us know, and we'll have it submitted on the show. Folks, without further ado, let me introduce to you Mr. Reese Martin. Well, dude, Mr. Reese Martin finally got you on the pod here. We've been talking about, I feel like in my brain, when we were on the lake in Texas, I was going to get you on the podcast anyway. So let's think about all the content ideas we could make out of this day.

unknown 5:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

And then Colt, which is technically, I guess, your boss, literally held me to the fire when we were on the phone with him when he finally called you back that day. He's like, Well, I guess you gotta get Reese on the podcast now. Yeah, it kind of made perfect sense. Yeah, he kind of stole my thunder of asking you to come on the podcast. But uh here you are, dude. Uh hailing from Texas, and how are things uh been in the great state of uh Tejas that I missed dearly already?

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Uh it's been great, man. The weather's been kind of off and on. I mean, Texas weather. You get the rain one day and then it's 90 degrees the next day, but fishing's been good, things have been good, busy, you know, sticking out with work. Can't really fish as much as I want to anymore, but I'm doing it.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

But it's not really the same for you, I feel like, anymore either. You launch the boat and you're like, oh no, gotta go fish for eight pounders now.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

Yeah, it's really made my life pretty difficult. It's it's a weird feeling now thinking about fishing. Kind of have to set my priorities a little differently.

SPEAKER_02 6:03

Yeah. Well, we have so much to uncover from the day and the story here, and obviously I want to talk a little post-bond East Texas fishing too, but um because dude, there's so many cool parts to this story, yes, uh, that uh will make for an awesome show. And I guess I guess to lead it off is we decided we wanted to link a go bassin, and I guess when we launched, you'd mentioned I think that there was a 12 caught at the lake we were at.

unknown 6:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:32

But did you have uh realistic expectations when we launched the boat? I mean, what did you think we might have had a shot of that day?

SPEAKER_01 6:42

I didn't think I had basically zero expectations. I had kind of thought, you know, you were coming in, I I never really want to like take anybody out and then just go out and piddle around and mess, you know, mess around. I wanted to have at least an idea as to what I wanted to do. And uh my intentions were really to cruise around shallow and fish a lot of that deeper grass with you know soft swim baits and just try to fan cast. I didn't want to look at live scope all day and you know waste a bunch of time. I wanted to just try to catch a bunch of fish. So my intention was just go out and catch fish and probably put some numbers on my board, but yeah, the way it ended up, it I I would have never thought anything like that would have happened.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

Yeah. Well, I think you were saying that was the first time on that lake that you had scope with yourself, like, right? You first time I've seen that.

SPEAKER_01 7:35

It was the first time, so I had I have I'm blessed obviously to have access to two boats. So um the boat that I mainly use is a little 18-foot aluminum ranger, and that boat has literally a 12-inch live scope unit on it, and then the back graph is an old Lorantz, all it has is basically Navionics. The transducer doesn't even work for sonar. So I get on any lake and I just drop the troll motor and I'm cruising all day, and so that's kind of changed the way that I fish pretty significantly, and then uh the other boat is a 20-foot camus, it's got you know four graphs on it, it's got everything you could ever want. So we went out on the camus, and you know, it was the first time on the lake. I had side imaging, I had good mapping, I could really go out and actually try to you know figure some fish out. Yeah, um, but then you know the day goes on, we just start catching fish, ended up just being being afloating on the troll motor kind of day anyway.

SPEAKER_03 8:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

Well, I think there's a couple different mindsets, and it's I'm all for days where we want to go out, you already got them found, and let's just go beat the brakes off of them. And then there's days where it's like, okay, let's go discover this fishery. I love those days. Love those days. But when you're in Texas, there's a different mindset that I don't get when I'm in New York, and that's let's go head hunting for the day, because chances are every lake in Texas has a freaking magnum in it somewhere that you can have a shot at running into. Not saying there's not heads up here in New York, because there are, but that you run into a million other fish prior to that, which don't get me wrong, five and six pounders are great, but trying to find a freaking 10 plus pounder is uh you're gonna have to go through just about a million bass before you have your percentage of running into that thing happen. Um, and so I was just I was just happy to be in Texas and going fishing and uh seeing a cool fishery distracted by the big gators. I mean, literally, my video that's gonna drop literally the we start off by literally pulling up into one arm and it's a magnum gator just sitting there waiting, welcoming us right, yeah. Yeah. Uh which it was cool to see all that grass in there and see how just how many fish were in there. It's unbelievable. Which it was cool to see another perspective of scope was like just see how much is in the ecosystem because like we could see some fish inside, I feel like, but like not to the capacity that we're seeing on scope, which was pretty freaking sick, if you ask me.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

Yeah, and there was just fish you didn't even know were there. You'd throw a bait over, pan over to it, and you'd just see you know, 10 fish shoot out of the grass and start chasing after it. And that was every cast in that whole creek.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

Yeah, we'd see some on scope, we'd catch them, they'd be like a two-pounder or less, and we'd see a couple that looked a little bit bigger, and we just kind of like I felt like we were kind of going around just like meandering, just looking. We didn't really have like a set topographic line we're following, pattern we were following, uh, until we you I think we were going towards the middle of the lake, and you were just like, Oh, there's a log there, let's go check that out. And quickly became to realize that there was something on that log that it's like, okay, if that's a bass, that's different from what we've seen all day long.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Yeah, and uh it didn't look like a bass.

SPEAKER_02 11:07

Yeah, from there, dude. I want you to take it away and kind of give the people the story from chapter one to I guess the final chapter, and I'll fill in if there's any details, but uh I want you to take lead on this.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, I don't know. Where do I start here? It's uh honestly, it was probably if I I keep thinking about it, it's gotta be the most textbook big fish spot, I think. And just the way that everything worked out was so textbook. We had like it was right around noon, we had a miniature front roll in where it was like the wind picked up a little bit, got dark. It you could just tell that it's you know, fish were biting at this this point in time, and so we roll up on this log in the middle of the lake and put scope on it. And basically, this lake is I mean just sets up for giant fish to live in there. There's hydrilla that grows out in the middle of the lake out of 25 feet of water. Looks like in the summertime it'll top out. Um, and so there was a bunch of grass out there, and right up against the log, this log is sitting at a about a 45 degree angle away from us, and then in between us and the log, there's a patch of hydrilla that comes up probably 14-15 feet off the bottom. And right in that gap between the 45 and the grass, there was just that blimp that was sitting there. And you know, you see a fish on scope, and you know, you kind of like, oh, that's a big fish, but it was so big on scope that first thought wasn't even like, oh, that's a bass, you know, it was just it's either some yeah, a bait ball, a carp or a giant gar. There's a bunch of those in there that you know, that's the first thing that you think. And so I've got a seven-inch striking Z2 on a jig head, throw that over top of it. Um, and really the first cast, that fish sh kind of turned, showed interest in it, and followed it probably 10 foot towards the boat, nosed right up on it, thought it was gonna eat it, and turned right around. And so Bailey and I look at each other and we're like, okay, that's a bass, and it's big.

SPEAKER_02 13:20

As soon as it flared, we're like, oh boy.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

Yeah, that's a big one. And again, you see a fish that size on scope, first thing you think of is, you know, it's not a 14-pounder. It's a, you know, it's probably seven, eight pounder. It's a good fish, but you know, you never think that big. And so next cast, though the Z2 again over it, falls it again. And basically every single time this fish fall followed a bait, it turned straight back into that gap between the log and the grass. And we just assumed in that moment that that's where that fish is living, that's its home. It has dominance there for for whatever reason, that's where it wants to be. And uh we probably threw five or six different baits. I think so I started with the Z2, uh, Bailey. You picked up a small mooch minnow, threw it over it. It didn't move at all that time. Um, and then you picked up a big glide bait, threw that over it, sunk it down over top, didn't even move. I threw a jerk bait, threw a bunch of other baits at it. No interest. Seemed like the Z2 was really the the deal. And uh of course, in the middle of this, you know, we're like the squirrels, a dog with a squirrel. A bunch of fish start schooling up behind Bailey and I were like, oh, you know, we gotta turn around to catch it. So we turn around, grab, grab topwaters, and we both caught, you know, a two-pounder or so, and uh this fish starts sinking back down. I'm like, okay, we should we should probably go back to that fish. So we loop back around, and at this point, I'm like, I got a koike on deck, might as well throw it. So I throw the koike right up on top of this fish, sink it right down on top of it, and then the first cast does basically what it did to the Z2 on the first cast, came up and nosed it, turned right around, went back to its spot. And then on the second cast, did the same thing, went back home, but it like disappeared in the top of that grass. So we had no idea where this fish was. We kind of assumed it was in the area, and in my brain, at this that point in time, I was thinking, I keep making a cast directly on top of this fish's head. I need to cast, you know, five or six feet past it, and you know, naturally bring it into the spot. Still didn't see the fish at this point, and uh so I throw that cast in there, let it fall right on top of that grass, and give it a light pop. And as I do it, you just see on scope the fish just you know lights up on top of that grass, and I'm like, okay, there it is. Give it another pop. And as I go to pop it, it's just heavy. So I lean into it, and it's just a wall. And I I'm like, okay, you know, that's gotta be it. That was actually grass, uh tree, not grass. And then I just feel this deep head shake, and I'm like, oh, it's a bass. Oh, it's a bass.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

The whole tree lit up. Like, that's you could almost kind of make out to my memory because the biggest failure of my entire life, people came on this day, and that was not replacing my camera battery literally right before he cast it. Because it died just about dang near 30 seconds before we made the cast to catch her. Um, and you could almost kind of make out in that tree, you could see the flare. Like, I can't tell if she was in front of the tree or behind the tree, but you just all you saw was flare. And I'm like, there she's on it. And then I just no no words are spoken. All I hear is florical sink.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

Yeah, just load up, deep head shakes, and then you know, this fish obviously wasn't gonna do the normal thing, it shoots straight up from like 15 foot down, and usually with a you know, a giant fish, you would never assume that they're gonna come clear out, you know, of the water, they're gonna come waller, they're gonna roll. This fish, I mean, had to have cleared a foot out of the water, saw all of it on the first jump. Yeah, and Bailey and at this point, Bailey and I look at each other, we're like, oh my god, you know, just losing our mind. Yeah, and then that basically next thing happens, the fish dives straight down after that, starts peeling out drag next to the boat, and I've got a collapsible net in the back of the boat, and I'm like, Bailey, get the net, goes back there, gets it, and he has no idea how to figure out this brand new net he's never seen in his life.

SPEAKER_02 17:54

Yeah, that was that was interesting. I'm like, I'm gonna get this fish one way or another, but I couldn't. It was like the one that had a button to like you can push the the shaft the net forward into the no the net head, and I couldn't, for whatever reason, for the life of me, the button that's staring at me in the face think of how to collapse this thing. And I finally I feel like I got it like five seconds before you brought her to the surface. But all I remember was fumble handshaking, fumbling with the net. You're shaking. You're I feel like I could still hear you breathing in my brain from this memory, you know, just like let my leg shaking of like, do not screw this up, dude.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

It was just complete silence and just freaking out, yeah. And then I mean, luckily that fish just came straight up and rolled right into the net as she figured it out. And I mean, the second that that fish was on in the boat, it was just you know, what is this thing? Like, what did you do? Yeah, you could have told me in that moment that fish was 18 pounds, and I would have been like, Yep, yep, yep. I mean, I've never seen anything that size. Yeah, I mean, just pure shock. Honestly, the one thing that I took from that was I was scared of how big that fish was.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

What did I just do? Yeah, what just be terrified. Yeah, it dude, it was the magnitude of how big that fish was, not just like sheer size, but like the the build of it. That is to me what stood out the most was I've seen a couple tens, I've seen a 12 before, um, back in California, and that that was mind-blowing. But seeing that fish in the water when it came up and like its eyeballs looking at us, like I I didn't know what to comprehend. Like, it looked like a different species. I'm like, did you catch a Nile perch? Like, what is this freaking thing? Uh yeah, all I remember from from that, I'm I think I'm more bummed of not having the camera rolling for the reaction that we had after the fact than even the catch itself. I mean, that jump, don't get me wrong, I'm very sad about not having to jump on camera because I was perfectly straightforward the chest scene. Dude, I'll never forget that for my life of just the reaction of like, oh my god. And then we have Jim Bob behind us like a couple hundred yards. He's still scoping in figure eight, so has no idea what's happening right now.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Yeah, but yeah, we're trying to be quiet and uh freaking out at the same time, but yeah, crazy, crazy moment.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

Yeah. Well, it was I have to I have to give a shout out to old Steven Barden, who's my uh my co-host, um, my uh partner in the real biology, because we've had Natalie from the Sherlunker program uh program on several times, and as much as they have pushed me to advocate for submitting fish, we we did do the right thing and like we slowed down and were like, okay, what do we want to do here? Because obviously, what we haven't even weighed it yet. We're like, this thing's over 13. There's no way in hell, it is not. Um, and I I applaud you for protecting the lake because as much as I love and support the share lunker program, as you've seen because you live there, of what submitting a fish off a brand new lake, you know, like a lake that rarely is is talked about in the public for a Share Lunker of what it can do to that place where basically you go out the next day, you're there's not gonna be a parking spot at that ramp.

SPEAKER_01 21:43

Yeah. There was a there's just the thought of like, what is that? It's almost like there's there's a balance that's needed in the Share Lunker program. And it yeah, they do, I mean, obviously do an incredible job. I mean, for us to have the lakes we do and the fish we have in them, it's I mean, th that's not an accident. Um just in my head in that moment, with a small body of water like it is, it's like it's almost it I think it serves the lake better and that fish better to leave it in there and let it just live its life, produce what it's producing and Yeah, keep it keep a secret. A little small lake like that is just you know that they're they can't handle the pressure. It'll and over time, yeah, they're gonna just keep pulling big fish out of that place. Cause I, you know, if if I've seen a twelve and a fourteen caught out of there in the few times that I've been there, there's some big fish in there. So it's it's worth protecting.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

And I'm sure that happens more often than we realize too, if people with the same mindset of like, we'll let Ivy and Fork and all these places submit their thirty, you know, 20 plus Sherlunkers a year. That'd be fine in that regard. But uh, I still remember, and I have the footage, I think I already posted it on Instagram, but it'll be in the video of like, dude, there is a very good chance that that was the biggest fish in the whole lake. Like that was King of the Hill.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

It was in the spot where you would assume the king would live.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

Very territorial, like we could pick up on that, and that was one of the the coolest freaking things that we could not have done without forward facing is seeing how a fish of that caliber behaved, like mind-blowing stuff that you know, we've heard about how fish behave and things like that, but seeing that real time of how territorial it was where a fish like that when you have an apex predator in any area, they're gonna have their place to be. Yeah, and it's only their place, they want the best spot in the house. You know, they have their one recliner in that house that they love to sit on, and it's nobody else. Like that's that's Papa's recliner, and no one else is allowed to sit in it. And it's seeing that happen in front of your eyes, that was freaking badass, dude. I was nerding out thinking like that. It was so freaking cool. Um, yeah, and especially when we were talking about it after you know throughout the day was like the window that we lucked into to try to catch her with that front moving in, the timing was just perfect for a feeding window.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

Yeah, everything about that fish catch to the to the weather, I mean, everything went flawlessly. Uh and the crazy thing is the the setup I was using, I had used it the week before, didn't retie, got 15-pound fluorocarbon. I had an eight-pounder and a tree that scraped my line all the way up, probably 30 yards up into my reel, rubbing against a tree, never retied it, and just went back out and fishing caught it. I mean, everything went perfect on that fish.

SPEAKER_02 25:01

See that detail I did not know, and I'm really glad that she didn't break off because we both probably would have cried uh if uh if that fish came off just for the pure fact of not knowing, especially if you broke it off after the jump. I mean oh my gosh, yeah, it would have been there.

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Yeah, I'm selling, I'm selling the boat, I'm selling all my fishing rods, I'm I'm done.

SPEAKER_02 25:26

Never listening to music again, just riding in silence. Oh, but it was yeah, dude, it was freaking sick getting it in the boat, and then looking back too of all the natural presentations that we gave that fish, and you pick up the freaking toy key, this little dog toy looking thing that she just went bananas on. It's just absurd.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

Wild, yeah. I mean, some about it, uh you know, I have I don't really understand what it is or why. The only thing that I can assume that why it works so good is it's so different. There's nothing like it. It's got a big presence, gives off a lot of feel uh to their lateral line, and it just they're interesting, you know, they're curious. They don't I've always somebody told me this growing up, and I've it's always stuck in my head, bass don't have hands, they only have a mouth. So if they're curious, they're gonna bite it. So I think that's really playing on curiosity and especially with that fish, it was just you know, it was almost like a bed fish at how aggressive it was. You just got a bait in there, gave off enough presence, fishers gonna come up and eat it eventually.

SPEAKER_02 26:41

Yeah, yeah. I mean, the funnier ways I've heard it talked about was uh, you know, sometimes in those scenarios, you know, she she was Shrek. We were in her swamp, and we threw things she probably sees all the time. We're like, ah, that bird, it's harmless. Ah, you know, whatever. That that's a squirrel, it's no big deal. And then I've seen it. You threw something in there she's never seen before, and it's like, all right, you better get out of my freaking swamp. Somebody can eat their ass, and then oh, she's like, Yep, I'll take that. Thank you. Yeah, um, but yeah, I and it was funny too, is because you were talking during the day, you're like, Yeah, I need to figure out my better rigging for this koiky. Cause he was like, Yeah, I lose a lot of fish or whatever. I think you dumped a seven or an eight or something like that, like a couple days prior. And uh oh, you stock her perfect.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

Yeah, I mean the one that I need it to, it's good. I'll you know, it's kind of hard to switch it after that, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Now that bait's hanging up, ain't it?

SPEAKER_01 27:39

Yeah, I've got it on a so Colt, uh, my boss, he he bought me a little uh clear display case with an LED light in it. So I've got it just hang hanging up in the office. So every day I come in the office, I'm looking at this quickie rigged with the same knot and everything, still still tied up.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

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SPEAKER_01 28:22

Yeah, no, that's this is the the real pain that's come later. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

Yeah. So talk on talk on souvenir number two that was a little bit more intimate than that fish gave you.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

Yeah, so really, you know, first time we weighed it, uh, we were shocked. Second time, you know, I wanted to double and verify how big this fish was, you know, make sure it was properly zeroed out. I didn't want to, you know, I wanted to make sure I had the right weight. So I go to weigh it again the second time. And at this point, I'm holding the fish and it, you know, it's got so much weight, it flops. And as it flops, the back dorsal fin uh just sticks me right in the knee. And it once it sticks me in the knee, I'm like, okay, you know, I've been stuck with fins plenty of times, like, you know, this isn't gonna matter. Um, but turns out I got two thirds of an inch long pieces that stuck in my knee, broke off, and they're right in the tendon between my kneecap and my lower leg bone, whatever that bone is. And basically the the next week uh prior, it was just you know, like that deep bruise feel you get. It was my it was my whole knee, so I could I couldn't extend my knee at all. It was hobbling, limping around everywhere, and uh having explained to people that I got fins in my knee. And now I'm crippling.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

You should see the other guy. That's a pretty good one. Yep. So are they still in your knee right now or did you get them out?

SPEAKER_01 30:00

They're still in there. So um I basically was on two rounds of antibiotics. Um, I had a knee x-ray and I had a CT scan uh and met with an orthopedic surgeon to see really where they are and if he was thinking it would be worth taking them out. Um and so he told me to reach out to him whenever I feel like I want them out, and I'm I'm on like the fence on whether or not I want to get them out because I'm I'm still a little bothered by it. Like it's there's a little bit of residual pain in the muscle there, it gets real weak quickly, but I'm hoping my body like encapsulates them, you know. She's always yes, yep. I'm I'm half half expecting to wake up one morning and have a dorsal fin come out of my back or something, be green.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

Hey, you become the new world record at that point. I mean, I don't know what's more badass is to have it still in your knee by the age of 60 or to have those fins like with the hang like on the wall hanging up. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

Well, we'll see.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

I feel like you should like stick them in the koiki as a part of the koiki appendages, but oh now we're talking.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:24

Yeah, it was it was pretty dang cool from that standpoint. Uh it added to the story. Um, but we we got you mic'd up and immediately started filming after the fact once I realized uh that I was stupid and didn't put a battery in in time, and also dumb for not putting a back camera on the boat. Um, but we got to you know film the release, get some awesome photos, tell a cool part of the story. And I remember just like I think we sat in your boat for a good at least myself for 15 minutes. I started fishing again because I was fired up about a 14. But uh, I think you sat there for a good hour. It's basically like, boat's yours, dude. Just go do what you want. Yeah, you made your rounds calling people, and that was pretty awesome to experience and film a little bit of too.

SPEAKER_01 32:10

Yeah, it's a it's a very surreal feeling. Like, I mean, it's uh there's like a excitement and a weird feeling and shock. It's mostly shock, but there's like a level of like I caught a fish so big I may never catch a fish anywhere. You know, it kind of makes you I've had to kind of rethink how I want to go about fishing and over the next you know, future really as to how I want to go about it, you know, because last three years really since you know I left college and doing the whole college fishing thing, it I've just been so locked into just trying to catch a giant and to be able to catch a giant to where I don't know if I'll ever be able to beat it. Kind of, you know, I'm like, might might want to do some tournaments now. So yeah, maybe rethink some things.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

Yeah, dude, it sounds similar to the mindset of Olympians. They win that gold medal, they're like, all right, now what's next? They're like, they're you hear about what I think it's like Olympian Depression or whatever the term is called, where it's like, okay, I I climbed Mount Everest, now what do I do? I guess in your case, it's like, is there a bigger mountain than Mount Everest that's actually possible? Which in the state of Texas certainly is. Um, but you know, that personal best is like you skipped everything and you went right to 14. And uh, so in that case, it's like I'm almost glad it was you and not me for the pure fact of like I would have jumped from eight to fourteen and it's like, well, I just ruined everything for my side. Yeah, uh, I take that back, but I'll never say no to a freaking 14 pounder. But um, so you talked a little bit about obviously the bait and you had 15-pound tests, but walk through that whole rod reel line setup because I'm sure some people are gonna be curious.

SPEAKER_01 34:03

Yeah, so I I've kind of messed around with the rods that I've been using, um, and I've really landed on one rod. It's uh it's the Alpha Angler uh the clutch is what it's called. It's a seven foot five medium action rod. Uh I I hear a bunch of people talk about heavy action rods, uh, but for me, really, the way that I'm rigging the Quickie, I'm throwing just uh three-ought Zappu. Basically looks like a giant wacky rig hook. Um, I don't really see the need for a heavy action. Um, and so then I'm throwing 15-pound fluorocarbon. Uh had a Shimano Metanium, I think 7-1 to 1 gear ratio. Um, and just for me, it's I'd rather have the ability to load up a rod on the the cast to fling it out there because that's kind of a weird bait to cast. Uh, I feel like if you have a really heavy action rod, it'll end up just kind of flying a little bit weird in the air. That that limber rod, you kind of slingshot it up pretty good out there. And yeah, then when then once you get the bite, it's almost like a crankbait. A lot of times you see those fish on scope, and as you know, you're working that bait really aggressively, it's almost like a jerk bait. And a lot of times you end up setting the hook and then it pulls it out of the fish's mouth, and then so you kind of want a delayed reaction on your rod so that limber and that medium action rod just loads up and really lets that bait settle in the fish's mouth. So it's really been the best way that I've figured it out.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

Yeah, and I I teased Boomer, who's the owner of Alpha Angler rods on our fancy fishing live last night. But he wins the award for the most anticlimactic reaction to somebody catching a 14-pounder.

SPEAKER_01 35:52

He was so casual about it.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

He's like, Oh, nice. I was like, dude, that's the biggest fish most likely ever caught in your rod. Like, I think he was a little jealous. Yeah, he probably was jealous. I hope he's listening to this right now. Uh, but yeah, he's like, Oh, nice. Like, dude, he's caught a 14 in your rod. Uh, but it was cool because we were comparing notes on on the Koiky, and I've thrown it not the full cast that much up north, but down south. I've been adopted the I saw one way a guy was rigging it that intrigued me where I think I had almost kind of like the exact opposite of you where to you were you're talking about the heavy action rod where I had a four-out flipping hook through the middle of it with a Nico weight and a frog rod, and I was hitting them. Uh where it was like granted, I didn't get to test it out on a 14, but like for the ones that I did get to set the hook into, it was it was working. But like it's it's cool to see some of the different nuances that guys work with and play with. And granted, it seems like the uh the Koike King right now, Peg South. It doesn't seem like he's let loose how he rigs his yet. Because every picture I've seen so far, he hides the hook. Uh I've seen guys use the quads, you know, guys use a similar rig. We were talking about the Zappu. Um, you know, Milliken, it looks like he uses something that's very similar with that style of like it's it kind of looks like a wacky hook. It almost kind of looks like a giant talisman. I think it's I don't even know what hooked it is, but you see different style of riggings right now. It's it's intriguing. But um from that though, dude, I feel like the rest of the day, granted, it was fun as heck with that top water bite and everything we got on. I feel like we just kept giggling like every five minutes.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

Oh dude, I haven't had that much fun fishing in probably my whole life. I mean, we were just um it was the most like free-filling fishing, you didn't really care. It's not like you were gonna go out there and you know beat it. So we're just enjoying the day, and yeah, and then you get on you know a nuts topwater bite at the end of the day with you know two pounders. It was it was fun.

SPEAKER_02 38:01

Yeah, absolutely, dude. Well, that video I'll have for the folks that are tuning in will be on my personal page tomorrow as you listen to this episode that drops on a Wednesday. So that'll be on my personal channel. You get to see some like actually see the fish if you guys are intrigued, which they fish, they're gonna be intrigued to see a 14-pounder. Um, but talking a little bit, switching gears, is there anything we missed about that 14-pounder story?

SPEAKER_01 38:28

No, I think we covered it.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

Yeah, I don't think we missed anything. I did think for sure old Jim Bob was gonna come over and figure out why the hell we were hooting and hollering for so long because we weren't exactly quiet about that after we you caught that.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

Yeah, no, he just trolled right on by and didn't say a word. No, it's probably these damn kids.

SPEAKER_02 38:47

Yeah, scopers, these damn scope. Yes, he was scoping the whole time too. Yeah, the best part. Um, but switching gears a little bit late, you know, that pre or the post-spawn East Texas bite. Like for people that are currently in that region, or you know, it applies to anybody that are in these timber reservoirs, but how do these fish set up when they get out of the spawn? Like, what are kind of things are you looking for besides a big giant log in the middle of the lake that is like screams big fish? But uh besides big logs in the middle of the lake, what kind of things are you are you looking for in the post-spawn?

SPEAKER_01 39:22

My my favorite thing that I've always done straight after a spawn is super shallow points. Uh whether that's a secondary point, that's probably where I'd start as secondary points. Um, but super shallow and really in like six foot range. And it's like this is when you throw crankbaits, this is when you throw a 10-inch worm, and that's when it's you know, it's that's it's game on. Uh Carolina rig, I'm a huge fan of Carolina rig, uh, and the post-spawn, just really fishing slow. Uh, that's been kind of my my best way to do it. A lot of those fish, you know, they're so worn out from spawning, they just want to chill on some areas that they don't have to do a whole lot of work. Um, that's usually my go-to. Frog in the mornings. I love frogs. A lot of our lakes are in East Texas, they're shallow fishing based. Um, there's select lakes that you'll go to and they're very shallow oriented oriented. Um, especially the lakes that you got like hybrid bass inside of those. Um, typically those those fish stay a lot shallower. So uh like a lake around me, it's Lake Palestine. Those fish, it's a relatively deep lake, but those fish they they won't go deeper than 15 foot of water majority of the part of the year. So shallow frog morning, evening, and then yeah, I'm I'm dragging a Carolina rig and a big worm.

SPEAKER_02 40:50

Is that because you think shad and gizzard chad and all that, that's when they start to spawn? That's why those fish will get up though up there, or is that them basically retreating their progression of pre-spawn to spawn?

SPEAKER_01 41:03

I'd say it's probably a mix of it, everything. Uh, you're getting fish in an area where they don't have to do a lot of work. A lot of those shallow points are gonna be clay-based, and that's where a lot of our fish in East Texas love to spawn, especially Lake Fork. Those fish get up on them shallow clay points, and you find a little bit of wind on them, and then especially there's a little sneaky deal, especially on fork, you get a lot of that wind on those clay points, and it turns up a little bit of that muddy water, and you just throw like a jerk bait across that in the mornings. Big fish do that. It's kind of just a perfect stomping ground. They're gonna be coming from the spawn, they're gonna just be able to sit, feed up all the baits coming right to them.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

They kind of like the Livesy fork big spook bite. That's kind of what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_01 41:53

Yeah, it's per. I mean, that's exactly what he's doing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:57

Oh man, twist my arm. Terrible time. Yeah, sucks. Yeah. Um, well, dude, outside of that, the the post spawn is some of my favorite times to fish, personally, because not only one does like you mean you rattled off like six different baits right there, it expands one, what you can throw, two, where you can throw it, because there's gonna be fish all over the place. Um, but two, you still I feel like the post-spawn, even though everyone glorifies the pre-spawn, the post-spawn, I feel like is when the most aggressive fishing happens.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

Yes. And that's a there's a windows for sure.

SPEAKER_02 42:35

Yeah, you might not have your heaviest fish, but you might have some of your most fun bites and windows that you can kind of go throw whatever the heck you want.

SPEAKER_01 42:43

Yeah, very predictable fish, too. That's my favorite part. You just you know where to go, put all the things in your favor, you'll find fish.

SPEAKER_02 42:52

And then from there they go and they go roam the abyss.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

Yeah, and then you're like, okay, I haven't seen a bass in you know three weeks.

SPEAKER_02 42:59

Yeah, guess they're out on bait balls. Yeah. Love it. Well, dude, uh, to start wrapping things up, obviously, you being with Evolution, you guys have been doing some freaking badass stuff. Changing kind of how people approach tackle storage from the tackle bags to the storage compartments that are you know what you'd think would be like a$70,$80 box, as we've learned for the past few years. Um, people have been making these giant premium, super expensive boxes, and you guys have kind of turned that on Ted. And uh with that, I mean, can you talk about anything that's coming? Uh kind of what your guys' you know, your motto is over there, or anything else about the evolution brand?

SPEAKER_00 43:42

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SPEAKER_01 44:12

Yeah, I mean, really from like a high level, what we our intentions are with all of our products is just. To create products that we would want to use. We're a very small company. I think we have like 12 of us total. And our main office, we have three people in it majority of the week. So it's very small, which is great for us because we're able to be very nimble. But we're all end users. We actually use our products and for us it really just makes the job like super easy. I saw this video online. This is what this guy is doing. So we're just taking in a lot of what we're seeing, what we're experiencing, and putting them into products. And I guess from a price standpoint, we're we have a really good relationship with our factories, and that allows us to be to make really good products for the price. Yeah, be more nimble with that. Yeah, we and we don't really want to over-engineer a lot of our products. Like we have we put really good features and quality into our products, but we're not gonna put you know every single thing into our you know our tackle trays because we also understand that you know one guy wants one thing in this tray, another guy might want something else. So we try to keep it specific but as nimble as we can. So most of our trays you'll see, yeah, there's there's some technique specific in there, but there's also a lot of room for you to kind of customize and build your own setup. Um, and for us, that allows us to keep our prices down because you know, the more that you put into them, uh, you're really just creating us a really high-end product, and we're able to do really high-end features, but keep a good price, and you know, it's fishing, it's something that we all do on our free time. We're not trying to rip rip people off because they want to tackle box to protect their fishing gear, you know.

SPEAKER_02 46:26

Yeah, so save that extra money for the gas prices nowadays. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:32

So yeah, and really new products. Um, we've got a lot in the hopper. Um, we just hired on a new uh director of product development. Um, so he's really been kind of keeping things on track and pushing things down the line for us. So um we've got a lot of new ballistic trays coming. A lot of those are going to be 3.6 sizes, so 3,600 sizes of some of the trays that have uh been taking off in the 3,700 size. We really just because we are small investing in tackle trays, uh, like one ballistic mold is like$50,000 to open. And then so you trying to do four trays in a year, that you know, that that racks up some investment for the company. So we've we've had to start with the main the main sellers and the the mass uh that we'll be able to get out, and then that kind of helps us to get out the you know the smaller trays that you know for the kayak guys like yourself where you you need to stick multiple trays in a in a location. So we got a lot of those. We have a my my personal favorite that's coming out is uh calling it the jig locker for the ballistic tray. It's a new jig tray. Uh I have a prototype of like 75 jigs in it. You can see every single one of them held securely. It's it's legit. So yeah. Yep, got that coming. Um, and we're quickly trying to build uh a new dice style storage solution. Should should be out during ICAS.

SPEAKER_02 48:09

So you're saying I don't need to hang 30 koikis from the top of my truck anymore.

SPEAKER_01 48:14

Yeah, I mean you don't have to. I mean, it's kind of cool looking though.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

Uh I think it was Polinek that made the comment. I put out a post like that on on our Sears Sangler page of joking with people like how many else's who else's truck looks like this, and it's just koikies with hooks hanging on the top of your truck. And Polonek, I think, commented on it and was like, you better be careful because you post that, somebody's gonna break into your truck because there's a lot of money right there and some high demand sitting in the roof of your truck. The wife doesn't particularly like all those koikies hanging in her face when she rides shotgun.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

So it's looking forward to I've seen your truck on them travel days. You got that thing loaded down.

SPEAKER_02 48:54

Yeah, it's there's no organization.

SPEAKER_01 48:59

We'll work on some stuff for that too.

SPEAKER_02 49:02

Yeah, which is much needed for a guy like me because it's it is when I leave the house now, it's the most organized OCD thing you'll ever see. Now give it two days, and it's like a bomb went off in my truck. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, not not ideal, but it's uh we got some stuff coming that will help solve all those problems. Yeah, so looking forward, looking forward to that. But uh dude, I guess anything else for the folks before I hit you with our last question, which I'm sure you know is coming.

SPEAKER_01 49:31

Uh, I mean the last thing I got is we just posted today on our social medias. We are we're looking for a marketing coordinator. So you want to come work with me? We'll be working hand in hand. Uh, we we're really trying to pluck somebody from the industry, someone who's an end user, knows what they're doing. Um, yeah, just you know, passionate about the outdoors. We want to make good products for people. And so uh we've got the listing. If you go to our Instagram, it's evolution fishing underscore official. Go to our bio. There's a link tree, click it, and it'll take you to the indeed listing. You can drop a resume, or you could send an email to our customer service email, and we'll uh we'll get back with you.

SPEAKER_02 50:17

So what I'll do is I'll put that in the notes for everybody too, so they can go right to the show notes of this episode. Click on that. We reshared it on our page, but we'll have the actual link in this show right there for you guys. Can go and tap into that and go right to it because I heard I heard working for you guys is guaranteed 14 pounders now.

SPEAKER_01 50:36

So yeah, I don't know. I mean it's yeah, you might be able to go out to the lake with me.

SPEAKER_02 50:43

So yeah, you get to go fish for grease anyway. I mean, it sucks you're stuck with Colt, but you at least get to go fishing. Yeah, well this is our test for see if he's listening. This is our test. Yeah. Well, cool, dude. Um, love that. Love seeing more positions being hired, especially in the industry, because I can't tell you how many emails and DMs that I get personally, not just to the serious language page of like people asking for positions around the industry that are available. And I one, I love seeing that because of the hunger of people that want to be involved in the space. So that's that's freaking sick, and obviously, you guys gotta hop on this. Great opportunity, great team. Um last thing, last question, as you know, it's your first time on this show, which is terrible that it's taking me this long to get you on here. But is and you know it's coming, but if you had three different people to invite to dinner, as you know how it goes, they could be alive a thousand years ago, could be alive today. Any three people that you'd invite to dinner, watch.

SPEAKER_01 51:48

Yeah, so I was prepared for this. I think this was coming. Yeah, I I threw around a lot of names, but I feel like I've got a pretty well-rounded three. So my first one's Jeremy Wade. Can't beat Jeremy Wade.

SPEAKER_02 52:03

Dude, would you believe it? That's the first time his name's ever come up on this show over 600 episodes later.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

Really?

SPEAKER_02 52:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 52:09

I feel like that's like a you know, that's a the goat. I figured that would be the yeah, he's the he's the man. It's too many stories he could tell you, especially where you know, everywhere he's been around. Um next would be Johnny Morris, you know, like the the business part of me would love to kind of hear like you know what he has to deal with and also like just the history of everything. I feel like that'd be a a wild pairing right there. Absolutely. Um the last one is the man himself, Theo Vaughn. You gotta have him in there.

SPEAKER_02 52:41

Yeah, yeah, he gets uh he gets to orchestrate the conversation.

SPEAKER_01 52:45

Yeah, I'm just sitting back, I'm eating dinner and I'm listening. That's really what's what's gonna go down.

SPEAKER_02 52:51

Oh, yeah. That's awesome, dude. That's a pretty banger three right there. I feel like between Jeremy Wade and Theo, Johnny Moore's be sitting there like, how did I get myself involved?

SPEAKER_01 53:02

Somebody's gotta buy dinner, so dude.

SPEAKER_02 53:05

A Jeremy Wade on Theo's podcast would be so unreal cool.

SPEAKER_01 53:09

Dude, it would be so cool.

SPEAKER_02 53:10

You'd either be super boring or like the best podcast I've ever heard in my entire life.

SPEAKER_01 53:16

Yeah, very different people, but you could see a meshing pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 53:22

Dude, I bet you Jeremy's a freaking hoot around a campfire with some with some whiskey or something. I bet you he's a riot.

SPEAKER_01 53:29

Yeah, all the stuff that you know everywhere he's been, yeah, he's got so many stories for sure.

SPEAKER_02 53:35

Could you do you know how crazy like if that guy tried to go walk around the classic? Do you know how like I'm sorry, Kevin Van Dam, but the line would trump his to go meet Jeremy Wade.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

I'd be in that was everyone's childhood, even if you didn't fish, you still watched River Monsters.

SPEAKER_02 53:54

Yeah, because every show they were setting it up like some person got was gonna get eaten alive on the show.

SPEAKER_01 53:59

Like I'm so locked in. This guy got his leg bit off by a catfish, you know.

SPEAKER_02 54:05

Yeah, I remember they went in a muskie show, and I'm like, you come on now. But like still the whole show, I'm like, yes, yes, teach me, Jeremy. So freaking cool. But dude, thanks for taking time out for this. This is freaking awesome to tell the story and uh looking forward to showing the a little more about the story. I'm still depressed. I didn't have the fish clip, but either way, uh telling the story in the video form. But uh, unbelievable. 14 freaking pounder, and she's got two of her spines still stuck in you. She's she's wondering where those went right now when she's swimming around that leg. Uh you'll be back to visit her, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hopefully next year she's a pound bigger.

SPEAKER_02 54:44

I was saying, I we literally said it on the water. It was like, dude, you need to set a reminder on your calendar this day next year to come fish this log.

SPEAKER_01 54:55

I will be back. I will be back.

SPEAKER_02 54:58

Have you named her yet?

SPEAKER_01 55:01

No, I haven't. I haven't even.

SPEAKER_02 55:03

I think you gotta give her a name. I think she's got enough going around now that you gotta give her a name. Like we're going back to see old Bertha or something along the lines.

SPEAKER_01 55:12

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 55:13

You have to give that some thought because that's a yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:16

This might be like a comment section. We might have to see what some comments section say.

SPEAKER_02 55:20

If people are still listening right now, throw some names out there because we could give you some help here. But uh we'll we'll put that on the gram too. Maybe we'll toss that out, see what we should name her.

SPEAKER_01 55:29

Yeah, let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 55:31

I like it. Well, dude, thanks again for taking time. We'll definitely be getting getting you back on here. Uh, and telling hopefully some more big fish stories here soon.

SPEAKER_01 55:39

Yeah, yeah. I appreciate it. Yeah, thanks for having me on.

SPEAKER_02 55:42

All right, and that is gonna do it for today's episode. Thanks, Terese, for taking the time out and just an incredible story. And I'm still kicking myself for not having the specific 30 seconds of fishing footage of his catch. But we got all of that and more before and after the fact. Literally, I have footage of him casting at the fish, footage of me throwing that glide bait at the fish and the fish following my glide bait out, following his baits out. But unfortunately, I do not have the official cast to catch. But I have the aftermath and a lot of footage of the fish itself. So you guys will have to go check that out on my Be the Fish YouTube channel tomorrow night if you're listening to this on a Wednesday. Otherwise, it'll already be out up on my channel. But guys, this was an incredible one. Appreciate you always tuning in. Next episode, we'll be having recent BPT winner Cole Floyd on the show, as well as we will have a couple of the guys from Minnesota for the champions tour coming on here, previewing that in Minnesota, which is a pretty big deal. They compete to win boats. Uh, pretty big trail over in Minnesota, and we love to highlight the different locations around the country and like the West Coast, Minnesota, whatever it is. We love to highlight the different things that are awesome going inside the world of bass fishing. But you guys are amazing. As always, please like, subscribe if you're watching on YouTube. Leave us a rating review if you're listening on MP3, and we'll see y'all on the next one.