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Getting over "Church hurt" Ep 22
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In this episode Andrew discusses the importance finding healing after a painful Church and family situation.
Intro music by Upstate - How Far We Can Go
Dealing With Spiritual Abuse
Speaker 1Hello everybody , welcome once again to the MC squared podcast . My name is Andrew McNeill and I'm joined with my cohost , jimmy McKenna . Yes , so this is episode 22 .
Speaker 2I don't know why either , but we're still counting .
Speaker 1So anyway , follow up from last week's last show . If you're watching on YouTube , just click one video over . It was when we had our wives over for the Valentine edition and that went really well . It was actually well received . I think people like to watch and listen to our wives more than they like to listen to us .
Speaker 2They obviously bring in the audience that we don't yeah . Yeah .
Speaker 1Like everybody else .
Speaker 2So what else ? What does that mean ? I don't know I'm okay with it though . Yeah , yeah , it's fine . Yeah , we definitely married up , didn't ?
Speaker 1we yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , absolutely yeah .
Speaker 2I'm just , you know , I don't know . I want to apologize for my comment that I made about lovers .
Speaker 1We can't do that , never mind , that would be cut out . That would be cut out , not cutting it out . We're just back for an encore what ?
Speaker 2Okay , well , you cut those laughing out . I want to be real clear this is a PG Parental guidance or probably less of a rating on a podcast and I don't know where your mind goes when it comes to the lover , comment Good Lord , but that was not what I meant All right .
Speaker 1It kind of was Well , you are married to her . If you watch this , thing back .
Speaker 2if you watch this thing back there was a long pause it's almost like when you turn 40 , your brain like sometimes stops working and you're just like like Joe Biden .
Speaker 1Yeah , 40 .
Speaker 2Yeah , well , he's weighed , yeah , but anyway , I just kind of blanked and I was like that's just what came out . Yeah , and so you know that this is . We don't do a lot of editing , If you don't know .
Speaker 1No , and I you know . If you don't know what he's talking about , go back and watch the last episode 21 , episode 21 . Watch all the way to the end . And we actually are still talking when it says stay tuned or something , because we had a middle section that didn't get recorded video wise but the audio was going and we didn't realize it until we went back to back to the house . So anyway , it was again . It was a lot of fun . I'm sure we'll do it again some sometime sometime we will .
Speaker 2I mean it's whenever we need more viewers right . Whenever the viewership starts to drop , we bring the wives on Absolutely .
Speaker 1It'll boost it a little bit .
Speaker 2They'll watch a couple more in decreasing amount of minutes each one , and then we'll lose them again .
Speaker 1So , yeah .
Speaker 1Well , I did have a . I just had one thing I wanted to talk about tonight . Again , it's a huge subject . I don't know how much we'll get into it because I don't want it to be a very long show and but it is . I have a personal story with it and then I think it might be an issue that a lot of folks can relate to or that have experienced it in their life . One of the things I've realized is , the longer you live , the more perspective that you get and the more obviously I mean it's kind of a stupid thing to say the more experiences you have , but the wider , the wider your experiences are in life and you start to relate to other things . And specifically what I'm talking about is dealing with either church hurt or going through an abusive leadership , an event where there's a term called spiritual abuse and a lot of people aren't familiar with that , but it's a very real thing . I know .
Speaker 1Before we went through our , andrea and I were a part of a fellowship run by my family . I was a part of leadership and we were . We were what you would call workers . I mean , we were there all the time . We were . I was on the worship team , we were , I was an elder , we were I preached . From time to time , we mentored people in our homes . I mean we did a lot . We did a lot of spiritual events , conferences , things . I mean we just did a lot of stuff and then in retrospect you start looking back and anyway , it ended , it went south , it didn't end well and there was a lot of abuse from my parents my mom in particular and spiritual abuse , a lot of manipulation , a lot of attempting . She was threatened by healthy people around her . She wasn't a healthy , spiritually healthy person herself , so she was threatened by anyone who was healthy or strong themselves , even her own kids , which is just crazy . And so there was a lot of an attempt to keep us down . So I was accused constantly during the 15 , 20 years that I was there , of being rebellious and full of pride , and it was a continual thing . Where I would , I would , I would be repenting for it . I'm so sorry , god , you know , take this out . And then I couldn't quite ever , you know , put my finger on exactly when I was actually being rebellious , because I never felt rebellious and pride was anytime I had an opinion or I said anything . That was immediately pride , which was manipulation , it was an attempt to kind of squash your voice . So it went south .
Speaker 1About eight years ago came to a head . I was , I was actually starting to really see things as being extremely unhealthy . And we we , even though we were very spiritually active , we did all the things as unto the Lord , so we had a walk with the Lord . We weren't doing it to please my mom , I wasn't doing it to please the church , we were genuinely fervent people and from what I've understood about a lot of folks who who experience spiritual abuse , it's almost always those people and that's what makes it so , so sad , because they're they're genuinely want whatever God has for them and they're they're genuinely trying hard . So anyway , it went south , went terrible . We got basically disowned by our family , shunned from all the , all the people we'd mentored or were friends with , and in to this day they want nothing to do with me .
Speaker 1I had another brother , joseph , who was in with me at the same time and they did the same thing to him . He was actually a half owner of a business with my dad and he basically had to walk away from it . And they they moved to Texas , are very successful raising their family and a business down there and and then we moved to tear hope . This is about eight years ago . Anyway , god's , god's done an amazing thing in our lives and he's , he's restored , he's healed us .
Speaker 1It probably it probably took . It probably took a good five years of God walking us through a process of deprogramming , and and so one of the things I wanted to talk about and the reason this has come up Is because there's been some and there almost always is Jimmy there's almost always the latest story of some spiritual leader , who , who either wasn't who they said they were , or or they're one way in front of the cameras and there another way behind the scenes , and so it's just kind of come to the forefront a little bit . And so one of the things I wanted to talk about was was just kind of the importance of getting whole once you've come through a situation like that , and and I've seen a lot of folks who've posted on social media or whatever different steps that and all of them are good , but it's kind of like when you lose someone or you experience a grief , everybody's gonna grieve differently and everybody's gonna get whole differently , but the important thing is that you do get whole .
Speaker 1Yeah is that you come to a point where your Christianity isn't Bankrupted because you've had a horrible or horrific experience at the hand of someone that you should have been able to trust so so .
Speaker 2So back to Spiritual . You call the spiritual abuse right . Yeah . So what if and I'm not saying that this is my situation at all , but I mean from a lot of people's perspective what if ? You said I Don't think I've ever experienced that before . Sure , what I mean , and it is Are they , is there some , is there is some aspect of Christianity that they're not diving into ? Or are they ? Are they on the surface ? Are they just in a really good place for a church ?
Speaker 1I mean hopefully they're in a great place . I mean my hope and prayer is that not everyone would have to go through spiritual abuse obviously yeah . It's , it's , it's very similar in ways . If you think about , you know either , a spouse that has been abused by another spouse ? Well , it happens , it's very , it's prevalent . But but I mean , surely you know there are healthy marriages out there .
Speaker 1There are a lot of a lot of people who have not experienced that , thank God . Yeah , and on prior to being on the other side of this , I remember there was a book that came out about spiritual abuse and I scoffed at it , even though I was in the middle of being manipulated and being . I was actually being slowly manipulated , controlled and abused . But I , I thought in my mindset and this is the way you're kind of programmed those people are , those people are just rebellious . They're rebellious to authority and they want to say that it's abuse when somebody tries to tell them what to do . That that is literally the mindset that I had and , honestly , back in the old you know place , they still believe that . I mean they . They probably think you know that I have a problem with being told what to do , or they probably think I'm just so proud that I , you couldn't work with anybody , which is They've been programmed a lot of things they've had . They were actually told I found this out that I wanted to take over the church , that I wanted the church which is Really I opening to realize that your own mother would lie so badly about you because the confrontation was about them trying to force us to go to every little meeting when the when I I mean I felt from the Holy Spirit I wasn't supposed to go and they kicked us out of leadership over it . And then she keeps hearing these voices telling her that I am trying to take over the church and I'm like , and that I was Whatever it was and I was just glad not to be going to church , let alone try to take anything . I've never , never , had a design on the church . So that was a complete falsehood and she knew it . But you have to cover yourself , because if you tell the truth of what the confrontation was over , it's gonna make you look terrible . How in the world are you losing your sons , your own kids , who support you and love you , if there isn't something wrong with I mean , there's something wrong there . So we left , and this is the one thing you realize is , if you , you're coming out of an abusive situation , it's very real , it's very poor , it's very big to you .
Speaker 1But to the folks who are friends with the abuser , even if , though , they're not a part of the network of the abuse , they don't see it and they're , they're gonna be kind of standoffish . They're not , they don't want to get involved , it's not their fight . And I understand . I understand that at the time it's a little bit hurtful . You're hoping somebody comes to your defense , yeah and ? And nobody did . They . They're just kind of , we love you both . You know , whatever this squabble is , you know you get it , get it worked out of . And that's sometimes a part of the hurt too .
Speaker 1A lot of folks that are devastated by a church split or Something that's that's happened like this , feel all alone and they feel Like they might be crazy . You know they might be going crazy , because that's a part of spiritual abuse is that constant mental Gaslighting . Where you're , you're constantly , you know you're living . We , we walked out of that situation and we didn't breathe a word to anyone and we thought we were being spiritual because of it , because , see , we weren't gossiping , we were gonna be silent . We were , we were showing the way and that's all the gaslighting , preparation of manipulation so that nothing that was nothing that was wicked was ever exposed .
Speaker 2Yeah , and I've only recently been speaking more and more about this , maybe in the last couple of years , and I realize everything that's hidden needs to be exposed , it needs to come to light and especially if there's no repentance on the other side , yeah , and I just I'm really interested where that changed , because I think that , being inside of an , of a church , it's really easy to take those people who it's really easy to get stuck in the way that you do things and the way that you Believe things should be done , and then , when people deviate from that a little bit , you call them outliers yes , whatever they are , or the rogue or whatever they are , and then you separate them , yeah , so being on the inside , separating , is so much easier than being that person that steps to the outside , that knows that they're getting out of this Real , this really toxic situation .
Speaker 2Yeah , so where did that flip for you ? Like , was it a ? Was it one day , was it multiple days ? When did when did you and Andrea come to the realization ? Because it has to be a major mind change , yeah , like the , I mean it has to be a major God intervention , absolutely , because you're essentially taking what you called your family , yeah , and was your family ? Yeah , and Do you attach , detaching yourself from it ?
Speaker 1Yeah , so Well , jimmy , one of the things that was the biggest Shift and I open , I opener for me was and and I think Folks could relate to this , if they've experienced gaslighting , if they've experienced mind games or whatever is when I
Escaping a Toxic Church Environment
Speaker 1knew that . I knew that I knew what I was being accused of was 100% wrong .
Speaker 2I knew it . So when you say wrong , you mean in your mind , wrong against the Bible , wrong against ?
Speaker 1No , I knew that . So the accusation was that I was trying to take over the church . Oh , and I knew I was at that point it was . It felt like I didn't even want to almost want to go to church , let alone , let alone take it over . So I knew it was 180 degrees wrong . Yes , it was completely the opposite . And the accusation was coming from my own parent . Yeah , so that that confrontation happened , the rejection , that that happened . My dad called all the folks in the church and he told them that we were under the severe judgment of God and that anyone that got close to us was going to be like the sons of Korah in the Bible that got swallowed up . When you know the rebellion that was exposed with .
Speaker 1Moses , so none of them would talk to us . But the crazy thing is , as hurtful as that was and as scary as it was , it was also liberating because you realized , holy cow , this is an incredibly toxic situation . There isn't anything Christian about this , there isn't anything godly there's . There's no such thing as following the Bible when it talks about how to , how to deal with the sin in your brother . You know , blah , blah , blah , all this kind of stuff . So it was , that was the the I and I've told people this for years afterwards .
Speaker 1The rejection was was difficult and painful , but it was a huge mercy from the Lord because it really did open my eyes . And I had , because I'd been a part of this system , because it's a system , it's not just you know , it's a whole system of stuff . Here I had participated , I had treated others the way that my mom had treated me , and you don't realize it till you get out of this situation and you realize , oh my gosh . So I had to spent a couple of years trying to make amends , trying to restore relationships that I had damaged through hyper spirituality , through to , you know , condemning , condemning people , and one of the things that cults or toxic churches will do is they all list . This is that they try to separate the congregants from their family . Yeah , they just , it's just , it's a natural thing . They just try to . They're an exclusive group . They have special revelation there there is . They're just a little bit more spiritual , a little bit more holy than anybody else , and so that that mentality was was I had it and that mentality was in that group , and so with anybody would say , man , your , your group kind of seems a little bit cultish . Oh my gosh , it played right into it because suddenly we were persecuted for being so spiritual and it was just spiritual , quote , spiritual warfare . So that was the turning point .
Speaker 1I knew then I had been in something very , very bad and I had hoped that maybe it would turn around . And then God just clearly spoke to me . And what's crazy is is he was gracious and merciful to speak to my wife on the same day , the same word , and it was basically you're done . You're done here . I don't want you in this , I don't want you hurt anymore . It's time for you to move on . And From that date , that day forward , we just began the process of .
Speaker 1It felt like we were running for our lives . We sold our house just to get out of there . We relocated , had to get a new job , had to get everything was totally new and it was . It was a quite a process of getting whole and and Both of us were a little delayed . I was relieved to be out of there .
Speaker 1My wife was in this fight or flight mode for a while and then when we we finally got to a safe place is when all the Honestly is like a form of PTSD begin to set in for her , and I mean she . She was having close to panic attacks and just a lot of Trying to process the devastation of we raised our kids there . With seven kids , we raised Definitely the older ones . This was their cousins , this is the only life they ever knew and they lost all of that and it was I think it was hardest on the older kids than it was Younger and we were concerned about the young kids . You know cuz you know they're losing grandma and grandpa's there . They're losing cousins , but it was actually the older ones that it was the most devastating for .
Speaker 1Yeah , I couldn't imagine that was eight years ago yeah , so that was a little over it a little over eight years ago and we went to a local church here . It was very big church I and very big church and it's a church you can go to and nobody knows your name , which I was so happy for . I can't tell you the relief to sit in a church , hear a good sermon , hear a short worship service and feel like you were fed , feel like you went to a church that you didn't get over spiritual , you didn't get overworked and there was nothing , there was no requirements on you . You could just kind of rest . And after a period of time I think it was about a year I started reaching out because I was feeling the weight of what we had gone through .
Speaker 1And I began to reach out to the pastors there and one of them , the senior pastor , agreed to meet with us and it was just honestly , the love and the patience and the help that they gave us was just , it was precious . It was just such a relief to hear that we weren't crazy , that this was a common theme they'd heard this a lot , which was really blew our minds and that we were just normal and it was okay . And I come from a super my background and , jimmy , you can relate to this super spiritual . When I mean super spiritual , I mean man . We're laying hands on people , we're giving words of knowledge and we're fasting and we're praying and we're doing things right . So I'm expecting you I'm gonna get whole . Somebody's gonna have to take me through some serious prayer , lay hands on me and take me through inner healing or whatever .
Speaker 1And yet the greatest healing I ever had was just simply obeying the Lord and walking with him every day . And he , the Lord , found ways to heal me and bring me into wholeness over time . And I remember I was walking in our by a rental house and just kinda walking and I heard the Lord repeat the line this is no , but people are gonna listen to this and they go yeah , yeah , whatever , and God would never do that . Well , he did for me . Repeated the line out of the movie when we are Marshall , when you know the story of we are Marshall , I hate to say I do not Okay so it's a true story .
Speaker 1But we are Marshall's great . Matthew McConaughey plays the second coach that comes in , but Marshall's football team crashes an airplane . They all die , except for two players , anyway . So they're bringing in Matthew McConaughey as this new coach to try to rebuild the program . Well , the whole community is grieving , the whole school is grieving . The two players didn't make it on that flight are grieving and they're a mess and they're getting ready to start the season that they're going to have .
Speaker 1And he took them out to the memorial before they started and he said let's grieve . And then , when they were done , he said the funerals stop today . And the Lord spoke that to me . He said the funeral stops today . So the grieving , all the loss , all of the woe is me . It's good for a time , it's right . You should remember that , but then it's time to live again and God was so gracious to us .
Speaker 1So I guess what I'd like to do is just a couple of things , a couple of things I'd like to point out to people that have gone through similar situations , and there , unfortunately , were a wide swath of people that we had hurt in the community . Our old church had Jimmy , a lot of people that were left as like debris , human debris , on the side from our spiritualness , from our Christ likeness . So I wanna say first of all , if you're listening to this and I haven't reached out to you , and apologize . I am sorry from the bottom of my heart , no excuses . Jesus would never act the way that I acted , would never operate out of that kind of a spirit , and I'm sorry .
Navigating Spiritual Healing After Church Hurt
Speaker 1So the thing that I would like to say is , for anyone who's been through something like that , whether you have been in leadership at a church and then you poured your heart and soul out to it and then they tossed you aside when it was time for either a new leadership or something else of the church split , or whether you were abused in some kind of a hyper spiritual sense , where you gave and you gave and you gave and then manipulation would come and you'd either lose your marriage or you'd lose your parents , or whatever it is is . First of all , you're not crazy and the Lord loves you , and with the Lord there is not a performance . That's right . It's normal to be angry and to even hate . I hated anything that we had done before good or bad Practices that other churches would do that . Even what was a hint , jimmy , of what we had practiced . I hated . That's normal and that's okay not to have to participate Like it's okay not to fast . It was okay not to do the crazy prayer stuff in the conferences , it was okay , but and it's even okay for a while I believe this especially for , first of all , if you don't want to go to church , it's okay . But what is essential in my mind is not that you do the work , that you continue to be a worker , but that you not say no to the Lord .
Speaker 1I remember I went to this new church . We went to what was called a soaking service . Now , that's pretty funny , because in this church and I'm not trying to knock it at all , but when you said in my old life , a soaking service , I'm talking six hours of worship , that's a soaking service . This was an hour and we're out the door , which is great , there's nothing wrong with that . So we go to this and about halfway through I mean I can sense the Lord's presence . I hadn't sensed him in a while . I'd been in a dark place and I was . I have to say I was very resistant and I remember just closing my eyes and saying , okay , lord , I don't . I'm really hurt . Hurt because this feels like the old place . It was so bad , but I don't ever want to say no to you , and so I'm saying yes to you , not saying yes to you know , performance or raising my hands or doing anything that was like the old place . I'm saying yes to you and , lord , you can do whatever you want with me , and that was a that was a breakthrough and a healing in my life and , honestly , the Lord's kind of taken us through certain things . And so the other thing that I'd like to say is it is certainly okay and really good if you will take the time and start to reevaluate all of the things that you have believed . There is nothing wrong with that . Use the word of God and start to go .
Speaker 1Is this biblical ? Is this something Jesus did or would do ? Is it so extra big biblical ? And yet we built an entire theology on it and it's not even in the word of God . And there was a lot of that , jimmy , that we had , unfortunately , there was a lot of it . Now , I'm not saying those things are necessarily evil , but they sure are not worth even mentioning or bringing up , if as far as a Christian walk , if it's not even in the Bible . So we questioned everything . I didn't question that Jesus was Lord . I didn't question my salvation , I didn't question the basics of salvation or my walk with the Lord , but everything else and I mean everything Just is this really biblical ? Is this in the word ? Is this something that and I think everybody has to go through this process .
Speaker 1From what I've heard , this is the typical cycle that happens and the hope is , and the belief is , that if you'll follow that faithfully with the Lord , he will get you back to a place of wholeness and health . And , honestly , we're in a very , very healthy church now . I love the church we're in . They are healthy . I mean , it's the healthiest church I've ever been a part of which is probably not saying much , since my experience isn't the greatest , but we love being there and the Lord has .
Speaker 1Just prior to coming , though , we didn't walk in wounded , and I think that's . I think that's a testament to the Lord . And here's the cool thing it's a testament to the body of Christ , because we were hurt by the body of Christ , but we were Jimmy . We were also restored by the body of Christ . We had people just pour out love on us that we're Christians , and so it's not fair . If you've been hurt by a church or hypocrite who's a Christian leader or whatever it is , give God and His body another chance . It's worth it . I'm so glad we didn't throw the baby out with the bathwater .
Speaker 2Yeah , and I I can't . I can't imagine what , how your life would be different , andrew , if you didn't have that time where you made , had that time where you made that decision for yourself , because I think that's what the Lord wants , Right ? He doesn't he . This is not a relationship based on any other from the past or the future . This is us and him , yeah , and I just think that you have to take it that serious . And after that point in your life , when his eyes , when you've locked with his eyes , there's no other eyes that matter , right , and I don't think that you can be shaken after that . And the body can build you at that point , right , but the body can't break you at that point . I think that's where a lot of people get , where they come in and they expect the body to build them , but they have not made him Lord of their life , not just by words , but truly . You are Lord of my life . My relationship with you is A1 tops .
Speaker 1So that is a key point , because I've had a walk with the Lord . I knew the Lord , but what you'll find in a lot of these toxic situations is that the leader will kind of be that walk of the Lord for these people and some of the ones that suffered shipwreck , faith-wise , couldn't feel like they ever could hear the Lord anymore , because everything was coming from this leader and they had to run everything by her . Whether they bought or sold a house , whether it came down to what movies they could watch or how they should treat their children , whatever it is , everything had to be approved . And when you're doing that , you may not realize it in that situation , but you are turning from following the Lord and you are following a person .
Speaker 2And once you start exalting that person up closer , then it feels good to ask them , because sometimes maybe you feel like you're not getting an answer from the Lord , but there's a person right here that will probably give you an answer real quick .
Speaker 1I see , I absolutely know .
Speaker 2You know what I mean yes , and I just think that that's touching on some really , really scary ground once you start to do that , and I think anybody who's been through a church split can realize that . Yeah , yep , yep . So thanks , andrew .
ISU's New Esports Team Talk
Speaker 2Hey , andrew , did you hear about ISU's new team they have ? So they're branching out in the MVC . Did you know that ? Branching out in the what , the MVC , the Missouri Valley Conference , oh , okay . So they're playing really good at basketball now right ?
Speaker 1Yes , yes , I know that I've heard that , so that's awesome .
Speaker 2I really need to go to the game . Gosh , I've been forever . Could you get me some ?
Speaker 1tickets Kids would like to go .
Speaker 2No , now I can't get tickets . I could have got them last year for nothing , but no , I don't know . It's probably hard to get in . I am an alumnus , that's great . I went there on the five year program with a four year degree , if that means you know what that means . Thank you , parents . No , but they do have a new . They have a new team . It is esports . They have delved in esports . They've got a team . That's actually . You know what esports is ? I'm assuming it's a video game . Yeah , they're video gamers , so it's truly something . They're competing at the Missouri Valley Conference for video games with a team Okay , and these guys put their name out like they're proud of it . I haven't seen a picture yet . Let me ask you . I have an idea of what .
Speaker 1Is this common ? Is this common ?
Speaker 2that colleges would do this . Well , it looks like now , because it's the conference , so it's a conference , so there's other colleges doing this . I mean , what's Missouri Valley ?
Speaker 1Are you getting credit ?
Speaker 2for this .
Speaker 1I mean , do you have to have a good like a good ?
Speaker 2grade average . In order to make the team , they give scholarships at ISU .
Speaker 1You can do pretty much nothing .
Speaker 2You can do a scholarship for an esports .
Speaker 1I don't know if ISU is a financial standing to be giving scholarships for esports . They're recruiting couch potatoes to come on in here .
Speaker 2I think they're taking yeah probably .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's probably it .
Speaker 2No , they're play . If you're interested , though , they're playing Nintendo switches and they're playing Super Smash Brothers .
Speaker 1And I gave up my video game playing way too early then , I could have , I could have done well .
Speaker 2You could have went on scholarship for that yeah .
Speaker 1I bet there's done something .
Speaker 2I bet there's actually more aspiring members to that team than there are aspiring students in college . I mean , once you're gone from your parents , you're in a dorm . Yeah , and what else do you have to do besides play video games ? Pretty much constantly . The internet's good over there .
Speaker 1You know , what I'm wondering is once there's a schedule and you have to play a game , I wonder if the fun starts to come out of it .
Speaker 2Well , it's probably like my brother does fishing tournaments .
Speaker 1He's like he's a professional , like a real fishing tournament yeah , he does like real ones . Like you pay to go in . I knew a guy and I know I did this yeah .
Speaker 2I know that it's not fun . Yeah , it's work , it's serious . I mean , because you have a clock and you have this , you've got to go after it . It's not like going out in the summer and catching some fish . Maybe not catching fish , whatever it's like , it adds a level of stress to something that's fun , so maybe that's what this is for them . It's adding a level of stress I mean their fingers must be amazing .
Speaker 1How fast they can do these moves right . What do you win ? I mean , you're going to win a title because you're not going to get money for it , right , and you're not going to get girlfriends for it either . You're my other boyfriends , other gamers , I don't know . You don't want to be discriminative . Yeah , I mean , I don't think there's going to be a groupie . A bunch of groupies follow and they'll like the basketball team . Maybe there is , who knows ?
Speaker 2I don't know what you win for this , and I hate to say pride , because you've probably lost it all by that point .
Speaker 1Well , here's the deal , Jimmy . I think we're showing that we are completely out of touch with this generation . I think that's what we're showing . So one of the guests we're going to bring on and I'm not going to say that this person's name , but I did get confirmation that they would possibly be willing is a high school senior at Terre Haute South and this person is going to kind of explain the lingo .
Speaker 2Now this person has to come on , yeah they're going to explain the lingo ?
Speaker 1I have no clue . We tried to do that several episodes ago and it was fine , but it was kind of like almost like bad dad jokes . Nobody thought it was great . So this will be a legitimate generational exhibition . So we'll get an specimen , an opportunity to study this person and to see what comes out of this person's mouth and what this means we can ask normal real world questions about it . Yes , yes , so that maybe we'll get an education , or educate the listeners .
Speaker 2Yeah , at the same time , yeah exactly , we'll bridge the gap .
Speaker 1Generational bridging of the gap , that'll be great .
Speaker 2That's what we're here doing .
Speaker 1That's right Bridging gaps generations .
Speaker 1Well , folks , once again , we want to thank you so much for listening . Really sorry , I know the I mean two thirds of this podcast is a little heavy . Tried to keep it as light as possible it is . I think it's an important subject that a lot of people deal with . It's something that's a life experience and I felt like I wanted to share that . I hope it was helpful . I hope it was overly depressing and , like we were talking during the break , we were really not wanting to point anyone away from church . There are a ton , like I said , a ton of good churches out there , great godly people who love you , will love you and care for you . Absolutely , you need to find them . We just happened to have an experience that wasn't good , and that's not just church life , it's in . You know . You can have it in any kind of relationship or group .
Speaker 2So Anytime you get deep and you make yourself vulnerable .
Speaker 1Yeah , I think that's it .
Speaker 2But we're not saying that , not to do that , yeah , but I mean it's .
Speaker 1So , yeah , we want to thank you for listening . If you've stayed this far , that's amazing . Please like and subscribe below and please share with your friends . We are on rumble , we're on YouTube . I we post this video on X . I'm going to have to quit moving in my chair . It's going to look silly . We were on X , let's see Anything else . I think that's . I think that's probably got .
Speaker 1Yeah , we put it out on Facebook too , but just the YouTube links , so , but anyway , we really appreciate all of our listeners , the comments , the critiques . We appreciate the criticisms . Believe me , we get them .
Speaker 2They're helpful . I'm not wearing a hat anymore . My dad told me that that's right .
Speaker 1Helpful , and that's why we're wearing our headphones , surely so that you can hear Jimmy , because I know that that was important to you . So , but anyway , folks , you have a wonderful evening , which of course makes no sense because you might be watching this during the day . So until next time we'll see you .