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We have a"},{"speaker":"Jimmy","startTime":1446.78,"endTime":1449.812,"body":"forum. It's dead easy. Thanks,"},{"speaker":"Jimmy","startTime":1449.867,"endTime":1453.34,"body":"Sue. I can tell you, your voice"},{"speaker":"Jimmy","startTime":1449.867,"endTime":1453.34,"body":"is about to give out again, but"},{"speaker":"Jimmy","startTime":1453.395,"endTime":1456.483,"body":"you're sorry. I'm such a"},{"speaker":"Jimmy","startTime":1453.395,"endTime":1456.483,"body":"trooper. You're such a trooper."},{"speaker":"Jimmy","startTime":1456.538,"endTime":1459.846,"body":"You're plugging away there. And"},{"speaker":"Jimmy","startTime":1456.538,"endTime":1459.846,"body":"thank you all for listening."},{"speaker":"Jimmy","startTime":1459.901,"endTime":1461.5,"body":"We'll talk to you again soon."},{"speaker":"Sue Williams","startTime":1461.62,"endTime":1463.36,"body":"See you. 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