Javier Loredo- Infinite Searcher

If you are interested in contacting Javier here is his email: jlore00@aol.com

Transcript

Organic Conversation With Quantum Alchemist

Speaker 1 0:00

Javier , welcome to Quantum Alchemist Podcast . Wait , do you want to do it in English or in Spanish ? Most of our podcasts are in English .

Speaker 2 0:08

That's fine .

Speaker 1 0:09

We could do it in Spanish .

Speaker 2 0:10

We could do a little Spanglish or you know , however it flows .

Speaker 1 0:15

And you know what ? We're going to keep this in there . We're not going to cut it out .

Speaker 2 0:17

Okay .

Speaker 1 0:19

This is how we mastermind . The podcast is very organic . It's really conversation and tea . There's not much more to it getting to know beautiful souls that come into the space that somehow , although we're all connected , it's just divine timing as well . Right , because I've heard about you . Um , I saw you on a podcast here with paulo . Paulo come over , say hi . Um , this is my dear friend , pablo . This is his studio , by the way , where I record a lot of the courses , a lot of the podcast stuff here . Thank you , pablo , for the space . Appreciate you very much . He's also producer . He does a lot of our of our audios , meditations and stuff like that . So if you ever need it , reach out to pablo , I'll put them below as well .

Speaker 1 1:03

So I came around your book and a podcast episode you did with Pablo . Like no , pablo , how long ? Like six months , eight months , yeah , more or less . And right away it caught my attention his poetry . I said no , I have to read it . I have to read it . And it caught my attention the symbol that he has outside his book , because this is the symbol that represents my soul . It's a sacred geometry and I was like , very interesting . Whenever I see him , I'm going to ask him about that symbol as well , and I kept that there . I came here , did many sessions in my course , didn't think about it and I don't remember how exactly it happened . I asked Pablo , pablo , let me have his number . I don't know . Like two weeks ago , I don't know . Let me have his number . I don't know , like two weeks ago , I don't know .

Speaker 2 1:44

More or less ?

Speaker 1 1:45

And I just reached out to him out of the blue . He doesn't know me in this incarnation yet up until today , and here we are , so it's really , really a wonderful synchronicity . I'm honored to have you .

Speaker 2 2:02

Can't wait to hear your story . Thank you very much for your opportunity and to be able to share , and thank you for the space , pablo , you know I appreciate it . So , yeah , all is in order . You know , in the true flow of things , when we are in harmony with all that is , everything comes together in a perfect dance . So it's just being able to be aware , to live it . You know , because the key is not to stay in the intellect but to bring it to the practice . And I'm basically , like my great teacher said , once you realize , live , live in order with those laws that represent God , that represent the universe , represent the universe . So I would like to thank you , and thank you and all those that have made it happen for you to be here , for us to be here .

Speaker 1 3:13

So , thank you so much . So I would love to get to know you on a deeper level , even your childhood , like where you're from , a little bit about your childhood and pretty much kind of like your hero's journey , whatever you feel like sharing and how you got to where you are today . As a matter of fact , I don't even know what you do .

Speaker 2 3:33

So if you just want to tell us something , well , I could start with the remembering as being maybe six years old and laying in . I was born in Cuba , um came to the States . My parents brought me , uh , in 1983 , I was nine years old , Uh , but I , uh , I lived those nine years , uh , those nine years , in a state that I could recall infinite . When I say that is my most precious moments or memories come from me and I probably feel a lot of us have done that , okay , but to me it was a reminder of what I was looking for , and I remember sitting in my parents' house in Cuba and I would be not sitting but laying in the floor , okay , and just looking outside without no thinking whatsoever . It was just a moment of ah . It was an aha moment . There was no , no tension , there was actually the whole sound just diminished , and that stayed in my mind for many years .

Speaker 2 4:56

For many years I was lucky enough to have been accompanied by a great teacher , my brother , and he , I think he was more aware , you know , in this incarnation , and he was one of those that reminded me , or kept it alive , that there was other things , more than what we were able to perceive with our five senses . So that state of uh-huh that I just described to you guys stay with me .

Journey to Inner Peace and Knowledge

Speaker 2 5:28

For up to now and throughout my years I have come to the realization , through what I call the hammer , to realize that there has to be another way , a simpler way . So I started researching . Of course I went through what they call dark nights of the soul and I guess at the beginning I didn't take it real like for real . You know , this will also pass . But then I saw myself again in those moments and at one point in my life I said I made a , a , I made myself a . How do you say A stamp ? What was all this if we were here just to live and be and that the question of God is bad is good .

Speaker 2 6:50

Look at everything that is happening . And then I made an infinite proposal , not only for this physical plane . Wherever I was aware of , I would always get those questions and that realization . So from that moment , well , I did my things . I studied art . What kind of art .

Speaker 2 7:23

Multimedia de todo tipo de arte . Eso fue high school time . Tuve oportunidades de poder ir a Francia scholarships , Eso en 89 . Y bueno , por una razón u otra , no lo cogí . No , no , Sentía el arte , pero decía bueno . Veía a las personas que estaban viniendo .

Speaker 2 7:48

I didn't take it . I felt the art , but I saw the people who were coming from Europe . In reality , they weren't living it and I said , well , I need to do something . That is a little mystical . Without knowing it , I always took myself to look for human behavior . So I entered psychology . I entered psychology from the most subtle aspect to the most drastic aspect . What I'm telling you is that , from family counseling up to state hospital clients , People with incredible karma , so I could see a spectrum in my life of what is the subtlety of human law , and that reminded me of how important it was . Y eso me dio una gran me recordó que era lo importante . Y desde ahí cogí el arte como un hobby Y entonces le puse .

Speaker 2 8:53

I put my attention in the psychology or psychiatry . About 30 years later , I decided that that was really something that I needed to leave behind . Why ? Because I saw this movement in psychology and psychiatry , that it was basically one of those revolving doors . You know that left out the most important thing , and that is , keep in mind . Right now , in the psychology field they're introducing a little more of mysticism and spiritualism in that arena .

Speaker 2 9:31

But back when I was , it was very mundane . It was many treating the symptom but not the cause . So at that moment I was going through some things . At that moment I was going through some things , I left all that , the career , behind , and I again came to the crossroads and I made again a choice to give all my attention to a true knowledge what had brought peace in my life , what had brought a paradise in my life . And that doesn't mean that things were okay because people perceive like , oh , you're in paradise , so everything is fine . No , what that truly means is that you're such peace with yourself . You understand why things happen , you understand how the laws of the universe work and why somebody's suffering and the other one's not . So that brings you to a higher self of awareness and that brings peace within you .

Speaker 2 10:32

It might sound a little egotistic to say well , that you know you're in a different level , but it's not . It's basically a fact . You know , throughout my years I always what kept me was that child , that inner teacher that still did not have the vehicle or the programming to express himself okay in this realm , but it was already connecting to the all in that floor , just in a state of meditation , what I feel I call it , and it was natural . So I felt that that was something very powerful and I tried to imitate that through the years . And I found a great teacher in my life by the name of Santiago Aranei , un maestro ascendido , and for some reason I started paying attention . I started paying attention and I started taking his introductions to this knowledge .

Speaker 2 11:42

That is a knowledge that comes from , it's a pure knowledge that comes from the old . It's the original old Egyptian studies , Okay , and that comes beyond , in the Atlantean times , but it was more developed and put into lessons in the Egyptian times . Of course , not for the masses . This was something like it's now . It was something that very little people looked for . So I was blessed to be able to remind myself through that studies , and not only through the studies but to the practice . Uh , this knowledge is , uh is introduced with very simple techniques , very simple techniques , uh , and that's why it's hard . It becomes hard because the ego always wants to complicate things . It wants to always . It cannot be that simple , it cannot be just , it has to be more . So I went through all the studies . I was blessed to be able to get initiated in the highest levels , get initiated in the highest levels , and I was given the opportunity in the past years to be able to share that knowledge .

Speaker 2 13:12

It's not for everyone , it's for those that are seeking something extremely pure . You know about helping . We need to be very sure that that's truly what we're doing Because , remember , sometimes we have , you know , beings that are there and they need help . But we need to realize that by taking away the lesson or the karma that they have created from themselves Okay , we're noising , they have created from themselves Okay , we're noising , but if we come and just take it away , what you're creating is more habit along the line for that individual or that soul , Because it's not going to clear the karma , it's just going to make it better .

Speaker 2 13:56

If we all know , whenever we haven't really seen an issue and we haven't really reflected on it and somebody just oh , your mom helped you and or your brother and everything , you find yourself in that position . Worst , maybe in two days or maybe in 10 years , yes , so discernment needs to be key , you know ? Uh , so it's important . It's important In this sense of this journey . It's basically our whole work is to introduce this knowledge that all it does is it reminds you of all the levels of existence within yourself . Okay , how the universe works , how the universe of God works , how man's mind body . It's very complete . We go from the self , from the microcosmos into the macrocosmos . Okay , Like I say , this journey , or this study of this knowledge , what we call it's very complete . You know , it's not for you to if you want to , yes , go out there , but it's basically for you to find yourself within the universe and at one point you're going to find out that you are that universe , you know .

Speaker 2 15:24

So , yeah , yeah , so by simple , uh , like I say it's , it's an individual journey . It's an individual journey . I call it because I was talking about the polarity a little . We're going back and forth but , um , I see a lot of . I try to stay away from a lot of external stimuli when it comes to realizing . I'm not saying the external is bad , I'm not saying it's bad to meditate on a flower , no , but you have to prepare yourself for what we're getting To understand .

Speaker 2 15:57

What are you doing ? Because you might be imagining and not visualizing , two different things . Okay , imagination I'll give you an example is you're driving home and you're imagining you're going to have an ice cream cone . You can still drive . Visualization . You can't do that while you're driving . You're going to crash , because visualization is you're projecting your consciousness that all it is . You're projecting your consciousness that all it is in the universe is consciousness in that moment in time . So you cannot be driving . So it's important to to prepare yourself intellectually and spiritually for that awakening that it's only the first step . Everybody's looking for enlightenment and they don't realize it's the first step . Why ? Because the true step is how to stay here , how to live with enlightenment .

Speaker 1 16:58

You know Rem does . He's done so many , he had done so many trips with LSD and all these , all these things . And he was just saying , after doing all of this , for for this many years it was all about the here and now . And all the great sages throughout time have realized the Buddha , sitting under the tree right he was carrying two buckets of water got enlightened . What did he do ? Come back to the here and now , grab the tree right , he was carrying two buckets of water , got enlightened . What did he do ? Come back to here now , grab the buckets . Kept going .

Speaker 1 17:26

So it's how we embody , how we anchor , how we integrate all of this enlightenment . And for me , enlightenment to me is love is really just love . There's no separation or anything , it's just love . A person who lives , who's very poor , who has no certificates , who opens their home to you with a lot of beautiful love and receives you and gives you so much love , to me that is the same as anybody who has whatever certification and whatever amount of money . So to me , enlightenment is just operating from love and embodying love , sharing that with others and being more in alignment with your higher self , with your soul , with whatever it is . But it's all in the here and now , but once you , I think , also our questions and our quest to look outside . Whether you do plant medicine , meditation , whatever you do , um , we'll eventually kind of circle around . From my perspective , which is ever-changing , I you know , um , it could be different from everybody , but in my opinion it has brought me back to the now , to this moment .

Speaker 1 18:35

the great teachers , uh , from the ancient egypt used to say so I totally we had to stop the two technical issues and we went off rambling about alchemy and about the inner work and all these things . But , as you were mentioning this pure teaching that you were initiated in , carry on . So what if someone wanted to to reach out to you and find out more ? We're going to put it in the description , maybe your email or however they can reach out . Um , is this something that you're able to share with others that are ready , that are open , or I believe in the law of correspondence okay so everything is in order .

Speaker 2 19:21

It's something that has not been given to the world in mass . Okay , it's something that's very because , like I say , those teachers in the past knew what was going to happen in every area , the energy , how everything was manifest . So they kept this very hidden from the masses , how everything was manifest . So they kept this very hidden from the masses . I only gave how can I say open to that knowledge to those that were truly seeking how ? By initiations , by being proven , you know , by being proven . So , yeah , I mean , at this moment , we started sharing this knowledge . Actually , it's in Spanish , okay , okay , it's in Spanish . There's 10 levels and each level is a realm of existence . It's at least in my experience , and I have not only put my attention in one knowledge , but I have , throughout my life , I have seen , and by the work of my great teacher , he simplified everything and noticed that there was a line between all religions and all concepts that cross themselves , and that's what was given to those that seek the truth back in the ancient times in the schools .

Journey to Inner Enlightenment

Speaker 2 20:51

We meet once a week in the Holiday Inn Express in Airport Lagoon for about an hour . It's seven o'clock to eight o'clock um . This is not a church . This is not it's you go there . All we ask is a 12 donation just because we need to rent the space . That's it . I don't lucrat , I don't , I don't charge for this . The day that I do is the day that I stopped doing it , you know . So I don't .

Speaker 2 21:24

This is not something to , um , you know , I'll say a form of , uh , economical sustent . Not at all . It's just uh , uh , a mission and um . So you go , you sit down , you hear a class and then you just go . We'll do a meditation , we'll do the practices of the exercise that it's giving , like it was given back in the days , and you go home and you practice . It's an individual journey . If you stop going , nobody calls you . It's such an individual that that's why this knowledge is not for everybody , because it's you .

Speaker 2 22:07

It's actually a study to become a spiritual teacher , not based on anything external , but how , diablo y el hombre Dios Identificarlo y saber dónde vivir Y que no nos arrastres ? So once you identify those polarities between ourselves , then we could sit in the middle and observe and from that aspect you're going to be able to flow , you're going to be able to truly live , not just speak of it , but truly live paradise , because you'll be more como decía Maestro , how the teacher said , said you could see things coming ahead of time because with this study is a very organized and it's in order and basically what it does is it doesn'tgrams you Okay . It's basically an understanding of stop living through the idea of the mind and what everybody has said in the past and still living and start living through your higher self . You stop following no matter what anybody says . That's when you become the salmon .

Speaker 2 23:46

You go against the current and everybody's saying go here , go here , for you there's something . And when you start living like that , out of the blues , you don't have to say much . People out of the blues just say what , what are you doing ? What you know , what are you doing ? What you know ? What are you up , what's going on ? So it becomes , it simplifies a lot of things . So that's our mission . We do that every Thursday .

Speaker 2 24:10

So the ones that are , welcome you know , they're welcome to come and enjoy us every Thursday at 7 , 7 to 8 at the Holiday Inn Express by the airport .

Speaker 1 24:20

We'll put the description below on the on the show notes how you guys can can contact him directly . Um , so I have two things to to kind of deepen in regards to what you just shared . One is how have you transitioned this in your really close relationships mean your family , your partner , because coming from a Cuban background I can relate 100% and later I'll share a little bit of how my spiritual awakening in my own journey , how that has kind of changed the dynamics in our family . It's a ripple effect , right , they see the change in you , they start asking you questions and but once again we come back to the same thing .

Speaker 1 25:02

You can't take the horse , force it to drink water Same thing . So I'm just very curious as to how this changed within yourself . I was given a map of consciousness by my guides and I'll share it with you . Really , the ending of that is self-reflection and then that connects to the super consciousness and in the end , but it's all about us , it's not outside of us . So how has this inner change in our work reflected on your close circle ?

Speaker 2 25:34

First of all , there's something that needs to be , I guess , mentioned , and it's the fact that , when you're going to start this journey of remembering , I don't think we need to learn anything , I think it's just basically remembering . Okay , you need to prepare , we need to prepare ourselves , because too much light could blind you . Okay , so what I mean is you need to prepare your vehicle , your body , okay , your mind and the spirit . It needs to be prepared because you're going to show yourself certain things that , like you mentioned , not everybody's there , and , remember , people call enlightenment . You know what enlightenment is ? Living the world behind , because you stop acting , you stop acting , you stop feeling , you start living in a complete different realm Because , keep in mind , all of the realms are here , all of the planes , this material world is a spiritual world . Why ? Because all it exists is energy . So , being that said , you have to prepare yourself to the fact that nobody's going to understand you .

Speaker 1 26:50

And be at peace with that .

Speaker 2 26:52

So there's a word called permit . You need to permit to be that way . By actually not saying anything and be vibrating in peace and in harmony , you might be showing a lot of people around you what they , once , before they even incarnated , were looking for . That's why they came to our family . Okay , uh , keep in mind , the ego doesn't like to see those things and that's why the mystic needs to , needs to . It actually changes and it gives a lot more power to the silence , because it understands that you cannot . It has to be an individual search . It has to be individual want . If not , it's not going to work .

Speaker 2 27:44

In all our lives we had many situations of people giving you things without you working . You take it for granted , you throw it away around the corner . So this is something that needs to be put . It needs to be individual . When you realize that there's no tension , when you realize that there's no tension , you know there's a difference between the mind and the higher self , and this is one of the big errors of humanity . Humanity thinks they're their mind and their mind is actually a vehicle .

Speaker 2 28:22

That's it . It's a vehicle .

Speaker 1 28:24

Actually , if I may interrupt you there for a moment , we're really consciously operating at 5% . 95% of that is your subconscious and your unconscious , Aside from infinite planes of existence , dimension , your higher self having multiple experiences as a fractal of your higher self , and so on . We're not going to complicate it too much , but all those infinite multi-layered of this multidimensional biegwe that we are are all here in the here and now .

Speaker 2 28:56

Where we want to be , where you want to be . Do you want to play and live with the hammer all the time in the polarities ? What I mean by the polarities is the mundane God's when he created the universe , the material universe , because God's universe has always existed . It's infinite . We're talking about the material . It was polarized , god polarized itself .

Speaker 2 29:21

Okay , and either you live in the polarities , el cachumbambé cubano here and there here and there , through hits , through pain , through suffering , through the hammer that I call it , or you observe in both , you learn how to observe both without tension , and you're going to be able to discern where you need to go . So , going back to the family , you're going to find yourself around people that the ego , once they see light , or all this divine , or this harmony , or this peace within themselves , if they don't have the tools to get there , they're going to try to fight it . So what I'm saying is it's okay , Even if it's your family , just by being in harmony with yourself , not pushing anything to anywhere , you're doing the mission Because it's a reminder to them . They might not like it , they might get you out of your life , okay , but that's what you need , that's what everything is corresponding . So when you live this life , you understand that everything flows and there's no bad or good . It's just what we all need to realize how to truly live . So , by my new techniques , I'm talking about two minutes , two minutes , I remember . You know , sometimes they tell me well , I'm going in a trip to the Himalayas , I'm going to pay $20,000 . And I say , okay , you want to do that , that's fine , there's no bad or good , but you have it all right here .

Speaker 2 31:11

Remember what is meditation ? Meditation is basically being able to lower the volume of the mind of the thinking . Okay , because all thinking is programming . To lower the volume of the mind of the thinking . Okay , because all thinking is programming . What I mean by programming is something that somebody already thought of . Okay , you're just repeating it , no matter if it sounds , if it tastes good , no matter if it's positive . You know , don't matter . Illusion could be positive too . You know .

Speaker 2 31:48

Remember that once you tune out all that programming that people don't even know they're thinking because it's 24-7 . Once they identify that and they could bring it down just by using very simple exercises , you start hearing your true self and from that aspect , you don't have to think about living anymore , you just kind of live . You know , many times we've gone through issues like driving and something just tells you go through here , and we never listen to that guy , we never listen to that intuition , we always no the thinking and then we'll go . Oh , so when I mean true living , I mean el cachumambe .

Speaker 2 32:34

The ego is no longer in the high . You're using the mind to be a source of divine manifestation by your higher self , not your lower self , your life starts changing completely . But when I say change , it's not how the ego perceives change , because for the ego , change is always something good . You know , it might be not that good , but that's what we all need to be able to . Okay , this is not where I'm at , this is where I need to be . So don't tense yourself as soon as you tell yourself okay , people are not understanding me , people don't see this as something that it's with them , it's fine , let it be . Just concentrate in your inner and everything will fall like the domino into place .

Speaker 2 33:37

Okay , and like I was saying , remember that time and space is an illusion . Not because it doesn't exist . Okay , people think that you know , there's always two languages , there's a spiritual language and there's the People think when they say an illusion , it's because it doesn't exist . It exists because when you have a toothache , you have to go to a doctor . It's painful . So it does exist .

Speaker 2 34:03

What is an illusion is that our perspective of what time and space is is not what it is . So , because when you lower the thinking that works with time and space , you lower it , you start hearing your higher self . Okay , in that state of no , it becomes no time and space , it becomes infinite . So you don't need to do , and I'm not saying this is bad or good , I'm just saying you don't need to do meditation for an hour . You don't need to do , and I'm not saying this is bad or good , I'm just saying you don't need to do meditation for an hour . You don't need to do yoga for two hours . Just that you go into that , that you're able to identify the thinking first and lower it gives you paradise .

Speaker 1 34:46

Do you think we can share with our listeners a couple of tips . I'll start , if that's okay , all right . So I've done a lot of techniques um to to quiet the outside distractions and go within um , one being

Exploring Meditation and Inner Transformation

Speaker 1 35:04

meditation . My meditations always vary it could be a five minute meditation , it could be an hour and a half meditation . I never really know um going into it . I give myself enough time , but I really don't know what's going to happen in my meditation . And everybody meditates differently . I want to point that out because his meditation could look completely different from mine .

Speaker 1 35:25

Some people may be able to just be in that blank space , what I call the space between the space , and that's beautiful . That's fine . If it works for you , it's great . Some people see thoughts flowing like clouds . That's great too .

Speaker 1 35:39

There's no right or wrong way to meditate or to do any of these practices . It's very individual . You have to play with it to see what it feels like for you . For me , when I go into deep states of meditation , my third eye opens and I see everything like a movie . So for me it's very different . It may be different from him , it may be different from you .

Speaker 1 36:00

Maybe you're someone who feels , who feels lighter , who feels just like stress is lifting out of your body , or many , many other different ways . You could use breathwork . You could use breathwork techniques that help regulate your parasympathetic and bring you into a rest and digest state . Or maybe you want to activate your sympathetic nervous system because you want to start with energy in the morning , and maybe you like to start with breath of fire or whatever it is for you right Depending . By the way , if your nervous system is not regulated , do not start with breath of fire . Okay , we want to regulate the nervous system first . Make sure you're in a safe , stable space before working with activating breath sequences .

Speaker 1 36:43

You can go out and walk in nature , you can paint , you can do art , whatever gets you into that flow state . You can just go to park and lay down in the grass like go to the beach , it doesn't really matter , it's whatever gets you to lower , like he was saying , the outside distractions . If you want to go deeper , you can go into a darkness retreat , into anything that it's like a sense deprivation , right , and allows you to go deep . You can go into trance from drumming , from , from many different things . Um , so it's just anything literally , that silence , silence , retreats . You're just being in silence for a few minutes . Um , there are many , many , many ways .

Speaker 1 37:26

Just find yours , find the one that you like . Start with that . If it's too heavy , too much for you , you don't have time . You have the kids running around you don't start with that If it's too heavy , too much for you , you don't have time . You have the kids running around , you don't have . Start with five minutes . Five minutes every day . That's it Of whatever resonates for you . Start there , see what happens , see how you're . Or maybe you just want to start with a gratitude practice in the morning . That's fine . Find what works for you , but it's an inside job , guys . That's one of the most important things to remember .

Speaker 2 37:56

Yeah , an example . Sometimes I like to get examples of practical things that we live in Because it's easier for the ego to comprehend . Knowledge has to be dogmatic because it needs to . The ego needs to realize , needs to have vocabulary , needs to have concepts . And then , okay , but imagine yourself . All you need to do is imagine yourself in a lowrider 1980s , 1990s lowrider , with a bunch of bass in the back , okay , and you have the volume all up and you're driving by the street and there's people calling you out hey , come by . You can't listen you .

Speaker 2 38:50

Just what I'm saying , saying is because that noise is so constant and so loud within ourselves , our own thoughts , that we cannot see the opportunities arise . We'll pass by . It's like being in a concert and it's too loud and you come out and you can't hear very well . Meditation is only lowering that knob , that radio or that music . It could be like I say very , it could be an instant , two seconds , because , remember , as soon as you able to lower the thinking , you're there . To lower the thinking , you're there . One of the key things that's very powerful is we use visualization , but then that's after we realize the power of it , how to use it , and from that higher state of mind , not from the noise , because you can use visualization from the noise , from the ego .

Speaker 2 40:03

Remember , the ego is very how would I say ? It lies to itself completely . The teacher used to say that in the 1980s in school they used to put these round things for the projector and the slides . It could build itself as the biggest mystic or the victim . It could change . That's why dieting doesn't work if you're doing it from the ego perspective , because today you're saying one thing and then the ego changes and tomorrow is something else . So the key thing is to be able to identify within both , because today you're saying one thing and then the ego changes and tomorrow is something else .

Speaker 2 40:38

So the key thing is to be able to identify within both . Who are you giving life to ? You know , either ego that's going to drag you , like it's dragging the world , or you're going to go at your own pace because you have identified a higher self in you own pace , because you have identified a higher self in you . So two seconds , because as soon as you lower that , you're there , you're in that moment of peace and harmony . Just let it be . You might have days that you might need to do that 20 times a day , and that's fine , okay , the most you use your will . Very powerful thing . That's a characteristic of our higher self , the will that we're using all the time . We're using it all the time but we don't know we are and it's dragging us to what the ego wants .

Speaker 2 41:27

The key thing is to be able to identify and use it for your higher self . So the mind and the body follows that higher teacher . As soon as you do that , you start living in another way . Nothing is bad , nothing is good . It's what you need . You know , if you need a hammer to wake up , okay , you'm , okay , I'm gonna be here to send you light . So it's very interesting . It's very important for you to identify really who you truly are , truly , truly and I tell people you know a lot of people are like , well , I'm always thinking positive . And you started with something at the beginning saying , uh , about a book , that's something about the unlimited oh , did I ever ?

Speaker 1 42:14

did I ever finish my train of thought on that ?

Speaker 2 42:16

the zero point okay , the zero point no , zero limits okay , zero limits .

Speaker 2 42:22

When you , when we identify that thinking mind that's out of control . Program , the one that tells you don't go into the beach because you had a banana and your mom told you 50 years ago that you're going to have a thrombosis because you wait and you're going into the beach . You're no longer going to live your life based on you know , either a clergy , nothing . You're going to be your higher self . Even if you go to the doctor and tell you you're going to die in five months , it's not going to happen .

Speaker 2 42:54

It's true power and , like I say that power , it brings a very . How can I say it's very ? It comes to the individual responsibility . That's why sometimes we say it's not for everybody , because not everybody's ready to leave everything behind . Leave all your luggage . What I mean by luggage ? I mean your name , what you do for a living , all your programming , all the stickers when somebody comes to you , how they see you or how you see yourself . You have to let all that that go . That's synonymous to sound on the speakers programming . All you're doing is lower and all that so you could hear that higher self .

Speaker 1 43:40

That's unlimited so we have a meditation , if I may interrupt for a moment um , and a lot of in our breathwork events , um , we start off by saying , okay , so we're going to peel all the layers of ourselves and we're just going to throw it in the most vibrant fire you can think of , right , and we start peeling off being male , female , your religion , your race , being a mother , a daughter , being your profession , and the visualization we guide them through is just to take out all these layers and put them in the fire and we , after naming many layers , we go and just finish and staying like you see a second sun , like a ball of fire , just the essence of your soul , chi , prana , energy , you know , and just at your core , right , and from there we can have a beautiful journey , but we have all these programming , all these masks that have helped us to survive , I'm not .

Speaker 2 44:44

It's needed . If you don't have that programming , you cannot . Pero le dije y el momento que la moto no te arranque . ¿qué pasa ? Bueno , eso es todo lo que pasa cuando tú pones todo , when you put all your marbles in the external world , in the vision that keep in mind , what you said is completely , at least to me , it's a truth , a higher truth . All we perceive outside is what you have . Like my grandmother used to say , it's a projection . You know , we used to tell my grandmother , listen , that person is a thief . And they used to tell me what ? No , he's not a thief . Why ? Because that wasn't within her . You just tell me what ? No , he's not a thief . Why ? Because that wasn't within her . You're seeing the thief because you have that feeling within yourself . You're able to do that also . So you don't like it in yourself and you hate it outside . But really , everything external , it's a means to come and bring that responsibility towards you .

The Journey to Harmony and Consciousness

Speaker 2 45:52

We were saying that about the journey , okay , and the great teachers used to say that the whole purpose of God creating the material world was for not one soul to be left behind . However , god doesn't have anything to do with your journey . Okay , you are that , that is . You're also god , seeing himself from that perspective . So you could change the journey , you could change your journey , but the outcome is always going to be the same we're always going to get there . So that means that you could live incarnation after incarnation , going away from your past . That is only one path for everybody . It's reminding who we truly are and who are , what our natural essence is , and live there . We will all realize that at one point , some will take thousands of incarnations , some will take less , but that's the thing . You could change the journey , you could change the path , you could give it colors , but at one point you're gonna get back in line . So if , from this aspect , you get used to not giving so much power to the vision but to the feeling , meditation should be about feeling , not seeing anything Okay , because your ego could play tricks on you . That's right . So once you get to identify that true voice that's not even a voice , it's just a uh-huh moment everything goes in order .

Speaker 2 47:51

So what I'm saying is we have different journeys and everybody chooses differently , but at the end we will all get there . Some all beat up . That's what we don't want . Pain , suffering through the polarities and one straight , you know through Malkuth , you know the kingdom , you know that's in correspondence , we'll get there , you know it's in the same line . So that's what we want to be , and that becomes effortless . Now what's hard is that nobody's there .

Speaker 2 48:24

Because I've come across many friends , family , and they're like well , I don't look at negative stuff , I want to look at only positive . And I tell you well , you're setting yourself for failure because that unlimited one could observe everything , could observe the most horrible thing , but you're not attached to it , you observe it like from a distance , like you're sitting on a movie theater watching . So when you only put your attention In one polarity , in the positive , like , a lot of people are like Well , only affirmation , all positive , oh , I don't want to see TV , I don't want to see this , don't tell me about this You're bringing the other polarity without knowing . My teachers would say Be careful . Be careful Because when ? Be careful ? Because when you're asking and you sit with happiness and you want happiness , automatically sadness sits across the because . Yeah , god's laws , this material world is polarized . It's polarity , negative and positive . People have positive as a good thing and negative as a bad . We need to start seeing as energy .

Speaker 1 49:37

It just is .

Speaker 2 49:38

Your body's negative . Your higher self or your spirit is positive . The mind is like a middle .

Speaker 1 49:47

It's all balance yin-yang . Coming back to that becoming the observer .

Speaker 2 49:51

But at one point or another , you have to leave everything external behind , because that's what happens when we all leave this realm . So that's when it comes die so you could truly live . You don't have to wait 10 minutes before you pass to realize , when the ego just comes down because he knows what's coming and then you realize , oh , oh , my God , it was here and now . Instead of all this sound , instead of just concentrating on the positive or I could observe all that is true freedom , because nothing moves you . And that doesn't mean that you don't have compassion Actually , you have a lot of compassion and you start working with the people around you you know the nucleus , your family . Start working with the people around you you know the nucleus , your family , that are actually the people are . Have that how can I say ? Align with your karma and your mission , not out there , it's really your nucleus , you know , and just by being the best of us , without one word , being in that state of harmonium , you're already helping tremendously . I'm sorry , and I'll give you an example .

Speaker 2 51:17

Back in the day , scientific got , went to an island and picked up a monkey . You know a race of monkeys and they showed that in an island . They show those monkeys how to clean the potatoes before they ate it , what happened ? The whole monkeys around earth started cleaning the potatoes . So there's no separation , there's a cosmic consciousness that's in awe . So sometimes , by us doing the work , we don't have to worry about it .

Speaker 2 51:43

Everything is being and we're bringing everything to a higher level of consciousness and , like I say , it's simple . The only one that wants to complicate is the ego . So it's just identifying those aspects of yourself and do a true how can I say como dije ahorita un propósito ? To say to yourself , I'm going to identify this , both aspects of me , and I'm going to , at one point , once I identify it , I'm going to live in order with the laws . And from there now , when everybody's screaming and happy , you're in peace and you're in harmony . When everybody's sad and I don't know what to do , you're in peace and you're in harmony . When everybody's sad and I don't know what to do , you're in peace and you're in harmony . That's true . That's true power . That's true power and it doesn't lie . It does and it doesn't , but it doesn't really truly lie in the external world . It's all within ourselves . The external world should be only a reminder of who we truly are .

Speaker 1 52:54

Thank you for sharing all of this wisdom with us . Thank you for being a guest . And before we kind of get caught off here in the ending of this episode . I would like to know what this means for you . The symbol .

Speaker 2 53:09

Well , the circle means representing the ongoing , okay , the circle of life , the ongoing death and the continuum , because really there's no death . Okay , the mystic knows that even in the dream state you're a continuum . Okay , so , basically , the continuum , uh , the triangle facing down is the spiritual world , okay , that's why , in some symbols that you see the illuminati , you know that it's all being confused by the ego , because there is an illuminati but it has been confused the those dark ego entities . One of the things that they do is how to distort things , how to distort the purity of the symbol . So you would not know . So that's why the only symbolic is the spiritual world . When you see a triangle facing down , it's the spiritual world . When you see it facing up , it's the spiritual world . When you see it facing up , it's the material world . Why the Illuminati has the eye , the unseen eye , meaning it's a good thing and a bad thing . That's why nothing is an extreme , nothing is black or white , because that might represent that , the unseen , you realizing who you truly are and living correspondence in the material world . The other way is , basically you in a conscious level of state of consciousness in the spiritual world . That's what it is .

Speaker 2 54:46

That's why the , the symbol , um , the jewish ? That's really not . That doesn't even come from the Jewish , they've gotten from there . But it comes even further from the Autantian times and what it represents is both the harmony between the two polarities . That's all it is . It doesn't pertain to the Jewish or to this or to that . It's all been confused in some ways . There's all that has a lot more symbolism and a lot simpler explanation to it .

Speaker 2 55:20

Uh , the other is my teacher , and just the fact that that's a reminder and , um , yeah , that's what it is . It's harmony with the spiritual world . It's not really . You know , a lot of people tell me well , you know , I want to live to the countryside , I don't want to the spiritual world . It's not really . You know , a lot of people tell me well , you know , I want to live to the countryside , I don't want to live in this realm . It's so dense . Well , our key is not to move away . Our key is not to go to the mountains , guys . Our key is to be a teacher in the city , being able to flow where density is not escaping from it . Everybody wants to escape from it .

Speaker 1 55:57

You know Now that you say that I've been so I work with a lot of Not only psychedelics but other non-psychedelic plants Like bowing sauna and just many different ones Okay .

Plant Teachings and Individual Missions

Speaker 1 56:11

And a lot of these plants are teachers . When you meditate and connect with the spirit of the plant , they have a lot of beautiful teaching and um . I was connecting with spirulina , which is the one I'm working on uh with right now , and one of the big teachings and reminders is plant uh , grow where you're planted , which goes right along with that um .

Speaker 2 56:36

People don't realize that in the seed , you have the tree , you have the fruit , you have the leaves and you have the roots . So it's basically everything is already . We are that seed . It's what you surround yourself . As a fertilizer , nothing is bad . You could be the worst , it's just going to take you longer . As a fertilizer , nothing is bad . You could be the worst , it's just going to take you longer . That's all Not a bad thing , but we're here to share and to especially for each one of us to really truly get to identify what our individual mission is and , eventually , what our group mission is .

Speaker 1 57:16

Thank you , Javier . A pleasure to have you Same Thank you very much .

Speaker 2 57:20

Thank you for your invite and thank you , pablo . Thank you , thank you , guys . Thank you Bye .