PHC podcast Transcript
Summary
Olivia and Coach Stephen discuss the upcoming Public Health Collaboration conference and the exciting lineup of speakers. They also talk about the importance of promoting low carb diets and the value of attending in person. Olivia explains how the PHC have listened to suggestions for additional features and expanded viewpoints in the upcoming PHC conference (which you can see either in person or via live stream.)
She also mentioned the discussion panels on topics such as ultra-processed food and how to educate kids on proper nutrition. There is also a panel on mental health and the connection to diet. She believes that conversations about mental health and nutrition need to be more open and honest as there is a strong link between the two. She also talked about the importance of changing the current healthcare and education systems.
Olivia herself has been on the low carb, keto-carnivore path for about 2 years for similar reasons to Coach Stephen: taking care of her parents made her realize how important it was to prevent herself from getting lifelong diseases. Her skin, eyes, teeth, athletic performance have all improved. The changes were even noticeable when she was on a strict keto diet. She doesn’t see any reason to go back to any other type of diet. Olivia is actively involved in the community and organizes a book club on behalf of Dr Anthony Chaffee
Transcription
U1
0:01
Hi there and welcome to another interview. Slightly different today I've got the fabulous Olivia with me and we're going to chat about many different subjects. And the first one is to say hello to Olivia. And would you like to talk about your low carb, keto carnivore type journey?
U2
0:16
Absolutely, yes. I've just had my, um, two year anniversary, so that's, um, a good milestone. Um, but my journey starts a few years before that. Uh, I was keto for about two, two and a half years, uh, and progressed to carnivore. But it all happened because I was, um, researching nutrition, having cared for my elderly parents when they, um, unfortunately passed away about a decade ago from type two diabetes, Alzheimer's, uh, between them and many other conditions. And I always thought, I'm going to have to look into, um, how I can prevent myself getting one of these hereditary hereditary diseases and, um, and decided to, to research that thought it would be a little quick task that I would, that I would do and then I would add a few, a few blueberries or something to my diet every week, and that would be that job done. But it ended up being a bit of a rabbit hole that I think, um, a lot of us have fallen down. And I realize that there's quite a lot you can do to prevent yourself from getting not just those diseases, but many, many others too. And it actually was a bit of a such an epiphany for me that I thought I'd rather use my background, which is all in in business and marketing strategy, towards actually growing people understanding this very important message, which is pretty much the most important thing I think people need to understand in order to live a healthy life. So. So yes, I was not from a nutritional background at all. I just kind of came upon this as a as a person just living their life normally and decided to to stay to stay involved for a little bit longer.
U1
1:50
And how has the two years been? Are you feeling better than you were two years ago?
U2
1:55
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, it's such a stark difference even from being I was keto before, as I said, and it was a very a very clean keto strict keto diet, only whole foods. No, absolutely nothing kind of processed or sugar like. And even from that kind of clean baseline, um, it was a very noticeable difference to, to try out carnivore. And I only did it as just almost like a, a bit of a dare because I thought, if I'm doing all this nutritional research, I should just at least try out. I keep hearing people talking about it. So, um, I'd like to just experience it. And I'd always heard of people having, you know, autoimmune issues or mental health issues or really good reasons that they would do carnivore. And I didn't feel like I had one of those, but I thought I'd still give it a go anyway. And even then I noticed so many changes. Um, as someone who didn't have anything they were looking to solve, um, so that told me quite a lot and actually made me think. I think this is the way we all supposed to be eating, in a way, at least. You know, we all agree on real food, but I think there's still more benefit to get from continuing to, to optimise, um, and, and, and focusing on, on the most nutritious food of all. So yes, I noticed many changes. My skin got better. My teeth, my eyes, um, my athletic performance. Just totally like my speed on a, on a indoor bike that I have doubled in a week. Um, and it was just really crazy stuff that just suddenly took hold. I remember waking up one day and I felt like I was the happiest I'd ever experienced feeling in my whole life, and I couldn't work out why. And I kept thinking, you know, something must have happened yesterday that made me, like, feel happy. And I've forgotten what that is, but I've still got the feeling of it. But there wasn't anything. It was just a normal way to stay. And I woke up and I just felt euphoric. So that was another another moment of thinking. There's something really very powerful about what what this is. So I've never had any reason to think, um, to go back or to do any other diet since then. And it's been, yeah, very productive and positive ever since then.
U1
3:59
Yeah, I suppose it's an obvious question. After two years, you you must be thinking it's great. And for those that are listing on the audio podcast, you did do air quotes when you talked about hereditary diseases. Um, and there's a reason for that. And I feel quite strongly about this because I fell hook, line and sinker for the genetic link to colon cancer. For instance, having lost both of my parents very young, they followed the guidelines. Absolutely. My mother very much did with, uh, skim milk and bran flakes and all of that sort of stuff. Freshly squeezed orange juice, no fat, saturated fat was not in her diet. And she died of colon cancer with with a horrific £9 cancer growth in a colon. So, um, I thought, I'm dying. This is it. Exactly your story. And I didn't realize that we had similarities there. My stepfather, who was my real dad's brother. So it was hereditary. He had a coma from diabetes and an amputation, and I really thought my number was up, I really did. I'd already lost my dad. And, um. Uh, I've seen to realize that you do inherit some things, like eating habits. Because I was eating exactly like my parents. And I think that is underestimated in this space. But maybe that's for another interview, actually, because there's a few things I want to talk to you about. Um, you're very active in the community, and one of the things maybe people don't know is you're very active behind the scenes with, uh, Doctor Anthony Chaffey and his book club, so I'd be really interested to hear about that, actually.
U2
5:30
Yeah. It's, um, it's a great little a little venture that we have, um, a book club which has been going about, I think, coming up to two years, um, or 80 to certainly 18 months. Um, and, um, it was just something that came about from having a little community that we look after and, um, community of, of carnivores specifically and everyone being very close to each other and I guess on the same journey and really needing each other to support, you know, to support the journey that we're all on in trying to and trying to progress eating a different way, but also trying to reconcile that with the real world. And what on earth is going on with all of this, um, misinformation and many cases out there and how much we see others suffering. And it's a it's a hard time that I think we all as human beings are. I try to muddle my way through and and the book club was kind of born out of that need of people wanting to learn together and, um, and be with people who are like minded that they can, um, they can be open and they can question and they can call out a lot of the things out there that don't make any sense, which maybe others in real life don't want to care about or not open to hearing about. So, um, it became a bit of a platform for making our way through the many fantastic literary material out there. Looks like that and um, etc. that, uh, that is available and we decided to go with it kind of together. We know through all reading, kind of slightly different things in the same space, but not quite the same one at the same time. So we said, you know, why do we need to listen to book club? We'll start, uh, reading books together. We'll vote on which ones we want to read every month. And we, we now progress through different topics. So like we have done loads of nutrition and then we've moved on to environment and agriculture and ethics. That was a good five months and really dug into a lot on on that side. Some fantastic books there, especially the ethical side, which maybe sometimes we don't spend as much time thinking about. Um, and now we've just moved back into onto mental health. And so we progress through these topics and we read a book every month, we meet every week, and we, uh, discuss what we read, and we challenge each other on what we think. And we've gotten to some real kind of meaty discussions, um, if you'll excuse the pun. And, um, and, and we just enjoy, I think, more than anything else is just the fun of just getting together and and having a chat with people that you've really, you know very well. And we're we're from all different corners of the earth. We've got everyone from or people coming in every week from East coast Australia all the way to West Coast USA, the kind of land written way around the world. So we've got every time zone covered. So people are staying up till midnight to join book club, and people are waking up at 4 a.m. on the other end of the earth to join this, this meeting every week. So it's it's it's good fun. And I think we're quite a strong community now of of active discusses about all these all these interesting topics that we have to to work to work our way through.
U1
8:38
Excellent. And I'll put a link in the description so people can find out more about that. And I did just tweet that I could actually put my book forward to make me be read about the guide to, but
U2
8:48
yes, I will. I didn't write it, but 1s I did keep playing. So I want to I want to have a look at your book. So that would be a good way to do it. But we're in. Um, we're just doing mental health right now. Um, yeah. I guess that one would be I'm not sure what category that would be. And would it, would it just be general general cargo or.
U1
9:07
Well, anyway, I wasn't here to plug my book. I just hit me as maybe that would be something. Now, he talked about mental health. Um, there's also something else you're very much involved in, which is happening at the end of my set. The 18th, Sunday, the 19th, Monday, the 20th of May, which is the Public Health Collaboration conference. And I mean, one of the big key topics you're going to talk about is can you fix mental health through food? I know there's some other topics as well. So do you want to tell us a little bit more about the conference and some of the guests that, uh, it's pretty exciting meeting, isn't it?
U2
9:41
Yeah, I think so. I think it's going to be, um, our best conference yet, but, um, so yes, our conference is in London this year. Last year it was in Sheffield. So hopefully it's a lot more, uh, accessible for some. Not for everyone. Sorry, Stephen. Um, but, uh, it's in the south of London, and, um, we have a fantastic lineup planned, and we do have a focus on mental health this year. And there's been lots of, you know, work in this field. In fact, um, as I mentioned in Book club, um, a Georgia book we've just completed Change Your Diet, Change Your Mind, which was is a fantastic book, and we're actually having her on to interview her about it next week. So, um, it's something that the book club does every month. So we have the author on. So, um, so it's really very topical, I think, in our community to be exploring mental health and some of the results that are coming out. Even the study from Stanford last week are so promising in in terms of what they are showing as far as improvements and results and, um, and ways that we can use the ketogenic diet to really, really help people who are, um, have very, very difficult lives because of these issues. And the scale of it is quite incredible. And the public health collaboration we talk about, you know, how much, um, all of these chronic illnesses are costing the NHS in the UK. And, um, and the numbers are just, you know, astronomical. But mental health is even larger than that. All of those and, um, it really is a huge problem from a societal point of view in terms of the impact that it has. So, um, we are focusing on mental health this year. We have, uh, Doctor Rachael Brown, who is a consultant psychiatrist from Scotland coming down, and Doctor Ian Campbell, who's doing a research in Scotland as well on, um, ketogenic, uh, diet and bipolar, uh, Doctor Aaron Bellamy, who has done a PhD on this and um, and others as well. So there's a good chunk of time put aside for mental health. And we really hope that's going to help keep the conversation alive. Um, on on that really important topic.
U1
11:46
Yeah, I know it's not just about mental health. I mean, a couple of the other things I was really grabbed by was, does cholesterol cause heart disease? Does red meat shorten your lifespan? So don't think it's a three day thing. Just about that. You have one of my favorite authors I know we're talking about books actually a lot, but first. First up on Saturdays, Gary Taubes, of course. Well, that's very exciting, as I guess
U2
12:09
we're calling it the Dream Team. Um, type two diabetes panel. I mean, type two diabetes is what PhD was kind of born out of in terms of what it started to tackle first with, you know, Doctor David on being our scientific chair. So, um, that, uh, subjects is, is first off, the blocks. We've got Gary Taubes and David Unwin and Ken Berry. 1s All talking in that space and then on a panel together. So like we're calling it the dream team of, of of type two diabetes conversations. Yeah. Oh, that's that's a good one to get us off to a good start on the Saturday.
U1
12:43
Yeah. Now, you mentioned they slipped in. You know, it's difficult to get to some people, but I am actually going to be there. I'm definitely going to do it down in London. Of course I do have viewers that are not even in England. So you're offering a live stream as well, I understand.
U2
12:57
Yeah, that's right. And I think in particular for, um, for anyone outside the US, anyone in the UK that can't make it, we are offering a live stream. They went on sale last week and we have an early bird price on the live stream, so it's really worth trying to grab those sooner rather than later. Um, and I think some of the content that we have this year, we really have tried to design it to, um, to, to to help people find the information that they, they think that it might be missing if they're researching this area. And, I mean, I certainly do. I certainly do remember experiencing that I was trying to compare different diets and always found that a very difficult thing to do, and always found those very polarizing opinions on certain topics, but nobody quite bringing the information together. So you can kind of qualify the different arguments alongside each other. So, um, you were there last year, Steven, when we did, uh, a debate for the first time, which was, uh, do we need to eat plants? And that has, um, that's done really well on YouTube. There's a lot of positive engagement from that, from that, from that session. And I think there is a place for us to have these open discussions in a, in a, in a professional, scientific, structured way so that people can get the information that they need. This isn't about about one side winning. This isn't about, um, you know, trying to trying to create anything other than just very sensible, scientific based conversations. And so this year, we're trying to take that approach again on, on a, on a couple of topics that are generally can be a bit thorny. And one of them is does cholesterol cause heart disease. And we have Dave Feldman and Adrian Soto motor coming over from, um, us in Mexico. And um, and Dave is going to be sharing his recent LMR, um, results and what that's telling us about, uh, people who have high LDL, but, um, favorable triglyceride and HDL. What does that mean as far as, um, risk of heart disease? Um, and we have uh, we're going to have to now some more. But we do have, uh, one participant that we announced yesterday, Doctor Peter Landsburg, who is a very mainstream, uh, lipid ologist that is coming along to have that discussion with them. So we really do want to seal these ideas, you know, juxtaposed together. Let's let's see how it works when you when you start to challenge each other and get into the back and forth. And I think that's a really worth live stream. I wouldn't want to miss that because it won't be on YouTube for a long time. So, um, hopefully people will be interested in that kind of format. And, and we have another debate just like that on the Sunday, which is, does red meat shorten lifespan? And that's going to be Ben Beckman and Anthony Chaffey. And then, um, two other opposing speakers who we haven't announced yet. So. 1s Um, so really interesting, I think, to to have that kind of conversation starting to come through, because what we are very conscious of is that we don't want to we're not here to exist in a bubble and to just continue to grow. One argument in the hope that everyone will, will come to it. We want to expand. We want to bring people and we want to include different viewpoints and, and, and you know, and see how how they all fare against each other and keep an open mind. So so we think that's really exciting with live streaming info wherever you are. And we've also got some great, um, some great other discussions. We have one on ultra processed food and how we, um, how we, uh, safeguard the next generation from all the dangers of it. And we have, um, Eddie Abu, who many people might recently have become familiar with, um, who's attending that? And Jane Buxton is going to be chairing that panel talking about, uh, how we how we keep kids away from the stuff and how we educate them differently. And we actually have a program that is looking to formulate a curriculum, part of the curriculum in schools to actually help children understand how to avoid upset, understand what they are, understand how to read labels, how to compare labels, what all these things are on the labels, and to distinguish between what's good for them and what isn't. So we think there's a lot of work to do in that space as well. Um, I'm really excited to have Edie join us to talk about that, because he's obviously made droves of progress in bringing along a demographic that is generally very hard to bring along and to, to kind of change their mind on some things. So. So yeah, it's really exciting. So hopefully people will want to join us on live stream and we'd love to have you there as well. Yeah. You see the the the lineup is is is like you say the dream team and also it's very varied Eddie Abu, Doctor Kim Berry, Dave Feldman, Gary Taubes. You've got all these big names in this, in this community. And I think you're right about the echo chamber science side of things. I mean, I'm looking into LP little A, especially because, you know, I'm interested that in the Bloods as well as what I do with my coaching. And the best way to learn is to listen to the other side, because you can't you can't research something just by listening to people in the echo chamber giving you the same opinions. And of course, how can you argue a point unless you know what the point is that's being made in the first place. So I, I felt last year with the plant should be plants discussion. And I will be honest, I was the person that heckled at the beginning when he said the question is should we eat plants? And I shouted out, no, look, it's got a very big laugh. And um, it was it was a great discussion. It was it's really good to hear both sides, whether you know you're open to it or not, is down to you, but you've got to hear what the opinions are to be able to make your own decision and, and, and feel comfortable with it. So I, I think it's great to have that and have people from the other side in inverted commas. Um, I think Saturday for me we covered quite well. I mean, you start with Gary Taubes and then at 1015 you've got Ken Berry, who is like the biggest influencer, I suppose, in this space, uh, a family physician and obviously, you know, well-liked and with a lot of followers. But I think all the way through, you know, David unwind and you've got, uh, you've got who else have we got here? We've there's there's too many, isn't there, Helen Gowers, you know, with her, with her, um, lifestyle club, which is really good, you know. And I just can't wait, actually, and just can't wait. Christine Hill, the Food Rebellion you were talking about. Yeah. Do you
U1
19:25
feel do you feel that, um. 1s The mental health thing on Sunday. You know, he got like, hey, Doctor Rachael Brown, do you think that mental health has surprised people? Um, I did a coaching, um, call yesterday, and this morning I did an interview with someone who looks so healthy as a personal trainer and was saying that she had the biggest problem getting people to understand she was not well because her problem was mental health. She she bought into the game changers, she did vegan and her mental health got even worse and she wasn't taken seriously. You know, even in this day and age, I think people underestimate the mental health. And she said, my biggest problem and not being big headed was I looked great, but inside I was numb. I felt like I was completely disconnected and it's only carnivore. Um, sorry to the people that like, um, low carb and ketone, but it was only carnivore that actually made her reconnect with the world. Do you do you think this is going to be something that is going to be more prominent and it's going to be less about weight loss, for instance?
U2
20:31
You know, I do, actually. I think what is different about the mental health one. And I was talking to, um, Doctor Aaron Bellamy, and if you know her about this, where, you know, we've for many years been on this, um, you trying to push, like, hard for certain health conditions that tend to be the physical side of the of the equation, you know, the kind of the type two diabetes. And it's taken a long time to really get some traction because people have been pushing that for, for physical conditions for many, many years. But we think that we've got this theory that there's going to be a bit of a, you know, an efficiency that comes almost like an economy of scale at some point that kicks in, where the tipping point might come sooner for for some of the newer, um, conditions that can be improved with diet. Um, because a, there is just a little bit more of an understanding of, of, of diet in general playing a big role in anything. Um, but also because I think with mental health is I think the barrier people understanding mental health isn't to do with the ketogenic diet or the carnivore diet is to do with diets in general. Like, I don't think people understand enough about how diet can play a role in mental health. People just find that too far removed in the kind of equation of things to to consider that there could be any real effect and they'd obviously not, um, close to how the body works. And, you know, the kind of the gut brain health, um, highway and all of the, the kind of the links there. But, um, you know, with books like Brain Energy and, and and change your diet, change your mind. I really think that actually it could leapfrog some of the others. Um, because it is such a clear benefit. And there's a space where there is nothing else that's really coming out as a solution. And it could actually now we got research coming out from Stanford, as well as so many pieces of research that are, um, are being are being funded by, you know, people like, uh, Mizuki, that it could actually take off in a way that maybe goes quicker, faster than some of the others. Um, so we do need to just keep supporting it and trying to get this message out there, because it's just such a powerful, powerful tool that we have that we're not availing of at the moment.
U1
22:43
Yeah. And it's strange because in sport, I mean, my background many years ago, uh, was in France, personal trainer. And I managed to get someone to the Olympics. And you know what? Most of the time we spent on focusing and visualizing what we're doing, uh, mindset positivity. And, you know, I did a talk in that arena and I can remember saying, firstly, let's do a real basic thought experiment. I've got two twins that walk in, and they both want to break the 100 meter record for sprinting, and they're sort of near the top of their game. And the first one speaks to me and says, there's no way on earth I'm going to do this. This is not going to happen. And the second twin says, I feel this is inmate. I think I can do this. Now, if you as a betting person, who would you bet? I used to do this to the delegates. Who would you bet is going to probably do well and they would all go with a positive person. I said, well, there you go straight away. You do definitely believe that there is a connection between physical performance, your body and what your mental state is. Once you realize that, then you can expand that into many other areas. That nutrition can affect your brain, which which is without a doubt, because then I talked about hunger. You know, when you're really hungry, do you feel you're performing best, or is your mind thinking about other things? If you had a test, would you go in? Um, and you've just eaten a great big meal and, and had drinks and dessert? Or would you go in trying to feel lean and really on it? So I think, um, although that's very basic, it still gets the premise across that there's definitely a connection. And, and I see it time and time again in coaching that mental clarity or lack of brain fog. However, some, you know, tells me about it. What they're essentially saying is they're operating a different level, uh, and the body composition. So the other thing is what you mentioned there was, uh, they even took coaching to change their body composition. And within a few weeks it's like, well, I've lost a bit of weight, but I'm so happy with how I'm thinking. Can't believe how alert I am. So I do feel that the more we talk about this, and the more people come to the floor and say how they're feeding. 1s The bigger it will be. There's also that taboo, isn't there, about mental health. People don't want to say they're depressed. People don't want to say that they feel stressed or they're anxious. They feel that it's still looked down upon. And I think that's the other thing that's going to come from talking about this. And it will bring more people to the fore, too, to actually admit I'm struggling. I'm really struggling. Only last night, Jane was, you know, coming back. My wife was coming back from a trip to Sheffield, strangely enough, and there was somebody wanting to jump off a bridge. And we were talking about, you know, the police were all there. How how can people get to that state where they're so, so anxious and feel so isolated that their only solution is to do something like that? So I think that's one of the things that's going to come from these sort of conferences is, I mean, I know Doctor Rachel Brown, I've had her on the panel. You know, you can get a nicer person that will talk about this in a way that makes you think, yeah, we just need to be honest in this conversation. And I think, I think, um, diet is definitely underestimated, you know, and medications are thrown at people. And in the end, if you're not feeding your brain, right, as Doctor Jorja Reed is saying, that it's not going to function right. To me, it seems obvious, actually. So, um, yeah, I'm really I'm really excited about that. That's on Sunday, isn't it? That's the the panel with Doctor Campbell as well. And Erin Bellamy, I think you said so.
U2
26:24
And it's really based professionals on the mental health one in particular are all UK based. You know, these are doctors that are in the NHS system and and making these changes from within as well. So that's something we believe in very, very strongly. And obviously everything that PHC is about is trying to change a system, not just not just be out there educating people and empowering them. That's a huge part of what we do. But, um, you know, what we believe is as important and that we have taken on as a responsibility is, you know, some of the other parts of the agenda there, Stephen, that you touched on, where we have projects in play that are changing the system as we know it. So if you want to have somebody, um, in your family that is past the country and files that they've got type two diabetes, if you want to make sure that they get a low carb, um, you know, structured approach to managing that when they go to see their own GP, then that's the kind of service we're trying to make sure it is widely available. Um, similarly with food addiction, it's a service to help people who really struggle there. So, um, you know, we're actually trying to change the health system. And in the case of the Real Food Rebellion, we're trying to change the education system so that people understand and children in particular understand, um, right from the get go, how to navigate. It's the position of needing to to see their GP, GP for any of these diseases. So you know, as much just as as we are about educating people, it is about getting the system changed. So if anyone's in any doubt about whether it supports us, this is me totally plugging. Plugging us now because we are a charity, we're not for profit and everything that we every proceed that we make goes towards those programs, which is changing the system. So if you want to see the system changed, then we are a fantastic organization that is trying to do that, um, grassroots up, but also, you know, coordinating at the top where there is interest to hear from us as well.
U1
28:16
Yeah. And I think, you know, there will be links in the description for all these things. If you want to support the fsck, you can do that. If you want to book the live stream, you can. If you want to attend in person, you can uh, just sort of some housekeeping. Then on the live streams, if you, um, book that, will there be playback? So do they only get the chance to watch it live or they'll be able to watch their, their leisure,
U2
28:38
they'll be able to watch it for I think it's a few weeks afterwards. It will be available on the same platform once you have purchased the, um, purchased the live stream so you don't have to watch it live, but you can watch it shortly after. But it will be a lot sooner than when it'll be, you know, fully available on YouTube. That will be some some months down the line.
U1
28:57
Yeah that's great. And I think that that's brilliant that you do that because last year's Sheffield thing, there's more and more online recently on YouTube. So it's really nice for people that you know where budget is tight. Um, then they can still get that information. And then, you know, you're finishing the Sunday pretty strong. You've got Doctor Anthony Chaffey, you've got Benjamin Bateman, you've got Jane Buxton and Eddie Abu. So you've got some really popular people, big names there with lots of, um, lots of followers and lots of knowledge. And I think that's going to be an interesting one about that. Does red meat shorten lifespan? Because I recently did an interview with with Anthony actually about it. And, um, the amount of comments saying this just can't be true. This can't be true. I think there is a lot of interest because there's so much misinformation out there, isn't there?
U2
29:46
Yeah. I mean, one of the biggest challenges, um, you know, I did mention earlier about having these kind of debates is getting people to come and have the discussion with us. I mean, that is without a doubt, um, you know, one of the, the, the biggest overheads to taking this approach is very easy to get people who are in our low carb space to come along and talk about, you know, what they normally talk about to a very friendly audience, but you know, the kind of people that will have a different opinion on red meat don't necessarily want to come and talk about it. So, um, so it's, so it's, it's harder, but I think it's worth it. Um, but, um, you know, I do wish that we would change our way of thinking about about being in different camps and being, you know, seeing this as some kind of diet war, um, game that we're playing. We just want to talk about nutrition and have these open conversations so that people commenting on that, on that post, like you said, should be able to find out the answer, like they've heard something very different. So let's bring all those views together. You know, um, we should all be open to, to to coming to coming to the table.
U1
30:48
Yeah. And I think that's one of the things. It's very strange for me because I'm pretty placid and I don't swear I don't get angry. And if I see something from a follower that, you know, from an influencer that you know I respect but disagree with, I'll always put a polite coming in and say, well, I see you're pushing 400g of carbohydrates. You know, I don't think that's right. Um, this is a real thing that recently happened. And instead of talking about the data or what I'm saying and I just got, uh. Well, you're pretty miserable. I'm glad you're not following me anymore. That was Thomas de Lauer. And you just think, well, I'm only querying this huge amount of carbohydrates, so it's it's a very odd thing, but, um, people don't want to engage in an intelligent conversation sometimes, and it's surprising people as well. Anyway, um, I think we've covered as much as I wanted to waffle on about it. Uh, do you have anything else you want to to add in while you're here? Olivia?
U2
31:45
Um, I don't think so. I think I waffled on about everything I needed to waffle on about. So I think it's always good to. Always good to chat. Um, and, yeah, just looking forward to seeing you and seeing everyone. Everyone together. It's a very it's almost like having a wedding, you know, and everyone that, you know, in every space is suddenly going to be in the same place. It's very, very exciting. So, um, I can't wait to can't wait for that to happen.
U1
32:08
Yeah, I think I, I'm actually really excited. And I think the names that you've got there, the people you've got coming, uh, I didn't know a couple of them. And that's the other good thing about these conferences. You, you, you find another voice to listen to. And that voice might be slightly different. They might have a slightly different opinion and have all the studies to back it up or real world experience. I mean, I'll use Doctor David Unwin as a, as a perfect example. I think, you know, he keeps his light under a bushel in comparison to how successfully is with reversing diabetes. This, this this guy should be everywhere. You know. He he is brilliant and he is very good with the data, very unassuming. So I'm hoping I'll find another day done when I'll find another person that I can look into who maybe isn't get the the exposure they need um, or deserve from from the work they're doing. So I want to thank you for the work you're doing to push, uh, push and promote this. Uh, sadly, in this world, we have to do this with, the only way you're going to get people to come is to tell people about it and promote it, and keep putting the information up and saying, well, you know, this is what we will be covering. Does this sound interesting? Look at these great speakers. So over the next couple of months, because we're recording this, you know, at the beginning of April up until the end of my I'll be putting out reels and shorts and I'm sorry if it's too much, but I just think it's such a valuable experience. If you can't get there in person, do it on the live stream. I can assure you, you you will be glad that you've watched it. I really think it's fabulous. So thanks again, Olivia.
U2
33:41
And I think it's really great to just kind of underline that it, you know, you talked about maybe I do the next day. Onward. It's such a great community to be there in person if you can be, because every one of the feedback we get every single year is people just leave on a high. They get to know people they never thought they imagined they would know. Um, and it's just good fun. It's just a really great atmosphere to be with so many like minded people who are all really healthy and living the best that they can, and just want to promote that and pay it forward. So, um, it's a very positive space to be. So we really hope people can make it along if they can.
U1
34:15
Yeah. You see on the biggest thing for me is last year I met the wonderful Ben Berkman, had a couple of selfies with him and both times got my eyes shut. So this time I'm going to try and have a decent picture with him. But anyway, that's
U2
34:27
coming back for you. That's why Stephen.
U1
34:30
So thank you very much.