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Josh: Hi everybody! What it do baby boo? 

Erin: We made it to Friday. 

Josh: What's lighting you up today? 

Erin: [00:01:00] Honestly, still quantum biology. 

Josh: Yeah, dude, you gone. You are straight up gone. 

Erin: On my way to and from everything, I'm listening to all of it. Do you want to know something that I learned yesterday? Talk to me. 

Okay. If you could describe in your own words what the heart does, what were you taught that the heart's job is? 

Josh: It pushes blood throughout your body. 

Erin: Okay. So what I learned yesterday is that there's just so many paradigm shifts and it's wild, but so yes, the heart kind of does that, but when you do like the math, the physics behind, the squeezing of the heart.

. It is maybe 15 percent efficient as far as getting blood all the way around your circulatory systems. Okay. Meaning that, yes, it's squeezing, pumping, but that's not actually how blood flow is happening. They've 

Josh: lied to us. Classic 

Erin: education. And it all okay, here's another. Thing that just blew my mind.

What does it do? I'll tell you in just a second But the suspense so if you think about capillaries the size of a blood cell to what is a capillary? Okay, great questions Circulatory [00:02:00] system. We've got arteries We've got veins and when the blood is flowing away from the heart to the tissues Eventually, they will get to these little capillaries a

capillary is just like a very small vessel. Okay, So small that many of them are actually smaller than the diameter of a red blood cell. 

Josh: Wow. Okay. 

Erin: Okay, so squeeze The pressure it would require if you do the math and the physics behind this Yes to push a red blood cell through a capillary which is what happens it would be like a million times what the heart is capable of producing from a pressure.

 Anyway the heart is like a secondary sort of it keeps the blood flowing, but that's not the main. flow system. The main flow has to do with all the things that I'm learning about, which is the structured water and like it's these hydrophilic membranes.

Anyway, it's just wild that like all these things that we thought we knew for so long. So what does the heart do? Okay, it does a couple things. Jeez, you're like just cliffhanging me. Sorry, it does a couple things. 

You may have heard me talk about the heart having the biggest [00:03:00] electrical field of the whole body. Compared to like the brain. Heart math. Yes. Yeah. Heart math studies that. because blood is mostly water and it has all of these sort of like Magnetic charges happening within the body.

So blood is drawn to the heart because of its strong. Yes electric field my magnetic field and so the heart is really just pumping it far enough so that it's No longer being drawn to the heart. That's one of the, I'm doing a really poor job at explaining this because I'm just learning it, but another function of the heart is to the way that the heart squeezes it like vortexes the blood.

It's like a spiraling of sweet tornado, which structures the water anyway. It's just wild. That is wild. It's 

Josh: wild. Yeah. How does that become quantum? 

Erin: It relates deeply to quantum biology because of all these, all the properties of that exclusions on water that we've talked about and how that happens, But Gerald Pollack, who is the guy that is like very known for studying structured water and exclusions on water. But the way they figured this out, I think it was one of [00:04:00] his like grad students or something had a tube or like a straw and there was water. Flowing through this, it had a hydrophilic membrane on it, whatever the tube was, which just means water loving which is how our body is like all those surfaces in our body, including our blood vessels, hydrophilic, water loving.

So water is attracted to that shone infrared light on that. It would continuously flow as long as that light stayed there. So the tube is flat, there's no pump. It's just like laying there flat and the water, as long as there was water there to flow and infrared light shining on it, it's because the water has that charge that we talked about last time when it becomes structured along the hydrophilic membranes, is this all coming back?

So it's continually flowing. Yes. Meaning that of course, we need our heart to be pumping like that's pretty uh, yeah, but if the valves were open and not doing anything theoretically, if this theory is correct, like the blood would still be flowing to some [00:05:00] degree. again, it's still important that it's pumping because it's vortexing the blood structuring the water within the blood.

Josh: So like when your heart stops beating. Yes. And you die. 

Erin: Well, You think the valves are closed, so it's almost like a blocking of that flow. Gotcha. So it's less to do with the heart is no longer pumping. It's 

Josh: that you're not getting blood. It's that it stopped the flow. 

Erin: Okay. Yeah. And we know this kind of also because like when you study a heart that's somebody's under like an immense amount of stress, whether they're doing like some high intensity exercise or something. What we used to think, the heartbeat is elevating, going faster, to keep up with the oxygen demands. But more so the heart is responding to the energy demands of the tissue, which is drawing more blood. Anyway it's... Wild. Yes. Once it hits a certain intensity, the valves almost just stay open.

So that's how we know that it's not so much the pumping. It's just the heart's trying to keep up with it. Anyway, it's insane. I 

Josh: know. In other words, energy is the future of medicine. It is! Aka Ruti.life. 

Erin: I mean, this isn't necessarily has to do with [00:06:00] bioenergetic testing per se, but just the fact that all these things that we thought were true about the human body.

Yeah. the paradigm shifting is happening because it's like there's so many variables now that are not making sense with the old paradigm. the things do not add up. The fact that The pressure that would be required of the heart to pump the blood fully throughout the body we're off by a million.

Josh: You look like an idiot at this point. 

Erin: Yes, I know. So, you know, In a hundred years or so, we're going to look back and be like, Oh my gosh, all those cardiologists. Like, what the fuck were they doing? But, we live and learn. Hopefully. And science. Hopefully. Yes. And science, I think.

I, I heard this recently, but science shifts and changes one funeral at a time. So it's as the old way of thinking starts to literally die off, the new has space to come 

Josh: through. I'd say that happens with politics too. And 

Erin: probably everything. Yeah. Yeah. That's why they're trying to take the boat away from the 18 year olds.

Josh: we are. Yeah. Lalalalala. Lalalalala. Rewind.[00:07:00] That's fascinating. Now coming from the spiritual side of things. Yeah. with heart mathing. Yeah. You know how I feel energy, and I can feel it quickly. They talk about how that has theories where my quantum bubble is bumping into everyone else's quantum bubble and I'm just in tune with it, there is like a level of that, that has been proven inside of quantum biology with heart mapping.

They're attempting to prove that in some cases, people can interact with the energy that is being presented from the heart in other people. for some reason, the individuals that can feel that energy, what the body is dissecting that energy and identifying it being a certain type of energy.

Interesting. Does that make sense? Kind of. Kind of? You just talked to me about some vortex in the heart! Get outta here! You're, 

Erin: bumping into another person's field and 

Josh: you are... So like with heart math the heart has, what, four times the brain? I 

Erin: think it's even, it's more so than that. The brain is two or three [00:08:00] inches and the heart is like four or five 

Josh: feet.

Great. So there you go. So when I come in contact with that, what I'm doing is interacting with the energy from the heart that is essentially creating all energy and emotion in the body. Even though everyone thinks it's the brain, it clearly isn't. The powerful aspect is the heart. So they're trying to prove when people come in contact with the energy that the heart is Emitting.

I'm able to decipher what that energy is and where you sit in emotion. 

Erin: Interesting. I love, HeartMath does really cool research so they have this concept of coherence where your heart and your brain actually like Line up together like they the way that your heart is, they measure it through HRV and then they measure your brain waves with an EEG.

But they kind of align in this coherent sort of pattern. 

Josh: This is Erin's sciencey explanation. And then you just heard my spiritual explanation. It's great. I bump into your energy. I feel it. I know what it is. I ask you what's going on. 

Erin: So you're probably in coherence, which is awesome, but it's even more awesome because [00:09:00] they.

have studied and now know that when a person is incoherent, which matters because there's all sorts of benefits from being incoherent, like it's better mood, better physiology, all the things. when a person who is trained and able to get into coherence, a state of coherence When you sit at a table with a person, even if you've never even been told the concept of coherence before, you're more likely to become coherent.

Josh: Well, There's that study where they had six people in a room at a table, five of them knew how to do it, the sixth one didn't, and the sixth started doing it unknowingly. Yeah, 

Erin: so energy is... Awesome 

Josh: fucking 

Erin: matters. Yeah. And I just think it's a good reminder that like we don't end at our skin barrier like, uh, 

Josh: no.

Yeah. 

Erin: So it feels like that's all that there is to us. But there's so much more and the way that we're constantly interacting, whether we're aware of it or not, but constantly interacting with our environment with nature with other people with animals and trees that like It's not woo woo anymore.

Like we know that these things are, impacting [00:10:00] one another. Yes. Anyway. Boom. Done. Roasted. Boom. Done. Roasted. I love, I think that's why I love quantum stuff so much because it meshes like the physical and the spiritual sort of realm. Like it gives some verbiage for my like, I don't know, nerdy brain to understand the spiritual realm.

Granted, I'm still really down with like mysticism 

Josh: and mystery. You appreciate more substance in 

Erin: it though. Yeah, but like just learning about the heart yesterday having my mind completely blown wide open like I thought this was just a pump all along. 

Josh: Yeah, you're coming from an intense career in westernized medicine to you've been trained like I'll hear those things and I'll be like, yeah, that makes sense.

We were like, what the fuck? This is crazy. I was taught this for 10 years. 

Erin: It also just has so many implications. Like I used to work in the pediatric. Cardiac ICU. Yeah, where we had kids who had congenital heart stuff and they would have that's what I'm saying like your careers foundation. Now. I'm like guys We are putting them in the worst environment to heal.

Yeah, there's no natural light It's all artificial [00:11:00] light that we're shining on these poor kids and not that you could probably have a cardiac ICU with In a bubble. Outside. But, I don't know there's gotta be a way to incorporate some red light and stuff like that within inpatient setting. Anyway, that's a podcast for another day.

Maybe one day 

Josh: we'll make that happen. Yeah. Make 

Erin: waves, babe. Yeah. I could see myself doing stuff like that. There you go. Because I do believe like, there's obviously a time and a place for conventional medicine. Congenital heart disease is a great, you know, example of that. Like a kid born with hypoplastic left heart is not going to just survive without.

some serious. Yeah. Interventions. Sure. But the fact that we could give them so many other things that we're not even considering, I mean, don't even get me started on diet and stuff in the hospital, but yeah, but the light stuff just never even crossed my mind.

Boom. Boom. What's lighting you up? That's how I feel every day. Some of it, though, you may 

Josh: feel that inside. You don't show it on the outside. Here's the thing. Let's talk about that for a second. 

Erin: Okay I'm just in my head a lot because I'm thinking. However, it's a little bit disorienting and overwhelming [00:12:00] sometimes.

I was talking to another friend who's in this world and I was like, there are so many rabbit holes that I could go down and it's really disorienting because it's like I'm constantly unlearning what I thought I knew. Sure. Which is fine from the conventional to this kind of new paradigm. Shift like I'm getting more and more cozy with that and used to get in my mind blown But it's when it's like I'm learning something that I learned even within the holistic community sure or within the wellness community Whatever when I'm unlearning those things, I'm like at what point is what I know Safe to share I guess does that make sense.

Josh: Yeah, I mean that makes sense for you 

Erin: but that's what I'm grappling with And I had this came up in a breathwork session the other day, but I'm so afraid of being wrong. And it's not so much as like a

like a pride thing. I don't really care if somebody tells me that I'm wrong, calls me out for being wrong. It's more so I don't want to disseminate false information because it's been done to me. Sure. Does that make sense? But it's like a very tricky thing to sift through when I'm constantly unlearning things.

Yes. All the fucking time. 

Josh: One of the best ways to trust [00:13:00] somebody is when they can feel confident and safe enough to go back on something that they've learned.

So like even Hugh Rimmons done that where he's had an entire podcast about something and then he learned something new and he'll be like, this just kind of blew what I just talked about out of the water. Like here's a new finding and here's what I'm learning. And take this into consideration with everything that I just said.

And you're like. Hell yeah. Welcome to 

Erin: science. Yeah, and that's why science is so stuck, is because we're all afraid to do just that. 

Josh: Yeah I don't necessarily know if people are afraid to do that. I think it goes even further back, that they're afraid to receive any new information because they're so stuck in their ass.

Yeah, so that's the problem, which honestly, it's closed minded 

Erin: medicine. It is closed minded, but it's also driven. It has a lot of outside drivers, right? It's got like politics. It's got money. It's got. 

Josh: But even the holistic wellness, like they're spewing stuff left and right all day long. Yeah. There's like personal experiences.

We talk about that all the time, like I can talk about my personal experience, but I can't tell you if it's going to [00:14:00] work for you. But everyone in the holistic wellness community says it does not everyone, but a lot of people. then you have kind of like a wild, wild West in holistic medicine where there's a lot of people that are not as educated, meaning like they don't have a anatomical, Education.

Is that what, is that correct? That sounded so good coming out. Shoot. My brain just clicked that and it was like, 

Erin: anatomical education. Tap on the back Blatch. I mean, yes, I did have an anatomy and physiology 

Josh: class, but that's not. What I'm saying is there's an understanding of the body that in many cases is left out of the holistic wellness space.

And people are understanding the types of medicines that are being administered modalities, even, but I think there needs to be this real understanding of the connections that exist and all that's going on in order for holistic wellness to take a stand. And until that happens. I think we're going to be dealing with a lot of trust issues holistic [00:15:00] wellness is expensive, especially because insurance doesn't cover any of it, so many people are spending so much money with people that mean well, I'm not saying that they're like malintent at all, but they're treating based on their experience.

and less about the research that they're doing because they're not. that's causing problems. Yeah. Randover.

Erin: So much of it has less to do with even being like undereducated or underinformed. It's more so if you're not open to changing your mind when you learn new information, if I get stuck in that dogma, that framework of thinking, and I'm not open minded to ever changing my mind. with new information. I think that's where we get stuck and trapped because I swear to God, for every new thing I learn about the human body, I have to unlearn five other things that I thought I knew.

You're learning at a rapid rate. Yeah. And probably a lot of people in the wellness space are, but it's the ones that I feel like get stuck or so fixated, hyper fixated on one thing. Then they lose sight of the big picture and they lose [00:16:00] sight of, I don't know, the overarching realities. They're not open minded to change their opinion or change their mind when they have new information.

There 

Josh: also is this idea, too, with the lack of open mindedness that this is the only way to heal. Yeah. I experience this, I see it, I mean, that happens in Westernized and functional medicine. I was going to say, it's not all that different 

Erin: from the conventional 

Josh: model. It's not in so many ways. I mean, that's why we started Ruti because we were kind of experiencing similar things just with maybe slightly more empathy on the functional medicine side.

There has to be this holistic construct in order to heal. And that's going to look different for everyone. Ruti on a bio individual level is going to help with where your body's most imbalanced, but there's emotional aspects to that. There's past traumas, past lives even. And we have to take all of that into consideration and be open minded enough that science and technology is going to continue to evolve.

And it's going to evolve faster now, more than ever. with AI and all of the new advancements that are happening literally just in 2023. We have to accept that and receive it well enough to [00:17:00] utilize it to help people not only get better and fully heal, but potentially to do it even a little faster. Cause it was slow as fuck when I was healing.

Erin: Yeah. And it's like, we, we need the people that have. Super niche interests and research and who are studying like one tiny little part of a very big picture. We need those 

Josh: people to say, we need that for advancement. Yeah, 

Erin: for sure. It's really easy to get lost in the weeds though if, at least from a practitioner's perspective, and this is why it took me so long to actually feel Confident and comfortable taking on clients because I'm constantly learning.

I'm like, I don't want to direct people the wrong way just because I don't know something, but we can get really lost in the weeds talking about really minute things. So whether that's, I don't know, oxalates or there's just so many different parts and pieces that are a part of this puzzle and it's helpful to have an understanding of all of it.

But generally speaking, we can make a lot of progress. Like 80 percent is foundation. Right. I agree. And I can help people do that. That's big [00:18:00] picture stuff. What are we eating? What are we drinking? What are we breathing? How are we breathing? 

Josh: Mindfulness. Yes, mindfulness. The energy you're putting into it.

Yeah. Your sleep. All of that. Yeah. 

Erin: I love, Dr. Katherine Clinton talks about this all the time, but we've got safety signals for the body and we've got danger signals for the body. And this is just, it's a really simplified way to think about it so that we don't get lost in the weeds. Yeah. But you think about.

How we've evolved as a species and all the safety signals, the vast majority of them, maybe all of them have to do with living in communion and in connection with our environment, with nature. We've become so disconnected from that almost a hundred percent for a lot of us. We don't have any clue what stage the moon is in.

We don't know where the sun is during the day. We haven't seen water in weeks. We don't eat. seafood because we don't live near water like historically humans had to live near water sources right and so now we've removed that as a dietary source we've removed being in water and grounding in water like we get all those electrons like [00:19:00] we don't have that stuff anymore instead we have all these artificial non native emfs non native light sources these things that are constant danger signals to the body the body literally like at a mitochondrial level it's yikes foreign 

Josh: bad that's an interesting piece of human body from a biological perspective has not evolved as fast as the technology around us.

So we haven't been able to adapt to all of the things that are infiltrating us at a rapid 

Erin: rate. For hundreds of thousands of years, we were an outdoor species. Yeah. Within the last maybe 300 years, we've instead, now we live almost 90 percent of our lives inside. 

Josh: In the past. 40 years, exponentially more.

Yes. 

Erin: And so then we wonder why chronic illness statistics are just damning right now. Like, it's scary. Even kids now, it's like 50 some percent of children have a chronic 

Josh: condition. But the generation before us was at like 5 percent. 

Erin: Yeah. I think a generation and a half ago, I think kids, chronic illness in kids, which would be like [00:20:00] eczema, allergies, asthma, all those things are considered like chronic conditions along with other things.

Type 2 diabetes and etc. I think the percentages, it was less than =5%. It was like one or two. Generation and a half ago, so 150 years ago. Absolutely insane. And now we're at like 50, 60 percent or something. It's absurd. I think a lot of it has to do with we are so completely disconnected with our natural environment, which kind of is a good segue into what we're going to talk about today, which is like.

plant medicine and I just think we have so much to learn from nature, from plants, from trees, from mushrooms, like all of these things that we have evolved with and we've just lost our connection. It's 

Josh: wild. Experiences that we're having with plant medicine and have had, like you've done Kambo, I've done other things, it's wild.

I think we were very hesitant. And keep in mind, everyone that's listening to this, do this legally, find states that approve of this message. Like, I understand the legality stuff and there's friction around all of that, but [00:21:00] this is just advice to do it legally and go out of states. Go to the rainforest if you want to do ayahuasca or whatever.

Just do it responsibly. Anyways, these things have changed our lives. You're talking about how being able to receive things And being open minded, even the constructs around all of mindfulness and the energy that I'm putting forth and everything has completely changed from plant medicine. Yeah, completely.

I feel so connected to source. I feel so connected to earth. I feel. Like young Josh again, and not even like the Josh that you met, cause that dude was baller, but like the seven year old Josh, who just had very little traumas and was just innocent, completely innocent. Yeah. Life looks new again. My experience with all of those types of medicines would have looked different if I wouldn't have healed first.

So I completely understand that like. [00:22:00] I had to go through my journey to get to that point to then experience platinum medicine in the way that I'm experiencing it. I had this mentality or approach to life that there is so much beauty around it, but I could never get over the hump mentally to experience it all the time.

And it feels right now, I'm experiencing it at rapid rates. all day, every day and like experiencing the fall and the leaves changing or just flowers or different smells or just watching Zoe play on the trampoline, just watching her being pure joy and me feeling the joy that she's feeling and feeling connected to everyone.

All of that wouldn't have happened without the help of plant medicine. But I want to be careful with saying all of that, too. I'm not relying on plant medicine to continue to give me that. I feel like it gifted me new neural pathways to then go live my life in that beauty. And so all the encouragement is if you're interested in it, investigate that, follow your intuition and genuinely understand that these things have been here for a million [00:23:00] years.

we're watching people heal through it. Ruti has a place in healing. Duh, we're literally the co founders. We were going to say that, but there's different parts of the journey and how you evolve where you're going to need different things at different times. Yes.

Remedies are powerful supplements, herbals, homeopathics got me out of bed. It healed me from being bedridden, but there's this whole mental. side and emotional side and how you're connecting to your inner self and the outer world and actually how you're just connected all the time with the outer world and nature and humans.

 I was even just thinking the other day, not on anything, just thinking the other day, how connected we all are and how we just like go through life, like we're not, and we have all of these hopes and dreams and desires that are our birthright. We individually have those and we should be thinking them.

Desires are meant to be had. We're meant to fulfill those desires, but we do it so siloed. We don't connect with other people that have similar desires. We just become lonely. And I [00:24:00] was reading a thing. The other day, actually it was from a podcast where he was talking about this is the loneliest generation to exist.

I believe that. And that the entire world is creating that generation with technology, with unhealthy habits. And it's almost being positively encouraged to go into that loneliness. We have to get out 

Erin: of that. We spend so many hours a day looking at these tiny screens. Like it blows my mind when I pull back and I do it like it's not, I'm not immune to this.

It's jarring. Like when I'm in our little downtown area and I see the local middle schoolers walking to school, 80 percent of them have their head in the phone as they're walking to school. I do. And it's not that I'm judging them. I see adults do it. I do it. I catch myself on my phone around my kid, but it's like, we're addicted to the dopamine rush 

Josh: that we get.

So that's what plant medicine changed for me. It is creating new neural pathways that is scientifically proven. [00:25:00] It feels like I have this new chance at life. Like I'm getting dopamine from the surroundings. Not the technology anymore. It feels like I completely detached from that. It just feels like source and nature is just continuing to teach me and gift me with these teachings that the amount of connectedness that exists all around us that we can't see, like we were just talking about heart math and how we can feel each other's emotions from four or five feet away, like that is great to talk about, but that is happening.

Everywhere with every person, with every living thing, which includes nature. And so listen to that, go out and observe and be curious and allow yourself to evolve in the ideas that could exist. It's really hard to do. With 34 years of a different mentality, different training, different forms of education, different things ingrained into my current neural pathways, plant medicine allowed me [00:26:00] to create new opportunities to see new light and new ways of thinking.

And. It's been really beautiful. We have our friend Kelsey coming on, who is doing heavy research with different types of plant medicine in the mental health space. She is a mental health practitioner who is literally facilitating in Seattle. This for the aid in depression specifically, but then other mental health issues.

We aren't as educated as somebody like Kelsey. I can only share my experience inside of plant medicine and I'm umbrellaing it. New word because I believe that each type of plant medicine is unique experience to each person and what you feel called to whether it be like psychedelics like ayahuasca or psilocybin or a frog in the rainforest meaning Kambo like what you experience whatever you're intuitively being called to listen to that.

My experience is my experience and I want yours to be the same but just be curious about all of those other type of medicines because They're speaking truth into a lot of people [00:27:00] and people are having life changing experiences, including myself, and it doesn't have to be intense. It doesn't have to be a purge.

And it 

Erin: definitely doesn't have to be psychedelic in nature. Like getting in tune with the rhythms of nature, the rhythms of our natural environment, like be it the seasons, the moon cycles, like there's so much to learn from that. I mean, 

Josh: even just herbals. Like we have an herbalist, it'll be released next week.

She's incredible. I'm stoked for you guys to hear it. That is also plant medicine, completely legal at a minimal cost. That's not going to even remotely touch your psyche. This is just herbals and it's changing people's lives. It's reactivating their brains. It's I'm excited for you to hear about that, but it just is.

general plant medicine, and it's beautiful, and we love it, and it has changed 

Erin: our lives. I read this quote recently. It's, I think, a Japanese legend or parable or something. It says, If you feel like you're losing everything, remember, trees lose their leaves every year, yet they still stand [00:28:00] tall and wait for better days to come.

So. I just, again, we can learn so much from just the seasons around us, from living in tune with the seasons. We're just so deeply disconnected from that. Culture, capitalism tells us that if we're not living in an eternal spring that we're doing something wrong. Like if things aren't constantly growing and producing that we're somehow behind or we're missing the ball.

And every single year If we're open and aware of it, we can see, no, like these, our entire world and climate and plants, everything has to take a break. Everything has to lose their leaves and give time for rest and dormancy and to allow for growth to occur. When the season calls for it. 

Josh: So wild. I know that I'm like super spiritual and I know that I feel things and I know it can sound weird, but like all of this plant medicine, whether it be like just literally herbals to ayahuasca, it has so much spiritual activation in it.

Like we are [00:29:00] connecting to things that have been around for millions of years. 

Erin: Yeah. And that we evolved with, we watched the Fantastic Fungi documentary recently, which If you haven't seen it, go watch it. It's so cool. But they hypothesized, like it's a pretty reasonable explanation. Our brains evolved rapidly over a period of time and there's not a great explanation.

Josh: Four times over like a million years. 

Erin: Evolutionarily, it was like, whoa, how did that happen? That should have taken a lot longer. And they are hypothesizing that it's because the cave people, and I'm sure there's another term for the, but when they were hunting, they would be following the poop of the animal that they're hunting.

And we know that they would eat the psilocybin mushrooms. It was a mushroom. Yeah. Yeah. Off of the animal and they would probably trip and they would probably make these new neural pathways. which allowed them to see and grapple with just different sensorial things. Like, they would maybe able to understand geometry because of this, and then they could make different weapons, and then they could, so it just [00:30:00] supercharged the brain.

But all that to say, these and all the plants have ancient wisdom. It sounds a little woo, but there's scientific explanations behind that. These plants have evolved to survive. And so we'll 

Josh: talk. And we'll continue to survive when we're gone. 

Erin: Yeah, they're not relying upon us like we are on them, but they have all of these qualities like these phytochemicals in them.

I'm not necessarily talking about mushrooms anymore, but just plants in general. They have all these properties to keep them alive and surviving against predators. Like they don't have, yeah, they don't have teeth and claws to defend themselves except for the venus flytrap, but they have phytochemicals to protect themselves against pests, against fungi and 

Josh: other things.

They have science. with mycelium, specifically. So mycelium is like what originates. 

Erin: It's the underground network of mushroom. Yes. Connectivity. 

The 

Josh: mycelium can communicate to not only its own species of mushrooms, but all other plants around it, that if the mother mushroom is in [00:31:00] danger, the mycelium will communicate that it's not safe to plant around it.

It will communicate through the mycelium to educate all other things attached to soil. To spread further out, it will start with its own mushrooms and you'll see the main mushroom clump, the mother mushroom, they call it, existing in a environment that doesn't perfectly suit that. And you'll see all of its other mushrooms scattered way further out.

then you'll see tree seeds being planted further out all because there is instability in the soil in that certain spot. That's wild. 

Erin: So it's the whole forest. It's not just a particular species, but they're all working together. 

Josh: It's a whole ecosystem below the ground. Yeah. 

Erin: And we do the opposite. Like we put our blinders on, we detach 

Josh: and become lonely.

So yeah, it's, Been an incredible journey. Obviously there was a difficult piece of it. And you don't have to purge. I know I just said that, but like, this can be graceful and gentle [00:32:00] and peaceful and just a gift to receive. And even in Ayahuasca, like Anastasia just talked about her experiences with that too.

Some were great and some were wild purges. Like it's just what your body needs when it needs it. And I mean, if mycelium can freaking tell trees to go plant somewhere else, cause it's not safe. You imagine it's not going to be able to tell you something. So just receive it as it is. 

Erin: Yeah. And I'm excited next week to talk with Chelsea, an herbalist, a little more about how and why herbs are so powerful for the body. But it has a lot to do with the phytochemicals that keep them safe in nature, can help to maximize our, the way that our cells perform, which is a lot different than, uh, like I often have to explain this to clients.

So we use... herbal, homeopathic, and nutritional supplements at Ruti, depending on what balance was for the client. We're so used to chemical medications. Yeah. And how those work and the way that those work is halting a biological process, like artificially halting something to eliminate a symptom, which [00:33:00] I'm not assigning good or bad to that.

I'm just, that's how Generally pharmaceuticals work. Yeah, sometimes it's necessary. Sometimes it's not. Whereas a plant medicine or an herbal remedy is working more at the like cellular level to improve the function of some cellular process. So the difference being whereas a drug you can take it in 30 minutes later, you're going to notice a change in your symptomology.

hopefully, if that's what you're looking for. Whereas with an herb, it's going to take time to reap the benefits. Yeah. Oh, 

Josh: sitting with these medicines, at least in my experience, yeah, like sitting with it was awesome. There was long term effects that I've been feeling. And even like in the past couple months where I'm like, Whoa.

This was way more powerful experience than I thought it was originally. Allowing it to evolve and understanding that it's a process and that you're going to start to experience new things because of it. The new neural pathways. It's literally like paving over scars and everything's smooth again. It's the [00:34:00] wildest feeling.

Erin: But honestly, that waiting period is, I think, part of the healing process because it allows us to really integrate what we're doing. Right? Absolutely. Mind, body, and soul. If we just take a drug to take away a symptom, there's no real healing happening. Yeah. I 

Josh: completely agree. I'd almost say, on top of that, that really being intentional about the integration process, even with an integration coach.

Or even just being incredibly mindful of it is so important. 

Erin: Yeah, don't expect to take a psychedelic and for all your problems to go away. You may have some really eye opening experiences. Any plant 

Josh: medicine, I would even say that with herbals. Like any herbalist would say that too, I believe. Even with herbs that we use with Ruti, like being super intentional about the integration and what that looks like and understanding that there is so much going on that we don't know about with those herbs that we have to allow it time for the body to start to Accept it and 

Erin: be okay with it.

[00:35:00] Yeah, and I love this is I don't say this to every client if they're not like bought in yet but I even love, like, when I take a remedy, be it homeopathic or herbal, to, like, have a minute, take it, and think about what it's doing in the body, how it's working, what it's healing, what it's focusing on. Because, we've talked about this before, but the power of belief, even, they've studied a lot of the placebo effects, so much of it has to do with what we believe, and Yes, of course the phytochemicals are doing something, but I also believe that our minds telling our body that the phytochemicals are doing something Yeah, is only gonna benefit.

I agree outcome. So yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I just being aware and connected be curious Yeah, listen 

Josh: to your intuition because it's awesome. 

Erin: Yeah intuition is where it's 

Josh: at I love this DME anytime about it because I can chat about this all day long. It's changed my life There we are. Love you guys. Love you guys.

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