Bonzai Bonner
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Bonzai Bonner: [00:00:00] Hello . 

Andy Gott: Welcome to Tracks of Our Queers. It's a pleasure to be talking to you and I know that we've well, I've been mostly sliding into your dms, but we've been talking on and off online for probably over a year now. Yes. About having some kind of conversation. So it's really lovely to just.

Sit down with you and, and do it. 

Bonzai Bonner: It's a pleasure. And for about six months as well of listening to the podcast of oral fixation, I didn't have any pictures or any images of what yourselves looked like. So I only went by, it was it was the energy that both of you, 

Andy Gott: And you listened, you know, during lockdown Yes. Which was confronting for everyone, but especially for people who work in nightlife and you know, that, that area, I don't necessarily want to take us back to that dark time because I think there's positive movement ahead, but I would love to know ,after a few months or however . Now we are recording [00:01:00] this in August, 2022. Is there anything in the events that you are putting on or attending that you still think is somewhat missing from pre covid world? Or actually, has anything improved? 

Bonzai Bonner: I can only go by what.

Experience in Glasgow. And I feel like a lot has happened in levels of improvement and it's still going to continue as well. But what I see as someone who's the booker of a venue, as well as putting my own parties on, is that I've seen that people who connect. Communities, especially the queer community.

It's, it's us who are thriving. It's people who are being authentic and showing what their experience and movement with music is. I think in the long run there's always going to be the big business part of music, but I do see that [00:02:00] very quickly dismantling, and I'm all for it.

Because it is, it's, I think now more than ever that the lockdown allowed us to have conversations about reclaiming spaces again. And that's what is happening better than ever for over a decade or longer. It's the best that's ever been in Glasgow. And yes, there's still room for improvement, but I, I do see that.

those marginalized communities are the ones that are making things that are interesting and persevering despite Yeah. The, the darkness as you called it. 

Andy Gott: And I just think from what I've seen, you know, on socials Glasgow Glasgow's queer scene is absolutely thriving. And I've, I've fallen in love with your club nights from afar.

I've never been to one of your dance floors. I'm sure it's gonna happen in the future, but I've seen the videos and I have to give a particular shout out to your event. Posters, the artwork that [00:03:00] you Oh, amazing. Commission from queer artists. Yeah. To promote your events. I am such a sucker for event artwork.

It makes such a brilliant a difference to me as an attendee. 

Bonzai Bonner: I appreciate that. Cheers. Well, as I just, yeah, just want to credit some people there. Martina Brek, who's, really popping with the current ones you've seen. And there's so many other folk.

Mark Patterson, there's Katie Forbes. . 

Andy Gott: The other thing I wanted to say about your events is that I want to give a bit of a shout up to the way that you frame.

Welcomes and safe space policies. You touched on just now the community aspect of your events and , I'll never forget my first time on a full packed dance floor. in during Covid era. It was so confronting and a little bit scary, but it felt like it was where I should also be.

It was this weird contradiction of I want to be here. I'm sure it'll get easier, but I know this is supposed to be happening, [00:04:00] but your safe space policies, they always felt incredibly genuine, sincere, and focused on returning to. pre-phone, pre-social media, dance floor connection, and very much respect based.

It's like, we want you to all be here. We want to have a great time, but we want you all to show respect to each 

Bonzai Bonner: other. Absolutely. And I'm glad that it it does. It comes across that way, especially for someone who isn't based in Glasgow, and we do our best to still continue. the level of language and the level of connections and still make conversation with it.

And the no camera policy. There's so many different things that we try and do in different venues, especially you see it yourself. Queer life and just everything that isn't just queer life. A lot of what we do now is always documented and sometimes it doesn't need to be documented.

And [00:05:00] on the dance floor, you can just yeah, immerse yourself in the experience of the music, and that's what. , these purpose built, eh, club spaces have got it's phenomenal sound systems and it, there is, there's a huge difference between that, eh, current and base level as opposed to I listening through your laptop speakers.

Yeah. So you do, you need to really, I unlock your body and feel the connect. 

Andy Gott: You as I would already said in this episode, you put on, you promote, you perform at queer events in Glasgow and across the uk. You must see firsthand the relationship that I think is somewhat unique, but the relationship that queer people have with music.

I would love to know how much of your personal connection with music. Do you think is related to your queerness? Is there a connection or am I just clutching good straws 

Bonzai Bonner: here? Oh no, massively. Like music was always my route of escapism [00:06:00] being someone who was from a small village, and that was my way of being able to dream a bigger picture than what was there.

And yeah, so that's, I try to convey with shoot Your Shot. There is a huge importance with the music and the people who get to play in the booth. And whether that is someone who's under an established artist, I still like to do my best to have somebody who's maybe.

Had the opportunity to be in these spaces, and it could be different levels. It's because of the gate keeping that I have experienced. Mm-hmm. and I want to give that back to somebody who I know is probably going through the same thing. 

Andy Gott: I would love to know, do you remember.

The first song or album you heard that made you feel seen in your queerness or oed, but you [00:07:00] know? 

Bonzai Bonner: I think with the tracks that I've chosen. Okay. These are the ones that definitely resonate the most, and especially with the way that I DJ as someone who. So many different genres and styles and rhythms.

There's a, there's this incredible soft spot I have for that. music that's always just, yes, synth heavy, and it's always, it's so melancholic driven. Mm-hmm. , it's always going to hit, hit you like at the heart, and you have to, sometimes it might take a few lessons. Sometimes there's some, like, some of the tracks from the band that I've chosen, I still have to maybe listen more intently into, and I, I think it's.

Yeah. There's like, there's like a, a sheer beauty and a genius with it. Yes. Yeah. So I'm looking forward to chatting about the three, 

Andy Gott: well, that said, let's just get into it then. What is the [00:08:00] track that you are discussing today? 

Bonzai Bonner: Well I try not to bubble up the track is pet Shop boys.

Always on my mind and it's the extended remix 

Andy Gott: You were very specific about that , the extended dance version. . 

Bonzai Bonner: Yes. I believe, I don't have it written down here, but I believe it's eight minutes, 13 seconds long. , yeah, I'd sign off on that. Yeah, and that's something that, eh, I think is very lost with the current , do you know it's the current trend of music just now?

Mm-hmm. with, with talks and all the other ways. It's, everything's very two minutes, three minutes. And that's how Pop did form. But there is a real beauty if you are able to. capture those, those [00:09:00] hooks. If you can extend it into that length of time. You don't want to miss a second of it. And I'll get pissed. Don't if someone tries you blend. If you blend if you like. But do not, do not switch it off. 

Andy Gott: I could not agree with these words of gospel more. I remember, you know, when I was first exploring these extended dance versions of songs that I already loved and feeling of it impatient sometimes and wanting to skip to the good stuff, but like you said, it's like actually just enjoying every bloody second of that.

And yes. These remixes were often made for blending purposes and create more of that dance floor kind of story. But with Always on my mind specifically, do you remember when you maybe first heard this track, or has it just always been there? 

Bonzai Bonner: Well, I've definitely heard that. , I'm going to use a Scottish terminology for myself as a kid if I, if you hear me say, Wayne

Yes, please. Yes. Well, [00:10:00] Scott's 

Andy Gott: the better, please. Oh, 

Bonzai Bonner: okay. . So yeah, when I was Wayne, I recall hearing always on my mind a fair few times. It probably was something like, Maybe a top of the pop special or I think also just maybe the company and the people I was around with, the Petock boys being a, a pop institution in the uk.

It's not very difficult to not hear them out playing, especially when growing up. But as it was, it was always a track I really loved and I did look up that is actually been released 152 times. And this one's still the best. It's better than the Elvis version. It was first recorded by someone called Brenda Lee. Yep. But the very first hit version was Elvis, and yeah, it shits right on top of it.

Andy Gott: You heard it here. People, it shits on Elvis. So [00:11:00] psb. . They released their version in 1987, which I believe became that year's Christmas UK number one, which to anyone listening outside of the uk, that is a very big deal. Well, it was. It's maybe not so much now, but back then in 1987, that would've been a huge deal.

It also, very interestingly, to me, went to number four in the US and the whole presence of pet shop boys and maybe the band we're about to talk about next. For some reason it always baffles me as to how successful they were in the US because I think the uk, Europe, Australia has a very similar sensibility when it comes to embracing pop music and aspects of camp and synth pop.

Whereas America has never foul. Like such a welcoming space in that area. But the Pet Shop boys were huge in the us. And something like always on my mind, which is about as camp as it gets, getting to number four, I think is astounding and shows that there was and is an appetite for that. 

Bonzai Bonner: I think [00:12:00] the, the same could be applied to lady Gaga also.

I I think it took her a while to. Get the merit chair, of course huge in America, but it was definitely here in the uk that really helped her storm into the charts because of the I could be completely wrong here, but I, I do remember her uh, coming out and I, she very much as well.

, if you've ever seen that. Performance as Wild, the one that was on the Brit Awards, it was the pet. I have to say 

Andy Gott: I was there in that space there and then I was there. Yes, it was epic. Okay. When she was doing the Dusty Springfield moment with what have I done to deserve this? And, and like back.

but that was over 10 years ago now. I, I did not love the pet up boys anywhere near as much as I love them now, I absolutely adore them, but it's been a bit of a journey for me. And I'm not trying to purposely make you cry , but I would just love to know a bit more about why did you pick this song? Yeah.

Why is your [00:13:00] relationship with it so 

Bonzai Bonner: powerful? So as like speaking about when, when you requested me to choose tracks that have. that I've defined my queer experience. Then this one was one that I think is definitely touched on me the most because it reminds me of it reminds me a lot of a friend mm-hmm.

who's no longer here. And it takes me back to the day that I found. The news that it was cancer. And and yeah, it was my friend Paul. And on that night, just in through Paul's style, they knew that his days were going to be numbered mm-hmm. , but uh, and his like, just in the way that he would take sometimes in his stride, he was out that night with his.

And they came into the club [00:14:00] pub club that I worked and I used to do security outdoors. And I went down to the basement of this, eh, this venue. And we were just given one another, a hug, a little chat, and I, I remember the song playing and he was just, He just said, fuck it. I'm just going to have a party tonight.

And he just stood right up in the chairs and started running around the room. And I don't even know if anyone else was, was there at all inside the space, apart from the DJ at that point, but has presence, whether it was himself in that room, eh, or it was a going to be a room full of people. He always.

he always captured your attention and he always had presence. And it's because of because of the way that connecting with other [00:15:00] queer people that I still have in my life. He was he was a person who was a, was a connector to them. And yeah. As a result of that, I've been. able to see the Pet Shop boys.

It's been like a lovely gift from a friend of mine, Robbie, who has treated me to see them three times live in London. Wow. And one of my favorite one of my favorite ever gigs was seeing the Pet Shop Boys at the Royal Opera House. But but yeah, like going back to Paul, it was how much.

I'd say that his friendship and also his passing as well, that that has allowed me to just chip, chip away in time. But still, I think still try and strive for authenticity. And as, and also, Learn in, in the way of grief because I never really had that before his passing. I didn't, I didn't feel that so [00:16:00] much with, with anyone else.

And it definitely is that queer family chosen family. That's what this track reminds me about. And as it said, going back to that, Melancholy. It's such a, a beautiful track. Yeah. 

Andy Gott: Thank you so much for sharing that . That's a really, really special story and I, I do firmly believe that that quintessential like dance floor melancholy, it's like a cornerstone of the relationship that queer people have with music.

It sounds like a cliche, but it's cliche for a reason. There's happiness and sadness in, in everything that we love. Yeah. And especially this song, this song is at both times euphoric and soaring. But like lines, like little things I should have said and done. Oh I mean, just gets, gets you every time.

It's, it's literally having a little cry on the dance floor. Yeah. And embracing all of those amazing emotions that come with that. So I think this is [00:17:00] a wonderful select. 

Bonzai Bonner: Thank you, . 

Andy Gott: I dunno if you've seen it, I dunno if what streaming service it would be on in the uk, but have you heard of a Spanish TV show called Verno?

I haven't though . It's this, it's a real life story about this trans icon in Spain who was huge in the nineties and the two thousands. And she sadly died about five or six years ago. But her story was told by like an all queer writing and production team gay men and a lot of trans women from Spain.

Actually on the, on the story that you've just told me, I'm not sure if it's probably best to send you a YouTube link because you'll be in bits, but there's an incredibly poignant scene in the very last episode where she's reflecting on her life and all the different people that she's been soundtrack to, always on my mind by the Pet Up Boys.

So this song clearly resonates with a lot of us. Wow. But yeah, your story. Thank you very much. Oh, cheers. So I hope you got the box of tissues ready because

Bonzai Bonner: otherwise [00:18:00] it's all, it's all coming, it's all bubbling out. Manures. Just though , this is, this is 

Andy Gott: therapy. This is therapy for us. It's brilliant. It just so happens that there's a microphone here at the same time. So I asked you about an album and an artist and I say to everyone that, you can go.

All of all three can be related to the same artists or they can all be completely different. But you have chosen an album and your artist as the same thing. So would tell us about what you've picked? 

Bonzai Bonner: Well, okay. They formed in 1985, , and they're a j It doesn't come as a surprise to anyone in Glasgow who may be listening.

But, but yes, it's funnily enough Erasure. Erasure are the artists I want to talk about, and it's a great difficulty of trying to. One album. I've been really filtering around for weeks on this . I had to, I had to choose a compilation, I'm afraid. But the [00:19:00] compilation itself still has a lot of memories for me.

It was a, I said to you yesterday, I think it's a very good indicator for me if I'm going to get on with someone. because if you can't like a erasure, then we're not gonna get along . It's just not possible, eh, you know, like eh sos, but Naz , not sos . Love that. So Razor hits the very best off, which came out in 2003.

There are a band as well who have had plenty of number one albums, but they've only ever had one, eh, top single and it's not their own . It's a, it's a cover again, eh, which I find quite criminal. But here they've sell, camped this. Song write up, and it already was camp, but they're, [00:20:00] but they're, but they're only number one single as uh, a cover of Abba's.

Lay all your love on me. , 

Andy Gott: I would love to know, were you, did you discover erasure for yourself or did, was it gifted to you by someone else? 

Bonzai Bonner: Definitely television at that moment gifted it to me.

I'd say that it was once again top of the pops, but also I remember years ago that it was on, quite often it was an advert for their, another compilation that they had back, back then. Pop. Yes, it's, I think it was the top, it's 20 hits that they had. Yes. . I also had it was a babysitter, eh, babysitter.

I think it was about five or six, but Uhhuh but, but her partner was a, a very skilled keyboard player. I remember at that point love To Hate You was a huge song. It was definitely in the top 10. [00:21:00] And that song was, It was definitely that tune that when I saw Vince Clark floating and whatever.

Mm-hmm. That spaceship looking keyboard flying U f o in the video. But when I listened to that track, that was the thing that really got me interested in playing the keyboard, like really picking up my musical instrument. . So I remember that. And it was a babysitter's partner. I, I asked him to sometimes play wow.

In some Erasure tracks, and he would, so I was, you know, hook line and sinker zaza ca plays . 

Andy Gott: So there was something. The language of that music that was speaking to you, even if you couldn't really articulate what it was exactly, you were, your ears were pricking up to specifically this 

Bonzai Bonner: music. Uhhuh . I remember that so vividly.

It was [00:22:00] always synth pop. And, and also at that point I would, I wouldn't know what, eh, either language. Queer or gay boys, but you saw that the people who were the forefront, whether that's Andy Bell, but it could be like Mark Hammond, that's still people who were very very, very camp.

And the people who still I, I always look up. Examples, and maybe they're not the best of singers, but you've got people like Steve Strange as well. Yes. It was always people who, eh, I'd say Neil Tenant stood out. Neil Tenant. Yeah, yeah, uhhuh . 

Andy Gott: These men who really were groundbreaking in wearing their countless and that queer sensibility on their sleeve, even if they came out publicly at different times.

It's baffling to me to this day to look at the years and dates when some of these albums and singles were released. Like I touched on earlier about the American thing, the, the chart success it achieved, and I'm not here to get [00:23:00] hung up on chart positions, but we've gotta remember that back then.

That was the main indicator of success because we didn't have streaming services to go and find this music, like to find the success that they had in the charts was just incredible and Andy Bell specifically is as campus tits and always was. Yeah. 

Bonzai Bonner: And that's a thing. Un unapologetically queer. 

Andy Gott: We've got no concept of, you know, what kind of conversations might have happened behind the scenes. But I do think it's important to point out that the allyship that you see in the partnership he has with Vince Clark, like Vince Clark came from Yasu with the iconic Alison Moyer. He put out this call for this new band where he needed a singer Andy Bow auditioned.

They became. Duo and I think I've read about how on the first album they recorded, Andy Bau was very shy and unsure of himself because Vince Clark was very well established. But, you know, he was given this space and permission to, to make [00:24:00] mistakes and to experiment. And that led to huge success.

And I think in the decades since moving through the AIDS crisis and them kind of going away for a few years and then coming back to the position that they hold in pop culture now. Shout out to both of them, but also, yeah. Specifically kind of a straight man centering this unapologetically queer encamp man as the front person of the band.

Yeah. As that person who prs around on stage in a corset while Vince stands at the back looking grumpy over a keyboard, together, they just work so well. , 

Bonzai Bonner: it's like a, a, a camp top version of Sparks, you know, ? Yes, yes. Very 

Andy Gott: much . So the very best of it opens with 

Bonzai Bonner: i, I think it's all lemore.

It is. It's all lemore. It's all more, I mean, the second track is sometimes yeah. But, but that listing of all the tracks and of course they'll have lay all your love on me cuz you can't. Yeah. If it's your [00:25:00] biggest one. Personally it's not my favorite. Favorites of mine. I've, I've spoke about one there.

Love to hate you. But always is definitely, I'd say yes. My top one life without a doubt. And that reminds me of it, was that that hit I number four in the charts, and I remember that so vividly as well. And, and that year, eh, it was out in the charts long before I. A Walkman for my birthday. 

I bought the tape and I listened to it just so often that it was, it was rinsed and it was the first time of ever listening to a track that I ever felt like, do you know, , a pining for love? Yes. Ever feeling that, but it's a love that you've not yet. 

Andy Gott: You, you have just worded that.

So immaculately, it's a pining for a love that [00:26:00] you've not yet found. 

Bonzai Bonner: Yeah. No . But it was, it, it, it, it truly was. And, that's a band that have allowed me to, and, and the form of their expression, the sounds, again, with the sins, but all also those, those lyrics and Maybe more because of the way that Andy Bell's strong is it's just the the showmanship and that presence and projection with his vocals that the, the words mean so much more.

then maybe listening to, I'm not criticizing Neil 10, but I can understand why some people maybe don't grasp it so much because it is more of, it's not monotony at all, but it's it's more like someone talking when, when you It's unconventional for sure. Yeah, yeah. But there is, there's like the moments.

I think Andy definitely does. He can definitely carry. , the peaks and troughs of the track. And he does that so, so perfectly with [00:27:00] always. 

Andy Gott: You've mentioned. 

Bonzai Bonner: I love to hate you. I'd love to hate you. Oh my God. I love that. Track. Stay with me. Mm-hmm. and. Maybe not one of the most popular ones on that that I see through that streaming site, but stay with me is just, oh, that, that's a definitely much more in the ballad level.

Lyrically again that, that song as well reminds me of a friend. . I think that was the very first time I got to see Razor Live too. Mm-hmm. , it was, when they were covering, it wasn't covers, they were doing more of a down tempo version with Yes, it was uh, the Union Street album, which they.

ended up, 

Andy Gott: was that that country album? Was it a Bit 

Bonzai Bonner: Country? They would sometimes have a little bit of it was country esque ? Yes. Yes. As it's called Union Street. And they do a version of Stay [00:28:00] with me on that. And that I, I was second I was in the second row at the Royal Concert. I wouldn't say Andy was at his most Camp Spectacular.

It was a Battlestar Galactic T-shirt and Oh wow. It was some, yeah, come on. I mean, at least he come on fucking, he camped up Battlestar Galactic as if it needed anymore camping up then. Oh, it was really glossy looking red trousers he had on or per It was, yes. Yes. Yeah. But, but that, but that track.

I, I remember holding my friend's hand and yeah, just blessing out to that because 

Andy Gott: I was gonna ask, have you seen a rose alive? Is that the, is that the only time you've seen them live? 

Bonzai Bonner: Seen them? No, I've seen them. Four times live? Yeah. Yeah. I'm, I've just ended up with like, not

I'm trying to call myself old age. I'm, I'm far from it, but yeah. I'm, I'm just very particular about [00:29:00] what venues I want to see these people playing. 

And they have often played at the Clyde Auditorium, which. , that looks like a mini version of the Sydney Opera House.

Okay. What they call it, they are manillo, but uh, I mean, the acoustics are great, but you're sitting on your arse and that is a bit of a uh, beige venue. And the, the other three times that I've seen them is at the O Academy and, I, would, I'd, I'd love for that number to be bigger.

But and it will be, 

Andy Gott: Yes, it will be. I'm sure they've got a few more tour lifting them. Oh, 

Bonzai Bonner: I and for the record, I've seen Pet Shop boys six times now. . 

Andy Gott: I've just missed their UK tour. I was still in Australia, but I am dying, hoping, and praying that they will come to Australia for this current tour that they're doing, because the, the dream world is out of this world.

There's songs in there that I thought I'd never see them perform live, but onto keeping it in the space of erasure, patch up boys, all of this. I went to uni in [00:30:00] Manchester 10 years, well, gosh, it was like 12 years ago now, and I was writing.

For the student newspaper, for the music section, and they sent around an email saying, these are the gigs that we've got free tickets to. If anyone wants to go and do a write up, and erasure was on the list, this would've been maybe 20 10, 20 11. I just didn't know too much about them at that point.

I loved a little respect, which I very inaccurately thought was a bit of a one hit wonder. Don't hate me cuz I then educated myself after . But I then I went to the gig by myself. I couldn't find anyone to go with me. And it was at the I think the Manchester Apollo. And I got quite close to the front because I ended up getting there a bit earlier and I was flabbergasted everything you've already mentioned about Andy showmanship, the, the Campari of it all, but the bangers, the songs are amazing and.

there was a specific version of always that they performed on that tour, which for [00:31:00] whatever reason, I've never been able to find it, unlike YouTube since. But the way that they reinvented that song for that tour was particularly glittering and gorgeous. But in the years to follow both erasure and pet shop boys, they're kind of these cornerstones for me of working out of, how do I say this?

internalized homophobia that I may have been moving through. Mm-hmm. in my own music tastes because they are so unapologetically camp maybe, you know, going back to Neil's more unconventional singing style, I've always. not for many years now. I love them unapologetically, but getting into them, I would sometimes cringe at their more camp aspects.

And now I look back on that as me moving through, you know, aspects of internalized homophobia. I dunno if that rings any bells 

Bonzai Bonner: with you, but for myself, I never, experienced that so much until there was. I was in [00:32:00] school and it was that album that always is from it's an album by the name of I C I C I C, and I had a recorded tape off it, and I made my own personalized looking version. That was because I didn't buy the official tape and when I recorded it for me, but I, I made my own personal tape cover. Amazing. And uh, yeah. Do you still have it? I, no, I don't because because this is what the story touches on. Oh, okay. Yeah, because I was in.

And then in the middle of, I dunno, singing some scripture union site or whatever it was, kumbaya before 12 o'clock the, the head mistress came in and said, oh, I've just found this empty tape. And it's sok. I say, I say, I say . And I remember, I remember the teacher from my class having a big fucking laugh about it and [00:33:00] was just, okay, well I, whose is it?

And never in my life, because of their reaction to it, I thought, oh shit. Okay. Um, I better not put my hand up. And, and that's the only time that I've, I, I've actually ever pressed, is there something wrong with me enjoying these people? 

Andy Gott: Even in that moment when maybe you weren't aware of what was going on there it was queer coded.

Yeah. That you could pick up the signals in that communication that this was something which was almost somewhat tab. . 

Bonzai Bonner: Yeah, it was, it was so strange. I, yeah. And I'd Fascinating. Yeah. And I can't, I better, I better just, I listen to take that then. I'm trying to think of who else would've been back, back then.

Mm-hmm. . But probably was just them. We 

Andy Gott: can talk about them on another podcast where we talk about our Heterosexual influences in music . 

Bonzai Bonner: Well, it's not main there anywhere.[00:34:00] 

Andy Gott: I do wanna give a shout out to I do really love Ola Moore. I think it is the definition of melancholy, pining yearning. And also I really love blue savanna. I think there's a more subtle, delicate melan.

Bonzai Bonner: I mean that's a good cool down one today after dancing, just after doing a, a few rounds. Just crank blue savanna and you're ready to go . 

Andy Gott: Is there anything that you wanted to mention about erasure that hasn't come up already? 

Bonzai Bonner: They've definitely, they've definitely shaped the way that. listened to music and I, I think also just the way that I look at things creatively as well because if you, have you ever watched the tank? This one in the balloon? I haven't. That was Okay. So that was uh, a tour that they, eh, had in 1990.

and you'll be able to either buy it on [00:35:00] DVD like I did and have nothing to watch it on anymore , or you can or you can stream it on YouTube. . And it's there for you to witness the full glory and campus. If there was a, a gig that I could be transported at any time, any place.

Andy Gott: That's actually a really great, great question that I might use in future episodes. Like what would be your kind of Yeah. Recommendation, like, like further listening, you know, like what's your next step on your journey with this artist?

Thank you so much for your time. You welcome. I could talk to you forever, as always. Always. Again, . But I'm gonna show you a little respect now. Yes, please. On your day 

Bonzai Bonner: off and someone has to come on. . 

Andy Gott: Is there a queer charity initiative social media account that you'd like to shout?

Bonzai Bonner: I would like to give a shout out to the small trans Library. And that's a Relief Fund, which is in Glasgow, and it helps many people who are needing assistance with whether [00:36:00] that's our or Bell or any transition expenses. Yep. We've got a very beautiful trans community here in Glasgow.

We need to remember if, if we're talking about the point of erasure pet Shop boys and all of these, how like aids really affected people in the eighties. This is now what we're going through here currently is the same the way that trans folk are being discriminated in the use of.

That's being driven in the media is a disgrace. Yeah. And we should be helping out people when we can. And these, these funds and the people who raise money for them we need to give credit for. Yep. 

Andy Gott: Thank you so much and I'll put the link to that in the episode notes. So I guess bonsai bono, you are queer and thank you for your tracks.

Bonzai Bonner: Thank you.