Erin

Ha. There you go. Hi, everybody.

Josh

What a do baby boo.

Erin

Ha. It's a day. It is a day. Truth be told Adam, you don't know this yet, but truth be told, I've already cried like three times this,

Josh

couple times this morning. Yeah.

Erin

It's been a rough, it's, just been an emotional week for some reason, I think. Not for some reason. Yeah. For very real reasons. sometimes it's just one of those weeks where I'm confronted with. The fragility of life and just like existential shit,

Josh

not to mention what happened in Nashville.

Erin

Yeah, well that's definitely part of it, for sure. Yeah. But it's just yeah, and then we talked briefly before we hit record, but just that imposter syndrome that sneaks in every week or two for me. So yeah just navigating those things. Yeah. But mostly I'm just really excited

Josh

y'all. I am so excited cuz we've Adam on the podcast. Woo. Oh man. Adam, we're so thankful to have you on. Yeah. we met Adam like six or seven years ago, and he's our tax guy on paper. That's what he was six or seven years ago. He did all of our taxes personally and professionally, and made crazy impacts. So if y'all need a tax guy Yeah. And you own a small business, holler up at Adam. then we got to know each other a little more as you do when somebody's working very closely with your money,

Erin

knows the intimate details of your finances. Yes. And

Josh

we started to have, you know, quarterly call. and as Ruti came along, I think we started to talk a little bit more vulnerably.

Adam

what I will say is we first connected on this set of topics before Ruti, if you remember, we got coffee one time in East Nashville, right after you all bought the land and we sat down and at that point, We were both not in a great place and we bonded over unhealth really. So that was really the first time we had a conversation about all this.

Josh

yeah, that's right.

Adam

rebounded over Ruti on the other side. Yeah.

Josh

I honestly think I was so sick during that time that I forgot that we had that conversation.

Adam

We had a call, I don't remember what it was probably house related or something like that. We were, there was like some, no, like nominal business reason why we were getting together and I think we just sat there for an hour and a half and talked about how unhealthy

Josh

I remember.

Adam

life was. And neither of us had any answer.

Josh

now that I remember, and the majority of that conversation was us talking about our trials and failures in supplements and any type of healing that we were attempting. Oh, that's crazy.

Adam

then I think that the timing because of follow up subsequent conversations you must have been imminently about to begin this whole journey.

Erin

Yeah.

Adam

Cuz that would've been like

Erin

it would've been a few months later. Mm-hmm.

Josh

Yeah. Yeah. We bought the land and then moved to the lake house, and then in July I tanked, so it was right before that. That's crazy. Yeah. Wow. Full circle. I remember having a conversation talking about what's changing my life. And you were like, actually I've tanked too I need access.

Adam

Yeah, we had that call and then we had a follow up marathon. but we're jumping way in, aren't we?

Josh

no, this is great. We can jump anywhere we want. Regardless of that journey, you're a beautiful human being inside and out.

Adam

oh.

Josh

We're thankful for you in, I can't even tell you how many ways the last podcast, we said, Kimberly feels like one of our earth angels. And I would say that, Adam, you also feel like one of our earth

Erin

angels. You do. And

Adam

I love that, but I feel so embarrassed by that. I feel like I'm like, who? Like I'm just a, a simple lowly accountant that loves spreadsheets and tax

Josh

Oh, quit. You've changed our lives.

Adam

healed me. You literally changed my life. So it just feels like

Josh

You healed you.

Adam

signing a tax return is like, what is that

Erin

Josh often will say if you're gonna heal somebody, heal your tax guy. Because like that, yeah. It's an everybody wins situation.

Josh

Yep.

Adam

That's great. I wish you all had introduced me by saying, this is Adam and he is healed, or this is and we healed him.

Erin

no, we didn't

Josh

healed you. You healed you,

Erin

That's an important distinction, honestly, that I think, yeah. It's always tempting for us to look at somebody else to be our healer, but truly, at the end of the day, if anyone's gonna heal you, it's gonna be

Josh

you. We just gave you a tool to figure out some answers to then take some steps forward.

Adam

I think that? understates the importance of the tools you gave me, but hear you.

Erin

Yeah.

Josh

Yeah. Let's jump in. We got a bunch of questions for you. I am curious the first thing that we wanna talk about is we know Ruti at times this type of healing can. Feel strange. And with Ruti our goal is to hit a demographic that this, is welcoming and feels safe. So I want to hear your thoughts on what you thought this bio energetics was and how you felt about it.

Adam

Yeah. I didn't have any framework on bioenergetics. I didn't even really have any framework on alternative healing until really we connected and you shared really your journey with me, Josh, so I didn't have any background on it. I know for me what I knew was what I knew and had experienced. That's just that traditional medicine approach. And that's fine. When you're growing up and you need more acute care and there are more complicated issues going on. You break a bone, you go to a doctor, they fix and set and heal that, and you move on and whatever the thing might be, you have some disease, you go, they give you a prescription drug, the diseases then healed. You move on and that's. That's the framework that I had. And I think as I grew up a bit, got to college and beyond and started experiencing more complicated symptoms, anxiety, depression, digestive issues, symptoms of metabolic dysfunction and like all of that. I wasn't getting anything. There was nothing, there wasn't even like a framework within which I could get answers. I have the perspective now, of course, that I maybe didn't have back then, traditional medicine just doesn't have tools or resources or it's not structured in the right way. And the incentives are not set in a way to actually get to identify and eliminate root cause issues and. It's so frustrating to me, especially it wasn't for me, an acute thing. It wasn't like one day I woke up and I was sick and I said, oh wow, I need to go see someone about blank. It was just like a slow burn that slowly grew over for me. It was a 12, 13 year period and I can go back to that timeframe and now with perspective, I can say, okay, there is. A traumatic injury that happened that could have, created a, an issue with my immune system, could have been, that could have been leaving home and just stress, anxiety of that, leaving to go to school and all But whatever it was just slow, incremental, minor, low grade anxiety, depression slowly growing into what ultimately became really severe and debilitating. follow up from my like Ruti journey is I've been able to get back the time in the head space to go really pursue the things that I'm really passionate about, the things that I've wanted to pursue for a decade and couldn't. And one of those things is I was able to finish my pilot's license.

Josh

Let's go. That's so fun. I mean, That's incredible.

Adam

in aviation, there's this concept, it's called controlled flight into terrain. And what happens is, a pilot would be at the controls, like knowing exactly what they're doing, stable level and everything, but they'll crash into something like, they'll drive the plane directly into, could be a mountain or the ground or something. There've been several accidents where, the clouds start and they're, whatever. It's 5,000, 7,000 feet, you're flying, and then all of a sudden the clouds Shift. So now instead of 5,000 feet, they're 3000 feet, and then maybe they're 2000, 1000. And the pilot just keeps lowering the plane until ultimately they literally drive the plane into the ground. And you'd think they could look out the window and see that. Why? How could anyone not see that? But there's just this like human thing that happens. That is exactly what happened over that 12, 13 year period. It's like I couldn't see that The clouds kept lowering on me. I couldn't see that I was getting closer and closer to the ground and I just did what I, do I guess as a, type A driven person. I just did more and more. I thought that was gonna get me maybe where I wanted to be. So I'd get to. All right. I'm feeling anxious and depressed. Okay, let's go for a distraction. Caffeine, social media, a TV show, food. I don't think there's a restaurant in Franklin, Tennessee that I haven't been like addicted to. At some point I can go back and be

Erin

We all have our vices.

Adam

Oh man. Let me tell you, Indian food is one of my big vices that I have worked my way addictively through every Indian restaurant in town in Franklin. Tennessee. Ultimately though the one that really accelerated this path for me, the distraction that really crushed me was. And that was really tough. There's a clear like compulsivity and addictive tendency that's like evident in our like, family history, I think I could probably point to at this point but for me it was alcohol and it started and it was just casual. It was just like, I'm most friends and we have a drink or something like that, and I had six 70 years, or I could just drink like that. And then the stresses that needed compound, I got to a point. I wake up in the morning, drink two, three cups of coffee to get. Then at the end of the day drink, at the worst, two, three bottles of wine and then, medicate and supplement my way so that I could wake up completely refreshed, ready to go the next morning. Totally functional like that. It just crushed me. so I had this whole thing that was going on and really impacting me and I thought, okay, traditional medical framework, I just need to, work the steps at a 12 Steps program, work through all the, like, all the things like that. And since that point, and like just exploring addiction and everything like that, I think I didn't quite fit in when a alcoholic definition or quite in a 12 Steps program. It

Erin

Hmm.

Adam

Quite connect with me. there are three people though that have stood out to me, like when they share their story about addiction. I'm like, yes, that is it. Whatever this thing is that's it. David Letterman was just done arm show expert with Dak. Shepherd, he talked about alcohol and how he just stopped one day and that was it. But he could not stop before then. If he started, it was impossible for him to stop. And I was like, yes, exactly that. Bene Brown said the same thing. She went to an AA meeting and picked up a sponsor, and the sponsor was like, I don't know what you are. You're definitely codependent. You definitely got a little bit of everything in terms of addictions, but I don't think you're an alcoholic. And her description, I'm like, oh, that resonates. That's the kind of like struggle that I had with something in there. But it's basically overall just the general compulsivity and like everything. I started shifting up diet. I did all the things like I, changing my diet exercise. I was doing meditation and breathing and reduce my work hours I tried to do a better job of aligning, my time with what I really wanted to be doing, what I was on the day-to-day. Those actions, habits, behaviors with my values and goals and objective. And I experienced this really great season, which perfectly mirrors what you shared Josh in the first episode of the podcast, So that for me was like around early 2019, I hit this amazing peak experience of life. I felt calm and peaceful and joy. I was like, if I can stay here forever, I'm great. Totally serious digestive issues on the side, but like I, who cares? Like I can live with that. I guess this was my thought about it. I didn't think about or

Josh

Yeah. You didn't know you could be feeling better. Yeah,

Adam

Yeah. Didn't know there was a better way to do it and so that lasted until the pandemic and then I don't know. I just got stressed, and anxious and just stopped doing everything and I got way sicker just like you did after that peak and I could not get it back. There was nothing that I could do to get it back. I tried going back and replicating the habits that I had formed during that previous. I didn't do anything. I went to my primary care doctor, traditional medicine. I did every lab test under the sun, including like the, cute little online ones. I don't wanna name check anyone, the like Facebook ad groups that are like, Hey, you should do this. Blood works, stool sample, food allergy tests, like all those kinds of things and got good information. But it was It just wasn't really information. If at the end of the

Josh

yeah,

Adam

I read a book, I read a lot of books, but one of the books I read was about how you should be eating a plant-based vegan diet. And I was like, let's go. I'm ready. And

Erin

we are so similar. It's so funny. Isn't it crazy? Yeah. We did the same thing.

Adam

plus months or something and it started and I was like, oh my goodness, this is what I've been missing my entire life. And I was like the

Josh

you you feel like tiger

Adam

yes. I was like, Anna, let me tell you why you are failing at life right now. It's because you are not eating enough plants. And I was like that vegan. But my problem was, obviously Erin's gonna see this coming a mile away, but I. Pretty severely sick it is hard to try to get enough protein went from less like ideal. It's basically possible for someone like I'm not extracting what I need in terms of nutrients to begin with. So now like doing some extra work to get the complete proteins I need was like it wasn't happening. What I noticed was I was losing weight, but now was whatever. I thought that was like, oh, look at a positive. and then I started getting cold. I'd walk through life and I'd be like, man, it is so cold in this house right now. And I'm like, wearing coats and bundling up. then, anyway, quick Google search made me realize this protein deficiency

Erin

I think just for people that are curious about vegan plant-based do I think it's possible to do it healthfully? Yeah. But it requires super convincing aex. Yeah. Yeah. Question mark. But it requires so much intention and what happens, I think why people get that initial burst and feel like really great is just because they are eating more plants, more produce, and probably hopefully eating less, processed junk, right? Sugar, everything. And so of course you're gonna feel better, but long term, and what I imagine probably happened to you, When your body doesn't have those essential building blocks, those amino acids and proteins and things it's gonna start breaking down the house to fuel the fire that we need to create attp to create energy. And so we're not feeding our bodies that, I think I've heard the analogy, instead of having like a fire that you're, fueling with your food, your body starts to take parts of the house. Like it, it'll take the kitchen table and throw it in the fire, and then it'll take, the chairs and then at the end of the day you're literally breaking down your body just to maintain your energy requirements. And so obviously that's not sustainable and probably your thyroid was really struggling and you're just, energy-wise you were at a deficit. I can see why people sometimes are like feeling great, yeah. A week into being vegan. Great. But

Adam

That's, exactly perfectly like what my experience was. And even the thyroid too, which is impressive again. Yeah, exactly what my experience was. Dr. Peter Atilla was recently on a podcast and he was saying that no matter which way you spin it, facts are facts. It's just that, animal protein is the most bio-a. Whatever you wanna do with that is whatever, but like it's the most bioavailable form of protein. And I just think, especially for someone who's chronically ill, like I clearly obviously was at that time. It's just like I didn't have the tools, resources, or ability to manage effectively and get what I needed out of a vegan diet. It's no nothing else other than that. And that was my experience.

Josh

What it seemed like when we began talking about bioenergetics was that you were incredibly knowledgeable. And you had consumed a ton of information about yourself through labs stool samples. You had gone to so many doctors and were spending so much money on it. But what was quickly evident is that you had no answers. And so you had a difficult, time taking steps forward that were long lasting. It seemed like when we were talking, you would be like, oh, I tried this and I felt so much better for a month. And then I went back. So I chalked that up to not being the root. And as soon as we started talking about that, there was that aha moment of yeah, that's what I'm looking for, is something that's gonna dig in and find exactly what's going on instead of, attempting to take care of the symptoms and help me be as stable as I think I can be instead of being fully in balanced and fully health.

Adam

that's for sure. True. But even the other thing is, it might be the right thing and it might be the wrong time. And so if you jump in and do that, you can crush yourself. The biggest mistake I made pre Ruti, cuz after the fact you were like, don't do this. I was like I already did it so it's too late. But was I went in and got, I had a mercury filling and I correctly identified like, oh, I gotta get rid of a mercury filling. And I went into a holistic dentist who has said all the right things and everything, and they removed it. And I was like, oh man, I just, I probably just sell, I solved all the problems. Like I'm gonna go and Evelyn's gonna be amazing. And I went with a friend to go get dinner and I remember 30, 60 minutes went by, we're sitting at dinner and I was like, Something's wrong, and then 90 minutes goes by and I fell off a cliff. It was like there was no happiness in the world. And I was like, I don't know how I'm gonna get outta this restaurant sober. I don't know how I'm gonna get back to my house. I don't know how I'm gonna wake up tomorrow and function like I don't like. It was brutal. And of course it was like mercury toxicity that last, that was a big old issue for a long time. Huge mistake, correct thing. poor implementation and definitely bad timing. I had another alternative practitioner, who came in and was like you should take Biocidin. It's like full spectrum thing. It's gonna knock out a little bit of everything. I was like, okay, that sounds like good advice. I guess I should go do it shredded me.

Josh

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Erin

Mm-hmm.

Adam

Me over two rounds of six weeks. Like I barely was like opening my eyes in the morning. It was so bad. And it's because it was just like stirring up everything.

Josh

Mm-hmm. Yeah. And it had nowhere to go.

Adam

Yeah. And one of the last people that I talked to was they have one of the most successful podcasts and a practice functional medicine practice in the northeast. We'll say that. And I have met with a practitioner at that practice and they did a whole round of things. And the one thing that was super interesting was my wife was also going through the same thing with that same practice at the time and they, that they were describing family history and the practitioner off the cuff just was listening to some of my symptoms and said, has he ever been tested for Lyme disease? And Anna told me that and I was like, that's weird. So I googled Lyme disease. I was like, ah, I don't have Lyme disease. I don't think so. It doesn't like line up. And I just didn't do anything with that. Then later, this was one of the interesting things, Josh, when we were having that one like final call before I did my first scan, you said the same thing. You were like, Hey, have you ever been tested for a Lyme disease? And again, I was like, that's so weird. Like why is everyone asking if I have Aly disease? I clearly don't. Um, I did

Erin

That's incredible.

Adam

that practitioner though, we did this whole set of tests and labs and everything, and ultimately their conclusion, they came back and just said, look, there's something here. I don't know what it is. And the results are like, whatever. We don't, I don't know what to do with them, but they're alarming enough that you need to go escalate this. Like you need to go find an, like an endocrinologist. I think it was one and a gastroenterologist with the two people that you need to go talk with. And I putted around with that for a little bit. Just oh, what in the world do I go do with this? And I like left. I remember, cuz I was in the parking lot, left, called you Josh and I was like,

Erin

Yep.

Adam

Here's where I'm at. This is what just happened. Tell me more about this thing that you're doing. And you were like, save my life in a call there. it sounds, I mean, I mean the literally is what happened. You were So I, yeah you could have been all, you were very much this is one option and you know, the traditional medicine approaches another option. And you could have been. You're fool. You shouldn't be doing this. How is this working for you?

Erin

One thing that we've learned is that when it comes to any alternative just not conventional path of healing, a person's just gotta be ready for it. we will be the first to admit, it requires an element of open-mindedness, of curiosity, of being willing to maybe go off the beaten path a little bit. But when you continue to be budding your head against wall, after wall on all these other if it is chronic in any way, shape, or form, I feel bad saying this. I'm a nurse. I work in the hospital still, but like we are not helping you in that setting. We are just not like you said, we're great at the acute stuff. Break a bone, sweet, we got that, have some traumatic injury. Cool. Are you septic? We can treat that. But like when it comes to anything chronic or vague, like we, we've got these vague symptoms, right? We've got depression, anxiety, my digestive system is off. It's just like we don't help you in that circumstance. And and when I say we, I mean conventional, medicine hospital, allopathic medicine. So I was so thankful that you had the open-mindedness and the curiosity mindset to be able to like fathom doing this other way.

Josh

the other point to that, piggybacking off of what you're saying is. What we would see in Ruti is that we would be like, you have to try this. Look at me, I'm walking proof that it fucking works. And then they would try it and not do the remedies. And so we started to recognize pretty quickly that this has to be the client's choice. Yes. And so we just need to be here for them when they're ready. And that's kind of what I was doing with you is Hey, I am right here when you're ready to try this. I have tools that I genuinely believe in and I'm walking proof and others are now walking proof to. But in order for it to be successful, I think there needs to be a very intentionally specific decision per the individual where they're like, either I've tried everything else and I haven't gotten answers I have nothing else to lose, or, okay. I see so many examples of people. Having such positive experiences to this, I have to try it. And it then it seems like they'll go through a couple scans and start to recognize a difference. Adam and my personality in that is totally different. Where Adam's like, you're an idiot

Erin

for not doing this.

Adam

Yeah, I said that, Dean, what? I said, I know I get you all are, being very wise about that and then all that. I'm not a part of Ruti other

Erin

part of Ruti

Adam

taking it. I'm like the militant arm of Ruti. I'm like, you check these supplements, you check this skin, it'll save your life. Yeah, I mean to that though, look, I. I'm a tax account. I'm an analytical, detail oriented type, A tax accountant who lives in the South. I love science. I love now I love scientific fact, like that's my home, that's my zone. If you can convert it into Excel, I will do it in Excel. If you can't, I will find a way to put it in Excel, like that's my. I'm not like, say or whatever it is, like that's just not, I mean, I'm open and learning and exploring life, but I just, I dunno if that's just where I am and who I am and, I was, but I remained totally convinced of the underlying principles in the scientific basis for bioenergetics. And that's the thing. You know, I've been so excited to see rollout more and more especially on the Ruti website and the podcast and things is more of a conversation about this is not woo woo, or this is, no, you've said that before. But I just wanna to reiterate that this is really based on, scientific principle. In fact, The other thing is, I cheated in a way, right? Because Josh and I are so doggone similar in so many ways. In early on too, in those first several scans, I was tracking for, really for about a year. I think I was tracking dead on with you. So you would be able to say yeah, when I got to DISC scan, like scan number three, this is what I was experiencing when I got to DISC scan, this is what I was experie. I mean, We did that liquid the last week. We had another moment like that too I'm feeling amazing. And you're like, yeah, I was feeling amazing at the exact same place too. Like, We're there, but. I think that it was wonderful having a person who has that story and it was also helpful, right? Cuz your story resonated so directly with me. But all of those things, the scientific basis, your story, everything was enough that I was able to take the first step and just do the scan. Like even before I did any of the remedies, I got my scan results back and that. Prob, I mean, maybe in this whole journey of 18 months, the first scan results were, that was like one of the most impactful moments of the whole journey for me. Because the scan results came back and for the first time in one set of results, it was like, this is everything that you are dealing with. And I was able to look at it and validate it with other information. I'd done every lab test, blood work, everything under the sun. I had objective other information that I could then go look at and I could. This is saying I'm deficient in X and this blood work that I did a month ago also says I'm deficient in X. So how did the bio energetic test know that? Unless there's some validity to that, you know, multiple things like that. And then it would say things like, it said, look, you've got LY and what ultimately so be, I guess every co-infection of Lyme and like here's a treatment for it. And even just seeing that, I'm able to then go, oh, that is actually a plausible explanation that no one has been able to offer up to this point for so many of these things that I'm experie. And some things that I was like, heavy nettles, like Mercury popped up and I was like, yeah, I know that, right? I removed that. A Mercury did it the wrong way. I've been feeling all these things. I can validate all of this. Then there were other things like, nutritional sensitivities and things. So it'd say you should avoid. And at first I was like, I don't wanna avoid X. Like I like you dairy's wonderful. Dairy is the best. Why would I avoid dairy? But If you do it, like just listen and follow the results, then all of a sudden you should feel better or on that first. And EMF exposure came up. Electromagnetic force exposure came up. And I was like, that's crazy because I recently, at that time, her Elon Musk on a podcast and he was like, you could strap 50 cell phones to me. And I wouldn't be worried about it cuz EMFs a joke. I,

Erin

interesting.

Adam

and I was like, oh, I don't know. That's crazy. But I thought, The barriers for me testing that is shut my phone in airplane mode like for a while. So who gets respond And I try it. And that had such an effect. And it wasn't even I mean it's not like I'm sitting there like on my phone then not on my phone. I was not on my phone and not on my phone, but not on my phone in airplane mode. And all of a sudden I was like, oh, I breathe.

Erin

Yeah, people underestimate that one I feel like the EMF thing, it took a while for me to not roll my eyes at that one too, because it's just so prevalent. I'm like th there's no way. Like it has to be, safe or they wouldn't have all these, things around us emitting them all the time. But people that actually do, like you did test, like trial it, whether that's turning your wifi off at night or being more mindful about putting your stuff in airplane mode, especially if you've got like that EMF sort of, don't know how it impacted you, but a lot of people just feel very like tired and falling foggy. Frog foggy. Yeah. Or have issues. Sleeping is another big one, but we see it

Josh

come up a lot when people are really struggling. It doesn't,

Erin

yeah. Sensitive people or mold. Actually, I think the way that EMFs work, it can actually like potentiate the negative impacts of mold to some degree. But I remember the first time seeing EMF on scan. Yeah. And being like, what? What are we gonna do about that?

Josh

But then I got things for my headphones. Yeah. And I got things for my computer and we were turning off, I was doing an airplane mode too, and then all of a sudden I was like, when I have a day full of calls with clients, I don't feel dead afterwards. Like my brain feels like it doesn't want to just shut my eyes. But then as I got better, EMFs came off my sensitivities. I for sure could be better about it. Yeah. But I definitely don't feel the impacts like I used to. And so I chalk that up to be, I my body was so sick, I couldn't even handle EMFs. Mm-hmm. Elon Musk, maybe you're just super healthy. You're probably not, and you should do a Ruti scan, but

Erin

I would love to see Elon Musk scan. Maybe we should manifest

Josh

that. we're,

Adam

Erin, you said something about mold and that also reminded me though, that that was another thing on my first scan that popped up was mold exposure. And we had moved out of a house, I don't know, two years prior that in the final inspection they'd found some mold that was like five feet away from where I slept at night. so I had, I didn't know people got mold exposure, that kind of thing, but I thought oh, mold, that's kind of. but then I was worried about it after I got the scan results back. So I called a home inspector and was like, Hey, can you come out and test my house right now to see if there's any mold in this house right now? And he was like I don't really do that, but do you want, you just want to mold test? I was like, I want you to come test this house like crazy. And so he came and like everywhere tested and he was like, I think you're wasting your money, but I'll do it if you want me. He does the test, and he calls me and he was like, you're not gonna believe this but you have tons of mold in the bathroom right next to your bed. And I was just like, I knew it. And he was like, how did you know that? And I was like, because Ruti's

Josh

Ruti's

Adam

That's

Erin

Ruti's legit also cuz my health is in the trash.

Josh

Yeah. Do you see what I look like? I look like death. Thank you

Adam

Yeah, that's like the critical thing that I just wish I could somehow like impart that to people is just, if you can take that one step, you don't even have to necessarily get to that first step of doing the remedies. Although once I did my first round remedies totally different. and I know from hearing you all talk about this before and from experience with my wife who's now going through the process. I know some people don't necessarily get the same results on the first scan. Like they have to clear a pathway first before they can maybe get there. Am I talking to a turn here? Is that right?

Josh

No, you're good. No, that's great. You were doing a lot of work previously, so you almost had that cheat code. A little bit of your drainage pathways were slightly open. You were awning, you were moving your lymph nodes. You understood some ground rules that needed to happen in order for you to take care of things. You just weren't getting the exact answers you needed to take the next step. So your first scan. May look different than your wife's scan if she's not doing those same practices. But yeah, you went full out on that first scan, which

Adam

First scan, three serious treatments, couple herbals, homeopathics on top of that, and nutritionals in the first round. But it just like obliterated everything and by literally from me, which I, I think some people, Josh, I think for you, that was your third scan. Is that right?

Josh

Yeah. Yep.

Adam

Yeah, so I think for some people, getting a couple scans in, but once you get to that place, whatever that place is for ME'S one, maybe it's third scan or whatever it might be, then you know, I finished those treatments and I was totally radically physically different. Like food sensitivity is just, Dropped, I mean, plummeted. I could eat so many more foods than I could prior. I basically had no sensitivities at that point I had this experience where all of a sudden I was like, I have more energy. I feel happier. I feel less weight. I feel, I'm sleeping better. All this stuff. And so I was talking maybe a little bit more like, there's something here.

Josh

You were hooked. You were hooked after the first game. Do

Erin

you remember? Was it Borrelia and mi? What did you have? Do you remember?

Adam

Yeah, I had, um, the first series I did was Anaplasma. Is it Mycoplasma? Is that what it's called?

Erin

Yep. Yeah.

Adam

I know it from, I only know it from the Box, so I only know it's Michael and, and then Boba. Borellia. Babesia. Is that right?

Erin

Okay. Yeah, dude, that was a hard hitter. Yeah. You got it right off the

Josh

bat.

Adam

And those, and I think on top of that, I had another set of multiple herbals and homeopathics on top of that.

Josh

yeah.

Adam

I got through it and I did all the things. You all did. Oh man. That podcast. So you all did, I can't remember if it was episode three or four, but it was one as you, where you went through tools. Like the tactical, practical tools. That is one of the best podcasts that has ever been recorded of any podcast.

Josh

Oh,

Adam

like, as you all were talking, I was like yes, that too. That also, every single one of those things I just did. I was doing those things. Like I'd been doing cold exposure, I was using the solid out, I was, all those things. And those are so critical, but I did 'em, I was consistent with them. I got stuff out. And by the time that really, for me, that first round was. It was like I had too much objective data, right? To be able to look at, to be able to say, this is woo, or whatever it is. And now I've seen that experience repeated with other friends and family members who have gone to that same place. Even people who started and were like, this is crazy. And you're just out there and I don't trust this. And now are at a point where they're come into me and Hey, can you help me organize my remedies? Cause I gotta start 'em or whatever. to. Let's do it

Josh

there was a shift So you started and like we talk about all the time, but I'd be curious to hear your experience in this. You're in an SOS mode. A lot of times we see Ruti clients, they're at pretty much their rock bottom, the sickest they've ever been, and they're not getting answers. You are in SOS and I kept encouraging you that you're gonna have a hundred percent bad days. And then as you begin to heal, you're gonna see a few hours of good amongst the bad days and then it progresses to some good days. And that's kind of what I mean about how you were talking to me started to shift where. When we first started communicating about this and you were going through your first scan, it was like, Josh, tell me to do anything and I'm gonna do it. And then your text would be like, Hey, if I don't go as quickly up on these remedies, is it okay? And then you recently just texted me being like, what if I only did one or two of the remedies just to help support me? your sos, and then you feel free almost. Yes.

Adam

Totally true. Oh man. You saying that though? Like just like some PTSD that I need to work out in breath work or something like that. Because you saying that to about having those days or those hours, it's just oh, it gives me, it just takes me back to those dark moments of like in the process, in the middle of the taking those remedies and getting these things out and working my way through it. There were some tough times, but that is so true. this is so exactly. You just have a glimpse, like you'll have five minutes of the day where you're like, I feel unbelievable. Like this is unbelievable. And then I'm back to awful and tanking. And then the next day it's five minutes and a month later it's like I had an hour where I felt incredible, or I had a weekend or a full week, or whatever the thing is. And then ultimately now I'm like, I don't wanna be glib about it, but I basically just feel great,

Josh

yeah.

Erin

It's so great. Yep. It's, oh

Josh

my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. You're a completely different person in a year.

Erin

Yeah. Adam,

Adam

Yeah. I

Erin

person when I'm getting that imposter syndrome or feeling like am I really helping people enough? for some reason you're guy, then I'm like, Adam healed, and like I have this guy right next to me too, who also did, but just like a person who is outside of my familial relation, like that person. Who had no skin in the game, right? Like, You're not a part of Ruti per se, that you would benefit from. So it's just like to see somebody from the outside fully heal. And really, it's just because you were one of the first ones that we started working with, and so we've had the time to watch that, but I'm like, Your story is such a gift to me because it keeps me going on the days where I'm like, am I helping people? Am I doing enough?

Adam

Yeah, you

Josh

all

Adam

and you two individually and as a collective unit are like, Unbelievable as a resource that's like can't be overstated. for instance, Josh, your story is so compelling. I don't know that I could have or would've taken that first step had I not had that template or story to latch onto it, be like, okay, that resonates with me at some level. So I think that there's, could be maybe something there and I hear a little enough of the science there that I'm like, okay, there's definitely validity, here. Let me explore it. That's critical as well. I mean, You've been my hype man for 18 months when I need you.

Josh

Yeah.

Adam

Texting you just like, this is a low or just the high, and either way you're like, your us, let's go. I'm like, let's go. Let's do this. I'm ready. I could go. And then Erin, man, I can't tell you how many times I've texted you something and you've like instantly responded with like a, an immediate thought, I don't know, off the top of my head. and they perfectly say exactly what the problem is.

Josh

After

Adam

mult multiple. No. Like within minutes and then she'll go like back and be like, Hey. Yeah, actually I think that was probably right, like most recently. Polyunsaturated fats you

Josh

Yeah, no, I mean you, you probably spent hours trying to research, figuring out, and then Erin's

Adam

for sure.

Josh

to be all the time, Adam.

Adam

it's always, I'll be like, Erin, I spend 24 hours researching this thing and I can't find anything and this is what the general problem is. And you're like off the top of your head. Have you ever explored anything with poly and saturated fast? and like when you said that, I was like, no, she doesn't. That's not anything. And then a couple days later, more Googling, I was like, oh, she was right. She was right. And I texted me back and I was like, you were dead on. How many in the world did you do that?

Erin

Oh It's just, cuz there's a constant stream of information flowing through my head at all times. I just wanna

Adam

that combination

Erin

and I'll share whatever I have.

Adam

It's potent, but it's unique, right? There are other tools and resources out there in the field of bioenergetics, but that is not a thing that exists like literally. And so what Ruti is is something completely unique, the entire experience. And I just can't say enough good about you all.

Erin

Aw, we love you. You're so sweet. Yeah. You keep us going

Josh

for sure. So now being on the other side, I would consider you on the other side. You're not

Erin

an sos, you are in the level of optimization now, which, wait. Do you mind really quick? Go for it. I do wanna speak into this just a smidge because I think you two have this in common with a lot of folks in the chronic illness community where healing and chronic illness becomes a place for you to kind of unload or unleash those obsessive whether it. Like Josh was probably more of the like runner, adrenaline seeker, and you were maybe more of the like, analytical. I wanna figure it all out and do everything perfectly. But it's so easy to just continue those same patterns, those same thoughts, those same behaviors, and just pour it into your healing process as if that's gonna heal you. And I do think some of. Your dedication and your consistency absolutely served you well. Same with you. Mm-hmm. You both, if I said jump, you both would say how high when it comes to health related things. If I told you to eat nothing but prunes for the rest of your life, like you may try that, don't, but that's just your personality types. But there is something to be said about trusting the process. Whatever you feel is resonating for you and for both of you that turned out to be bioenergetics, homeopathics, herbals and nutritional supplements. Trust your process and like loosen your grip a bit and focus on aligning within. And, I don't know, I just, I think it's tempting sometimes to pour all of these. Things that actually probably landed us in a place to be vulnerable to chronic illness to some degree. I think we

Josh

talked a couple podcasts ago that my personality probably contributed to me becoming chronically ill. But I think also my personality helped me get out Yes. Of my chronic illness. I think now though, it's learning. And Adam, you and I were just texting about this a couple days ago. I have to learn how to find that balance because that personality and characteristic trait inside of me can be a gift. Yeah. Oh, huge. But it's easier to utilize it in a way that could harm me. And my most recent scan, y'all, I am on my series therapy. Let me tell you, I'm feeling it a little bit, but I want y'all to know I'm on it. And I think those things popped up because I was pushing myself too hard in the wrong ways. it's a gentle reminder now, because I'm not in an so s mode. Yes. But. There are better ways for me to put that energy into helping others, or, I don't know. I had that breathwork session where I loosened my grip and then everything changed, but then that scan came. So I still was holding onto things tightly in ways that maybe I was just subconsciously doing. The journey of healing is always going to exist, but I think where progress can be made in leaps and bounds now for Adam and I is that we're in a place where SOS isn't consuming our brains. Yes. And so we can make small shifts and they be incredibly impactful. Where if we made a small shift, Adam, a year ago for you and a couple years ago for me, I wouldn't have even noticed a small shift. Yeah. No. This, and yeah, I think our obsessiveness in our own ways, we are different in that way. Where you, maybe a little more analytical and I'm just batshit crazy the ways that

Adam

get me too much credit.

Josh

No, you have, you deserve a That's it. so there is, but there is that level of, that's why we got out of this. We were dedicated, we had regimens. Yes. And the remedies itself catered to our type of characteristics that we were like, let's go. You're telling me what to do. Watch me be the best client you've ever had. Yeah.

Adam

I do agree with that, but I also think that my progression was hampered and hindered by the fact that I let too much of that go. I mean, You had to say, let it go. To me, I don't even

Josh

Yeah. The amount of frozen memes that I sent

Adam

Queen Elsa, like Yes. Yeah. And I was just like, I can't do it. Like now granted, breathwork session or two might have helped with that a lot at the time, but I could not do it. I just kept being like, okay, I'm not ready to let it go. Can't let it go. I definitely hurt myself through that process and extended the journey because I could not just trust the process. If I could do anything over again I do wish that I could somehow go back with the knowledge now, or maybe someone listen to this, maybe, enters into the process with that knowledge. when the scan comes in and tells you to do or not to do something, do it or don't do it. Just follow the scan. If it tells you, for instance, hey, you can't tolerate dairy, that's not a life sentence. Let's just saying right now in this moment, your body's not doing

Josh

mm-hmm. Yeah.

Erin

and in the consult, we'll talk through like potentially the reasons why it's not a life sentence. There are patterns that just for my practitioner brain, I'm able to see within the scan, whether it's parasites or we're lacking some enzymes and things like that. There's stuff we can do. So you're absolutely right. It's not a life sentence, but it does really take a lot of the guesswork out for people. And that's, I think, what some people just need.

Adam

I thought that I was doing the right thing by taking MCT oil with the coffee in the morning, and it smoked me every time. It did for six or nine months. And I, but I was like, but it's great cuz it's healing, like it's helping me get rid of whatever mold or something like that. And so I just kept doing it and taking the hit every single day. If I could go back in time, I wish I could just say just trust the process. Just follow the steps, do what the scan tells you to do, take the remes and you will heal. I had to control it too much, and I really definitely wounded myself and extended the process. That's the

Erin

Yeah. Do you feel like in hindsight, you could look back on whether it was like coffee with mc t oil or all these other things that you had tried that felt like, whether they did or not, but felt like they were giving you a step backwards or, knocking you down, like the ammo again, fillings and all those things. Were you able to tell a difference when you started say those, you were doing three series therapies, which is a that's a lot. Were you able to tell a difference as far as, okay, this feels hard, it feels like a challenge, but it also feels like forward momentum as opposed to those other experiences that you had that felt like you maybe were taking a step.

Adam

Yeah, like with the using mc two as an example, every day I'd get a hit and within two hours, an hour, whatever it was, I'd start feeling severe inflammation, exhaustion, arthritis, like joint pain, like all these kinds of things. That would hit and be really brutal. I might have felt the same thing early on with, maybe an herbal remedy or something like that, that I was taking. But by the time I like finished that, by the time I got to the end of that, oh man, I, this is like a game changer. And so you don't have to wait long before you see a result and you're like, oh, that's good. That's potent. Or parasites were brutal. Like, I didn't know anything about parasites. I didn't know anything All this stuff about the moon and all. I thought, this is crazy. This is woowoo nonsense. I thought I was like, all right, yeah, whatever, and moving on, and then got to a point where all of a sudden I was like, why does I feel like the floor just fell out from underneath me. I feel like there is nothing holding me up anymore. I feel no happiness or joy in my life at all, like dangerously. And then I'd like Google what's a full mood and it'd be like Ian one day. And I was like, I knew it. I knew it.

Erin

Did you ever see any, I have to ask. Only on this podcast, can we talk about

Adam

Oh, no. I never did. But what I do know as an absolute fact, now I know for a fact cause it's happened two rounds. Two times, is that there was one intensity. Like anti parasitic round where I had multiple supplements that were like crushed the parasites. And before that full moon, brutal. I mean it just I would have two, three days before a full moon, crushed me, and then two or three days afterwards, I mean it'd be like almost a week of my month was taken. And then I did that one round where I like went after parasites and afterwards the full moon came. It went, I didn't even know. afterwards I was like, Hey, when does the full moon? I guess I should be experiencing something soon. Nothing. that's an objective. I didn't think my way to that. Like there was something physical happening there, then it happened again recently, like within the last couple months. It's just I'm not managing the stress as well as I should be with tax season. And I've got some great new tools. Shout out to Kimberly for breath work, um, for that. But I'm not managing the stress as well as I should be during tax season. And I just started like feeling that. And I noticed that same thing. Full Moon came, it wasn't as bad two, three days. I wasn't beat up before. But on the day of, Yeah. Why am feeling so rough? And I Googled it. I screenshot it and sent it to Josh. I was like, the freaking full moon got me.

Josh

You up?

Adam

and then I got another herbal on this last round. And look at me, I'm gold and I'm ready to go.

Josh

we go. Ooh, that get me so

Erin

excited. I know. Adam, this is so good.

Josh

We haven't talked like this in depth about it and this I

Erin

fucking aims me up. I know.

Josh

It's crazy. if you could give anybody advice, somebody who is maybe considering doing this or maybe they're just starting their journey, Do you have anything that you would. Recommend them, give them advice, a gift of love.

Adam

I got a lot of things, but the first thing that I would say, I don't know what it is for you. For me, it was Josh's story and it was the legitimacy that Erin brings, like with a traditional medicine background. And it was enough understanding of the underlying like physics and science behind bioenergetics to say there is or could be something here. And it resonates with me, but You just trust it enough to start you don't have to commit a year, 18 months, whatever it is to do. You just start it. The process, the scan, the remedies, each of those things will validate themselves for you if you just give it enough space to do it. But, I didn't know what I knew about how valid and legitimate it was until, for instance, I had, done that first scan, gotten those first results back and looked at that and said, holy smokes, there is absolutely something here I didn't know. A maybe more alternative approach would actually go in effect and eliminate some of these issues or teach my body in other cases, like how to manage these things until I finished 1, 2, 3 successive rounds of treatments. You just have to trust it just enough to get started. Whether it's a story. Josh's experience or Erin's legitimacy, like from a traditional standpoint, whenever the thing is like believe in it enough to start and do not just do the scan, cuz that's great and it'll validate itself if you do that, but also do the remedies. we have a mutual friend who's name I won't say, who drives me crazy because that friend did the scan and didn't do the remedies, and I'm just like, you have no idea. If you could just do that one thing, go to that one step, you might all of a sudden have such an incredibly different experience of a life.

Josh

Yeah,

Adam

I'll keep beating them up about it

Josh

please do. It's your job to beat him up. I'm just here to have the tool when he is ready.

Erin

We're here to welcome with open doors.

Adam

You're getting me all amped up. Anyway, so that's one thing I say. The second thing I'd say is that I focused for a long time because this is what I had to do and where I was, and maybe you would like what everyone has to do. I'm not sure. I don't have enough perspective to be able to say that, but for me, where I focused solely on the physical, like physical healing, take the remedies, I will heal. I focused on that for so long. I did nothing on the mental side and the spiritual side. I was just like, go to the sauna, take the remedies, eat the food, avoid this food. Use the cold plunge. All of those types of things, those are all critical. Like you have to do those things. But if you are still working 50, 60, 70 hour weeks and miserable and super stressed and all of. It's just you got a harder road ahead and you can really, I'm guessing you can shorten the journey and see much greater effects much sooner if you can start doing some of those other things earlier.

Josh

Do you feel like in your journey, was there a moment where you felt like you had the capacity to consider those? As an example? In my journey, I felt like I was SOS for a couple scans, and that just needed to be my primary focus. I didn't have a mental capacity to think about my mental health or spirituality, or quite frankly, doing even anything else for my body. But all of a sudden there's like a cloud that's lifted and you're like, whoa. I can think about so many other things. Yeah. my life is going to be impacted in crazy ways if I begin taking steps in All the other ways that people keep telling me, I need to also take into consideration. Was that yours as well?

Adam

Yeah, and I wish I weren't the case, and I would like to believe that maybe had I encountered that or thought that through more or heard someone say that or sunk in more. I guess you were saying that to me. I just didn't act on it the way I needed to at the time, but If I had done simple things, like if I had allowed myself fewer distractions, put the phone down, sit and quiet, and peace a bit more, if I had done bread work sooner, if I had, taken 30 or 60 minutes a day just to stop I really feel I could have accelerated this journey and the path to healing and I feel like I would've hurt much less in the early stages where my body was going through a ton and instead of giving it the time and the space that it needed and the grace, which, those are all literal things. Josh was like, I can't, I don't even know how many times he said those things.

Josh

A lot.

Adam

yeah, a lot. That's being generous, so thank you. But you know, If I had just done those things, it would've been so much easier. That's another thing that I would say. Third thing I would say is, You are not smarter than the scan. If the scan tells you to do something or not to do something, do it or don't do it. You said this, Josh, you texted me this, we haven't talked about it ever. You just send me a text and it was like the most impactful text, like maybe that's ever been said or something like that. And I just like, well dang, that's good. And never said anything to you about it until right now. So I'm gonna share it with you, but you texted me. And you said I'm gonna butcher this, so forgive me. These weren't exactly your words, but you said, I was coming up with a theory. I was like, Josh, I got this whole thing figured out here. Like this is it. I need to cut this one thing, or take this one thing or do this one thing and everything is gonna fall. Like all dominoes are gonna fall down. And you were like, okay, maybe. You could be totally right, you could be totally wrong. the scan is objective. It's basically fact. So you take the scan, do what the scan tells you, and that's objectively verifiable information, anything. But that is just opinion and speculation. And I was like, oh man, that's good. That's so

Josh

Yeah. The interesting piece about all of that is I don't think you give yourself, or many people don't give themselves credit that the scan is just your body telling you what to do. There's just a tool to decipher what the body needs at that given moment. Where it's really difficult to conceptualize that is we're constantly up here in our brains. We're constantly thinking and trying to create scenarios of success or healing, or just find answers in our logical ways of thinking with everything that's in front of us. The scan itself takes the energetic levels of your body and gives us the answers. So in reality, we're just a tool. But you told yourself the answers. Yeah. You were just willing to allow a tool to aid in that. Does that make sense?

Adam

Yeah, that was definitely too much in my head and I was definitely spending too much time on Google and trying to figure it out and wanting to get there faster. the, irony of that is I think I could have gotten there faster had I not done those things. And had I just even taken that time just to sit and quiet for a couple minutes, the Googling was not great and not helpful. And that, I think about that frequently whenever I'm on Google and I'm like, polyunsaturated fats or whatever the thing might be. Yeah. Stop blowing Erin up with and about your so-called research and instead just what does the scan tell you? What does the scan say? Do what it says and trust the process and it will. Heal and resolve. It'll heal. Everything. I don't wanna, I mean, I know it's a bold claim, but I'm not a part of Ruti. I'm just a person who experienced that. So that's whatever my opinion, and it's, my reality is it will literally heal everything.

Erin

have just a couple thoughts. So for one, first of all, thank you so much for sharing that. That's super helpful and I'm sure it will resonate with a lot of people. I a thousand percent agree My favorite thing about bioenergetics is that we are really working with the body. We're essentially asking the body a question like what are you ready to heal? What is gonna be most feasible for you to clear at this specific moment in time? It's really giving us this like outer shell of the very layered onion that is chronic health issues. so we are working with the body but the scan is also it's information. And so while yes, it sometimes it's smarter than us for sure, it's not working with our cognitive logical, like you were saying, Josh, it's working at an energetic level to pick up where is their stress, where is their blockage resonating toxins, et cetera. But it's also just information. And so there are times in a scan, I don't know if this happened on yours, Adam, but say a person resonates with a thousands. Food and environmental sensitivities. I would never recommend a person to eliminate everything but three food items. You know, like, that's not helpful information. So in those circumstances, again, that free consult that comes with every Ruti scan is invaluable. We're gonna talk about those things and how do you use this information to then promote healing in your life. But in that scenario, it tells me more. So, like, We need to really work on safety in the body and deactivating that hyperactive nervous system that's feeling everything is a threat to you right now. Let's dig into that a little bit. So yes it often will flag things that we are not cognitively aware of, but it's also information. uh, I wanted to note that. other thing that I wanted to say was when you were talking through, wishing you had tapped into that spiritual soul work, maybe sooner than you had I wanna reiterate that this is, and we've talked about this in previous episodes, but this is the, I don't know if you wanna call it a silver lining or the deeper meaning or whatever you wanna call it, but chronic illness for so many people, it turns out to be this just like refining. Season of life. Yeah. That forces you to tap into these things that would you have ever done that without, grounding the plane? you had to get there before you had a reason to tap into stuff like breathwork, which is now just opening up so much more space and joy and beauty in your life that maybe you would've never tapped into before. So I know it feels like, oh, I wish I, you know, hindsight, but it happens exactly as it should and needs to, and it's somehow divine. I don't really know how to explain that, but yeah.

Adam

I totally agree. I know for a fact I would not be where I am right now, physically, mentally, spiritually. Had I not gone through that physical process of like healing, had the remedies not done that physical work, I know I would not be at this place right now I would be sad if someone heard that or heard any of the episodes of the podcast or anything and thought that there was anything like, oh, you should do the remedies and then you should get into this WOOWOO stuff, or whatever it is like that, do the remedies and then go breathe for five minutes, or, sit and clear your head and practice some mindfulness meditation for 20 minutes whatever the things are like that do breath work and so many things like that will get you the same mental, spiritual, clarity and all of that. You don't need to read a hard tole or whatever. It's, I know it was

Josh

Love him though. Yeah, yeah,

Adam

I have two more pieces of advice if I can just, cuz this is like, I'm sorry, this is like literally my passion. I've got two more, like things I really wanna make sure are at least said for myself. If nothing else, one is, I learned late, within the last feels like maybe three months or so. I was under the impression early on that the goal of the whole process with what we were doing together with bioenergetics, with remedies and everything was elimination. If I eliminated every single thing that shows up on my scan, that I would somehow then be healed. That was the end goal. And so it was feeling a little overwhelming to me when on successive scans again and again, I was. Parasite toxin, heavy metal, whatever those things might be. I just thought oh my goodness, how am I ever gonna get to heal? And then all of a sudden I made a couple like small little changes and all of a sudden my metabolic health exploded. I was doing so much better. I did a scan. Then that one came back and I was like, oh, wait a minute. I, maybe I'm healed. Like maybe I'm actually. I definitely feel healed, but that is the moral and less of that, my, my like percentage that was getting from Ruti like exploded and my sensitivities literally went away with it overnight. Like I had nothing resonating in terms of like nutritional and energetic sensitivities. and what I've realized was it's not about elimination, it's partly about elimination. Like you gotta get rid of the heavy metal, you gotta get rid of. Parasite or whatever the thing might be, but some of it's just about management. It's about like teaching your body how to go deal with whatever the thing is so that body can just do it and then it doesn't matter. what you said to me, Josh, is basically who cares if you eliminate or don't eliminate if your body can completely handle it and basically eliminate any of the issue symptoms you were otherwise all of a sudden that.

Erin

Yeah, and just like from a physiological standpoint, like we are microbial beings. I read recently that over 90% of our genes are microbes. it's not that we're trying to get rid of all of these things, it's, you're exactly right. We're looking for balance or homeostasis so that all the systems can be functioning optimally. And really it's just when that toxin bucket gets so full to a point of overflow and then this cascade that often happens. But if your bucket is flowing so what if you go breathe in some heavy metals outside your mineral balance is there to protect you from heavy metals. it's all about balance.

Adam

Totally. That is absolutely, that's the way I can and do approach life. Now I feel better when I eat healthier, so I eat a certain way and maintain. Certain standards in my life just cuz it makes me happy. So that's my life. One more thing here. This is baffling to me. When I hear this argument, which I've heard through you all, and I'm people who do the scan and then don't do the remedies or don't do the scan scans and remedies, both are cheap. That is an affordable solution.

Erin

is an accountant,

Adam

doctor. Yeah, that's right. This talking is your neighborhood account friendly neighborhood account here. Scans and remedies are objectively cheap compared to other things. If I wanna go and I wanna go get some like imaging done or something like that, I might get a bill for a thousand dollars for just that one little image plus a doctor's appointment, which is gonna be basically cost of the scan generally, So that is objectively cheap to go through and do that process. But the other thing is, I know this from for a fact. Josh, you knew. No, this is a fact too. Being chronically ill, that is expensive. that was tens of thousands of dollars per year I was spending on medical care. Some of which insurances would cover, some of which I was going outside of insurance cuz they weren't giving, traditional medicine, wasn't giving me what a So I had to go outside and try these other types of things. Tens of thousands of dollars a year going away that now are not all of a sudden. I mean that is insane. for me and just speaking in my terms, I can literally. Buy an airplane, buy and finance fully an airplane for the cost of what I was spending on just medical care that I've now recovered in my life. That is a ridiculous argument. If anyone comes in and they're like, scans and remedies are expensive, let me tell you what's expensive is being chronically ill and not taking care of those things. Now, the other thing I'll say going one step further, that's just like objective fact. Cost in cost out, like immediate things. The other thing that is true, Josh, this happened with you. Big time happened with me. I got to a place where all of a sudden I started like feeling a little better, healing a little bit. All of a sudden my brain was on. All of a sudden I started seeing things, having ideas and all of that. Our business has exploded a crazy way, in a way that I'm like having conversations Like what now? Like do I want all of what, like the universe has now brought in to me.

Josh

Yep.

Adam

And I'm having to be like, that is a great idea. I just can't engage with it. I'm gonna have to wait three, five years to go after it. If I were gonna tally that up in terms of like dollar amounts and I've saved the rate of return, quote unquote, that I'm getting on healing, it's dumb. I mean, Really, I got what? I got a thousand percent rate of return or something like

Josh

my gosh. Crazy.

Adam

That's what I receive.

Josh

Oh, that's crazy. investment is in

Adam

And that's one year that's gonna compound and that's gonna go over a lifetime. I I can do, and I have done cuz I'm interested crazy calculations in the actual net present value of healing

Erin

Wow. That's crazy. We're gonna need, we're gonna need to do a part two podcast on the Just

Adam

people gonna

Erin

dive into the finances of healing.

Adam

that's a fact. finances appealing and chronic illness. It is expensive to be sick, and that's just a known fact. That's one of the number one causes of bankruptcy. We know that to be just a st like an actual

Erin

know that. Oh, I believe it. God, the people that I work with in the hospital, they, the medical bills. It's absurd. It's so sad to me. Oh, it's crazy. Not to mention, like you were saying, the opportunity costs not only are you financially suffering, like your life fucking sucks. Like it's just a double. Yeah. Yeah. So, Ugh. Thank you for saying that. And we really, I think we are gonna try to do a part two with our accountant Adam on the cost breakdown. Because it is a barrier for people. They look at, yeah. What's the scam now? Three 50. And that feels like big money, but if you've been to any doctor that is not covered by insurance, we were dropping 600 bucks for a 30 minute appointment. Like easy. Yeah. Yeah. When you break it down,

Adam

Unquestionably. it's 3 49 a month, by the way, not three 50.

Erin

Thank you. Thank you. Your Excel spreadsheet

Josh

is more accurate.

Adam

That's right. you're messing with my numbers here. I'm doing good calculations.

Erin

this is so good.

Adam

my advice.

Erin

I love it. Ugh, that was great

Josh

advice. We can't thank you enough for being on Like I said before, are just a beautiful human being. Yeah. And being able to see you be on the other side is a gift in and of itself. And like Erin said, you are our motivation. You are walking. That yet again, this works and that so many that are going through similar experiences as you and I can get to where you and I are, or even just half of where you and I are in just a few months, and to have somebody else that has, no financial or even really remote benefit outside of it, helping you with Ruti right? Is gigantis for other people to hear stories. Mine is biased because I'm a part of this. Yours, were good friends and you're my accountant but there's impact that's now a ripple effect in your life that I now have a front seat. Seeing what you're doing, not only for yourself, but for others that are directly connected to you and then outside of that entirely that you have no idea. The effects that you're having, so I'm thankful to be a part of this. Our last question that we now always ask is, what does freedom look like to you?

Adam

so this is my post 18 month answer, right? Like I would've, if you'd asked me that 18, 24 months ago, I would've given a completely different answer. But to me now in this stage, freedom is, to me it's simplicity. It's reducing, it's eliminating, it's simplifying, it's getting rid of until all that's left is peace, calm, and joy. That's just like my mantra. Peace, calm, and joy. If you've gotten to that place, like that is true freedom. And it's about doing what you want in life, uh, with the people that you want, just like very simply. But for me, That is, I've been with this Headspace with the resources too, just to be practical. Like now all of this stuff I've been able to go, I'm flying your planes again and doing that regularly. I'm playing music, I started taking piano lessons. I don't know why. I just was like, I wanna learn to play piano. able to travel more and spend more time with family friends and just do what I really love. So to me that. What I love and the people with whom I love spending time doing it, but it's about simplicity and there's a lot that goes into that. the physical component of that, the physical freedom to do that. There's a financial component of that, like not wanting more and constantly spinning up more and more stress and tension and anxiety, but just settling for what you have and being completely content in that and allowing that to be enough.

Erin

Let's, I love that answer. Let's go. Simplicity and Disney World for Adam,

Josh

This. Was

Erin

incredible. So good. Adam, thank

Josh

you. We've been giddy for months really to have you on this podcast, so I'm glad it finally happened.

Erin

Yeah.

Adam

I love the ability to sit and talk about this. I know that Anna is super grateful that I'm talking about it with you all And not sharing my continuous thoughts and feelings about how everyone should be doing this.

Erin

Oh, funny. Yes. This is the perfect outlet

Josh

to do that. Well, Y'all, this has been great. So good. Thanks for listening. Y'all have a great

Erin

day, Adam.

Josh

We love you, Adam.

Adam

you too guys.

Josh

Bye Bye