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Terre Haute in the national News! Ep.32
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Speaker 1Welcome to the MC Squared Podcast . This is episode number 32 . Thanks for being with us . We had a little bit of a break , but that just allows the topics to build up , Build up yeah Over the last few weeks it's been , and I'm the only one wearing headphones in this situation . That's fine . I don't really know why , but it sounds better to me and it's kind of like my hat .
Speaker 2Exactly .
Speaker 1How are ?
Speaker 2you doing , Andrew ? It's like you're doing an interview .
Speaker 1And you're like representing Texas here .
Speaker 2I am because we just got back from a trip to San Antonio , texas , which I'd never been . I'd been to Dallas many , many , many years ago but never been that far south . I went to visit my brother and , uh , his family and got to go , uh , to his new golf business short games . That was really fun and , uh , I went and saw the alamo , which is a big deal for me . I really enjoyed that and river walk down there in san antonio for those who are familiar with that area and eat some good food and actually we ate so much good food felt like just wanted to take a couple of days .
Speaker 2I mean , we got back and not eat at all but got a little bit of a cold on the way back and uh , actually I've hit the ground running with my work and just kind of it just has felt like I still am a little disoriented . So hopefully the podcast isn't going to be too crazy . I just feel a little not in vacation mode , just kind of like my world is just Spinning . It was so hot down there , just this one , you say , how hot was it ?
Speaker 1How hot was it Andrew ? Yeah , we should have planned that one out . How hot was it , andrew ?
Speaker 2It feels like it felt like at times like you were in an oven or a frying pan and I'm not not always In the evening . It was real cool . There was a nice breeze one evening . It gets kind of cool at night . Holy cow , the heat . It was just really . It was warm .
Speaker 1Yeah , but you know what Everybody always says it's a dry heat right .
Speaker 2Yeah , and the humidity wasn't bad , I will say that , but it felt like you were close to the sun .
Speaker 1Yeah , you are slightly closer , so it didn't matter . You are slightly closer to the sun closer to the equator .
Speaker 2But it was interesting . A lot of different landscape . It was like a different world . So it was a lot of fun .
Speaker 1So what about this ? I'm intrigued by his golf business . The short game , yes . So what's that about ?
Speaker 2So it's like a not glorified but an expanded driving range covered and it's got indoor bays , but the whole place has got this software . So when you're at the driving bay you pay for a bay and it automatically feeds you the ball , which is really cool . It runs on a software where you can golf like almost any course in the world . You could just you punch that in and so it tracks like you're you're on that golf course , so you're very accurate with your swings and all that stuff . I mean you can do the putting , the chipping , everything there . Um , so that's really cool . They also have a lot of instruction . So he's an instructor , he's got two bays that are like huge garage doors and it's got all these cameras . In fact I've got a couple that he sent me . I can't show it here and I don't want to show it here actually because it's me swinging the golf club , so it doesn't run the family .
Speaker 1He's a golf instructor .
Speaker 2Well , no it doesn't , but I did beat him in putt-putt because in the indoor you can play a putt-putt course and it's absolutely crazy . They serve food . It's really really cool , but it's just been open since January . That was what was going on there . We spent a couple of days there and he's actually making good wings for snacks .
Speaker 1Oh , nice , it was actually really good . Nice , the wings were really good .
Speaker 2That's really cool , and pizza and stuff like that no , that was an absolute blast . And we didn't have to pay for anything either , because my brother owns the business .
Speaker 1Oh , that's nice , so that was what was cool .
Speaker 2But it's not actually that expensive yeah . And you did the classic dad thing which , yeah , and you did the classic dad thing , which was you bought the hat and the shirt represents the state I did and I wore it when I was down there . My wife is like you're not supposed to do that you wear a hat from somewhere else that you've been you do .
Speaker 1The one that has indiana says , yeah , well , I have colorado , I don't want to wear it .
Speaker 2Yeah , colorado , yeah , but it didn't happen , I didn't care , so well done . I'm not a fashion person yeah , yeah . Anyway , we've got a ton of topics and it kind of we titled this um this episode . Uh , terre Haute makes the national news Cause there's a couple of national news stories , um , actually one positive , one negative ?
Speaker 1Oh well , it matters which way you're looking at it .
Speaker 2Well , one's a positive .
Speaker 1One's a positive for sure , yeah , and you think the other one's a negative , I don't really know what the other one is .
Speaker 2I have an idea but Okay , yeah , well , let's start with the positive . So Richard Goodall , a janitor in the Vigo County School Corporation , was on America's Got Talent . Yeah , and locally this is big news it really is . So locally people watching this are not going to be surprised .
Speaker 1No , they've all been watching it this whole time .
Speaker 2But we have folks that listen to this podcast . I mean all over the place . At least like in Illinois At least , so they may not know this . So when I first , did you watch him at all on the show ?
Speaker 1I watched the very first . Well , we watched the playback of it because I didn't know he was going out for it , yeah , so everybody saw the first song that he did and I didn't really follow it much , but every time it seemed like every couple of weeks , whenever they would have an episode he would like do really well , yes , and then it just became really apparent that he was like one of the top .
Speaker 2Well , I think he had two , three things going for him and , first of all , his voice was incredibly good , yeah , and he sounded like to me , you know , the lead singer of journey and he did a lot of the journey songs , which is kind of my . I kind of liked that .
Speaker 1I didn't be honest . That's okay , that's good , it's good stuff .
Speaker 2In between my worship meeting . No , I'm just kidding , I don't Anyway .
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Speaker 2So his voice really good , I mean really good , but he's also very humble , extremely , and about the nicest person you could . I've not met him , but everybody that has come in contact with him or known him over the years said he's one of the nicest people you could ever meet . So I think he had a lot going for him in that respect . I mean , how can you not like that and root for him and cheer for him ? So his first one was I think the first time he sang was like a home run .
Speaker 1They gave him the golden ticket , whatever it is .
Speaker 2I don't watch the show that much . I did watch it with him some .
Speaker 1But yeah , yeah , he went through multiple levels . It's kind of a big contrast to a lot of people on there because if you're going on america's got talent , you're going on there because you believe you have talent right , and so you probably have a little bit of , don't have as much humility as he would have right , if you believe you have talent and you , if you believe you have enough to go on a show like that to do well . And it just really seems like he stayed humble the entire time .
Speaker 2And I think he will . I mean , it's just so . He did Terre Haute Proud and he won . He actually won Crazy . Now I will say , at the very end the only thing I watched was between him . At the very end it was between him and a dog act . Now Drew watched .
Speaker 1You watched it right . Did you watch the dog act ? Yeah , I saw the dog act .
Speaker 2Drew , what did you think it was good ? It was actually kind of crazy how she turned that dog to me , so Jumping off her back , that's great . I didn't watch it . I thought there's no way he gets beat by a dog act . Well , it's like . So I remember american idol .
Speaker 1Everybody's saying this is like you got random stuff going yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2So a dog act versus a singer , I mean like yeah , but anyway , um , it was , it was awesome , he won fantastic . So the negative part of that positive story .
Speaker 1Yes , okay , I know where you're going is no .
Speaker 2no , we've got a negative national story besides this , but let's finish up with Richard . So , first of all , from the show . We've never met you , but congratulations , richard . If you ever come across the podcast at C-Squared , congratulations . You did Terre Haute proud . We're all very proud of you and very , very grateful for your attitude , and it speaks well of you . It does .
Speaker 1But the payout , Jimmy . Yeah , I saw on the payout they advertise it as what . One million .
Speaker 2So win a million dollars .
Speaker 1Win a million dollars and a car . Oh , I didn't know about the car , but anyway , there's been some talk about that and I think that his humility and it's based upon votes right , people vote for you and so people probably think like a million dollars could really affect this , change this guy's life , and so let's vote for him . Plus , he's a good singer , yeah , but it's really interesting because the million is not really what you think a million would be . It actually comes , is actually payable in a financial annuity over 40 years , or okay . So , or the contestant can choose to do a cash value payout of such annuity , which I think all of us would probably opt for that .
Speaker 1And so what is ? That , jimmy , it's $300,000 after taxes about .
Speaker 2I heard it was before taxes .
Speaker 1Oh well , I thought it was after taxes , Let me see if I've got . Let's see Break down cash value .
Speaker 2Break it down who had that $700,000 . Drew can't .
Speaker 1Okay , but if you don't take that though I know Drew can't , but if you don't take it , it's $25,000 a year for 40 years .
Speaker 2That $25,000 a year for 40 years . That guy's not going to live for probably 40 more years . Well , no , they said he'd be 90-some years old by the time he got done paid out . Yeah , I like Richard , but I don't know what kind of health he's in to make it 40 more years .
Speaker 1But I mean it's not all about spending the money , I mean it's for the next generation too .
Speaker 2So a friend of mine , retired pastor Aaron Wheaton , posted this on Facebook today that's what kind of where I , if I can find yeah , here we go , oh yeah , and he he's posting it from somebody else . But so here it is . Uh good , all getting 1 million , but the payout is 25,000 per year for 40 years , which would make him 95 when it finished . Or take the cash payment , estimated to be 300,000 pre-tax . See , it's like a lottery If you think about it .
Speaker 2So pre-tax , so with your lottery , if you , if they say same thing with the lottery , if you win a million dollars , right , it's a million . If you take the payout , if you take the payments every year , yeah , it's a million . If you choose not to take the million , it's $300,000 or something like that . Then you get taxed . You never , you're not . If you do the cash payout , he wasn't ever going to get a million , yeah , so it's $300,000 before tax . And now this show is in California . Oh , I pay California tax .
Speaker 1Yes , so it is .
Speaker 2Because he's paying California and with a gift tax , so he's I mean it's not much , just giving it back After a while you're paying them to go do the show , but he's really going to make his money from other acts he's going to do later on , possibly .
Speaker 1Yeah , I think he'll get some and maybe someone will sign him to a contract and all that kind of stuff . People are going to want to hear him sing .
Speaker 2This is just a little bit of a start-up he's got the fame , he's got the notoriety from it , so you should be able to help that . Propel you onto something more financially . What do you think ? Maybe $150,000 ? Is what he's actually going to walk away with ?
Speaker 1I don't know , that's almost misleading advertising . Well as long as gavin newsom gets his in california .
Speaker 2So they start with 300 000 and then they put it in an annuity and they give you a payment of 25 000 a year off of it until you get to a million . So that's , that's how they they are able to do that oh , I get you .
Speaker 1I thought I thought it broke it down to no .
Speaker 2So then if you get a payout where you want it all at once , you get the $300 . That's it , and you don't get a million . But then the taxes on a lump sum payment are over 50% of a gift tax . It's a gift tax or a sweepstakes Any of those people on the shows the Wheel of Fortune or all the same thing with them . Whatever they win , it's like half .
Speaker 1And it's a lot of them are in California too . Yeah , that they walk away with .
Speaker 2Anyway . So that's kind of the dark side .
Speaker 1Everybody knows that , though going into it , yeah you do , and it's really just like he's really going to make his money later on .
Speaker 2Right , right Plus I mean it was free to be honest .
Speaker 1Well , he had to put it $150,000 .
Speaker 2Yeah , exactly , well , he put a lot of work into it .
Speaker 1Do you think they flew him out there and everything ? No , from what ?
Speaker 2I heard I think he had to have a GoFundMe to help sustain all the travel , all the effort and all the work put into it , and I think there was also . He said on the news that he had a lot of vacation days saved up so he was able to afford to do that . He was still getting a paycheck from his janitorial work .
Speaker 1Somebody said he's going to quit being a janitor . Is that true ? I don't know . Well , does he lose insurance ? I have no idea , I mean he loses insurance .
Speaker 2That's what I'm no idea . Yeah , I mean he loses insurance . That's what I'm worried about .
Speaker 1I'm concerned about his insurance . He doesn't . I mean he looks , he doesn't look really healthy . Okay , just throwing it out there . I mean You're the healthcare guy , so Well , you don't have to have health insurance , but I mean , he goes in the hospital for one little thing . I'm sorry . No , it's true , 150 be gone pretty quick .
Speaker 2Well , maybe he got married while he was out there this last week . So that was kind of cool , all right . So national news , so that was great , big deal . We also have a negative and it is unfortunate . So ISU , indiana State University , had a speaker scheduled to come and speak to them . It was Rich Lowry , which he is like . He's kind of like . He's a conservative , he's on the , he's an editor and a journalist for National Review , he's on Fox News . A lot and a lot of these different media shows . They'll go to him about politics and things like that . Have you ever seen him before ? I have not .
Speaker 1no , Nobody heard about the story .
Speaker 2I'm very familiar with him , at least to the extent that I've seen him forever on these panels . I think there's even been election nights where he's , you know , been a part of it , or whatever . Um , rich Lowry is nobody's radical , he is conservative , but he's not , uh , what I would term in any way a firebrand , um and ISU
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Speaker 2. So what happened was he was doing an interview and maybe I can read it a little bit of it in his own words Um , the huge controversy over absolutely nothing , but it's kind of indicative of the hatred and the censorship that's tried , it's , it's always out there for for conservatives . Um , so he was in a uh , uh , an interview with Megan Kelly and he was talking about the Haitian migrants oh , uh , because that was a big , that's a big deal , it's a big political story and he mispronounced , pronounced it as I mispronounce , pronounce . That's pretty funny . Um , he mispronounced it and he said , uh , let , pronounced it and he said uh , let's , let me see here it is uh , okay , so he goes on the megan kelly show , he goes . I was , um , and I'm going to try to explain this how he said , but he was discussing the springfield ohio controversy and , in course of saying haitian migrants , he goes .
Speaker 2I started to mispronounce the word migrants . I began to say it with a short I , so migrants I don't know the way you say immigrants . Instead of saying the long I that you use for migrants , he goes . I caught myself in the middle before shifting to the correct pronunciation . So what I said you might call the M word . You can try to look up the M word , but you will fail because it's not a word , let alone a racial slur . So he stumbled over his words and it got blown way out of proportion . It was NPR .
Speaker 1He goes if you want to go to the absurd Zapruder film links .
Speaker 2You know the JFK film he goes . You could slow down the clip and hear clearly that what I said begins with the M and blah , blah , blah . So he mispronounced this . It got crazy . He was scheduled to speak at isu and they canceled him . And their statement oh , I've got it , I've got . You got to read their statement if you've got it .
Speaker 1Oh , it's really good . It says this is what they said . The indiana state university speaker series has a proud tradition of featuring speakers from multiple walks of life , representing a range of political , cultural and experiential . Don't ask me to say the word .
Speaker 2Perspectives , so many perspectives .
Speaker 1Stated by the university . We are actively working to identify opportunities to invite a speaker with a proven history of promoting intellectually diverse viewpoints to the speaker series which will be announced at a later date .
Speaker 2So don't hold your breath , right ? So , in other words , give the statement of why they canceled him .
Speaker 1It is important to stress that this cancellation is not intended to limit , oh , our neutrality on different political viewpoints . Oh , here it is . Indiana State University remains firmly committed to fostering intellectual diversity , encouraging the respectful exchange of ideas from multiple perspectives .
Speaker 2But why ?
Speaker 1That is the biggest . Yes , it is Okay . Indiana State University . Did you use AI to write that ? Seriously your professors didn't write that , all right . They did not write that that's AI , all right , okay , but there's a line in there that you didn't read , oh there's more . Yes , there's more .
Speaker 2So this is his quote from their statement . I was scheduled to speak at Indiana State University in a couple of weeks , but the university has scrapped my parents' quote in light of recent developments and following the advice of our public safety officials regarding campus and community community safety concerns . So they cited the fact that , um , it was unsafe to have this guy on campus . Now , um , that's absolutely ridiculous . And what he said and this is what's sad for our university , for our local area is taking the side of a woke online fringe and giving it what it wants on the basis of almost a certainly non-existent security threat , doesn't speak to political neutrality . Right , they're not being neutral . No , they would never do this to a left-wing speaker . They're not being neutral . No , they would never do this to a left-wing speaker .
Speaker 2However , say that they're genuine . I don't think they are , but say there's genuine and there was a serious security threat because this guy mispronounced migrant . I still have no idea the racial slur . What in the world , if there is a real security threat and I'm quoting from him here what does that say about Indiana State University If the young people under its care and tutelage are liable to storm a lecture hall if he shows up . That's an indictment of them , not me , is the unquote , and he's right . That's just ridiculous .
Speaker 1It just goes to show why Indiana State University Unfortunately for our area , but I mean they are They've been swirling . Their freshman admissions have been down , I mean , and now they're grasping At straws by doing crazy stuff Like this . They're very partial . They're trying to act like they're impartial . I mean , come on , you think anybody buys that , though . I mean seriously .
Speaker 2come on , do you think anybody buys that , though I mean seriously . What's funny is I mean they could maybe pull this off if it was Trump . I mean Trump's had two assassination attempts on his life . There's currently , you know , threats against his life on a daily basis , and all of them from left-wing nuts , by the way , and so I can see with an actual security concern when you have someone like the president , the former president of the united states , rich lowry is 95 of the campus didn't know this guy was even coming on campus .
Speaker 2Nobody's even heard of the speaker series because it's probably full of left-wing lunatics that come in ? Yes , exactly .
Speaker 1I mean , and so nobody cares . I mean .
Speaker 2So , speaking of public education , because I want to segue into this because Elon Musk tweeted out or X'd out or posted on X . I mean , I honestly don't even know how it's supposed to be said . I feel like it's posted on X , but I just don't want to say he tweeted it .
Speaker 1Is that wrong ? No , I think it's okay to say tweet . Everybody understands , everybody knows what I'm saying , X'd it .
Speaker 2So he tweeted out a
College Professors and Education Concerns
Speaker 2graphic . This is really fascinating and I actually looked up the study and read through some of it , so I understand the statistics based here . So , and it is professors . The headline of it is professors are democrats . Therefore , quote experts unquote are democrats too , and it gives the percentage uh jimmy of of professors in these fields in colleges , major colleges , the percentages of democrat versus republican . I mean , without seeing the graphic , would anybody want to guess ? Guess what those percentages are ?
Speaker 1I'm interested in . What kind of colleges are these ? So they ?
Speaker 2looked yes , these are all major you would recognize all the names . These are major universities , government-funded colleges , and a lot of them are East Coast . Oh Okay , so they surveyed 5,100 professors . So these are professors , tenured professors , by the way , these are folks who are secure in their job . They've been there for a while . Among the communications professors , 100% were Democrats . Anthropology was 100% .
Speaker 1How do you get 100% in a survey ? What's the N ? Did they give you an N on this ?
Speaker 2What do you mean ? The number of people ?
Speaker 1Yes , 5,100 . 5,100 total and 100% of communications .
Speaker 2So in engineering was the best and engineering was about 61% were Democrat . The rest were republicans . And I actually read some of the statistics that they did and so basically they would take say there were um , say , were there 200 professors in a in a certain uh field , and they would question them ? Uh , probably 80 would say they were Democrats . Probably 10% were not registered to vote , so they just , you know , they weren't registered to vote , so it just didn't even matter . And then the other , like another 10% , were registered to vote , democrat or were registered to vote , said , you know , said they were unaffiliated but they were registered to vote . And then you'd have one or 2% that were Republicans . Now that is , and this is across the board . Now this was also done in 2018 , so it's not gotten better since 2018 .
Speaker 2This was a little bit a while ago and this was a lot of the east coast schools . I mean , there's some major schools . I had the list somewhere . Um , is this science ? It was actually a very scientific study , but does this mean ISU is this way ? I would be really interested if there was a serious polling of the ISU professors . From what I've understood from students who've gone there , from folks who sit on boards .
Speaker 2It is a very high percentage of the college professors who are left-wing activists . They are , for sure , democrats . Now , what's what's terrible about this is parents send these kids to these colleges and and a lot of them don't realize that they really . I know you , you and I pay attention , we think you know , you should know this , but a lot of people don't pay attention to understand and , and left-wing activists means their goal is not as much to educate your child in communications or anthropology or religion . It is to indoctrinate them in the most important thing that these folks believe , and that is liberalism or socialism or Marxism . It is the most important thing to these folks , folks . And so your kids will go there either apolitical , uh , moderately political , even sometimes conservative , and they will come out believing the most crazy left-wing wacko things about america , about society , um , about politics , and these folks feel like they've done their job and you're in and these parents are paying for this , or these kids are paying for this , or these kids are paying for this and they're not getting an education .
Speaker 1Not really . The taxpayers are paying for a lot of it , that's true . I don't want to go down a rabbit hole with this , but there's a spot that we could go really quick . Is number three on that list of professors , that Religion . Yeah , yeah , that's interesting , isn't it ? I don't think it is . Yeah , I don't think it's interesting . I think it is absolutely in line . How many times , andrew , have some , has somebody said to you before you know , because you have high values , or because maybe you don't cuss at work , or because maybe you try to be nice to everybody at work , they say , well , he's just a real religious person , right ?
Speaker 1Man it burns me , yeah , and I think it's from people not really understanding what the root of religion is . Right , religion's not of God . Right , it's made by man . Right , and it's been the thing that's perverted god for from the very beginning , absolutely , and it's the thing that jesus fought against . And it's just crazy that number three on this list communications , anthropology , religion yeah , english sociology is actually under that , and you would never guess that . But these are quote-unquote religious professors , right , right .
Speaker 2And so do you think they've got a positive view of Christianity when they're teaching these kids ?
Speaker 1No , I think . Let's read the numbers . I think they're 98.59% were Democrats . I think they're very religious , yeah , and I think that's the problem . Yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , but anyway , no , you're right . Yeah , yeah , that's the problem . Yeah , yeah , but anyway , no , you're right . Yeah , yeah , so that's , uh , that's something that's , you know , I mean I don't want to get into it tonight . Sometime we should . I've always said sometime we should , I don't know um we should talk about education .
Speaker 2Well , we should talk about education someday . We're not going to tonight , we don don't have time for it . It's a huge subject , but let me just say this and just kind of put this out there just to like tick people off but I thought about this , I thought about this for a while and it's . I believe this , I believe this the public education in America has devolved into a cult . It is devolved into a cult . And what do you have when you have cult followers ? Can you present facts to them ? No , any criticism . And immediately they circle the wagons and you're persecuting me . They follow like , uh , blind sheep . Whatever their organization , whether it's a teacher's union or whether it's nea national education association or the department of education , whatever those folks say , they follow like blind sheep . It is a cult .
Speaker 2In the meantime , there are a lot of parents concerned , parents who are looking at these results , and educators by the way , there's a lot of good teachers out there who see through the smoke and mirrors and they're not cult followers and they look at the results and they go yeah , my high schooler can't read . Let's look at every available metric there is , whether it's not just test scores . I mean people , they rip on test scores . Okay , well , whatever , I mean it wasn't bad 20 , 30 years ago , but test scores SAT scores , act scores , reading competency , history quizzes , the knowledge of what our forefathers are , how our government works or any of these things how to be a good citizen in today's society , and every metric , jimmy , we are failing and getting worse and worse and it's not even close and it is not connected to money . Some of the worst schools are the best funded schools . Some of the best public schools are very underfunded , but you got folks in charge that have decided they're not going to put up with this stuff . Discipline has gone out the window window .
Speaker 2The classrooms are out of control some great teachers have nothing to work with as far as support a lot of great teachers . Yeah , yeah . So we don't want to get into it tonight . We're not going to go down the rabbit hole , blah , blah , blah , but it's true . This is a serious . If we want to fix america and and do , the education system has to get fixed and we have to be brutally honest with ourselves of what has not been working . Otherwise , we're just kidding ourselves . We're just throwing more money , bad money or good money after bad money . I'm off my soapbox .
Speaker 1Wow , yeah , you really got on it there . I thought about that a little bit . So I'm off my , I'm off my soapbox . Wow , yeah , you really got on it .
Speaker 2I thought about that a little bit , so we've lost the two teachers that were watching us .
Speaker 1No , they're the good ones . They are , they're the good ones .
Speaker 2They are Absolutely and I really feel for them .
Speaker 1I mean there's a lot of . I mean there's a lot of people that they went in to teaching because they wanted to make a difference , just like people that go into , you know , let's say , healthcare . They want to make a difference . They go in to make a difference , and I do think there's a lot of people fighting battles out there , but they're getting wins . They're getting wins for the next generation . They are , they're rescuing kids , right .
Speaker 2Absolutely , it's a safety net . I mean , these people are a safety net , but system-wide they aren't beating it . They may be , like you said , they're pulling some kids out of the fire . They're saving the ones that come through their classroom , you know , for what they can do . Absolutely , that's great In the meantime , but that's all . The hundreds of thousands of kids are are having their lives . You know they're not being prepared . Well , they're , they're being complete . I mean , colleges now have instituted I mean this this alone should tell us , jimmy colleges now have instituted remedial courses for almost every freshman coming in to get them quote to college level . And college level isn't what it used to be . Yeah , it just isn't .
Speaker 2Um , and we're like , at what point do we stop saying it's the republicans because they haven't been funding us , they're against education , blah , blah , blah , blah , blah , blah , when every person in that I've ever talked to cares about kids . We all care . Even though my kids don't go to public school , I care about the kids going to public school . I want them to know how to read , well , I want them to know the history of the United States . I want them to be good citizens when they graduate . I want them to be able to read . I , when they graduate , I want them to be able to read . I might've said that already and I mean , it's just , but they're not . And yeah , my taxpayers are , tax dollars are paying for it , and yours are too , and everybody's are . And they're asking for more money and they're acting like it's because we aren't giving them money . And we all know if we're , if we're honest with ourselves . We all know that that is not the truth . That is not the case . It is not because they're not getting more money .
Speaker 1I think it's even way deeper than that . I think it's the degradation of the family . Yes , because when you didn't have as much as that , teachers could actually just do their job instead of being caretakers , being mentors , being that parents should be doing for their kids .
Speaker 2Absolutely . Think about it A little . Johnny 40 years ago would act up in class , I mean generally he'd get his rear end beat when he got home ?
Speaker 1Yeah , probably at school , and then when he got home too Exactly Nowadays .
Speaker 2First of all , little Johnny's never been told no at home . He's a holy terror in the classroom . They can't really deal with him and if they do , the parents show up angry . Yeah , absolutely . But that is the result of 30 or 40 or 50 years of public school education . That has taught us liberal child rearing liberal , this liberal that I mean . The spirit of the child is to be free and just move and have no restraints . And that's not life , that's not reality , it's not biblical , it's . There's nothing about that that has brought good fruit . So so , with the experiment of liberalism , now is the time to begin to turn the tide and say and a lot of parents are , I will say this . So this sounds really negative , but the truth is , a lot of parents have woken up and have pulled their kids out of public school . They are homeschooling them , they're sending them to christian schools , they're doing whatever they can to be involved in that child's life and they're make , they are making a huge difference and , honestly , that is how we're going to turn it , turn the tide .
Speaker 2I'd love to see the school system totally , totally overhauled . I would love to see the department of education or the top down system eliminated and local communities being complete control of their public school system yeah , they really should be awesome . They really should be . Yeah , and I think you can cut a lot of the administrators . I think you get rid of a lot of them . You certainly don't need an equity or whatever the diversity officers and you don't need a superintendent making 200 , $300,000 a year .
Speaker 2I mean , seriously , you just you don't need any of that stuff . And I get back to the basics , but that's just me , so it's going to take .
Speaker 1it's going to take a couple of generations to it me so it's gonna take .
Speaker 2It's gonna take a couple generations to . It's gonna take some , some people , radical and willing to , to make the make the choice but I think it'll swing I do too , I think .
Speaker 1I think it's so bad right now , I think things swing , but I think I think I believe we're on the upside .
Speaker 1Yeah , I do , I think I think we're on the other side well , I mean , and the more people and I'm not saying that to do this because people , some people just can't do it , but the more people that get frustrated with it , yeah , the less dollars to go to it . So it makes you think , just like any business , you stop getting customers . You're what I have to do to change right and so I think it will drive change .
Speaker 2That's the hope and that's always been the
Debate on Education and Economic Development
Speaker 2.
Speaker 2The idea that a lot of the republicans have had uh with the school system and I know this just riles a lot of people that I know in the education system , you know because . But the truth is , competition brings a better result . And just to what you said , but a lot of educators , they're very angry about that . They don't want charter schools , they hate homeschoolers , they don't want , you know , christian schools . They roll their eyes and whatever , and they feel like that's they like and they will say that is what is undermining public education and it's nonsense . It's , that's nonsense and the reality is Hmm , okay , I'm just going to let it , we're going to stay off of that . But the competition is what's good for it , because it will expose the ones that aren't doing a good job and even the freedom of parents to pull their kids from a public school one public school that isn't doing well to a one that is , or one that isn't safe to one that is more safe . Those are , those are good things too .
Speaker 1Those are good reforms where the parent has the choice to move their kid around and do whatever , and that's it it needs to be . The parent has the choice . It needs to be at the local level because , honestly , the Republicans they've got their problems . Democrats have their problems . I mean , there's a thief on the left and there's a thief on the right . No , that's true , I mean so it needs to be back to the parents .
Speaker 2All right , so how much time we got . We've been going for a little while . Do you think we got time for this ? I don't know if we've got time for this . We've got so much folks because we didn't .
Speaker 1And you just went off on education . I did and I don't want to .
Speaker 2Honestly , there's so much more . Okay , I will say for the folks that are in there that are trying yeah , and I honestly don't debate education much . I'm a homeschool father , I was homeschooled myself and here's why and I get a lot of flack You'll hear little snide comments and socialization stuff . You will . You'll get people who , like they find out you're either you homeschool your kids or whatever . And there's just this there's a lot of prejudice and bias against it . I don't answer that very often .
Speaker 2Um , I don't care , I know my kids are well adjusted , I know my kids are , are well-educated . I don't care that there's that kind of persecution . But I look at them , not necessarily the parents , but I look at the system and I feel sorry for them because they're defending something that is actually indefendable , indefensible . There we go the statistics , the facts , the reality is in our corner . It's failed , it's a completely failed system . And until there is a waking up and so I don't debate it a lot because it's it is too easy and I don't , I don't , I don't . I'm not trying to beat up on anybody . I know there are people who are trying , but it it needs to , it needs to change , it needs to change quickly . So we had uh , I'm on x , as , as we've talked about on twitter , x , whatever , and um , so is our , so is our illustrious mayor .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2And I am . So we we got a new mayor . He's very young mayor , um mayor Brandon Sackbun . He is a Democrat and he beat um someone who'd been a Republican , who'd been there for a while and , um , you know , Duke had done a fine job . But I think if you're in office for too long , I think Run at ideas . Yeah , you're susceptible , and Brandon was young , he's energetic , he's good looking , he's full of ideas . Not for me , but I mean it's true it matters .
Speaker 2I think it matters to voters , maybe it doesn . But I mean , it's true it matters , I think it matters to voters , maybe it doesn't . I mean I don't know . Anyway , never going to , let me let that down .
Speaker 1That was a good one .
Speaker 2Okay , anyway , so he won . It wasn't close .
Speaker 1No , it wasn't close at all .
Speaker 2And I had good hopes because Brandon reached out to some Republicans , was going to try to be bipartisan . He made some decent moves prior to being sworn in and then it just kind of fell apart and he has tweeted out some really stupid things and a lot of radical things over time , um , over time , and I'm just I don't know if he's just drunk the Democrat party Kool-Aid so bad that he doesn't fact checks himself very often , but I mean he's , he's called out , uh , republican candidates for calling for killing their political opponents , which no Republican has ever done and and wasn't . But I mean he just read the headline and ran with it like in this big soapbox about it and it's just some other stuff like that . It's just absolutely ridiculous . Well , this last one he just tweeted out and I'm okay , I'll just read it , this , this , this in capital letters , I'm not sure what studies or articles are left to write . Education and childcare are the two are two of the many drivers for economic development . Restructure the REDI program , which you know what ? The REDI program is ?
Speaker 1I don't See . That's why I don't know what the REDI program is .
Speaker 2I believe that is government funds . It is government funds , but the REDI grants that we always get for economic development .
Speaker 2That , yeah , that pay for pet projects everywhere . It's going to change our world . No , no tax dollars . So this is what he's talking about . So the Ready Grants restructure the Ready Program to focus on education , not like they don't get enough money as it is , they're already getting taxpayer dollars , so they want more taxpayer dollars for education , housing , so subsidized housing and childcare . And then , after two fiscal years of just priorities , now for Democrats they eat this stuff up . That kind of a statement , oh my gosh . Jennifer McCormick running for governor . She's going to love that . That is fantastic . It's nonsense , and I'll tell you why she's going to love that . That is fantastic . It's nonsense , and I'll tell you why .
Speaker 2What is actually an economic driver ? Is it housing ? You're opening your business because you got a house . An economic driver , what is the driver for economic growth ? It is number one freedom , yeah , and by freedom , that means less regulation . That means the government not telling you what to do . Um , less taxes . So the government taking less of your profit from whatever you sell , whatever service or good , and the incentive to keep more of what you earn through hard work , selling services you offer whatever . That is the number one and it's not even close . That's the economic driver Education , and this bugs me so bad .
Speaker 2I guess we're talking education tonight . Education is a outgrowth of economic development . It is not the driver . When people do well with their businesses , they send their kids to colleges , not the other way around . You do not come out of college with all your degrees and all your ideas and all your wisdom and sit down and make a million dollar business out of nothing . It doesn't happen because you didn't learn any of that in college . You won't learn any of that in college . You learn that through the hard knocks . You learn that through life and you learn that through a gifting or a skill that you already had prior to going to college . Yeah , this is what is fundamentally backwards .
Speaker 2And then the ready program .
Speaker 2I can't stand . This stuff is taxpayer dollars . So the ready , when you were looking at a ready grants , a ready program , read money from a hardworking entrepreneur . They take that money from a hardworking entrepreneur and then they put that money into some kind of a pet project , whether it be a hotel for a millionaire , whether it be a convention center , whether it be a parking garage , whatever it is , and it's things like that and that's going to spur economic growth . Meanwhile , the small business that's actually pulling our economy is the one that's being weighed down by a heavier tax burden . If they really believed in economic growth , they would stop all the ready grants , all the ready programs . They'd stop all the grants and the tax abatements and all this stuff and they would cut the taxes of the hardworking small business , and then you would have more people able to afford an education , sending their kids to school , more families get this families able to afford to have the wife stay home so you don't have to worry as much about child care . I know people hate that , but it's true .
Speaker 1Instead , they're looking for more uh , business owners , uh , people with money to pay a higher tax rate to begin to , you know , subsidize someone's child care and all this kind of stuff so so I , I read , I read through this a little bit , and I read a little bit of the article as much as I could , because I don't subscribe to the state affairs and you tell me that's kind of lefty anyway well , no , it's it's .
Speaker 2Who's it referring to ?
Speaker 1it's referring to a , a study done by the indiana chamber of commerce so it does say in here that the state child care shortage is costing businesses about $3 billion a year , and so that's the part that I read .
Speaker 2Yeah , so what does that mean ? Tell me about that .
Speaker 1What does that mean ? That's in sick days , that's lost time . But this is where I see this . Okay , so it might be a little bit different . I see this as remnants of what happened through the pandemic , because people no longer that shakeup that happened , that the enemy meant for bad , is actually coming back now and it's actually costing these companies , because people realize you know what .
Speaker 1My job's still going to be there . I don't have to dedicate every second of my 40 hours or whatever I'm doing . I don't have to dedicate all that , right , because so my kid gets sick , I'll call in sick because they can't replace me . Right ? And honestly , I really think that if the as far from the business aspect of it I'm not looking at the I don't know where education comes into this . Far from the business aspect of it , I'm not looking at the I don't know where education comes into this . But but from the , but from the child care part , yeah , I think if , yeah , a government's not going to fix this right , we're not going to stick our kids in a government-funded child care thing . We're not going to do that .
Speaker 2but I'm telling you , if businesses get on board with this and they look and see three , three billion dollars a year and they say , okay , part of our part of our benefit package right is going to be at all for child care well , here's the thing , jimmy I work I work in a private business is free to do that absolutely , and so that this should drive them to do that ?
Speaker 1that's not what they're asking no , that's , that's not what he's saying . But I , I'm just saying that's what this data should show is like the American worker now is really not quite as invested as they were before . And I'm not saying I'm saying that's actually probably a good thing , right ? I think people dedicated way too much of their lives sometimes to their job .
Speaker 2It's not that good of a thing , but I do think to your point . It is a shift that happened in the workforce during COVID and I mean we all know Shift in priorities .
Speaker 2Yeah , I think for some people it's not good and I'm not going to talk about let's leave childcare out of it for a moment . Just talk about the absolute , pathetic work ethic that is in the workforce today . I mean it is you see it in in your fast food restaurants . You see it in um . I mean I've talked to manufacturers and they talk about people who cut kids , who come in and they're and it's a factory job and they don't want to work . They don't want to work and I mean there is um .
Speaker 2You know , one of the one of the things that was really cool about the Booker T Washington book and then the subsequent book that I read , the follow-up one , where it was with him and Teddy Roosevelt was . Booker T believed in the beauty of and I believe God does too the beauty of work . That work in itself is a good thing and for men it's a good thing . It's not good for men not to work . I mean this is something the Bible says you don't work , you don't eat , but it's not just because we're going to punish you . It is what we were created for . If you think about in the garden we were created what to tend the garden . God gave us a job to do . Work is a natural outgrowth and there's the , and after the civil war , with booker t there was , there was a for the slaves .
Speaker 2There was a lot of backlash of , hey , I worked , you know , and you were , they were abused in it and it was a horrible thing and he was trying to break , bring back the beauty of work , which I thought was , I think is a really cool thing that he did and it's just wonderful . But we've lost that completely in this society and folks do not put , put the effort in , I think , to your point . That's right . I mean you get it on both ways . You get the employer who's abusing their employees , but you also get these folks that are just like , yeah , I mean I , my kid has a sniffle , I'm , I'm gone , I'm done I would venture to say where I work , it's probably 90% female .
Speaker 1Yeah . Okay , and so a lot of females work in healthcare . And that's great , because that's their national talent is to take care of people .
Gender Pay Gap Discussion
Speaker 2And so so you're going to run into this a lot more , a lot , a lot , a lot .
Speaker 1They have a couple of kids . A kid gets sick .
Speaker 2Yep , they need to take the day off . That's . This is where this money's coming from . I understand why you would feel that way , because I mean , that's the that's the best situation for that child is for that mother to go , oh yeah , don't send them Absolutely , don't tile and all them up and send them to school , but be able to stay home .
Speaker 1And so I think , as , as like business owners and leaders , you have to , like , think , well , you got to accommodate your workforce and you have to and you have to be able to bend , and then , absolutely , you know , and I , I think I don't want taxpayer dollars going .
Speaker 2No , they're not going to fix it .
Speaker 1Yeah they're not . They got to put it back in the businesses and like if , if you have a business and you say a part of our package is that we are going to offer , if you can do child care , if you can do these work from home days , if your kid's sick , right , or these other things , if you're gonna get there's a lot of pushback , you're gonna get talent male and female talent , I mean , but you're gonna have a there's a , that's a huge battle going on with that because you had the whole work from home thing during covid .
Speaker 2Yeah and then even when we came back from covid , yeah , then there was , there was a lot of allowance of , ok , well , one day a week , right , I mean things that they'd never allowed it . They allowed that and it's still there's just , there is just , it's a , it's , it's a , it's a , it's a push , push and pull kind of thing going on between employers and employees . Whether that's allowed with it , I mean and I think to your point , the employees of this workforce , it doesn't matter to them . They're going to demand it , they're going to demand it .
Speaker 1They're going to demand it , yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , I always look at so the Indiana Chamber . I always look at their political , I look at kind of what their motivation is and pretty much anything they put out it's got a purpose and it is not so that employers will be better to their employees , it's to get some more money from taxpayers .
Speaker 1Maybe being ignorant like myself is bliss to read this and think this should be empowering to the businesses to make changes .
Speaker 2Well , and just to finish out , because we've gone long and we're going to close out the Drew , you all right , talking to my producer , yes , producer , we're okay . Yeah , so we've gone long , we gonna close this out , but I will . I will say one more controversial thing to end this out with this we still gotta ask about something else too after the country okay , okay , let me do .
Speaker 2Let me say this , if you , because I've I've pretty much made everybody mad . I just want to finish this out . There is another lie that the Democrat Party pushes about employment , and it is that women get paid less than men . Do you know that ? Statistically , truthfully , factually , that is not accurate . And this story of the childcare is why ? Because women work less hours than men , and that is never factored in . So what you do is you'll take a , say you take a woman , say you take a woman nurse and a male nurse . They're both paid the same , but the woman makes less . Why does the woman make less ? Because she's got to take time off , she's got her other things that she's doing . Statistically , if you will and this is kind of funny because somebody said you know what ? Alright , let's talk about this , let's talk about the .
Speaker 1Democrat mantra . So you're saying that when they give those numbers , it's not apples ?
Speaker 2to apples ? Oh no , no , they're not comparing apples to apples .
Speaker 1Well , and then are they not prorating it for the amount of hours that are worth ? So ?
Speaker 2first of all , it's illegal or certainly highly immoral . I know my facility does not do that in any way , shape or form .
Speaker 2I can't imagine anybody getting away with that Exactly , but say that you do , because they say that it's the truth . Oh , we're working on equal pay for equal work , blah , blah , blah , blah . Well , it's a non-existent issue . It really is . But if , if you think about it , so the accusation is that there's rich white men sitting up there , greedy , and they're paying these women less than men because they just hate women . Okay , that's the , that's the picture you're given , that's the accusation . Well , if that were true , jimmy , okay , if that were true , then wouldn't they only hire women , because then you could get away with not paying them as much , right ? Why would you pay ? Why would you hire a man if you could get away with with paying a woman less for the same work ? Well , because , see , that isn't happening .
Speaker 2Yeah it is all kind of a so that isn't happening , and that's that is another reason why , because because that's ridiculous Nobody's doing that .
Speaker 1Do you think it happened in what like the 60s 70s , or do you think it happened back then it ?
Speaker 2never happened . I'm going to tell you . This is the brutal , honest truth . If you have a businessman who's coming in and he wants you there 40 hours a week , 60 hours a week , I don't know whatever it is , and you got a man and you got a woman and you got a woman that has young children at home , I'm just telling you from the , they don't .
Speaker 2I'm not saying they do it today , but but the incentive would be not to hire the woman . You would never pay the woman , less Never . You would never do that . But you would say I'm paying you only for the time you're here , right , why would you want to pay her , knowing that the man is not going to be clocking out at the 40 hours ? The woman may have issues that arise in the home . She's got to take care of a kid , a sick kid or whatever it is which she's got her priorities right . But so what ? What they're actually wanting is paid time off for women more than men . That's what they're actually pushing for Subsidized pay , so that the woman makes the same amount as the man , regardless of whether the woman's there or not , because , hey , she's there , she's got to take care of the family .
Speaker 1But don't most places have built-in paid time off that everybody gets the same amount ?
Speaker 2Yeah , but a man doesn't have a baby , he doesn't get six months off yeah , they take it now , they do , now they actually do pushing for that ? Absolutely they're . They're pushing for that .
Speaker 1They're pushing for more and more basically take maternity leave or no paternity .
Speaker 2Yeah yeah , they're pushing more and more where it's going to be . It's going to be . It's socialism , where the government is basically paying you to go to work . They're subsidizing all of it , or they're forcing the business to do that . So then the cost of goods goes up because they're having to pay for this . Somehow they're paying a worker to not be there .
Speaker 1Yeah , the people that I know that work in the same facility . They I mean , if you like most facilities , if you have to leave because your kid's sick , it's considered an occurrence against you . So yeah , so I mean you would switch off . I took an occurrence because I had to stay home with Johnny . Then my wife would take the next occurrence , and so I think it's .
Speaker 2But the accusation is that you have two people working the same job , same exact job , a man and a woman , and the woman , because she's a woman , just because she's a woman , is getting paid less than the man . And that is not true Statistically it is not true , it's not accurate at all . What they do is they go okay , what is she overall making ? What are women overall making in these positions ? Women overall are making less .
Speaker 2Well , that's because they aren't working as many hours , and that is the the underlying so you're right , it's apples to apples .
Speaker 1Anyway , I thought I'd throw that out there man , yeah , I know okay we're , we're about to end .
Speaker 2Oh well , we're gonna ask about the uh what , uh where we're lincoln dinner , people are gonna be so yeah , so if you're still watching and listening , and Andrew hasn't ticked you off yet , If I haven't made you extremely angry , you know it wouldn't hurt for the people to get mad just to send in a comment or a question and just say you know what you jerk ? What are you talking about here ? Do you hate women ? You know that kind of a question . No , seriously , we have an opportunity .
Political Figures and Podcast Plans
Speaker 2We've been asked to consider live streaming from the Lincoln Day . I think it's October 21st . Is that the date I told you ? I believe that was what it is , and we're just I don't know . I'm just kind of torn by it because I'm not sure how many folks want to see that . I just kind of torn by it because I'm not sure how many folks want to see that , and I think we'd have to broadcast . During the time people would be eating , which is really a bummer , because I'd like to eat . But yeah , Anyway , we would interview . We could interview whoever's interested . That's at the Lincoln Day , so we might . The guests are Micah Beckwith , the future governor , Mike Braun , and there'll be a lot of other political figures and stuff .
Speaker 2Mark Messmer yeah , greg , good I don't know if this is something that you would be interested in . So just send us a note , say , hey , that's something we'd love to see . Or eh , maybe not , not , maybe I'll pass watching you then , um , I don't know .
Speaker 2I'm kind of torn to be totally honest with you because , I'm just not sure how the format would work to be that interesting . It'd be pretty loud in there , which we've done that at the fair . I thought the fair went really well and I like the idea of being at a fairground and all that activity going on , music going on , we had a lot of technical difficulties and all that kind of stuff , but it still worked . It still was good .
Speaker 1I don't know that it's the same thing for a Lincoln Day . Yeah , I mean , do you really want political candidates to come on and give their political answers to things I mean .
Speaker 2I love politics and I don't want to hear that .
Speaker 1I know I can just feel it .
Speaker 2I can feel like the vomit in the back of my throat . No , these people . I understand .
Speaker 1You give them the mic and they don't let go of it .
Speaker 2No these people are nice people . They're all good people , you know some of them .
Speaker 1anyway , they've all got an election to win .
Speaker 2They all do and and , and I don't feel like our viewers are going to help them . Honestly , that much really do you think ? Probably not . I mean , a lot of folks are already probably conservative republican that are listening to us and I know this has gone on long , but I don't care . Um , so but , but if you think that's something you want to , would want to do , let me know the other thing we could do , jimmy , we could do where we , we set up our equipment and we did a few interviews , not necessarily campaign stumps or whatever like that , but but interviews with , I mean , we're going to have , you know , state senators there . We're going to have , uh , future congressmen there , maybe you know , and just anything that's interesting , and then piece it together afterwards , yeah , and kind of add it into a podcast or just put it out there .
Speaker 1You know what would be kind of cool . Yeah , I just thought about this . What if we had a list of like six questions and they're kind of like off the ?
Speaker 2wall and you did it for everybody .
Speaker 1Like what's your favorite ice cream type ? Okay .
Speaker 2Like little pilly stuff like that . Yeah .
Speaker 1But just get to know people more . Maybe not , no , I don't know , I don't know that's probably a good idea . Yeah , I mean most influential person in your life . That's kind of a good one . It's interesting to hear about .
Speaker 2Keep it less than 30 seconds , and if any of them don't say Jesus , then we just don't vote for them .
Speaker 1Yeah , we'll actually just cut them . Yeah , yes , but anyway , I mean , just that might be something interesting just to get . Maybe . I don't know , these political figures sometimes just seem like a you know , yeah , anyway .
Speaker 2Well , anyway , folks , I think we're going to try and wrap up , so please send us an email or a comment or , you know , find some way to . Actually , we do have a way to get a hold of us , so you want to .
Speaker 1Yeah , themcsquaredpodcast at gmailcom , the T-H-E , not E-E themcsquaredpodcast at gmailcom is the best way you also can hit us on On YouTube is actually a good area to do If you want to put a comment it goes to both of us also . So that's yeah , youtube comments are good . Uh , is there any way to direct message ? Um , we don't have an instagram account .
Speaker 2Yeah , so we are on instagram you can direct message instagram also . Yeah , yeah , yeah . So , uh , you could also , you know , contact me on x or at facebook or uh , the email I'll send out after this with the connections and all that sort of stuff .
Speaker 1Yeah , that'll be good . Well , I had a good time . This is a good one . I think we got a lot of stuff done . Yeah , I probably made some people mad .
Speaker 2I don't really care yeah you probably made me mad . Did I make you mad ?
Speaker 1No , it's okay , I just yeah .
Speaker 2Well , folks , we really appreciate you watching and listening to us . We hope at least you've been entertained , maybe informed , maybe provoked a little bit , and it's not a bad thing . Sometimes you get settled into complacency . There you go , jimmy . It's been a real blast having this conversation . Yeah , it has been , and we don't want to move . We don't want to close without also saying that we are keeping the folks of Florida who are undergoing a hurricane as we speak , and our thoughts and prayers . We're praying that the damage is limited and folks , people's lives are spared .
Speaker 1That's right .
Speaker 2It's really a serious concern . We're meant to open the show in it , actually , but we did pray about that before we went live .
Speaker 1Yeah , that's for sure well , you want to close us out ? Yeah , thanks for being with us . Uh , make sure you like subscribe .