Erin

Hi everybody. What a do baby boo. Happy Monday. Is it Monday? It's Monday.

Josh

It is. Nothing but a manic

Erin

Monday. It feels very Monday

Josh

ish. Oh dude, it's freaking Monday. Strong Monday Vibes. What makes a Monday feel like a Monday for you?

Erin

A little existential. Dread a little. Needing some extra caffeination.

Josh

Oh, I could slam some king coffee right now, right? Ooh, here's what Mondays feel like for me. Ready? Mm-hmm. That's the best way I could describe Monday. Yeah.

Erin

Poor Monday. It's a bad

Josh

rap dude. Poor Monday. Poor Tuesday. What is a Tuesday? You have Mondays, which just suck. You have Wednesdays, which are hump day, right? Thursday's Friday, junior Friday. You're already into the weekend for sure. What is Tuesday? The forgotten day of the week? Yeah. It's that like awkward cousin. You're like, I have to love you, but you're kind of weird. That's Tuesday. That's Tuesday. One thing I noticed in the last podcast, you were just repeat.

Erin

That is a thing that I do and I've done since I was a child. Yeah. And I'm actually not insecure about it, but I notice I do it a lot. Yeah. I am insecure about it. It's space filler. I do it. Oh, for sure. It is. And I do it to make, what I think I'm doing is I'm trying to make the other person feel comfortable or like I heard

Josh

them. Yep. I was editing our podcast the other day and I was like, why does she just keep saying what I say? I'll be like, so here we are, and then you'll be like, so here we are. So unpredictable. You know what? I dislike my laugh. Really? Yeah. I edit it and I'm like,

Erin

oh, my voice doesn't bother me anymore. That was

Josh

a thing. Oh yeah. If anything, go ahead. It was a thing. I p Holmes interrupted you. You sure did.

Erin

Go for it, kiddo. Oh, that's really all I had to say. It used to bother me to listen to my own voice on a podcast and now,

Josh

oh. I find comfort in my own voice now. Aw. Yep. It's kinda weird. That is a little bit, maybe cuz I edited so

Erin

much. Little bit narcissistic of you, but

Josh

how are you? Good. That's good.

Erin

Yeah, I feel, how do I feel? I haven't honestly thought about how I feel yet today, which is a problem cuz it's 2:00 PM Is it 2 0 9? 2 0 9. I feel a little bit directionless today, which is a common theme of my life. Yep. But I'm not letting it derail me. Just, I feel like we're in a season that is requiring a lot of us. We're on the brink of something large and I just don't know where to start a lot of

Josh

the days. Totally. Yeah. It could be difficult.

Erin

So that's how I am. How are you?

Josh

About the same really? Yeah. Yeah. I don't necessarily know if I feel directionless. I just feel like I'm a lot of antsy. Yeah. And I'm just right at our row,

Erin

got all this pent up

Josh

energy. I don't have pent up energy. I just am antsy for the next phase. Yeah. Cause it feels like we're doing a whole lot of preparation and we're at that point where we're ready. Yeah. And so it's like, all right, let's

Erin

roll. We've both been doing a lot of work for free. We have the knowing that it will eventually, you know? Yeah. But

Josh

it just is and socials for both of us is just difficult. I know. Yeah. So I think it's difficult because our brains are fried. We're wrangling a almost five year old. And. We just like don't have enough time to put into everything socials feels like the one thing that always just gets put on the back burner at all times. But the only way to grow in so many ways is social. It's so annoying.

Erin

there was a, I don't know if it was a TikTok or a real sound forever ago that was like, I am a small business owner, and therefore now I need to be a content creator. So here's the content

Josh

fact. It is

Erin

what it feels like. I know I try not to like hate it, but I just, it's not my favorite. It's just difficult. And it's sometimes it feels like a creative outlet, to be honest. Like sometimes I do enjoy it, but then when it just feels like we're feeding the beast, it's ugh, I just, it feels

Josh

yucky. Yeah. I think I have so many ideas in my head, but all of them take a long time. Yeah. And I

Erin

wanna oh, go ahead. I just, I want to deliver something that is of value to like our

Josh

followers. Yeah. I don't want it to be an easy post, like space filler. The difficult thing about that though, is you spend so much time on a single post and then it just, goes down your grid. And you're like, oh, I spent so much time on that one. Yeah.

Erin

It didn't get any, not everybody

Josh

cherishes it like I do. Yeah. It didn't get any traction. And there it goes off our grid. Yeah. it's that balance of how do you build out these campaigns, do photo shoots video. And make it relevant and not feed the beasts. It's just like a living, breathing piece of our company. Yeah. That's how you have to look at it. It's just like the website. We're updating the website all the time, but we have literally a full agency on staff,

Erin

so the dream is to one day, hire somebody who's really great at social and understands

Josh

their vision totally. Preferably like 10 years younger. Yeah, please. Gen Zers. They're so good. They're so good, but we didn't grow up on it, so it makes a whole

Erin

lot of sense. Know, TikTok makes me feel ancient. I love interacting with them. Consuming you? Love consuming. I don't really spend a ton of time on it during the day just for my own mental health, but if I'm on TikTok, I'm usually working or taking a shit. But. But when I try to post on there, I feel so old. It's like Instagram feels like my native tongue, and TikTok feels like I'm speaking different languages.

Josh

the composition of video is really what always will be.

Erin

Like the content

Josh

itself? Yeah. I mean, YouTube came along. Socials and TikTok is exclusively video. I know Instagram's wanting us to post more static imagery, but video they're, or video is gonna be a win. It's just encouraging multi-platform use. Okay. They don't want you to just create on TikTok and then post your TikTok video on Instagram. Gotcha. That's just

Erin

competition. They don't wanna be

Josh

your side piece, but you have YouTube reels and you have YouTube and TikTok and. Instagram reels and all the, wait,

Erin

can we just, for a moment, it just feels so funny to me that this is like what humanity has come to. we stare at tiny screens all day. I

Josh

know. It's pretty crazy. What I would imagine that if this, these platforms didn't exist though. So many businesses would just remain really small. So there is an ecosystem to this, and I've learned so many things on TikTok. You, there's good and bad to both. All I'm saying is as we grow our company, social is a mandatory platform. Yeah. And there's so much creativity that can be done in that, but. As a brand, it's really expensive and time consuming to build out those campaigns. Yeah. And right now we're doing it all ourselves. We are. it gets overwhelming pretty quickly.

Erin

And it's easy to feel uninspired, I think, cuz it's just like the way that people, I think we forget, like the way that we are inspired is by living, like living our

Josh

lives. Yeah. And be inspired by others. Yeah. Depends on your creativity,

Erin

but if you're constantly have your face in a little screen and that's like your inspiration is watching other people's videos that they post to their little screen, I don't feel sometimes you can be inspired by that. Yes, you can, but I don't feel like it's like the ultimate, best. I agree. Form of

Josh

inspiration. I also think that We think too much into it. We just need to post it. Not true. Erin will sit there for like 45 minutes on a freaking caption and I'll be like, literally

Erin

four people are gonna read the caption. Erin. Like literally it doesn't matter. I know, people need to understand about blood sugar balance and Yeah, write a whole novel for them.

Josh

Anyway. But yeah, I feel antsy. I'm ready to roll. I'm ready to travel. un obligation travel, non obligation, what would that word be?

Erin

Obligatory, non obligatory. There's a better word for sure.

Josh

I'm really excited for our upcoming trips, but there's. a schedule. Yeah. To our trips. Right. Which is less of an exhale.

Erin

We're going with a purpose. Yeah. So to get our

Josh

friends married. Yeah. I really am longing for a trip where that doesn't exist. Mm-hmm. Because even the Wisdom 2.0 out in San Francisco was awesome, but there still was a schedule that Yeah. Had to be taken into consideration. So

Erin

if you could go anywhere next week, where would you go? Oh, I'd go

Josh

west real fast. Mm-hmm. West Coast. Coast. That's how I feel. Overall pretty good. I feel like my creativity is lower than normal. I just need to get inspired and then it'll be back. I think I've just been I'll output. I'll output. I'll output. I'll output for a year. Yeah. With little to know breaks. Yeah. Rest. Yep. I need just an exhale. So here we are.

Erin

Here we are building multiple businesses. I guess we knew what we signed up for. Right? What are we talking about today?

Josh

We do have a fun campaign that we're gonna build into an evergreen piece of Rudy, which I'm really excited about. Yeah. It's called Healing is a Habit. Yes. And it's gonna be everywhere. I'm very excited about it. Yeah. The world is gonna know this. Healing is hot. Here we are. Yeah, we've got some fun merch coming out with it. We're gonna do a bunch of campaigns, even highlight some practitioners and people in the mindfulness space. We're gonna do entire social campaigns on it. Video. We're gonna have some podcasts specifically around it. Yeah, it's gonna be really fun. I'm excited about it. Me too. You, you kind of have had healing. Is a habit as a motto for a minute. Yeah. And I think we finally got on board with it

Erin

all. I know I kept telling you and Laura guys, I think this could be cool. Yeah. Could we do it? Yeah. I think, I know I'm not the creative one, but I think this is cool. And then finally I talked you into it.

Josh

I'm excited about that. I think we have a lot of good ideas to come out of that. It's gonna hopefully inspire my creativity and the merchant we have, coming out like yeah, we're gonna have. sweatshirts and hats and totes and yada yada. But we're trying to partner with a couple artisans to create some really specific pieces of merch that directly align with how healing can be a habit. Yeah, I'm really excited about that. It should be good. Yeah,

Erin

I am too. I am a person who really struggles in the willpower department. So for me, Healing is a habit, is just a reminder. Like in my experience, Things that have really shifted my life or changed my trajectory have been these like pretty small but daily habits. Yeah. That eventually become mindless. Like I don't even think it's like brushing your teeth, we think that healing has to be hard and really confusing and complex, and sometimes there's those things too, but I don't know. Sometimes it's just a matter of waking up, brush your teeth.

Josh

I think we're reaching to broader demographics outside of chronic illness too, and I think encouraging these healing habits. Are going to hopefully block the journey to go into chronic illness too. Yeah. If we start to build awareness and all these healing modalities and even just these practices like mindfulness, meditation, breath work, yoga That we can build in this community for these habits to hopefully nip it in the ass. So not so many people are tanking into chronic illness. Mm-hmm. That seems to be one of the biggest problems to date is that nobody's necessarily recognizing all of these certain symptoms or signs that you're heading into the chronic illness stage. And so if we can build that awareness, I think it's gonna be pretty impactful.

Erin

Yeah especially like you go to your primary care doctor and nine and a half outta 10 times, if you tell them you have. Anything. Yeah. Aside from giant red flags symptoms, you're just like, we'll see what happens. Yeah. You're just left to your own devices, really. Oh, we get some labs, a couple things are high, a couple things are low, but nobody's proactive when it comes to health or wellness. should be a good

Josh

campaign. Excited, and I'm excited it's gonna be evergreen, so we're gonna build it as a Rudy motto.

Erin

I'm excited. I can't wait to wear all the merch. What else is new?

Josh

Something that's been coming up in the past couple weeks we are starting to see groups of people in certain stages of the healing journey. In Rudy. we get these waves of people that come in and then they all are on the same trajectory in a way where we're starting to see people heal. That's been talked about, like Adam is freaking rocking it. And then we have people that are in the middle, and then people just starting. And it seems that we have conversations with all of those groups kind of around the same time. So right now we have a decent amount of people that are in that middle phase. Where they've done one, two, maybe three scans moving into 3, 4, 5 scans. And that's kind of a really interesting spot to be in your healing journey because specifically when you're going through Rudy, you start to. Feel and identify progression, and you're like, wait, I don't have this symptom anymore, or I don't have this one. But the weird part about, maybe it's not weird, you could scientifically tell me why, but from somebody that's gone through it, one of the weird parts is you'll see symptoms subside, but new symptoms will arise because you're getting deeper and deeper into those roots of what's causing you to be sick to begin with. So you'll have. span of days where you feel awesome, but then you may have a week where you feel like shit. And before you forget that you never had a week of good and you weren't even able to have those stretches. But once you have them, you forget that there was bad, if that makes sense. Mm-hmm. So when the bad comes in, you get salty. Yeah. And you get pissed you start to get sad and then you get depressed and then you. Get super down and you get stuck in a rut. That was right around the time when I started doing my morning mantras. Mm-hmm. I was on like my third or fourth scan and I started to get super depressed cuz I felt like I'm never gonna heal. Even though some of my symptoms have gone away, new symptoms have come and replaced them. And it's a conversation that multiple people have been reaching out to me about of like, Help. What do I do? I'm so down, I'm so depressed, I'm annoyed. I'm frustrated. I'm even starting to get like pissed off at this a little bit. that is probably the most difficult part of the entire journey. Yeah. And without the right tools, the modalities, the mindsets, how you're framing things in life and how you're approaching your habits is going to determine the. Which way you're gonna go. It's definitely a pivotal moment in the healing journey. One of the most difficult pieces of the healing journey, or just being chronically ill, is the mind is so good at forgetting how bad it gets. Yeah. And so when you feel good, you immediately default back to how you used to be. even for the longest time, I'd feel good, I'd stop meditating. My diet would go off, I'd add coffee back in. I would do high intensity interval training, CrossFit, all these things that were me at one point where I was thriving. But can't be me going forward because my body is not wanting that. Multiple people in the past couple weeks have reached out to me in that stage where they fell back into, I don't wanna say fell back in, but they defaulted back to their lifestyle before they got sick. Yeah. And that lifestyle is partially what brought them into sickness. And so you have to like reframe and shift the lifestyle and understand that your life's gonna be different for the rest of your life.

Erin

Yeah, this idea of freedom, and we've talked about this so often on this podcast and just within Rudy, our goal is always for people to. Be free. Yeah. Like we don't want lifelong customers. I know it's not a great business plan, but we want you to like it's a great

Josh

fucking business plan. What are you talking about? Just say like as soon as they're not a customer, they're gonna be like, have you heard of Rudy?

Erin

True. I'm just saying we don't wanna be like the next green big pharma. That's like trying to keep you coming back for more. Yeah.

Josh

There's plenty of fish out in the sea of illness. I think we're good.

Erin

It's true. But. We have to start redefining what freedom is and what that looks like. Yeah, because that's, exactly what you were saying. If we continue to heal to a stage, revert back to exactly what we were doing, that forced us into this imbalance, state of disease, whatever you wanna call it, we're gonna be on that hamster wheel for the rest of our lives. And it reminds me what Dr. Gabo mate talks about with addiction, how it's okay, instead of why the addiction, like why the pain? Yeah. Like why we need to go one more layer. so instead of why am I always sick? It's like, no, Why do I feel the need for X, Y, and Z behavior X, Y, and Z, whatever it is. Yeah. Whether it's diet, lifestyle. Relationships. What is it that's contributing to this hamster wheel cycle Yeah. That so many of us are stuck on. Let's go one layer deeper and try to get to that root too. Yeah. Remedies and all these things are gonna be really helpful for the physical side, and we have a lot of the homeopathics, and even some herbs and stuff can help with some of these emotional things too. But it's not gonna do the like deep psychological analysis, we gotta do

Josh

that. what I've noticed definitely in my journey and now watching other people go through a similar journey in healing, is that there comes a time where you have this tipping point where you go from the body to the mind. Exactly. What I've talked about multiple times in the podcast is it feels like there is a chronological order. To the body, the mind, the spirit. when you're three or four scans in, you've done some work and you're starting to find some progression in healing in many ways for most, more healing than you've ever seen. You have those weeks, months, days for some people. Mm-hmm. Of just really good. And you feel back to normal, you're thriving, you. Have that decision to move into the mindfulness space to work on the mind The body for so long has been in this SOS mode that it's been really difficult to focus on the mind and the spirit because all you are essentially doing is working on surviving on a daily basis. Yeah. As you start to heal. You begin to be reminded that there's so many other modalities that exist to help you get through your days, and you start to be motivated and you start to be encouraged by others and all of these things, and so many people that are sick know these modalities of whatever, meditation, breath, work, psilocybin, ayahuasca, yoga, it doesn't matter what it is. We are now very well aware of all of these, but when you're in such an sos, it's hard to focus on anything else. And I remember my mindfulness game was in the gutter. Even doing it, it was just like, I'm doing it, but this isn't doing anything. And maybe it was, I just. Wasn't doing it to know if it was or wasn't, but I get to the point where my body is healed enough that I gotta get on my mental game. Or else I could fall back into being really sick. And that tipping point is that. Pivotal moment where you gotta decide whether you just wanna live the lifestyle that you were living or you wanna reimagine what life could be like healed, and go that route. And that's when you take that step into the mindfulness game and really start working on the mind, because that battleground of chronic illness in those stages where you're in the middle is going to be sometimes the hardest because now you have so much good to compare it to when you're chronically ill. And you find Rudy, you probably have been sick for a really long time and you can't remember what a good day feels like. So then when you're reminded of them, the temptation to go back.

Erin

Well, to pick up where you left off before illness took

Josh

over. Yeah. That's the default. Your brain and body want to do that. Yeah. But you have to recognize that there is going to inevitably have to be some shifts in your life. That are going to require optimization in order for you to continue on the path of healing. It's just mandatory.

Erin

Yeah. And this is a silly example, but I was thinking the other day, so we took our almost five year old to her first like movie theater experience. Mm-hmm. And we could have totally, absolutely. Gone to the concession stand, gotten popcorn, gotten candy, all the things. I am not about, creating fear around food. I think food is amoral. But I am also aware of the fact that there are a lot of junk ingredients and movie theater, popcorn and candy that they sell. And I can't unknow that, right? So for me, I'm like, okay, what feels freer and more aligned? Cuz that's always a question I'm asking myself now. Does it feel like freedom to be able to go to the concession stand and get movie theater popcorn? honestly some, an, some days? That answer might be yes.

Josh

I think the biggest difference in how you will answer that versus how I will answer that is you're not comparing it to what could happen. By making those decisions over and over where I have a real life journey of chronic illness that I find joy and freedom in watching people enjoy those types of foods, if that is their freedom. Yeah. It's not mine.

Erin

That's what I'm saying. So does it feel free and aligned for me to get movie theater popcorn? There may genuinely be days for me that answer is yes. Sure. For that day when I like really took a second to Go inside and ask myself that question. I was like, I like my own popcorn. And we have great, organic popcorn that I can make here with grass-fed butter and I can throw it in a backpack. Mm-hmm. And it's gonna be just as delicious. My child won't know the difference. She doesn't care. And some people would probably look at a person and be like, you are batshit crazy. Go get your kids some movie theater popcorn. Yeah, wow, you're whatever. But for me in that moment I was like, that's not freedom. To me, freedom is like you were saying, I know that I wouldn't feel great after a ju Yeah. Because I also know myself and I know I cannot stop eating popcorn facts, so I would eat the whole bucket. That is such a fact. And I would have such a bellyache after for sure. Why not just bring our own, we brought our own, we brought our own cleaner version of candy. We brought our own popcorn. so like sometimes that is what freedom looks like. it's just like a case by case, day by day, hour by hour. Like you gotta get good at asking yourself what's freedom and what's you just trying

Josh

to like. Yeah. But when you're in the middle of healing there's sacrifices that have to be made because your body is an overdrive. It is working so hard. Mm-hmm. It's just having to make those decisions of like for now I can't do this. And Right. Immediately. It's not even what is freedom? What freedom is, especially when you're chronic illness is not being chronically ill. Yeah. And so you're gonna have those good days where you're gonna feel like you're back. But if you're not fully there, you're gonna have some days that are difficult and you have to weigh. The consequences of lifestyle decisions or falling off a little bit on certain practices or habits or whatever. All I'm saying is what is needed inside of that moment is one support. You have to have people that are just in your corner rooting you on. Yeah. DM me, I will be your number one fan. Ask Aaron. I'm a professional encourager. Yes. I know how to make you feel good. Two, surrounding yourself with people that also have been on the journey to be able to relate to you. Because what happens is when you get so down in the dumps, I remember it making me sicker. Yeah. Because then I'm like, this isn't worth it. Like why am I working so hard on this to only feel sick? Mm-hmm. Still, it takes time to heal it took me 10 to 12. I was super sick. 10 to 12 scans until I felt like I was freaking superhuman. But I can't deny that I was seeing progress throughout the entire thing. New symptoms would arise because I was digging into root causes, but my anxiety would be gone, or my dizziness or some of my depression or Heart helps nerve pain. Literally, we go on a list and watch them disappear as I'm going through things. But it is still a journey. And there are gonna be difficult pieces to that. Yeah. Third, I think setting really strict practices during this period is more important than any other period in the healing journey. So setting routines to help you not fall off of practices. I was telling somebody the other day, like meditation and the mantras were really big. To me, those were non-negotiables. Because I was getting so depressed and down and frustrated and pissed that if I didn't counteract those with something, I was just gonna get worse and worse again. I was gonna fall off even on taking my remedies cuz I would've been like, what the fuck? This is pointless. Why am I even doing this? There is those practices that keep yourself accountable, but also keep your mind in check because. That becomes one of the more difficult pieces inside of, that's kind of like the tipping point. You gotta start focusing on that mindfulness and the mind period, or else the progression's just gonna be a little slower or sometimes get worse.

Erin

And those non-negotiables, sometimes it can be helpful to just take the decision fatigue out of it a little bit. It's like no matter what, I'm waking up and I'm doing this a hundred percent. That's just how my day is gonna go. It's

Josh

not and I let e everyone around me know. Yeah. Like y'all, this is my non-negotiables. I'm gonna go to bed at this time. Don't talk to me at X o'clock because I'm gonna be in my meditation. Yeah. And you have to be a little selfish in that. You are healing and there's gonna be a time and place where you don't have to do that. today, Or even yesterday, like Zoe woke up earlier or whatever, and I didn't get to my meditation. I even told you, I was like, Hey, I'm gonna go take 10 minutes. Yeah. If it's cool with you, it didn't have to be at that exact same time or whatever. Sure. I just knew I needed to get it in to get the day right. And I can be a little more flexible in that, or it doesn't have to be 20 minutes or whatever. But when you're in the midst everything's coming to a head, you're. 3, 4, 5 scans in like, you're in the deep shit now.

Erin

Yeah. all the superficial

Josh

layers are getting back exactly like you are in it now when you're super sick, one, two, and three scans in. you've taken care of some things that may have been rearing its head with symptoms, but maybe weren't the root causes and now you're in it. Locking in is so key. Yeah. And if I can encourage anybody in that, just holler because. I've been through it and I've watched other people be in that and get to the other side, and it seems to be the same for everyone. Where you get to that point where you're like, I'm pissed. Yeah. This is stupid. Yeah. you are so close. There's that analogy where like you see those two people digging and the dude gives up right before he gets to the gold. Oh yeah. And it's the same thing. You're like, oh, you are so close. I think Lauren Ledbetter in the podcast that we recorded with her talks about how like you're climbing up this hill and you see the clouds and you have no idea what's above the clouds. But when you get above the clouds, you're like, whoa. Like this is crazy. And sure, you may still have somewhere to climb to get up to the top of the hill, but you're above the clouds. That's this phase. You're literally at the clouds. You just gotta walk through the clouds. Cause I promise you something, good's on the other side. Yeah. Sorry. Thanks for coming to my TED talk, y'all.

Erin

No, that was great. I'm trying to think of how, because I know your personality type, you don't struggle with willpower. Yeah. You don't struggle with Rigidity for you is

Josh

what got me into chronic illness and what got me outta chronic illness.

Erin

Exactly. Yeah. So if you were talking with a personality type that was maybe closer to mine, where I am not very internally motivated all the time. Yeah. I have external motivations, which are to make other people happy I'm tr just trying to think how I encourage a person. Start small. Me?

Josh

Yeah. You have to start small. I had big non-negotiables. Because I'm rigid first of all, I love a routine and efficiency is a sweet spot for me. If none of that exists, just start small. Just as an example, meditation or even just mantras. Stew it for five minutes. Yeah. You stay in bed. there are so many right or slash wrong ways to do things. Like everyone has their own opinions. Who gives a shit? just start? Yeah. if it's even literally saying mantras in the mirror as you're brushing your teeth. Don't create a goal that you can fail in. Yeah, that's important for me. Make it so easy. So literally it could be like, okay, for the next three days straight, I'm gonna say these mantras over and over as I brush my teeth for two minutes. And just win. And then as soon as you do those three days, say, okay, I'm gonna do it for seven, and on top of that I'm gonna add in blank. And win at that, and then move on. Don't just add everything in the kitchen sink to your list of non-negotiables and practices. Almost inevitably forcing you to

Erin

fail. Yeah. It's like we get so much because of social media and because of how connected we all are and we're seeing so much, and we're being told all day long all the things we should be doing. Wake up and meditate and drink your apple cider vinegar and take an ice bath and sauna and do yoga and stretch and do mobility work and blah, blah, blah. It's okay, and everyone just says just. 15 minutes a day or just, and you're like, okay, great. Now my day's full. We actually

Josh

talk about that a decent amount now, like on this side we're like, I feel like we're doing so many healing modalities that half my day's

Erin

gone.

Josh

yeah, the sauna, you have the cold plunge you have working out, you have meditation, sometimes breath work, and you're just like, holy shit. That was four to five hours of my day. You just

Erin

turned into a southerner.

Josh

I was gonna say five, but I wanted to start at

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four.

Erin

A four to five hours. yeah, I love setting a goal that is reasonable and achievable. Recently, I think it was, there was a new moon and I was like, okay, I'm gonna meditate 20 minutes twice a day for this entire moon cycle. And the problem for me is, First of all, I loved it. Like the first five days or whatever it was amazing. Inertia is your thing. Yes. So like I get started, I go, but then as soon as one day it became difficult. Difficult. Mm-hmm. Or felt like I didn't have time. as soon as it tweaks just a little bit oh, I only did 15 minutes that morning. Yep. Then I begin to lose my momentum and then I'm like to hell with it all. Yeah. And that is a pattern of mine that I like, frustrates me a lot, but it's, I've heard people talk about this with AA too, where it's like that whole, you get like a token for, seven days and then for every year and blah, blah, blah. But then one day like resets your entire sobriety, right? And then it almost becomes this mentality of I'm just gonna go blow up my life again then. Yeah. Because I just reset the clock, yeah. It's super

Josh

helpful for some, but it's not for

Erin

all. Yeah, probably what would've been a better goal for me would be either five minutes, twice a day, or 20 minutes once a day or 20 minutes. However, I wanna break it up throughout the day. Yeah. Then I may have been more likely to actually stick with it. I still was meditating, but definitely not 20 minutes, twice a day the whole time. Sure. if even 20 minutes, once a day or whatever feels like way too much, there are things you can do to overlap with things you're already doing. Brushing your teeth was one example. Another one that I think can be really helpful for a lot of different reasons is meshing. Eating with some sort of mindfulness for a couple reasons. Number one, we all have to eat, right? So you're gonna be doing that, ideally three times a day, hopefully. And so maybe just for one of those meals focusing on. Sending your body into that state before you eat. taking five deep belly breaths, having a moment of gratitude or even just focusing on chewing your food. it can be that simple. Sure. And that's enough to build this mindfulness practice. all I'm trying to say is it doesn't have to take a ton of time. That's time that you are gonna be spent eating, chewing anyway. You might as well be mindful about it, Yeah, I don't know. I'm just, I'm trying to think of all my kindred spirits out there that struggled to be consistent and

Josh

just set yourself up to succeed. Yeah. Whatever that looks like. And let it be super small to start if it's really difficult to get going or to continue going. Just have points of success over and over. Test out things and give yourself grace. If it's not vibing with you, don't keep doing it. Yeah. Find what works and find what doesn't. And over time you're gonna start to fall in love with things and start to see impacts of those. I think I would start things. Give myself huge goals almost with the motivation to fail. So I could say that I tried it, but it didn't work for me. Oh gosh. Yeah. That resonates. And I think if I would've started smaller given myself the chance to succeed, I probably would've fallen in love with a bunch of different modalities a lot faster. Yeah.

Erin

Other just like very easy, simple examples. King Coffee is okay, every day I'm at least getting some. Medicinal mushrooms in my body. And I'm not thinking about it at all. And I actually enjoy it now. Yeah. That took a second because we were like coffee snobs before, we would make pour overs every morning, It's easy. I do not think twice about it. Yeah. It's just my routine in the morning I eat my breakfast and then I drink my king coffee. Same thing with like our little morning movement. We have like it's, what do you think? 10 minutes or less? I

Josh

don't know. I keep inching it up longer and longer. Classic. I know.

Erin

I keep it to the basic 10 minutes. It's a minimum of 10 minutes. Yeah. But it's just like activating our core just wakes us up in the morning. Pushups. Yeah. a little win in the morning. Yeah. Which always feels good. and I allow myself, because I know myself, Sundays I can take off if I want. I don't have to, but I can take off if I want and I can sleep in that extra 30 minutes or whatever. But otherwise, that is mindless now. That's another thing that I can look at back and be like, okay, that. For the first week felt like a challenge. Sure. Now it feels like my morning, like it's no big deal. And there's so many things. I don't know. I saw a video recently that was like, has there been growth? Did you see that TikTok? No. She was great. She was painting or something and she looked at the camera and goes, has there been growth? Uhuh? I didn't say like, how much growth? Has there been growth? Yeah. And you're like, yes. If you look backward for sure. And see where you were. It's really easy to get down on ourselves and feel like there's not been enough growth or we haven't learned enough or we haven't changed or transformed enough. And it's no, look back at five years ago. You has there been growth and then let it be. Pat yourself on the back and

Josh

continue on. Agreed. did you find that it was helpful that

Erin

I was doing it too? A hundred percent. I was just about to say find, if you don't have a partner, that's totally fine. Just DM me. Yeah. Yeah. DM us or find. A person in your life who you feel values, growth, values, what health or whatever that would be interested in picking up a new habit with you because it makes it so much easier.

Josh

Honestly, just simple conversations with somebody else. Yeah. Like Say you're doing, practice that I'm not. I will genuinely care and listen about how it was for you that day. Yeah. And I'll share my experience with whatever practice that I did. If yours was yoga and mine was meditation, we still could share Yeah. Our experiences and have each other as accountable partners. Yeah. Without having to do the same practice. Yeah. So like you legit DM me and I will genuinely be curious about whatever came up in your practice that day. If that helps you stay accountable to yourself and continues to help you heal. I'm game slide in. I'm serious though. Yeah. Yeah. it's having people around you that can support you inside of those practices. Having people around you that have gone through the journey that it can courage you to keep going and not to give up.

Erin

And if you don't have one, there's one sitting right here, you listening

Josh

to him, three. It's not sending yourself out to fail. Start small. Find the things that you love and give yourself grace through those, because there's plenty of practices out there. A million of'em. Everyone says that theirs is the best. Yeah. The best is the one that you can maintain Right. On a daily basis. That is the best one for you. Yeah. It's been a topic of conversation. And for a bunch of people right now. And I think it's important to recognize that healing is a habit. It is. Boom, babe. I see you. Cool. That's all I got for today. I think that's all I have. Thanks for coming to my TED

Erin

Talk. Thanks for driving the bus. It works better when you drive there, dude.

Josh

Tell me about

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it.

Erin

In real life, you drive better than I do, but also in conversations, I think my role is wing woman, You're a great wing woman. Yeah, and I don't feel lesser for it. I feel like that's where you did spark the topics today. Also healing as a habit was my full on idea, so yeah. Oh, for

Josh

sure. That's yours. I own that. No, I'm just kidding.

Erin

I'm trademarking it under only me. No, I am learning that. It's not like a bad thing

Josh

or It absolutely is not. We've got our

Erin

lanes. Yeah. I'm picking my lane and it's actually just the side car of your motorcycle.

Josh

Oh my gosh. I could see us in 30 years. Yeah. With our goggles. Good times. Good times. Well, Y'all, thanks for listening to this one. Hopefully it resonates with one of you

Erin

after every podcast. We're like who

Josh

knows? Sending that out and then I still gotta edit it, so I'm like, I have no idea how this is gonna sound. Oh, here we are.

Erin

Here we are. I got you.

Josh

Okay. Love you. Love you guys. Bye.