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Episode #10 – Rob Sinclair, Author of The James Ryker Thriller Series
December 06, 2018 Paul Stretton-Stephens

Rob is the author of the critically acclaimed and bestselling Enemy series and James Ryker series of espionage thrillers. His books have sold over half a million copies to date with many reviewers and readers having likened Rob's work to authors at the very top of the genre, including Lee Child and Vince Flynn. 

Rob began writing in 2009 following a promise to his wife, an avid reader, that he could pen a ‘can’t put down’ thriller. He worked or nearly 13 years for a global accounting firm after graduating from The University of Nottingham in 2002, specialising in forensic fraud investigations at both national and international levels. Rob now writes full time.

Rob is the author of the critically acclaimed and bestselling Enemy series and James Ryker series of espionage thrillers. His books have sold over half a million copies to date with many reviewers and readers having likened Rob's work to authors at the very top of the genre, including Lee Child and Vince Flynn. 

Rob began writing in 2009 following a promise to his wife, an avid reader, that he could pen a ‘can’t put down’ thriller. He worked or nearly 13 years for a global accounting firm after graduating from The University of Nottingham in 2002, specialising in forensic fraud investigations at both national and international levels. Rob now writes full time.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1:0:01Hello and welcome to the crime fiction lounge podcast. You're listening to episode 10 with Rob Sinclair, author of the James Ryker series.

Speaker 2:0:11Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce to you the crime fiction lounge, the place for crime fiction. Sit back, relax and unwind. You listened to some of your favorite crime fiction thriller authors, and here's your host, Paul Stretton Stevens.

Speaker 1:0:37Today I have great pleasure in introducing you to Rob Sinclair, author of the James Ryker thriller series. In this episode, we'll be discussing his latest release, the Green Viper, which is the fourth novel in the espionage Thriller Series, rubs also the author of the critically acclaimed bestselling enemies here is as well as the globe trotting thriller, hit sleeper 13. His books have sold over half a million copies to date with many reviewers and readers. Having likened rob's work towards is at the very top of the genre, including Lee Child and Vince Flynn. Rob began writing in 2009 following a promise to his wife, an avid reader. He could pen account, put down thriller. Enjoy the interview.

Speaker 2:1:18Yeah.

Speaker 1:1:19Hi Rob. Welcome to the crime fiction lounge. How are you today? Hello? Yeah, I'm great. Thank you. Thanks for having me. No, you're welcome. You're welcome. Anytime a full those listeners who don't know you, could you tell us a little bit about yourself?

Speaker 3:1:33Of course. Yes. So my name's Rob Sinclair. I'm an author of thrillers and I have various thriller series out currently, uh, the enemy series, the James Ryker series, and the sleeper 13 series as well. So I'm going to have many, many different books at the moment. Okay. And what's your background, rob? My background is I was, I'm an accountant after university, so I trained as an accountant for a few years. Worked for a large accounting firm for best parts for 13 years before I, I gave that all up to be a writer full time.

Speaker 1:2:08Okay. Okay. Now I've got one question for you because I believe your. You studied in Nottingham University? That's right. Yeah, my home city. Okay. So. And you did biochemistry? I did biochemistry. Yeah. So how'd you end up being an accountant?

Speaker 3:2:23It's one of those things just is kind of how I ended up from being an accountant to a rice as well. I think. I don't know quite how to explain those different changes. I think biochemistry was a subject which I was comfortable doing in the school. I'd done very well in my, a levels in chemistry and biology, so it kind of just made sense to do that. I didn't really have a thought in my head at that point in time as to what they would mean in the future and by the time it came to the end of university I still had no idea what that means in terms of what should be doing in the future. And my mum told me that being an accountant would be a good career. So I listened to her and just took the plans to do that instead.

Speaker 3:2:59Okay. But you were in a specialized form of accountancy work knew I was. Yeah. So I, I additionally trains as a within the audit department. So the firm I worked for, which was for, you know, the training goes on for a number of years, but after that I turned to a specialist in which was in fraud investigation. So we would, um, you know, we'll go out to various places all over the world investigating large scale cases of fraud and corruption. Okay. Interesting work. That was very interesting work actually. Yeah. As far as the county goes, I guess that's probably about as interesting as you can get. Yeah. Yeah. I know, I know a couple of people in the field, so I know I've got some insight into that. Yeah. Now your bite, your biochemistry, have you ever used that in any of your books? The knowledge?

Speaker 3:3:45I don't think I have, you know, to be honest, I can't actually remember very much about it. It's such a long time ago now. So now I've never used that. Perhaps I should go back and do some older vision and try and bring that into one of my stories by biochemical weapons or something. You never know. You never know. And what do you do in your spare time? Do you have any time for sport music or anything like that? Oh, I'm spare time is very limited. I've got two sons. One's going up to eight years old and one is five years old, so they take up virtually all of my time at the moment. So I say my hobbies are really their hobbies. So it's football multiple times a week, swimming, karate and all the other activities that kids get involved in. Yeah, yeah, I remember it well.

Speaker 3:4:26Now let's talk about your writing. I mean I understand that you began writing in 2009 following up promise to your wife. Can you tell us a little bit more about that? Well, yeah, so that time I was obviously working full time as an accountant. As you can see from my background, I hadn't got any experience in writing. I didn't take any exam courses at school or university or even in my spare time really it was just. No, I never had a dream of being a writer. And then this all came from a holiday in Spain. We had, before we had kids were, you know, we're generally just sit by the pool reading for the best part of two weeks, um, and for whatever reason on this particular holiday, I just hadn't been getting on very well with the books I've been reading and I said to my wife quite flippantly, I reckon I could do that and it Kinda just mushroomed from there.

Speaker 3:5:13One thing led to another and I ended up writing a book. And what was her reaction to that? After the first one, eh, will, after the first one. Well, it was a very long process to be honest. So it didn't even know. It started off just as a paragraph really. And it started off as a few pages and it starts off this chapter and um, you know, after the East Asia, when I showed her the work, she just kind of said, yeah, it's good, keep on going. So I kept on going and kept on going and eventually I ended up with a book and, but that was kind of, I need to start this story because, you know, fast forward three or four years later and I was still left with an unpublished book, which was kind of just going through various iterations but was, wasn't really going anywhere.

Speaker 3:5:51So it was a, it was a very long process to eventually get that published. But um, you know, it all started from that for that conversation back in Spain. And how many have you got now? How many books published now? Oh, well one came out there today, the Green Viper, which is the fourth book and the James Ryker series. Um, and then there's three in the enemy series. And then I've got dark fragments. We should stand alone. Thriller and sleeper 13, which is Brooklyn and in a new series. So that's nine so far. And what's their reaction now when she's just very proud of me, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I think she embodies my lifestyle, that she works full time still in accountancy. That's how we met and I get to stay at home all day, so I think she's quite envious of that. Oh, well, there you go. Okay. Anymore on that.

Speaker 3:6:37Now I want to ask you about your path to publication because I've heard that you're quite unique position with your foot in more than one camp, so to speak. How did that come about? Yeah. Well, you, like I said with that very first book, it was a long, long journey. Um, you know, in the very early stages I was getting roundly rejected from agents and publishers and probably quite rightly at the time because the book was no professional input or anything that wasn't good enough to be published at that stage. And after doing that for a few years, I kind of got to a crossroads where it was either do I give up with this projects and go to just concentrate on my day job or should I kind of go another way and self publish it and improve it is good enough. And so I decided on that latter option, got the help of a professional editor to actually make sure the book was as good as it could be, which really opened my eyes to a lot of things I was doing wrong with that very first book.

Speaker 3:7:28And you know, once, once that was in good enough shape, I self published. It didn't take off immediately at all. And despite my best efforts, not necessary because of the book, but just because self publishing is such a minefield, there's so many books out there. And it wasn't until, you know, I still kept on going and wife kept on encouraging me for a second book. And then finally things started to take off and then go from there. Everything's just gone. I guess it's gone very well for me, you know, after that, those first three books, I met a couple of guys who were starting a new publishing company called blue time books and the two founders of that and got chatting to them a book festival. And from there I got a contract with them for, for the James Ryker series and the dark fragments book.

Speaker 3:8:13And then subsequent to that, so I was approached directly by another publisher, Ryan, who would see my work and very much like the look of it and wanted me to write a series for them. So, you know, I guess, you know, from self publishing and regionally have now I've got my foot into various different orders, you know, a small publisher in blood times were very exciting and innovative. Digital Publisher Ryan who is one of the kind of the big traditional publishers. Yeah. That seems to be the way these days is turning a little bit, isn't it? It is turning again. And there's, you know, there's so many kind of pros and cons for each approach that I'm quite in many ways. I'm glad that I have got kind of a foot in each door is it's nice to kind of have that benefit. Um, you know, I really enjoyed self publishing fantasy books even though it's hard work and it takes a lot of your time in terms of promotion and marketing. Um, but then yeah, you get a lot of reward from it as well. Having said that, you know, that the models that the big publishers have is very difference. Um, but it's still well worth being in that environment for us. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. You got the best of both worlds there, you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And why did you decide to write thrillers?

Speaker 3:9:22Really just, that's the kind of books I read this, the kind of TV shows I watched him, the kind of films I watched, so, and it never really crossed my mind for anything else. It's just, that's just what I enjoy reading and writing, reading, writing, watching myself in which writers inspire you. And so that question, um, I would probably say going back to the start, it'd be likes of Lee Charles, David Belt actually, um, you know, the big mainstream of authors, you know, over the years, I have three definitely honest. I get very little time for reading these days. Um, but I have made an effort over the past few years to read books, you know, up and coming artists as well. And we should probably do more so now than I ever did in the past. But yeah, going back to when I first started. Yeah, it was those kind of very big writers, often genre.

Speaker 3:10:15So Lee childs, everybody's actually James Patterson, those kinds of guys. You the mainstreams yeah, yeah, yeah. Where do your ideas come from? Them because to write a different book every. How often do you bring a new book out and what's been very, very hectic last couple of years. So I've had two books this year, had four books last year. It's probably gonna be at least two or three next year given what my publishing schedule is. So yeah, I'm a busy writer. Right. I guess I do write quite quickly and the idea is very hard to say, you know, the beauty with the, the Ryan books is that I've had some collaboration work there with the editor at Ryan. Really? Um, interesting compared to the other books we have done and completely myself come up with all the ideas myself. It's been quite nice to actually have some collaboration with somebody where they, they shoot ideas that you as well.

Speaker 3:11:02And for the other books, the idea is just kind of, they just honestly, they just come to me, I don't know why or when or have, you know, you could just be doing anything and you get a, just a snippet if an Isaiah, you know, it's not full blown story by any stretch of imagination, but you know, snippets of an idea where there's a character or a particular scene or particular twist for an end might just come to you and then you kind of just build out from there. Yeah, I mean you're not the first north. I've interviewed this as exactly that. It just manifests from thin air and you have that thread and then you build on that thread. Absolutely, yeah. What kind of research do you have to do for your, your thrillers and how long do you spend researching? Before beginning the book?

Speaker 3:11:43I tend not to spend too much time researching before book because like I said, what kind of get that thread of an idea and I worked for now I'd like to kind of see that first draft as a plotting exercise. In fact. So I don't know. I don't come with storyboards rental night before I start, I kind of just go with it and that first draft is really me coming with the story. So in terms of research, in terms of that sense, the research I do might be on things like locations, um, sounds really bad, but ways of killing people, torturing people, um, you know, the inner workings of different organizations, whether it's government or place or armies or CIA and FBI, whatever. That's the sort of research I'll do as I go along as I went, as I went. I think I need a point of fact.

Speaker 3:12:28Yeah. Yeah. And you said you're quite quick. Writers are on. I have on average, how long does it take to write a book? I'm where I am when I'm in drafting by writing for 4,000 words a day. So, um, I tend to work four days a week when I'm in that environment. So it tends to be for six weeks is what my plan normally is for a first draft. Right. But that really is only the start of the story. I mean, after that first draft you, I'll probably go over it myself two or three times out of 10 before it gets into the hands of anybody else and wants. It's been, you know, we have back and forth with them a number of times as well. So you know, from, from conception to getting it into a finished format normally maybe six months. Okay. Okay.

Speaker 3:13:12Okay. Now you recent title, a Green Viper? Yep. Could you tell us a little bit about that? I believe it's set in New York. It says in New York. Yes. I believe my wife and lived in New York for a short while when we were both working for the same accountancy firm, which is a fantastic time for us. We lived there for 18 months and I've always wanted to have books at there. Um, and it's, it felt like a good opportunity with this new right. Wants to do just that. And the sort of green viper. Is it? It's, I guess it's slightly different to the other James Ryker ones and it changed. Right? Craze is like an ex intelligence agents. I'm kind of like a James. So Jason Bourne character and she's got quite dark past, he's a highly trained guy and he gets himself into lots of big kind of international scrapes.

Speaker 3:13:58So you know, the other three books are very international, their settings and that they were spread out over different countries, different continents with the Green Viper is different in that although is approved from our perspective, it's the New York is fairly self contained within New York City and New Jersey and so it's, you know, more domestic plot in that sense, which was quite refreshing in a way just to kind of strip it back and really focused on the characters and the interactions between the characters rather than have these kind of big, big globe trotting settings. Yeah. Yeah. So can you tell us a little bit about the plot? Yeah. So without kind of getting into into it too much. I'm James Ryker, as I said, he's, he's a ex intelligence agents so he doesn't have a job now. Um, but the theme within all of the books is that he's getting drawn back into that life one way or another.

Speaker 3:14:49In the previous three books, it's more figures past kind of enemies, bringing them back into the falls was this one is pass loyalties which bring them back into the fold, so he goes on on a personal mission to New York to try and help the son of his former mentor who's got himself involved with so not very nice people over in New York, so it's kind of, it's all about loyalty. It's about family bonds and and and things like that. Did you have any particular inspirational motive for this particular story? I'm not like a member. No, no. Like I said, the idea, the idea of facebook was kind of trying to bring back some of the those old loyalties so that his mentor who was called mackey actually died in the second book I wrote rise of the enemy, so that's kind of six books ago, but he was such an important character within rikers life.

Speaker 3:15:47I've always wanted to bring it back and this felt like a very neat way of doing that without having to kind of just do flashbacks all the time to time when riker and Mackey was together. So kind of bring in Mackey's family who obviously still alive and kicking into the mix was a nice way to do that. Now you've mentioned that James Ryker as an intelligence agent who's no longer working for the government, is now, for our listeners who have yet to read one of your novels, can you tell us a little bit more about him as he watched his sort of personality like or as it got any particular habits that we should be aware of? And it's come on quite a journey on three of the books I've written. So the very first book danced with the enemy. He, he was still working for the agency, but he had just come back from a, a severe trauma where he'd been going kind of towards the left for dead.

Speaker 3:16:39So he was suffering from post traumatic stress. He was bitter shadows for myself and he's kind of grown over the books, back ends for not the man who used to be, but you know, you've got very strong kind of moral compass, whereas the guy who used to be kind of more or less at the train assassin, um, but he's, you know, he's a very determined person. He's the Kinda guy who sees the world is black and white, good and bad. So it was kind of no shades of gray in his mind as to what he sees and what he does and I'm not sure he's necessarily a fun guy because his life was dedicated to his job and now he's, I guess he's a bit of a loner now, you know, he doesn't have a job, he doesn't have a family, doesn't really have real friends as such, but he, you know, he, he sets out on missions to do what he perceives as being good. Okay. Okay. Now I believe in the Green Viper. You've got the FBI involved in there and you got some war and crime bosses. How, how did you create the characters there?

Speaker 3:17:39They kind of just, um, they kind of just fitted the story, so the FBI bus or not the boss, the FBI, the main character, we still almost like a foil for, for America and he's traveled to New York alone. Um, and he just needed some form of, I guess not companionship necessarily, but you know, just somebody else out there who was, um, kind of almost working towards the same goals as here's Marci, you don't make sense. Yeah. And that. And they're not necessarily working towards setting goals because right here operates autonomously off race, not necessarily with the law, but it was kind of a nice situation to him and say where he's got to kind of react to this person who is, you know, much more lower biting than he's used to in a way as to the crime bosses themselves. I've, I've really no idea where they came from.

Speaker 3:18:37Now. Sometimes the, the kind of the bad characters are the easiest to create because you just kind of let yourself loose and just think of the most horrible people you can think of. That's interesting you say that because sometimes they say a good villain can be hard to write. I mean, how'd you get in touch with your inner villain in order to write? I don't know. I like watching. Like I say, I watched him finding films. I'd agree. I don't know if that's just say something about my personality, but I find those, those things quite easy to think of and quite easy to write. All right, okay. Maybe it's just letting off steam perhaps. Yeah. I think as well when you're watching things, films of that nature, you know, you pick up sort of personalities and traits and everything else, don't you? Yeah, of course you do.

Speaker 3:19:20Yeah. Sometimes you're using those ideas even subliminally. Yeah. Yeah, and without giving away any spoilers, which scene did you most enjoy writing and. Hmm, that's a good question. I think the finale of the book is more than one scene, but it sets over a period of just a few hours in one evening and it's probably like the last 15, 20 percent of the book, but it's very fast and furious. Moving from one location to another within within Manhattan, kind of a writer on a chase, final chase to get to the bad guys in time. I think that's so fast and frenetic that it's just, it was really exciting to write it I think and hopefully it's really exciting to read it as well. And it sounds like it sounds like it. Yeah. Which scene was the most challenging to write? The most challenging.

Speaker 3:20:19There's always a spot within the middle of books, which I find really difficult because by the time I've got kind of halfway through, I've got a really good idea of how the book's going to end, but there's kind of moving from the first half of the book into the second half, I guess if it's been moved of like the first act, the second act, I always find quite challenging trying to marry things up to get to the end. And so without pinpointing that particular scene, there's always a spot within the 40,000 to 50,000 words. When my books were, I just kind of think, how on earth do I get to the next title needs to be? Um, and how'd you overcome that? And normally by bashing my head against a wall for a few days, I'm sulking, that sort of thing. Then eventually, eventually hoping it just comes. And normally it does come eventually just working through it then. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:21:13And what makes you decide on the issues you tackle was in your books, you know, you talked, you spoke about loyalty earlier on and you know, and how helping out some of the mentor and that's sort of what makes you decide on those particular issues.

Speaker 3:21:26Um, I don't think that's a conscious decision necessarily. I think again, that's just something that the kind of, as the story develops that makes, you know, you know, what you focused on within story. Are you focusing on those? Is in a goals in that sense of loyalty, loyalty or is it something much more um, obvious to the outside world? You know, there's a threat of a nuclear bomb and I never done that, but you know what I mean? Yeah. There's no overarching for the in east to accomplish. So I think I just, that kind of becomes obvious as you're going on what you want that focus to be. I don't, I don't think necessarily it starts the book thinking so heavily on which way I was going to go. Okay.

Speaker 1:22:04Yeah. Now I've been looking at some of the reviews of your other books as well, like red, Red Cobra and silver wolf and that and you know, I mean their readers just say a full on action pack, top spy thriller. I could see that playing out on the big screen. And then another one says, you know, a trilogy I'll be recommending for a long time after reading. I'm hoping it will be on the big screen. Have you been approached by anybody for your books to you on the screen? Big goals for them.

Speaker 3:22:29Nothing concrete yet, but there's, it does interest. Um, she's great to hear. And you know, I've, I probably would say I, I'm a big movie Fan and I'm a book fan so I watch a lot of film, a lot of TV. And I think when I was writing these books, I've always kind of written them in my head like they're movie, um, you know, to me they play out the scenes play in my head, like in a movie, so I think they're very much are written in that way and I think that could be easily adapted as well. I actually have, you know, for my own purposes, adapted the first book, dance with the enemy into a screen play just for my own kind of satisfaction of doing that process, which was a very satisfying process. Studio changing your book into a screenplay. So I've never heard that before, but it was, it was a really good challenge.

Speaker 3:23:17Yeah, yeah. Did you enjoy the challenge? I did. I mean it's a completely different experience and I hadn't realized how different the screen play would be to a book but is entirely different. And I can see when, you know, when people say, Oh, the book was best than the film, Blah Blah. You kind of see why when you were actually go through that process because you have to strip so much out. It's got to into a normal voting time. Yeah. I wanted to ask you, because value don't have to start adding new stuff in. You still have so much that you've lost half of the plot so things don't tie up anymore. So this is a very difficult process but it's, it is quite satisfying when you get to the end of it. But yeah, there is some, there is some interest so we'll see where that goes.

Speaker 1:23:58Oh well you'll have to let us know when you, when, when you're able to. Absolutely. Yeah. Now I'm older writers feel when it gets to review such as these, you know, the, they feel pressure to sort of, you know, keep performing. I mean, how have you coped with that? Would you feel the pressure? Yeah, there pressure

Speaker 3:24:15because you know, I don't work. I haven't gotten an idea in my head for what book six, seven, eight, nine, 10 is going to be. And so you've got to just hope that, you know, those ideas do still keep coming to me and you know, so far they have, you know, over the period of the last three or four years and know I'm lucky enough that because I'm quite quickly right, I've got two books in the works which haven't been published as well, so I've got those two. Just kind of what comes next. You always, you're always hoping that you know you're going to get that is there for what comes next, but quite how long have you been going forward? I honestly don't know. Hopefully forever. Hopefully as long as people are reading it but enough for it and say.

Speaker 1:24:50Okay. Okay. I mean it was going to ask you what the future is for you, but you already mentioned that. So you have a new book on the way. I believe in March.

Speaker 3:24:59Yes. Like fugitive 13 is a sequel to sleep associates that comes out in March and there's also going to be another James Ryker books angel, like a five, which will hopefully be out towards the back end of next year. I'm also working on a and a prequel to my, to the enemy series that, that exchange where I could back to events before where the enemy in those three books and which again is quite an exciting thing to be starting on, kind of going back to his former life. Um, so yeah, there's lots on the go.

Speaker 1:25:31Busy mountain man yet. Good. Good. Now this, this point of the interview, I normally ask people rapid fire questions and answers just so the, the listenership can, you know, get a good idea about, about you. Okay. Um, so if you could chat with any crime fiction author, dead or alive, who would it be and why? Oh, I would say. Oh, Ian Fleming. Fleming. Okay. Yes. And in particular this James Bond is such an iconic character. Yeah. Have you been to the exhibition in London? I haven't known, no. I had against Linda by often, but in the cinema museum and the covent garden, it's a fulltime exhibitions. It's continuous. Yeah. Yeah. Very worthwhile. Yep. Um, can you name a tool apple product you can't live without and why? Then what? Sorry? A tool, APP or product you can't live without and why?

Speaker 3:26:26I mean it's probably these days it's the mobile phone. Isn't this spent so much time glued to their mobile phone in one way or another? Yeah.

Speaker 1:26:33And could you tell us something unique and interesting about your many people may know. Oh, my dad has got to Cva.

Speaker 3:26:45Okay. May I ask what for, for services to local government.

Speaker 1:26:52Oh, very good. Very good. Um, what's a typical day like for you and your writing life?

Speaker 3:26:59A typical day for me is get the kids out to school, a little preschool club, uh, maybe go to the gym. I've got enough time and then to four or five hours of writing followed by a couple of hours of reading what I've written for you, why I'm asking, that's most days, most days unless I'm having a research day, which normally involves watching telly, although. Okay.

Speaker 1:27:22Do you have any specifics? Anything specific you would like to say to your fans or community members if they're listening?

Speaker 3:27:29Um, well, just a big thanks to really. I mean, you know, been going for Nifa for nine books and I know there's a lot of readers and fans who have been with me since the very first one and it's just, it's so flattering when you, when you, when you see that there's this number of readers who I recognized the names on social media, I know that they're the people who read the very first book three or four years ago. It's great that people will follow me. Yeah. Nice. Was good little tea, isn't it? Nice little tea. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:27:57So this, this will be tested for you then. What's your favorite book and why?

Speaker 3:28:02Oh, favorite book. That's very difficult. Um, the one that sticks out the most over recent years I would say is I am pilgrim. Maybe not favorite full time, but that's what, that's what comes to mind when you asked me questions. Okay. And why would that be? I just thought it was very refreshing change on the January. It's such a big book as well. He has very broad plot and a number of years, number of continents. It was just how many and all the way food despite its length, just very unusual for me. I'm voting, I'm a very lazy reader. All right. Okay.

Speaker 1:28:36Now I know you love your movies and this one might be really difficult for you. You can watch your favorite movie and why would that be?

Speaker 3:28:44That is difficult as well. So, um, I would say the departed and I'm a big fan of Michael Scorsese's work and I think that's probably the best one.

Speaker 1:28:53Alright. Okay. And is there a favorite piece of music or songs that you like?

Speaker 3:28:58Well, and I know, um, my, my musical taste is very, very wide and varied. My wife's just says it's very noisy when I listen to it. You.

Speaker 1:29:07And how can our listeners get in touch with you and your books? Rob

Speaker 3:29:11and best ways would be contact me directly via my website, which is rob sinclair, Ortho.com. And on twitter I'm also on facebook from sinclair. Walter. Okay. And what format? So they currently available in the books, uh, in Ebook, paperback and all but green vipers in audio as well. Okay.

Speaker 1:29:37Okay. Well, rob, I need to call us your time here in the criminal crime fiction lounge and I want to thank for a fascinating chat know thank you for being here with us and for being so open and honest and you know, answering all my questions. Thanks very much to be great. And for all the listeners out there, rob's details and the details of his books are also on our website, the crime fiction lounge and that's www.crimefictionlounge.club. I want to thank you for listening and let you know that our next guest will be author John Mars and we'll be talking about his latest police procedural. Her last move is set to be another don't miss interview, so I'll see you then.

Speaker 1:30:12Now before I go, I wanted to let you know that was the Christmas holidays upon us. We do have a shop with the crime fiction lounge where we curated a range of gifts that are ideal for the crime fiction mystery and thriller fan is art jewelry technology with readers. The latest technology in Ereaders superbad headphones, so you can listen to your audio books, is murder, mystery dinner party games, and signed memorabilia to name just a few items you can find our shop@wwwdotcrimefictionland.club, forward slash shop. I hope that you find something for the crime fiction fan in your life, so that's it for me.

Speaker 2:30:47All right. Until next time, have a good week. You've enjoyed this episode. Why not subscribe now? Leave a review and share with your friends and don't forget to tune in for the next thrilling episode. Until then, stay safe.

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