Erin

Hi everybody.

Josh

What a do baby boo.

Erin

We are back bar. We are 60% back. Yeah.

Josh

Y'all question mark. We got our asses handed to us with Covid.

Erin

Yeah. That was

Josh

really special.

Erin

I mean, we didn't have to go to the hospital or anything, but

Josh

It was rough. It

Erin

was rough. Both of us still have very thick brain fog. Yeah, it's

Josh

crazy. And I haven't had this brain fog since Lymey.

Erin

Yeah. The whole time I was like, man, this is terrible. I feel awful. And Josh was like, it is really bad. It also kind of just feels like Lyme

Josh

Yeah. The shortness of breath, the brain fog, the fatigue. I mean, I didn't get fevers all the time,

Erin

Yeah, my favor was over 1 0 3 for three days. It was crazy. I thought I

Josh

was in Erin. Looked like another She was, she. She went away for a minute.

Erin

Oh. Honestly, though, my. Psyche was great. The whole time I mean, I was physically miserable to the point where I was like shaking But in my head, I was just like, I was really using this opportunity to practice what good old, good old Eckhart has taught me in the last few months. And I was like, okay, in this present moment, there is nothing wrong It's not ignoring the fact that your body is on fire from the inside. It truly felt like there was molten metal flowing through my spine, is the best way I could describe it. Like the headache. I've never had a headache like that before. wow. That's all I can say. and I'm a first. We both are people who are not like, quick to jump to whatever, ibuprofen or Tylenol, whatever. But there were a couple times where it woke me out of sleep and I was like, wow, I'm either going to go take ibuprofen right now, or I'm, I'm gonna pass away. I'm gonna die. Yeah. So this is it. Whew. Anyway, There is truth to it. After having experienced that and being able to lay there on the couch and pure misery and still be able to think okay, really though pain and suffering is. To some degree an illusion. I don't really know how to like parse that out exactly. Mm-hmm. because I was still in pain, but also, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I, that worked until like day day six or seven. Oh. That was the day where I got on Instagram and I was like, Guys, is it ever gonna end

Josh

I'm chronic. It's been seven days. Yeah.

Erin

Oh, but that'll,

Josh

this was the first time you, you got to see me sick for years. Yeah. So me having a week's worth of Covid, you were like, eh, I've seen Josh like this. I've seen him worse. Yeah. And then I haven't seen you like this for over 24. In 10 years. And so I was like, oh shit. Josh was worried for me. What do I do? Yeah, I know how to handle this on my side. But he

Erin

kept like, she doesn't look good. He kept saying like, should we do like a telehealth? Like, are are you actually okay? Should we get

Josh

like a baseline just in case you go more south

Erin

No, I, I knew I was safe. I just was very uncomfortable. Yeah.

Josh

But that was, that was some gnarly

Erin

shit. Yeah. I will say after that, whatever day six or seven where I was like, okay, surely I'm making a turn soon. But then I kept like, every day I'd wake up and be, feel miserable. Yeah. Still miserable. And that day I was so tired, like the fever was gone, but I was so tired I I couldn't function. Yeah. that's when I kind of got scared, like, oh no, am I, is this long covid, is this my life? Yeah. Am I gonna not be able to get out of bed ever again? But as soon as I like verbalized that and kind accepted like, all right, I've got no control over this. what I do have control over I'm doing. Right. Yeah. Like I'm, I'm nourishing my body. I'm taking all the supplements that I know to be helpful to mitigate inflammation and et cetera. But like, I don't have control over this virus. No. And the next day then is when I finally kind of took a noticeable turn Yeah. And was able to, Drive the car and pick up

Josh

groceries. the craziest thing is this is our first time having it that we know of. Yeah. We lasted three years.

Erin

Yeah. But I don't know why I feel proud of that as if it's like a

Josh

I wasn't telling people cuz I was like, I'm not jinxing this shit. Like, yeah. I'm not putting this out into the world. the craziest part though. After three years, you kind of were like, I mean we tested your antibodies. They were through the roof, so you Yeah, we figured we had

Erin

had it. We had to have had, we did, I don't know.

Josh

You for sure had to have had it. My antibodies didn't exist, so it was like, well maybe cuz I've been working so hard, it just didn't affect me. And so it kind of was like, wow, I'm one of those 0.02% that doesn't get covid. Let's go. And then you were like, I've already had Covid and I was asymptomatic. This is great. Fuck that man. We, what the heck happened?

Erin

Yeah. I think we both thought if we ever did get a full blown case, it would be not

Josh

terrible. Like, I mean, I would like to say I'm probably the healthiest I've ever been. Yeah. Inside my body. Yeah. At least. Yeah. Yeah. And so at least, what is else I was gonna say, what else is there? your brain outside my body. Well that too is pretty healthy actually. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. But I thought, oh yeah, if we were gonna get this, like, we're pretty darn strong. Yeah. First of

Erin

all. And we have an, an entire closet full of

Josh

remedies. Yeah. Things to help Yeah. We have our own pharmacy at this point, so I was like, we're. We weren't good. No, y'all. That was special. That was crazy. It humbled me, but when we did post that, we had Covid. Mm-hmm. I mean, I got so many dms of people in the same position who had ne hadn't gotten covid yet. It was their first time, and they got laid out really just like we did. So this variant is just a different kind of variant. You know, they all are. Fuck'em all. Shout out Danny Ricardo.

Erin

That's his favorite line.

Josh

F e a. So yeah, that was, that was crazy. the interesting piece for me about Covid was when Covid came to an existence, actually, fun fact, y'all, the world closed on Erin's birthday, March 13th, 2020. Yeah. Shout out is almost your birthday but it.

Erin

There went the thought

Josh

No, I thought you said pussies. Why would I have, so I had to like re, I had to like back up and be like, what did she actually say? PIs So anyways, when the world shut down, I was like going into being super sick. Yeah, so there was a lot going on. We were all stressed. I was starting to get symptoms, but it wasn't life changing yet. Then we sold our house, we moved to the lake house in Nashville, and then the world shut down, and then I got really sick. Mm. And so in my mind, there was this incredibly large fear with Covid because I thought if I get covid while I'm this sick, Vista, I'm out. Yeah. So then when I started healing, it was just as scary because I was like, my body is being put through the ringer. Mm-hmm. like going through serious therapy. Shout out Des Bio that my immune system was hauling ass. Yeah. And so to think that it hauling ass with all the things that I was doing to heal on top of Covid as Lavita like I thought I'd be done. Then when I got Covid there was no fear. It was the craziest thing. Yeah. That's how I

Erin

felt too.

Josh

It was just like, all right, let's, let's do this.

Erin

In general though, I feel like the tone of our life at that point was very, I wouldn't say we were like maybe a hundred percent we were in fight or flight, living in fear, but yeah, we were for sure in fight or flight. And now, There is kind of the tone is more like, we're gonna be all right.

Josh

We're full of abundance, baby. We are

Erin

abundance baby. Abundant mucus

Josh

Man. Don't we have the abundance of mucus Wait, so going back I didn't feel scared. Which was great, but I still underestimated how bad it was gonna be. Same, same,

Erin

But we're good. We're on the other side. Yep. It feels, it feels good to have that kind of like, huh, glad that's over Yeah.

Josh

The one large piece of not being scared was we got the tools. Yeah. It's the craziest thing. Mm-hmm. knowing that we've got the tools we need long covid, let's talk about that for a minute. What we're seeing in long Covid is just the fact that Covid is so rough on your immune system that all the opportunistic toxins that are just chilling, waiting for something like Covid to come. Keep your immune system occupied, activates.

Erin

Yeah. I mean there's specific ones I think we see a lot of like strep and herpes popp strap

Josh

herpes. A lot of Lyme and Lyme will reactivate. Yeah. Yeah. So for us, long covid,

Erin

oh, and E B V is a big one. Yes. For people with chronic fatigue after covid, like check your E B

Josh

V. Yep. So with long covid, while there are physical responses that do happen with Covid, I. omitting those inside of the conversation. But for the majority, what long Covid looks like where they can't just get back to what they were before Covid. Mm-hmm. something reactivated if it may have never reactivated, you know, like what 97% of us have E B V. Right. But the ones that have had it and have not known they've had. Those come into activation and rage. Yeah. After Covid and they're like, what I was fine before this. Yeah. So we're seeing a lot of that inside of bioenergetics.

It's,

Erin

yeah. It's just enough to tip the scales. It's always I'm outta of breath. Josh is. Sure. Okay. Breathe. We both have a few lingering

Josh

symptoms. Shortness of breath is one. It feels, Reminiscent of air hunger. Like with Babesia? Yeah. Yeah, but not fully. Babesia was like Babesia

Erin

Babesia. Every time I say it, I say it a little different. Babesia.

Josh

air hunger with Lyme felt like I could never get a full breath. Mm-hmm. Covid, shortness of breath feels like I get out of breath quicker than I should. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah. Like I could take a full breath and then I feel better. Mm-hmm. with Lyme, it was like my lungs re no matter what.

Erin

Yeah. Yeah. It has less to do with your lungs really, and more to do with your oxygen carrying molecules.

Josh

Well, great. Okay. Come on molecules. Let's roll.

Erin

Yeah, the dizziness surprised me. I still have a little bit. Yeah, you

Josh

got that one. Dizziness is if somebody was like, what's your least favorite symptom you've had in chronic illness? It's dizziness. Really? It's terrible because I feel completely outta control.

Erin

Yeah. Yeah. It felt like my brain was inflamed and so I just, or like my optic nerve or something. I have no idea, but I couldn't focus my eyes. Mm-hmm. To read on a phone, still lights out. I can't do it. Yeah. Oh, it makes me wanna barf uhhuh but it's, yeah, it's bizarre. So many things within Covid, have given me exponentially more empathy. Truly. I know I say this a lot, but to live with dizziness for more than, I mean, it's only been like 10 days or something over here, but Yep. No, that's pretty bad. Thank you. Yeah. I can see why people can't function. I'm trying to work on my computer and it's like no. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Just can't.

Josh

it's fun times. It is. Yeah. I have lot light sensitivity, lot lots of empathy. Mm-hmm. anything with your eyes? It just messes me up. Yeah. I don't like it. Yeah. Not like I like anything else, but I just feel significantly more out of control. Right. Well,

Erin

and then it causes nausea. Uhhuh, it's like this cascade

Josh

of which interestingly enough is only 30% of people so lucky us. We both get

Erin

it. The head what? With covid? With dizziness. Get nauseous. Yeah. Really? Eyes not crazy. Oh, I can't fathom being not nauseous. I know. With dizziness. Yep. Interesting. Here we are. Here we are. Yeah, we were in survival mode. The trickiest part too, like shout out to single parents. Parents of multiple children. Yeah. I don't know how y'all do

Josh

that because I was playing fetch with my kid for multiple days in a row.

Erin

She, she was like, snotty, but that was it. energy was fine. She was running

Josh

circles

Erin

around at one point, Josh walked in. I was, I mean, we were just letting her do whatever the fuck she wanted and mostly watching tv. Pretty sure we watched 10 hours of screen time every day. She came, she was doing my hair. She's like, mama, you're in the salon. I was like, okay. I was just laying there like a corpse of a person. And you were like, pretty sleep. I was asleep. Yeah. She just was putting clips in my hair and I wasn't thinking anything of it. And Josh comes back from the bathroom and he is like, Zoe, stop. And she was like half a second away from chopping my hair off with She's cutting your hair off.

Josh

Real scissors. Yep.

Erin

So that was, so that was fun. Special. I was like, when did scissors come in the room? Look, I'm not, I'm

Josh

not awake. Erin was incoherent for a few days and then I'm laying on 1 0 4. Really can't. You're tapped out as an adult. That's right. So I had this like, I don't know. She has like this worm that's elastic or something and I would pull it back and shoot it across the room and then she'd go chase it. And I was like, what am I

Erin

doing? There's a lot of good, there's a lot of good games though there. Have you ever played What's on my butt? It's a good one. I mean, I have, you've played? Yeah. Oh, great. It's a good one for sure. For the audience, you just lay there on your stomach and you tell your kids to go find an item, any item that they want, and they can put it on your butt and you have to guess what it is. And you. You get to lay there. You get to lay down. the worst though. Zoe's like my turn. I'm

Josh

like, Nope. Yeah, this is a one-sided game here. Grownups only, right? Oh man. So yeah, that was, that was a ride. It was. But thankful the tools we

Erin

have. Yes, I will for sure be sending in a scan. Interestingly, I need to do some more research on this. I think. I know it's got like a fungal component, but I have this Oh yeah. Rash. Yeah. On the inside of my.

Josh

Kind of looks like eczema

Erin

almost. It's very itchy and it's only, it was like there for a couple weeks and I was just gonna let it see what happened. Yeah. And then I got covid and it went away and I was like, interesting. This is a clue. And then now that I'm kind of resolving my covid symptoms, it's flaring back up. So I'm very curious to send in my scan and see what's rage. That's crazy. Yeah.

Josh

I won't be sending in a scan because everything I'm about to do would've come up on my skin. That's true. All your series therapies. Yeah. Yeah. Here I go y'all. I'm about to start my series therapy.

Erin

All right. Enough about covid. The people don't care that much about our covid experience. What are we talking about today? We wanna talk about, now that we've, both had the chance to take care of each other in one way or another. Mm-hmm. we wanna talk about the caretakers. We've talked a lot about the chronic leap. Sick people we have, but for every chronically ill person, there's usually a person who is, having to step up and take care of them to some degree. I hope so.

Josh

I know you're doing this alone. Come live

Erin

with us. I know. We'll adopt you. Live in our basement. I won't adopt

Josh

you, but I'll get you healthy and then you can be on your way. So one thing that I quickly realized for, you know, I mean it was like day six, and I was like, why isn't she getting better And then you were getting worse. And I was like, oh man. Like what does this mean? There is this level of helplessness that you get cuz you're like, I can't do anything more than what I'm doing now. And she's not getting better. I'm what? Imagine you felt that. Yes. The majority of the time. All the time for six years

Erin

Yeah. what do you do with that? I mean, a lot of times I would cry by myself, to be quite honest. It would come out, it would actually, sometimes it would surprise me. I remember I was on the phone once with somebody. I was just reading everything I could possibly read and learn to try to, yeah, yeah, yeah. Figure out what to do. And at some point I came across somebody selling Juice Plus, which I don't really Oh yeah. Know a whole lot about the product. I think it's good, decent. We didn. No, but she was explaining how it had helped her and yada yada, I didn't know this person at all really? Uhhuh, so we've had been in communication and she was like, come hop on a call. Like, I'll walk you through some things. And she was essentially trying to get me to buy it and also like MLM it Be a rep. Yeah. it was one of those days where I was so overwhelmed with. You were just in bad shape. Yeah. And so I get on this call and we talked for like three minutes. Again, don't know this chick. Yeah. And I just start sobbing I'm like, I dunno what to do. He's so sick. Like, I dunno. Oh no. And I never talked to her

Josh

since Yeah. I would imagine. Not She was like this, this chick was like outta my league. She's

Erin

not fit to rep this product. Yeah. So it would just surprise me sometimes. Yeah. I think I suppressed it as much as I could. Uhhuh, and then it would just like, you know, yeah. Sneak out sideways. But for sure I think it's so important to understand what you can control and what you can't. realistically, and, you gotta give yourself grace along the way for things that you didn't know or whatever wished you had known. For me, the things I could control, What we were feeding ourselves, the air we were breathing, the water we were drinking, the products we were putting on our bodies. that felt like just a place where I could start. And those were things that were mostly within my wheelhouse, as far as the responsibilities divided up in our house. Just most of those things happened to fall on me. Yeah. And I had the energy and capacity to like look into it. So we got filters for our waters and air filters, and we started eating way more whole Foods and pretty much eliminating processed foods for a period of time. so that was kind of where I started and it did help. Yeah. I mean you Yeah, it did got incrementally better. Yeah. we weren't addressing root causes necessarily, but we were at least not dumping Toxins into your bucket to compound the issue. Yeah, it's hard because the truth of the matter is a person is not gonna heal unless they are ready and they have the tools to do so. Like do you believe that? it was a group effort for sure. I mean, my mom was looking into things. I was looking into the things we were doing as much as we could, but for the most part, you took agency. Over it and I

Josh

don't know, it's kinda like what I talk about all the time with pretty much everything. I, we talked about this on the last episode. Bless you. Excuse me. I'm leaving that in there is like a chronological approach to healing. Yeah. Right. Mind, body, soul. Mm-hmm. I think that in order for me to take agency, I had to be healthy enough to have that capacity. Yeah. So I think I was so sick where that wasn't even an option where I was just like a corpse. Mm-hmm. But when I was able to heal enough to then feel like I could take control, I did. So I think there's a level for sure, there's a point inside of your illness that you can.

Erin

Yeah. I think the biggest thing for a caretaker, to be honest, and this is as far as actionable steps, like this is something easy that is just so important. It's just believe the person at the end of the day, doctors are gonna dismiss you and you're gonna feel gaslit by people left and right. And if your person, like whoever that is, whether that's a partner or just a friend or your parent, like whoever's in this with you, if you've got somebody having that person just straight up, believe you and mm-hmm. honor your experience and validate your, whatever it is you're suffering. that is really so important. Some days it's hard to do, to be quite honest. there were days where oh yeah, your discomfort was so triggering to me. I couldn't do it. I wanted to scream at you some days and be like, just feel better. just stop doing whatever you're doing. Yeah. And cuz it, I mean, if you're told by enough people that your symptoms are psychological or in your head, you start to believe that. And there's of course components of. Limbic system rewiring and things. So yes, there are some physical symptoms that are impacted by the brain, but that does not make it in your head. it's still a very real. symptom or pain or whatever it is, it doesn't make it any less physical for the person. And it also has no fault in the person like that doesn't mean it's your fault, it doesn't mean you're thinking these things into existence. It's the way that your brain has been wired and has coped with whatever, whether that's trauma or whatever. yeah, I just think it's so important. Make sure that your person knows that they are believed and Validated. I didn't always do that well, but I just think it's important. Also, just coming from my brief experience with Covid, I mean, it meant the world to me when you just like took a second to be like, oh, I'm so sorry. You know? Yeah. For. It didn't change anything. I still had a fever of 104, but at least I was like, oh, he sees me Yeah, totally. So of course that feels good. Mm-hmm.

Josh

one thing that I think helped so much was just when you were willing to listen. Where I could just vent. Yeah. And be pissed and annoyed and let all my guards down and just be angry about it or whatever. And you would just sit there and not absorb it onto yourself, but just let me vent was huge. And in order to do that, it goes back to you having to believe that it's actually legit. Yeah. But. Feeling safe enough to vent is huge. Mm-hmm.

Erin

that was hard cuz it, again, it triggered me for sure. I remember my kind of like underlying shadow belief or negative self-thought that often comes up for me is it's my fault. Yeah. And so I had to really work on not absorbing this all as being my fault that I couldn't fix

Josh

you. I don't know. Totally. The other point to that is, The caretaker is always going to be the closest to the situation, so no matter who else I talked to, they weren't seeing the ins and outs of this illness. to be able to talk to you about it or touch base or whatever, kept me sane because I knew you were seeing it too. Yeah. When you go and talk to somebody else who doesn't live with you or isn't a part of the journey, not because they don't want to, because they can, Just because they're not with you 24 7. There's a disconnect inside of the conversation. People will inevitably have a little bit, not less empathy, but less connection to it. So it's like, oh, I'm so sorry, or that sucks. Like I hate that you're going through that. That's great, but I need somebody to. Know what I'm talking about. Mm-hmm. and that helped a ton when I was able to do that.

Erin

Yeah. One thing I wish I had done more is ask more thoughtful questions. It just took everything in me to not be triggered every time you were talking about your symptoms. Yeah, it would make me physically just like irritable, aggravated. I don't know. That was just my response to it all. Yeah. yeah, I wish I would have known and I wish I would have been more healed myself, which, everything happened in perfect timing. I know that I did, but I had a lot of things that were not worked out and still do. To be able to just ask you like, Hey, what's hurting today? Or like Sure. What's flaring today? Mm-hmm. So that you would feel free to emote. Yeah. And vent. Cuz probably if I had to guess, a lot of times you would vent and would probably feel the energy of me, like the aggravation.

Josh

Yeah. But that then plays into caretakers, need caretakers too. Yeah. Or else you're gonna drown. And that's not helpful either.

Erin

Yeah. I do think your illness and symptoms were a really convenient excuse for me to not to do any of the inner work. I mean, there's just reality. we weren't Do intense E M D R and like all these things at the same time. Sure. Like we had a small child, we had no family near us. We both were working close to full-time jobs. there just wasn't a reality for us at the time. Would I have prioritized it more looking back? Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think I would've been a way better support system to you if I had put my own oxygen mask on as well. I think for a lot of people the hardest thing to do is, Most people that are experiencing any element of like brain fog, fatigue, those like low energy symptoms, it's really hard to nourish yourself and feed yourself. Yeah. So I don't know, I, if you've got the means to get quality, organic, whatever, pre-made things delivered to you or something, go for it. If you don't, and you have a partner who's capable of that, like that's a. Thing to provide for a person. because it's so foundational. It's like you're not gonna heal if you are not consuming nutrient dense, mineral rich. These things that our bodies need for all the biochemical, that's foundational reaction. Yeah.

Josh

That's a good one.

Erin

do you have anything to say about the balance of listening and validating and believing as opposed to. It's, I mean it's a delicate balance, but how do you do that without feeding the pain body that we talked about Yeah. Last week and encouraging this, like wallowing it, that can happen so

Josh

easily. Totally. A lot of, I think the times that I would needed to talk to you were more. Validation or recognition that I, this is real. Mm-hmm. I think if I went too long in it myself, sometimes I'd be like, am I just insane? Mm-hmm. Everyone else is telling me I'm in. like, it's all in my head. Mm-hmm. So after a couple days of being in bed and not being able to get up, I need to be like, you're seeing this too, right? I'm not totally crazy. Right. Yeah. And I think towards the end, right before we found bioenergetics, when we would talk about things, it was definitely more open and. it felt like there's something different about it, I would touch base with you and be like, ah, I got these symptoms. And you're like, I know, I've seen like you've been acting like this recently. And I'd be like, okay, sweet. Mm. It's not just in my head. Was huge. a big piece of me beginning to. Recognize that this wasn't in my head. Mm-hmm. because I think for the first couple years that's all I got.

Erin

Yeah. Like this is just stress Yeah. Which stress your heart. Absolutely. A hundred percent a part of it.

Josh

I mean, I think it was my tipping point. Yeah. For sure. But there was a lot more going on Yeah. Than just eliminates stress. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's a tough balance now that I'm thinking back on it.

Erin

It is because it's just so tempting to wanna like get sucked in by that current of whatever that feeling is. Yeah. Like wallowing is the best word I can think of. Where you're just completely overcome by. Negativity. Because your body feels like it's full of negativity

Josh

for sure. I think it was really, really difficult when we didn't have points of identification of what was going on. Mm-hmm. Once I was able to, once like Lyme popped up on my scan or the co-infections, mold strep, E B V I was able to then find communities that then supported me. Yeah. So, I mean, there's a bunch of Lyme communities out there that would do. Zoom conferences with Lymies and then they would have all other meetings for the caretakers once I was able to start to get connected into that, I didn't need as much. Validation from you, or even just to be a sounding board for me to vent. I was able to be a of a community that also was going through it, and then you start following people on Instagram and you start to see that you're not alone in this journey. I think that helped a ton. So the sooner both people, the caretaker and the one that is chronically ill, can integrate themselves into the communities that are going to help them. I think less of me sitting in my sickness existed. Yeah. There's an acknowledgement that has to happen of like, okay, finally we have some answers. Mm-hmm. like, it's Lyme, but Lyme doesn't serve me. Yeah. Let's get rid of it. Yeah. this isn't who I am or who I want to be. don't need this to stick around, for me to thrive. So get the hell on outta here,

Erin

The other, I think really just key role of a support person. In this journey is to advocate and be the eyes and the ears for the person because I mean, how many doctor's appointments did we go to? And you couldn't have remembered what anybody said. Even a consult, like once we got our first bioresonance scan results and we were going over it with somebody, The brain fog is so thick. Yeah. Like you're not gonna remember. No.

Josh

That is something I caretakers to do. Yeah. Is with all of the Ruti scans. Mm. Anybody that's reasonably sick, caretakers. Hop on, tap in, hop on. Yeah. It like more the barrier? Yeah. On the call for sure. it's a zoom link that we're gonna send you send it to whoever you wanna send it to. Mm-hmm. like whoever wants to be on that call. Great. we used to voice memo it mm-hmm. so I could like go back to it, but, It would be so overwhelming listening to all of the information that goes back. Yeah, it's a lot of information multiple clients recently who are really, really. We'll go through the results, consult and then won't buy remedies. Mm-hmm. And we'll reach out to them and talk to them about it, like any questions or whatever. And it's not cuz they don't wanna buy remedies, it's because their brains are gone. Yeah. They're like, it's just like one extra thing. It's overwhelming to them, you know? Which is how it was for me too, if I didn't have you literally going through this with me and I knew that you. To take some responsibility on to help me do these remedies. I wouldn't have ordered'em either. Mm-hmm. So that's a huge piece the caretaker of, being able to recall a lot of the information that you say on the consults. That's big. Yeah.

Erin

So that's the, be the eyes and ears for the person. But as far as advocating goes, like if you're going to any sort of a conventional primary care, whoever, you're gonna have to stick up for the person because they're gonna. Just I rolled or dismissed again and again. So I don't know how many times I had to be like, no, we're not just calling this depression. Like draw more labs, Yeah. You know, like, figure this out. Yeah. So I mean, you just didn't have the energy to do that. You're also just kind of a, like docile, a friendly guy. Uhhuh, So for you to get like feisty. Yeah, that it's such an interest. Neither of us are very feisty, really. But when

Josh

it came to my aing comes out in business. Mm-hmm. but not when it has to do with

Erin

personal life. Yeah. I remember seeing our primary care doctor, it was maybe the second visit and he essentially said like, I think you just need Prozac. And you were kind of like, okay. And I was like, hold up. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Like we're getting some more labs here. This is not making sense. And then we kind of like got into it, which for me

Josh

doesn't no happen very often. You don't have an eight wing?

Erin

I don't, no. I'm very go with the flow kind of a girl. not that day. I know The only other thing I can think of would be, first of all, anytime you get sick, let it be an opportunity to build empathy, because for real, that can be so helpful to just. Have somewhat of an understanding of what somebody's going through. Yeah. And just ask the person like, what do you need today or this week what can I contribute to your healing? You know, I need to prioritize meditation in the morning. can you do the kid morning stuff and I'll work What? Like, whatever it's, yeah. I think a lot of people probably more than realize, know what they need, deep down. We just aren't tuned in.

Josh

Oh yeah. And we don't ask for things very

Erin

often. No. As a student it's hard. It's really hard to be vulnerable and ask for help. Yeah. Or even not even ask for help, but just receive it when it's offered. it feels hard for sure.

Josh

Yeah. that's definitely a muscle that needs to be trained. Mm-hmm. in our society at least. For the caretaker and the chronically ill person. The caretaker asks, what do you need? A lot of times I'd be like, the caretaker, a k Erin, I would ask, what do I need? I wouldn't even know what to ask. One, I didn't wanna be a bother. I didn't want to, have you pour more wa more weight. There was like a guilt on me you to do something else, and then it was incredibly difficult to even identify what would be helpful. Yeah, start small. Yeah, just

Erin

little things like if you could just make me a smoothie every morning that's nutrient dense. I

Josh

could slam a smoothie right now.

Erin

Oh, don't make me laugh.

Josh

That's a good one. It is incredibly helpful for whoever you're on this journey with. For them to also do things with you though, like eating right or taking supplements whatever. Hey, I'm gonna do meditation. You're like, sweet. I'm gonna do meditation too. Even if we weren't doing it together, if you weren't eating. And I had to, or if I had to practice mindfulness or prioritize peace and you wanted nothing to do with any of that, I would not be where I am right

Erin

now. Yeah, I mean, there is, you have to, again, like we talked about, you have to be able to define what's for you, like what's yours. And what's your responsibility? Yeah. And sometimes people aren't going to change with you and For sure. That's tricky. Really tricky. Especially if you're living in the same home. The diet thing, that's tough. Like if somebody has to eat a specific way and the other person's just not on board. So some of that is, a love gift for your person. It's a big old sacrifice. it's not really because it's all these things that are only gonna benefit you. It's just that you have to choose it. if it's some sort of a checking the box to help your other, your person heal. Yeah. I don't know. But what if this is an opportunity for you to like completely level up your whole And you don't even have to feel sick like your partner is, you know? Yeah, for sure. that's kinda what happened for me. Yeah. I mean, I had my own whatever, internal struggles. Mine just didn't present so much in a physical fashion, but like your experience The shifts that we made in our life, they were genuinely, like, they leveled up my whole life. the spiritual journey that we've been on the. Investing in our mental health, going to therapy, doing emdr, like things I never really would have looked into or thought that I quote needed. Mm-hmm. what an enormous gift that you gave me and I got to watch you do it first. Yeah. And kind of like, cuz that's my personality anyway. Like, let's just tote it. The Yeah. And I watched it heal you. Yeah. From the inside out Rather than it feeling like a, oh my God, like now I gotta eat vegetables or whatever. It's like, okay, I get to level up my whole life and help my person heal. It's all perspective. I mean, everything's perspective. We talk about that all the time. Something can be a disaster or it can be an opportunity. Yeah. Like you get to choose that really at the end of the day. And it can be both. There's room for both. It can be a disaster and it can be an opportunity. Oh yeah. But perspective is powerful

Josh

Agreed.

Erin

Probably the best thing you can do for your, I keep saying partner. That's just obviously our relationship, but whether it's a parent or a child or a friend or whoever, the best thing you can do for all of your people is heal yourself. At the end of the day. leveling up your life, whether that's what you're eating, what you're consuming as far as. news or media or whatever. Yeah. But if you are doing all these things to heal yourself, Whether that's physical, mental, emotional, spiritual, all the above, preferably all the above, right? Because we are all connected, this is on an energy level. Separation is an illusion, like we're all connected. Yeah. My thoughts impact the world. That feels weighty, but it's also. I don't know. It's just cool to me. But what that means is that me healing myself, me eating whole foods that are nourishing my body, me working on mindfulness, meditation, breath work, yoga, whatever it is I'm doing lifestyle stuff, saunas moving my body, that is, healing myself. It's also healing the world for sure. On an energetic level. Anyway, so what I'm saying is the best thing that you can do to help your partner heal is to just heal yourself because that energy is gonna be contagious. they're either gonna watch you heal and feel better and live your best life and be like, shit, I want that. Or just being in proximity to that is gonna naturally make it easier to,

Josh

there's a motivation. Yeah. For. when you're chronically ill, it's not like you can be like, I want that Yeah. No shit. I want that That's true. it definitely motivates, encourages, and enables me to do it too. Mm-hmm. This is good.

Erin

Look at us. Is it good? I don't know. I feel like my brain's underwater. I hope it's good.

Josh

Y'all, if this sucked, just move on by. Forgive us. Forgive us. We got the vid

Erin

But here we are yet.

Josh

Well guys, this was a rowdy time.

Erin

Yeah, sorry that our energy levels were not quite as here we are high as normal. Maybe next week is gonna be

Josh

next week. We're gonna be high on life.

Erin

We still are high on life. We just also have Covid.

Josh

it's good talking to you babes. I missed you. Love you. It's good to have you back a little bit. Yeah. I love you too. You're welcome. And we love you. We do Moms hoa. Love you, mom. Bye. Bye.