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A Singer, A Stockbroker, And The Price Of Live Music with Shell Lynch
A name with three versions, a yellow Corolla packed with dreams, and a pocket full of maps: that’s how Shell left Miami for Queens and built a life equal parts hustle and heart. We go deep into his winding path from singing with his brothers to turning a mall menswear store into a profit machine, from Broadway auditions and Stephen Scott’s A-list bands to a chance encounter that opened the door to Cold Blue. Then, in a twist few saw coming, he sat for the Series 7, survived the grind on his fourth try, and lived the Wall Street life by weekday while fronting packed dance floors on weekends—before selling his book, investing in real estate, and re-centering on music.
We trade the kind of road stories only working players know: subbing into bands where everyone stares at iPads and nobody calls a cue, count-offs that start fights, and why ten musicians can feel one groove ten different ways. The takeaway for bandleaders is simple and actionable—tighten communication, protect the rhythm section chemistry, and use clicks and cues as tools, not crutches. We also tackle the money: why $120 bar calls for three hours are breaking pros, how hobbyist saturation confuses buyers, and what it takes to restore value with better presentation, stage management, and transparent rate tiers.
And yes, we confront the AI wave head-on: fully artificial “artists,” deepfakes that hijack faces and voices, and crowds cheering for screens. There’s room for smart tools—sketching keys, generating arrangement ideas—but the final cut should be human. Live music still wins because thousands of tiny, in-the-moment choices create a feeling you can’t fake. We saw it after 9/11 when showcases packed out and couples booked weddings in record numbers. When the world tilts, people want the band in the room. If you care about the future of gigs, the craft of performance, and why bass-and-drums chemistry decides the night, you’ll feel at home here.
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Okay, so this is episode twenty-seven of On Drums. I'm John Simeone. I have my friend Shell Lynch. Oh sh N Shell or what Alan? Alan Lynch? What the fuck's your name?
SPEAKER_00:What is your name? Shell Lynch.
SPEAKER_01:No, no, it's Shelly Lynch. What's Nishelle? What's Alan?
SPEAKER_00:Here's the story. Um so my grandmother likes Alan.
SPEAKER_01:Okay.
SPEAKER_00:She liked she wanted me to have my name. You're gonna blame your grandmother on this? To be Alan. Okay. Uh my my mom liked Nichelle.
SPEAKER_01:Nichelle.
SPEAKER_00:Nichelle.
SPEAKER_01:Ma Bell.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, exactly. So uh basically to appease my grandmother, my mom put Alan on my birth certificate.
SPEAKER_01:And uh they called you Nichelle, but you're used to Alan. But it's after Shell.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:So we call you Shell.
unknown:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Because I never heard Nichelle until like Yeah, but because I I never liked Nichelle because like um when I you know went to school, everyone even the ones that knew how to pronounce Nichelle, they would call they would say Michelle.
SPEAKER_01:Right. You know, just sounds a little gay. Yeah, exactly. Guys when I first met you, I thought you were gay. Yeah. I could have sworn you were gay.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I thank you, John.
SPEAKER_01:I don't know why I thought that. You looked gay.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, beautiful, beautiful. Yeah. Anyway, anyway, that's all Shell and I we met. Like, how many years ago?
SPEAKER_01:How many years ago was that? Shell?
SPEAKER_00:It was like uh exactly 1998. 98 when I came in.
SPEAKER_01:Twenty five years ago, twenty-six years ago.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. 1998. That's when I started uh with Cold Blue.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I remember it like the back of my hand. It was in September. And the first gig I was at it was in Queens or something. It was right off the Cross Island. You could see the place right off of Cross Island. Yep.
SPEAKER_01:Wow.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. Yep. I'll never forget it. I'll never forget it either.
SPEAKER_01:Because that's when you started doing ho, ho. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Sean saw dollar signs on this.
SPEAKER_00:He saw a dollar sign. That was the um I was actually talking with someone uh the other day, and um they were asking me sort of uh uh this guy in the neighborhood, he's a musician as well, sort of asking me about, you know, my early days and how I got started and this and any other, you know, and I I basically I was telling him, you know, I've never uh professed myself to be the best singer in the world. I I know I'm definitely not uh as good as a lot of the singers out there. So I had to fall on something else to sort of get me by to sort of, you know, sort of mask the fact that I wasn't the best singer. So I started, you know, with all of the the little added stuff that I do and my performance. And uh you know, you know, going out and you know, moving around and jumping up and down. And so, you know, I I know how the brain works. I I I I understood how the brain works uh from an early age, um that you can only concentrate on one thing at a time. So if you if you're sitting there and you're just listening to my voice and you're listening to all the stuff that I'm doing wrong. Oh no, see I don't I don't agree with that. But if if I can distract your attention and jump around a little bit and blah, blah, blah.
SPEAKER_01:I disagree, just so you know.
SPEAKER_00:But uh But actually that that's how I started doing that too. Oh, that's okay. So it's like a Yeah. But I I've I've basically I've been performing since uh I've my earliest memories of We're talking about music now. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Uh my earliest memories of being on stage with my brothers uh was like around 12 years.
SPEAKER_01:Alright, so go go give me that whole thing. Because I don't really know your history. You you were born in Florida.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, Miami Beach.
SPEAKER_01:Miami Beach. Yeah, right. And and when did you start this whole thing?
SPEAKER_00:Um Like how did it start? It's how did singing start? Singing started from my father. My father was a singer. Oh yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:He was he was uh in a do-op-in, and uh that's how he actually met my mother because my singing? Yeah, my my mother lived across from him, and all of the neighbors used to throw rocks and bricks or whatever they could at the at the bathroom window to make him shut up because every time he took a shower, everybody in the neighborhood knew he was in the shower because he would be singing the whole time. So uh yeah, my mother lived in a um in an apartment like across from him, and she used to listen to him sing all the time. And he finally got up the curve to the show. That's how you get the chicks, man. You see, that's how that's it. That's it.
SPEAKER_01:Drummers don't get the chicks. They're in the back getting yelled at.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Drummers get the chicks at the end.
SPEAKER_01:Drummers don't get the chicks, man. No, they don't get the chicks. No.
SPEAKER_00:But yeah, that's that's how it all started through my father.
SPEAKER_01:Um so in Florida, did you do gigs in Florida or not?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, forget about it. I did everything in Florida. That's why I'm in New York. Because uh growing up in Florida, um, my brothers had me in well, my one brother, my brother Tony, had me in like strip clubs and nightclubs from from like when I was like 13, 14 years old. Strip clubs? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stripping or what were you doing? No, I was I I was definitely in places that I shouldn't have been at 13 years.
SPEAKER_01:That's why you're so fucked up because of that strip.
SPEAKER_00:Without a doubt. Without a doubt, without a doubt. You you got that right. But um, yeah, yeah, so that's that's how it started. And uh growing up, we like most kids our age, um, uh especially when you come from a big family like mine, uh, five boys, we would, you know, throw on uh my mother's afro wigs and putting it.
SPEAKER_01:It was five five boys.
SPEAKER_00:Uh five boys and four girls.
SPEAKER_01:What what?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Nine.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Nine lynches? I didn't know that. How many years I see 26 years I didn't even know that you were like from a litter.
SPEAKER_00:No joke. Wow. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So you could have been like the Jackson. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I know, I know, I know. It was a lot of fun, man. It was a lot of fun. And, you know, dancing around and pretending to be Michael Jackson. Um, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Wow.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So you did gigs in Florida, and then when I was in a couple of bands. Uh you went to high school in Florida.
SPEAKER_00:I went to high school in Florida.
SPEAKER_01:And then you graduated high school, and then what happened?
SPEAKER_00:Uh when I graduated, I immediately went into this trade um school, and that took me to North Carolina. That was my first experience outside of Florida. Okay. So I I went to this trade school, which was BS. I just wanted to get out of the house. I wanted I knew I wasn't going to college. I knew that wasn't for me, you know. So um so I experienced this trade school. And uh so that was a great experience because I spent about How many years in trade school? I think it was about a year and a half or two years, something like that. I think I experienced at least two winters in North Carolina. Raleigh, North Carolina.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I like Raleigh.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, it was a great experience. Great people. Um, I joined a doop uh singing group there. We toured around Raleigh. Uh we were very popular. Um, and when I got back home after that experience, um I wasn't home only for a couple of months or something. And I remember that was around the time where a lot of um like the breakdancing and all of that stuff had started to be very popular. And every Wait, what year was that? That was like That was like early 80s. Early 80s, yes. Early 80s, yeah. And so um, so every movie that I went to, every television program I turned on, everything was New York, New York, New York, New York. And at that time, um I was already involved in like several different bands. Like I had played every place that you could possibly want to play in Miami. Um The Fountain Blue, uh I And with the Duo band? Uh no, no, no, with with with the band. This band's name was Phantasm was the name of the band.
SPEAKER_01:And um Phantasm was a movie too, wasn't it?
SPEAKER_00:Yes, yes. Exactly, exactly. But uh yeah, so uh the bands that I was involved in, I did everything from I I've performed in like uh beach concerts, five, ten thousand people on Miami Beach. I did that, I did all of the little bars and every place that you could want to play in Florida, I played. So I was sort of sick of it, and I said, Wow, I need something different. And once again, going to the movies and things like that, everything pointed to New York.
SPEAKER_02:Right.
SPEAKER_00:So I was working at the time at this warehouse. I saved uh$7,000. I bought a little yellow Toyota Corolla from my neighbor. Um, I had a couple of cars, but they uh, you know, I I didn't trust them to come to New York. So I so I bought my neighbor's car. It was a bright yellow Toyota Corolla, and I packed up all my stuff and I told my family, I said, listen, I'm going to New York. Nobody believed me. Nobody believed me. Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. Uh-huh, yeah, yeah. Because, you know, I'd never been in New York, didn't know anyone in New York. Um, and I just decided that.
SPEAKER_01:That's pretty ballsy, Shelly. It was, it was.
SPEAKER_00:Um, never driven that far ever before. And each couple of states I would pull over, I would buy a map that would because I those were the map days, yes.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there wasn't a map that went from Miami to New York. So every couple of states I would have to pull over.
SPEAKER_01:Like the Rand McNally map.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So um, so yeah, and I ended up uh in New York. Um, but you ended up on Long Island, right? No, I ended up in Queens. Oh, Queens. I uh yeah, yeah. I ended up in Oh right.
SPEAKER_01:You were in Queens.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, I was in Queens.
SPEAKER_01:Wait, um like f near Francis Lewis Boulevard or something?
SPEAKER_00:I was I forget.
SPEAKER_01:I remember coming there. I was in Queens. It was uh maybe not. I I'm thinking what part of Queens?
SPEAKER_00:It was near Rockaway Boulevard. Oh, okay, Rockaway Boulevard. It was in uh Rosedale. Rosedale, Queens.
SPEAKER_01:Rosedale, Queens.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I first came to New York, it was St. Albans, Queens. Okay.
SPEAKER_01:And so I So wait, were you living there when you got hired in the band that we played in?
SPEAKER_00:No. You weren't living there?
SPEAKER_01:Where were you living? Uh wait, go ahead, keep going. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_00:I'm interrupting you. I was I was living in Queens, but yeah, yes. I I was in Rosedale, Queens. I wasn't in St. Albans, Queens. Um when I first arrived in New York, I was in St. Albans.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so you get to New York and what then what?
SPEAKER_00:I found a place to stay, like I had uh like six thousand dollars in my pocket. So I found a place to stay, and within the week of me being here, I got a job at Green Acres Mall. And uh Oh, is that a men in the men's store? The men's store in Green Acres Mall, yeah. Um in which I ended up becoming a partner in um later down the line because I I went in, the the place was just a regular kind of a dumpy kind of thing. And I turned the place around and the guy gave me a partnership. So uh so I ended up being a partner there. And now this whole time that I'm there, I'm also uh doing auditions on uh for Broadway. I'm also uh I'm with a singing coach in the city.
SPEAKER_01:I mean I just hook up with all those people, like being here, not being from here.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, just um I hooked up with an agency and I also looked through uh I don't know if they still have that around. I don't I believe it was called Backstage. You remember that paper? What is that? Oh, oh a paper. No. Yeah, yeah. It was a it was a um publication um featuring like what was going on on Broadway and in the music.
SPEAKER_01:For those of you who are listening, a newspaper is a a pa thing made of paper that has print on it. Yes, exactly. And you used to have to read it. Yes, it was weird.
SPEAKER_00:Backstage.
SPEAKER_01:It didn't light up, it didn't plug in. Right, exactly. You could burn it if you wanted.
SPEAKER_00:Yep, yeah. So um so yeah. And uh so I found an agency, I found a company I was working for doing a little bit of modeling. So when I when I got here Because you're a good looking dude. Oh, thank you. You are, man.
SPEAKER_01:If I was if I was a black woman, I would.
SPEAKER_00:And and I always thought you were. Wow, you're not. Oh my god. I can't believe it.
SPEAKER_01:But I am bisexual. Hello.
SPEAKER_00:That's that's it. That's the connection.
unknown:Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god. That is what I missed. I wish I could have that every week. Call me up on the gigs. I'll sing to you or something. Yeah, yeah. That'll be hilarious. Cool, cool.
SPEAKER_01:All right, so go ahead.
SPEAKER_00:So you were doing uh so yeah, so I was uh involved in, you know, going on auditions like uh twice, three times a week in in the city, back and forth, this and that. Um and then I my first uh opportunity to start working as far as singing on the weekends was this um this indie independent um company that I worked for. This guy, I forgot his name was Ralph or something. And you know, we used to do jersey gigs, gigs in Philly and stuff like that. That was a little bit much for me. So I started working with Stephen Scott. Oh and I was with Stephen Scott for a while for a few years, and that was a great experience. Uh worked with a a band, uh one of their A bands, uh 747, and then I worked with Right.
SPEAKER_01:They had some good bands back there. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Seven and and they were all named after airlines, like seven seven forty seven, seven twenty-seven, you know, stuff like that. So that was a great experience. And uh from there I um oh, Tommy Patron. I don't know if I what can actually call names, but Tommy Patron um actually stopped in my store in Green Acres Mall one day, heard me singing, uh we exchanged numbers. Uh we didn't What?
SPEAKER_01:I had no I've never heard this story. Tommy Patron is the reason that I'm in cold blue. Tommy went into the Green Acres Mall.
SPEAKER_00:Went into the Green Acres Mall. And he came in, wandered in my store. Uh I don't know if he came there specifically for me or whatever, because I can't picture Tommy even being in the type of store that I was actually selling clothes in. Yeah, right, right. And and the fashion there was like so far forward, it was just like unbelievable. But I I forgot how it how it came about, but he wandered into the store. Um, we exchanged numbers, and we didn't uh get in touch with each other for I think it had to be at least a year.
SPEAKER_01:So Tommy must have referred you to because Tommy was in cold blue.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01:And I guess Tommy's also a singer.
SPEAKER_00:Awesome singer. Yes. Singer, songwriter, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Producer, all that good stuff. And I guess he must have uh when the opening came in Cold Blue, he must have uh recommended me.
SPEAKER_01:I'm trying to think when the opening came. Um that must have been Mike Burrell, right? You replaced Mike?
SPEAKER_00:No, Burrell was still in the band.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, he was still in the band. So who'd you replace? Yeah, I don't know. I guess they just added you. Yeah, they're like you know, why don't I remember this? I I don't remember this. I I do remember that you when you joined what what year was it? 90 what? 98. So 98, remember when you did join the band you were a broker.
SPEAKER_00:Well yes, yes, Wall Street. Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_01:So when did that all like how did that all fit into singing in the Green Acres Mall?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. So I ended up meeting um uh the girl that I was involved with uh at the time. You were involved with a girl? Uh hello. Oh my god. Several Oops, I shouldn't say that. But uh yeah. But this chick uh we ended up going to a party, uh, her girlfriend and her husband, and they were in this tremendous they lived in this tremendous home. And I was like, holy shit, like what is this guy doing? He was a broker. He was a broker, yeah. And the very next day, it was a Saturday night, the very next day I went out, I bought a paper, you know, that thing that you have to read. Right, you can burn burn. That's that's it. So I I bought a paper the very next day. I found a uh a Wall Street firm. I went on an interview and I was hired within like two days of me experiencing that on on so that was.
SPEAKER_01:Wait, you just got hired as a stockbroker?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. But you have to have No, no, I was I was a trainee. So they they bought me in. So I actually started working for the firm on Tuesday. They bought me in. Uh I had to train for my series seven, which was a mother of those.
SPEAKER_01:So you do have to take a test that makes sense.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my yes, it's like it is the most difficult test you'd ever have to take. They say the series seven is harder than like being a doctor. It's just unbelievable. No matter how much you study, when it comes down to actually taking the test, it looked nothing like anything that you studied. So it's not something that you have to go on memory, you have to know I failed it three times.
SPEAKER_01:Really?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, my my firm was actually getting ready to kick me out. I said, I promise you, you give me one more shot. Because listen, I this guy, his his home was so amazing, and then this guy was young. Yeah, I was like, I gotta make, I gotta get into involved in whatever it is that this guy. Yeah, I wish I had done that actually. Yeah, it was it was amazing. So uh so my fourth time taking the series seven. Um I actually passed it. I was very surprised and very, very happy. And uh yeah, so I started working on Wall Street.
SPEAKER_01:Uh so then wait, so now you're working on Wall Street, but you were working on Wall Street when you joined the band.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:But still at the Green Acres Mall?
SPEAKER_00:I still had partnership in the Green Acres Mall. We we had two stores. We had one in the Green Acres Mall, and then we had another one in Roosevelt Field. So I was still partners in that um before I ended up selling out my portion. Gotcha. And uh just being involved. Because, you know, it was just it was crazy. Uh there's no way I could still do the retail thing fully uh with being on Wall Street. So yeah, um yeah, I was on the street.
SPEAKER_01:So you go into the city every day for the Wall Street thing? Every day.
SPEAKER_00:I absolutely loved it. And then working on working with us on weekends? Oh the chicks that I oh on the train. Get off the subject. Oh my God, oh my god. I know, New York City. Yeah. It was the best time of my life, I'm telling you. It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You don't have to tell me. I know. I know all about it, yeah. The city's still like that, right? Except now we're old and like they feel bad for us.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and a guy in a suit and tie, forget about it. That's like Wall Street guy and your briefcase, you know.
SPEAKER_01:I do a little singing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, exactly. It was awesome. It was awesome.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, so uh did the Wall Street thing and But I remember you did it when because I don't know, I was in the band with you for like what 15 years or something. Yeah. At least, right? Fifteen, fifteen. I was in the band I think at least fifteen years with you. Right. Um but you I remember you being most of the time doing the brokering thing.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. I I started uh I think I started on the. That's how we met, by the way. We met in the band, right? In the band. Right. Yeah. I think I I think my phone is ringing. Sorry. Come on.
SPEAKER_01:Come on.
SPEAKER_00:It's one of the What does she want now?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, it's another one of the it's the yeah. Yeah. They got a tracking device on you.
SPEAKER_00:That's what it is. I I'm sitting in one spot too long.
SPEAKER_01:There's an Apple AirTag up your ass.
SPEAKER_00:That's it. That's it. Yes, yes, yes. So yeah, yeah. Um yeah, I was I was there for a while, and I think um uh uh retired in You left Brokering.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, oh five, is that what it was? And then you were doing just the band? Because the band was oh five, the band was busy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, the band was very busy in 05, and that was. I think it was like over a hundred at that time. Yeah, yeah. That was one of the things that made me feel very comfortable with leaving. Right. You know, because I was you know, still having a lot of people.
SPEAKER_01:Because you know, lead singers get paid way more than drummers. Yeah, that's just because that's fair. You get to show up late, you don't have to learn any songs.
SPEAKER_00:Don't have to handle handle any I don't need roadies, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Don't have to wrap a wire, just get the fuck out, get in get in your Porsche, drive home.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh um speaking of wrapping wires, I don't know if I I should say, but um, when I first joined Code Blue, when I first got in the band, uh one of the very first things Mike Burrell told me, did I tell you?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, don't I think you did. Yeah, tell me.
SPEAKER_00:Don't what would you say don't um uh don't afford myself or something. Don't don't offer to do anything extra. Right. Don't wrap wires. Mike was hilarious. Oh my god. I miss Mike, man. He was just he was the best. So funny, man. He was the best. He was the best.
SPEAKER_01:He really was. He just was, you know, I I just enjoyed being him. I used to drive to the gigs with him. Oh, really? Yeah, I used to because you know Yeah, most of the time I drove him. Well, you you weren't his type, so I mean No, no, I he liked the fat fat men. Whatever.
SPEAKER_00:The Pillbury Doughboys.
SPEAKER_01:You know what I remember doing a gig I don't know if I should say this, but remember doing a gig. We did a couple Kobe did a couple of gigs at bars. I don't know if you were in the band.
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_01:Um Yeah, it was kind of fun. We did we did some gigs and I forget the bar. But Mike was in the band, and we all knew Mike was Mike was gay and he liked heavy men, right? And he brought his boyfriend around. And his boyfriend got drunk. Oh my god. Tell the story. He got his boyfriend got drunk and and then we're packing up. I'm bringing my drum to the car, and his boyfriend's in the parking lot throwing up in the parking lot. And then and Sean said to me, see that guy throwing up over there? Mike's gonna take him home and and do him. And it's like, oh my god, this is like the pinnacle of my career right here. This poor guy throwing up in the parking lot.
SPEAKER_00:If I if I remember correctly, you guys describe it as he was projectile vomiting. Projectile vomiting, yeah. Projectile vomiting.
SPEAKER_01:I don't even think he knew he was doing it.
SPEAKER_00:Oh my god, that is just too funny.
SPEAKER_01:Burrell used to tell me funny stories though. Like like this it's just let's let's keep going. Because I don't want to go, I don't want to go too far left on this.
SPEAKER_00:So um, so I I uh I I sold part of my my book on Wall Street.
SPEAKER_01:Um they call it selling a book when you sell your chair or whatever's it. What are they called?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, when I when you have clients and uh and you no longer uh are going to service them, you know, you can sell your book. So I so I sold my book and uh I went and invested uh my money in uh real estate. Oh, right, so now you're doing that. You're still doing that, right? You're doing real estate. I'm selling real estate for a company. I bought real estate as an investor. Yeah, yeah. So and now you sell real estate. And now I sell real estate, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, and you do the band. Yes, and got it. So how's the real estate thing going?
SPEAKER_00:Uh real estate is great. Uh I'm going through another uh transition now because of just some flaky stuff that happened in my office. But uh I'm I'm looking to start with another office soon. Probably within the same company, but it's just a different office. Yeah, yeah. So cool.
SPEAKER_01:So let me ask you this.
SPEAKER_00:What's your opinion on uh here we go? Why we go the first pitch. This is a serious question.
SPEAKER_01:I forgot what I was gonna say then. No, what what is your opinion on Oh boy Well, because let me just tell you some of my experiences. Since I've not been in the band, like uh I've been subbing with with bands. And it's it's so bizarre to me like the mindset and the way bands work. Like I used I bes specifically remember subbing on a band with a band, and I was the sub. I was the not the guy in the band, right? Right, right. So they're playing you know, this is they give me a song list or whatever. I don't you know million songs or whatever. So start to play, and they're all talking bullshitting with me, talking, you know, okay, they're nice guys or whatever. The downbeat comes and they all start. So they all start looking right at their iPads and not at me. So I'm like looking like what's the next one. And they start doing trend, like they start doing segues. They still look at how would I know that somebody could somebody just fucking tell me give me a tempo, wave a hand. Oh my god, nothing. They just kept going like they thought I was the the regular drummer. And that's happened more than one time. Oh my god. Like I like I'm I'm like pleased to somebody can somebody give me a cutoff. You know, so I'm still playing. Like, come on, man. Anything. Nod your head. Don't sneeze in my direction of anything. And it's it's happened more than once, man. I I just don't get it. Like I don't I don't get and here's I got a Well well maybe maybe they just know how fabulous you are. And you're such a great drummer. Right, yeah. And here's the other thing that pisses me off, especially singers, you singer assholes.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, don't you just love us?
SPEAKER_01:I can't tell you how many bands I've subbed in where they call tune I know, let's say uh um um the Barry White tune. Okay? What's the name of that fucking song? Um Um Yeah, see, we can't even, we're too old.
SPEAKER_00:You don't remember shit.
SPEAKER_01:We just Barry White. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00:That's why I don't know the name of the tune because we just say Barry White. You can't get enough.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so they call the tune. I go, great. And then I say, so to this to the singer who sings it, can you can you give me a tempo? No, no, no, you count it off. So I go, okay, one, two, three, four, we start the tune. Hey, hey, no, no, faster, faster. Like, why couldn't you just count the tune off? What do you why do you have to now speed up and try to get to some mysterious tempo that nobody knows?
SPEAKER_00:Great, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I I know we used to drive you crazy with that tempo stuff, man. I know. I know. Really?
SPEAKER_01:Because you got eight people. Well, how many people are in the NELF? Like 15 people?
SPEAKER_00:Almost. Yeah. There's like 10 of us.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, so ten different people in a band will feel the same song, 10 different tempos at any given time. That's why whoever started who's the drummer now? I forget.
SPEAKER_00:Um Who's the drummer now? Uh Jim Mansfield. Jim Mansfield. So Jim's smart. Great, great drummer manager.
SPEAKER_01:But Jim uses a metronome, right?
SPEAKER_00:Uh he used to. Oh, he doesn't really. He doesn't anymore. But he was smart. I mean, he's he's played these tunes so many times, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Um, so did I. And then still it was like too fast, too slow, too fast, too slow. You know, you used to say should I count this off too fast or too slow?
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Right.
SPEAKER_00:What would you prefer tonight? I know, I know, I know. Anyway, that's my we we used to drive drummers crazy, man. No drummers. I'm supposed to. Every drummer after you, I mean, just caught pure hell. Yeah, yeah. I'm telling you, it was just it was crazy. I I felt bad for the guys, but it you know.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I mean, it's it's it is just a thankless.
SPEAKER_00:It was crazy, man. It was crazy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that's a hot seat being a drummer.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but Jim's doing Jim's doing a great job, right? Yeah, yeah, he's doing awesome.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, freaking awesome, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Good for Jim.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. And uh the chemistry uh with him and Dave is just amazing. I mean it's it's like they're they're I because I know Dave's listening.
SPEAKER_01:I know Dave's listening. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00:Well, Dave Anton. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Dave who you're done after this, Dave.
SPEAKER_00:I love Dave. Listen, Dave is gonna be sitting outside your front door.
SPEAKER_01:Dave is one of my favorite players, right? We were like uh, you know, sympathetical.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I mean the the chemistry between those two is just they're they're like one mind, you know? Yeah. Like yeah. Yeah, they they know what each other's thinking.
SPEAKER_01:It's it's got you got especially a bass player. Yeah. I think bass is more important than drummers.
SPEAKER_00:I I really do, man. I hate drummers. Yeah, really?
SPEAKER_01:I really hate drummers. Oh my god. I mean, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:The drum is the heart. That's like that's really good.
SPEAKER_01:No, you could if you have a good bass player and like kind of an okay drummer, you can get by. Really? But if you have a great drummer and a shitty bass player, it's not happening.
SPEAKER_00:I I see. It's not. Yeah, true.
SPEAKER_01:I ha ha listen, I listen to these these like PB Wining's records. These are the drum machine that's playing like boom boop boom bop. Marcus Miller's playing bass, killing it. Yes. You know what I mean? Like you don't drummers if I wasn't a drummer, I would never record live drums. No way. I would I would sequence drums.
SPEAKER_00:Wow. That's just me.
SPEAKER_01:What do I do?
SPEAKER_00:That's just me. Oh yeah, great job, by the way, on Dave's new tune. I heard it. Oh, with the drums? Yeah, with the drums. I heard it. Nice.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's my my yeah, I was I did a great job. I was killing it, man. You were killing it. Steve Gad's got nothing on me. Nothing. I hope Steve hears it. He's gonna be like, whoa, who's this guy? Right. Right. He's gonna be like, get get out of my way, man. Oh my god. All right, so anyway.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway.
SPEAKER_01:What else did I want to say? Um give me your opinion right now on because you and I are both old.
SPEAKER_00:You're like what's 62. I'm 63. 63? That's right.
SPEAKER_01:Almost social security.
SPEAKER_00:Social security can get from 62. Almost, and they're still asking me for my identification when I walk in.
SPEAKER_01:But because you're illegal, right?
SPEAKER_00:Hello.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Aren't you? You're a person of color. You must be here illegally. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00:Listen, they've they've wiped out our history. So I was like, yeah, that's a whole nother story.
SPEAKER_01:Some people enjoyed slavery. Hello, right. Right. Bullshit. Anyway. So like me as a like I'm 64 now. I'm like, the state of music is just it's dire.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Right? I mean, like, it's it's in a it's in a bad place right now. I mean, you know.
SPEAKER_01:I I really think it is. I used to be used to be, even on a club date, you could go to like what's the what are the catering holes? I don't even know. Um whatever, tiny well, townhouse and whatever. You'd go to these places and there'd be bands in every room. And I knew everybody in every band in every room.
SPEAKER_00:And everybody was good. Right. Exactly. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Now there's this weird breed of I don't know these like these not even I don't know if they're real. I think they're AI people.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And they're just like spitting the stuff out.
SPEAKER_00:Which is I know. I I don't know. What do you think? Am I right? I mean Totally. I mean, that's that's what we're seeing. I mean, you know, you don't you don't see any really uh any really great musicians anymore. You know, the the the singers.
SPEAKER_01:I mean But but even if you go to a bar. Well, sometimes me and me and George Centron just had this this discussion. Like you go to a bar now, and usually it's some guy who plays a little guitar. That's his thing. I play a little guitar. I want to choke those guys. Like I play a little guitar. I'm a I'm a you know, I'm a bricklayer, but I play a little guitar. Okay, so you suck. That's what that means, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So like what this is I say this.
SPEAKER_00:But I don't know. I I I think uh I think it has a lot to do with um it just my opinion, you know, um musicians like like every every other industry has sort of jumped on board with like raising salaries and things like that. And where where's ours is going backwards? Exactly, like like musicians. I mean, you know, you know, you the guy's not gonna, you know, a a really, you know, um a guy that knows his stuff. You know, a guy at your level and the the you know, Joels and people like that. You know, you're not gonna want to go and do a bar gig for a hundred.
SPEAKER_01:Unless it's great players. It's gonna be it's gotta be either like really good um players, good stuff, or a lot of money.
SPEAKER_00:Trevor Burrus, Jr. But I I I think that has a lot to do with it, like that type of thing.
SPEAKER_01:And and in the fact that's that's what I'm saying. Like what what other I say this every podcast, what other industry is exists where you can have a full-time job doing something else and then do this on the and do that on the weekend. You can't I can't like moonlight as a dentist.
SPEAKER_00:Right. You know what I mean? Like I have bought a.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I bought a drill, I put I do drill a couple of little teeth once in a while. You know, you don't you can't do that.
SPEAKER_00:That's true.
SPEAKER_01:But but as a but my my eye doctor plays a little guitar. It tells me they but I play a little guitar. So I mean I assume you suck because you're an eye doctor, but but you know what I mean? Like that shouldn't be allowed.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I I always said this, man, you should have to audition for your gear. Right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So if you show up to a gig and you got a shitty microphone, all right, this guy sucks.
SPEAKER_00:Right, right. But if you got a nice drum kit, you must must be good. Right.
SPEAKER_01:You have to audition for your gear.
SPEAKER_00:I hear you.
SPEAKER_01:I'm telling you.
SPEAKER_00:I hear you. Yeah. I mean, I I that's interesting. I I So So now what, you you think it's it's people like that is the reason that you don't see the real cats out and about?
SPEAKER_01:I think that they've taken work away from the real guys. I really do.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Because it used to be I mean, why why is the pay so low?
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Somebody called me to do gigs this summer, um, five gigs, three hour gigs, for$120 a gig. And I'm doing it, I'm like, what? Move drums to a bar where people are probably gonna throw up on the drums for$120 and then w why no why would I do that? Wow. Unless it was like crazy good. And he even described them as not so great. Yeah. It's okay. Like, why why would I do that? Am I that desperate? You know, and I'd rather play someone and and and I I I I don't know. I just this bothers me.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:This keeps me awake at night, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00:No, I I I wouldn't. Uh you know, no. Of course, there's a lot more I wanted to say than that, but I'll I'll leave it out. I mean at this point. Yeah, that's just crazy.
SPEAKER_01:I just think it's I just think it's kind of a sad state of it. Like even like there's no radio.
SPEAKER_00:Mm-hmm. Right. Right.
SPEAKER_01:Remember, you used to listen to good these tunes and the good songs on the radio.
SPEAKER_00:I know. There's no radio. Yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And you hear the same song every hour. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like I I I Yeah, I know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:It's it's such a uh my friend Ken. You know Ken Talvey? He's a guitar player.
SPEAKER_00:Uh no.
SPEAKER_01:Ken he's a great guitar. We do it we do a fusion trio. Ken's a real a real great guitar player. And his daughter um was up for a Grammy last year. She's really good. Oh, that Kenny. Yeah, Ken Talve. Right. So um Ken tells me these funny stories, like, because Kara is she's 28. So um he uh he's telling me stories like you know, he he doesn't mention Kara ever. Like he just does it, he's not that just a showy type. Right. And he tells me these stories like he goes out to dinner with his friend and and his friends telling him about his daughter is doing this thing. And so Ken says, Oh, you know, you know, Kara's doing great too. She um she just did a song with Billy Eilish. And the guy goes, Billy Eilish, I love Billie Eilish. And that was the end of it. He didn't like go, wow, she's like, I love Billie Eilish. What's on the menu? You're right. Like, I don't understand. Damn. You know what I mean? Like it's like that whole it's like disposable or something. I don't get it. I don't I don't get it. It bothers me, man. It really gets to my core. Like that's why I think I'm such an asshole when it comes to like people not playing what's the word playing, you know, if somebody's playing just bad. Yeah. I I because like music to me is like a child. Yeah. So it's like you're beating my child in front of me. Right, right, right. Like there's nothing like it there's I don't what am I trying to get at here? I don't like there are tunes that I hear sometimes. Like if I'm searching around Apple Music, that if I'm doing something, I hear this I hear a song, I have to stop what I'm doing and finish listening.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:Like that's that's something weird inside of me, right? Right. And I don't think uh aside from an artistic career, maybe acting or artist, you know, I don't think there's anything like that.
SPEAKER_00:Like you don't No. Like you don't know.
SPEAKER_01:If you're an accountant, you don't pull over because you just heard a a great equation. Right. You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_00:Right, right. Yeah, yeah. What I mean, what do you think? I mean Well not nothing hits you that way like music does, you know. Not nothing yeah, not nothing affects you that way.
SPEAKER_01:It's true, right? And I think people who don't have that don't get it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know, I mean they they just don't get it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know, I've been in situations where I've been out and and there's a band playing, you know. And somebody knows somebody in the band and they all know I'm a drummer, so they always, you know, they come up to me and they're all of course all drunk. Hey, aren't these guys great? What do you think are drummer? What do you think of these guys? And I'm like, oh, that's you know if you have two more beers, they'll be unbelievable. Oh, yeah. You know, like yeah, yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. Everybody plays in a stream. Everybody plays. Everybody plays, everybody's a singer. It's just like, you know, um one thing about Long Island, especially where I am now in uh Anneyville, there's music everywhere. There's music on like every corner, and there's always a band playing. I mean, I can just open up my window at one day.
SPEAKER_01:Where are they playing?
SPEAKER_00:In like bars or something? Uh uh bars. Um there are a lot of like little parks and little there's always like little street events, there's always things going on. Um the warehouse is right down the block.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, the warehouses, they do just gigs there, everybody like the um Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever played at the warehouse?
SPEAKER_00:I don't think I have, no. Have you ever been there?
SPEAKER_01:No, but I know like Jason plays there.
SPEAKER_00:A lot of artists come through there. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And those guys are good. Those bands are good.
SPEAKER_00:Yep.
SPEAKER_01:You know, um I had um a couple of guys here that play in like like Ron Fox and those couple, they play in the 70s band.
SPEAKER_00:Right, right, exactly.
SPEAKER_01:And they do those.
SPEAKER_00:And they're they're always there, yeah. Yeah. So yeah, there's uh yeah, uh everybody plays.
SPEAKER_01:So I don't mean to say that everybody playing out sucks. Yeah. What I'm saying is you can suck and still make the same money I make, right? You know, playing right next to you. You know, I mean it's just you know Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, some somebody's gotta eventually do something about raising the moment. Have you seen this?
SPEAKER_01:Have you seen this AI stuff? No, you can they have they have actual AI bands. The band doesn't exist. The the photos, the the videos, the music is not is only from AI that guys or girls in the band don't exist.
SPEAKER_00:I know that there was an artist that was recently signed uh to a deal with a big record company, Total AI. Yeah. And they knew that the artist was AI. And and they signed the the deal.
SPEAKER_01:Think about that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Like I I I don't know what to say about that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. You know, because we I mean she had like a whole album and and they they gave this they gave the creator of the AI something like I think it was like eight million dollars or something like that. Eight million dollar deal or something, yeah. Wow. Yeah. I don't that that's what we're up to. It's crazy, man. Soon there's gonna be an awards given to the to the best they have. Who's gonna accept the award? The the the Grammy, I guess the creator. Without a doubt, Grammy, Grammy's going to have uh another category, and it's gonna be AI, without a doubt. That's how strong it is. You you you can't deny it. And apparently AI has been going on for a very long time, but nobody knew about it. Um in the music industry, um, because I've been reading articles and I've been seeing things on on YouTube that this thing has been around for years, but it wasn't to this extreme. You know, they would use it sporadically and things to get ideas or things like that.
SPEAKER_01:I think there's some parts of it that are good like like for people like me. I'm not a keyboard player. If I'm gonna if I'm trying to express something keyboard-wise relying on AI to like kind of like fill in the blanks.
SPEAKER_00:Right, right.
SPEAKER_01:You know, that's that's useful. But still not my thing, which is you know right, right.
SPEAKER_00:And I I I could see using it uh for getting ideas. Right. You know, and then you replace that idea with something real or someone real. And but yeah, so that's that's what it is. That's crazy. It really is crazy. Do you use Chat GPT at all? Uh once in a while. Uh I'm surprised. You're you're such a I mean, yeah, once in a while.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, so for music? Yeah, for music, right?
SPEAKER_00:No, no, no, for keeping your schedule, for getting recipes for dinner.
SPEAKER_01:I'm afraid like you it's gonna be like I know what you did last summer. Yeah, yeah. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00:I I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:See, in that way I'm like an old pastor.
SPEAKER_00:Um I'm definitely looking to uh you know involve it in in more of my life. I don't think we have a choice. Yeah, we do.
SPEAKER_01:Honestly, I don't think I think I think about my kids.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know, maybe I may have an AI daughter-in-law, who knows.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, right. Probably AI grandchild. I know, I know. AI pet, you know, an AI dog. I'll take I'll take an AI pet. Yeah, yeah. So uh yeah. Yeah, that's that's what I've been, you know, through my company and different things that I'm doing, just been learning a lot of different things about AI. So it's definitely not going anywhere else. Just like rap or just like uh, you know, when the computers first came out of the city.
SPEAKER_01:It can't possibly replace live performance.
SPEAKER_00:No, you still yeah, you still need to be able to do that. Right?
SPEAKER_01:I mean, people still like going to see and even a wedding band, like you have to right?
SPEAKER_00:I mean, if But listen, you know, like we're old farts. That's what we like. The generation that's coming up, that's a whole nother story.
SPEAKER_01:You mean weddings or in general?
SPEAKER_00:I mean just just in general, like you know, where this whole AI thing is headed. This is for your kids.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but but live performance, you gotta go there, right? You have to you that's part of the concert experience, right?
SPEAKER_00:I mean But think of think of live performances. Um I don't know if it's like live aid or like some some of these different things where it's all computer generated stuff on on the monitors on the screens, and these crowds are jumping around and they're like, you know. Oh, and there's no band? There's no band. There's there's just wild, crazy music and a big screen with a bunch of things flashing and lights going and you know, a lot of animation and things like that.
SPEAKER_01:I have a hard time with that.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. We have a hard time with that. Because we're old? Because we're from a different generation. We're from a whole different world. But the kids that are coming up now, forget about it. They don't they don't need live bands.
SPEAKER_01:They don't see that you know when the problem is I don't there's nothing I like if I see stuff, I don't I don't trust it anymore.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Right. It used to be if you saw a video, you knew that was happening. I know, but no and I don't trust anything I see or read online.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you know, unless it's a you know, a like a noted syndication, you know. Otherwise it's just bullshit.
SPEAKER_00:I was just watching the news this morning. Uh there's this guy that uh that the cops are looking for a guy who let's say you're on the internet, you know, your likeness, your image, everything. They copied this guy image, this guy's image, and they're using his image to lure women in to and then they start doing the whole what what do they call it? Cat cat something, cat whatever. Uh no, fish. Fish. Whatever. Fishing? It's something like that. Um, where they they lure people in and then like they're taking these women and they're trying to, you know, get information from them and um like have them send them money and th catfishing what do they call it? I don't know. Catfishing. I don't know, something weird like that. Anyway, but um He's so old. But this this guy has got uh, you know, he's he's got this whole lawsuit thing. He's they're trying to find the people that are using his likeness and image to lure these women in to to rip them off, basically. Wow. But they've got the guy like the whole point is the animation, the guy is talking, it looks like it's exactly it's his voice, it's his mannerisms, his whole thing, and the guy didn't even know that this was going on. It's been going on for a little while. Yeah. And he's crazy. It's scary. It's it's really scary. It is, you know. So now all these women have this complaint against this guy, and it's not him. And it's it's not even him. He's got no clue about what was going on. The guy's a happily married man, and all these women are after him now, thinking that he ripped them off, you know?
SPEAKER_01:Wow. But that's so now you can cheat on your wife and say, no, that wasn't me. Totally somebody made my likeness.
SPEAKER_00:Totally. Listen, I always wanted a twin brother. Could you imagine if they were two of you? Two of them. Oh my god. Forget about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I thought that when I met you. You saw what? I had a twin brother. Because you saw me naked. Hello. Hey, I know you. I know you. I've seen you before. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So those are the days, man. Those are the days.
SPEAKER_01:Well, you were the band when uh wait, what year did you join again? I got see, I can't even remember.
SPEAKER_00:Uh 98.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so 2000 and when when 9-11 happened, you were in the band. Remember that? Yep.
SPEAKER_00:So we had a still on Wall Street in 9-11. Right. I was getting I was getting ready to go to work. I'll never forget it. Getting ready to go to work. Just getting ready to head out to the train. Uh for and and like I'm never late. I I was always in the office.
SPEAKER_01:Like when you weren't in the Trade Center, were you?
SPEAKER_00:No, no, not in the Trade Center. You were going to the street. I was uh just a few blocks away from the Trade Center. Just a couple of blocks away. I was actually on Wall Street. That was where my office was located. And I was getting ready to go in, and I got a phone call from my office, and they were saying, Listen, Shelly, you you know what's going on. I was like, No, don't come in. You can't come in anyway because uh you know you can't pass.
SPEAKER_01:Couldn't get a C.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and uh I turned they uh the guy told me to turn on the television, and I turned on the television and saw what was going on, I just couldn't believe it. And some of the people that I used to ride into the train with were on the train when that happened. And I never said.
SPEAKER_01:Well the reason I'm I was bringing it up is because I remember so 9-11 was the was 9-11, and then 9-14, 14th, it was the 13th or the 14th, I forget.
SPEAKER_00:Okay.
SPEAKER_01:It was two days or so after 9-11, we had a showcase. And I remember Sean was thinking about maybe even canceling it because it was so the the whole world was upside down.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:And I remember going in to the showcase and it was packed. It was jammed with people, and we booked almost every gig. Get out. People were like, fuck this.
SPEAKER_00:Do you remember where it was?
SPEAKER_01:Um but but I remember it was very like a solemn thing. They didn't they didn't speak much, they were just sitting there. We booked every gig. People that was the a banner year for weddings. Oh, wow. People were like, fuck this, I'm getting married.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:You know, everybody but I mean the two or three years after people like, forget this, man. The world might be ending. Let's just get married.
SPEAKER_00:Right, right. Let's just get married.
SPEAKER_01:And it was it was a big year. I remember that. 9-11, 1112 was big. That's interesting. Yeah, because of 9-11. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I know, I know. Weird, weird time, man. Yeah. Crazy time. Yeah. Yeah. But this is it, baby. AI, the AI revol revolution.
SPEAKER_01:All right. So you got anything else, Shell? You want to admit something? You robbed a liquor store yesterday.
SPEAKER_00:On the way in. That's how we do it. It was my AI twist. That's it. That's it. Oh. Just think about it. You could probably do that. It was the AI. Listen, AI made me do it. I was home with my AI wife. I wasn't there.
SPEAKER_01:Oh my God. Alright, well, so yeah, we're about done here.
SPEAKER_02:Oh we're about done.
SPEAKER_01:We've we've uh destroyed enough lives in this podcast. This is definitely the funnest podcast. Sometimes I do podcasts and I start to fall asleep because somebody's going off on it. Yeah, yeah. Like, whatever. Oh my god. So thanks for coming, Shelly. Appreciate it, man. I'm I'm so happy you didn't what?
SPEAKER_00:Go to specific things. Oh no. No, I wouldn't be specific. Beautiful, beautiful. I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. Definitely not. Definitely not.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe. After the podcast.
SPEAKER_00:After, after, after. All right, man. Beautiful. Thanks for coming, Show. John, thank you so much for having me. All right. Thank you, Bill.
