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Episode #8 – N. Lawrence Mann, Author of Coma Dreams (The Blue Warp series)
November 18, 2018 Paul Stretton-Stephens

In this, episode #8 on The Crime Fiction Lounge Podcast, Paul talks with American Author N. Lawrence Mann about his latest suspense novel, Coma Dreams.

Nelson’s works are largely described as suspenseful, but frequently incorporate components of fantasy, science fiction, and humour.

Interestingly Nelson injects realism into his work themed with elements of self-destruction and addiction, the world with which he is familiar after struggling for several years with his own demons. In the interview, Nelson is refreshingly open, honest, and he says that his books are a means of an apology to those that he has hurt over the years. 

Nelson’s first novel, Full Breach, was the first nail-biting thriller in The Blue Warp series, released in 2017. Drawing on America's love affair with thriller and suspense novels, Full Breach delves into the pathology of our innate nature. 

A native of Michigan, Nelson was born in Detroit and spent his formative years in Kalamazoo. Years later, his family moved to Phoenix Arizona where he attended high school. He’s now settled in the Greater Boston area of the USA with his family.

In this, episode #8 on The Crime Fiction Lounge Podcast, Paul talks with American Author N. Lawrence Mann about his latest suspense novel, Coma Dreams.

Nelson’s works are largely described as suspenseful, but frequently incorporate components of fantasy, science fiction, and humour.

Interestingly Nelson injects realism into his work themed with elements of self-destruction and addiction, the world with which he is familiar after struggling for several years with his own demons. In the interview, Nelson is refreshingly open, honest, and he says that his books are a means of an apology to those that he has hurt over the years. 

Nelson’s first novel, Full Breach, was the first nail-biting thriller in The Blue Warp series, released in 2017. Drawing on America's love affair with thriller and suspense novels, Full Breach delves into the pathology of our innate nature. 

A native of Michigan, Nelson was born in Detroit and spent his formative years in Kalamazoo. Years later, his family moved to Phoenix Arizona where he attended high school. He’s now settled in the Greater Boston area of the USA with his family.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1:0:00Welcome to the crime fiction lounge. You're listening to episode eight with Lawrence Man, author of coma dreams. The second book in the Blue Warp series.

Speaker 2:0:11Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you the crime fiction lounge, the place for crime fiction levers. Relax and unwind. You listened to some of your favorite crime fiction thriller authors, and here's your host, Paul Stretton Stevens.

Speaker 1:0:37In this episode eight, I'm a crime fiction lounge podcast. I taught with American author and Lawrence man about his lacy, a suspense novel, Como Dreams. Now, Nelson's work so largely described your suspenseful but frequent incorporate components of fantasy science fiction and humor, and you'll find out why soon. Interestingly, Nelson also injects real, is meant to his work scene was elements of self disruption and addiction, the world with which he is familiar after struggling for several years with his own demons. In fact, in the interview, Nelson is refreshingly open, honest, and he says that his booked from means they wouldn't. Apology to those of us heard over the years. Nelson's first novel for breach was the first nail biting thriller in the Blue Warp series released in 2017. The novel draws on America's love affair with thriller and Suspense Novels. Full reach delves into the pathology of our innate nature of native of Michigan. Nelson was born in Detroit and spent his formative years in Kalamazoo. Years later, his family moved to Phoenix, Arizona, where he attended high school. He's now a settled in the Greater Boston area of the USA with his family. Sit back, relax and enjoy the interview. Hi Nelson. Welcome to the crime fiction lounge. How are you today?

Speaker 3:1:55Pretty good. How are you doing today?

Speaker 1:1:56Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. Thanks for. Thanks for being here.

Speaker 3:1:59Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1:2:00You're welcome. You're welcome. Can you, um, can you tell our listeners a little bit about yourself?

Speaker 3:2:06Sure. I, I write under end Lawrence, man. And uh, I just finished my second novel. The series is called Blue Warp series and the first book was called full breach and the new one's called Coleman dreams. So I'm an indie author and I, my day job, I'm a project manager for a real estate company and it's really boring. But, uh, I, uh, much a I, I like to do the, uh, the writing thing as well, so that's what I will be focusing on.

Speaker 1:2:45Okay. Okay. I believe you've got a bit of a songwriting background as well.

Speaker 3:2:50Oh yeah. Yeah. Uh, let's see. I used to write songs back in the mid nineties too, about, uh, early two thousands, uh, my head, my one bedroom apartment transformed into a recording studio where the bed was once the bedroom is the, the council room council. And uh, the, uh, the, the living area had turned into a, a sound booth. Very much so. I did that for many years. I wrote, um, independent film soundtracks, so I did that for awhile and, uh, so yeah, so it was a songwriting before I was writing, writing.

Speaker 1:3:36And did that help you with your novel writing or was it a hindrance?

Speaker 3:3:40Uh, no, it's actually, it helps. Uh, I, I just, to me it's very, there's a lot of similarities between songwriting and a novel writing. Scott, you're, you're doing the same thing or you're telling a story. Um, you know, you're, you're shortening it to three and a half minutes with a song, but it's a, it's basically the same if you write an outline that would be your, your basic rhythm or your, your, your, uh, your temple, your beat 'em you add some guitars, uh, that, that would be your, your character's a baseline would be, um, you know, the theme I guess, of the story and the sound effects would be subplots and twists and things like that. So I just kind of all, it's all a matter of tempo and timing and storytelling at the same time. So it actually helped me. All the songwriting helped me write the first novel and I believe it probably, I'm not sure I could have done it as easily if it wasn't for the songwriting background. So it's just a different way that I look at it, but it helps me, you know,

Speaker 1:4:53that sounds really interesting. I've never heard it described that way.

Speaker 3:4:56Yeah. Yeah. I think. And you could probably apply that to all the arts really like painting. Same thing if you start out with your outline, your sketch, we fill in the colors, add effects you and it's all, it's kind of all interconnected. So that's the.

Speaker 1:5:15And you still songwriting now you're doing one now or.

Speaker 3:5:18Well, I had to sell all my recording gear a long time ago, which is the good thing about writing novels is you just, you all, you need your laptop as much more mobile, you know, you don't have to have your, your monitor speakers in your compressor and your limiters and your sound Effects Board and you're mixing board and everything, you know, you can. Anything you create is right at the tips of your fingers. So, um, that part of the songwriting part would be really tough to, to swing a these days because I have a little two year old and it's, I can't even, it's hard to find time enough to write, let alone song, right? Because they're both very, very time intensive. So I'm doing both. I don't think I'd have time to do that. Fit It in this lifetime anyway.

Speaker 1:6:06No, no. I'm with a two year old around them as well. I understand that, I remember it well. Having said that, now got two year old is around as well. And you're writing annual project manager. Do you have any spare time? Do you know anything in your spare time?

Speaker 3:6:21Uh, no. It really, uh, my wife and I watch a lot of like home improvement shows in our spare time. Uh, but that's not really spare time, you know, that's just like little bits of time you have in between with babies doing that. Maybe we squeezing in a little bit, but pretty much there's not a lot, a lot of spare time. Um, and we're expecting another one, so I don't expect that to change anytime soon. So I'm doing my best to try to try to write a third, uh, the it has been outlined, but it's a trend that's going to be a challenge.

Speaker 1:7:00Oh, well, cool. Well congratulations on the next one coming along. Oh, thank you very much. Obviously I'm going to time for volunteering or community activities, but I did read in the briefs that you did record audio textbooks for blind students.

Speaker 3:7:15Yes, I did, uh, back when I lived in La. Um, let's see, I grew up in, born and raised in Michigan and uh, moved to Arizona for a very long time. And then, uh, I've moved, I lived in La at two different times in my life. Uh, so last time I was out there I did do volunteer at learning ally, uh, reading, doing audio books, recording textbooks for blind students.

Speaker 1:7:43Yeah, good job. No. Was very rewarding, really rewarding. Oh, well done. Well done. Okay. Let's talk about your writing. I mean, when, when did, when did you first start to write your first novel?

Speaker 3:7:55Uh, yeah, I think it was around 2014. It was just something that was on my bucket list and something that I've always wanted to do. I think I was hitting 44, 43 years old and you know, I always pictured myself retiring and settling down and write a novel. So I just sped it up a little bit and started, started a little earlier, just decided it was time. Um, I had a good story, a lot of good life experiences. I can a meticulate into the stories. And, uh, I just started, started on chapter one and then see, my mom got sick, she had cancer, so I was really, really trying to push to finish the book before she passed. Um, and, you know, that helped me get through the first book anyway. And uh, uh, that's Kinda what, what did it. I and I had a lot of things I wanted to apologize to my mom about and I did it through the story, so I was really trying to, to get that out before, before she left. And uh, you know, so that's kind of what started the, uh, or realizing the novel writing dream, I guess.

Speaker 1:9:15And why did you decide to write supernatural centers?

Speaker 3:9:20Well, I've always liked the, uh, you know, the unknown and uh, I did like, let's see, I don't read too many offers, but I did read a dean once when I was little and I just, uh, it's a good, a good format to, to you to add reality and things beyond reality, reality without going full fantasy, if that makes any sense.

Speaker 1:9:49Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I know you said that too much, but which is would inspire you.

Speaker 3:9:55Uh, let's see. The main one I guess would be, uh, Alexander do mohs really was the original wheat. We had to read the Count of Monte Cristo in high school, you know, and I didn't, I was like, ah, whatever at the time. But as soon as I get in, I got into it. I've, I've read that book, I don't know how many times now, but just the way I'm do Mohs, used the way he played with perspective, uh, as far as what the reader knows versus what the characters know. So it's always fun when he would write a and be talking to a character or a character would be talking to another character, but we know what the character knows who's talking to the second character, if that makes any sense. And it's not until the next chapter where you learn the perspective of the second character, if that makes any sense. So yeah, just the way he played with perspective was uh, was really interesting to me. And that's something that I incorporate a lot in my writing.

Speaker 1:11:06And where do your ideas come from?

Speaker 3:11:09Uh, I would say a lot of life experiences. Um, you know, the, uh, the book revolves around the addict, uh, the protagonist is an addict and I've got, got a lot of experience with that. So there was a long, long period of my life, a pretty dark period that I'm able to draw from and it helps me to kind of get past that time in my life and put it behind me. It helps me to, um, uh, use it as a form of apology. Like I said, I had a lot of things I had to apologize to my mom for, but also good friends and, and family. And it helps me if it, knowing when they read the story, they can kind of see what I was going through and, and that, that's more profound than, than just the typical apology. You know, it's like you can't apologize enough and it never feel sincere. But here's a book, a few years, 400 pages of, of what I was going through. And, uh, you know, hopefully that, hopefully that helps, um, you know, with the both sides.

Speaker 1:12:29Okay. So what's your, I know you say you outlined, so what, what's your process of writing?

Speaker 3:12:35Uh, use the outline a straight into writing. So I'm the main plot points of each, each section of the outline and you know, I don't want to get it to lock down because a lot of the fun happens kind of as you're writing the outline and figuring out, figuring out how you can combine something from this first section, the middle section and the third section. So I'm just a skeletal outline and then just start filling in, filling it in this writing straight from the outline and filling in all the chapters. Usually I have the chapters, uh, already laid out in front of me. I mean, I, I have how pretty much how the book's going to come together and it's just a matter of filling it in.

Speaker 1:13:23Okay. Okay. Now I want to talk a little bit more about your book in a minute, but firstly I want to ask what's the significance of the series titled The Blue Warp?

Speaker 3:13:32Well, uh, that's a loaded question. You have a blue warp is, you have your two definitions are two basic, uh, our, our best theories is the way the universe works. You have the, a theory of relativity, which is the study of the things very large, and you have quantum mechanics, which is the study of things very small. And the problem is, is when you put those two theories together, they don't get along with each other. They don't agree. So that's always fascinated me that, uh, um, in our best explanation of what's going on doesn't really doesn't work out. And to me that means somewhere someone is wrong or there's just something that we do. There's things about the university. We obviously are well beyond our understanding and you mix that with the fact that human beings are only using a supposedly 10 percent of their brain capacity.

Speaker 3:14:34Uh, it makes for some interesting story. So I, the blue warp is kind of a what, what if and a why not a on a kind of a infant consciousness that we're all connected to, but we haven't yet evolved enough into being able to figure out. So our protagonist is kind of a slip through that crack a little bit and kind of found, found that uh, internet consciousness, so to speak. So the brew water is kind of what he's going through when he feels, when he feels connected here, it's Kinda like a, um, a worm hole kind of situation and he's kind of going through. And the reason it's blue of course is when you're moving towards something at the speed of light, they call it blue shifting. You're, you're seeing things with a blue hue moving away from the speed of light at your red shifting. So obviously you're moving towards some and speed light. So he calls it the blue warp and that's what happens when he takes this drug. He's able to connect with the blue work.

Speaker 1:15:43Okay. Okay. Before we move further into the book, as a series is essential to read your book in order or other stories, standalone.

Speaker 3:15:51Yeah, it really helps. Um, I've started up so you can get through the second one, coalmine dreams and you'll have some questions, but you're not going to be completely just lost, but um, it really helps us just like the game of throne series and the song of ice and fire. And you could jump in. It's the third one, but you're not, it's not going to be quite as profound as an experience experience that you're going to be. Have more questions than answers really. So if you do start with the second one, that's okay because you can go back to the first one.

Speaker 1:16:24Okay. Okay. So just to be clear, those dreams is the second book in the series being full breach, which is the one you've got a massive book award finalist for, wasn't it?

Speaker 3:16:34Yes. Yes. Yeah.

Speaker 1:16:35Okay. Can you, can you tell our listeners a little bit more about coma dreams and I know you've said a few little things, but can you say a little bit more about the story, the plot line?

Speaker 3:16:45Sure. Uh, the, uh, are we have our same protagonist is the first one, Brendan Reynolds. Um, he hears about a colonel, a war hero that is been in a coma for six months and it's just about to be taken off life support. And from the first book he has discovered he has some ability or some type of healing abilities, but he really doesn't have a grip on it, 100 percent, but he wants to be able to do some good in perhaps wake this colonel up from, uh, from his coma. And when he does so, the person who comes out of the coma isn't necessarily the colonel anymore and, uh, it's someone else. And Brendan has to struggle to try to reverse what he's done, uh, before the entity that has been awoken in the kernel, does any more damage because he manages to escape from where he was at any disappears, a causing havoc. And so, um, it's more about figuring out who the colonel was, we don't know much about the colonel in the beginning of the story, but you learn more about him through the story and also who the colonel now is. So you have to figure out, you know, both, uh, figure out a little bit of the past and going a little bit towards the, towards the future. So that's what Brendan has to deal with in the second one. And there's obviously there's other subplots with that. That's, that's the main, the main groove of it.

Speaker 1:18:33What made you choose a retired air force colonel?

Speaker 3:18:37You know, I was trying to, would be a good way to reconnect with my. One of my childhood friends I've known, for instance, I was one and a half, um, you know, doing research on the air force and things like that. I'd be able to contact him and be able to catch up and kind of reconnect. And so I thought he'd be a great, great way. A great guide so to speak, uh, is, is in to the air force and so on and so forth. So that's why I started, uh, I couldn't, I could never get ahold of him because he's stationed over in a run Stein, so I really couldn't ever get ahold of them. So I had to take other routes to figure out, you know, learn more about the air force and make sure that my terminology's correct and doing the air force, uh, it makes you giving them credit and respect a way as to, you know, the story, make sure I have my facts straight about the air force and things like that. So it was funny, it was, it was all so I could reconnect with, with my friend, but it never really happened. But the colonel remained. Anyway,

Speaker 1:19:42the story, is it contemporary?

Speaker 3:19:46Yeah. Contemporary, uh, you know, anytime in the next, you know, 10 years ago or 10 years from now, you know, any that it would work, um, you know, uh, see it's, a lot of it takes place in Arizona because I always write about kind of where I'm familiar with. So since I spent 20 plus years in Arizona, um, that's a good setting. And Boston where I'm at now, I can write about Boston, so I thought it'd be a great way to, um, to write about both and that sets up a nice cross country trip kind of story, which is kind of what, what it, what it is a, if you think to movies like planes, trains and automobiles and rain man, you know, those are always fun stories where it's, you know, people taking a cross country trip. Um, so, uh, the, I thought that was a good way to use all the different places that I've in buying them.

Speaker 1:20:49Okay. And how do you blend the supernatural elements? Was a mystery plot.

Speaker 3:20:56Uh, well, like I said, it's based on, you know, the were science can't quite go at the moment, you know, trying to figure out why relativity and quantum mechanics don't work. So it's really based in science. Um, you know, it's French, but it's like, what if this is what is going on because there's really no way to prove that it isn't yet. Like, what if the reason that Brendan can connect with this infant infinite consciousness, a consciousness, what if the reason lies, uh, as the same reason why relativity and quantum mechanics don't agree like somewhere, right, right in the middle. Like in the end, I think it's when in black holes where, where it all breaks down. You have relativity yet it goes into a singularity and it just, the math gets all messed up and you know, somewhere in there maybe is the reason why Brendan's able to do this. So it's, it's supernatural, but it's kind of based a, geared it around around science or at least the one place science can't reach yet, you know, so when I, when it's supernatural that a, I tend to think of ghosts and things like that and uh, it seems I'm more, it's more a little more science fictiony as far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 1:22:22Okay. Okay. So which scene did you enjoy writing most?

Speaker 3:22:29Well, I guess I wouldn't go back to full breach. Um, a lot of the, uh, the climax of that was actually written next to my mom when she was unconscious. She hadn't passed yet into twos, um, you know, it's just a succumbing to, to her, uh, her cancer, but it was, felt like I felt like she was listening and I felt like she was there with me writing those parts so that the, that became pretty special and even though she could never really read it when I was done with it, I, you know, she knew I was working on it and you know, I know that she was proud of me. So when I think back, uh, writing, I think that that was, that's the, uh, the most profound scene that I've written. And sorry I have to go back to the previous book, but that was,

Speaker 1:23:21that's very profound. And in this book, which was the most, um, what was the most challenging scene to write

Speaker 3:23:28a c?

Speaker 3:23:33There is a time frame that happens throughout the book. It takes place over a couple of days and it takes place. There's a lot of cross country travel, like I said. So you're dealing with time, timeline and time differences across the United States. So to make sure you're in, you're in the same timeline, in the same timeframe and it makes sure the readers are secure, uh, somewhere in the middle, you know, like you have to, you know, eastern time this happens even though it's happening at the same time is what's going on in Arizona, which is, you know, Pacific Time. So that was pretty challenging. It's constantly going back, you know, I had to study a lot of bus schedules, uh, about, you know, if it's, if it's 3:00 here, what time is it here in this part of the country and what time is it east coast. So I, you know, to, it's tough to do that without completely confusing the reader. So like my dad is, is my first editor in the, on the first draft I gave him, he's like, I'm totally lost. So

Speaker 1:24:39he helped

Speaker 3:24:39me a figure that out, but that was very challenging plane with time like that. I'm not sure that I would do that again.

Speaker 1:24:47Okay. Yeah, I understand where you're coming from with that. I've done something similar. Just challenging now. What makes you decide on the issues you've tackled was in your books?

Speaker 3:24:57A personal experience? I want to, like I said, I wanted to tackle addiction. Um, and you know, I've, I've haven't been through it. There's just, there was no other subject to write about. So I wanted to write, you know what it's like, first of all, being an addict. So I wanted to write a book where people could, could read it, it reads it and feel what it's like to be an addict. So the, uh, you know, Brendan does this drug, meth amphetamine derivative called glow and you know, every time he does it, you know, he, he can get deeper and deeper into people's thoughts and kind of read people's minds. He's kind of tapping into that infinite consciousness that I was talking about. And. But the problem is that the more he does it, the more likely he's likely to drop into a coma, coma and be stuck in the blue war.

Speaker 3:25:52So you'll want him to do more drugs, but to feel guilty that you want them to do more drugs, but you just want to see what happens. Well, that's a lot what is liked the anatomic, you just don't want to do it, but she had driven, you're driven to do it, so it gives people that perspective and it gives people the perspective of someone who's quit and is now dealing with someone who is still on the drugs. So since I've had both experiences, you know, the characters, the addict and his best friend who has three years removed from using is both me, you know, but I use that to um, to, you know, to, to kind of ping pong against each other, uh, which is, you know, which is like, they're completely different people, but at the same time there are the same person. They're just, one is using and one isn't anymore. So I've got both perspectives on that which helps any reader, anyone who's been an addict, anyone who's dealt with an attic, anyone with friends and family who, who have been afflicted, they can all relate at some point to either of these characters.

Speaker 1:27:06I see. I see. Now I'm curious here. Now you're a singer songwriter, you're a project manager, but you've got all this knowledge about quantum mechanics and things that, I mean, how, how come,

Speaker 3:27:20oh, the quantum mechanics is just strictly me in reading about Carl Sagan and uh, well, you know, one of my heroes, I constantly watch how the universe was made. I, uh, you know, all those different shows. I'm the one with Morgan Freeman. I forgot. There's several different ones and I just constantly watched him over and over again. It's just fascinating subject to me. Nothing I ever studied, I couldn't give you any equations and write them out mathematically. It's, but, you know, I understand the broad concepts and they've ever since I've learned ever since I watched cosmos is a kid in the eighties with Carl Sagan. Uh, I was hooked on that. It's a fascinating subject. Um, so that I, you know, my mind is there a lot as far as like, just contemplating a universe, our place in it. You know, how infinite it is, you know, is it even the reverse now is there is an, a multiverse now. They're talking multiverse. It's just an ever changing. Fascinating subject to me. So, uh, I just, I read a lot of different, uh, you know, people who write about a brief history of time, you know, Stephen Hawkings all that, so I base base the books on that even though, you know, please don't come to me and asked me to write out any formulas or try to explain it mathematically because uh,

Speaker 1:28:48so what, what actually makes your bookers thriller then?

Speaker 3:28:55Um, there's always tension as far as uh, the time, uh, you know, deadlines, people run, they only have a certain amount of time to do things. There's, there's definitely criminal elements, you know, there's murders that happen and uh, murders that are going to happen again. People trying to stop that from happening. Uh, and so they are, you know, there's, there's, all the characters are all usually battling a, some sort of tension and trying to stop something from happening so that, that in, through, but throughout both boxes is a common theme. The first book, I'm Beth, a character that's both of them. She is an escapee from a, a polygamist extremist group in from Arizona. So she's been, she's being tracked by her, her former cult, uh, the whole book and in the trying, the book revolves around trying to get her out from under their thumb, um, you know, so that, that causes that thriller effect and then this one we need to, we need to find and stop the colonel before he does any more damage.

Speaker 1:30:14Okay. So what's the future for your writing and Nelson have you another book?

Speaker 3:30:20Yup. Yup. Third Book, um, you know, this is um, I'm going to call it a series a. It may stop it, a trilogy for awhile, but I don't want to call it a trilogy because that kind of limits you if in case you have. I mean I have further ideas beyond the third one. So the third one, we'll wrap up a lot of the questions for the first two and leave tentacles for, for more. So I don't know, uh, how far I'll go, but I'll, there's definitely a third one in the making.

Speaker 1:30:53Okay. Sounds good. Keep us posted. Yup. Will do. Now come to the part in the interview where I asked you rapid fire questions and answers just so I can get a get to know you a little bit better. So first question, if you could chat with any crime fiction author, dead or alive, who would it be and why?

Speaker 3:31:13Uh, what has to be Edgar Allen Poe? Because I think because he's not here anymore. And so you, you'll never know what he was actually a. You can never interview them. So that, just that see alternate mystery, I think, uh, his, his way of writing was also influential for me. And um, I would just have so many questions. There's so many right now, you know, there's been new information, you know, was he an opiate addict or what? Did he have an illness? Uh, you know, he was, you found on the street unconscious. Uh, but you know, we just don't know. So the whole, the ultimate mystery writer is someone who is life was the alternate ministry. So that, that's, that's gotta be a ground for it. That's the short answer, Paul.

Speaker 1:32:09Now can you name a tool? Apple product you can't live without. And why?

Speaker 3:32:15Uh, I guess it's got to be twitter because I follow a Michigan football because I grew up, my dad went to University of Michigan, so he used to take me to the football games growing up in Ann Arbor, Michigan, which is the largest stadium in the country. And some about that, uh, it never really leaves you, you know, when, when you have that experience as a kid. So I am in contact with the, my friend who I used to go to the games with and we both can't stop following a Michigan football. And so all my, the only thing that I really focus on is, uh, you know, the beat writers to University of Michigan Football. So that is my guilty pleasure for sure. Um, and so if I didn't have that, then I, I don't remember life without that. So I guess that would have to be twitter.

Speaker 1:33:09Okay. Can you tell us something unique and interesting about you that not many other people may know?

Speaker 3:33:19Uh, interesting and unique. So if, you know, uh, you know what I, I, uh, I don't, I don't know, I can't, I got a two year old and one on the way and there's a lot of stuff, but I just can't repeat it on a podcast.

Speaker 1:33:44What number would you give for new offices?

Speaker 3:33:48Uh, just writing one word. Get that first sentence out, I think is the toughest part of any book. Uh, like I said, I'm outlining my third book, but I haven't written that first sentence yet. And you start to like cower away from your laptop or you take your laptops in the living room, so you'll take the long way to the kitchen to avoid your laptop, just like, it's Kinda like it becomes a little demon because you, you just, you can't start it. So as soon as you get that first sentence, I think that's the hardest part. And everything else will fall into play. They'll always be people that will help you critique a. But just get that first sentence down and keep going.

Speaker 1:34:32Okay. And here's one for you. If you could tell your younger self one thing, what would it be?

Speaker 3:34:40Uh, wow. Yeah, don't, don't do drugs, just just say no.

Speaker 1:34:48Okay. And what's your favorite book?

Speaker 3:34:54A Count of Monte Cristo? I think, um, I guess like I mentioned that was just the first, uh, one of the first books I ever read and it was just so well, well done. Just really has action, had a motion. Um, it was just a great, it's a great pillar of, of the romanticism age.

Speaker 1:35:21Now this next one might be tough for you being in the annex, singer or songwriter. What's your favorite piece of musical song and why?

Speaker 3:35:30Uh, I would have to say a song burning inside from was, was really profound for me. It uh, it came into time in my life where I was just really, you know, had a lot, a lot of angry, unresolved issues, childhood issues, frustration with, with girls. Everything was, was coming to ahead and uh, that song, you know, they'd just chance burning inside, burning inside burning inside was exactly how I felt inside. And so, uh, the, the group ministry fronted by a Al Jorgensen, you saw I was wearing my, my little straw hat and the skype portion, uh, you know, that's kind of an ode to him. I wear it when I'm trying to get creative is he used to wear that live, uh, you know, he was the front man for ministry, but he did several other side projects and really the versatility had his music really influenced me, not just music I am.

Speaker 3:36:35And I go from like Enya to ministry and like zero point, two seconds. But just the fact that he produced his own music and he just kind of went against the record companies, you know, because his career started out. He sounded like depeche mode and he was really, really mellow and he just really hates that time period of his life. And he ever since then he's gone against the grain, done things his own way, produced his own music, called his own shots. And that has been very influential to me and got me wanting to produce music, you know, to, to eat Kua, kick drum for two days to make sure it's like perfectly sitting in the speakers, um, in anything. I'm just create creativity wise, you know, he's gone through his own addiction. So even now he's, he's 50 something years old now and he's still making music the way he wants to make it. So, uh, yeah, I mean that's just a, as far as an influence he would. He's right up there. So. And the pinnacle, that is the song burning inside from 1989. The mind is a terrible thing to taste.

Speaker 1:37:47Okay. How can listeners get in touch with you and your books?

Speaker 3:37:53Uh, go ahead. My books are on Amazon and Lawrence man. Um, let's end period. Lawrence man with two ends. My twitter. You can follow me on twitter at, at and Lawrence, man, instagram and Lawrence man. And you can just like the, uh, my facebook page. Just look up and Lawrence man at and Lawrence, man, everything's in Lawrence. Marion to any kind of social media. That's it.

Speaker 1:38:21Formats your books. Currently in,

Speaker 3:38:23uh, you can get them paperback, uh, through Ingramspark or Amazon and ebook through Amazon currently. Uh, just Amazon.

Speaker 1:38:34Okay. Do you have any for audio

Speaker 3:38:38audio books? Uh, I don't. I, I got something to email one saying, hey, you can do your own audio book, record your own book. Like, I don't want to record my own book. I'd rather someone else do that. So, uh, I know no plants for audio yet. Okay.

Speaker 1:38:55For the future maybe? Yep. Maybe. Okay. Well now since it's been really great chatting with you, I'm, we're about up to time. I want to thank you for being so open and honest about your experiences of life in that and have you put them in your book.

Speaker 3:39:08Well, I appreciate you having me on Paul and uh, wish you the best and we'll, we will talk again. Uh, when the next one comes out, I'll give you a call.

Speaker 1:39:18Sounds good. Okay. From on listings out there, Nelson's details and the details of his book on our website to crime fiction lamps. That's crime fiction lounge.club. I want to thank you for listening and let you know that our next guest will be the lovely Debbie young author of the Sophie Sayers village mysteries, so make a note in your calendar because you won't want to miss this one. I can assure you. I'll see you then. Bye for now.

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