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From Saul to Covid. | Ep. 30
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Speaker 1All right , welcome to the MC Squared podcast . This is episode 30 . 30 . 3-0 . And thanks for being here . We're live . Jimmy McKenna , andrew McNeil Hello , and so what's been going on ? Andrew ? That's how we always start .
Speaker 2I know it is Well you just got back from a vacation , but it was kind of a . It is Well , you just got back from a vacation , but it was kind of a kid tournament type . You know , jimmy , you're not alone in that either . I hear a lot of parents that take these vacations and they're either with travel ball or whatever your kids were in a disc golf tournament , right ?
Speaker 1They played in Amateur Worlds Disc Golf up in Grand Rapids , michigan , and we haven't spent a ton of time in Michigan but it was really nice . I actually got chilly one day up there , which was kind of cool . One thing they always say about Michigan is they're always doing road construction . But one thing I didn't notice about the road construction they were done in one day . They could do roads so fast . I'm like they will do I-70 for an entire season , our lifetime , yes , yeah .
Speaker 1And also part of I-70 . I'm sure you heard but it's going to go three lane . Well , it needs to .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's going to go . It has to . No , I didn't hear this .
Speaker 1How long is it going to take to be three lane ? How long is it going ?
Speaker 2to take them to find an alternate path , because it's going to be miserable . I kind of feel like they should just build a new highway without .
Speaker 1Yes , you know what I mean . Just build the three lanes next to it somewhere .
Speaker 2I mean that's too expensive , that's ridiculous .
Speaker 1But no , but it was really cool . You know , I'd really do like Michigan . It was a really nice state . I mean it really would be kind of a cool place to stay . Did you see Lake Michigan at all ? No , not really . We kind of drove by it , but not really Last time we did some stuff near Lake Michigan in it . But you know , it's kind of one of those weird it's a little bit of a weird state because any state that I feel like has legalized marijuana . You smell it all over the place and so you know immediately when you get in they start they're selling it . It's glorified beyond it's a weird feeling , isn't it ?
Speaker 1it's a little bit odd because you're like what ? No , okay , whatever , so um , but anyway , people were super nice but after a while did you calm down .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Chilled out real well . I mean it was fine . Grand Rapids is a really interesting city in the fact that it's really easy to get around . They have a 465 , which is not as big , but they've got a really interesting way to get on and off of it where you can stay on it and it doesn't slow you down . And , really interesting , there wasn't a lot of like around the city , there wasn't a lot of rough areas . It was a lot of affluent or just well-maintained places , which I thought was nice . But anyway , the kids did pretty well and they had really nice courses up there for disc golf .
Speaker 2Was there a lot of kids up there ?
Speaker 1No , actually there were two groups . They're called Amateur Men and Amateur Women , and so the women are about 119 of them from all across the world . Okay , they had some from Sweden . A lot of Canadians came . Couldn't imagine coming all over to play disc golf for five days from Europe . And then from the men's side they're from all different countries New Zealand , Japan .
Speaker 1I mean you come to Michigan to play disc golf , man , I would hope that you'd win , because if you come and play really poor , you travel a long way to throw a piece of plastic . It's a lot . But the people were so nice and , if you're not familiar , disc golf community is super laid back and probably meshes really well with the what happens in Michigan , but they're really easy to get along with . So that's , that's one really cool thing . So , and even if you're having a bad round , it's very similar to to what what I would call stick golf .
Speaker 2Really no , no , no no it's , it's all it is a .
Speaker 1it is a life lesson and you know how golf is . It's a life lesson of I made a bad shot . I need to forget it , that's right . And go to the next and , honestly , there's a lot of life lessons in that too . And disc golf is the same way , because once it gets in your head , we call them sprinklers , because you're just throwing it like a sprinkler wherever it's going .
Speaker 2You turn it into a sprinkler system . That's pretty good .
Speaker 1Anyway , it was a good time . It was a good break from work .
Speaker 2I heard Connor , your son Connor , got an ace . This time he did , he got an ace .
Speaker 1This time he did . He got an ace and luckily there was a guy videoing .
Speaker 2Oh , that works , so that was kind of neat . They have television coverage of this too a lot of times , don't they ?
Speaker 1Yeah , the top card , they follow it and then they post it the next day . A lot of people like to watch it back , so it was something kind of neat . Anyway , yeah , he got an ace back in 2021 in kansas when he was playing junior worlds , or 2020 in kansas , and so that wasn't filmed . But you know , it's kind of cool that he got an ace . I mean , no , I've never aced in my life . That kid has got probably 30 . Your son , I don't know how many he has that's the first one .
Speaker 1I saw your son get Daniel . He sat inside the basket at Deming and they posted it online and he got absolutely trolled for it . Get out of the basket . You're not supposed to be in there . He sat in the basket , he's breaking it down .
Speaker 2I didn't even know that .
Speaker 1He sat in the basket . Yeah Well , it's probably my son that said hey , daniel , when do you ?
Speaker 2get the basket he's like oh sure , let's do that .
Speaker 1But it was kind of funny .
Speaker 2So Daniel can't ? I mean he's starting to try to play again , but he kind of got that tennis elbow yeah , and so it kind of took him out this year , which he really hated to miss . I mean , he's getting older , it's not as easy to do 21 . 21 . When you get a job .
Speaker 1Getting older 21 .
Speaker 2Yeah , but he's got some kind of a brace and he's rested it all year , so I think he's going to try to go out .
Speaker 1He did . He played yesterday yeah , I don't know Two days ago , I don't know if you remember that .
Speaker 2No , he didn't tell me how it went he played really well .
Speaker 1Well , good Back on it .
Speaker 2It felt all right . You think I didn't know about that , but the score was good .
Speaker 1He does live in my house , that's all that matters at 21 years old Was your score . Okay , Right exactly .
Speaker 2Well , I got a little bit of golf . I played . I play golf about once a year .
Speaker 1Oh yes .
Speaker 2So I had a golf outing one day . Was it free golf ? Well , the company pays for it . It Free golf ? Well , the company pays for it . It's for charity . It was for a good cause , for Make-A-Wish . So one of my good customers , new Course Steel , puts it on in Crawfordsville . It's a Crawfordsville country club .
Speaker 2We go every year and I just I try , jimmy , not to embarrass myself honestly I got kind of serious about it this year . So I went out and I , I , I did a little bit of golfing a couple of times . I took drew a one time . Uh , just beforehand , just to you know , make sure you can still , yeah and um , I wasn't going in with a lot of confidence but I thought , hey , you know , I've swung the ball , I've swung the ball , I've swung the club . Uh , enough that that I feel like you know , I'm not going to be totally well . What I've discovered is that if you don't play um all the time , your body does not remember , your muscle memory does not remember that that swing so um late in each round , both practice and the one when I was there , I just started falling apart because I couldn't do it Like I couldn't do the swing right .
Speaker 1That makes sense , I just got so tired .
Speaker 2I'm 50 years old and I'm just it's a lot , but I had a blast . It was really really , really good weather and really a good time . You're not 50 . I'm 50 . You just turned 50 . I'm 50 .
Speaker 1And so I'm going to . You just turned 50? .
Speaker 2I'm 50 . I'll be 51 this year . Oh , I didn't know that . So Jimmy's like man .
Speaker 1I am on an OG network . I thought you were like 48 . The OG network , rachel Katstra , just the old O network , not the G .
Speaker 2Yes , so I'm going to have to start golfing more . That's what I've figured out . I just need to do it . You know , once a month go golfing .
Speaker 1Oh man , that would help a lot .
Speaker 2Yeah , and I enjoy it . I really enjoy it . I always do . My chipping is absolutely abhorrent .
Speaker 1It's abhorrent , it's terrible , it takes a lot of touch to do that and a lot of practice .
Speaker 2Bad , but my putting was amazing , I will have to say putting was pretty good anyway . So we got out of there , uh , and I wouldn't say dead last , but close to last out of all the teams well , is that one ?
Speaker 1is that one of those where you can like buy mulligans and whatnot ?
Speaker 2I mean I never trust that .
Speaker 1It's always the construction guys that win those all the time and you're like , yeah , yeah , I think 11 or 12 under , 12 , 11 under might have been the winner .
Speaker 2Uh , we were lucky if we got one under that's usually where my team is yeah , and it was , but we , like I said , we had a really good time . They they serve you , um , they serve you lunch , and then ice cream halfway through , and then free drinks Non-alcoholic for me , of course , but there was some alcoholic drinks .
Speaker 1That actually helps your play , because everybody else doesn't play quite as well .
Speaker 2They seem to play better when they have a few drinks .
Speaker 1No , people always say that and it's never true .
Speaker 2It's never true . There was a putting contest and you were allowed to practice as many times as you wanted , which I thought was kind of funny . My first practice shot got about this close to the hole . Really , oh , this is great . So then I yeah . When I took my two shots , it was nowhere close .
Speaker 1It's terrible .
Speaker 2Anyway , that was my week .
Speaker 1Well , it's just full of sports . I'll tell you that .
Speaker 2All right . So we had Donald Trump doing a Spaces with Elon Musk conversation , and did you hear any of it ? Did you listen to any ?
Speaker 1of it . I heard a little bit . I think I heard some sound bites from it . I'm trying to think of what part it was . Um , I don't know . They talk about kamala and stuff .
Speaker 2They talked about everything a lot of issues , anything basic , everything was on the table , and what I liked was it was just an easy going . There was a conversation elon was . They were both kind of talking over each other sometimes , um , which I think was good . It's just . It was natural Elon was pushing back on nuclear energy and I think how safe it was , and so they had some back and forth on that . It was a friendly disagreement and I just thought it was really good for our politics and good for the country that you hear from your presidential candidate .
Government Control and Economic Consequences
Speaker 2Yeah , the democrat party seems to hide their candidates away . I don't know if you've noticed that , but when joe biden was running , they kept him in the basement , shielded him from everybody , and that was because he had the dementia and the mental decline that we all know he had . And we see , um , and they're kind of doing the same with Kamala right now . She hasn't had a press conference , she hasn't had any kind of serious presentation to the media on what her stands are or what your policies are going to be , although she did adopt Trump's no tax on tips . Did you see that ? Uh-uh , yes , she adopted it . Oh , my goodness , it's her stand now . It's so hilarious . So this Friday she's going to come out with a big statement policy on the economy or economic policy , oh my gosh and she is going to .
Speaker 2the rumor is , or kind of the pre-release is , that she is going to advocate for price controls , to bring the price of groceries and all these things down .
Speaker 1Price controls , price controls , so the government's going to control the prices .
Speaker 2Which we know for a fact , absolutely tanks the economy . It is a devastating thing .
Speaker 1But a lot of people will hear that and they'll be like heck yeah control the price .
Speaker 1Oh , I think , andrew , a lot of people don't understand . I don't understand , they don't understand it and they don't understand the fact that when you give , when you give everybody , uh , a check , that money's not going to be worth as much . Or when you're printing money continuously , that money's not worth as much People don't think about . I mean , it's all about looking down the road instead of two inches in front of your face , and I think that if you just listen to that at face value , you probably think , heck , yeah , we're getting gouged , so we need to have a price control .
Speaker 2I'm really , I'm serious , I really think a lot of people feel that way I think you're right .
Speaker 1I think probably like 70 , 80% of people feel that way . I'm dead serious ?
Speaker 2Well , okay , so then it would behoove us to take a look at history . I think the last time , certainly the last time , a Republican ever advocated and implemented price controls was Richard Nixon , which he did in the 70s . It absolutely was a devastating thing that they had to reverse . We learned our lesson . Then you have these things that are economic , sorry economic theory , and then you have where it's actually played out in real life and we see the consequences . We see whether it works or whether it doesn't work . And that is one of those .
Speaker 2Price controls was what the Hugo Chavez in Venezuela implemented that destroyed his country , absolutely devastated his country . Nixon did the same thing . We had to pull out of it and reverse course . It's a well-known result . I mean , just think about it . If you're a private company and you are , say you have a profitable item , but it's you're not , I mean you're not gouging anybody . These people that think they're , these grocery suppliers , are gouging people . Um , so you've got a profitable item and the government comes and says you have to sell the same item , provide , provide it for all that you're doing , but you got to take 30% off the top , or 40% or half , and that's your sell . What are you going to do as a private company ? You're going to cut jobs .
Speaker 1You're not going to do it . Well , I mean , I would see . If you want to keep your business going , you're going to say okay , who can I cut ?
Speaker 2Yeah , so not only are people going to be out of business , but you are not going to have the supply to the market that you had . So , yeah . So let's just take milk , for instance . Let's just say 50 cents a gallon milk . They want 50 cents a gallon milk . Oh , great Milk is only 50 cents a gallon milk . They want 50 cents a gallon milk . Oh , great Milk is only 50 cents a gallon because the government says so . However , our shelves are bare because nobody can afford to put it there .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , and so you have a supply crunch , which is exactly what happened .
Speaker 1Well and then . So then what happens next ? Which is exactly what happened , well and then . So then what happens next ? Does the government then bail out or help lift up ?
Speaker 2those companies or take over .
Speaker 1Exactly . Then take control , which is communism . Well , it seems like that's the path , right ? Yeah , it is man . That's so ridiculous .
Speaker 2So about Nixon doing it what I did ? No show prep for this , I know I thought you might just know this .
Speaker 1So I mean how long ?
Speaker 2did it take us to get out ? Of that well , I do think since you are 50 something years .
Speaker 1Yeah , right , and I wasn't even alive . Yes , I know this occurred . Oh , and when he ?
Speaker 2returned . I , I like I was born in 73 and I think he was done in 74 . Is that right ? Because he had to ? You were here . Then he had to step down . Yeah , I was here . So , uh , I , I want to say , boy , I can't say I , I'm okay , I I don't know exactly , but I feel like it had . Um , I think energy had something to do with it and of course , we had the energy crisis and shortage later on , uh , in the in the 70s . Of course that was blamed on jimmy carter , rightfully so . Um , but anyway , I just I have to look into that somebody could maybe , maybe .
Speaker 2Who was alive then ?
Speaker 1or who remembers somebody who's a real good history buff .
Speaker 2Yes , could maybe chime in and we could yeah .
Speaker 1Enlighten us a little bit , exactly Because we're just young , so price controls do not work .
Speaker 2They have been implemented . I think they still have certain things that the government does , and none of it's ever good . So the government's always messing in the economy , always they're messing with . I remember , um , the story of fdr having all of the , the department of agriculture , destroying all of the . Was it the hogs , all of the hogs during the great depression ? I mean it's just destroying food wholesale because it was . The markets were tanking with too much supply and instead of letting the market the free market to take to , you know , work itself out yeah , itself out the government has to get involved . A lot of that stuff is just it's anti , it's liberal , it's master planning .
Speaker 1But people , I think a lot of people , not a lot , but some people kind of expect the government to step in to fix it and they almost expect well why do they do it ?
Speaker 1Why do people think that I had this discussion with my wife earlier this week about I can't speak well to it , but the intentions of what FDR did , and the intentions , I don't know that necessarily . I mean they were bad right , but I think that in doing that , you have then caused generations to now be dependent upon the government , and so what happens to the government in that case ? It becomes bigger , right , because more people are quote-unquote , depending on it , voting for it . And then also , you have taken God-given talents , will from people that you're supposed to use your individual liberties to have your life Right . They've taken that away .
Speaker 1Yeah , they've taken away the God-given skills that people have had and said , no , don't worry about that , you can rest in us , right , that we'll take care of you , we're not going to drop you . And it's really putting your focus on something that is very , very worldly , which is the government , I mean . But people see that as something that could quote unquote , bail them out . I just see so many poor decisions coming from , especially if you just look straight at printing money . That just makes no sense at all . Right , with the amount of money that gets read .
Speaker 2Right
Lessons From Samuel and Kings
Speaker 2. Well , there's actually an interesting story in the Bible that kind of correlates with that , and it's interesting because I think God has something to say about it , which is I think that's interesting Because you won't hear pastors or preachers actually talk about this much and that's probably appropriate . I'm not saying you should preach this from the pulpit , but it's the story of the prophet Samuel in the Bible , and Samuel was the last of so the children of Israel . Their story , if you'll remember , in the Bible , was that they were slaves for 400 years in Egypt and then God , through Moses , rescued them and brought them eventually , 40 years later , brought them into the Promised Land , which is their land . That was thousands , and thousands of years ago .
Speaker 2There's some Arabs that say it's theirs now , but anyway , that's some Arabs that say it's theirs now , but anyway , that's a side note . So they're in the land of Israel and they don't have a king they have . They have a priest and an entire family of of of Jews , the Levites . That were the priests , and so they were kind of the representatives between people and God and they were , you know , brought the sacrifices to atone for their sins and all this kind of stuff . But they didn't have a king and they didn't have a central ruler and it was very decentralized actually . So the children of Israel had their family leaders and you know , each tribe there were 12 tribes , so each tribe had its own . You know , decision , blah , blah , blah .
Speaker 2Well , they would , they would fall away from God and they would get oppressed and God would raise up a leader to deliver them , and so this was called the period of the judges , and Samson was one of them . We all , everybody knows the story of Samson super strong , you know , destroys the Philistines with the jawbone of a donkey , a lot of those kinds of stories . Deborah was another one . I know God doesn't use women , but apparently he did in the Bible , so I know there's some denominations where you can't use women .
Speaker 2Anyway . So she was in a position of authority and ruled over men .
Speaker 1So that was kind of and she was considered a judge in the Bible sense .
Speaker 2She was actually a judge Anyway so you have this period of time and Samuel was the last of the line of these judges . He was also a prophet and the people kind of like what you're talking about . They had it with personal responsibility . Yeah , they had it with decentralized . You were responsible to take care of this and you were responsible the entire community had to come together to fight their enemies , all this kind of stuff , and they asked Samuel to get them a king and , in their words , a king to fight our battles , like all the other nations . They didn't want God , they didn't want this relationship that they had .
Speaker 2Now , what they had was unique , it was individual , it was special and it was really interesting because God was pleased with it . Okay , it was decentralized , it was the people , and so we go from that to a single person the king , yeah , and the king , the lord , told them he's going to rule over , he's going to take . He's going to take the best of your people , he's going to tax you , he's going to take the best of your lands . People like , yeah , that's fine , that's great , because we don's great , because we don't want to have to think about responsibility anymore , and so there's kind of a correlation there and actually they entered into a little bit of judgment .
Speaker 2God judged them , was not happy with them , samuel was super grieved about it and God said listen , they're not rejecting you , samuel , they're rejecting me . And but do what they do , do as they say . And of course then you know there's a long line of kings and monarchy from then on .
Speaker 1So so Samuel to Saul .
Speaker 2Samuel anointed Saul , who was a disaster .
Speaker 1Yeah , but . But it's really interesting because Saul was a disaster , yes , but he didn't start out that way , no , he didn't . But then God said , all right , I can meet you where you are , yeah , and then he brought David . Yeah , and David was a train wreck in a lot of aspects , I mean , but , but a great , but a really great example of the ? Um , god's forgiveness , yes , and yeah , I mean just . I mean , if you read , if you hear about the the , you know , everybody knows about dave , dave and goliath . But I mean , look at the rest of the guy's life , man , david , oh , having somebody killed , I mean just running from and just making a lie , and then just like weaving the web around , but then like fully saying I messed up , giving it back to God , and God says , okay , I'm here for you .
Speaker 2So the difference ? What's the difference ? Because I'm fascinated by the difference between Saul and David , because Saul was rejected by seemingly minor infractions , right .
Speaker 1Yes .
Speaker 2Saul was rejected by God because he didn't fully do what God said when he went to go destroy the Amalekites and he didn't wait on Samuel , like he was supposed to . Yeah , those are the two things . Was there another one with Saul ? I don't believe so . No , I don't know . I think that was it so , but the issue was and God just spelled it out the issue was the heart , david . He constantly said David was a man after my own heart .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2So David passionately loved the Lord and even though he messed up , even though he sinned , he didn't just mess up , he sinned , he intentionally sinned , did something very wicked . He was grief struck by the conviction when he was confronted . When he's finally seen his sin and he was blind to it , I mean honestly , oh yeah , he did it and he was blind to it . I mean honestly , he did it and he was just wadi dadi da .
Speaker 1He wasn't sorry until it came . Kept doing it .
Speaker 2Yeah , kept doing it , and then , um , he was completely broken before the Lord and he , he suffered terrible consequences . His entire I mean there were the entire second half of his kingdom , which is him running for his life , His , his sons turning against him , and all these kinds of crazy things were a direct result of that sin . It was the trouble that was coming .
Speaker 1And in the end the true redemption is the fact that in his lineage was Jesus Christ .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Yeah , wow , how do you make perfection out of ? I mean , read the names .
Speaker 2Yeah Right . Well , you look at the lineage of Jesus , perfection out of . I mean , read the names yeah right , rahab , the harlot that had hidden the spies when they went over to Jericho she was in the lineage . And then Ruth , who's a Moabitess , she's not even a Jew , she was in the lineage . And then you have David , king David , obviously , king David had terrible disasters . And then you know , you read through the kings and all of those , and it's just , it's pretty amazing .
Speaker 1It is , it really is , and maybe , to use kind of a buzzword , that goes on these days , but the diversity inside of the lineage of Jesus .
Speaker 2I don't know if I've subscribed to that . No , the diversity in it . I mean , really think about it and don't get all like in the world with the diversity aspect .
Speaker 1I'm just saying , but we serve a God who loves that Right . Well , he created it . Yeah , right , he created it . So I don't know .
Speaker 2Yeah , yep , so I think that's always been kind of a thought process to me , a lesson . The whole thing with Samuel was God delights to individually deal with each one of us . We kind of gravitate towards you know what ? I will give you liberty , and this is the fight really . I'll give you liberty , I will give you independence and freedom if you will give safety and you will take care of my needs . And that's the trade that that is always so dangerous for for freedom , loving republics or democracies or whatever . That is the temptation . I think we gave away a lot of our freedom after 911 . We said we don't want terrorists to come in here and do what they did . It was terrible . So therefore , we will let you surveil us like crazy . Just go ahead , just all of our communications , you just go wherever you want , you find out our bank , you know all this stuff because we don't want terrorists , right ? That's interesting .
Speaker 1But that's what's happened .
Speaker 2and so we see , we see , after the result of 9-11 , the department of homeland security , which is now , I mean , in all of these things . So when we have a crisis we're we're faced with , do we deal with it or do we I mean , I remember the whole argument or do we give away our freedoms I remember the whole argument or do we give away our freedoms ? But I remember the whole argument during 9-11 . You remember this where they talked about some of our civil liberties . You know , these terrorists took advantage of us because of our liberty and some of these liberties we're probably going to have to temper them if we really want to be safe .
Speaker 1That argument went on them . If we really want to be safe . That argument went on In 2001, . I was too young to even have two gray cells rubbed together . I was 21 , 22 years old .
Speaker 2That was smart , that was time to be smart .
Speaker 1I wish I would have been a little more wise back then to be able to see that the national mood was kind of like okay , but we still need to .
Speaker 2You know , there was a move to do this , to allow surveillance to bring homeland security . But it didn't take too long , just a couple of years , and we were all a lot of us , I think . We're looking back going , uh , did we just ? Did we just create a monster ? I mean George W Bush , we , we , I mean we did , we trusted him . Okay , he's got this Homeland security . It's George W Bush . Oh , it'll be all right , right . And then along comes Obama and you're like holy cow , there's Homeland security . He's now in control of that . That . We've given access to every aspect of our life .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2So I mean we've seen the FBI , you know , weaponized . The IRS was weaponized under Obama .
Speaker 1All of these agencies I just don't think we ever want to give the government that makes a lot of sense , but I mean in that time of fear and stress , and I think it's easy to do it .
Speaker 2Yeah , you take your eyes . What do we do with COVID ? I mean , honestly , it's the same thing . Um , we're all going to die . So let's let the government shut our , shut our schools down , shut our churches down , shut our businesses down . And we're okay with that , because we're all going to die if we don't , right ? I mean , that is what happened . And these people who are behind this , the agenda , they're not stupid . They know how this works Create a crisis , foment fear , and then you can get your way . And I'm hopeful . I'm hopeful that COVID has been enough in our memory and we've learned enough from it that that is not going to be allowed , at least in our lifetime , right ?
Speaker 1Yeah , well , I hope that this generation learned from those mistakes that happened in the middle of that . That didn't really come out the way it was supposed to no , and maybe the things that they said that just did that didn't really come out the way it was supposed to no , and maybe the things that they said that were gonna happen really never were no , never were I mean what happened and I hate to say this happen what is the results ?
Speaker 2because I I was thinking about this right before we went , went , uh , on the air and I don't think we're on the air . What are we ? We're streaming . We're not on the air , right , we're not . It's not an FB , it's not an FM radio station or anything . So we're not on the air , but we are streaming .
Speaker 2Anyway , I thought about the consequences of COVID . Think about this , jimmy 30% rise in , close to 30% rise in the cost of living , cost of goods . That's a direct result of shutting this , the greatest economy in the world , down , and not just ours , but a lot of economies around the world did the same thing . Just completely crippling . How many businesses totally changed . I mean fast food , restaurants I don't care that they don't have the glass anymore and everybody's taking the masks off . They are not the same , they're different . The service is not nearly as good , the food isn't near . Everything has shifted . In this country . I don't know if we'll ever go back to groceries being affordable unless we you know , like Donald Trump , which is our chance to get that to happen . But I mean there were a lot of things that took place as the after effect , I think , of COVID , that are not good changes .
Speaker 1Well , I mean , even beyond the stuff that I saw , the stuff that I saw that even beyond the economy , is the mental damage that was done from people dying alone .
Speaker 1That's terrible , that's cruel . Well , it's dying alone for one , but for two , it was those amount of times where you weren't allowed to go see them . Yeah , those years , I mean those weeks , those months , maybe a year , where you weren't quote unquote allowed to have contact . In certain aspects , if this family was all freaked out about it , then they might not let somebody come to you know , grandparents come to their house , or they might do this or this , but even if it was small , it still planted seeds that I really and I hope it doesn't , but I really think that will really come back in this generation , in this generation , and manifest some other way . Yeah , it's , either it's either rejection , it's it's I mean it's it's not living up to what you thought you could be , or it's just it's really gonna mess with the mental state and just the you know we're , we're gonna look back . I mean we do now already .
Speaker 2we're going to look back I mean we do now already , but we're going to look back even five years from now on the ridiculousness that was COVID , and we are going to be so ashamed of ourselves as a nation that we ever allowed that kind of stuff to happen .
Speaker 2I mean , we we were me and you are reading a book . We're going to hopefully try to review it and chat about it next episode . I won't have a problem reading it , but you've got to listen to the rest of it .
Church Pressure, Fear, and Healing
Speaker 2Anyway , but we were shamed in the church if you didn't mask up .
Speaker 1We were shamed . Not everybody was .
Speaker 2Well , we were , you're right , Not every church , not every church . Oh , we were , you're right , not every church , not every church , not every church . Oh , absolutely not . But I was in a pretty big one and we were , and there was a lot of pressure to do your Christian duty and get a shot , because , you know , love your neighbor . With the shot , which was an experimental poison shot , basically it was horrible . We've seen a lot of very bad things with that . Basically it was horrible . We've seen a lot of very bad things with that . Um , and in fact they've pulled some of them from the market and other countries are banning them . It's just , it's been a disaster . But I think we're going to look back . Especially I think that is the worst of all was the letting the , letting the folks , the older folks , pass away alone in a room in a stupid bubble .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2I mean , how sick is that ?
Speaker 1Yes , it was pretty bad . Yeah , it was pretty bad .
Speaker 2So what is the worst case scenario in reality ? Not in what they told us , but in reality . If you had gone in there as a loved one , you'd have gotten COVID . Or you've gotten sniffles , you'd have gotten COVID . And if you were healthy in there as a loved one , you'd have gotten COVID . Or you've gotten sniffles , you'd have gotten COVID . And if you were healthy , who cares ?
Speaker 2Honestly , covid was not the biggest killer that ever walked . I mean , it just wasn't . We didn't see the fatality rate that they set . It was minor . You had to have extenuating circumstances in order to be susceptible to death . With COVID , everybody got it . It didn't matter if we masked or if we lived in a sealed people lived in like sealed houses for a year and then they'd get it . And how did that happen ? I mean , it was just absolute fear and panic .
Speaker 2And doctors actually were not allowed to be doctors . We were mandated health regulations from a political organization . An international political organization was regulating and the cdc were regulating what we could and couldn't do , which has never been done before in the history of medicine . It's always it's always been again . The grassroots level yeah , excuse me , in in medicine is the same thing . The doctor's your local doctor . It's always been , again , the grassroots level . Yeah , excuse me , in medicine it's the same thing . The doctor's your local doctor .
Speaker 2Hey , I don't know what's happening , but let's try this , let's figure this out . This is working . This is not working . That's how medicine is supposed to be practiced . Yeah , and instead we have these guys that go , hey , we've got these drug companies that really want to roll this shot out , and go , hey , we've got these drug companies that really want to roll this shot out , and we have a president that we want to overthrow . So we've got to have a major disruption so that we can change the rules of this election , stuff the ballot boxes and make some . And plus , if it takes America down , I mean , people don't realize this , but the left-wing Marxists that are in this country Do we just click for a minute ? Yeah , the left-wing Marxists that are in this country , they don't mind if America is taken down a notch or two . Yeah , because they think we're too cocky , too full of ourselves .
Speaker 1Yeah , so I just I really I believe that we are beings that are made to be in community . Yeah , and we purposely isolated people in a time when they're supposed to be healing , and we instilled fear , yeah , and that was probably more deadly than the virus was to most people .
Speaker 2Fear like that should never be preached from a pulpit , don't you think ? I mean , the message of the gospel is bold , courageous , it's actually full of power . Yeah , that God can heal you . Yeah , I mean , god is a healer . I know in a lot of American churches we're ashamed of that . I mean we really are . We like to embrace our infirmities and sicknesses in the church . We do , because it's our badge of suffering and we're being glorified by our suffering , blah , blah , blah . But the message of the gospel is healing is a part of it . It is , I mean , it really is . Jesus came to heal you physically . Yeah , I mean that message just didn't . And what a great time , wouldn't that have been amazing , if the church had gone . Well , I don't know about that . I don't know about a doctor . I don't know about shots , I don't know about masking . But if you come here and we pray for you , you're going to be healed .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2And we're going to believe that you'll be healed . We're and you're going to be healed .
Speaker 1Oh , this is a great test of faith , right ?
Speaker 2I mean because , well , regardless , Because I mean , that's what we're called and commanded to do . Yes , I mean , jesus said I'm leaving . Now you lay hands on the sick and they will recover . These signs will follow you . Yeah , I mean , this is the Great Commission , it's in the Great Commission and we just threw that out because we're Americans and we believe more in what science and logic and we don't believe in the things of the spirit very much and the individual responsibility was taken away and we wanted the government to bail us out .
Speaker 1Oh yeah , I mean , that was it . What can you do to help us ?
Speaker 2Yeah , I still can't believe that happened . I mean , it's like it's never happened in the history of our nation .
Speaker 1No , and it won't ever happen again .
State Fair Stories and Campaign Style
Speaker 1I don't think , no , I don't think . I mean , I think that this generation will have to pass away . I think .
Speaker 2Before anybody will do it . You don't think they'll try .
Speaker 1I do think they'll try , but I know the enemy never does anything new .
Speaker 2No , he doesn't .
Speaker 1Always the same old thing . But that's the whole thing about the deceiver . He's very deceiving . So I mean I just don't think this generation is going to be taken forward again . Yeah , I hope not In that way . I mean , he's deceiving because he tries to use different ways . Yeah , yeah , Anyway . Man got off on that one , didn't we ? Wow , man , maybe we needed to talk about it Wrote me into COVID . Yeah , I know , well , speaking of it , it's spiking 44 minutes .
Speaker 2Oh , wow , wow , all right , it's spiking . What do you mean ? It's spiking ?
Speaker 1I . What do you mean ? It's spiking . I saw something on my Google that said that COVID is spiking .
Speaker 2Yeah or monkeypox . I heard that that's the rage .
Speaker 1It's something . That's why , Andrew , I don't think anybody's going to take the bait anymore . Oh , I think we're over it .
Speaker 2I really do I think everybody's over it ?
Speaker 1Yeah , I really do they had one shot . I'd be interested to know who . Never mind , I'm not going to go there , but anyway , I just you know .
Speaker 2Alright , so did we have any questions ? Anybody ? Not a question . But Allison said sticking with the blue theme . I see , I wondered about that .
Speaker 1I was going to say something , Allison .
Speaker 2I'm looking over at Jim . She's not here right now .
Speaker 1Alright , well , allison , we saw your question , your comment , and it's the blue thing and the black glasses Last week or last episode we looked like twins and that was embarrassing . But finding out you're over 50 years old . We're really far from twins , it's true , although we're the same color .
Speaker 2Jimmy , it's not hard if you show up , I will say that , okay . So it's not hard to show up , looking like me if you wear a blue shirt , because I wear a lot of blue . You do , I do . Your wife says you look good in it . I don't know if she said that . Oh okay , did she tell you that ? Because she didn't tell me pretty sure that's not true uh , um , anyway . So you know , there's , there's that . So what did you have ? Anybody else ? It looks like it .
Speaker 1Nope , all the other okay with the blue theme .
Speaker 2Yeah , okay , we can do that yeah , so next time we'll , maybe we'll coordinate and you know , you'll wear something different and I'll wear another blue shirt .
Speaker 1We should just continue to wear blue okay I don't want to get all mike brawny though , with the whole blue shirt . Brawny , what is he ? Remember mike braun when he wore the blue shirt , the whole , everything he went to , he had a blue shirt .
Speaker 2You know what people don't realize remember that is no , but maybe vaguely , he he like they started playing it up oh , did they really yeah , he wore this blue button-down shirt all the time and it .
Speaker 1it was always like there's Mike Braun , he's got that blue shirt on oh , that's funny . You don't remember that when he ran what ?
Speaker 2people don't realize is when you're running a campaign you kind of have a uniform . You don't say you do . It doesn't look like a uniform , yeah , but you do , because you've got to have your campaigning clothes on , so you've got . I mean , it's just the truth Campaigning clothes .
Speaker 1It's the truth .
Speaker 2Yeah . So you've got several pairs of something that you're going to be wearing all the time . You don't show up in Bermuda shorts and Hawaiian shirt . I mean , it's just never going to happen .
Speaker 1Unless you did every time Maybe , yeah , and then it's your persona or Fetterman's hoodie . No , that's Bruce Borders . Yes , well , there you go , he plays it out . Well , he shows up in the yes yeah , when you say kind of fancy shirt , that's what he shows up in .
Speaker 2So whatever you do when you're campaigning , you want to have a look that defines you , even if it's nerdy or dorky , it doesn't matter . Before you even get a platform , who cares about platforms ?
Speaker 1cares about platforms . You're kamala . You don't need a platform , just just get a look first , that's right and roll with it . Okay , I want to know when the guy's going to come out with the no shirt under the overalls . Look , I think anybody will do that . I mean , there's got to be something on the platform , maybe . Maybe a white shirt under it , but overalls yeah , where's overalls to ? Everything . Yeah , I think I think you could win doing that without a platform .
Speaker 2I think you could win .
Speaker 1I don't know If anybody's interested in using me as a consultant for your campaign . It's jimmymccanna at gmail , yeah , or the MC Square podcast at gmailcom . If you're interested in getting to us and you want us to help with your campaign , overalls , no shirt under it americana baby americana I went to the state fair on tuesday oh did you really love the state fair .
Speaker 1It's super nice . Um , I love that if you go there , they have this tractor thing that you'd ride around on for free and you just ride around and just look at Hoosiers . Man , it is the coolest thing in the world . I love , I love Indiana people . I really do . It's because they're just for one , they're just super nice and they're just in all shapes and sizes and it is , it's absolutely amazing . I mean , it smells like it smells like corn , because they had that corn they're cooking right on the grill .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1It smells like cotton candy , it smells like marijuana . It smells like body funk All in one space there at the no , it really I really love .
Speaker 2I heard it was packed , absolutely packed . Oh my gosh , so you got to go on .
Speaker 1Tuesday . Why I heard it was packed , absolutely packed . Oh my gosh , so you got to go on Tuesday . Why Every eatery you go to has a $2 item .
Speaker 2Yeah , my goodness , I think they ask all of them to do that yeah .
Speaker 1Just think about this you go in there with $10 . You can go to five different places . Get one thing from each one , you could try all kinds of stuff . Yeah , next year I , you can go to five different places . Get one thing from each one , you could try all kinds of stuff . Next year I'll be going on Tuesday again , and the rides were super cheap on Tuesday too . Did you ride some rides ?
Speaker 2Yeah , I rode the rides with the kids . I never ride the rides .
Speaker 1Yeah , I rode the rides with the kids .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's .
Speaker 1We eat a bunch of nasty food and then go ride the rides and I actually made myself really sick on one of them and I had to be done .
Speaker 2That's why I don't ride the fair rides .
Speaker 1Yeah Well , this is what stupid me . So I go in and it says 15 tickets for one ride . I'm like 15 tickets , oh my gosh . So I bought some tickets and for the first ride I had , like what did I have like 36 tickets ? The first ride said 15 tickets and two kids were and I thought , shoot , I got six tickets left . So I went and bought more tickets , find out it was only using four tickets . So at the end I had I had 44 tickets left on and they do it on a little credit card now they do on a little credit card . And so I had to go and start , like I had to scout my credit card and I said , hey , trust me , there's 11 rides in this thing . Right , right , I messed up , I'll give you half price and I got $20 out of it . I mean , I lost $20 . Wow , I mean , what are you going to do with that card ? But it's the new thing now they got these cards that you load instead of having the tickets .
Speaker 1It's easier for the carnies .
Speaker 2How much longer is the fair going ?
Speaker 1It's done .
Speaker 2Sunday it's done .
Speaker 1Sunday yeah , oh , it goes for two weeks , right . Two weeks , yeah , and it'll be in on Sunday . I've been to the state fair in a while , I love the state fair . It's a lot of fun . The food is amazing . I love the corn on the cob , the crazy food . I love the corn on the cob , I mean , and the Well , we probably should wrap up .
Speaker 2Folks , thank you for watching and also listening . This will be obviously uploaded to the podcasting service that you subscribe to , whether it's Spotify or Apple or whatever . Google , yep , google , and they've been kind of rapid fire . We uploaded two episodes this week , even though they were live on facebook , and all that . We didn't get the audio sorted out and put on there . So we're gonna probably , uh drew , do a better job on this one and get this up a little sooner . But , um , folks , we really appreciate , uh , all of the participation . We get lots of nice comments . Um , we know that a lot of you watch and we were hoping for some questions , but maybe you could email those to themcsquaredpodcast at gmailcom .
Speaker 1And say you would like us to answer it on air .
Speaker 2We could do that too . We could totally do that , or obviously on Facebook or X or the YouTube channel . You can just let us know . So I think hopefully next time we're going to do a little bit of chatting about a , a groundbreaking book . It just came out two weeks ago , so by the time we talk about it it'll be a month . But really that's , that's not too . That's not too long to talk about .
Speaker 1You're really excited about this book .
Speaker 2Well , because it's kind of in line with things I've said before and felt already a long time . So it's just kind of some you know anyway .
Speaker 1It's just a little bit of a teaser .
Speaker 2Well , it's politics in the church and it's kind of the infiltration and interesting how it's happening and the money when is the money coming from ? Where is the money coming from ? Very good , Anyway , folks . We hope you have a wonderful evening . Thank you for listening to us and we will see you guys next time Later .