Secrets from a Genealogy Librarian: Sherri Camp

Unlock the secrets of your ancestry with Sherri Camp, our featured genealogy librarian from the Topeka and Shawnee County Public Library. 

Join us as Sherri takes us on her remarkable journey through the world of genealogy and discover the invaluable resources available at the library, including the family history collections.

Resources Cited:
The Topeka & Shawnee County Public Library
https://tscpl.org/

Afro-American Historical and Genealogical Society
https://www.aahgs.org/

Kansas Afro-American Historical and Genealogical Society
http://www.kaahgs.org/

African American Topeka
by Sherrita Camp 
https://a.co/d/aY0j8sT

Black Profiles in Courage: A Legacy of African-American Achievement
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Alan Steinberg: 
https://a.co/d/6fqL0hE

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Transcript

John 0:01

Ladies and gentlemen from the depths of flyover country in the heartland of America, the Kansas City on the other side of the mighty MO, welcome to Hittin' the Bricks with Kathleen, the do-it-yourself genealogy podcast that features your questions and her answers. I am John, your humble hubby host, and today we'll be talking to Sherri Camp, the Topeka and Shawnee County Public Library genealogy librarian. So let's start hitting the bricks. Ready to go, Kathleen? Hey baby, she hates when I do that. Hey baby, do you want to kick us off because we're here with and let's just dive in? How do you know? How does Sherry end up in our studio?

Kathleen 0:47

I don't know how Sherri and I met, but it's been a while because I know I knew her in 2010. Sherri, how did we meet?

Sherri Camp 0:52

We met at Roots Tank. You were talking to Darius Gray and I happened to be standing there waiting to talk to him and we got introduced.

Kathleen 1:02

Yes, and Darius Gray, Gray John is our cousins from Nebraska the Lincoln. Nebraska cousins. His family is at least. He's from Salt Lake City.

John 1:13

And so, Sherri, what do you do now? I mean, where are you?

Sherri Camp 1:17

Are you in Kansas City, or are you in I'm in Topeka, kansas, but I have to say I am from Chief's Kingdom. Okay, I live in Topeka, kansas now and I've been here for 30 plus years. I'm not going to date myself too much. I've been here for a while. I'm the genealogy librarian at the library here in Topeka and I'm also the chapter president for the Afro-American Historical and Genealogical Society. We call AAHGS for short, because that's a lot, and so I'm the president of the Kansas chapter, so we call our chapter KAAHGS.

John 1:56

I'm sorry.

Kathleen 1:57

Let's back up a little bit on that, Sherry. First of all, what is the Topeka Genealogical Department? Is that what you said You're head of? What there?

Sherri Camp 2:07

I am the genealogy librarian at the Topeka and Shawnee County Public Library.

John 2:13

So Kathleen Topeka is your old stomping ground, isn't it?

Kathleen 2:16

I was born in Topeka. My mother taught at Topeka High. My grandmother went to school in Topeka. Hi, my grandmother went to school in Topeka, so Topeka is part of my definitely my background.

John 2:30

But I'm really interested in what Sherry does. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I get to say my connection to Topeka.

Kathleen 2:34

Oh, you have a connection to Topeka, yeah.

John 2:35

I've driven through it numerous times.

Kathleen 2:37

Wow. So, Sherry, what exactly does a library genealogist do? And one of the reasons I ask is because I write a lot about how our librarians really support us in the genealogy community and I want the listeners to hear from you who is a genealogy librarian.

Sherri Camp 3:03

Well, the first thing I tell people is I am the resident genealogist for your personal resident genealogist, so people can come to me at the library and my job is to help them with whatever their question is, help them find whatever they're looking for, and so that's, yeah, my area of expertise. I also do classes, but people can come to me for one-on-one genealogy help. Oh really.

Kathleen 3:28

So you're helping everybody. I mean, what does a typical client look like?

Sherri Camp 3:33

It's anywhere from beginning to helping people figure out family search and how to find a record, especially with the affiliate thing, where sometimes you can't get a record at home, you have to go to the library, the affiliate, to get a record to figuring out DNA, literally. People ask me about that figuring out how to do their online genealogy, figuring out what we have at the library that's available to them, and we do have quite a collection of things. Most people walk in thinking, oh well, do I have to be from Topeka to do genealogy here? I'm like, no, nobody's from here, especially going pretty far back. But we do have quite a collection and we do have the ability to help people find their genealogy, no matter what. One of the things that I'm really proud of number one is our family history collection. So we have a family history collection that you can check out, and it does. It's also available to interlibrary loan, which means wherever you are, you can see what we have and literally have it shipped to you. The other thing is a week Hold on a second.

Kathleen 4:40

Family history library. Is that the family history microfilm type library from a family?

Sherri Camp 4:47

No, so that is, histories, like if you write your family history and we have the book Got it. There you go, okay.

Sherri Camp 4:54

So, you ready now. The other part that I'm really, really proud of is our Germans from Russia collection. We have the entire set of the Germans from Russia journals and newsletters and that's pretty important because you know there's a lot of Germans that live in Kansas and came here to Kansas, so that's that's pretty important. I like that collection quite a bit. We also have the Immigrations and Passenger Collection, which is by Philby, and it is not digitized. It was at one point but they decided they didn't want it digitized anymore, so I think they took it down.

John 5:33

They got something done, they had something digitized, and then they took it down.

Sherri Camp 5:36

Yeah.

John 5:38

That's interesting.

Sherri Camp 5:39

It is. I'm like we really need that digitized, because if you know anything about the passenger list, it's like 30, 40 volumes and every year they like go through passenger lists and naturalization papers and all those kinds of things. And every year they like go through passenger lists and naturalization papers and all those kinds of things and they put it in this book. That's an index to tell you where it is, so that you can go find it wherever it is, and this is something that should be digitized.

John 6:04

I definitely agree with that. Yeah, I found. What was it? My great-great-great-grand-uncle from a passenger list. I think that's how many greats that should be in front of Peter or Paul or whatever his name was. No she doesn't, oh, you don't, oh, no, I can't afford her. In fact, Sherry, I have some work I need to do, and so I was going to come down to Topeka and I'll visit with you.

Kathleen 6:30

Doesn't hurt my feelings at all. Sure he needs to do his own work.

John 6:33

Yeah, she has done. She says she hasn't done it, but she putters and she'll spend 10 minutes after I've spent 45 minutes and come up with what I was looking for, and so I usually punt and just say do me a solid and you get a chance. Does it really take you 10 minutes, John? Yeah, about 10 minutes to find the stuff I'm normally looking for.

Kathleen 6:51

So, sherry, I really wanted to talk to you today and John and I had talked it. This is February and we would like to have some things that are Black History Month centric, and not just for the African-American listeners, but for all of our listeners. So I thought we would start by basically telling people what is OGS and what are some resources. So I'm going to have you answer a few questions, you ready.

John 7:21

This sounds like a lightning round.

Kathleen 7:23

We call it OGS. What does it stand for again?

Sherri Camp 7:27

Afro-American Historical and Genealogical Society and you also mentioned, you have a Kansas chapter.

Kathleen 7:33

Now I did notice that there are about 19 chapters or no, 18 chapters, right, more than 33 chapters and grown 33? Yes, I didn't see that on the website. Okay, well, this is even more fabulous.

John 7:49

So how would I, if I wanted to become a member, and once I was a member, what sort of resources would I have at my disposal?

Sherri Camp 7:57

Yes, so the first thing is is we have a website called augsorg A-A-H-G-S dot O-R-G, and you would go on there and scroll down to say become a member. One of the cool things about it is is you can go to the chapter portion of the website, which is you'll find it on the header, and click on it and it'll show you all the chapters all over all across the country. If you see any that you're interested in, when you're going to log in as a or create your membership, you would add that chapter as part of your membership, so you can join as many chapters as you want. So if you're researching in South Carolina, for instance, or in Tennessee or Florida, or you know any of our chapter areas, you can literally join those chapters too.

John 8:40

And I'm assuming that if I if I, let's say, join a chapter, then that's that would be an additional group of resources and people that I'd be able to communicate with and say, hey, I'm looking for this document.

Sherri Camp 8:53

They would know it would be experts in their area, knowing what's available.

Kathleen 8:57

Got it. So how do you get connected with an actual expert? Once I become a member of that chapter, let's say Kansas then I get you and then you tell me what happens or where I should go next.

Sherri Camp 9:13

That sounds good. Yeah, we have meetings every month. We've changed over the years. We've been. We've had our charter since 2011. We actually formed in 2010, but we've had our charter that long. Once you become a member of our chapter, then you are plugged into everything that we're doing, so you'll get an email and you'll be plugged in, and so one of the things that's important to know is that you don't have to be in Topeka or in Kansas in order to be a member, and that's the same for the rest of the chapters, because we do have our meetings. After COVID started, we had them virtual for until the end of last year, and so now we have them both in person and virtual, so we call it hybrid now. So we literally have our meetings all the time and we also communicate, and different members will say, well, I'm interested in this or I want to talk about that, and we literally can communicate with one another.

Exploring African American Genealogy and History

Kathleen 10:10

Sherry just mentioned the charter and just because I felt left out of being the knowledgeable one here, I want you to know that I was a charter member. Oh, you were a charter, so needy, that's my contribution to this conversation and I've been an OGS member, and so I mean I am an OGS member up to this December when I retired officially, but I have been an OGS supporter throughout. Sherry, can you share with us about the conference? I know there's a conference coming up.

Sherri Camp 10:47

Yes, there is, and so I'm going to point you to the website the OGS conference. Actually, the call for papers is open right now, and if you know what that means, that means it's time to if you have anything that you would like to submit to present. This is the time until the 28th of this month, but our conference is usually in the second week of October every single year, and this year is not different, and what's going to happen is it's going to be in Charleston, south Carolina, where the new international museum is. The International African American Museum is what it's called, and I'm dying to see it. I haven't seen it yet.

Sherri Camp 11:24

Last time I was in Charleston it wasn't up yet, but so it's going to be in that area. That's really kind of all I have right now Usually connected to the conference. We also have tours, so that'll also be interesting. I'm sure the museum will be part of that, and so we'll have speakers from all over the country and some international people speaking on various topics, and so I look forward to that quite a bit Sounds great, I'm going, you're going to that quite a bit.

Sherri Camp 11:48

It sounds great, I'm going, you're going.

Kathleen 11:51

I'm considering it myself, Sherry, but that's John's birthday month and John's birthday week.

John 11:58

Oh, it sounds like a perfect birthday present. Take me to a genealogy conference honey.

Kathleen 12:03

So the conference does sound fun, though this year in Charleston, and maybe I can talk Mr Branton hanging out with me.

John 12:10

Now I'm retired, I've lost 90% of my excuses for not going to a genealogy conference.

Kathleen 12:19

So, sherry, one of the things I also wanted to ask you about was let's go back to Topeka, because it's my place. You wrote a book about Topeka. Can you tell the listeners about that?

Sherri Camp 12:34

I want to start with why I wrote it, and it was something that had happened. Serendipitously, I would have this thing. You know, in doing research. One of the first resources that I look for when I am looking into a area that I've never been doing research is I want to look at the county history and find out what's happening in the county history and the turn of the 20th century.

Sherri Camp 12:58

The president says, hey, everybody needs to write their 100th year history for their counties and unfortunately, a lot of those county histories did not include people of color. So one of the things that I thought was very necessary were black county histories, which to some extent exist in the Image of America series. Let's see there's several different pieces of it. There's one specifically for blacks, but the one that I actually have done is not a black, black series, it's just the image of america series for topeka, and I was asked to do it, which I hear is uncommon, but anyway I did it and so I was really glad to do it. So african-american topeka is the name of my book, and what it does is it covers about 150 years of african-american history in topeka put out a lot of. Would you please give me some information in the news and, you know, just trying to get people to respond, I didn't get a lot of response, so I ended up doing a lot of the research, which was cool. It doesn't cover everything, of course, but it kind of touches over. It covers churches and schools, black businesses and organizations and things like that, music and sports. Not a lot, just barely covering the surface.

Sherri Camp 14:14

My objective was to just kind of tell some of the history that just wasn't out there, and so it was really quite fun. Just this, our last meeting, which our meetings are on the first Monday. So we just had one this past week and one of the people who was in our meeting said hey, I was looking through your book and I saw my grandmother and I just started crying. It was just reminding me and I'm like that is so cool and so I find people all the time will say I really like the idea that you have pictures of people who I knew or who I need to know about. So it's been, it was, it's still been. The book came out in 2013, but it's still been quite a great centerpiece for the community to talk about their own history.

Kathleen 14:59

I think it's a fabulous book. I don't remember, though. You do talk about Tennessee Town in there, right and John Tennessee Town. I think we've mentioned it once before on one of the podcasts, but Tennessee Town is the black community, traditional black community. Most of them came from Tennessee to Topeka and settled, and that's where a lot of my family's also settled in the Tennessee Town area before you know, generations ago.

Sherri Camp 15:29

Right.

Kathleen 15:29

So thanks, Sherry, for that and thanks for that contribution.

John 15:34

Yeah, Okay, so before you actually compiled everything, had everything compiled for the book, were you aware of the extent of the history in the Topeka area? Or was it enlightening for you to end up doing that research and read the responses that you got back from your requests? Or was it something like there's a rich history here I know there is, and then you're kind of working from that place, or were you working from a place of all of a sudden finding out what a rich history there is?

Sherri Camp 16:00

So that's a really good question, and I'm glad you asked it, because I do my own family research, of course, which is how I got started being a genealogist in the very first place. It's like, okay, this is going to take forever, the rest of my life, so I might as well get involved in this, and that's really what started me to be a genealogist. That was it. And then, of course, I've already talked to you about, you know, the histories that don't exist, compiled already.

Sherri Camp 16:24

But one of the things that I found as I was doing my own personal family history is is that my great-grandparents and my great-great-grandparents came here during the Exodus, which is 1879, 1880. And so I had a little bit of background in what the rich history of Topeka was, and so learning that they came during the Exodus was like, wow, this is part of my family too, and so then the next step was just learning more about African-Americans in Topeka. But I did know there was a lot there. I didn't know the extent of it, and I'm still learning because you know it's a lot, the exodus was such a big deal. You know it's a lot. The Exodus was such a big deal. They had congressional hearings on it. You know they had black what they call it colored conventions on it.

John 17:17

So you know there was a lot going on and there's still a lot to unravel. Yeah, I was curious about it because I used to be at one point. I remember being surprised at how much African American history was collected and was known but is not really disseminated.

Kathleen 17:36

I think Black History Month is for an exposure to share, to help educate those who are unfamiliar with African-American contributions.

John 17:47

However, I didn't say it. I didn't say it.

Kathleen 17:52

I didn't say it however, I like to remind people that African Americans are African American 12 months out of the year, so this is just one month that we try to share. We try to be advocates of other people, to learn, and I think that's what we want to keep going, no matter what happens on other fronts. We need to let people know and they need to have the resources to know. Let me just put it that way.

John 18:25

That's probably one of the great things about Cogs and Ogs is that you're out there for people to maintain that, and I'm sure that you have a lot of resources for everyone. It's not even though it is an African-American association. I'm sure that there are numerous resources that would be super valuable to researchers of all stripes. Can I say that? Well, that's correct.

Kathleen 18:49

Because without having African-American that, knowing the African-American history, Can I say that white enslavers is through the enslaved? That might be my only way of finding the difference between one John Smith from another, maybe by tracing Lovejoy the slave. So these kind of things are important. It's really American's history.

Sherri Camp 19:19

Unfortunately, as we all know, many people want to try to strip those things apart, which is it's impossible. It's just absolutely impossible when you start to look at all the different things. That wouldn't be if it weren't for African-Americans. It's just, you know, it's impossible to look at one thing or another, but the thing about it is is we also have to talk about it, because there are a lot of things that I have learned just in doing our meetings with COGS that one year we had African-American inventions and I believe was it Kareem Abdujabbar, who literally has a book that came out two or three or four years ago maybe it may have been anyway about Black inventions that some of which I didn't know.

Sherri Camp 20:04

And there's still things that I'm learning all the time. That you know we, our people, have made things better or made things because they needed it. Well, they say necessity is the mother of invention, and so you know we're doing the work. We have to make something easier for ourselves. Therefore, you have all these inventions, and so there's still things we don't know that we work. We have to make something easier for ourselves. Therefore, you have all these inventions, and so there's still things we don't know that we should. We should not just Americans, but all Americans.

John 20:34

But but well, I agree All of that history is important. However, the neglected portions have been disproportionately, I think, representative of African Americans. When men served separately, African American men were having to serve separately in their own troops. Then you had women who were serving as well. I think they just had another movie come out on that.

Sherri Camp 20:59

Yeah, and the other movie is the Hidden Figures.

John 21:02

Yes, hidden Figures yeah.

Sherri Camp 21:04

Kansas City was represented.

John 21:05

Okay hugely, yeah, and and so you? There's that rich history. It's good enough for movies, you know, but it doesn't seem to always make it to the history books, and that's more for movies because somebody said this story needs to be told.

Sherri Camp 21:19

Yeah, the only way we can get it to people in, I guess, palatable ways is is to make a movie which I'm which I'm not against at all.

John 21:26

Oh no, not at all. It'd take them any day of the week, especially if it spurs the interest to find out the greater contributions. And we'll throw in red tails while we're there too, thank you.

Sherri Camp 21:38

So we find that there were Tuskegee Airmen in Topeka and in just about every other place in the country. Six, triple Eight.

John 21:47

Oh, six, triple Eight.

Sherri Camp 21:48

Six, triple Eight, the black women who did the mail for the World War II. Yes, we had actually an African-American woman here in Topeka. I wrote. He's in my book, her son is in my book. I interviewed him for a reveal that we did for Identity Quest and come to find out that was the first thing he told us my mom was a 6888. Oh, wow, we had to find her. But when we found her, I'm like, wow, this is so cool. And then, of course, there's the monument that's in Leavenworth.

Kathleen 22:19

Yes, so, John, I want to stop this train here because I really want Sherry to mention and talk about the identity quest really quickly also.

John 22:30

Oh, okay.

Sherri Camp 22:31

Oh, okay, so that's part of my day job. At the library we came up with a way to help people learn more about we were looking to do a genealogy roadshow type of of show and we were hoping to work with the genealogy road show and you know, this is dating this whole thing idea, because it's been a while and then they just stopped it. It's like, nope, we're not doing that anymore, that's just pbs speaking. And so we got with our local pbs station and says, hey, how can we do something like this? And that's where identity quest was born. So we have a conference every two years where we invite a guest speaker, and Kathleen's been there.

Sherri Camp 23:12

She's claiming it, then we have heritage celebrations where we can celebrate the various heritages that exist in Topeka and we happen to have about 22 of them and then we also talk about how to do genealogy, or you know, whatever our call for papers comes up with. Usually we're celebrating heritage and we always have talks on various heritages Swedish, german, african-american, hispanic, dot dot dot and then we also have had reveals. So if you go to our website, you'll get to the genealogy page of the library's website and then you can see where you can click on Identity Quest and you'll see all of our sessions we've had and the reveals that we've done, and you'll also get to see the one and the whole reason why I said that is the 6888 one and the guy's name is Richard Jones.

John 24:02

Oh, very cool, that's absolutely excellent John.

Kathleen 24:06

As you mentioned, I have been a speaker there. It's a wonderful event. It's one of the events I go to, whether or not I'm a speaker, so I've been to quite a few.

John 24:15

And when is Identity Quest normally held?

Sherri Camp 24:19

It's normally in November, and we do it every other year, so we have one in 2024, and the next one is supposed to be in 2026.

Kathleen 24:27

So, john, did you have something else for Sherry, or Sherry, do you have something you want to share with us?

Sherri Camp 24:33

I do have a couple of things, just really quickly. We have, as I said, meetings every month COGS does and we've had quite a few different things over the years. And we've had quite a few different things over the years, Anywhere from how to be a griot your family's griot to having guest speakers. We had a Virta Bird on one year I think it was in 2023. I don't know if you've ever heard of this one. She didn't know that she was black. She wasn't black.

John 25:01

Yeah, I have heard of this.

Exploring African American Community History

Sherri Camp 25:05

Yeah, and they're making it a movie now, maybe not her story specifically, but her husband's story Pullman, car Porters, I think it was and so they're making a movie out of it. So it's really quite interesting. They had a lawsuit that they won. Yeah, just a story. I didn't know until I met Berta Bird. So it's just, we've had all kinds of people come and speak to us just last year or maybe 2023, no, 2024's theme was learning about the various Black history and the various towns in Topeka. So we've had Manhattan, salina, topeka, of course, kansas City no, that was 2023, because Bird of Bird was part of that one. So we've really delved into a lot of different things and, of course, some of our main questions is how can I do my family history?

John 25:52

So we're going to do some of that this year. Oh, that sounds fun. That sounds a lot of fun, so that's your theme this year, in 2025?

Sherri Camp 25:58

So so so so far we have had one of our members Her name is John Klein, from Lawrence, and we had Lawrence's Black History too, by the way.

Sherri Camp 26:11

She was working on a project with the Oak Hill Cemetery there where there are a lot of black people buried and she's working to identify them all, and she even had worked to identify some of my people and was telling me some stuff like I didn't know that. So, anyway, that was January, and this month we talked to the 1954 alumni is kind of what we call them People who have lived from the winter school to the four segregated schools in Topeka and then changed over to desegregated schools, and their experiences and call them living legacies, and so we're talking to them. Um, just for that was february. Next month we'll be talking to what another one, what another one of our members will be speaking about black owned resort in colorado, and I think that that's just the most phenomenal story ever, because rich black people had a resort back in the 20s, and so she's going to tell us that story, this in March, the first.

John 27:08

Oh, that sounds like a lot of fun. In the in the last comment, kathleen, you, sherry, you were talking about finding remains and naming remains. Does that dovetail into EVN, kathleen, and kind of what they would do? Maybe that's a further conversation, even off the air?

Kathleen 27:25

Yes, that's a further conversation, john, because we're going to start giving out small grants to people who are just doing that and need help with their databases or need help with things. So, sherry, I don't know if you know this, but we are board members and founding persons of Tracing Ancestors, tracingancestorsorg, and we have something called Eternal Valor Network and it's really about the military who are buried without honors or without recognition, but it is really includes everyone, especially African American or more disadvantaged, which seems to be a lot of African-American communities. So I think a couple of weeks, a couple of months ago, we had Michelle Cook on, who does the USCT in Missouri, and those are the kind of things we are looking for. The show notes will hold all of the links for this podcast and anything that might be pertinent.

Sherri Camp 28:30

Be sure to share it with the Cox members, I will piggyback on that, this particular researcher who did the Oak Hill Cemetery. Her focus was actually the African-American military people who had been buried, who were buried there. Yeah.

John 28:45

Yeah, good.

Kathleen 28:46

So anything else, Sherry, that you have for us.

Sherri Camp 28:49

You know what? There's always so much we could talk forever about African-American genealogy and all of the stuff that I teach and do. I do want to say one more thing, just so you know, about the. So my book has actually dovetailed into an exhibit that is here in Topeka. It started last year. It's called Our Stories African-American Topeka Before and After Brown. So it starts with the first African-American woman who came to Topeka, which is in my book, and covers the span up until today, or at least in the 2020s, and so we've had quite a bit of things going on. There's a lot of media that's in the room, so we have like different videos that are in different places. We talk about education, but the biggest thing that we talk about are the four or five Black neighborhoods that made up Topeka, and, of course, they were spread out all over the place, and so the objective of the exhibit is to kind of bring all of those communities together in one place.

Kathleen 29:50

And where is this exhibit being shown?

Sherri Camp 29:51

It is right now at the Great Overland Station, which is, you know, a train station that is no longer a train station. Okay, it's now kind of just a great big hall.

John 30:03

And how long would it take if I wanted to come through and see the exhibit? About how long would it I?

Sherri Camp 30:08

would say give it at least an hour. But, if you want to read everything and look at all the videos, you may need to.

John 30:16

So it'd be a perfect day trip, perfect time to grab lunch, go see an excellent exhibit and learn a bit about the country and African-American history, or American history, however you want to say it.

Kathleen 30:29

Yes, thanks, john, it sounds like a day date.

John 30:33

I think I just picked one Wonderful.

Sherri Camp 30:36

I'll be glad to see you guys here.

John 30:38

Yeah.

Sherri Camp 30:39

Personally.

John 30:40

Okay, perfect, okay, I think we're good. Thank you, sherry, so much for this. I appreciate you making the time on a Saturday morning.

Sherri Camp 30:49

Thank you, I really appreciate it being here.

Kathleen 30:52

And Sherry, thanks for being patient with me and all things that happen with Kathleen trying to get ready for a podcast.

Sherri Camp 31:00

It's all good.

John 31:01

I'll go for the territory, right? Yeah, fire your producer. I think he's the one that has the issue. Well, congratulations, you made it to the end of another episode. Thanks so much for staying. Thanks to Sherry Camp for chatting with us. Thanks to new listeners in Japan, France and Norway. Thanks to Chewy Chewbacca Brandt, our part-time bed warmer and full-time squirrel aggravator, for his unwavering lack of interest in anything we're doing. The theme song for Hittin' the Bricks was written and performed by Tony Fisknuckle and the Klingons. Watch for their next appearance at the Wienerschnitzel on 2233 Riverside, Iowa. You can find us wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts. Do you have a genealogical question for Kathleen? Drop us a line at HittintheBricks at gmailcom and let us know.