Discovering the Miracle of You
Join Rachael O'Brien explore the tools of Access Consciousness with special guests.
Discovering the Miracle of You
EP6: Business Done Different
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In Episode 6 of the Discovering the Miracle of You podcast, host Rachel O'Brien interviews Simone Milasas, a pioneer of Access Consciousness, creator of Joy of Business, and Relationship Done Different. They dive into overcoming control and chaos around money and business by choosing joy, contribution, and conscious creation.
Key Topics
- Create your reality: Don't let world chaos (wars, politics) define you—question everything like Socrates and choose what you truly desire.
- Receive and contribute: Drop limiting stories; surround yourself with capable people and focus on what you love (even if it doesn't seem "profitable").
- Life = Business: Enjoy every choice (a snowy walk, a nap); ditch familiarity for comfort and pivot by following energy.
- Real stories: Simone shares debt-free journeys, light investments, and quitting boring jobs; Rachel credits Simone for her 2012 breakthroughs.
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Why Listen
~30-40 min runtime. Perfect for entrepreneurs stuck in judgment or scarcity. Core message: "Your point of view creates your reality—what will you choose today?" Subscribe for more empowering episodes!
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What is it that you would like to have as your life? What would you like to create? What would you like to choose? Welcome to Discovering the Miracle of You Podcast. I am your host Rachel O'Brien and I invite you to know that you can change anything in your life that is not working for you and you can create anything you desire. Hello everyone and welcome to Discovering the Miracle of You Podcast and yay! And today I have, I'm going to say one of the people who sparked a lightness in me to go on a journey that would put me into discovering what was true for me and it's Simone Milasas.
Simone:Hi! Thank you for having me here.
Rachael:Not only are you the major mover of Access Consciousness, one of the first people to really expand and grow Access Consciousness, you're also the creator of Joy Business and you're also the creator of Relationships Done Different and the speciality within Access.
Simone:There's a lot going on and that's just the beginning.
Rachael:Exactly. So we're in a time in the world right now where a lot of people have a sense of being impacted by control and insanity in regard to money and business and I've known you since I met you in 2012, I won't ever forget it, in London and I got my butt to enjoy a business class called Access Business 101, was it?
Simone:I think it was, yeah. Making the impossible possible or something like that.
Rachael:Yeah, and so maybe you'd like to talk about what has kept you choosing what you know in regard to business, no matter what shows up in our external world. It's a wild capacity that I am enthralled by.
Simone:Okay, so the first thing that popped to me is you said business and money to begin with, like people being impacted, etcetera, in the world and then you said, ask me what keeps me going in business. I'm going to throw everything in there because it really is about living and what you choose to do and be as you choose to live. I mean, gosh, if you want to go insane, it's like go onto social media at the moment and change your algorithms to be all about Trump and what's happening in America or there's another war broken out or everything. There's so much stuff going on in the world right now that it's really easy to get pulled into it and to get pulled into the trauma and drama of it and what matters and that you have nowhere else to go. But my question is, is that what they decide to create? So in moments like that, because it's very, very intense right now, right? And I mean that as in you have to be aware of what's actually occurring, but do you have to buy it and create your reality around that or do you get to create your own reality? And that's what I get. We all need to choose in business, in money and life. And one of the things I've been looking at is, am I enjoying everything that I'm choosing? And I have questioned everything. I mean, one of my favourite philosophers is Socrates and Socrates always spoke about questioning everything. Don't take anything for granted, question it. And just because I've been facilitating Access Consciousness for 25 years or 20 years, I guess, question it. It's like what works for me and what doesn't work and what else is possible? Like really being in question about what next, what else is possible for me? What else is possible for what I would like to be in the world, to create in the world? And the one sure thing, Rachel, that always pops up for me is I'd like to create a world where there is more of a sense of possibility for those who are willing to have it, to not buy into the points of view that are designed to bring you down, to create fear, to create bite, to create unsurety. That's a choice that you have. And I know people listening to me or like this podcast or anything go, oh, yeah, but you don't know my story. I don't give a fuck about your story. You get to create your story. But really, you get to create your story. You get to navigate your ship. You're the captain of your ship. And it's like what are you going to choose? And, yeah, you can't be oblivious to it, to everything that's going on, and yet don't make that determine what you choose. You choose and determine your reality. And I think that's in business, in money, like one of the things I've been looking at, Rachel, is, you know, could I just take a month off if I wanted to? I love nature. Could I just go hang in nature for a month? And I was talking to someone I work with, and they were like, yeah, you should do it. And I went, so what happens to everyone I pay? Do I just tell them and just say, okay, you're not getting paid this month or, you know, whatever? And so there are these, like, things that you create, and as you get, I guess, more successful and you have more people who work with you, etcetera, that I do take into consideration. And yet I'm looking at what other revenue streams can I create and what other revenue streams can I choose that would be a contribution to everything so that it's not nothing is from necessity, it's all from choice. Is that making sense?
Rachael:To me, I always completely get what you're talking about. There's so many pieces that I want to pick out of what you just talked about. And I would say the main one is I don't give a fuck about your story. And so when I came to you, I had a story about business and money of lack, never getting what I required, never being given permission to ask for what I required, never being supported by someone who said, actually, you can have what you desire. And so I am so grateful that you didn't buy my story. And the part that I received from you was you said in that class, you know the way someone says something and it gets like...
Simone:Sticks.
Rachael:Yeah. You said, we were talking about business, and you said, can you guys contribute? And I looked around the room and I put up my hand and I was like, I know I can contribute. I know that I can contribute to people. And that one seed, you have this ability to plant that seed in people who are capable of fertilising it. And that one seed has, I would say, we talk about receiving an Access Consciousness, that has been a never ending ongoing seed that any time that I might get fed up or I might get a bit tired or I might get fed up with people or, you know, when I required to go be with a tree for three or five or six hours, that seed, what can you contribute? Can you contribute? That seed is what really sustains me and just allows me to truly know where I'm going. And so thanks for not buying my story, because it takes a lot of courage to not give a shit about people's story. First of all, I'm going to honour that about you, you know.
Simone:Can I comment on this too, because you've said a major piece here that is really important is receiving. And I was just having a conversation with someone at lunch and they said, Simone, you empower people so much. You lay it all out and you just go, here you go. And the people who cannot receive it and if they don't want to receive it, have to make you wrong or have to judge you. Right. Because I was talking about how much I get my fair share of judgement. I'm like, I don't get it, but all right. You know, that's that's what people seem to determine is important to them in order to not receive. And if you're truly up for receiving, everything is possible. Because it starts with you. If you start receiving everything that you can be, and you did at that moment, Rachel, in that class when I said, you know, who's capable of contributing? And you said me. And it's like you are. You're a major contributor to so many people, but you're also a major contributor to you, the planet, your business and everything that you choose. And as you choose, we create a different future. But you have to receive simultaneously. You've got to receive everything.
Rachael:Yeah. Yeah. And I would say that's what opened the door to me receiving. And we have this class called Business Done Different. We both facilitate it. One of the first lines in the manual, what if business was about receiving? And every single person that I've ever facilitated, when they read that line, they're like, what?
Simone:Yeah. Well, how many people in business think that they have to do it all on their own? I used to have that point of view. I thought that nobody could do the business as good as me. And I remember sitting in a class with Gary Douglas many years ago in San Francisco, and he asked about that. And I was like, yep, nobody can do it as good as me. Put my hand up, you know. And he said, so who are you hiring? And I went, oh, my God, I'm hiring people who cannot do the business as well as me because that was my point of view. And that's what I was creating as my reality. And as I've mentioned a few times, by your choices, you create your reality. So what if instead you started surrounding yourself by really capable people listening and receiving? You get to choose. It's like what awareness does somebody else have that they could give to you instead of going from, you know, the rightness of your point of view or trying to control everything or micromanage everything? It's like there is a much bigger universe available when we go beyond what we think is possible into receiving the possibilities from everywhere. Like, it's huge.
Rachael:You've just given me a massive inroad into control. We talk about control from the perspective of judgement. This is right, this is wrong, this is good, this is bad. As long as you're maintaining control, you cannot actually step into more receiving because you're just going to keep going with the same points of views, you know? And so one of the things I would say that's required, and I absolutely had to demand it of myself, if you are going to change your reality, change your reality. Like, we're saying that no matter what's going on with money and business, that you can actually change it. For me, that was the, like, I can change this, even if you've decided something is unchangeable, you can actually change it. The only thing that's solidifying it is what Simone said, is the limitation that you've made more important than what you're capable of receiving and using.
Simone:And, like, the way you started this podcast and what you're asking me about, Rachel, I'll give you two examples today. I work at, I'm at the Castle in Italy, right? The castle being Castello di Casalborgone, which is amazing.
Rachael:And you're a part owner of it.
Simone:I'm a part owner of it. And I woke up this morning and I was just, like, tweaked. Like, I just had this sense of, like, this upheaval in the world. And I was like, oh, okay, what is this? And I knew that I could, like, dive into this energy that I was aware of and I could make some shit up. I could start, you know, looking at trauma and drama. I could start trying to find a problem or find the wrongness of something. Like, I could do that or I could choose something different. And I went up to make a coffee. I went to the castle, right? It's 5 a.m. in the morning. And because I'm staying at what you call Casa Camellia, which is the building next door to the castle. And I walked out and it was snowing. And I love snow. And it was so frigging beautiful. And I walked over to the castle. The castle was locked, so I'm, like, knocking on the door for the night guard and he didn't hear me. But this is a really cute story because I walked back and I realised in the snow you can't get away with anything because half an hour later he's knocking on my door because he could see my footprints and I couldn't get into the castle. But I was just so thrilled that it was snowing and the beauty of it and the sense of it was just – and it just dissipated everything. But I chose that. I chose to receive the snow, receive what nature was gifting me and have it dissipate, like, the heaviness that I was aware of. Now, it's not to push the heaviness aside and go, oh, la, la, la, la, la. I never want to be aware of that. No, it's not to make it matter in my world. And this afternoon there was – someone had a conversation with me just as I was getting off a massage table from this session and I was, you know, sort of, like, all, like, very –
Rachael:Spacey.
Simone:Ultra relaxed and spacey, yeah. And then the conversation they had with me, I was, like, what? And I literally said, hey, I can't hear you right now. It's, like, all these words. I can hear a couple but I'm not sure what's going on. But it was this conversation that was engaging in complaining about things and I was, like, what the fuck? I was, like, where is this coming from, right? So I realised, though, it started to tweak me and I started to get a bit intense and I started to get intense with someone, like a friend of mine. It's Nimi. And just before this podcast, I was, like, hey, I'm really sorry that I started to get intense there. But I realised how quickly – I was so relaxed and spacey and then someone mentioned something, that they have a point of view and they want me to have a point of view. And I couldn't even cognitise what was going on so I started to have a point of view. So how many times do you have a point of view about something that's not even your point of view but somebody else is projecting at you, you should have a point of view. So you start to have a point of view and then it just keeps going and going and twirling over and over and over again. And by the time night time comes, it's like you're so tweaked and you're so, like, caught up in what you've decided matters when none of it's relevant.
Rachael:You said something brilliant and you walked us through two stories. For me, I now know it can be very quick for me to connect to someone's judgement. I'm so energetically aware. And so if you're on here, this is a question for you. Is it very quick for you to connect to someone else's judgement? And by judgement we mean something that limits you, something that's right and wrong. And then one of the things that you said that was, like, a complete shift in it is you knew that that's not where you wanted to feed your energy. And I would say this is one of the things that is, I haven't heard it anywhere else in the world, only in Joy of Business, and Access Consciousness, which is, like, where are you directing your energy? And one of the disruptors of connecting to judgement for me has been, like, turning towards, well, what can I be grateful for, you know? And you said something which, for me, this is a huge part of my journey. You said there was a whole world and a whole planet there offering caring, beauty, and contribution. And the funny thing is we live in a world where most people do ugly complaining, compression, contraction with business and money, and they're quite aggressive with their point of views, you know? And so here you are with this massage and someone comes in with a point of view. And people I found that people can be, even me, in my own, like, rightness, is people can be so aggressive, particularly with money, with their point of view, their judgement. And so do I connect to that, or do I actually be like, hang on a second, you said I was intense. No, I will be aggressive with my consciousness. That's probably my favourite thing about you, is that no matter what, you will be aggressive with what you know and what is true for you, and you know where you're going. And I would say that that's something that had to be harvested, acknowledged in me, so that it was okay for me to be aggressive with actually this is what I want to create, this is where I want to go, and I'm okay with that, that's what I require.
Simone:Yeah, can I also though, I know what I'm asking for and I want to know where I'm heading, but not from, like, I always need to be in question as well, all the time. Like I said to you the other day when I was talking to someone having a month off, and she's like, do it, you know. And I was like, well, I need to create, what else can I create that can actually allow that to occur? And, you know, I was talking to another friend of mine saying, you know, what if I went and lived in the bush, lived in nature for five years, and they went, you'd be bored. And I went, yeah, but I'm not even letting myself indulge in it. And that's one thing that I am gifting myself a lot is indulging in choice beyond what I thought I had to choose.
Rachael:Yeah.
Simone:And what I'm noticing is there are things opening up to me by just sort of allowing, like, dear universe, thank you so much for everything that you've gifted to me. Please show me what else is possible. Like if I look at business and money, I just sort of started opening these doors going, what else is possible? What are the revenue streams? What else is possible? But not trying to go, right, okay, I've got to figure it out today. Who do I need to call? What do I need to do? And I need to put this into place now, which is probably how I would have functioned years ago. And I'm noticing, like, I had drinks with these people that I'd never met before. And we started having these conversations. We spent three hours together just talking about all of this stuff, like with worldwide businesses. And we ended up, I had information I could give to them. They had information they could give to me. And something opened up, which I'm starting with this company, this brokerage company, and investing in that. And it just was so light in my world. But I didn't go looking for this in particular. I asked the universe, dear universe, show me what else is possible. And I'm still asking, dear universe, show me what else is possible. And then you've got to choose to live. And I really, I'm going to reiterate that again. I know I said it before. Enjoy your frigging choices, man. Like, you know, what are you choosing? Like even I'm sitting here with a cold Coke at the moment because I was like, I need the sugar. Enjoy the Coke, you know. Enjoy, you sleep in. Last night I sat for 12 hours. I was so tired. And you know how some people do this thing of going, oh, I slept in, I did this, or I slept. Don't judge it. Enjoy it. Like what are you judging in your life, business, and money that if you stop judging it would allow you to receive something different?
Rachael:And this is the thing, to get out of that, like, familiar autoresponder rush of, like, reaching for something familiar instead of asking a question and reaching for something that's, you know, it's going to take a reach. For you to have it.
Simone:And it's probably going to be uncomfortable.
Rachael:Oh, yeah, for sure.
Simone:You said the word familiar. What if we stopped choosing familiar? How many of you choose familiar? Because you know it. And, you know, this is a great story. Getting out of Debt Joyfully, which is the second book that I ever wrote. I was so in debt. And when I used the Access Consciousness tools to change my financial reality, I did. And one day I remember sitting there going, wow. I looked at my bank accounts, looked at everything, and I realised I actually have money. I'm not in debt anymore. It was about two weeks afterwards that I realised I was back in debt. And I was like, wow, what do I love about creating debt? And I kept asking myself that question over and over again. And the big thing that I got to that sort of freed me was it was familiar. I knew what it felt like. I knew what it felt like to hustle. I know what it feels like to not have rent this week. How am I going to create rent this week? It's like that was an energy I used as a source of creation rather than, you know, I was eating at the castle every day here. And a friend of mine was saying to me, do you get how different you are? You just come here and eat at the castle and you're not looking at the prices or you're not looking at, you know, anything. I don't do that. It's just like, oh, I'm hungry, I'll eat. How much is that? Or I can save four euro if I go here or do this or do that. It's like, no, it's like choose your reality.
Rachael:There was two things that I wanted to address. First of all, I've done the Get Out of Debt one year programme with you. We did that a good few years. And I was very used to what you talked about, like that need of money for creation. And it's not sustainable. It's just not. It's always like force and push. And so that's one of the things that has changed. So check out Get Out of Debt Joyfully. It's an amazing book. And I will say this. It did take me a full two years of continuously being present with the energies of looking to give, of not having, I would say, was the big one for me, not having and then moving myself to having money. And I've been out of debt since I did that first year. Once I did that first one-year programme, I've been out of debt since that year.
Simone:But it's not an overnight thing.
Rachael:I know.
Simone:I mean, that's like going, I want to lose 15 kilos or 10 kilos and then going, why didn't I lose it yesterday? It's the same thing. It's like you've got to put the work in. It's like you want to change your financial reality, you've got to put the work in. It took me about two years to get out of debt, and I thought that was really quick considering how in debt I was. It was like amazing what I created in that two years. But I kept at it and I kept at it and I kept at it, as I know you did, Rachel.
Rachael:Yeah, yeah. And I would say that's one of the things. You develop this presence to be aware of the way that you function with money and the energies that you become familiar with, and then actually being caring to yourself and making a different choice.
Simone:Yeah.
Rachael:Yeah. It's just so cool. The other thing that you've talked a lot about, and for me, it's a complete different reality, is living. I'm just like, I've never, ever heard anyone before Joy Business talking about your life is your business. It actually took me two years to get this. I'm just going to say this to anyone.
Simone:I'm just going to get it.
Rachael:Your life is your business and your business is your life. But I've got all this work to do and I've got all these emails to send. This whole peace that you have, and I'm going to say I wasn't exposed to that energy before you, was this you have this joy of creation that seems like it's very strange.
Simone:You say it's strange and I just think it's normal. For me, what was strange was people having a job and then going, oh, no, I'm not working. I'm not working this weekend or I'm taking two weeks off or it's 5 o'clock, 6 o'clock, I've left work. And I was like, how do you switch your head off from I'm at work and now I'm on this? And to me, that never made sense. But I remember being in Sydney years ago at a bar and I had got this new job and I was talking to a friend of mine who I'd known for years and I was telling him about this new job and I was starting this new job on Monday and I was super excited. And he looked at me and he goes, you make me sick how much job satisfaction you get. And I went, what are you talking about? And he went, Simone, every job you get, you get so excited about it. And I was like, don't you? And he was like, no. He goes, I don't. He goes, I go there so I can work, I can get money and then I can go party on the weekend because at that age, at that time, it was like you went out partying every weekend. And I was the one going, people are like, oh, it's Sunday. And I'm like, yeah, we get to have Monday tomorrow and start the week at work. This is awesome. And I realised at that moment how different I was. I also stopped working wherever I wasn't enjoying it anymore. And there was a job interview I went for years ago and I knew the guy, like he was a family friend, and he said to me, Simone, do you realise how bad your resume looks? And I said, what are you talking about? And he said, you've done so many different things. And he said, let me guess. He said, you get bored and you quit. And I went, yeah. And I remember that he hired me. And then by the time I left that job, I walked into his office and he looked at me and he went, you're leaving me, aren't you? And I said, I went, yeah. And he said, Simone, because I'd worked my way up to everything. I was a top manager in sales and everything like this. And he said, Simone, the next thing I'd have to do is give you shares in the company, and I haven't even done that to my kids yet. And he was like, I get it. But for me, I was like, why would I stay somewhere that I wasn't enjoying? And, again, I don't give a fuck about your story because you're going to go, oh, but I have to pay the rent, or I have to do this, or this is what I can't do. There is so much out there. Yeah, there is so much out there that you can choose or that you can initiate and you can create. It's like stop telling yourself the story because who's the story for? Stop telling yourself the story and start looking at, what is it that I want to choose and create? What else is possible?
Rachael:Yeah. Maybe a nice way to finish this podcast would be to suggest to someone to make a list and actually write down, this is one of the things that you would have invited us to in the Joy of Business classes. Look at what you love to do and are you willing to get paid for it? For me, most people that come to Joy of Business classes, Business Done Different, they have this weird point of view. They don't even get started because they have this weird point of view. They're going to get it wrong or they're going to fail. What I've seen is when you actually love what you do, there's a different commitment to making it work. For me, when you talk about changing the world, no one has to have a job they hate. No one has to have lack of money. That is something that is so beautiful to be part of that movement. What is it that you love to do?
Simone:To add to that too though, don't make it about the money. Now, I know that this is a total head trip, but I also see people go, oh, I'd love to choose this, but it doesn't bring in enough money. So you choose based on money rather than choosing from what actually brings you joy. Big difference. The amount of people that I've worked with over the years and when they just start to create because they want to create, I would pay them more money or they'll end up with more money. They'll end up with something. But if you don't start choosing what you love and you're only choosing based on the money, then you will always make it about the money and money will be what controls you rather than you and your choices. And as I said, you said before, which I've said a billion times, your business is your life and your life is your business. Do you wake up happy? Do you go to bed happy? And if not, what could you choose to change it?
Rachael:And for me, what a waste of living to make money matter and to make money more important than this precious gift of living that we've been given. I often look at, like you used to say to us, what would you like to have as your legacy? If you're on your dying bed and like, oh yeah, I made this much money, but I never lived. You know what I mean?
Simone:You don't want to say, I wish I had more things. No. You're not. It's like, no, I wish I spent more time outside. Like recently at home, I've been like, at least once a day, it's like I leave my phone in the house and I just go across to the beach and go for a walk or go for a swim and just be with the ocean and the sand and the sun and all of that and enjoy it. Like it could be 10 minutes, it could be an hour, it's like but I love that. It gives so much to me and I receive so much from it and so by the time I get back to my house it's like I'm a different, fresh being as well.
Rachael:Exactly, not jaded and tired and so the big message is your point of view creates your reality and that's another head-tripper. You know, if you're putting your living first and you're willing to know what's valuable to you, for me it's like having that joy of living and actually being grateful for being alive and know that I am connected to an infinite consciousness and a beautiful planet. It's once you put that first, everything works.
Simone:Everything works but not from the rightness of it, from the knowing when to pivot and knowing when to change and knowing when to change the trajectory. Like following the energy, that's when things work.
Rachael:No, following the energy, that is a huge topic. Listening to the pings, listening to where you're required, listening to where you can contribute and where is it that you require to be to actually receive more. Beautiful. Thanks so much, this was so much fun and I'll put Simone's details in the show notes and I am so grateful for you and I wouldn't be where I am today only for having you as this massive support and cheerleader for me in my life, so thanks so much.
Simone:You're so welcome, Rachel. I'm super grateful for you too, my friend, always.
Rachael:How does it get any better? Bye everyone, we hope you enjoyed this conversation.
Rachael:Bye. Ciao.