Josh

Hi everybody. What it do baby Boo? How you doing? Chilling. How you doing? Good.

Erin

Yeah. Did breath work today? Which feels. Extra monumental because it's a new moon and the spring equinox just happened. Mm-hmm.

Josh

there's a whole lot going on in the astrological world this week.

Erin

Yeah. Powerful energy shifting. Yeah. We're

Josh

manifesting the shit outta life right now, I am. I'm like in the, in every way possible. I'm trying to manifest. I love that. I'd be like, nevermind. I was good because I was literally manifesting while I was pooping today. yo. I was gonna be like, I'm pooping, manifesting I'm taking a shower. Manifesting. today is the day of manifestations. There you go. People. Mm-hmm.

Erin

By the time, by the time you're listening to this, you already missed it. Sorry. Yes.

Josh

Saka. You didn't do it. You lost, I see you on the other side behind me.

Erin

We do have a thing with moons and new moons. I just, the moon fascinates me, but yeah, it's pretty baller. was it the last full moon? I can't remember. we went outside. It was two full moons ago. Okay. We went outside. We wrote down all of the things that we are ready to give up. or, yeah. Anything. It doesn't serve us well. Yes, and we wrote them down on different pieces of paper and we took it outside under the full moon and we burned that shit. Then we put the replacement. Whatever. Like say on manifestations. Yeah. Yes. The positive affirmations or whatever we're seeking for this new season and we put that under our pillow and we slept on it. Sure did.

Josh

I slept hard on it for sure. Yup. And then we took videos of us burning it. And then the one video was two minutes and 22 seconds. Oh, I forgot

Erin

about that. Yeah, we never posted it because at all it's

Josh

two minutes. Who's gonna, nobody cares about that but that's what happened. It was two minutes, 22 seconds. There you go. So yeah, we balling out on this moon.

Erin

Yeah. I didn't even know that today was today astrologically when I scheduled that breathwork session. So thank you universe. Thank you Kimberly. Got your back. Also made me very excited to have Kimberly on the podcast in like two days. I

Josh

know. So good. How'd that breathwork session go?

Erin

It was great. So usually I have some like big old release of whatever emotions. Yeah. I usually sob Mm-hmm. not every time, but this time was a very. Zen and kind of energizing one. Yeah. Like I, came out of it feeling like, all right, I've got clarity. I know what I wanna be doing with Rudy and I have all this content flowing through my brain. And so yeah, it was good. It was great. That's awesome. Mm-hmm. I just freaking love breath work. I will be doing it until I'm old and

Josh

gray. Sam, I'm Stok that guy one next week. Yes. About to go to Pound Town. with Kimberly

Erin

No, no. Wait. Yeah. Why pound down

Josh

No, it was a poor word choice. Okay. Uh,

Erin

Is there something

Josh

No, it's just with my brain. I'm gonna go pound town with the universe. Apparently. I'm gonna just go hallucinate, get some downloads. I

Erin

love it.

Josh

Yeah. I'm curious to see if I get paralyzed or not. Yeah, that's because I've loosened my grip since November. That's for sure. Because there's a whole lot of shit going on, or maybe not a lot of shit going on, and I'm just free flowing. Yeah. Feels

Erin

good. It, it does feel good.

Josh

Y'all, I have to say this, we've spent an hour bickering back and forth before we started this podcast. Relax, taking daggers, taking arrows. But I feel like we talked about something really good. Yeah, we did. And I wanna talk about it. I don't even know what we were talking about on this podcast, but that's what I wanna talk about for a minute. The spiritual comparison. Mm, yes. People being more spiritual than you. Are you as in general, not you as an Erin.

Erin

It's okay. I'm not taking it as a dagger this time.

Josh

Yeah. Did you? I was like to give, it's

Erin

ok. I'm not saying it to you to give context. At the very end of my breathwork session today, I had this realization that sometimes when I'm lacking clarity or direction or I feel like a consult is scattered or all over the place or something, I can always take a few deep breaths and ask God, source, angels, universe, whatever you wanna call it. I don't really care to kind of guide my path or direct my steps or direct my words, whatever. Yeah, it's really beautiful. Yeah. So before the

Josh

podcast, I sit down out of nowhere guys, we were literally just talking about like stink bugs and hawks or something.

Erin

I was like, okay, wait, before we start, I wanna just do this thing. And so I paused and I said, I don't even know what to say. Hey

Josh

God. Oh, you were like, Hey God, come into this space.

Erin

Yeah, totally.

Josh

Normal stuff.

Erin

And Josh just was caught off guard

Josh

significantly. Nothing wrong with prayer. Yep. None.

Erin

No. But when he said like, are you praying? And I was like, immediately felt like you were spiritually shaming me. And then we bickered for an hour to rather

Josh

Yep. So the intention wasn't to spiritually shame, I was just significantly caught off guard cuz I look over and your eyes are closed, And I was like, how are you gonna end this in an amen Like listen. Nothing wrong with prayer.

Erin

Wrong. I was gonna say, there's probably lots of praying, people listening to this. Yeah. Nothing wrong with it. Yes. It just looks a lot different than it used to for

Josh

us. And yeah. All I'm saying, I haven't seen that in a minute. In that context. Yes. Yeah. So a heads up next time, you know, but it was hysterical I thought, cuz I was like, are you praying right now? In middle of whatever she was saying and it didn't go well.

Erin

I said, are you spiritually shaming me

Josh

right now? I was like, I mean maybe I am I but I thought it was funny.

Erin

And,

Josh

but then we went on a 45 minute conversation Yes. About where both of us are at spiritually and obviously there's some things to work through in that. But in my opinion, wherever you're at spiritually is great. Not you specifically you in general and that we shouldn't be comparing. Oh, you're more spiritual than I am. Or you're further on your journey spiritually. Like that is completely irrelevant. My experience is my own experience. Mm-hmm. So I don't know how we could even determine if I'm further in my spirituality or not. Also, I think that way more than the majority probably doesn't talk as much as I talk about anything That's true. So, so me being outspoken about my beliefs or feelings or my spirituality or my confidence in it doesn't mean that the next person doesn't feel the same way, even though they're not outspoken about it.

Erin

Totally. Yeah. I'm very much intro introspective. I have a lot of things going on within my mind and body at any given moment that, you know, maybe like 10% of which is 9% more than anyone else knows fact. So yeah. So I, of course there's no way for you to know all the things that are. I don't know. Right. Within my spirituality. Mm-hmm. yeah, it was a good, it was a good conversation. We were both taught growing up that the idea of truth being relative is dangerous. I mean, I Did you get that message? Yeah. Yes. And so I think it is tricky sometimes for me to think about that, but more than ever before in my whole life, it is so dependent on the person. All things, but especially spirituality. Yeah. Like whether it's health, whether it's mental health, physical health, spirituality, emotional stuff. we are so wildly unique. Yeah. Why do we think that? A religion can't be one size fits all. No,

Josh

nothing is one size fits all. Yeah.

Erin

Nutrition. All these things, like it's just unique to you. And so, and that

Josh

should be so celebrated for sure. Yeah. That's what I was talking about earlier. We were arguing is that like, this is so bio-individual on every sense and where you find your freedom and you are your most authentic self is what we all should be celebrating and encouraging. Totally. And so if you're feeling that, regardless of if you're acting like me or the next person, I'm here to a hundred percent celebrate that. Mm-hmm. because you're finding your freedom.

Erin

Yeah, I agree.

Josh

Boom. Turner. Yeah. So I just wanna encourage people to be a little bit more open-minded in that and celebrate where each individual is, wherever that is on their journey. Because there is no start and finish in a spiritual journey that doesn't exist. Yeah. Because we're constantly going to be evolving and growing and learning, and it should just be celebrated for wherever that person's at because it can be shamed both sides for sure. And it's constantly shifting, like on a daily basis. Yeah. I feel like I'm learning a new thing about my spirituality every 30 minutes. So it's like there is no levels to spirituality. No. I mean, I think it's being really in tune with yourself.

Erin

Yeah. Is the goal. Yes. Tapping in, like we always talk about

Josh

Does that resonate with you?

Erin

Yeah, for sure it does. I think also the more I learn about like human design and all these other, you know, astrology, just all of it, it's all pointing to. Just this unique journey and path that e each of us walks down. Mm-hmm. and the timing of it all is divine. Like, it's so tempting to wanna backwards and, and kick yourself for not knowing what you didn't know or whatever, not learning what you learned sooner. And yeah, I just think that it all happens the way that it should somehow. I know that feels really cheesy to say, but I mean, I totally agree with that.

Josh

Yeah. Each person's experience is inevitably different. We, you and I literally could experience the same thing and receive it differently. Totally. as it relates to spirituality, or quite frankly, anything that you're learning or gleaning information from mm-hmm. is going to have to be different. Yeah. there is no way to compare. Those models. Yeah. It's impossible.

Erin

Yeah. And, and it applies, like you said, it applies to physical stuff too. I think dealing with chronic illness or health stuff It's tempting for people to compare other people's. Mm-hmm. Healing.

Josh

Also, at a baseline, I am just significantly more passionate than you are

Erin

That's true.

Josh

Oh. When I get onto something, I don't just like half-ass it. That's just not how I am. So when I like, am interested in anything, I'm gonna dive fully in, integrate myself in it as much as I can, and then I'm constantly going to be sharing my experience. It's just who I am.

Erin

Yeah. it's really not so different for me, but it's just that you are processing and stuff. It's all external. External. Mine is all internal. Mm-hmm. I also get super jazzed about topics and go into like crazy. Yes, it's so true. Spirals and reading and learning and whatever. Investigating It's just all happens in here. Yeah. Nobody really hears too much about it for sure. I mean, my close people do for sure, but

Josh

that's it. Like me. Yeah. Oh, okay. Good.

Erin

my number one.

Josh

Oh G. Talk to me a little bit about what you were mentioning in your breath work about the plateaus.

Erin

Yes. So as we will talk to Kimberly about in the very near future, she works with a lot of birth messaging or programming, which sounds absurd. But just hang with me, When she first started talking to me about birth I was like, Kimberly, what the fuck? I'm not gonna breathe through my birth. My birth is not still impacting me today. But there are different messages or beliefs that we can integrate or hang onto from our birth. the way that I was born was that it was an induction, meaning my mom didn't naturally go into labor. She was given medication to go into labor, which happens all the time. But then I wasn't coming out and so they ended up having to do a c-section and I was kind of like stuck in the birth canal. So anyway, what can happen sometimes is that when a, baby is induced and, or a c-section, we internalize this message of I'm not ready. I can't do hard things on my own. Somebody has to do this for me. I'm trying to think of all the other ones. There's a bunch of things and they all feel so deeply true to me. It's wild but feeling like I am always just waiting for somebody to like push me off the cliff to get me started. So I breathed through a little bit of that today and have in the past too. But there are times for sure when I feel like my momentum, my progress is at kind of a standstill. It feels like a plateau as far as my energy goes or my productivity. what we were breathing through today she has these affirmations for all the different kind of birth types, and one of them that she read was that a plateau is not inherently bad. It can be a time for me to really plug in and recharge and. introspectively, take a look at what's going on within. But to really refuel and recharge my energy body for whatever's coming next. And it just resonated so deeply with me because often when I hit a plateau, I feel like, oh shit. Like, what have I done? Where am I slacking? Like, I'm such a lazy whatever. I don't know, it just really reframed that season for me as, okay, this is an opportunity for me to really take a hard look at who am I and what do I believe, and how do I get plugged into source and life force and all these things to prepare me for whatever the universe is bringing next. Yeah. Like this next season. And I've just never thought about a plateau that way. It feels like it could correlate with people's, health journey through chronic illness and stuff. We often will get a little bit better and then kind of hit a plateau, which I know happened to you multiple times, but yeah. Did it ever feel like for you, an opportunity, did it always feel like, oh, I'm taking a step back, or like, what am I doing wrong?

Josh

I guess when I started to find healing, I started to recognize that those plateaus were maybe a little more impactful than I recognized. Mm-hmm. when I was super sick and I was trying to find anything, I felt like I was in such a deep hole and a rut that it didn't feel productive at all. But once I started healing with bioenergetics and I started to see progress, and I started to grasp onto hope again, recognizing that, oh, maybe I could actually get better. Mm-hmm. fully. That's when I started to understand what the plateaus were. I didn't call'em that, but that's exactly what they were. And then I think now I take those opportunities to really be introspective and grow and learn more about myself. And we were talking about this earlier. That's what I think Columbus is for me. Mm-hmm. Columbus was the perfect season for me to heal and dig super deep into myself, to completely deconstruct my identity and then build it back up into everything that I believe and feel now. But I wouldn't have been able to do that, quite frankly, anywhere else, and we would've never known that. How could have we? Yeah. How could have we How could, how could have we Valard, Oh, Romeo

Erin

Yeah. Just cuz it feels like a lull of some sort, whether it's professionally or personally or relationally or all the above. All the above, yeah. Yeah. So the lull feels like, oh no, what am I doing wrong? Why am I not living my best life? Whatever. Yeah. But really it could be an amazing opportunity to a hundred percent. Whether it's recreate yourself Yeah. Gain

Josh

clarity, whatever. Yeah. And when you're super sick, like chronically ill and just straight up bedridden, you're so sick that it's really hard for you to get to that mind space. But once you start to find healing in some way, regardless of if it's healing from chronic illness or just, you know, your mental space or whatever mm-hmm. you start to be able to. See and understand that maybe this season could be productive or you're really, maybe it's not even productive. You're just doing the best you can with what you've got. Yeah. now that I'm on the other side of chronic illness, it feels like I can choose to be productive or not inside the plateaus. Sure. And so as soon as I healed here in Columbus, it felt like, okay, I don't know what's gonna happen, but nothing's going on in so many different places of my life that maybe I just gotta go inward and really find myself again, so that whenever something does happen, I'm ready to pop off.

Erin

Totally. Yeah. I love that. Mm-hmm.

Josh

do you feel that way about Columbus?

Erin

Yeah. I mean, it's definitely felt like a cocoon stage of our life. Yeah. Where, I mean, we have very little social like. Interaction. Yeah. I

Josh

mean, we moved in Covid. Yeah. I was super sick then I started healing. Our friend groups were shifting a lot and then we both changed so much. Yeah. In the last two days it would've been, again, hard to keep relationships with how much we've changed in the past

Erin

year. That's fair. Yeah. I mean, I'm glad we're sold together. Same. Yeah. I mean it definitely feels like a cocoon stage and that we're like just kinda staring to

Josh

butterfly, bugs life. Do you remember

Erin

that? Yes. Yeah. Columbus was our goo phase. Mm-hmm. our, you know, when the butterfly or the caterpillars are morphing into the butterflies, it's kinda like gooey and it's all done in private and yum. And then you come out as a beautiful butterfly. So I feel like, yeah, just my antennas are poking out. I'm not all the way out yet, but That's all right. That's great. When you were in that super sick point, I think this goes for anybody just struggling with anything, whether it's health or stress or whatever, So when somebody is dealing with some form of chronic, anything, chronic health stuff or anxiety or whatever mm-hmm. sometimes it can feel really hard to know where to start. Especially with health stuff cuz it's so complex and there's, you know, a million different theories and protocols and whatever. How do you feel like a person in that state can know what their next step is?

Josh

when you find where you don't have to guess? That is the answer. Yeah. With chronic illness, it felt like we were constantly just guessing. Mm-hmm. we were throwing darts at a wall in a black, dark room. Yeah. I legit don't care what it is. Whether it's bioenergetic testing or some other form of healing. When it feels like you're not guessing anymore, take the steps forward. Mm. Mm-hmm. because that's the greatest sign. It's your intuition being like, this feels right. Yeah. And it may not end up being right, but at least in that moment, yeah. You're taking the steps forward because you're not guessing anymore. We aren't meant to guess. I don't think that's how we're supposed to live.

Erin

Yeah. I've never thought about that. Like that's why we have intuition. Yes.

Josh

Yeah. So as soon as it doesn't feel like you're guessing anymore. Fucking roll. Mm-hmm. And that's what bioenergetic felt like. Mm-hmm. We didn't really have any other options because we had tried everything else. but we were still in this state of guessing. It was like, what is this symptom? What caused it? Oh, it could have been this. Maybe it was this. Why am I having this symptom now? Where did that symptom come? And it was just like we were constantly, maybe it was the food I ate last night, maybe it was this, we had no answers. And for us, when we found bioenergetics, the results were like, this is it. And it felt like we weren't guessing anymore.

Erin

Yeah. I think, oh, sorry. Go ahead. Oh,

Josh

I was gonna say I, that has existed now in so many different places of our life though. Mm-hmm. moving to Columbus, we weren't even guessing. It was like an intuitive poll. Yeah. And we were like, we gotta go. I don't even know why neither of us wanna be there, but like here we are. Yeah. And look how beautiful this journey was. Yeah. It wasn't easy. No journey is going to be easy. But we stopped guessing in it, and our intuition just was flowing. that is life. the more you tap into your intuition, you live outta that state of confidence and you're constantly flowing with the answers that are provided to you. And that's that state of attraction versus the state of, chasing mm-hmm. That is what guessing is. You're constantly trying to find an answer, but

Erin

yeah. Yeah. I definitely think that that's true. a lot of people that I work with or interact with on social that are really sick are looking anywhere but within them for their answers. I get that health stuff is complex and there are people that know more than you. I get that. And so yeah,

Josh

somebody will always know more than

Erin

you. Sure. But I'm saying like, maybe your intuition is telling you. It's time for a one-on-one practitioner, or it's time to test and stop guessing, whether that's bioenergetic testing or if you find something else that resonates. Great. Yeah. Maybe your intuition is telling you it's time to start with generating safety within my body. are different places where people can start, all of which are great for sure. Honestly, just start, start But what I see so often is people are just looking anywhere but within themselves for their own answers. And the honest truth is nobody's gonna have your answers, but you, it's all within baby. Yeah. So even if your answer is, I need help from X, Y, and Z, that's an answer of 10000%. Does that make sense? So even though yes, you're utilizing help or the wisdom or knowledge of a practitioner, whatever, It's still your intuition telling you it's time to do that thing. Yep. Or it's time to learn ef f t or that's tapping or do breath work or some

Josh

I'm over here like, what the fuck is eft? You just throwing out random syllables,

Erin

emotional freedom technique. But I think a lot of people, deep down, if they are brutally honest with themselves, they know what they need. And I think for a lot of people that safety within the body is probably the place to start. Yeah. To be quite honest with you, I know that we have a bioenergetics company and I will always say, test and stop guessing I don't care how much you test and what remedies you use. If your body is not experiencing some degree of safety, like at a cellular level Hmm. You're not gonna move forward. what are we scared of? Why do we not wanna look inside? What's it? It's Pandora's box. I

Josh

don't know. I think many of us were taught not to trust ourselves. Yeah. God, that's so true. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So being introspective and trusting, even the idea of an intuition. Mm-hmm. seems bad.

Erin

And maybe your intuitionist telling you find a guide or a teacher Oh, for sure. Who can teach you how to tap into intuition. Yeah. that's a great place to start too. stop outsourcing your power and your answers. that's what we do all day long. Mm-hmm. that is such a pattern for me. Yeah. to look elsewhere. Mm-hmm.

Josh

how do you start finding safety within yourself?

Erin

It's a great question. There are all sorts of tools that you can, put in your toolbox to bring out at any, any given time. I do think there's just like everything we talk about, every person is unique and one modality that works for one person may not be the best for another. Mm-hmm. well, first, let me explain. there's this concept called the cell danger response, which I won't get too, like into the nitty gritty, but the mitochondria within our cells, so those are most people, when they think about mitochondria, they think about the. Production or the battery of the cell. The powerhouse. Yeah. Remember that eighth grade science powerhouse of the, the cell? Woo. Yeah. So it is that it is also a sensing organelle within the cell, and so it is sensing when there is danger or toxicity or mm-hmm. that can be pathogen related. That can be, you know, heavy metals or chemicals it can also be unprocessed emotions or trauma is a big one, but when the mitochondria sense the danger, there's all sorts of changes that happen within the body and different chemical processes. But kind of the best, easiest way to explain it is it's similar to when there's a hurricane coming and everyone shutters up their windows and doors to keep it safe within. Our cells actually do that. They like put up walls around and these cells that normally are able to communicate and freely mm-hmm. and all these things. Mm-hmm. it's, it's like the communication is shut off. The cells are like, we're gonna minimize the amount of damage or trauma or whatever. Yeah. By putting up these walls, which is really helpful in the short term. Like, you think about an acute illness, so say I have the flu and that malaise, that fatigue, the, like, we can't get off the couch. We're so tired. Yeah. That's all very protective for us. Sure. It's protecting us. It's keeping us from overexerting ourself. Mm-hmm. or from infecting the people around us. Yeah. Like, we're not gonna be out and about if we feel like garbage. So in the short term it's super helpful, but when that cell danger response is prolonged and it's not able to complete then these. Things that in the short term are quite helpful, become really detrimental to Right. To a person. but the key there is that the mitochondria have to feel safe in order to open the windows up to help ourselves to communicate freely again. Right. so many people, whether it is a, trauma related or not, honestly, I don't care because chronic illness in itself is traumatic. Yes. Like, I will say that till the end of my days, But whether or not trauma contributed to your illness, it's a part of it now because it just fucking sucks to be chronically sick, you need to find, for a lot of people it's a somatic work, so whether that is yoga, something that uses your body mm-hmm. your breath, touch, like massage can be super helpful. Something that generates a feeling of safety within you. But knowing that it will have a physiological impact on your ability to heal, I think is really helpful to get people to like actually go do the thing Yeah. That they know is probably good for them, but mm-hmm.

Josh

There was gateway tools for me. Yeah. Meditation was what I for sure started with and it was super guided via app. I didn't even know what I was doing. I was like, who am I? I mean, seriously. And that was my gateway into everything else. You're gonna find your gateway. Mm-hmm. whatever feels the safest is what you should be doing. there are a million apps out there that can help you with all of those tools. Breathing, yoga, meditation, tapping, like there's so many different things. You can find half of those things on Spotify alone. Just start to test that out and see what feels safe, what doesn't, what resonates, and just continue to pursue that. And then you'll kind break through ceilings, where you'll start to feel you hit the ceiling and then you'll shatter it and recognize that you have this whole open space to go and experience a new tool, and then that will be impactful.

Erin

Yeah.

Josh

Short and sweet one today. I mean, it wasn't short for us, just for the listeners. We've been here for freaking two hours. I got to learn a little bit about you though. I feel like we resolved a few things.

Erin

We did. This is good. Couples therapy,

Josh

Yeah. We have a camera literally in front of us, so I feel like we could go back and re-watch and be like, I was wrong. Take some notes. Yeah, no, I was brutal. I don't wanna, I'm literally looking at myself arguing with you. It was terrible. Hard pass. Oh, righty. But it was good. It was good. Thanks for listening, y'all. Love you. Bye Bye. I'm leaving that in. Straight up. Leaving that in. Bye.