Investment Ready: Thriving Non-Profits

We talk with Kristi Rivait, co-founder of Scale Collaborative about what it really takes for nonprofits, charities, co-ops, and social enterprises to become financially strong and ready for investment. We dig into mindset shifts, diversified revenue, and why capacity building is the fastest path off the grant hamster wheel. 

• Scale Collaborative as “infrastructure” for the social change sector 
• Four pillars: Thriving Non-Profits cohorts, activation support, access to capital, and research through the institute 
• Scarcity mindset and why leaders feel they cannot spend on themselves 
• Earned income and revenue diversification to increase impact and stability 
• The access to capital gap and why non-profits are seen as risky 
• Why boards need an entrepreneurial lens to support smart risk 
• How Alberta community foundations helped scale the program online during COVID 
• Why sending an ED, senior staff, and a board member changes outcomes 
• Reframing “not for profit” as mission first, not profit banned 
• Ways organizations and funders can partner, share, and amplify the work 

About Our Guest
Kristi Rivait brings 20+ years of executive-level experience in the non-profit sector. In 2014, she co-founded Scale Collaborative and is their Director of Partnerships and Programs. Kristi is renowned for her expertise in organizational transformation, sustainable financial growth and building community wealth. Kristi has coached and empowered hundreds of nonprofits to achieve greater operational and societal impact through diversified revenue, scaling programs, asset and real estate acquisition, social enterprise, partnerships, and investment. Kristi co-developed Thriving Non-Profits, initially a local initiative in Victoria, BC. Over the past three years, she has scaled the Thriving Non-Profits revenue diversification leadership program across Canada and transformed it from a single program into one of the country’s leading non-profit and social enterprise innovation and learning hubs. Kristi is the co-founder and Board Chair of the Thrive Impact Fund. This  impact-first fund provides patient, flexible capital to non-profits, charities, co-ops, and social enterprises across BC and allows investors to achieve financial returns while create deep positive impact in their communities. Kristi was awarded the runner-up for Non-Profit Leader of the Year in 2022 for BC Business and is a TEDx Speaker. 

What is Give Amplify Connect?

There’s a story behind every action. Give Amplify Connect is a podcast from the Wolfe Pack Warriors Foundation that gives a voice to the Alberta-based charitable organizations creating community impact, changing lives, and making a difference. Driven by honest conversations with host Kristy Wolfe, it’s a chance for passionate changemakers to share their story. 

Learn more at wolfepackwarriors.com

Podcast music used with artist permission
"Okay" by Ellen Braun 

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Why Self-Investment Feels “Not Allowed”

Kristi Rivait 0:00

Think how do we help nonprofits or charities or social enterprise really get ready for investment? We do see that organizations really struggle to spend those resources on themselves at the front end because, again, that mindset shifts. They don't feel they're allowed to spend that money on professional development.

Welcome And Who We’re Talking To

Announcer 0:20

Welcome to Give Amplify Connect, the Wolfe Pack Warriors Foundation podcast that dives deeper into the stories of the charitable organizations in Alberta that are making a difference. Host and producer Kristy Wolfe sits down with the leaders of the nonprofit world to learn more about their purpose, hopes, and dreams. Settle in for an honest conversation with Kristy about the impact people are making in their communities and how they keep moving forward.

Kristy Wolfe 0:50

With me today is Kristi Rivait, co-founder of Scale Collaborative. Now, I met Kristi recently at the Bow Valley Nonprofit Summit that was put Kristi was invited to talk about thriving nonprofits. She did a keynote and a workshop with all of the organizations that were involved in the summit. Kristi, I am so glad you're here with me today. And I know we had a lovely conversation. I learned a lot, but I'm excited for today's conversation and digging in a little bit further. Will you please take a few minutes to introduce yourself and Scale Collaborative?

Kristi Rivait 1:21

For sure, Christy. It's great to be here. It was wonderful to meet you at the summit. So looking forward to our conversation today.

Scale Collaborative’s Four Infrastructure Pillars

Kristi Rivait 1:28

I am the co-founder of Scale Collaborative. And what I really like to think about Scale, it's more of an umbrella organization. And within it sits the infrastructure that we need in the nonprofit sector to really create a thriving social change sector, whether you work in the environment, social, cultural mission areas, what is that infrastructure that is needed to help our organizations thrive? So we know that when organizations thrive, our nonprofits thrive, so do our communities thrive, as so does our economics thrive. So we really in scale built the infrastructure that's needed for nonprofits. So how we really invisize it is thriving nonprofits is the outcome. Right. And so to order to do that, we've got four pillars that we really think through. So the three pillars, the three infrastructure pillars are thriving nonprofits, let's say the cohort program. And that's where organizations start to really think around what is the mindset I have in my organization? How do I really shift that from scarcity approach that, you know, our sector has kind of been brought up in in this dependent financial model? And also, what are the revenue diversification streams that I can bring? Because I want to be able to have more impact, both operationally for my team as well as societally for the mission that we want to bring. So that thriving nonprofits cohort, we do it in many forms. We have a boot camp, we have a cohort, we have a self-pace, we have a big platform online that you can come and check out. Um, but really that's about thinking through those revenue diversification streams and that new mindset. Then we see organizations need, some organizations need deeper, I would say, activation support. So, how do you integrate those strategies into your organization? What is particular ongoing coaching or maybe deep consulting that you need? You might want to buy it and assets. So, how do you get those financial projections? How do you help your board shift into being a board that governs with an entrepreneurial lens? They learn how to take risk, they learn how to really function as part of that organization in a real uh thriving way. And then we also see organizations might need help. How do you integrate financial strength into your strategic plan? Right. So all those different ways that sometimes consultants can really support. So that's that second piece of infrastructure, that activation. And the third piece is really access to capital. So what we've seen historically is a lot of nonprofits can be deemed risky. So it's hard to access traditional financing. And if we layer on that many of our nonprofits are led by women, and we know the research backs us that women face additional barriers to accessing capital. You've got a sector that can have a difficult time. They don't have the tech money that they can just innovate and test things. So we created uh Impact Investment Fund, Thrive Impact Investment Fund, that really supports nonprofits, charities, co-ops, and social enterprises to be able to access that capital they need to be able to sometimes integrate that next strategy. The fourth part of Scale Collaborative is really an arm's length charity, that Scale Institute Society. And that is where we can research different ways to build community wealth. How do we start to look at blended finance to help nonprofits to really uh build community wealth? How do we hold the assets that we own in community now and not lose them? Right? How do we continue to build more assets that all of community can use? So really thinking through, and so I would say all four of those pillars are critical infrastructure and they inform each other. So what we see as organizations coming through Thriving Nonprofits, the cohort, we can bring back into, you know, the institute to sort of research. We see this gap and this really problem that nonprofits are facing. How do we, what can we do to solve it? Right. And since we're investors on this side, we can also think how do we help nonprofits or charities or social enterprise really get ready for investment? How do they become investment ready in a way that actually works for the different financial institutions as well as the funds that are across our country?

Kristy Wolfe 6:08

Oh, I appreciate this. It's really helpful. And like I was there, I was in the keynote, I was in the workshop, I was like loving it. But also, you're taking in a lot of information at one point. So thank you for summarizing the whole umbrella uh structure that you have. I want to know before we go more into driving nonprofits, I do want to know how did you get involved? How did this come to be? What's your story?

From Deficit Budget To Earned Income

Kristi Rivait 6:28

Uh, my story is I am a former executive director. I was I was in the nonprofit sector for a long time, and I came into an incredible organization that was in deficit and that it was plain and simple, and they didn't actually even have the resources for an executive director. So I came into facing uh deficit. I was relatively new in the sector. I had worked in program roles and things like that and frontline staff, but I hadn't really taken it from an operational point of view. And so when I walked into that organization and I could see the deficit, I just thought, well, we got to do things differently. And so, you know, my organization we really looked at earned income strategies because we wanted to be able to direct resources in our organization. And we also wanted to be able to answer community need when it needed us the most. So if you think about grants, sometimes you apply for a grant in six months, you maybe high find out in 12 months, then you get those resources. So has the problem changed or is it still there? Or we wanted to be able to uh identify the problems and the opportunities in our community and really face them head on with some of our own resources. So that I thought was sort of normal, but I realized over time being in that leadership role, that that's not how a lot of other nonprofits were functioning. And they were being forced into not knowing if their programs would carry forward because they weren't sure they were going to have the grant next year. They weren't sure they would be able to keep that staff. And so I could start to see this hamster wheel that some of the people I respected the most and were much larger than my organization and had been in the sector a lot longer. I was like, this actually isn't an organization problem. This is a structural issue within this sector. So I really started thinking about what was my next move because I really enjoy that growth and that scaling piece. And you know, growth doesn't always mean getting bigger, it can mean going deeper into the mission that you want. So growth can be defined in many different ways. But I really thrive myself as a human being in that space of let's go do this, let's have a vision and let's try to create something. I'm less um inclined to want to work on board manuals. So I also realized that there would be a place in this organization after we'd scaled in growth, that there was time for a new leader to come in and almost manage the operations in that way, and then they'd grow again. Right. And so I was thinking about what to do.

The Access To Capital Gap Up Close

Kristi Rivait 9:16

I also was an executive director that tried to purchase one of the Anglican church when they were the diocese was selling off their properties. One was in my community, and because I was a neighborhood-based organization, I had uh a catchment that I had to really work within. And so when that property came up, it was a natural fit for us. It would be a real estate purchase, an asset we could bring into community. And the problem was that the church at that time, the foundation was so old and rickety. I couldn't put programming in there. I couldn't put kids in there, I couldn't do anything with it. I had to tear it down and start again. Um, we needed a year that we didn't have to pay back those loans. We needed a year of grace to create something magical for our community. That property sat right beside a playground that was never used. It was an old kind of dirt grass field with bumps and this, you couldn't play soccer on it and things like that. So it was actually eight city lots in total. So the community had a beautiful vision of a shared space, some affordable housing, um, shared services, and how we really served the community in a different way. So then we tried to get the resources. And at that time, I literally needed $200,000 in bridge financing. Like it was so small. And I couldn't get it anywhere. And I went to different foundations, I went to the United Way, I went to our credit unions, I went to the banks, I tried everywhere. And nobody would touch us because they saw we were too risky. We didn't actually have, we couldn't prove the revenue in the building that didn't exist yet. So we didn't have a track record. And so we tried everything as a community. And you know, if you think about going back like 15, 20 years ago, there wasn't, I didn't really know necessarily about community bonds. I didn't know of these different financial tools we could use, and they didn't really exist. So we lost that property. And to this day, three houses sit on there, and that field is, you know, it's it's got a couple of uh, you know, structures on it now, but there's nothing in that space. And that really bothered me. That really bothered me. And I thought I'm not the only executive director that's facing this access to capital gap. And so my co-founder and I, uh, and we had another person that joined us very, very early. We just really sat down and thought, and we had all been in the sector for so many years, and we had done things differently than some of our colleagues. That we sat down and said, what is it going to take to have a thriving nonprofit sector? What are the infrastructure pieces that need to happen? And so we could easily identify that mindset shift that needed to happen in some of the organizations, many, many of the organizations. We could identify that revenue diversification that needed to change, that shift from grant dependency into utilizing grants, of course, they're always going to be critical for our sector, but utilizing them in different ways and not expecting that they're gonna necessarily pay for a program 20 years down the road. And sort of really thinking um, or all your programs. Maybe they'll pay for one, but it's not gonna be all the things you want to do. And so we really sat down and we could see that that opportunity with that capacity building. We could see that culture shift that was needed to change both internally in our organizations and maybe in society to understand that nonprofits can make profit and also that access to capital. So we strategically over the next 10 years built those infrastructure pieces for the sector. And we came together and thought we could go organization by organization by organization, we can actually bring uh the infrastructure needed to shift our entire sector across this country.

Kristy Wolfe 13:22

And so here we are now, 12 years later. So I didn't know about thriving nonprofits, which is shocking because there's quite a few groups in the Bow Valley that are using Thriving Nonprofits, and the Calgary Foundation knows all about you. So this is this is just new to me, and that was um, I think really exciting to learn about. I have heard firsthand from organizations locally just how much of a difference this program has made. But can you talk a little bit about that? I know Rocky Mountain Adaptive has gone through it. BAMF Sports Medicine, again, those are very much local to the Bow Valley, but I'm assuming there's also quite a few across Alberta. So can you speak a little bit to just how the thriving nonprofits has made an impact or a difference for organizations here in Alberta?

How Thriving Nonprofits Spreads In Alberta

Kristi Rivait 14:10

Yeah, thank you. Well, I would say, you know, when we look at nonprofits, you know, think about your nonprofits in Alberta. You've got incredible wisdom and experience in your leadership and in your teams. What they need is access to particular tools, expertise, and coaching in that strategic time that allows them to get out of that day-to-day, that hamster wheel that, okay, we've sorted this year financially. Let's start again for next year, like this thing. They need that opportunity to have that space. And a lot of times, as, you know, as our growing complexities and the needs of our community and the demand on nonprofits, they actually need that space carved out strategically. And they need to be able to hear other stories and learn from each other. Like there's so much that happens when we can gather nonprofits together. So we started in Alberta, I think the first one was 2020. In 2019, um, Community Foundations of Canada asked us to present at their conference because we were having such good success here locally. I, you know, I'm from Victoria, uh, British Columbia. So very small locally. We used to take about nine organizations a year through the program. And so then when Community Foundations of Canada asked us to present, we we presented and offered an opportunity for four foundations to test if we could do this as a blended model. Could you do it online? Could you build relationships? Could you do this kind of strategic work online? So Calgary Foundation was one of the four organizations that stepped in immediately and said, we want to try it. We want to bring something new to our sector beyond the check. We want to see how else we can serve our nonprofits. And so, you know, serendipitously we were moving online. And so that first cohort that was the blended model was running when COVID hit. So we all had to pivot, but we were moving online. We were building the airplane as it was flying. And so it was really um, you know, serendipitous in that moment of realizing that we could learn this in a different way. And now we had these tools that could also uh we could all use in different ways to be able to gather and build those relationships and that kind of learning. Calgary Foundation came on early. They support their, of course, Calgary and their wider uh territories around. And so um it's been immense pleasure. They've they've basically partnered since then, um, except for one year they had some had some things going on. And so the, you know, but they've they've um stepped in. And then really the Alberta foundations really started thinking about how they could collectively work together. And so that's been really interesting. So this year we piloted their first initiative as a collective of uh community foundations across the province, and this is was their test. So right now we are doing an Alberta-wide thriving nonprofits cohort that's um in motion. So that's a really exciting way of thinking uh, you know, just differently of how we service. You mentioned, you know, Rocky Mountain Adaptive, they've just been incredible. Like they they took those tools and that that coaching and that strategy time and really, you know, took off. And and what that means is so many more people that would have had barriers to participate in these are beautiful nature, actually can do that, can do that easily and can do that like in a real fulfilling manner. So I think about them, you know, there's other ones across Alberta, you singers of Calgary. Um, they've they've really they were able to increase their space and like realize that the assets they had within their own organization with their parents and things like that to just create something magical for kids today and kids tomorrow. Yeah. So there's many, many examples like that that I could go on and on with. But yeah, it's it's always fascinating to watch organization. The most rewarding day is the last day when they, in my opinion, um, when they present their strategies that they're going to work through and the aha moments they have in their mindset shift. And when that mindset shifts, that means that every time they think about a problem moving forward or an opportunity, they think about it differently. And if you've ever been in an organization that's gone from scarcity, I would say, to abundance thinking, everything changes and from your team meetings to just how you think about how you can serve community. It's very rewarding. And so for our employees and our workers, it's also very rewarding to work into an organization where your ideas can move forward. Um, there's not a fear of uh failure because failure is part of the process. And you're not terrified that if it goes wrong, it's gonna tank your organization because you won't have resources or you'll lose that grant, or you know, all of these different things. So it's incredibly uh it's been incredible to watch all the Alberta organizations and the incredible impact they've been able to make because of the program.

Kristy Wolfe 19:46

I want to talk a little more about Rocky Mountain Adaptive because they're one of the first organizations that we worked with. So we have a strong connection with Rocky Mountain Adaptive. But I actually want to use that as your model of talking about Thriving Nonprofits because one of the things that you've talked about is how you don't just send one person. And I would love to hear that piece around capacity building for multiple people and who maybe maybe Rocky Mountain Adaptive brought, or you might kind of reference another organization.

Why ED Staff And Board Attend

Kristy Wolfe 20:15

But how do people show up at Thriving Nonprofits? What does that look like?

Kristi Rivait 20:19

Yeah, great question. Um, we we highly encourage, and this doesn't always work perfect because of the size of an organization, so it might need to be thought through differently. Um, but we highly encourage your ED, uh a senior staff, and a board member to participate together. And the reason uh that's a completely strategic reason of integrating the cultural shift that takes place through the program into those three areas, if you think of your organization. And so that also allows your executive director have to have a champion on the board and for there to be some real honest, authentic conversations in um what happens when you if you have an entrepreneurial leader and you don't let them lead in that way and you clip their wings, often that's the board is clipping those wings on an executive director, or that executive director is clipping those wings on staff that really wants to be able to do and test and and and innovate and try things. So that just allows the organization to come to some great realizations, some deep conversations, which is what Rocky Mountain Adapted did. They they brought their team, their, you know, who they had selected. And we see that most organizations really try to bring those three, I would say, players in their organization, those three roles in their organization. And that makes an incredible difference.

Kristy Wolfe 21:52

I am really looking forward to the next Bow Valley nonprofits. I would love to hear from the four organizations in the Bow Valley that are currently doing the Driving nonprofits program. And having heard you speak about it to the group, um having heard a few of the organizations that had piloted it, kind of just by coincidence, they ended up talking about it in the panel that we also had that day at the summit. But I would really love to hear next year what those four organizations have taken away from it and continue to build that because I know that some of the organizations are nonprofits, but some are social entrepreneurs and like considered more of a business. And so seeing from both sides of it is something that I'm really looking forward to learning more about. And I know I'll have those conversations, but it's nice to be able to bring it to a larger group and kind of find out more. Um, would you come back and and kind of facilitate that panel?

Kristi Rivait 22:45

I would. I loved the summit. I thought they did. Um, and partners, like I thought that you all did such an incredible job of bringing community together. And I learned a lot. So it was good for me for learning as well. And I've already been percolating in my mind around, you know, we had that conversation about different assets. And, you know, it's interesting when you think about, you know, smaller towns or more, you know, the Bow Valley is very tourist-focused in in certain the some of the regions, of course, because of the beauty and and where you're sitting, but also around like looking collectively at some of those assets and how do we leverage those as individual organizations, but thinking in a collective way. I was chatting afterwards with um the Bam Canmore Foundation, of course, who is one of the groups that bring this to community, and um was like, you know, that would be that's a really interesting piece to also think about. And the other thing I'd say, Christy, around your idea of like allowing them to share their stories and stuff, we we just know how much happens when we hear people's stories, right? I would say that I've watched over the last um, so this year is Thriving Nonprofits 10th year anniversary.

Scarcity To Abundance And The Profit Myth

Kristi Rivait 24:07

Okay. And I've watched at the beginning of how much our sector has shifted a little bit and how some people were even nervous. You know how many times I facilitated that and was told we can't make profit in a nonprofit? We we're not allowed. And it's like, well, actually we can. That's actually it, that's an uh an interpretation of what that label is, right? Um, but I think when uh uh when organizations and people remember that not for profit doesn't mean it's what it means is the organization doesn't exist for the sake of making profit. The organization exists to use that profit for something different, and that's those societal and environmental and cultural benefits.

Kristy Wolfe 24:51

Oh, I appreciate you explaining that as well because I think not every branding issue is that. Yep, yeah, it is totally a branding issue.

Kristi Rivait 24:59

So I think the more we can tell these stories, the more we can do that. What it does in the moment, it is allows that other leader from that other organization that is like, okay, so if my colleague was able to do that, then that means I can do it too. Like it normalizes. And the other thing I've seen so many times is the weight that executive directors carry on the operational budget, that extreme weight. And I think them uh the freedom once they realize it's a structural issue, and it actually isn't an individual organization's fault. The freedom that and the pressure that is released, and we know innovation, creativity, all of that exists when that you're not being bogged down by like this immense fear of spending $100 or investing or utilizing, you know, and so it is really incredible. So I do um, I love those stories. I think it's a beautiful way of sharing and also raising awareness of the opportunity and community that that it's okay. And and this is actually happening. Our sector is transforming, and so you can jump on and transform as well. You're not even an outlier anymore. You can just do it.

Kristy Wolfe 26:22

Come on. And I know that we've really focused on the Bow Valley only because that's where I saw you, that you were presenting to this group of people, but we've worked with many organizations in both Calgary and Edmonton, the more urban centers. And so I encourage our partners from Edmonton and Calgary to take a look at thriving nonprofits, see if this program might fit your organization or having them come in and talk more to a group. And I'm especially thinking about the Jerry Forbes Center right now because they are housing 25 different nonprofits. And when you bring people together in spaces to work on these problems and kind of build capacity from within, I just see them especially this being a really good fit there.

How To Apply Partner And Share

Kristy Wolfe 27:03

So I want to ask on that note, how can people find out more? Maybe it's giving to your organization and some of the sides of things or amplifying, connecting you with somebody. What are the things that you would say would be helpful for continuing to build this progress in Alberta and across Canada?

Kristi Rivait 27:20

Yeah. Thanks, Christy. Yeah, I really think it's important. The word of mouth is, you know, a very strong uh way. So if I look at it from multiple angles, I would say as organizations, you know, apply to the program, we take intakes in spring and fall. And also if you are a funder or foundation, whether that's private or public, or you know, you might be a financial institution that wants to support their members. Those, I would say those who give funding to really think about what a partnership with Thriving Nonprofits can look like. Um, we do see that organizations really struggle to spend those resources on themselves at the front end because, again, that mindset shift. They don't feel they're allowed to spend that money on professional development, that small amount that we might bursary. And we do encourage organizations to pay some, but when um funders can show up and help support beyond the check like this, the capacity building, it is you'll never see a grant return like you see on this kind of a grant return because it transforms the organization. And I think because they go through it intently and those three uh roles in your organization, it's a it's basically a four to five month program that they go through and they there's strategic built-in time there. So they come out with a diversification strategy that we really see that it because it's intense and because it's short like that, um, it just catapults the organization forward because you know, we get to strategic plan what once a year, once every three years. So this is actually like it forces and gives the opportunity to go out of the day-to-day and go back into strategy again. That's what we hear over and over again, how much organizations value. So I'd say share it out through your newsletters and that we've got Edmonton organizations, Northern Alberta, Southern Alberta, uh, Bow Valley, all participating in this Alberta pilot. So it's really great. If you're an organization, share it with your local funder, you know, and say, I'm always happy to have a conversation with potential partners. The more partners we have, it means that the more this sector transforms even faster. And so, and and then these kind of storytelling moments, right? Like sharing this. I love your podcast. So so excited to um and honored to be on it. And then um, you know, doing these community storytellings, you know, writing a little bit, like just sharing out the opportunity through newsletters. You know, we've got such an easy package that we're able to give it to anybody to share out. So you don't have to create all of that, all the visuals and all the draft language is all created for you. So, and then tell your colleagues, like, and be okay. Be okay to just be a thriving nonprofit.

Kristy Wolfe 30:18

Be okay to be a thriving nonprofit. That is a great way to say that. Okay, on that note, I want you to finish us off with just telling us about a person or an organization that you've worked with that inspires you.

Leaders And Organizations That Inspire

Kristi Rivait 30:30

Well, I gotta, I gotta give it to Jamie and his team at Rocky Mountain Adaptive. I think they're doing incredible things. I I look, I know I mentioned uh the youth singers of Calgary. They really interesting work. Calgary Reads, another really interesting example of an organization that went through thriving nonprofits and decided to actually shut their organization, right? Instead of they realized they could have way more impact if they actually did a dandelion approach of putting their organization, which was really pro a program, into 16 different organizations. And so they didn't actually have to exist, they could have greater impact thinking about a disbursement model. So there's many, many different ways that we can function. I would say um Tanya uh Kosowski. I want to make sure I say her name right. Um groundbagging for kids. Um, I've I've I've really enjoyed Tanya over the years. She was their ED. She has since left there, but decided to become part of the team at Calgary Foundation that would look over the request for thriving nonprofits. And then she has created like a nature retreat that people can go to around, you know, sustainable leadership and how you have those moments as a team. So I appreciate people being bold. And so she's not necessarily uh exactly at a nonprofit anymore, but it's just around how do we care for people and Alison Schultz of Calgary Foundation. Like I feel this Alberta approach, she was a main driver to really think about how the foundation uh was able to support in a different way. And so I really want to give credit, especially back um, you know, if you think about back in 2019, um, it was a bold move. It was a test on something new and something innovative. And I really appreciate that she stepped into that.

Kristy Wolfe 32:38

Christy, thank you so much for joining me on Give Amplify Connect. This has been a wonderful conversation. I know that I will continue to have this conversation with people and likely with you, but thank you again. You bet. So nice. Thanks, Christy. Thank you for joining us today.

Final Words

Kristy Wolfe 32:53

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Ellen Braun 33:30

You're gonna be okay.