Erin

Hi

Josh

everybody. What a do baby boo for the fifth time.

Erin

Oh, you know, sometimes it just takes a minute to get your engine warmed up. Vroom, vroom. Rev it up baby. You rev me up.

Josh

Thank you.

Erin

I don't know what that means, but I don't watch enough F1 for that. Sorry, beeping. How you doing? That's what F1 sounds like. Woo.

Josh

We've

Erin

tried to start this podcast so many times. Oh my gosh. And now this time for real. That one's

Josh

happening. Here we go. I'm leaving it in whether we suck or not. Okay, great. What's up with you? Chilling. How you doing? Great. What's up with you

Erin

Vanilla face. What? For real. How are you? What? I just asked you the question. I

Josh

know. I'm deflecting You don't have a, you don't have an answer. You don't know how you are.

Erin

No, I feel good. Tap in, babe. Tap, tap. Tap in. I feel good. I feel like we have finally fully, dare I say, fully rebounded from the vid.

Josh

I didn't rebound. I've recovered. Yeah. Fully.

Erin

Fully. Yeah. I mean, I still wake up with a little bit of Yeah. Phlegm, but you know, such as life. Such as life. But I feel like from a life perspective, we're no longer like, crawling out of the hole. we are back on solid ground.

Josh

Yeah. A couple days ago I felt like I took a turn. Yeah. I was like, whoa. I could breathe out on my nose. Check, check. I don't feel like I need to go take a nap every three hours. Check. Check.

Erin

It's a great place to be, babe. Mm-hmm. It is. Yeah.

Josh

What else is new? I feel like we actually haven't caught up in a minute. I

Erin

know. What is new? Is that my birthday is coming out. Sure. Is

Josh

Pisces.

Erin

Pisces

Josh

for anyone that listened to the last episode, surprise. I didn't get a text from my mom being like,

Erin

Joshy. Yeah. For, for real.. Okay, so my birthday's coming up. We're gonna Nashville soon. It is literally spring in Columbus and it's the first week of March. Like, what the heck? The daffodils are fully out. They're, I can't get over it. Yeah,

Josh

they've gone topless.

Erin

They what? Oh, they're exposed. Yeah, their blossoms and bosoms are out. You started it.

Josh

I didn't ask you to continue last night we were watching a show and Erin went on this tangent.

Erin

Excuse me. Tangent. where are you from?

Josh

I dunno. That was really weird. Tell me about my tangent. A tangent. I felt like total wolf there for a minute. Oh you just kept going with something Oh yeah. I don't know. I don't even know what it was, but I just chose not to respond and she kept going.

Erin

Yeah. That won't be funny for anyone that wasn't there. Sorry babe. That's one of those had to be there moments. Tell me something that's lighting you up this week.

Josh

The freaking sun. Hallelujah. We're hitting a full moon this morning.

Erin

Oh yeah. And I had Moon and Virgo. I had zero anxiety this week. Well, it doesn't always

Josh

have to be anxiety. I know, but I really you, you could just be loco. You could have an upset tummy. That's true. Shivers down your spine. feeling chaos in your brain.

Erin

You do all those things to me. I know But I do feel like

Josh

historically I feel like there was an increase in energy. I told you that this morning. But yeah. Telling everyone

Erin

else within your body or within, within everything the realm. Yeah. Josh is very energy sensitive. I wish I was more, I

Josh

am more so coming from my human design. I am meant to feel the

Erin

energy. Yeah. We've gotten real into human design recently. Yeah. It's kind of blowing our mind. Mm-hmm.

Josh

it's something that got really into it. Mm-hmm. It's like the astrological

Erin

engram, uhhuh, Except it's more than just personality. There is personality components to it, but it goes deeper than that. It's spot

Josh

on. Yeah. Scary. It's been helpful, like in the professional realm for me. Mm-hmm. But There was an aha moment over the weekend when we were digging into it that I, you know, I feel energy and I'm super in tune with it, which I am.

Erin

Have you always been like that or has it been a recent

Josh

discovery? I think in the past six months, maybe I've had this leap into it where now I can feel it like I've never felt it before. Mm-hmm. even right before the podcast, I felt it shift

Erin

my energy. Mm-hmm.

Josh

our energy. Yeah. I just chose not to say it cuz I didn't wanna ruin the podcast but I was getting everything ready y'all. It takes me like 45 minutes to set this up. 45 minutes

Erin

to get

Josh

all dressed and so I have like been getting in the mood for the podcast, but then you sat down and there were a couple things and I was like, Ooh, I felt a vibe shift. Really?

Erin

Yep. I feel like I'm in a great mood today. You're in a great

Josh

mood. What? I just felt

Erin

a shift. That's so fascinating. Yeah. Interesting.

Josh

Mm-hmm. I'm not trying to like call anybody's energy out. Yeah. I just feel it. I feel shifts and it talks about a ton is that even though you feel energy shift doesn't necessarily mean it's negative or positive.

Erin

Yeah. I remember her saying like, you can't discern necessarily good or bad. Totally. Or like judge people on their energy necessarily. That's not the point,

Josh

but No, no, no, not at all. I, that's not what I did when I felt it. No, no. I just completely noticed it. Yeah. The difference inside of feeling that energy versus just assuming a different intention from a person is that that happens all in my brain where I start to like, feel my insecurities start to come up and I'm like, oh, are they, thinking this or thinking that this happens legit in my heart and throat chakra. That's crazy. Kind of like a heart pelp makes you all of a sudden think about your heart. Yeah. I get a feeling in my chest where I feel it not be what it was. That's fascinating. And I'd be like, what's that?

Erin

Wow. Mm-hmm. if I had all the time in the world, I just wanna learn everything. Like you're talking about it and I'm like, that fits your human design. It does. you're talking, I'm like, okay, I wanna be a reiki master and I want to like mm-hmm. there's just so much. Yeah. To us. Yeah. It's so fascinating to me.

Josh

It's been fun to be more in tune with the identifying of energy. Mm-hmm. now that I know that that is a part of me, and now it's even more confirmed with like the human design and things like that. I I'm able to receive it on a different level. Than what I used to think energy felt like. You know, you walk into a room and it's like, oh, this is a bad vibe. Mm-hmm. everyone knows what that feeling's like. Cuz your conscious is constantly bouncing into the quantum field around you. You know, six to eight times a second and so is everyone else's in the room. You're gonna feel that shift. Mm-hmm. But this is something even different than that. I can absorb the energy that I want. Yeah.

Erin

Which is really cool. That is cool. Mm-hmm. do you feel you have any element of psychic abilities? I need to know this. No,

Josh

I know. Wouldn't that be sweet? It would be. Yeah. Definitely a new thing to navigate. Yeah, for sure. Because I feel it now more than ever.

Erin

Yeah. I imagine it could feel a little bit weighty sometimes, or like Yeah, it's honestly

Josh

too much. Really interesting. The best way I can describe the feeling that I get is like, almost like slight butterflies. Okay. Or

Erin

dread. Dread. Oh, fascinating. Mm-hmm.

Josh

How are you

Erin

doing? I am good. I am also feeling very validated by my human design. Yeah, it was awesome. Yeah. Reading how my, omniscient educator or something is like my personality. essentially I just am voraciously hungry for knowledge and information kind of my purpose is to disseminate that in a digestible fashion to people. Mm-hmm. which feels like exactly what I do at reading what you do. it's tricky for me because sometimes I want to know everything before I start, if that makes sense. Yeah. It's kind of my security to feel like I know, yes, it all. Mm-hmm. Part of that is protective, I guess, I'm very conscious of not wanting to disseminate false information big time, and sometimes that keeps me frozen or keeps me from doing this work that I really care about. So I'm trying to work through that, like what does it look like to be informed enough, enough, you know? Mm-hmm. like yeah, without stalling and keeping me from doing the work. But It's just a tricky balance. Yeah. And actually what, what I wanted to talk about today is kind of tricky balance between being informed and being in fear from a health perspective. I think we're, a lot of these health and wellness spaces and following all the people on Instagram and whatever, and there's definitely been seasons in our life and through your journey with chronic illness where we have crossed the threshold of being informed and into being in fear. Mm-hmm. So I wanna talk a little bit about that today cuz I think a lot of people that are either new to this arena, just starting to kind of dip their toes in the holistic health space or whatever or they're sick and they're just, grasping for answers, it can be really easy to go beyond information and into a fear response. So, Does that feel true for you? Like, do you. Feel like that happened for you along

Josh

the way? Yeah. You have to go down your rabbit holes. Mm-hmm. regardless. you follow all the people that are resonating with you. And then, there's some accounts that stay away from that. And then there's other counts that I'll dive into that. And I think there's a healthy dose of it that is needed to kind of recognize reality. It's kind of like, taking the blinders off your eyes a little bit. Yeah. Of like, oh shit. the difficult piece about it is you start to identify all of that inside of your life, which can be incredibly overwhelming. I mean, we were even just talking, I can't dedicate 30 to 45 minutes for every single healthy thing I need to do on a daily basis. Yeah. Like I was even just talking about like, water picking.

Erin

yeah. Josh from his history with Lyme during that time when he was really sick, developed so many cavities. Yeah. Issues with fear. Yeah. It was a fun time. Fear, oral health. So we've been trying to, combat that now. And one of the things that is recommended by our holistic or biological dentist was water picking with Ozone needed water. And we did it for a while, but it's like a,

Josh

chore. Yeah. It takes forever. I mean, it's 15 to 20 minutes to ozone water, and then you only have 15 to 20 minutes to use that water. Yeah. You can't like, make

Erin

a big batch of ozone

Josh

water. Right. So if you forget about it, you gotta start all over again. it just takes time. It's messy. Yeah. A sauna, you're in there for 30 minutes, then you're drenched. And disgusting. And smelly. You gotta take a 15 minute shower. I mean, I don't, I'll just like, As fast as possible. Yeah. Cuz I'm so annoyed that it takes this long. there's a lot of time consumption that exists inside of this. Mm-hmm. So you have to find your balance of what really resonates with you. And then what is just fear mongering and causing you to hyper focus on things that may not serve you well anyways.

Erin

Yeah. for me at least, kind of my gauge or barometer for like what is just educating me, what's informing me, what's helping me to make better decisions in my life and what feels like fear. Yeah. When I consume it. And to be fair, it's not always content creator, sometimes it is. Oh, no, no, no. But I think a lot of it is how we ingest the information. Mm-hmm. and whether or not we're ready, But just because an influencer or a health and wellness person informing the world that whatever seed oils are inflammatory almost always some degree of backlash from people who are listening and, and saying like, this is fear mongering. Like, let me eat my seed oils or whatever. Yeah. it's like, no, that's kind of on you to, manage your response to that. Like totally take it or leave it,

Josh

There, I mean, it's, the beauty of technology and the lethal weapon of technology is that you have access to all of this all the time now. Yes. And with the evolution of technology, even with AI coming out and things like that, the ability to recognize good and bad is more evident now than ever. and it does feel like there is this level of awakening where people are starting to wake up and recognize that like, oh shit, this is bad for me. For sure. I mean, it started with food coloring dyes, and now we're talking about like crazy stuff that's in, Forever plastics and things like that. Mm-hmm. that information is good. We're in a organized awareness or organized awakening that is calling out these large industries Yep. And being like, what the fuck are you doing?

Erin

Yeah. Stop poisoning our water, please.

Josh

Yeah. Exactly. Stuff like that. But you have to take what is enough for you. Yeah. And do your best you can. Mm-hmm. and move on from it. how social media works all the way down to the subconscious, the algorithms and everything like that, as soon as something's hot, you're just gonna start seeing it over and over and over. And you need to recognize when you need to detach yourself from the information COVID was a great example of that. Covid came out, divided everything. Mm-hmm. people were talking about vaccines. No vaccines, what's in the vaccine. Mm-hmm. what the vaccine's gonna do with you. You have to detach yourself a little bit and start to be like, what is good for me? Mm-hmm. I appreciate all the information that exists out there, but what is going to bring me peace? Yeah. And that's what we support.

Erin

Yeah. And if I've learned anything from human design, it's that genuinely there is no one size fits all. No. Like you can for anything. No. Even one fascinating thing that I was learning about my like digestive type or whatever mm-hmm. which I wanna explore this more, but for me, simple and kind of separate food, I guess. my body does best with simple, like a few things within a meal. Yeah. So, I've been preaching, like diversity is key. Like you've gotta have 25 ingredients in every salad or whatever. I don't necessarily think that's true, but generally diversity in a diet I would've thought is best for everyone. Yeah. But that may not even be true all the time. So just understanding that what's best for you really may not be best for everybody. And holding space for that I think is really helpful and important. But yeah, like you said, social media is, an engine. I mean, we say that all the time, like, we gotta feed the beast today, that's really how it feels sometimes. Yeah. the things that pop off and the things that get more views and get more likes and all these things often are inflammatory. they're concepts or things that feel. Fearful that make you feel afraid. It's

Josh

controversial is what makes it go right. I mean, an example is Erin has this video on Facebook that randomly just popped off. It's got like over a million views. Oh yeah. The about cold plunging it wasn't popping off. And then one lady commented this could kill you And then all of a sudden these random people outta nowhere started defending Erin And then it turned into this whole debate in comments that you had nothing to do with. I didn't. And it popped off. Yeah. I mean that's how the algorithm works. Mm-hmm. it

Erin

fuels division of 10,000 person. It's like how can we pit people against each other? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because that causes the interaction, like the rub, the, yeah. So

Josh

just be that and that the content creation odds are so high that while some are. Attempting to cause conflict most aren't. Mm-hmm. I actually heard there's this one guy who builds 3D objects for random useless purposes, Uhhuh And he built a tic-tac holder that wouldn't make it shake. So it held each individual Tic-tac Okay. And it was 18 on one side and 18 on the other. And he said it fits 32 Tic Tacs. On purpose. Oh. And the comments. it is his most viewed video. Oh my gosh. Everyone was like 36 and he intentionally said 32. Wow. To cause the comments to blow up in an attempt to test. Yep. That if he does one thing, so now he will put those in his videos. Mm-hmm. where he like says one thing wrong, like. says something 32 instead of 36, and they just keep popping off. That's wild.

Erin

that just, it kind of makes me mad a little bit because it's like we're all being mind fucked, all the, all the time day. Like, unless you are completely off on social media, is peak manipulation inside of this all aggravating? Yeah. Especially when our goal, like you and I now are in this space. I just want love. Yeah. Like that's my goal. Mm-hmm. I don't like, I think we're trying to accomplish that through the different business avenues, but it's just so frustrating that there's these enormous things Yeah. That are set and pretty much functioning off of our division and hate. Mm-hmm.

Josh

what I've found to be a really great approach in my life and then how I'm talking to others is recognizing that I don't know everything. Yeah. And. Being open-minded enough mm-hmm. to receive anything that serves me well. Mm-hmm. but not living in this state of fear of one, the things that I don't know. And then two, when I do receive any information, mulling over it too much. Yeah. So I've had a decent amount of conversations this past week. People are just not feeling good and they're asking me for direction and I can give them tools, but like, I don't know what direction you need. Yep. So I think what needs to start happening across the board, just personal opinion, is that like we need to back off the know-it-all phase that's what functional medicine turned into a little bit. Mm-hmm. it had to puff its chest out and kind of buck a little bit. Well it is because of westernized

Erin

medicine. Exactly. It's, it's up against pharma and like these, a lot of huge

Josh

power, a lot of power and money. Yep. But I think we're at a shift now where enough people are recognizing that I was even just talking to somebody this past week who is incredibly influential and the conversation was about how Bio Energetics is starting to become a little bit more mainstream. Mm-hmm. where people are starting to recognize that word over and over and over. Mm-hmm. people are gonna come to it when they see it serves them well. My job is essentially just to be here with open arms, kind of just like, Hey, whatever you're going through, you're accepted, you're acknowledged, you're honored. Mm-hmm. and here's what worked for me. Right. that's all I can do.

Erin

That's so true. I didn't really think of that in the, because that is one of my, I guess pet peeves you could say about A lot of these circles that we're in, the wellness influencers and whatever, they often come off aggressive or like or victimized. Yeah. By, and I get it, there's a lot of kind of things that are against us mm-hmm. in some ways. I don't know. I just, I feel really convicted to do that differently. Yeah. It's just

Josh

not the energy I wanna serve up. Yeah. That's all. Yeah. There's enough of that out there. Mm-hmm. and people are just struggling. Left learn. I mean, we have our own struggles, everyone else does too. why can't we just be a place of positive energy and Yeah. Ha set those intentions.

Erin

I've definitely had this experience again and again where I learned something new. For instance, when we learned a while back that reverse osmosis, although it is, amazingly clean and much better than tap water. Like it is lacking in some ways, it with minerals. Yeah. Well you definitely need to replace the minerals that the RO is removing. But even like this concept of structured water and all these other things that I've just been, picking. Little pearls along the way. Mm-hmm. it's really tempting to feel like, holy shit. I've been making so many mistakes along the way, like, how didn't I know that? And yeah. You know, to feel kind of frustrated every time you pick up a new piece of information, but mm-hmm. I've been trying recently to be way more conscious about every time I learn something new, to just be committed to like, when I know better, I'm gonna do better and I'm not gonna hold myself to some, unrealistic standard of, knowing it all right now. Or especially in the past. I don't know. It just, it's not helpful, you know, when we look back and think about all the mistakes that we've made with your health Yeah. Along the way. It's just not helpful. we can't change those things and we did the best that we could do with what we

Josh

Yeah. I have two thoughts about that. One, I think there's a select few that thrive in a biohacking approach.

Erin

Yeah. That's not

Josh

everybody's cup of tea. The majority of people, that's not their cup of tea. Right. That's one. I think that I'm super grateful for the ones that do biohack cuz they're starting to find information out, but also it's bio-individual and so what they're biohacking may not serve you two. with this whole idea of human design and relating it to literally everything else. The whole goal is to find your balance. Yeah. The whole goal. You say homeostasis. This whole idea of finding where you thrive and you're in your greatest flow doesn't just include. Your insides, your body is working incredibly hard on a daily basis, but give it its best chance in every way of life. Mm-hmm. for example, like professionally with me, it's talking about how there's certain ways that I'm gonna thrive and the universe is telling me this constantly. And when I'm not in my flow, the universe is going to kindly remind me by either taking money away or making it really difficult or whatever. And then when I'm in what I'm supposed to be doing, it's gonna be super easy. That directly affects my wellbeing. Mm-hmm. because when I'm not in flow, I'm incredibly frustrated, I'm stressed, I'm not energized, I'm constantly thinking about it. But when I'm in flow, I genuinely feel I'm. It's easy. literally things come with ease. I'm creative. I'm not thinking about it constantly. There's practically no stress. There's something that came up with Ruti yesterday with taxes in my other company's taxes will just throw me for a loop. Yesterday, Laura and I were on a call for like an hour, hour and a half or whatever. I felt no frustration, no resistance. I wasn't even annoyed with the system. Yeah. I will be annoyed with the system when it comes to my other businesses. Yeah. I'll be like, oh, this is so dumb that you have to pay tax on something you've already been taxed for. I'll just get so annoyed with Ruti That didn't happen yesterday. Fascinating. And so all of those things directly impact everything else too. Mm-hmm. So when you're in your greatest. Trust those intuitions and do what serves you well, water may be something that's super important to us, and we may choose to do that. That doesn't mean it has to be yours. You could be really focused on detoxification or whatever. I look around at the people that are thriving in the health space mm mm-hmm. who are incredibly aware and have been able to recognize their own bio-individual deficiencies and hurdles and everything like that. They aren't O C D or consumed with how they need to do it.

Erin

What I have noticed just working with people through Ruti, is I feel like there's two types of people, and actually you and I are the two different types. Mm-hmm. to some degree, less so than we used to be, but I was about to say, I feel like I've changed a lot, a hundred percent. Mm-hmm. But there are the, like you were saying, type A. super rigid regimen. Yes. Consumed by I have to do it all to heal. And then there's the type, which is more, my tendency is to cover our eyes, cover our ears, and go, la, la, la, la, la. Like nothing is happening here. I don't wanna change my life. Mm-hmm. And so both are unhealthy. Both are not in balance. And I think we need to like meet somewhere in the middle. Whereas I can be informed, I can learn something about my water source, like, oh, I'm maybe drinking heavy metals, whatever. if I'm drinking tap water, for sure, I'm drinking heavy metals. Yes. and that's relatively easy thing that I can alter in my life. Yeah. That doesn't have to make me feel consumed in fear. It actually should feel empowering, right? Like, oh, I can make this shift in my life and I can make a big difference. But on either side of the spectrum there, if we're like obsessively controlling every little detail of our life, and I mean, there's no living perfectly. I don't care what you're doing, you're never gonna achieve perfection. Or if you are pleading ignorance and you know, trying to just avoid the fact that there are real things that are impacting your health, that's not gonna get you anywhere either. So, right. Yeah. I think the key is really finding that sweet spot in the middle where you're informed you are, acknowledging but you're also still living in balance and freedom. All things in moderation

Josh

when you're super sick though, there's a different level of prioritization that has to happen. So that's a lot of, obviously what I'm talking about inside of this too, is when you're super sick, you're like, holy shit, I need to change everything. And obviously when you're super sick, it is your number one prioritization. What does naval say? Like, when you're healthy there's a hundred things wrong, and when you're sick there's only one thing you care about or whatever. Yeah. I don't know the saying, it's true. When you're super sick, literally the rest of life doesn't matter. Yeah. Your number one goal is to feel better and you're willing to do literally anything to get there. with. Chronic illness in general For me personally. Like with the personality that you were talking about. Part of me getting into chronic illness was because of that personality. Yeah. I had such a tight grip on everything. I was balls of the wall with literally everything I did. People would call me a workhorse cuz I would just grind and sleep when you're dead. Yep. So there was a level of that personality that got me there. Mm-hmm. But there also was a level of that personality that got me out of there. Yeah. Now that I am out of it though. And with that breath work session, I had that hallucination and. I saw myself loosen my grip. Yeah. On pretty much all of life and once I was able to do that is when I started to feel the energy more. Yeah. Is when I started to feel my intuition and I started to trust myself a lot more and I felt like I was receiving instead of chasing so many things happened when I loosened my grip, but I think I had to have some sort of rigid routine. Mm-hmm. to get me to a place where I felt like I could loosen my grip. Where I think the balance needs to happen though is kind of pick your priorities a little bit because there is that teeter totter effect that if you put too much on the other side that you were relying on mm-hmm. it's just causing you to do the same spiral that got you to chronic illness in the first

Erin

place. That's so true. It's a pattern for sure. You get kind of stuck on this hamster wheel of healing. Because you're never really addressing. Yeah. There's for sure pathogens involved and, gut health and all these other things that are contributing, but yeah. What got you there Exactly. Vulnerable in the first place.

Josh

Yeah. That's kind of one of the big things that we're working on in Ruti right now is I know we're a bio energetic company, and that's our primary focus, but the ultimate goal with Ruti is to build a lifestyle that encourages a holistic, healthy living. And that's including breath work and meditation and just being present and spirituality, just recognizing that all of this exists inside of healing and utilizing bioenergetics as a tool, but, We want people to be able to come to us and us help them through all of that. Mm-hmm. and recognize that each person's gonna be individually unique and that what got you here is probably also unique. Mm-hmm. And let's work through it. So yeah. We have a lot of just Ruti Plug, we have so much coming. It's crazy. I'm so amped about it. That's really exciting. We have a brand new site coming out. Mm-hmm like y'all. It's beautiful. Yep. We're gonna win some awards on this site. Not even joking. So Peak, the agency company that I own with Laura, we build and design websites and. Ruti, this one that we're launching is probably one of the biggest sites that we've ever built and launched. The customizations are crazy. We just launched a backend app. So all of your results are now in a crazy flow, and we've got new packaging coming out. It looks beautiful. There's a lot of good stuff coming.

Erin

Yeah. It's exciting to be a small business with an entire design and development agency. An entire

Josh

agency behind it. Yeah.

Erin

I mean, who has that? Nobody, like, it's so fun. No, it's, and I just coming from, I have no involvement really in web. Mm-hmm. anything. But watching you guys work on Ruti is so fun. Yeah. Because I've, well, it's a blast. I've seen you work on other things. Yeah. And the energy. it's just so different, everybody is mm-hmm. vibing. Yeah. It's

Josh

fun. Oh, it's so easy. Yeah. I mean, the designs are crazy. Shout out design team because Yeah. We've been crushing Hustling. Yeah. And now devs gonna be hustling too. Mm-hmm. But watching things come from really inception of just ground zero. Mm-hmm. Because we took the site and we were like, yeah, this is great. What is out right now? the intent was to be beta for us to learn everything. We're going to learn to build what we're building now mm-hmm. And so while some things are going to translate over this site looks epic. Yeah. And to watch the design team just like boo pew, pew was

Erin

crazy. It's a lot different working in flow than against flow. Yeah. But going back to like what you're talking about, there's a time and a place for some element of rigidity. Mm-hmm. I did wanna speak into that a little bit because. First of all, when you are chronically ill, having symptoms that are debilitating, like to the point where you are really struggling to keep up with daily life. Yeah. You are in a hole at that point, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. You're gonna have to, to some degree overshoot, to climb out of that hole. Yeah. As far as diet and these health promoting practices go mm-hmm. Food is medicine. Like I wholeheartedly believe that. And this idea of 80 20 is amazing and I will say during a season of healing, intense healing, if you are just really in a hole. Mm-hmm. just know that there may be a time. For some element of rigidity with your diet, whether that's incorporating more whole foods, cutting out processed foods, et cetera. Those are things that you could do forever and your body would, Thank you. But as far as strictness goes, that doesn't have to be forever. There's absolutely gonna be a season of more food freedom and Oh yeah, sure. So I just, I think people are scared to like start that because they think like, oh no, then I'm gonna have to eat like this forever. Like you were really strict for a period of time. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And now we have so much more freedom. Your sensitivities list is like three things now. Yeah. So just know that it's not forever. Also, one thing I wanted to say about the whole 80 20 thing is first of all, for me, when I really sat down and, and figured out like, okay, what actually is 80 20? If we're eating three meals a day, seven days a week, that's what. 21 meals a

Josh

week. Let's say that it's 32, just so people comment.

Erin

great, great call. But what actually is 20% of that? That's a few meals a week. Yeah. Where we're eating outside of this, whole food, nutrient dense stuff. And so for me that was a lot less than what I would, normally do. Yeah. For me it was like 80 20, that means lunch doesn't count every day. I can do whatever the fuck I want for lunch. Sure. that's not really 80 20, so just, consider that. But. Also, I think it's really important cuz I see this all the time on social, don't shit on somebody else's 20. Yeah, if I go whatever, get my nails done, I'm breathing in fumes and chemicals and what, I don't really do this very often, but yeah. Three times a year when I get my nails done. don't come at me with that. No. I live my life in a way to make space for that 20 now. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I didn't always before, I just like, again, co covered my eyes and ears and said la la la but there

Josh

is a level of luxury that exists inside of the eight to 20 because when you're chronically ill, it's not I totally get that when my toxic bucket is completely full and overflowing, a candle would set me off. That's

Erin

what I'm saying, like there's a hole that you're climbing out of, so you're gonna need an element of, and again, it's unique for each person. So if, you know that rigidity is gonna send you whatever and it in the wrong direction, then. Totally. You just gotta know that about yourself. But I think there are people that heal incrementally and I think there are people that do better with an overhaul, if that makes sense. Mm-hmm. like some people need to make like a 2% change every day. You know, like, I'm gonna add a vegetable a day, whatever, something that feels really attainable. Some people do better to just like, I'm completely changing my life. I'm quitting my job. Yeah. I'm not eating processed foods at whatever it is. Yeah, they cold Turkey it. Yeah. And I think there's a time and a place for both depending on the person. But

Josh

yeah, I think regardless, regardless of what your healing journey looks like, one of the most difficult pieces for me and for many, it takes time. Yeah. It's a journey. I now am of the belief that this journey never ends. A hundred percent. I believe that. And the evolution of that journey also never ends. It will continue to evolve. Your body is evolving and changing and working. Through your environments changing and working through things, the toxins that you're gonna be absorbing are changing. So you're constantly gonna have to shift. I think that was really difficult for me to swallow when I was super sick this wasn't gonna take three months. Yeah. And I don't think it's gonna take anybody three months, regardless of if you're at rock bottom or not. Mm-hmm. yeah, it's something that you have to be committed to. Mm-hmm. regardless of what it looks like, and you will begin to heal. The other thought inside of that though, and this is something that I definitely did, and I will see others with a similar personality as me do, is you throw everything in the kitchen sink at it. Yeah. And, That's not helpful either. when I was first really getting into all this, it was like, okay, let's do emdr, let's do this, let's do this, let's do this. And I was doing like 10 things at once and my body freaked a leak. Mm-hmm. It was like, okay, whoa, Josh. Like we weren't doing anything two months ago and now we're doing everything. There is that cold Turkey shift, like you're saying with some people. Mm-hmm. But you can't do everything all at once. No. Because your body's gonna freak out. Yeah. So trust a little bit of the process that's beauty of bioenergetics. There's a little bit of a regimen that exists inside of that, and then you can start to make other external changes that you think are really gonna help you adapt. Mm-hmm. But give yourself some grace. Understand that you. Are gonna need time to care, care

Erin

of all this. That's a tough, that's a tough pill for a lot of people to swallow. I mean, mean

Josh

it's still a tough pill

Erin

for me to swallow. Mm-hmm. Yeah. We're just so conditioned by the framework that we are, have all been working within like western medicine. It's like you pop a pill and in 30 to 45 minutes you notice a difference. Yeah. And that is helpful. There's a time and a place for that. And it's not lasting Yeah. When that pharmaceutical wears off, the problem is still there. Right. Right. So if you want lasting true healing mm-hmm. And wellness, it will always take time. Yeah.

Josh

Always. I even think obviously I had a bunch of trauma that also attributed to some of my chronic illness. Mm-hmm. That was fucking generational. Yeah. trickle down. The thought that I have now is the work that I'm doing not only is impacting my life, it's going to impact the generations that come from my lineage. Mm-hmm. And that has to be recognized that the time it's gonna take for you to fully heal doesn't exist. on this journey for the rest of your life. Mm-hmm. But the changes that you can make now can impact your future and the future that comes after you.

Erin

And I would argue can be, and I've seen it healing. In past generations. Mm-hmm. just by us doing our work, which is crazy. Like I've heard stories of people really digging into, whether it's childhood traumas or whatever, stuff that, like you said, has been passed down generationally. Which if you've not heard that concept before, like this concept of epigenetics, trauma is passed down in our d n a, it's, not scientifically proven, right. This isn't just too hippies, scientifically proven chat about. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's cool that yes, of course it's gonna impact future generations, but it can even heal the stuff that happened before somehow, some way. I don't really know how to explain that, but just something cool. just to piggyback off of what you're talking about with, you can't do it all at once. Yeah. Sometimes I think less is even more. And some scenarios, like if for sure you're Yeah. On the person, but there's probably. Things that you can be cutting from your life, removing from your life, that are contributing to that toxin bucket that we talk about all the time. And so if you're feeling stressed or overwhelmed about all the things that you feel like you need to incorporate in your life now in order to heal, all these whatever practices and things, like, I don't have time for all of that. Okay, well then what can you cut? What can you eliminate? Mm-hmm. Instead of adding all the time. Yeah. Like a relationship? Is that something that you signed up to do that you don't even fucking like Sure to do? just take a hard look at your life and say, okay, what can I cut out to make space for these things that I know will bring me more life force, more energy, more healing.

Josh

Yeah. I think with the spiritual journey that I've been on and just becoming more in tune with myself, one thing that I have recognized is I know, yes. It's all inside of me. So with that, Start asking yourself questions that aren't open-ended. I don't care who you are. I think that is incredibly helpful. Hmm. If I would've done that inside of my healing journey, I would've been able to prioritize what I needed to start working on. As an example, probably one of the biggest things that I was struggling with ill was that my body was an enemy. Hmm. And I very much disliked it. I was always pissed at it. I couldn't believe it was doing all of this to me. All of these things, when I worked on the relationship with my body, that it's working so hard for me that I love it, yada yada. I started to notice some healing, then detoxification was another one that just was incredibly evident that I needed to work on, and my body knew it. Mm-hmm. And if you ask yourself these questions, you're gonna find your own answers. Yeah. It's gonna feel like, Incredibly overwhelming. If you're like, what do I need to do? Yeah. Open-ended. I could give you a infinite list of the things that you could do. That's so true. And you and I as partners, those are gonna be different answers. Mm-hmm. So what used to happen then is I would see you doing things that you thought were incredibly important and I would feel a sense of shame, or that I was doing something wrong, or I needed to get on board with whatever you were doing. If you feel like that's not what you need right now, move on and start to find out what is, like water as an example was really important to me, but detoxification for me was even more important. Hmm. Then that evolved and then I started really focusing on minerals and water. But that was just because that was what was working for me at the time. Listen to what's inside, trust your intuition. Yeah, I think we even did that. Sorry, we even did that with the ice bath. Yes. So y'all, we were doing the ice bath. I mean, we were low thirties for about five minutes every single day. Then we got Covid obviously we did a ice bath. And then I started the ice bath again and I was in like the upper forties and it felt

Erin

freezing. Even yesterday it was 50 and we were both like,

Josh

it was crazy. But what I started to recognize was I was getting like a little bit of added weight around my waist. I felt it wasn't serving me like it was before. And so, I decided to bump it down to three minutes at a little bit higher temperature, but I'm moving inside the water so it still feels freezing cold every other day. y'all. My waist has decreased so fast.

Erin

And for people that are like, what? What's he talking about? Weight? Like

Josh

I'll get like a tire on my waist when I'm stressed, or it's just like my

Erin

cortisol spike. I was gonna say, it's cortisol. It's, it's your body. It's a sign to us that his body is. Too much cortisol

Josh

So, and that's my mentality. Mm-hmm. is to go balls to the wall a hundred percent and go just, I'll be like, this is awesome. I want it

Erin

all even part of the way, cuz that's not my personality. So I am often wondering like, am I just being wimpy or is this me listening to my intuition? But part of the way, we had been doing it daily for weeks and I remember one day I was like, I think I don't wanna do it every day anymore. I think it's maybe not best for me. Yeah. And you were like, no. Like we gotta do it every day. Five minutes. It is awesome. And so covid. allowed us to, take a step back and just reevaluate.

Josh

But the science says, like we said on our ice bath podcast. Mm-hmm. it's 11 minutes. Yep. At whatever temperatures cold to you. Yeah. So for me. It wasn't that I needed to like far exceed what science says. I just thought it felt really good for me. Yeah. And I think it was for a period. Yeah. And now it's not. And I feel like I'm thriving on every other day at, at three minutes and 33 seconds. Y'all So every single time, because that's

Erin

how we, that's how we live. The other th So Relating back to what you were saying with, we each have to kind of know what's best for us in any given moment. So many of us are just not tapped in Yeah. To ourselves, to our knowing. And so sometimes that's just the first place to start. Because it can be kind of confusing. Like what is, for instance, what's an. urge or a craving or a maladaptive coping mechanism versus what's my knowing? Mm-hmm. like for me to reach for a box of Girl scout cookies could feel like my knowing Sure. Does that make sense? Give some Samos. Yeah. So you gotta, you gotta peel back the layers a little bit and get at attuned with like, what is the voice of source of knowing whatever, like that higher self, like what's that voice? Yeah. Because it sounds different than the voice in my head that says like, I need sugar, whatever. Totally. So, it's so different. Reaching for a box of Girl Scout cookies is a lot different than like savoring. What a scoop of delicious ice cream. I don't know the, there's just a difference there. So one is freedom. And you got so

Josh

romantic over that ice cream. I did. Yeah. One clearly. I know it's one you'd pick right now.

Erin

Well, I'm just saying one is freedom. One is the voice of source in life and freedom and one is, one is a cheap replacement. Yeah. It's a quick fix. Yeah. So take the time, journal or whatever it takes for you to get tap in with yourself. Tap, tap, tap in.

Josh

I don't know how else to say it. Erin was struggling with their words to try to figure it out, but it's just tap

Erin

in. Exactly. Yeah. Soon we'll talk about how we like to tap in with breath, work with Kimmy. Woo. I'm so excited for that. Yeah, we

Josh

actually do have guests coming

Erin

now. Yeah. Are you guys so sick and tired of us? Yikes. Oh, guests are coming. Fear

Josh

enough. Covid kind of put a little wrench into our Yeah. Timeline. We're back, but we,

Erin

this was good. Collective deep breath, everybody. Yeah. I love it. I love you.

Josh

I love you too. I love us and I love every single person that's listening to this right now. For real

Erin

love is emanating from our heart chakras to yours. Hoo it. Do you feel it? Do you feel, take a second pause for

Josh

a second. Do you feel it? Do you feel how much we love you? Soak it in. Keep soaking it,

Erin

Okay? Okay. Love you

guys.

Josh

Bye.