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Ep 41: Gospel, Gettysburg, and Abraham Lincoln: A Spiritual Investigation (Part 2)

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Ever wondered how profound faith impacts a war-ridden battlefield? Come journey through history with a twist of divine intervention as we delve into part two of our riveting discussion. It’s one of faith, history, and the lessons they both hold for us now!

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Interview with:
Pastor Cliff Whitehead, Senior Pastor
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The Gospel and The Gettysburg Address Conference
Friday, November 3rd – Saturday, November 4th 2023

Join Pastor Cliff Whitehead on a brand new Gettysburg Tour!  This tour will be a two-day/ one-night tour where you’ll:

• Learn about how the Gospel influenced Abraham Lincoln in his writing of the Gettysburg Address

• Learn about how Lincoln’s faith influenced him in his life and as President of the United States during the American Civil War

• Consider his knowledge of the Bible

• Walk in Lincoln’s footsteps:
Day 1 Route– From the train station that Lincoln arrived at to the David Willis’ house in which he stayed the night before giving the Gettysburg Address

Day 2 Route– From the Willis’ House (next to the hotel) to the Evergreen Cemetery where Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg Address

• On each route, learn about the town of Gettysburg and the impact the battle had on the town and its people

Interested? Call (732) 892-1445 and/or Email info@fellowshipchapel.org
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Speaker 1

I want you to listen to plays on World Radio. There was a guy named Julius Limebat, a clarinet player, and this was the colonel was a colonel Henry Bergman. So he's watching and he's praying for the colonel that he might come to trust Christ as his savior. You know we find out later that he did, because what happens is on the first day of the battle he's mortally wounded, shot through both lungs, and he's lying on the battlefield and I quote his words exactly. You know there, but you can tell that he's embraced Christ as his savior.

Speaker 2

Hello and welcome to plays on World Radio, where we discuss, analyze, work and play on the word of God. Thank you for joining us on this excursion. Today let's join Pastor Teddy, also known as Fred David Kenney Jr, the founder of plays on World Theater, as he does a deep dive into the word of God Amen.

Speaker 3

Amen, amen. All you out there plays on World Radio Land. We're going to continue with Pastor General Cliff Whitehead and our Gettysburg excursion. Check it out On World Radio.

Speaker 3

We are here with Pastor Cliff Whitehead from Encountering the Word Radio right on the bridge and Fellowship Chapel. He's the senior pastor here at Fellowship Chapel and this was my home for a while at Fellowship Chapel and this is a dear brother in the Lord and a, would I be wrong in saying a historian. Thank you, a historian, and a lot of all those you that know I can. I can see you nodding your heads, those of you that have been on the Gettysburg retreat, so you know that I'm right when I call him a great historian. In fact, it's common knowledge for anyone that's been on a Gettysburg retreat with you that the Cliff Whitehead tours are way better than any of the paid tours that you could pay somebody for, because Cliff knows where all the. He knows where all the bodies are buried. He knows the top secret places, man, it is an incredible thing.

Speaker 3

So welcome to plays on World Radio. Thank you, ted. And that wasn't an overhyped introduction either. That was not hype. That was those of you that have been there. Please back me up on that before we get into the Gettysburg. One thing that I ask people all the time on the on the radio program is how did you meet Jesus?

Speaker 1

All right. Well, I grew up in a home that you know. My mom and dad went to church all the time was grew up Catholic, but even from a young age I was just drawn to the Bible, you know, just reading the Bible, and so that went on for a number of years. And then, you know, as I grew older, I get into high school, and when I was in high school I think I was a junior or a senior my brother went to Furman University in South.

Speaker 3

Carolina. And this is the beloved Vinny Whitehead who has appeared on the radio program.

Speaker 2

We must say yes.

Speaker 1

Yes, well, we both have faces made for radio I can.

Speaker 3

I can hear Vinny going. Hey man brother.

Speaker 1

So, anyway, when I went down there, vinny played for Furman University and they were playing against the University of South Carolina. What did he play? Baseball, baseball, okay, I'm sorry, yeah, baseball. So, and they were playing against the University of South Carolina and at that time Bobby Richardson was the coach of the University of South Carolina and after the game, the Christians on both teams.

Speaker 1

There was a media for the campus crusade for Christ and, you know, bobby Richardson shared the gospel there and I, you know, I heard the gospel presented very clearly at that time. And then, a short time after that, we also went to another campus crusade for Christ outreach and there was a magician there named Andre Cole, okay, and he was a believer and he would present the gospel using, you know, a sleight of hand, tricks, as an illusion, and then at the end of the show, he actually went into debunking some of the seances and things like that, showing them how people are manipulated. So at the time, vinny and I were doing close up magic, you know, and so he, at the end of the show, presented the gospel and I believe that was the first time that I gave my, you know, I prayed to receive Christ as my savior and then after that the hunger for the word of God just continued to grow. There are some things from the Catholic church I respected in the sense they gave you a how can I say? A reverence for God, even though maybe the teachings were always accurate.

Speaker 1

But as I grew in the word it was more about like I wanted to go somewhere where that could be taught the word of God more, and so that led us to. At that time my brother had been was up at the Baptist church up in Atlanta, kylons up near where he taught, and we went there and just grew in the word. And then I had was a competitive, distant Toronto for years and so I continued to compete in that and eventually the Lord let me out of that. I went as far as I could go. I guess my potential, and then got into teaching and coaching and then eventually I felt a call to the ministry and it all came out of a passion for the word of God you know.

Speaker 3

so that's it. I mean I don't quite get people that say they're Christian but don't don't have any, any desire for the food of word.

Speaker 1

Yeah, I think that's one of the signs of a true someone who's really been spiritually born again, as opposed to, maybe, a head knowledge. I think is that hunger for the word? Yeah, but really quick to on that subject, you know, the passage of scripture that really deepened my walk with the Lord was Luke, chapter 10, verses 38 to 42, where Mary and Martha in their home. Jesus comes in and Martha's serving, and then the new American stand. When you know Martha complains about Mary not helping her out and just sitting there, you know Jesus gently rebukes her right. He says, martha, your word, concerned about so many things, but only one thing is necessary. And that really just left off the page at me and saying what Jesus was saying was that sitting at his fellow shipping with him is the most necessary thing. I love to teach, I love to study the word, but my favorite time is when I'm just having my devotional time with the Lord, just fellowshiping.

Speaker 3

You know, and just yeah, instead of searching for the sermon, just letting the Lord fill you. And that's that, john 15, abiding, abiding in him, which goes with Luke. Which is said, and there is a consistency with all the stories everybody who's met Jesus, not one person, has failed to mention the word, the role of the word of God in their meeting. That's how we get to know him. You can't just you can't get to know God outside of the word of God, because he is the word of God. So I have people to say, well, I go by, you know it's, I feel it, I have feeling. Well, your feelings can lead you astray. You need something that is objective, that's outside of your feelings, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1

It's a and I think that big difference between relationship and fellowship. You know, like, in other words, when you know your wife Katie or my wife Mary Beth, if we go away somewhere, you and I someplace somewhere else, and we're still in relationship with them, but unless we call them on the phone we don't, we're not fellowshiping. You know, and I think there's a lot of people that maybe in relationship with the Lord but they don't deepen their intimacy through fellowship. Great point.

Gettysburg Ministry and Spiritual Warfare

Speaker 3

I love it. Great point, that's excellent. So see why we love this guy right. And while we're on the subject, tell us the address of fellowship chapel. If anybody is in the Point Brick area or New Jersey or United States or this side of the Atlantic, feel free to stop in. What's the address? What time is it?

Speaker 1

170 Dutchess Lane, okay, in Brick Township, new Jersey, and we are a church, a non-denominational church, very similar in philosophy to Calvary chapels. In fact I'm on the board of Calvary Chapel Crossfields up in Jamesburg. So very similar in philosophy, yeah, so most of the teachings verse by verse of the Bible, and so that's kind of in a nutshell. Yeah, but anyone's welcome to stop by and see what we're about.

Speaker 3

Amen, amen to that. Yeah, and it's a service at 10 o'clock Sunday morning. 10 o'clock Sunday morning.

Speaker 1

Then we have a Wednesday night, midweek at seven, all right, dinner at six, seven at seven.

Speaker 3

Hey, I didn't know that I might, and it's free. What I did not know? That I'm on a budget. I might have to come by and have a meal or two. Man, Wow, that's great, okay, yeah, so, besides introducing you to the people that are listening, gettysburg when I went on the Gettysburg retreat the first time and this is 2007, I think it was fantastic because the parallels that you made between the way things coagulated, for it was almost like a storm. It was like you're watching a storm on the weather channel, but you see clouds starting to come together and you just sit and watch it and the next thing, you know, you got a hurricane going and it started out with just a few clouds over here and a little low pressure, high pressure. The way you explained Gettysburg was fascinating to me. I was like wait a minute, well, look at this. And then you made parallels to the spiritual battle that believers find themselves in all the time. Let's go back to the beginning of Gettysburg, how you ended up at Gettysburg, and then tell us about this ministry.

Speaker 1

Yeah. So anyway, you know, I've always had a passion for history, in particular the Civil War era. Sca had a fellowship with Christian athletes meeting there in 1990 before they, I think they're still currently in Kutztown, they go. Yeah, so, but this was in Gettysburg and when I went there with my brother to coach there, you know it kind of I hadn't been there in a while and so I started to get interested back again and I started to read some biographies and one of the biographies I read was Robert E Lee's biography and at that time I didn't realize how strong a believer he was. And then that went into, you know, also a guy like Stonewall Jackson and his faith. So I started to look at it and I became interested now because when I had looked, been to Gettysburg before I wasn't as deep in my fellowship with the Lord as I was then. So I started to really take notice of these testimonies, of these guys on both sides really who had strong faith in the Lord. And you know, sometimes the whole Civil War era is sometimes too simplified. So you had guys on both sides who were believers, you know, and so their testimonies, a lot of them, really strong and powerful testimonies.

Speaker 1

So you know, as I started to think about the battle of Gettysburg and I started to be teaching more of the word of God and so forth, like that, and I was interested in studying spiritual warfare, you know, actually my wife, mary Beth, said you should put together a ministry where you combine the Gettysburg and the spiritual warfare. So I thought that through and I said, wow, that is something that and I felt the Lord drawing me to it, and the original intent was to teach about the battle of Gettysburg during the day and then at night use the object lesson of the physical battle to teach about spiritual warfare, like Paul used the Roman armor. So that's what developed and so that's when we go out there, it's three days and two nights and we do the battlefield by day and the teaching by night, and so it really, I think for many people who told me, it really helps them to visualize the spiritual battle and helps them prepare more for it. But over the years, and even more since the last time you were there, one of the things I was always collecting, even back at the beginning, was quotes from the soldiers on both sides, because I love to get those, the guys who were there and what they said and it started out and I still use them, the quotes about the battle itself.

Speaker 1

But I've also been able to gather quotes now of Christians on both sides and share them in the location where they were at and their testimonies about Christ, their faith, and so that's added to the ministry. So now, when that particular one, that three days and two nights, it's a study in spiritual warfare. You learn about the battle against these birds but you also start to learn these. You hear these faith quotes by these guys. Back then there was one general Colonel who came to know Christ on Sunday and the battle of Gettysburg started off on Wednesday and at the camp meeting pre-battle of Gettysburg, sunday.

Speaker 3

Before he became a believer yes, oh boy.

Contemplating History, Slavery, and General Lee

Speaker 1

Yeah, at a camp meeting. Is he a union or is he a confederate? He was a confederate soldier and so he was coming in with the 26 North Carolina and on the Sunday they were about 20 miles west of the Gettysburg, making their way towards Gettysburg, and they have a service. Both armies had services on Sunday for the soldiers who were believers, and there was a guy named Julius Limeback who was a clarinet player on the 26 North Carolina Regiment BAM, and this was the Colonel was a Colonel, henry Bergwin. So he's watching and he's praying for the Colonel that he might come to trust Christ as his savior. You know we find out later that he did Because what happens is on the first day of the battle he's mortally wounded, shot through both lungs, and he's lying on the battlefield there, just, you know, just before he's taking his last breath, and I quote his words exactly, you know there, but he's basically you can tell that he's embraced Christ as his savior. Wow.

Speaker 3

So more of those things are coming into that. I love it, I think because there's such encouragement, especially when you see guys on both sides praying to the same guys you just said. This guy, he gave his life to the Lord. That completely goes in opposition to the prosperity teachers that say come to Christ and everything will be fine.

Speaker 2

This guy came to.

Speaker 3

Christ, he got shot in the chest. That's right. It's not always roses and flowers and candy, unfortunately, the faith teachers will they kind of prey on that.

Speaker 1

but that's an incredible story that you just told there and as Jesus said, you know right, yeah, In the world you have tribulation Right. Take courage. I've overcome the world, you know.

Speaker 3

Yeah, so that's fantastic. So you ended up at Gettysburg because of an FCA event.

Speaker 1

Yes.

Speaker 3

That's. Was Harry there at the time? Yes, he was. Yes, he was the stat man. Yes, he was Just imagine Harry doing the Gettysburg retreat. You know, over here we have Stonewall Jackson. You know he got shot. It was friendly fire. It was friendly fire before it was friendly fire, but then I could just he's the stat man. Nobody gives stats like Harry.

Speaker 1

Yeah, and then Bill Gorski was the dean, yeah.

Speaker 3

Yeah, oh man.

Speaker 1

I love it.

Speaker 3

I believe you. I remember you collecting and sharing correspondence from people that were on the battlefield. I remember being kind of amazed, like these guys, what they had paper and pen and they would just start writing. But it's similar to us if somebody was to collect text messages. Absolutely, from today, we text each other and text each other scripture, and not much has changed. The medium has changed because it's digital. But these guys, this was their text messages, I guess right.

Speaker 1

Yeah, they would write, you know they would write. Some of them kept diaries, you know, of what they were going through. Some were writing home to their wives or their children. Or you know even the ones who didn't have as much education. You know, some of them had only gone as far as fifth grade, others had gone through high school and college, you know. But they all seem to be able to say things very how can I say powerfully and concisely?

Speaker 3

Yeah, the use of the English language. I was amazed at just the words that were chosen. It was, it's so poetic Compared to today looking back at how they expressed themselves. I was just fascinated reading that stuff. You know, and tell me about General Lee. You told a great story after the war about him and the brother that goes out for communion. But you know, general Lee, he kind of got a raw deal, I want to say about four or five years ago when this nonsense this woke nonsense.

Speaker 3

This let's revisionist history. Let's just paint Everybody were a broad brush. If you were part of the South, then you were automatically, in fact not the ADD. But am I correct in saying that many of the generals, it was not because they were racist slave owners that they fought for the South, but it was that it was the state's right federal issue is that.

Speaker 1

In the South you had rich plantations owners, right, and some politicians that would want slavery to go on forever, you know, and so they were. You know they definitely didn't want to. They wanted to break away from the union so that they could maintain slavery forever. But that wasn't true of every person in the South. You know what I mean. So in other words, you had a guy like General Lee, who was a West Point man who graduated from West Point career military man and he marries Mary in relative of Martha Washington, and so she inherited slaves from the Washington side, the family. So now her father told General Lee after they got married that 18 months after his death, a year and a half after his death, he wants Lee to give the slaves their freedom. That was in his will.

Speaker 1

Okay, so now, so Lee was not the you know. In other words, he was not the one who got the slaves. He inherited them, or his wife did, mary Custis did. He followed his father-in-law's will when, the year and a half after he passed away, he gave those fellows their freedom. So he was somebody who didn't necessarily believe in slavery. See, back then too. I think one of the problems people have now is that they don't take into account that nobody in the 21st century thinks like the person in the 19th century. It's a totally different way of thinking.

Speaker 1

So you had I mean you had racism in the South, but you also had even those who were for getting rid of slavery had racism in them, right?

Speaker 2

You know what I mean.

Speaker 3

It's like not all of them, Not all right, but we look at it through a very skewed lens.

Speaker 2

Yes and a selective lens.

Speaker 3

It's like, well, we're going to just ignore certain things and we're just going to focus on.

Speaker 1

And I mean even slavery was an evil thing. Don't get me wrong. It's just that you got to try to put yourself what was the mindset back then, you know. And so a lot of the Southerners were basically fighting. Because with the South is because back then you thought of your state first, then the country.

Speaker 3

You would say I'm Cliff Whitehead from New Jersey. I'm an American, but I'm from New Jersey, right, you know that's the state took a lot of preeminence.

Speaker 1

Right. So Lee was, you know, when he was the war started he was a Virginian, right, he was a Virginian.

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Speaker 1

So he was. Lincoln actually offered him to be commanding Union Force.

Speaker 3

He passed all night, didn't he? Yes?

Speaker 1

He was great and passed all night and he basically said that he, you know, couldn't raise his sword against Virginia. And so you know, and so he resigned his commission. So you know, it wasn't an easy decision. I mean, the man was a career military man and all the generals.

Speaker 3

All of them were under him at West Point, like I mean all the Army generals.

Speaker 1

Yes, at one point right.

Speaker 3

Or he led them in the Well.

Speaker 1

He was not only a graduate at West Point, he became the superintendent.

Speaker 3

Right, he was that's what I'm saying Basically all the guys that were. You take all the generals for the Civil War, both sides. He probably graded their papers, or whatever I mean he. Basically they learned from him. I mean, wow, what was that like for one of the Union guys to be like I'm going up against the lead? Oh, my goodness, man.

Speaker 1

But let's go back in a little time. Just want to touch on the racism. Yes, you'd go back to the Revolutionary War times. Ben Franklin, right? They asked him once he used to meet in Philadelphia with these other guys, philosophers, and they met and they it was like Morris.

Speaker 3

Hill, but it was in Philadelphia. Exactly exactly right.

Speaker 1

That's exactly right. And so someone asked him did he think that the black man was inferior? They asked Franklin, and Franklin goes, well, let me get back to you on that. He thought about it. He said let me get back to you on that. So what Franklin did was he went, at this time, pennsylvania. They had slaves in Pennsylvania. So he goes out to Pennsylvania to a farm where they had slaves, and he stayed there for a month observing and he came back and he answered their question. He goes. My conclusion is that they're not inferior, they just lack opportunity. And so, but now, how many people take that before they answer the question? They don't take that time to really think about it.

Speaker 3

That's fascinating. He was wow.

Speaker 1

You know so, and of course slavery kept them from the opportunity.

The Civil War and Gettysburg's Importance

Speaker 3

So If we stay in that Declaration Constitution era, right there for a second, when they were working on the Constitution, there were factions that said let's throw in, let's abolish slavery also. But have they done that? At least this is what I've read. Had they done that, the Union at that time it's possible would not have been able. We wouldn't have had a United States of America in a sense, because it was too radioactive. They kind of punted and the Civil War was a result of that punt. But there were people that wanted to deal with slavery even back at the founding of the nation. There were indeed people In fact there were Christians that were like, wait a second, we need to deal with slavery right now. Let's found the nation and get rid of slavery. Sure, absolutely yeah, I didn't mean to go on that route.

Speaker 1

No, that's okay, that's okay. But again, I think sometimes people just put things in like a cookie cutter thing. They don't really look into it deeply to you know.

Speaker 3

Now I have a question. We'll go back to the Civil War. How important is Gettysburg? How important is this, this battle?

Speaker 1

in history Very important. It's one of the major turning points of the Civil War. So, in other words, pretty much from the start of the Civil War you basically had two theaters the Eastern Theater, the Western Theater. Yeah, actually you could make a Middle Theater too. You know, just east of the Mississippi and then west of the Mississippi. But pretty much from the very beginning the Union had successes in the West. You know, that was never really too much in question out there. But you see the North like, in other words, when the war started, they had to basically conquer the South. Because the way Abraham looked at it was Abraham Lincoln looked at it was that they never really left the Union. You had people rebelling, okay, so he was looking at the South.

Speaker 1

This is still part of the United States, regardless of what the rebels are saying. Okay.

Speaker 3

So you know it was an insurrection, right.

Speaker 1

So yes, so he never recognized the Confederacy.

Speaker 3

Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, I haven't thought about that. He never like never officially recognized it. He just always saw it as a rebellion.

Speaker 1

Right. So he hit the North, had to conquer the South, conquer them from the rebellion. So they had to. You know so that by land, sea they needed to conquer the South. So most of the battles you'll see are fought in the South because the North is invading the South.

Speaker 3

Okay, and from the perspective of the South, they saw them as the invaders.

Speaker 1

Yes, exactly so you know. So they basically the South now certainly didn't have the manpower of the North or the industrial industry, right, they produced the weapons and so on. Yeah, so the whole idea was for the South. They didn't have no designs on conquering the North, but they wanted to just hold up the North long enough to. They just gave them their independence. You know, just get resisting and resisting.

Speaker 3

So the South wasn't trying to take over the North. They were like they just wanted to be left alone from the North.

Speaker 1

Right.

Speaker 3

Impression Right. They wanted liberty.

Speaker 1

Right. So in other words, if the North had let them go, there wouldn't have been no civil war and Lincoln he wasn't. He did not want to do that because he believed that the Constitution, that no state had the right to leave the Union.

Speaker 3

he fought for the maintaining of the Union, so that was his what do you think went through his mind when Lee turned him down? Definitely disappointment, there's no doubt disappointment. You think he had a little fear like uh-oh, yeah, oh, I'm sure he did. I mean, Lee Lee didn't go, he didn't turn him down and then automatically just go the next minute.

Speaker 1

No, become the leader. No, because what started to happen is the Southern states started to get their militias together, their army together, and then, eventually, the Virginia assembly asked him to head up the Virginia forces.

Speaker 3

Okay, I put myself in Lincoln and she was. I probably would have been like a little bit nervous, like uh-oh, lee is leading, leading them.

Speaker 1

Yes, and at first it was just Virginia. And then he became Jefferson Davis's right hand man down in the Capitol, and then eventually Davis makes him the head of the Eastern the Army of Northern Virginia, which was really. It was called that because most of the battles were for Northern Virginia, but there were soldiers from all the Southern states in that army. So so, yeah, so they wanted to prolong the war, and so till the North tired, they figured they would get sick of it.

Speaker 3

Yes, at some point they had no designs on Taking over the North. They were just like if we hold out long enough, these people will get just get so sick and tired of fighting, yeah, that they'll say just just go, go ahead.

Speaker 1

It's not worth it to us right, and you know politics back then, politics today, you know you had in the north you had peace Democrats. See, what a lot of people don't realize is that the Republican Party didn't come into being until the mid 1850s. It was the Whig Party before that. Then you had the Democrats. Their strongest states were in the South. It's kind of opposite. Now, yeah, yeah, and so so, and most of the Democrats were pro-slavery. So what you had happened was the Whig Party was losing its influence and the Republican Party began to form. Their first presidential candidate was in 1856. He lost to Buchanan. Lincoln was the second Republican candidate who won in 1860, right, and one of the reasons he won is because the Democratic Party had a split. In other words, there were those who were against perpetuating slavery okay, but wanted to still maintain it in the South, and then there are others that wanted to perpetuate in the new Territories. Wow, coming in. So Lincoln won, yeah, with 39% of the vote.

Speaker 1

Ah, okay, in 1860, so right because the Democratic Party was split so now keep that in mind, as the war is going on, you see, like, in other words, you still had peace Democrats in the north who wanted Lincoln to just let the South go, let him go, let him go. And so they're gonna be the ones that, when the casualty toll starts mounting, up a saying we can end this war.

Speaker 3

So you know, I never think of that pressure that he had on him. You always think you know it's okay, the war is coming at him. But he had people in the north that were beating them down. Lincoln did had. You know, from a media perspective, right.

Speaker 1

Right in 1862, when Lee took over the army of Northern Virginia, he started to get victory after victory. He was killing him, I mean he had literally right yeah, the second battle of Manassas.

Speaker 3

He also had one of my favorite generals, though he had Stonewall right there, oh yes, right, I'm at right there.

Interview With Historian Dave Locke

Speaker 3

You know, I didn't mean to cut you off, but I remind me I need to ask you the question how would Gettysburg have turned out? Oh, stonewall was there, and that's a big. We'll get back to that. We'll get back to that. So I could feel Dave Locke right now just going right through the radio. He's another historian. So for you people listening, yeah, amen, amen. That is all the time we have.

Speaker 3

But I'm telling you this interview is going to continue. We will have links to Cliffs radio program and to the church and by all means you'll call them up and if you're interested in this Retreat at all, you should definitely check it out. If you're interested in history or if you want to hear the rest of this Interview which goes on. We dive into the battle of Gettysburg full blown. So if you want to check out the links there are links that will continue this you just click on it. Go back to this program and click on the link. All right, until next week. May Yahweh bless you and protect you. May Yahweh make his face shine on you and be gracious to you. May Yahweh look with favor on you and give you peace.

Speaker 2

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