Prepare to peer into the shadows of the seemingly mundane as we unveil the disturbing phenomenon of 'frogging'—the act of secretly living in someone else's home. In an episode that's as fascinating as it is spine-chilling, we swap tales of unwanted houseguests, from a South Korean teacher's shocking discovery beneath her bed to the eerie attic dweller in Tracy's home. And it's not just the average Joe who's at risk; we also recount the startling intrusions experienced by celebrities like Pamela Anderson and George Michael. By the end of our journey, the creak you hear at night may no longer seem quite so innocent.
As we navigate through these true stories, adorned with the occasional light-hearted banter and nuggets of practical safety tips, the conversation takes a darker turn with the infamous Denver Spider-Man case, a stark reminder of the grim potential these scenarios hold. We don't just swap horror stories; we foster a discussion on personal security and the unnerving psychological toll of home invasions. Strikingly, these events seem all the more surprising against the backdrop of the UK's typical architecture, prompting us to ponder the cultural differences in the prevalence of 'frogging'. So, lock your doors, check your closets, and brace yourself for a discussion that might just redefine what goes bump in the night.
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Prepare to peer into the shadows of the seemingly mundane as we unveil the disturbing phenomenon of 'frogging'—the act of secretly living in someone else's home. In an episode that's as fascinating as it is spine-chilling, we swap tales of unwanted houseguests, from a South Korean teacher's shocking discovery beneath her bed to the eerie attic dweller in Tracy's home. And it's not just the average Joe who's at risk; we also recount the startling intrusions experienced by celebrities like Pamela Anderson and George Michael. By the end of our journey, the creak you hear at night may no longer seem quite so innocent.
As we navigate through these true stories, adorned with the occasional light-hearted banter and nuggets of practical safety tips, the conversation takes a darker turn with the infamous Denver Spider-Man case, a stark reminder of the grim potential these scenarios hold. We don't just swap horror stories; we foster a discussion on personal security and the unnerving psychological toll of home invasions. Strikingly, these events seem all the more surprising against the backdrop of the UK's typical architecture, prompting us to ponder the cultural differences in the prevalence of 'frogging'. So, lock your doors, check your closets, and brace yourself for a discussion that might just redefine what goes bump in the night.
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Speaker 1:
Hello again. Hi Gosh, do you see my fresh new do? Yeah, nice, love a fresh do, nice and fresh, so fresh. Right, I've got to tell you about this book that I'm reading. Okay, josie bought me some books for Christmas because I love to read, and it's by Lucinda Berry Phantom.
Speaker 2:
Lim.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
It's fantastic, is it Is it a book that puppy should read.
Speaker 1:
No, no, bless her. No, it's by. So Lucinda Berry, who is the author, is a trauma psychologist and leading researcher in childhood trauma, and then she writes fiction based on the things that she's experienced, so kind of like a true story, but kind of not. And I'm about it. It's just really good and I can't seem to put it down. It's great. So if we could hurry up and get this done so I can continue reading, all right. Today's episode.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, Morning morning.
Speaker 1:
Good morning and good morning blammers Morning blammers.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, random blams Go.
Speaker 1:
Right, I've just typed in random facts on a frog in and I've got a load of frog facts, oh okay.
Speaker 2:
Well, you can do a frog fact, that's fine. What do you want? What about those? My random blam is going to be specifically about this, and it's the definition of frogging. Frogging is spelt with P-H instead of a.
Speaker 1:
F. That's what I've just come up against.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, it looks like prohogging, and it's called frogging because it's when someone secretly lives in another person's home without their knowledge, and the name comes from the idea of leapfrog, so it's like the intruder leaps from pad to pad, oh, okay. House to house, yeah, and lives in someone's basement, attic or crawl space.
Speaker 1:
Okay, well, I've just found one actually that's really interesting and it says frogging is a rare phenomenon, especially in the UK. That said, cases have been known on these shores, and none other than Pop Icon, george Michael, once fell foul of a hyder in his house. Oh yeah, so George Michael's been susceptible to frogging. I've got a, so probably dogging way.
Speaker 2:
Maybe One of my frogging stories is about a celebrity. Is it really Okay? It is. It's not George Michael.
Speaker 1:
Cool Well that was a nice quick random blam yeah.
Speaker 2:
So that's random blams done. Done, got creepy one today. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1:
You know it's all about for frogging and not the crochet type of frogging and also not dogging.
Speaker 2:
No, it's not. It's not disgusting, it's not disgusting. Okay, so I am going to start with the story because I did. If you remember, I did two stories at the beginning of the week and one was true and one was fake. Yes, the one that was true was about the man that was under the bed with the teacher and the student and he slept on her floor and saw someone under the bed. So this is the. This is the true version of that story, but they have also changed the names because they didn't want to obviously give out someone's personal details. So this is coming from a friend and she says this happened to a friend of mine. She told me about it a year or so ago and, for the sake of the story, we will call her Minji, right, and I was also going to change that name because I felt that I couldn't seriously keep saying Minji, minji, but I'm just going to go with it. Yeah, so Minji is in her late twenties. She works as an English tutor in South Korea.
Speaker 2:
One evening a few years ago, she was tutoring a high school boy and they were up studying pretty late. As it was late, the buses had stopped running, going a long way from his house. The boy asked if he could crash on her floor overnight to get the first bus the following morning. Minji was reluctant because inviting a teenage male student to stay the night didn't sound like a great idea. But he was sort of begging her and she eventually relented. They went back to her one room apartment and she got into bed and he laid a blanket out on the floor and they both fell asleep.
Speaker 2:
A few hours later, maybe around 2am, the boy wakes Minji up, saying I'm really, really hungry, let's go and get some food. Minji opens her eyes and looks at him with disbelief and she's like food now, at like two o'clock in the morning. And she says to him it's 2am, just go back to sleep. We'll go and grab something in the morning before the first bus. But the student absolutely insists no, no, no, I'm hungry, let's go now and get something to eat. So to try and placate him, she says listen, there's some ramen noodles in the fridge, in the kitchen. Help yourself, knock yourself out. He's like no, no, no, no, I don't want ramen. There's a 24 hour place just down the road, let's go there. Eventually, after several minutes of persuasion, the boy gets Minji to come, to come with him out to the restaurant. They leave the apartment and as soon as they're out on the street he turns to Minji and says I'm not hungry. I woke up in the middle of the night. I looked under your bed and there's a man fast asleep there. Obviously, minji's freaked out. They call the police and discover that he's a homeless man that's been living in Minji's apartment sleeping under under her bed for over two months. The boy only saw him because he was laying on the floor and he had a clear view under under her bed.
Speaker 2:
So that's the original story of the story I told in this week's episode. Now I've got some other stories about frogging and there's a lot. This is like everywhere, it seems, oh my gosh. So this is the case of Daniel LaPlante. So there was a lady called well, a teenager called Tina Bowen, and she was from PEPERAL in Massachusetts. She was a teenager at the time of this incident. She was convinced that the spirit of her deceased mother was speaking to her through the walls of her home. For weeks she received cryptic messages scribbled on the walls and they'd be written on the walls in like ketchup and things. Whatever was laying around Items would mysteriously rearrange themselves around the house Full bottles of alcohol would suddenly be completely emptied. I mean, I know how that happens.
Speaker 2:
Then, on December 8th 1986, bowen and her father returned home to find a terrifying site a stranger in one of their closets with a painted face, a Native American style jacket, a ninja mask and a hatchet in the other hand. He forced the Bowens into a bedroom before running off into another part of the house. Tina used this opportunity to escape and call the police. The police arrived and found the stranger was a teenager called Daniel LaPlante, whom Tina had actually briefly dated sometime before. He had been living in the family's crawl space for several weeks, taunting them all the while.
Speaker 2:
Unfortunately, the creepy story doesn't end here, though. Laplante got out on bail after this incident huge mistake and sadly he brutally murdered a young teenager and her two children. At this point I'm going to say some of these stories are listener discretion advised, because the particular that I'm about to tell you is upsetting and potentially traumatic to people I'm going to talk about, like there's some rape involved and there's also the murder of children. He was caught off guard on December 1st when Priscilla Gustafson and her children came home early. Laplante later said that he had considered jumping out the window and escaping, but at the last minute he opted to confront Priscilla and he aimed a gun at her, led her and her five-year-old son, william, into a bedroom.
Speaker 2:
He then forced William into a closet and tied Priscilla to the bed. He also gagged her with a sock. He raped Priscilla and shot her twice in the head. Afterwards he took William into the bathroom and drowned him Just when he was leaving. Unfortunately, a seven-year-old, abigail Gustafson, returned home and he also took her into a different bathroom and he drowned her as well. Laplante was easily linked to the crime scene and subsequently he was arrested. Two days later and during his trial in October 1988, a jury found him guilty of murder and he was sentenced to three life sentences. That was a particularly horrible ending to that.
Speaker 1:
Was he living in her house when he said that she confronted him or? He returned home, he was living in their house.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, no, he was in there and just creeping around and eating food out of their fridge and things like that. I don't think he was necessarily living in there like 24-7, but I think he worked out when or it seems in the when they were out. From what I've read, it seems like he would wait until they were out and then he'd go in and he'd feed himself and go through the fridge, go through the cupboards and things like that. But unfortunately he got spooked when she suddenly arrived home. The next story is a Honolulu horror, and this is September 20th 2019.
Speaker 2:
So very recent, brittany and James Campbell returned home in Honolulu with their two young sons. They saw a bike sitting outside their house and immediately got suspicious. James, who was 36 at the time and a member of the US Navy, went to open the front door of the home, only to find a stranger was on the other side, forcefully pulling the door closed on him, like he was like, oh, I'll just open the door, and he was like nope, pulling it shut. James managed to get the man, who was 23 year old Ezekiel Zeis, out of the house by literally just shouting at him Get out of the house, go, go, go. The police soon arrived, but after Zeis was arrested, the Campbells realized the true extent of the destruction that he'd caused, and this is a quote from James "'Everything was torn apart. Things were put out on display and kind of organized but chaotic at the same time". End quote. The Campbells also discovered disturbing messages from Ezekiel On the family's computers and counters. The Campbells discovered a series of terrifying notes from Zeis. The notes mentioned bizarre surgeries and a desire to turn the family from omnivores into Ezekiels. Oh, I know it's a bit creepy. Brittany said, quote "'It was strange. He wrote about wanting to perform strange surgeries on us and transform us and stuff like that". End quote. Frighteningly, when the couples checked their bedroom, they found knives scattered all throughout the bedroom. They even discovered diary entries that had been written by Zeis about the family, as if he'd been watching them for a while before even secretly moving in. Brittany said he violated our family and he violated our home. Zeis would eventually plead guilty to first degree burglary in 2023, part of a plea deal. Oh my God, it's recent, really recent and this was part of a plea deal that involved pleading guilty to a number of other crimes, most serious of which was killing a fellow inmate in the facility that he was being held while awaiting the burglary trial. Oh dear I know, because Zeis agreed to the plea deal. The maximum amount of time that he spent in prison was 20 years, so he is in prison now, yes.
Speaker 2:
Next story is Pamela Anderson and the Frogger. Oh, okay, sounds like an episode of the Muppets or something, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah, a little bit, it's not so. Actress and model Pamela Anderson of Baywatch, as some of you might remember, was certainly no stranger to being the object of many people's desires, but one fan took it to a disturbing level in 2001. When she moved into Anderson's Malibu guest house without the star's knowledge and unfortunately, she wore Pam's iconic red swimsuit.
Speaker 2:
So, Anderson was at the height of her Baywatch fame and she suddenly noticed, whilst looking out the window one day, a unfamiliar face in the window of her guest house, which she thought had been completely unoccupied. So in my head I'm imagining her looking out there with an Essex accent going what's that about? I can see a face down there. Get out of my gaff. There ain't no one in my gaff. Get out of my pub. Get out of my pub. But I don't think she did. But yeah, so there she was, a homeless woman living in Anderson's residence and wearing one of her red swimsuits. Quote from Pamela. She had a letter that said I'm not a lesbian, I just wanna touch you.
Speaker 1:
Same beds, same Same beds.
Speaker 2:
She said that Pamela Anderson said that she got my bathing suit out of my room not even the room where this in the guest house where this woman was have her personal room. At some point she'd been in my main house, she'd gone into my bedroom and she'd got this red Baywatch swimsuit out and she said to think that I was all alone in that house with two babies. And then I remember seeing a face at the window. It was honestly the scariest thing that you can think of. Anderson called her security, but they were unable to find any frogs Over three or four days. The woman then lived undetected in Anderson's main home. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:
So she moved from the guest house? Yeah, she got too many bedrooms.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, she was like they're watching the guest house, so I'll just move into the main house and then I might be happy to touch her.
Speaker 1:
But I'm not lesbian.
Speaker 2:
She's not lesbian, she just wants to touch her. But she moved into her main home. She was stealing her food, moving her stuff, things like that. Eventually the police came and found the homeless woman that was frogging and arrested her. They also managed to recover the swimsuit that she'd stolen, but Pamela Anderson told the police to keep it. She said after that she stored the remaining swimsuit that she had from Baywatch in a locked safe.
Speaker 1:
Jesus Christ, just in case it happened again.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I mean. The thing is we tell this story and even when I was reading it I was thinking you know, that must be the sort of thing that happens to celebrities, and people break in and go for like the most iconic thing. And when she saw a red bathing suit she must have thought, oh, that's amazing. You know this has actually been on the telly and you know she's worn this.
Speaker 2:
She's white, as touched her skin and that kind of thing. But it could so easily have gone like taking a dark turn, couldn't it? Oh, absolutely, yeah, you know. I mean, you're asleep in your house. You're completely vulnerable If someone walks up to you and decides that they've got ill intent, nothing you can do about it, yeah, next froggy story is called a frog in a North Carolina dorm room Maddie. I'm not talking to our Maddie, but sorry, maddie, but there is someone else in the world with the name Maddie and she was at the mercy of a frogger. So Maddie was a student in North Carolina. She thought that all the strange things that she was experiencing was actually something paranormal. She heard strange noises, she was having items of clothing that were going missing and she would find unexplained hand prints everywhere and think what the hell?
Speaker 1:
So that's what is then. All these stories are paranormal. Where they like will explain that.
Speaker 2:
Froggers, froggers, yep, see our frogs. Then, in 2019, she was living in apartments not far from the University of North Carolina at Greensboro. Maddie said quote I've been having like pieces of clothes missing, like shirts and pants, like end quote. It turned out that there was nothing paranormal about Maddie's experience, but the truth was far worse. There was a 30 year old man named Andrew Swarford secretly hiding in her closet, and that's worse. That is worse. I'd rather have someone in a guest house or something like that, or even in the crawl space, but the fact that there's someone actually in your closet, or as we would call it, in your wardrobe, in your wardrobe, in your wardrobe Were you dressing again? For me, that's worse, because it's like it's right in your bedroom. It's always the door that you're most scared of Any wardrobe door. You're far more scared of a wardrobe door than you are the actual door to your bedroom.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, that's true, which is I've chosen to close all of our wardrobe doors because they're slidey ones, aren't they? Even if it's open and I need to go up and close them. But the bedroom door can be as open as it likes.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, see, it's bizarre, isn't it? If you've got slidey wardrobe doors, get a piece of wood like a cut off broom handle or something like that and put it in the recess of it so that you can't open it. I used to do that with my patio doors. I used to have slide in patio doors and I always had a metal bar that dropped down into the recess of where it slides. So even if you broke the lock, you couldn't actually slide it. There you go. Handy tip for our little blammers.
Speaker 1:
I just think if there's a guy that's going to come into our house, he's not going to hide in our wardrobes.
Speaker 2:
Maybe not. Maddie might have said that she might have gone. If someone's going to break in, they're not going to go in my wardrobe, am I? How are they? They did, Anyway, so yeah. So there was a 30 year old man named Andrew Swarford secretly hiding in a wardrobe Quote from Maddie. I hear a rattling in my. It sounded like a raccoon or something. I'm like who's there? I don't know why. If she thought it was a raccoon, the raccoon's going to go. Oh, it's me.
Speaker 1:
It's me.
Speaker 2:
Just a raccoon. But anyway, she said I'm like who's there? And the raccoon was like and someone answered her and he's like oh, my name's Drew. From inside her wardrobe.
Speaker 1:
That's hilarious. So this is why you know, when we said the other day you're just too scared to look yeah, I'd be too scared to be like who's there?
Speaker 2:
Maddie wasn't. Maddie was proper, like she was proper, having it. She was like no, drake, drew in my wardrobe, get out of it, drew. Who? Yeah, drew, get out, drew. So anyway, she opened the door and she said I opened the door and he's like in there, and this is killing me, and not only that, he's wearing all my clothes. She didn't say it with an S6 accent, but it's how I picture it. He was wearing my socks, my shoes, and he had a full book bag full of my clothes. Jesus Christ, end quote. It's a terrifying situation for any person, but especially for such a young college student. It must have been absolutely terrifying. So, anyway, maddie called her boyfriend, but she managed to kind of keep Swarford talking to like distract him, and he obviously felt quite comfortable, like I mean, I'm guessing that he knew her better than she knew him.
Speaker 2:
So he felt a little bit comfortable. I've watched you sleep. I know who you are. Yeah, I've seen you have been dreams and that old. That other night, when you got up and went to the bathroom, that was hilarious. She was like what. While she waited, he tried on like other items of her clothing. He put a hat on, checked himself out in the mirror, all of this and at one point he actually complimented Maddie on her looks and asked if he could have a hug.
Speaker 1:
Nah, not today Drew.
Speaker 2:
Maddie said he never touched me. So I'm guessing that Maddie was like nah, mate, don't think so. Anyway, so obviously Maddie had called her boyfriend and all that. So the fact that the boyfriend was quickly arrested, but Maddie and the police were unsure of how he got inside her apartment in the first place. Furthermore, it wasn't the first time that Maddie and her friends had found strange men in their apartments, because just two months earlier, when they came home, they found two strangers sitting in their living room. Oh my goodness, change your locks, man. Funny, you should say that because after that incident in the living room with the two strangers, their leasing office had actually come in and changed every lock. But apparently this did nothing to stop Swofford from moving in. But anyway, he was arrested, taken away.
Speaker 2:
Maddie, as far as I know, is still healthy and without frogs. This next one is called a breakup gone horribly wrong. So the end of a relationship is never easy, but Tracy learned just how difficult it could be when she found her ex living in her attic. And it's even more bizarre because they broke up 12 years before. Oh, that's a bit much, I know right. In 2012, tracy, a single mother of five, began hearing banging noises coming from her attic and assumed that some kind of wildlife, wild animal, something, had crawled in, and the only other option for her was that her house was potentially haunted. Her sons and her nephew decided to go up into the attic to check and, to their horror, they found a 44 year old male up there fast asleep. Tracy said that she last saw her ex a year prior when he came round to do some odd jobs for her.
Speaker 1:
Did he come round? And he just come down.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, she never saw him arrive.
Speaker 1:
I'll be there in five minutes.
Speaker 2:
I'll be there in 35 seconds. What? Shortly after, he went to prison for robbery, which included a charge of stealing Tracy's truck. So that's nice. He also had quite a heavy drug addiction. So, despite receiving letters from him while he was behind bars, tracy made it clear that she was not interested in rekindling their old relationship. Yet two weeks after he was released from prison, he apparently made his way straight to Tracy's attic and holed up in there. Tracy described having an uneasy feeling on the night of the frog discovery, a feeling that was confirmed when she heard a loud thump in the attic and noticed that things were actually starting to come loose from the ceiling. Oh Jesus Christ, if that is some sort of wild animal, then it must be some sort of warthog, because it's knocking everything off the ceiling.
Speaker 1:
Is that what she decided?
Speaker 2:
Well, no, that's what I think she decided. Oh, okay, quote from Tracy. Then at one point all the nails just started popping out of the ceiling over my bed like bing, bing, bing, all popping out and to be honest, I thought it was some sort of poltergeist. That's what she thought.
Speaker 1:
Well, you certainly wouldn't think it was your ex-husband.
Speaker 2:
You wouldn't, would you? No, before the police arrived, her ex had legged it out of the house, and when police investigated the scene, they found cups filled with feces and urine all throughout the attic, and more frightening was the fact that the only entrance to that attic was in the hallway that connected Tracy's two children's bedrooms.
Speaker 1:
Were her two children the dads, the husbands.
Speaker 2:
I don't know if it was her husband, it just said ex-partner, so I don't know. But she had five children, so maybe some of them were.
Speaker 1:
Maybe that doesn't make it any better, but still.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, weird. And the last story is Denver's Spider-Man's deadly frogging.
Speaker 1:
Right.
Speaker 2:
Before the creation of the crime-fighting Spider-Man, there was a very real Denver Spider-Man, but for a different reason. The Denver Spider-Man was far from a superhero counterpart. In fact, he was a killer. The grizzly murder took place on October 17, 1941. Philip Peters, a retiree of the Denver and Rio Grand Western Railroad, was home alone. His children had grown up and moved out, and his wife Helen was recovering in a local hospital after breaking her hip during a fall. Peters got home that night to find a skinny, dishevelled man raiding his fridge. I'd be so pissed off I'd be like anything but the fridge.
Speaker 1:
Raid my nicot drawer.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, take all my underwear, It'd be like no thanks. The two got into a fight and sadly ended with the intruder beating Peters to death with a cast iron stove shaker. And I've looked up what a stove shaker is and it appears to be a large iron handle, so it's basically something that you would connect to a fire and shake the grate of it. An hour later, peters' neighbour found his body and called the police, but the police could find no sign of where the frog slash murderer had gone. The investigation began and Helen was released from hospital, now a widow living alone in the same home where her husband had just been brutally murdered.
Speaker 2:
Soon, helen began to experience strange things missing food, strange sounds, items not being where she'd last left them, and she became convinced that her house was haunted. She never thought for a second that there would be the murderer hiding out in her house. After some time she moved to Grand Junction to live with her son and their house stood vacant. But her neighbours kept reporting strange sounds and foul smells coming from the house. Every time the police went round, they found absolutely nothing. Then one night in July 1942, detectives Roy Bloxham and Bill Jackson staked out the house and then they saw a man in the house and they thought go, go, go and they went inside. By the time they got there and they got into the house, the man was gone, or so they thought. They heard a noise coming from the attic and the entrance to the attic was in a closet upstairs. What they saw when they went to the closet where the entrance was was two legs hanging out of the hole disappearing up into the hole in the ceiling.
Speaker 2:
So obviously they grabbed hold of the legs and pulled.
Speaker 1:
Come back here.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, it was just a pair of legs. It was just a pair of legs. Well, fortunately the legs then revealed a full body, and that body belonged to Theodore Coney's. Authorities later learned that Theodore had met Peters through the Denver Guitar Club, and when Theodore fell on hard times he went to Philip and asked him for help, only to find that the house was empty, and that's when he decided to break in and start stealing food. A few days later he did the same thing, but obviously Philip came home and found him raiding his fridge. Theodore claimed that it was a split second decision to kill Philip, and as soon as he did he decided to make a nest, which is his word, not mine made a nest of sorts in the cramped attic. One officer went up to check the space and he said that the smell was so foul and so disgusting that he vomited on the spot there. He said a man would have to be some sort of spider to stand living up there for any length of time.
Speaker 1:
Why a spider?
Speaker 2:
Because they live in small spaces in the attic, I guess, but this is what brought on the term the Denver Spider-Man. So Theodore was ultimately convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. The end. There are loads and loads more frogging stories.
Speaker 2:
That's horrifying, that there's loads I know it is, and these were just a small handful. A lot of them end in people being attacked, people being murdered. It's horrible. I would say I'm surprised that there's a lot in the UK, because most UK houses don't have things like crawl spaces. If we have basements, my house has got an attic and a basement, but my basement is very small. It's always full of dirty washing so no one's going to want that it's an attic. Well, I suppose you could live in Erratic, to be fair, because we've got several different hatches to Erratic.
Speaker 1:
Oh really. Yeah, we haven't and ours. We don't have a basement. Like I say, basements are incredibly rare in the UK house.
Speaker 2:
They are yeah.
Speaker 1:
And the lofts are generally not boarded so you can't stay up there you'd fall through the ceiling.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I honestly think if someone went up into Erratic like you would hear them. And also, I think it changes with, like, the introduction of like ring cameras and things like that.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:
Because not only have we got ring cameras all the way around the outside, we've also got cameras that go all the way through, like inside our house. Yeah, you know, we've got the front hallways got a camera. The hallway outside of my office has got a camera. We've got a camera in the lounge that covers the lounge doors. We've got camera at the back door. So we've got cameras like everywhere. So if there was any movement in the night, we're notified of it straight away. And if there's one thing that I do know, it's what food we've got in the house at all times. I keep a close monitor on that, yeah.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I don't know, I've got a couch. Yeah, everything, yeah, oh, what do you think? Do you think? What do you think Like? What do you think of the whole idea of frogging?
Speaker 1:
Well, I think that people aren't just sleeping there because they've not got a place to sleep. I think they're sleeping there for some nefarious reason that, like you say, most of them end in some sort of criminal activity, murder or assault or something. And I think generally, that is the purpose. I think it's kind of almost a bit like stalking on a different level. Yeah. They're obsessed with that person. That's why they want their clothes, or they want their bathing suit, or they want to be near them there.
Speaker 2:
That's a form of stalking. So I think there's also a side of frogging where people do it for like the thrill of it. Do you know what?
Speaker 1:
I mean.
Speaker 2:
There's no sinister sort of thought behind it. I think it's just that whole feeling of like you know that you're in someone's house and they're home and you're like oh, my God. No, it wouldn't be a thrill for me, it's terrifying that they'd come home. Yeah, I'm not that sort of person. No, it's not for me. I'm definitely not a frogger, and Claire is far too clumsy to be.
Speaker 2:
Far too heavy for it. Yeah, she'd be kicking things over, she'd be bursting her foot through their ceilings and yeah, no, it's not for us. No, not for us. I'd like to hear if any of our blammers have got any other frogging stories. Yeah, that would be cool.
Speaker 1:
Whack it over. Whack it over, indeed, yeah.
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