Erin

Hi everybody. What a do

Josh

baby boo. You a special guest. The best guest anyone would ever want to have. Mm-hmm.

Erin

tell us your name.

Zoe

My name is Zoe.

Josh

What a do zoe Boo. How you doing? Good. Did you have a good day at school? Yeah. Tell me your funniest part. Mm.

Zoe

Playing on the playground.

Josh

Oh, dude. The best. How many times did you get to play on the playground today? Two times. Two

Erin

times

Josh

noise. What

Zoe

I should tell them my favorite amino. Definitely. Go for it. My favorite"aminal" is giraffe, hippos and bunnies.

Josh

Ooh, those are good ones.

Erin

Do you think they all get along giraffe, hippos and bunnies? What the,

Josh

I think bunnies would be best friends with hippos. Yeah. So cute. can you tell us a little bit about how your remedies are going?

Zoe

We have them every day,

Josh

How twice a

Zoe

day,

Josh

kind of. Yep. How's your belly feeling? Good. I feel like you complain a lot less about your belly hurting. I wouldn't even say complaining. You just would let us know that your belly was hurting? Mm-hmm. Do you feel like your belly's hurting less?

Erin

Mm. Yeah.

Josh

Yeah. And I know your poops are fantastic.

Zoe

Daddy always says

Erin

that. What were your poops like before you started remedies? diarrhea,

Josh

but what are they now? Go

Erin

healthy logs I do think your belly's bothering you, Les. What other things do we do to help your body heal right now?

Josh

what'd you, what were you wearing last night?

Zoe

Constellation Pajama.

Erin

That

Josh

too, that for sure helps your body. It does. But what were you wearing underneath your pajamas? Maybe around your stomach.

Erin

your liver to be exact. My pack? Yeah. Your cast. Oil. Oil. Your cast oil.

Zoe

Castor oil. Yep.

Josh

Yes. And then have you been taking detox baths? Yeah.

Erin

Do you remember what we put in what?

Josh

In the detox baths?

Erin

Um, I forget, we put half a cup of Epsom salt and a couple tablespoons of baking soda.

Josh

And then how about what you put on your feet?

Zoe

Magnesium

Josh

lotion. Yeah. Does that help you sleep? Yes. I feel like you've been sleeping a lot better since you started your remedies. Mm-hmm. Would you agree?

Erin

Yes, baby.

Josh

And your mood has been a lot

Erin

better. That's true. You were a little bit grouchy

Josh

before we started rubbing. You were. Maybe because your stomach was grouchy. Yeah. It wasn't

Erin

your fault.

Zoe

Yeah.

Josh

But you have been significantly more pleasant.

Erin

So we are here as a family to introduce another member of our family, kind of our soul family. Who

Zoe

do you call? Auntie Laura.

Josh

Auntie Laura. Dude. She's the best. Is she not? Her and I co-founded Pique. She also is a co-founder of Ruti. Mm-hmm. With, so this is the infamous Laura that we talk about all the time. She's finally on the

Erin

podcast. I know. Finally. Long overdue. but especially exciting because her and I had the experience of doing something called Kambo, K A M B O, together over the weekend, and it was pretty spectacular. So excited. It was pretty wild. Excited to share our experience.

Josh

Yeah. Keep in mind that this was like three hours after you guys did combo, so this is as fresh as fresh could be. Definitely. So all of this is kind of pure reaction. We'll definitely do another podcast after you guys have processed through the experience, but I actually liked doing it right after. Yeah, because there were certain things that were fresh on the mind that probably would dissolve over time as you're processing. So hopefully it's impactful and informative to everyone listening.

Erin

Totally. Yeah, and I probably will do another episode, just you and I diving deeper into my experience. We had limited time with Laura, so I wanted to get mostly her for sure. Her experience, but I'm excited for you guys to hear it.

Josh

Yeah, this is a good one.

Erin

I did have one. What's the word? Fact check. Sure. we were referring to an eye drop that was part of our Kambo ceremony. Mm-hmm. And I think we called it sga, but it's actually sga.

Josh

Mm-hmm. Don't put suranga in your eye,

Erin

it'll go wrong. I dunno. So we'll get more into the nitty gritty one. We have Anastasia on, which we talk about. in this episode, but, you know, just take everything we say with a grain of salt

Josh

relating to Kama. Sit back, relax and listen to Erin and Laura talk about how they purged for three days. Yeah, good times, good times, great times. Well, y'all enjoy. Love you. Bye

Erin

bye.

Josh

When did you decide to start doing Kambo?

Laura

Well, I had heard a podcast, you probably sent it to me a while back. At least a year. And that's when I started getting really curious about it. So it's been on my radar for a while. And then the one person we knew of was, Not doing it for a while. Mm-hmm. So it was kind of like a well, when she comes back and offers it, maybe we'll go to Utah and do that. Yeah. And then the opportunity presented itself and Aaron met somebody here and got connected in Columbus and yeah, it all just worked, but it's been over a year of thinking about it. Yeah.

Josh

It's around the same time you started

Erin

thinking about it. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was more so January where I really. Was like actively seeking a practitioner. Yeah. But there's just nobody here that I could find. Like when I would go to all the websites and look for the websites I was aware of and look for practitioners, it was like, there's one guy up in Cleveland, but just, I don't know, it was like all that was available was his email and I'd, I don't know, it felt like not super professional, I guess. Yeah.

Josh

Um, kind of Wild. It's a hard that you guys chose to do

Laura

it in Columbus, Ohio. Yeah. It's a hard thing to just Google, you know? yeah. And

Erin

so when I got a, like a personal kind

Josh

of trying to find a dealer Yeah,

Laura

yeah. Speaking from experience, which I don't do anymore. So Yeah, you take a different approach to it, but yeah. That personal recommendation Yes. Of somebody and then letting it fester is a big thing in this spiritual medicine of like mm-hmm. you feel the calling, you explore it even with an opportunity. I think that's part of all of this. Yeah. Waiting till your intuition is ready and then the universe also aligns Yeah. For the right time, which like this weekend happened to. Yeah. But it could have been any weekend. But yeah, the fact that it's in Columbus is wild. I grew

Josh

up here. Yeah. I think also with this type of medicine or anything alternative really it's called alternative for reason. It's not mainstream. So you're not having a bunch of peer pressure. Mm-hmm. Of like, oh, try acid. All my friends are doing it. They are, is like, yeah, not, not currently. Maybe they are, I don't know. you have to get there on your own journey because in this type of medicine, nobody is peer pressuring. You're into it. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's part of the beauty of it is. Mm-hmm. Your intuition kind of ignites. Yeah. And you start thinking about it, but. Your body knows when it's ready to do what it wants

Laura

to do. Yeah. That curiosity has to get strong enough. Yeah. Yeah.

Erin

And some of it is just like divinely guided because I was going to do it with my dad months ago. Yeah. But then as we started exploring more, realized that he has some contraindications with Kambo with his heart and blood pressure and things like that. And at first I was super disappointed'cause I was really excited to have that experience with my dad. What a unique thing to do with your dad. Yeah. We often find ourselves like, I'll call my dad after I do something crazy, like Kambo. And he'll be like this is not a conversation I ever expected to have with my daughter. But, so I was like disappointed and also feeling like, part of it was he was gonna gift it to me. He's if you do this with me, I'll pay for it. Which at the time I was like, awesome, things are a little tight. Like it would be so nice to not have the financial burden of Yeah. Doing this right. Which realistically now that I've had that experience, was worth every fucking penny. Yeah. And more I was gonna ask you that that was not even remotely, but I think first of all, doing it with you was really unique and special. Yeah. There's not too many people I would want to do Kambo with and

Laura

you that Yeah. Completely agree. One of

Erin

them.

Josh

So like, don't do it with like a, somebody you just met

Erin

like a no. A, an acquaintance. Yeah. I don't know, like maybe in some ceremonial group setting I would be

Laura

game for it, but Yeah. Strangers I'd be totally fine. Yes. It was far more special to do somebody who's like soul group. Yeah. Like you and I are. Yeah. But it's that in-between ground. Yeah. Where it's yeah. Acquaintance or like, no matter how far they are on healing journey, if there's any part which we all have as humans of imposter syndrome or just am I doing this right? Totally. Or if you can't throw up in some, in front of somebody. Mm-hmm. Or you don't know if you can or go to the bathroom. Yeah. But then even more so than the physical, Part of it, the spiritual part of it. Like you have to be open enough to be able to explore that and talk about it out loud. Yeah. And not wonder what are they gonna think about me? Totally. Yeah. Or is this gonna spark some big conversation I'm not ready to have mm-hmm. Or, things like that. So I think there's a lot of people you could do it with. But for me, in this stage of my life, there's only a few. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, maybe only one. I was gonna

Erin

say honestly, like you do. Yeah. And if my dad had, no contraindications, I totally would've done it with him. Yeah. but all that being said, so I was disappointed and then I just was putting it off. Like I kept telling myself it's like I don't deserve to spend the money on this thing. For whatever was the story. But now after having this experience with you, which was extra special, and understanding that sort of like energetic exchange that is offered when you do, I. Pay with money for a thing. Yeah. I don't know, there's something unique about that. Like I showed up more for it, if that makes sense. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. But it was, the timing was just for sure divine. The whole experience was divine. Yeah. Like every, we would pull Oracle cards before our Medicinal experience and just almost borderline freaky. Like it was supernatural. Everything that happened was just like, wow. Spirit is so involved in whatever's happening here. Yeah, yeah. but that was how this entire experience was and kind of the week

Josh

building up to it. Y'all both were Oh God. Off the rocker

Erin

a little. Oh God. Yeah. Oh yeah. It

Laura

started working before I even made it to Columbus, that's for sure. That's true. Wait, tell me more because I didn't know that for you. I think emotionally anticipating it Josh can actually probably speak more to how I was, to be honest. Because I was traveling the weekend before too, and everything was stressful. I was starting to have. I don't even know. How would you describe it? There's lot of negative talk. Yeah. A lot of

Josh

negative talk. Not in a way of like negative towards yourself, just negativity. And down you were really down Yeah. Of I shouldn't have done this, I shouldn't have done

Laura

that. Yeah. Yeah. I over, I overestimated what I could handle. And was riding a high of wedding honeymoon, coming off all that of yeah, I can travel and drive six hours and, it won't affect me at all. And then it totally did. Physically, you mean Yeah. And I was physically emotional, like I was exhausted. Yeah. And I was like, what am I doing? Adding all of this, like operating in a way that I did six or seven years ago, which at that point my body could handle. And all of life was different. Like driving around with one dog is totally different than having Whatever. A wife, all the things. A wife. Yeah. Who pees every five seconds. Love you Kelsey. Um, But no. Like it's just a different, the whole experience is different. And then the pulls of I've been off work a lot lately. Yeah. For the wedding. And then I'm like, why did I decide to drive six hours on a workday? It just was a lot to navigate at once that I feel like I've already learned that lesson. Yeah. But then like completely forgot it. Yeah. Yeah. When I booked all of this. So yeah. I was negative about that and just like kicking myself yeah. But it was all starting to stir things up.

Josh

It was interesting. I just feel energy. It's one of the things that I have. And I can feel it like in Slack even. Yeah. We've been business partners for so long that Yeah. Just communication alone, I can start to sense things. Yeah. But then we had a couple phone calls. Yeah. And I could hear it and feel it. And then same with Aaron. And it just felt So much that was like deeply ingrained on a cellular level was surfacing.

Erin

Yeah.

Josh

That's what it felt like. Yeah. And your bodies knew it in preparation, surfacing to be purged. Or your consciousness was like, all right, let's roll something, A purge is gonna happen. And you were preparing for that. But like from a psych perspective, y'all were dark tripping out. Yeah.

Erin

Oh God. I was for sure stuck in a shame cycle the entire week leading up to this experience, which was probably what needed to happen. Yeah. I do feel like things were, like the medicine was working before it even got to

Josh

us, but I just think you had enough awareness to know what at least at a surface level, what you're gonna go through. And so your body was preparing for that. Yeah. Yeah. What it needed to get rid of.

Erin

I'm curious to know What were you hoping or what were you expecting or what were you coming to Kambo to heal versus what actually happened? And it may be the same answer. Yeah. But I'm just

Laura

curious to know that I'll need a month more of processing in order to answer that fully as Josh knows how long I'd used to process things. Correct. But I think I went in, there's been so much, I'm working on healing physically, emotionally, and spiritually all at once, but there's been this path of back and forth and not enough of fully integrated of the three. So I think there's been a growing curiosity of what my body knows that I don't in my heart know or feel yet. And before Kambo, that was like a connecting to my mind. Like my mind, I wanted my mind to know Yeah. What my body knew. And throughout this Kambo experience, especially this morning's practice was, is like my mind doesn't have to know. Yeah. I need to drop in outta my mind to my body, to the sacral and let that do the work. Yeah. I wanted to discover different things that has have been stored in there, and part of what I'm learning is that's not the way to do it. There's plenty other ways and it is working. Mm-hmm. You know, It is working on that.

Erin

Yeah. The mind body connection is fascinating. It of course is huge. But sometimes we give too much credit to both of those things. And also it needs to be more than just soul. Or mind, body, spirit. If we leave that part out Yeah. Yikes. Because we can't trust the mind Yik or even

Laura

the emotions. Yeah. And embodiment is not letting the mind control it all. Yeah. Like I derive with the mind Right. at all times. Mm-hmm. Constantly figuring things out. And I get stuck in this head, heart thing, but that's not the body I need to go deeper. Yeah. Not even in those two go deeper into like core,

Erin

yeah. And I think some of us have different maybe predispositions or one feels stronger than the other, I don't know. I think some people are better at dropping into the body but have a harder time with the emotion soul side or the mind side. But we're all just different.

Josh

The key is source divine. Yeah. Whatever you want to God, whatever you wanna call it, regardless of how you tap in, it's connecting to that opens up the consciousness to start to understand. Yeah. So like being aware of the body is really good. Being aware of your mind, really great. Like mindfulness is key. Yeah. Even your soul, like understanding where you are, spirituality, but what it seemed like inside of Kambo for both of you, I. Is that you tapped in? Yeah. And tap, tap, tap in. Tap in. Yes. But you tapped in and you started to feel that connection with something more divine outside of yourself that was giving you information that you had always needed. You just didn't know it. Yeah. And it had started to cleanse you, purged however you Yeah. You needed to mm-hmm. In all of your ways, you started to learn from that. Yeah. Yeah. I think if you aren't willing and sometimes fear and sometimes just unknowing connecting to whatever that mm-hmm. higher thing is. Yeah. That information may get to the surface and you may like purge it. Not fully understand it. Yeah. And so both of you had that willingness, which started a week before Yeah. Maybe in

Laura

preparation or maybe years before. Yeah. True. Yeah. True. Yeah. I That you were ready for it. Yeah. I think there's been lots of prep in this and it, they both like each of our paths in our own ways and then this path for this weekend, like all aligned together to teach us what we needed, not what we wanted necessarily. Yeah. We definitely learned that.

Erin

Yeah. From Kambo. And I think plant medicine in general plant slash amphibian medicine, it gives us what we need, not necessarily what we want. Yeah. Is what our practitioner kept saying. And sometimes we're lucky and those two things are the same, but more often than not, it, you know. Yeah. yeah.

Laura

It just goes uhhuh. Yeah. And I think I went in with very physical, Hopes mm-hmm. Of like, been dealing with all kinds of digestive issues for like a while, but especially bad for a year and just lots of different like physical symptoms that I'm trying to work on and clear. But then in conjunction also working on really deep emotional Yeah. Symptoms. Yeah. And I'm so aware how intertwined those two are. Of course. But with Kambo there's all kinds of, stories of how it's helped both of those. So I think I was more curious about the emotional, didn't really think much would come up. I thought it'd be more physical, Yeah, get these toxins outta here kind of thing. Yeah. Like, This is gonna be a great cleanse. I definitely purged in the way I needed to and I think there's gonna be that impact I'm excited to see the next couple weeks how that feels, but, Emotionally. I was so surprised. Yeah. How different things like are so stored and Kambo didn't clear'em like they're in my way. Like I think some energy definitely was released, but it was also shown in different ways. Yes. Like it's not gone. There's still work to do. There's integration to do, there's a path of healing that is required. Mm-hmm. But enlightening all of it, tapping into that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's like part of where I've been stuck.

Erin

Yeah. It definitely, I think cracked something open for you to be able to see Yeah. In a different light. Yeah.

Josh

Kinda You too, honestly. Oh yeah. I would've said you were stuck

Erin

as well. Yeah. And definitely in our own unique ways, Yeah, I don't really know exactly what I was hoping to get out of Kambo. I was mostly just following my curiosity and intuition. Yeah. Which is something I'm learning to do and I feel like is the point of being a human being. Mm-hmm. But. I just feel like if we have an opportunity to experience something we're curious about, like why the hell not, you might as well. I was definitely feeling blocked in areas. Mostly around just my, I don't wanna say my knowing, but like my trust in myself, my capabilities. Like your intuition. Yeah. We talk all the time about how I feel like this unintentional mantra of mine is I'm just a baby. Well, you cleared that.

Laura

No, I'm fucking You said I'm a fucking warrior.

Erin

Yeah. On day two of Kambo, I was like breathing through an intense wave. And I just felt like I can do fucking anything. And why do I limit myself and play small? Yeah. So much. But we'll get into the details. I do wanna talk through our individual experiences. Yeah. What it was. Yeah. Just to kinda set the stage, or like for the listener, what it felt like. So we get to, her name is Anastasia and she will Absolutely. Which

Josh

caveat to that. Everyone's gonna feel something different. Oh yeah, for sure. So these are your individual experiences. Yeah. Yeah. People listening, you may do this and have a completely different experience and which will be obvious. You need to have whatever experience you're gonna have Yeah.

Erin

Will be obvious by how different our two experiences were and our individual experiences with each serving of the medicine was so different. But

Laura

yeah. And I will say we're super fresh. We finished our third one this morning. This morning, like three hours ago. And this medicine keeps working the, especially like emotionally, physically, and spiritually for hopefully months. Yeah. But I'm excited for even just our own personal catch ups of like how we feeling? Yeah. What's coming up, what's processing. In all of it physically and. Emotionally,

Erin

definitely.

Josh

I'll say this, have your partners do Kambo fact business partner and relationship partner. You can

Laura

kind of a double whamy with this. I win on

Josh

this one.

Erin

Winning. Yeah. Uh, We'll definitely have Anastasia on the podcast'cause I wanna talk more about the just all about Kambo, how it works, why it works. Yeah. Like the science behind it, the ritual, everything, things like that. Yeah. So, We'll we won't dive too much into that today. More so just our experiences, but just to set the kind of stage of what we were experiencing. So we get to her home, it's beautiful. She has this lovely little space with two mats and so we're sitting, laying on these mats and she just creates the most beautiful sacred container. For this experience, like it's nothing fancy, it's just like ritual sacred, beautiful. So we sit down, we meditate, we drop into our bodies, and she serves us a couple other medicines first. The first one being Hape, which is like a tobacco powder. And it has, I guess there's as many varieties of hop as there are wines in the world. It's you can pick and choose what you need on any given day, but. So that sounds like a seven's dream. Uhhuh.

Laura

Yeah.

Erin

so that is administered via the nose. So she like, blows that through a little like bamboo thing up the nose and immediately you're like, whew. In your body. There's no place else you can eat. It drops you in quick, but present right there. Yeah, which

Laura

was cool. And day one on this. So she's telling us about it. I have a long history with tobacco. Don't smoke anymore, thank goodness. But I did for a long time. And it's been a long time since I've had any sort of tobacco. Or around me. Really. But she picks Erin's intuitively and it's the gentlest one. It's mostly herbal. I don't even know if the first day yours had much tobacco in it. Yeah. Maybe a tiny amount or none. And then she grabbed the strongest one for me and just said looked at me and was like, do you have relationship with tobacco? I'm like, I used to. And she's like, I could feel it. Like uhhuh. So there's so much like the way she holds space is so beautiful and sacred, but she's also so tapped in to our own energy and she offers her energy to us as well. Mm-hmm. Not just as support and a guide, like she's in it with us. Yeah. Which was so amazing. Mm-hmm.

Erin

Like not in Kambo with us, but she is in Yeah. She holds space in space really beautifully. Like she's so gifted. Yeah. But yeah, there were so many moments throughout our experience where we're like just feeling almost. Otherworldly where she just knows things about us. Yeah, intuitively. But yeah, she picked like the one with I think no tobacco in it for me because I'm just, I've not used many substances in my life and she could sense that. Yeah. So we do that and then we, lay on our backs and she administers something called

Laura

Saranga. I think it's Sarga. We might be pronouncing that

Erin

wrong, but Yeah. It's a, an eye drop. And I believe it's made from some sort of a tree bark in the Amazon. I might be messing that up, but we'll ask her more when she's on But it is another, Super potent. Like it, we both Laura and I gasped. Mm-hmm. When, so she drops it with your eyes closed and then she says, okay, open when you're ready and you open and it feels like your eyes are immediately set on fire. Yeah.

Laura

It's pretty spicy.

Erin

Yeah. We both went, oh, like the first time. But she again just holds this beautiful space. She's like massaging your third eye and she's breathe deep into your body, like try to relax your face. And it's all just these things that are really preparing your mind, body, soul, heart, to receive Kambo. But just I don't know, knowing that you can breathe through any discomfort. Mm-hmm. whether that's spiritual, whether that's emotional, physical, any discomfort. If you can ride the wave. Mm-hmm. Like that was kind of the first message that came across to me. Yeah. Was like, if you just find your breath, like you can

Laura

do anything. Yeah. And Hoppe is 10 seconds, maybe 20 seconds max. I enjoyed it quite a bit. Erin was like a little taken aback at first. But then, so it wasn't, it was less discomfort for me. Yeah. Your eyes water a little bit. Sure. You feel it. And then the, how do you say it? Sarga? I think Sarga we think, is like three to five minutes max. Mm-hmm. We, it probably stopped stinging after three minutes. And your eyes are closing like it is.

Josh

Did you both have the same experience with the

Erin

eyedrops?

Laura

We did. Yeah. Yeah. We went, oh yeah. Oh. Especially the first day and then each day, like today was even Yeah. A little stronger for me. Really. And it was the same amount each time. Yeah. But it just felt a little it stung a little bit more, but it's like clearing. The eye Yeah. Yeah. She says

Erin

it's really good for eye health. I wanna look into it more. I don't know much about it, but, so we do all these beautiful rituals. We feel very at least I did feel very connected to source, very in my body. And then, and

Laura

we did do a meditation before. Yeah. We started those. So she guided us through a beautiful, each day. Yeah. A beautiful 10 minute maybe. Yeah. Meditation to just really. Set the stage.

Josh

Was it like a full body guided visualization?

Laura

I would say pretty

Erin

close. Yeah. Yeah. Each day was a little bit different of a flare. I think she just uses kind of her intuition. And what comes up. But the first one was a, yeah, it was a little bit of a body scan where you're like checking in draining the is it called hua? Is the energy. Mm-hmm. So that's like she was describing this, I forget what culture this comes from, but Hua is like the specific energy that only happens between humans. Yeah. And it's a, I think a negative energy. Like a or

Laura

angst. Yeah. Just built up. Yeah. Yeah. Which you probably have

Josh

a decent amount going in for your first session of. Sure. Yeah. Yeah,

Laura

yeah.

Erin

So we drain the body of this hua and she describes imagine that there's a trap door, like in your sacrum. Yeah. And you're just letting that all drain into the earth, knowing that. Mother Earth knows exactly what to do with that energy. Mm-hmm. It's not negative to her. Sure. She knows how to transmute it and transform it into like fertilizer almost beauty. Yeah. And butter butterflies. Yeah. Yeah. Allows new things to grow. I know the whole time I was thinking like, wow, Josh just intuitively basically came up with this meditation. I don't know, you blow my mind over and over, but, and then we have another kind of trap door or portal, whatever in like our crown and that's where we let the light, like source Yeah. Fill up wherever the HOA had drained. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So yeah, immediately you just feel so sacred. So safe and held, divinely protected. Like those are all words that came up for me in the first one. But then she administers Kambo. Yeah. And do you wanna

Laura

describe the process of that? Sure. Yeah. I mean it's, it was pretty much the same each time. So she'll open the gates which are tiny burn marks basically. Mm-hmm. Where just on the very top layer of the skin. And Erin correct me medically if I'm wrong on anything. This is how I understood it, so just really small marks on our arms. Interestingly enough, I chose my left arm and that's more feminine energy. Yeah. And just the slightest amount. And Erin chose her right arm. Which is more masculine energy. And it ended up through the three series. Days. That's exactly what we needed. Uhhuh learned. So really cool that there's like different meridians and portals there. So she opens the gates is what the burn marks are called when she just wipes away the skin a little bit. And then the, you can talk, probably talk more about the water piece, but, so then we drink certain amount of water. It's controlled, it's tracked. That's probably the part that is, yeah. Mostly from a medical standpoint, mostly. Watched to make sure we have enough and not too much. We don't have to really go into much of that, but it's just, we'll save that for once Steve comes on. Just, it felt very safe on that front. So we drink water, we're talking, we're processing different things. And then the actual Kambo it's administered one at a time on each of the gates, so the first day we started with just one on and then eased in, and then once we felt through that first wave, she gave us our full dose, I guess. Mm-hmm. For the day. Mm-hmm. And then the second two days, we put'em all on at once. Yeah. So it was kind of what our, what our bodies felt was. Right. Yeah,

Erin

it was definitely, I had no really expectations going into it except for what I had heard. And I think there's this kind of misconception with Kambo that you have to purge in order to have like a, you know, a quality experience or something. That definitely was not the case for me, but. I can see why there's that misconception. But the first one, she administers one dose or one gait for me. And within, would you say like two

Laura

minutes, three minutes? Uh, one less than a one. I think like minute, minute and a half. Yeah,

Erin

okay. So what happens is you feel heat where the Kambo is administered. So like it started on my shoulder and then the heat crawls across your body and works its way up to your face and head and ears. Everything gets bright red. At least it did on you. I couldn't see myself. Yeah, you were red too. Yeah. Yep. Bright red. And you start to get this kind of pulsating, like whoosh in your head. And it like feels, I don't have tons of migraines, but it feels reminiscent to maybe what a really intense migraine might feel like.

Laura

different for me. It's like, yeah, it was more, you have a slight headache, but it wasn't like as bad as like migraines, like miserable to me. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't, that part wasn't super uncomfortable, but it was this like heart pounding kind of whoosh feeling. You

Erin

definitely feel the increase in your heart rate and the blood pressure shifting and things like that. So does it dilate? I think it's a be a potent vasodilator. Yeah. I think, I don't know. We'll have to ask you an anesthesia when she comes on, and then immediately I think I said out loud oh, I could see how people purge. Like I start to feel my stomach like things are happening. I don't know. Yeah.

Laura

And the heat just feels like, you feel it starting from where the medicine's administered in grow throughout your body, but then after 30 seconds or so, it just feels like you stepped into a sauna. Like it's Yeah. I kind of liked the

Erin

heat part. Yeah. It felt like a warm hug

Laura

or something. Yeah. It, it really was. It was like semit intense. Yeah. And overwhelming. But it was pleasant. Yeah. Yeah. The

Erin

whooshing, I wa I could, she described like, some people feel like it's like the worst flu of their life, and I could see that it didn't feel like that for me, but similar I guess. But within, minutes I was purging hard. Mm-hmm. Violently purging, just vomiting and, you know, you, you drink A big mason jar full of water before to allow your body to purge if it needs to. And I think I was just like, I remember looking at you after I had thrown up probably five or six times and I was like,'cause I went first the first day. Yeah. And I didn't wanna scare you. I was like, that's intimidating to watch. I don't know. To watch the first one. Yeah. So I looked at you and I was like, I promise it's not bad. I don't feel sick. I'm just like, it just happens. It just

Laura

comes, is what you said. Yeah. Yeah. And it

Erin

is so different than sick, puke. Like it felt like my body was just, purging is the best word for it. So wild. Like deep and it's all bright green bile, the peptides in Kambo, it's doing something to the liver, gallbladder, kidney. Like it's helping to purge those areas or cleanse those areas. So that's where the bile is like coming up from. But I have never thrown up like that in my life. It was like deep guttural, Yeah. so that happened and after the fact she said, she's I've never seen anyone purge on just one, Uh, which, I mean, I guess I'm somewhat sensitive to substances in general just'cause I'm, I don't use many, I haven't historically. But, what I got from that first round of Kambo was, kinda like the message that came through was that I, and I've been told by multiple practitioners, like, when I did E M D R and when I've done breath work, like multiple practitioners have told me this. And I guess I just haven't believed them until this experience. But you are so open and like ready for this experience. Like there are no walls keeping you from like, I mean, it

Josh

took me so many breath work sessions for me to have something. Yeah. And for you it was like, The first or second one.

Erin

Yeah. Yeah. So I just, that was like my big takeaway from the first round was like, okay, I'm ready and I'm open and I don't know why I'd never feel like I'm ready, but I am. all the things have led me to this moment and I just need to feel, confident in my abilities, my capabilities. So yeah, that was my big takeaway. It was for sure uncomfortable and intense, I would say, but I left feeling like, I would still go back. Mm-hmm. You know, like, Yeah. I was afraid I was gonna leave the first one and be like, oh shit, I gotta go back for two, two more. But I

Laura

didn't feel like that was really helpful too for me, that we had it booked already. Yeah. And we were doing it together. Yeah. There wasn't any like, um, accountability on the calendar in person. Yeah. And I'm so glad we had the series of three because the first one was probably the most physically intense for both of us. Yeah. But then, and all three were different for each of us. But that experience was like, at the end we were like, oh my gosh. Okay. And felt stronger, felt, it just all kinds of different things.

Josh

Yeah. Something to note too. As soon as it's off, you're feeling back to normal. Mm-hmm. And then you guys, I mean, both of you went on about your days. Yeah. Like an hour

Laura

after. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So once it comes off, it's only on for up to 20 minutes. In our experience. And you can take it off at any point. It took maybe a minute Yeah. To start feeling like, throughout the 20 minutes it would decrease.'cause your body's like moving through those waves. I think that was the helpful part for me. Of being like, it is a short amount of discomfort. Yeah. And we can sit in that. Yeah. And we can find joy in that. Yeah. We can find all these different things.

Josh

What's the mind doing in that 20 minutes?

Laura

It was different for me all three times. Yeah, so the first one I think we didn't know the experience and I had seen Erin go first for the first one. Sorry. So I was like expecting certain things just. Because, you do. And then mine was completely different. So different. So different. Yeah. So mine goes on and I felt the sa the heat was the same I think, for both of us. And that, stepping into the sauna feeling and then I went to the bathroom. That was my purging. Yeah. Lucky me. Lucky you. But that's exactly what I needed and where I've struggled. Yeah. So it was so cool to see the exact same experience, the exact same dose. You're a frequent flyer. I'm a frequent flyer of the toilet these days. Yes. No shame anymore. Yeah, so it's, it was very validating at first, even just that part to see it go where it needed to go and that it was so different for us. So yeah, so mine was the same beginning and then couple minutes in, maybe three or four the first time. Yeah. I think you were more like five or six when you set up. it's like you're unsteady, so she helps you to the bathroom. It's not like crawling or anything, it's just like you don't wanna trip. I could easily have tripped, but I could walk. It was, yeah. It was mostly

Erin

for blood pressure concerns, I think because it does mess with your blood pressure. If you stand up too quickly,

Laura

you can pass out. So that's why Yeah. She like, helps you stand up. But then, I walked myself there with her, holding my hand or whatever. But, but the mind part of it, the first time it was like noticing, like just very present with my own experience, noticing what I was feeling, noticing what I was happening and coming back to my breath every time. And then when I was in the bathroom, I was like, how long has this thing been on? Yeah. What's happening?

Josh

I'd imagine the mind would want to escape a little bit.

Laura

A little, but it wasn't like a I need to disassociate. Yeah. It was like a, there was a little bit of that for me though, of Not a push through kind of thing, but a okay. Let it do what it's needing to do. Yeah. Which is exactly what I needed. Like we've talked about almost all three sessions of different ways. For me, it's my mind that's overactive. Yeah. Different in the ways I've numbed and distracted in the past it was more like, that can turn off for a minute. And this is just happening. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You know, let it just be That's okay. Yeah. Let it just happen. But yeah, there was, the first day I was like, there was a point where it was so just so uncomfortable that I was like, I just want this off. But then very quickly after it starts fading. You made it through the wave and you have that warrior-like feeling, but also just like trusting the process feeling. Yeah. Of I'm gonna be okay. And that was quick and that was okay. Yeah, it was safe. It was fine. Yeah. Was it the

Erin

first day that she was drumm? So she brings out this drum? Yeah. She has different tools that she just like intuitively will like. She's got a sound bowl. She's got a drum. She will sing sometimes. Was it the first day that she brought out the drum and started singing about your grandmother? The

Laura

grandmother's The grandmother. Found grandmother. That was the second day. The second day. The first day she did drum. So helpful for me in the bathroom. She's standing door of the doors. I never heard anything, by the way. Yeah.'cause I'm like, feeling fully comfortable. Yeah. Like, it's just gonna happen. Thank goodness. Erin is also a nurse. It made me feel totally fine, but you know, you hear some stuff when stuff is coming out that end. yeah, so she's like drumming and singing this, just very sacred music and rhythms and things like that while we're doing just helping us energetically feel through it all. Yeah. But the second day, yeah. If we wanna go into that. Yeah, go ahead. The second day was wild. So the first day was an opening for me. I don't even know how to describe it. It just opened and then the second day it went so deep. So starting with the meditation, it was like pulling ancestral Yeah. Trauma, wisdom, all these different pieces of it into awareness. And it's weird that I'm here in Columbus to do this the first time. It's almost like it was calling me because I grew up here. I saw my grandpa the day before. Mm-hmm. And that was beautiful. And then seeing, just different paths my family has taken on these same lands, is just interesting to be among. But then ancestral, there's pain in my family tree and myself and within me, and. That all can turn into anything. But she was singing this song outta nowhere. She's like, I even got up to sing something else. Yeah. And she just started singing this other one that was like, you might remember the words more, but it was like calling on grandmother spirit, calling on great-grandmother spirit of abundance love creation.

Erin

Yeah. And about birth too. And I remember she even clarified, after she was like, I just sensed, mother wounds, like womb pain for you. And so I wanted you to know like that creation is not or I think the song called it Birth or something. She's it doesn't have to do with birth of a physical baby, but just that womb space in a woman is creation space. That's where we generate creation love, like all these beautiful things. Yeah. And for one reason or another, whether it's like ancestral or something that you've accumulated along the way, like that space was what was blocked for you, I guess. Yeah. Which is interesting'cause what you had said driving through wherever you went Yeah.

Laura

With Kelsey. Yeah. Driving in to Columbus, we passed through Marion and that's where my mom grew up. And where my grandmother lives and I have no specific trauma whatsoever in Marian. But I felt like I had goosebumps. I just felt energy Yeah. Driving through and it was less of a childhood memory and more of like a knowing like it was starting. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, I could just, I felt the space, I felt the energy of it and then to have that come up and I've been working on different. Mother wound. Processing. I'm in the process of E M D R right now for many different topics and held beliefs. But one of them has been that line and I've been awakening more and more, but in my mind, only until this experience, like understanding and feeling more empathy and things like that for each experience of my lineage. Yeah. Like not only my mother and, even my dad, but their mothers Yeah. And their mothers. Yeah. And going, as far back and like faces of all of them came up during that second one, but in a felt way more so than the mind conjuring pictures. And then I kept thinking of, I'm named after my great grandmama, and I kept thinking of her during that. Kambo experience the day two of what don't I know? You know? Yeah. And what wisdom is there? And it was, the song was beautiful because there's, if we look for it, we can always find different pain and different paths. And different hurt that has happened over time, and I can sometimes feel too deeply in that and get stuck in that. But the song was all about finding the wisdom in it. Yeah. And, We can like, we don't have to hold it. All those tragedies are over, you know? yeah. And we can learn from them for sure. We need to release them and move through them, but there's so much beauty if you can. And then so much of that day was like sacral energy and just so much blockage and sacral is womb and it is creation and that's tied to abundance and money and creation of all kinds. Pleasure is another one we talked about. Pleasure is another one. Talked about. Yeah. Yeah. And it's so hard for me to even just sit in, delight in anything. And yeah. So that was all like, it went deep. I left the second day quite stunned of just, you came

Josh

back like deer in the headlights. Yeah.

Laura

Yeah. It was, it was quite interesting. And I'm so glad we had day three because Me too. Yeah. Lots of clarity there of how clenched all of that has been held. Just how clenched I've been living because of that. And it blocks not only me, but it blocks everybody else and whatever that means for creation over time. Like wom, she, I'm so glad she clarified that.'cause there's a whole, lots of conversations happening on womb in general. Yeah. But it's there's so much blockage there that I connected, like I don't wanna pass anything on. And that's out of like to future generations. You mean? To future generations. But I think even deeper than that, like I control so much, even what we create and it is so locked in, it's so like, safe is maybe the wrong word, but it's so controlled as best as I, as best I can because I'm so aware of destruction Yeah. That I can create as well. And there's no freedom in that. And that just goes so, so far back to where does my worth come from? Where does self-love come from? There's so much work. Delight to happen there. Yeah. And to be released there. But creation in general, and I'm a sacral human design as well. So it's like that being blocked, my whole being is blocked. Yeah. Everything I'm creating is blocked, so I can only ever do so much. Yep. Until I do that clearing work. Yeah. Or snap. Or snap, which I've done before, and it's like what type, you know, like if I look at my past paths, Everything happened to get me here. Hundred percent. And I'm so grateful for every part of it and there's lessons in all of it, but where has that cycle been happening? Where it's oh yeah, it can only be controlled for so long and then it's gonna snap and then that cycle again. And where can I break that? Not only for me, but how does that tie to past patterns? Yeah. Too, that I can break for everyone around me. It's

Josh

interesting too because the patterns exist, they may just look a little different. Mm-hmm. Whether that be with something like addiction or physical representation. Yeah. if you've moved on from a season but didn't learn the patterns Yeah. That got you into that season. It may manifest into something else. Yeah. Until you

Laura

fully get it. Yeah. And there's wisdom in all of it. Like I've learned from each pivot in the path gratefully. But there's core, like we talk about root cause. Yeah. When we talk about physical healing, but root cause when it comes to emotional healing as well Yep. Is so intertwined with all of it. Yeah. Physical symptoms aside, like my own patterns and cycles emotionally have grown a ton. But also, Where am I treating, quote unquote, the surface. Without going to the root. Yeah. Yeah.

Erin

It's like I, and we brought this up during one of the sessions too, about how Dr. Gabor talks about not why the addiction, but why the pain. Yeah. And if you never get to that point, you will just be treating addiction for addiction. Yeah. You may not have the most destructive, whatever, addiction, but there's still gonna be something unaddressed. Yeah. Underlying. So that is like real root cause work. Yeah. Yeah. And I am of the belief, and people would disagree with me, and that's totally fine, but I feel like so much of the physical representation or expression of these things are rooted in the energy body in the spiritual body. Yeah. In the emotional body. of course there's physical, like if you're gonna be eating trash all day, like there's gonna be a physical consequence there, but, so much of it lies in the not so three D

Laura

world, yeah. Yeah. I think my path right now physically, specifically with remedies and with the work I'm doing there is so intertwined and caused by emotional roots deep down. But those emotional roots then create physical issues. Yeah. Or exacerbate them. Yeah. Over time. So like one without the other and then you add spirituality and mindfulness into that. Mm-hmm. I'm learning this like literally now. Without all of them, it's only gonna get so far. Yeah. So same thing with like different emotional things I've worked on in the past. It's only gonna get so far when I can't. Support it with other sides too. And

Josh

it's supernatural. Like I think we're, yeah. Working on certain things. I think you had that experience in session two of Yeah. Ancestral shit that maybe was passed on even just emotionally through the womb and. You're putting a fucking stop to it. Yeah. You are. Yeah. it's gonna manifest in its own ways. I think chronic illness is something that has to do with that as well. Yeah. Not fully, like we're all saying there's different circumstances and environments and fucking ticks that exist, but I think because of that, the body is working through things or holding onto things that maybe you don't even know Yeah. Mm-hmm. From your great grandpa or grandma or whatever, and we're letting it out.

Erin

Yeah. Yeah. It's like what we talked about with Bryoni, that the complimentary karma and emptiness. How it's, not our fault per se, but it is our responsibility or like in some way, shape or form karma, has created this path for us. Yeah. In some ways we choose it. In some ways it's just ours, but it is our responsibility to, as soon as we are, Made aware, whether that's through some sort of medicine or just through whatever. It's our responsibility now. Yes. And what a gift, what a huge fucking privilege it is. Yep. To be able to release these things a hundred percent and not just heal what's going forward, but like to heal. I totally agree with you. To heal things backwards. Yeah. Whether or not your great-great-grandmother will ever be aware. Her soul may never be aware, who knows, but like those things can be healed. Yeah. Through you, which is. Fucking wild and crazy. So cool. That's what that

Josh

breathwork session felt like. Yeah. Lamo, like I did another session and I thought it was Zoe at 30 years old. Yeah. That I was blocking this dark spirit, but I realized that it was somebody from my past. Yeah. Whether it was my consciousness in a past life. Or ancestral. Yeah. It felt like I was clearing something that wasn't mine. Yeah. I was clearing something that was attached to me. But had nothing to do with the life that I'm living. Yeah. Just my consciousness, whatever that means. Yeah. I think that's gonna happen in so many different modalities. Yeah. Once you're willing to receive that responsibility. Yeah. Things are gonna let loose and open up.

Laura

For sure. Yeah. And there's a different, like Kambo or I think all types of different experiences can get you there. There was a different knowing with me this experience. Yeah. Versus Talking about it intellectually. Sure. And being like, okay, that makes sense. This went to, this, went to this. But it was like a deep sense of feeling and knowing. And almost seeing it in a different way without my eyes. You were tapped in. Yeah. That's

Josh

tapping into the source. What up? Yeah.

Erin

Yeah. I think the difference is you have been on a path of like personal growth, personal development. Lots of like therapy, E M D R, all these amazing things which are super helpful, but it's all like work, it's all doing. Yeah. And I feel like Kambo is cracked a little. Yeah. Bit into what about just like being, and what about just opening and like releasing, letting go, like those are such different energies. Yeah. So I'm like super pumped for you and excited to see what you're on the cusp of right now. Yeah.'cause I think it's gonna be really cool. okay. So that was day two. Yeah. So talk to us about this morning.

Laura

Okay. So this morning, we go in, I was less nervous today for sure. Mm-hmm. You both seemed way less

Josh

nervous. Yeah. You guys were hella nervous yesterday morning. Yeah. Oh,

Laura

day two. Day two was hard to go back to after the first one. We totally did it. We got, we had this. Mm-hmm. But it was like Okay. Walking into that experience again. Yeah. And it was so different that I think today it was more of it could be like day one, it could be like day two. It could be a totally new type of experience. Yeah. And just like allowing it. So yeah, today did a little bit more than the past couple days. So today I think we both did five points. Yeah. And it was so much calmer in a way for me. There were intense parts, which is interesting'cause it's the most Yeah. Points we've had so far. But there was, yeah, just a deep. Like sense of I've got this it's gonna be okay. Yeah. Not, Not the Kambo experience. I knew that was gonna be okay. Yeah. But like the work, like going deep Yes. wherever that was gonna take me emotionally, I was willing. Yeah. You know? Which I'm somewhat surprised'cause there was no time to process after being stunned yesterday. So my natural being probably lately would've walked into that lunch Maybe that was designed maybe that was designed. Yeah. It's all part of it. But yeah. So the biggest insight today was throughout the experience I purged again. But I had this deep knowing of clarity of how clenched I live and always have. And I've been working on different nervous system things. So I feel like my, again, my mind has known this. Yeah. In different levels, in different ways. And I do observe it in myself sometimes, but it's a totally different knowing that I got today. Yeah. Of I was like, shown it felt it in a new way. Like my spirit could feel it. Yeah. And see it. And you even said out

Erin

loud there's something stuck. Yeah. And she was like, well take some more water. Like, you can purge that way. Yeah. Like, help it. Yeah. And you were like, no, not that.

Laura

No, it was like emotional. It was energy. It was like deep in me. Yeah. Stuck. Blocked, I think I said. Yeah. And with that it was like, okay. And I was like, mindfully trying to be like, it's okay. Yeah. Let it out. Breathing through it. And I'm feeling the intensity at that point too, so I'm not like, huh. Like it's not one of the lower intense parts of the experience where you're like, I don't know, just sitting there in a way. But anyway, I noticed how stuck that is and I'm like, I feel like something's blocked. And that was right before I purge, which was good because that was like a good energetic release. But with that, I felt so deeply that I have always been clenched. Yeah. So less of a, okay, I've been living this way lately, or since some of the trauma I've caused myself, I've been like that. It was just a, I've always been this way. Wow. And I tell the story all the time of how disconnected I've been in my body in the past of I didn't know my shoe size until I was like 26. Yeah. I thought, I just, I honestly never even thought about it, but my understanding. Subconsciously was that you just have to break in shoes. Like, how disconnected is that? That's crazy. That like, all shoes are gonna feel tight. You're gonna get blisters at first and you'll break'em in and then they're fine. And I'm like, I finally went up half a size uhhuh and I like, have barely gotten a blister sense. And unless you're like wearing shoes without socks, sweating, crazy. So,

Erin

But like knowing when you're hungry, you've

Laura

talked about that too. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know. I I've been working on so much in my thirties of like just intuitively connecting to my body. Yeah. Because I didn't, I went through a long period of my life that I didn't trust it. I didn't know I was gay for so long. Mm-hmm. Like, there was so much, I was not. Connected to. Yeah. But also it like goes deeper. Like I wasn't necessarily taught, or I didn't learn to tap into it as a child either. Yeah. Of my own autonomy, emotionally, physically. Yeah. Like not in a completely closed off way, but I just didn't know it was safe to explore. Of like anything. So I see you as Zoe now of is your belly full? Yeah. Do you want more?'cause you're gonna go to school Like, that is so beautiful and that's the smallest little thing. Yeah. It feels totally natural for you, but I don't even know to ask that myself sometimes.

Erin

You're not alone. There's so many girls, adults that Yeah, yeah.

Laura

Yeah. So today was a Yeah. A deep like almost feels like when I realized I could just go up half a size of shoes. Yeah. Yeah. Of like, you don't have to do this. Yeah. You know where it's this now. Oh, I've been clenched. All the time. And that is so sacral. Yes. Like it's been clenched from there. And if everything comes from there, everything's been clenched. Yeah. And then I come home and I tell you guys, and you're like, yeah, we've seen it. Like we want you to be so free. And Kelsey says it too, like she's I can see it in you. Yeah. And my understanding of freedom, like we've talked about this recently, of manifesting all types of things. Yeah. Yeah. Freedom. There is a huge part of mindfulness that I have a path on for sure. But the freedom I've been talking about lately has been mind. Yeah. Like, how do I help my mind turn off? Sure. How do I help? Because I think it comes from there, or at least it did not anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Like it is so it is a, there's a body response to everything and just a default state. Yeah. That is so clenched that then everything is a reaction to including mind throw, like literally all of it. Yeah. And like she was saying the other day, like people think safety is root chakra, but in so many ways it's sacral. Yeah. Because. That. Yep. It makes so much sense to me now. Yep. And I saw that and it wasn't cleared. There's also this huge understanding, I didn't go in thinking this either. But like Kambo's not a golden ticket, can see no medicine is no. Yeah. Nothing is. And it's like it's just a teacher. Yeah. That's it. And like the integration path and experience after is where the magic is. Yeah. Where the medicine is working. So I'm excited to walk that path because it's so clear now where a route, I'm sure there's many of course, but where a root of this current path of healing Yeah. Can be guided a hundred percent. And that doesn't mean like mindfulness isn't the path for me right now, but that when it's connected to sacral is where it needs to be. Yeah. Yeah. Not. Meditate to learn to meditate. Yeah. That's exactly to control the mind. That's what it was. Yeah. Control. It was meditate to control my mind instead of just moving control

Josh

from one thing to a different thing. Yes. It

Laura

really is. It really is. Yeah.

Josh

Okay. We only have like two more minutes. Yeah. So I just have one question. Yeah. Because we've heard a lot about, your learning for yourself. Yeah. And what is opening up with that? Which the medicine alone is a gift because of that. What is a piece of encouragement that you can give others? Has nothing to do with Kambo. Yeah. That you've learned about yourself that you can give to somebody else.

Laura

Oh, wow. Uh, well, The first thing that comes up right now is that it's all in evolution. I get in, this is part of the mind control thing. I get in this thing where I wanna be at this stage by this time. I wanna feel this, I wanna heal by this time. This is the path I'm gonna take all this expectation. Yeah. And. I get like it too when I try to do too many modalities at once. There's a lot going on in the wellness world right now. Yeah. There's a lot going on in like holistic living and that's wonderful. But this innate intuition and like we talked about, was that today or yesterday where like your purpose is to evolve? Yeah, like Purpose is gonna change every day and it is to evolve and to delight in that experience and then delight in that experience and others too, where so much is either controlled or like grabbing too many things at once. So I guess encourag encouragement for me to others would be like, quiet down.'cause that's what I'm learning to do. And feel like we know we have so much knowing in us, feel what's right for us today. Yeah. And that doesn't have to be what's right for us tomorrow. but what other people are doing, it doesn't have to be what's right for us either. So like fuck

Josh

the comparison

Laura

mind. Yes. Yeah, And then use the tools as teachers. Once you know that and you feel that it's also go do it. Yeah. It's scary sometimes even to just try new things where it's overwhelming. So much is overwhelming. Yeah. But it shouldn't be, slow down, do a little bit less at a time. Yeah.

Josh

Mm-hmm. That's awesome. Yeah. Yeah.

Erin

What you got, babe? There are so many lessons that I pulled out of the, three days of Kambo but in general, Yeah. Relaying off of what Laura said, we've got all of our answers within. I know we've said that a million times on this podcast, but, I just really believe that, yeah. There is no medicine, no practice, no healer that has your answers. Mm-hmm. I mean, it's helpful to use those things. I think sometimes if you're feeling like you're, hitting your head against a wall or something. Yeah. Like a pattern interrupter. At least that's what Kambo was for me. But all of your answers are gonna come within or else they're not your answers. Mm-hmm. A hundred percent. Um, So that's one. And the other one I am just feeling, this is gonna sound silly maybe, but I am feeling so deeply, like to my bones, grateful to be a human. Mm-hmm. Like, I think there's been so many days where I just. Don't want the responsibility or the complexity that comes with humanity, right? Everything is so gray and it feels like everything's so complicated. What's my purpose here? The trees aren't doing that. I would just love to be a fucking tree. Yeah. Just be, and you've said that. I have said that. Um, but I think I just came to this realization that all of the human experience, like all the sensorial, like the physical experience, the emotional experience, the interconnectedness we can have between human beings. Yes. Tapping into energy, like consciousness, all of it is such a huge privilege. And I have never, I've never felt like this before. Yeah. I feel like just so deeply grateful to be human and I think I'm done over complicating it, meaning every day I'll wake up and think oh, like what's my purpose here? Yeah. Should I dive headfirst into holistic practitioner stuff or should I dive headfirst into cooking and recipes and meal planning, or whatever the thing is. And I, I complicate it so much that I don't do anything. Then I freeze. And like you were saying, my sole purpose every single day because karmically like, that's why I'm here wherever I am. My sole purpose is to just be where I am and fully experience that. Yeah. And whatever that looks like. So my sole purpose is to just be wherever I am on any given day, knowing that that's gonna change and evolve and shift and that's fine. Yep. And then to love to love myself deeply, to love others deeply, other living beings. Yeah. Earth source spirit, like Yep. That is all that is required of me, and the rest is just like cherries on top. If you build a cool business, sweet. I

Josh

mean, I think things will blossom out of that. Exactly. Easily. Yeah.

Erin

That's where in flow, like

Laura

flow happens. Yeah. With reverence to ourselves. How could it not overflow into ocean of different

Erin

things? That's the point. Yeah. Yeah. And I've been like, I even showed up to Kambo saying I need more masculine energy in my life. I need more discipline, is what I came to her saying. Yeah, I need more discipline. I need, work ethic the action of the masculine energy. And what I've learned is like masculine energy is. It's, but it's not the. It's not the control or the, like forcing that we often think of masculine. It's the container, it's the structure. And the consistency. Yeah. And I can do that from a place of reverence for self. Mm-hmm. Dedication or devotion. Like those are the words that I need to be Yeah. Using in my vocabulary more so than, work ethic. Yeah. And discipline. it's a such a different energy. Yeah.

Laura

So yeah. Yeah. And Mary Oliver says, attention is the beginning of devotion. Yeah. And I love that as part of this experience, because Kambo you can use anything you want, but it helped bring our attention Yeah. Yeah. To different things that were already in our intuition. It didn't give us anything we didn't already have within us back day, hence the week before y'all. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And that attention now can be of reverence. Of devotion. Yes. Not a, for me, a ritual, a routine that I have to like do every day. Yeah. And things like that. It's if I begin to learn reverence for myself and devotion to myself, that'll come out of like gentle love And it might look exactly the same of whatever ritual practice. Yeah. Instead of routine. Becomes, but it's like the energy of it coming into it is different than a to-do list. A hundred percent. If I check all these off, then I'll become this. Yep. That's not what we're going for here. Yeah. Yeah.

Josh

Woo. Okay, good. Guys, you both are awesome. I'm proud of you guys. Thanks. You are two different humans than you were last week. Yeah, I'm proud of you guys. It was really special to do it to us. You're opened up. Continue to be willing to receive. Yeah.'cause even though you won't have Kambo on your arm, the universe is gonna send you a ton. Yeah. And so just be aware of that. Yeah. But I love you guys. Stay open.

Erin

Love you back.

Laura

Love you. Love you listeners.

Josh

Love you. Stay open. Bye. Bye.