In this episode we talk to Clementine Lindley, the owner of Limber Tree Yoga here in Billings, MT. Prior to this popular yoga studio, Clementine has had a few failures along her journey to advocate and owner. Listen along to hear her journey of failure
In this episode we talk to Clementine Lindley, the owner of Limber Tree Yoga here in Billings, MT. Prior to this popular yoga studio, Clementine has had a few failures along her journey to advocate and owner. Listen along to hear her journey of failure
Thanks for tuning in today. We've got a, a special guest, uh, a dear friend of mine, miss Clementine Linley. How are you doing today? I'm doing
Clementine:great. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a heck of a week, but yeah, you know, today I'm doing great.
Alex:I got, I gotta, I gotta preface this before we start. Thank you for coming in and thank you for, uh, allowing us to do this all over again. Hey, no problem. Because the first time was not great,
Clementine:eh? I don't know if Well, we failed forward, right? We definitely
Alex:failed
Clementine:forward. So that's, I mean, that's kind of life. Yeah. I think that that's kind, well, we'll talk about that
Alex:today. Exactly right. Cuz that's kind of the, uh, premise of, of this whole podcast. It's talking about how we fail and we fail forward. So, uh, for those who don't know you, um, because there's listeners who've never heard of you. Who are you and what do you do?
Clementine:There are people in the world that don't know me. Isn't that insane? I know. No. Um, I'm sorry. Um, I am Clementine Linley. I am a, currently my nine to five job is that I'm a yoga studio owner and I own a yoga studio in Billings, Montana. Called Lumber Tree. Yoga Studio. And, um, Not nine to five is that I'm also a mental health advocate and I work to, um, chat with people and give presentations about suicide prevention and, um, what we can do to help our next generation survive. Yeah.
Alex:But that's huge, and especially now, and especially given the last three years and then given the development of the internet and social media, I think now, an ever important time to talk about that subject,
Clementine:right? Oh, total. Well, it's always important to talk about it and, and my goal and my desire is that maybe I can be kind of, I mean this is gonna be really cheesy, but like way back when I was in high school, the story of the starfish like made a difference to that one. Made a difference to that one. Yeah. But I really feel like if I can be the catalyst to start talking about mental illness and mental wellness, then maybe by the time my children are my. Or my grandchildren are my age that it will no longer be like when my mom was a child. Yeah. The word cancer was the same way. You didn't say cancer. Yeah. And so I'm hoping that by the time my children are my age, they can hear the words mental illness and not go woo. So,
Alex:yeah. Yeah. And that's, that's my goal. That's, it's funny cuz I think we're on the same, you know, level of same playing field and cups of that stuff because, you know, men don't talk about Oh, right. Their, their mental health, you know, and especially right now, I mean, I know it's a taboo subject, but a lot of the shit that happens right now is because there's a stigma attached to it, you know, and even like growing up, it's a cyclical bullshit where like, you know, the father won't talk about it, so the son has to go through it and then he'll have a. and then eventually you have a school shooting, right? Like, like, and that sucks. Like that's obviously the
Clementine:issue. Or we're in denial. Like little Johnny can't have a D H D and reactive attachment disorder and bipolar disorder because that means I failed as a parent. Yeah. And little Johnny actually can have all of those, and you still be the best damn parent in the world.
Alex:That's insane. You bring that up because that is a, a very real parent thing too, is the fact that, you know, you as a parent have to admit that there may be something not necessarily wrong with your kid, but different Yeah. You know, or you're not a, a health professional or a mental health professional. Maybe have someone. Involved
Clementine:a absolutely. Right. Right. Well, so I mean, and, and it's an interesting space. And so I think that, again, going to the form of failure, and I know we're totally getting out of sync of how you normally
Alex:That's okay. I, I love this. This is a good conversation, so keep it going. Um, we'll switch it up here. That, I
Clementine:think though, the thing of it is, is that, that's that part of failure. Yeah. And I that, well, I'm sure we'll touch on it a little bit more. especially as moms, and I think dads have it too, they just don't talk about it as much. Yeah. Of this space of like, I failed my child. My child has mental health issues and I failed them. I either failed them in tro, I failed them in infancy. I didn't breastfeed them. I, whatever it is, we start picking apart all the ways we potentially failed, as opposed to saying, my child isn't like everyone. and no one child is like the one next to them. So that's a big thing to remember. But okay, how do I nurture this? And so, like I said, well, I'm sure we'll talk about this in a minute, but my big thing is my children today are 10, 12, and 26. How can I, with my 10 and 12 year old knowing I only have eight and six years left of them in my home regularly? Yeah. More or less. How do I maximize that?
Alex:That's always my adage too, is, you know, uh, when people ask about my parenting or when people see my parenting, I mean, I, I mean, I, I don't think I'm a strict parent. I'm just a parent who definitely sets strong boundaries. And my comment back to them is always, you know, I have 18 years to raise a human, and that's all I get. You know what I mean? Like, and I, I have to see still influence them past that 18 year mark. But the point is, is that once they hit that adulthood, A lot of your job is
Clementine:done and really you only have about 13 years. Yeah, exactly. Cause once they years, because once they hit 13 and they're like, my parents are dumb. Yeah. You just have, you then basically just get to put up the. The runners on the side of the bowling alley to make sure they don't run off. Like you don't get to make the decisions for'em anymore. Yeah, and it's funny cause I tell some of my friends that and they're like, oh, I will. And I'm like, good luck with that. Yeah. Because either one of two things is gonna happen. You're going to have a child who leaves home and doesn't know how to survive without being told how to do it. Or you have a child who leaves who in their teenage years, 13 to eight or 18. It goes down this path of. I'm like, fuck you. Yeah. Because they want independence and they never felt it before. Yeah. And so I, yeah, similar to you, I was there. Yeah. Right. Well, and similar to you, I was the good kid. Like I wasn't the, like, I had maybe like a, oh, I wasn't the good kid.
I
Alex:was. I was a terrible kid.
Clementine:See, but the funny thing is like, but I was friends with all the terrible kids, so it was, there you go. Really funny. Yeah, because I was the kid, they'd be like, Hey, we're going camping tonight. You wanna come with us? And I'd be like, no, I need to go home. but it's because I was parented similarly that my parents taught me how to make good judgment calls and trust my gut early on. So I knew that by the time I was 16, that being home with my mom and dad was probably the best and safest choice for me than being in the woods with some 18 to 20 year olds. That don't even have a tent
Alex:I can't imagine what that situation was like.
Clementine:I mean, and, and, and those, but those kinds of things happen, especially being raised here in rural Montana. Right. Like random things happen.
Alex:Yeah. And it's funny cuz, well, not funny, but when I came here, you know, I'm, I'm married a local from Great Falls and you know, she would share her like last eight to 10 years and I thought, What the hell are are people doing here, because like, I mean, I grew up in upstate New York where like, you know, I mean there were things to do, but for the most part we weren't traveling into woods with a keg, you know, or some random fucking liquor, right? You know, we, we were doing shit. And, and I'm not saying that that doesn't exist in upstate New York, I'm just saying that wasn't the norm. No,
Clementine:but that's, so my son, my oldest son, when he was about 14, I said, I have three requests when you go out at night, I wanna know who you're with, where you're going, and what time you're going to be home. And of course he was annoyed by all that cuz he wanted to do things. And I said, no, there's no, this is why I want to know this. Yeah. Because in the winter, When you don't make it home, by the time you say you're going to May home, I need to tell the police where to find your freezing body. God, Jesus Christ. Yeah, because you didn't make it home and your friends abandoned you. Yeah. This has nothing to do with me micromanaging you. I'm not gonna show up. I'm not gonna call the cops. I'm not gonna do, I'm not asking you what you're doing in the middle of the woods. I'm pretty sure I know. I just need to know how to find. In case something goes wrong, in some case something goes wrong and and saying, I believe that you will make the best decision for yourself, and if that's getting obliterated with your friends with a keg of beer in the woods, then if that's the best decision you can make at that time, I will give you that. You get to make choices, just don't die. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. I mean, and. Be aware that these are your choices. Yeah. Like and if you get arrested, don't expect me to show up and bail you out. You're gonna sit there as long as you need to sit there, because I've given you the tools to make good choices. Yeah.
Alex:So anyway, so that, I mean, that's not, I wanna hear more about that at some point. Sure. Because holy hell, I feel like we could just have a, a show on parenting, right? Like, because I, I feel like, as, as similar as we are, we, we may have different parenting styles, um, but we definitely have the same like outcome. The values are the same. Yeah. The values are the same a hundred percent. So, but we're not here to talk about that, right? No, we're not talking about, no. Yeah, we are here to talk about, uh, about the ways that you failed right now. This is all your kids, right? You know, or how you failed your kids. I mean, they could be one of'em, but I don't think you failed'em yet. So you've got
Clementine:Thanks. Thanks for
Alex:the vote of confidence, Alex. So you, you've got some time. Um, but you've, you've had a couple failures. I mean, despite the fact that you own a business, I think you're a huge community powerhouse, a mental health. Yeah, I have you, you fucked up along the way.
Clementine:Oh, totally. And I mean, and honestly, again, like I'm, I, um, tell people I'm a recovering perfectionist. Yeah. Um, I, I totally. being perfect is a, has been a big deal to me up until recently. And so yeah, there's, I, I think the biggest one that we kinda, in the podcast that was not, um, that we recorded last week, I told you that was being fired. I was fired from my dream job. Yeah, that's right. From on a, a non-profit you were working at, from a non-profit. Yep. And, um, I thought that was gonna be my life mission. Like I was all in. I found my passion. I found what drove me. I found. you know, kept me awake at night for good reasons. Yeah. And I was like, this is it. This is what I'm doing. And then I was not asked, but told to step down and all of a sudden my life literally crumbled below me. I lost all foundation of everything. Yeah. And um, and. It was like losing a family
Alex:member, or we talked about that. Yeah. It's, it's, I mean, it's grief, you know? Yeah, totally. Your, your mourning loss,
Clementine:and so when you, and it does go hand in hand, so like, so then I would felt like a complete failure. I'm at that point a perfectionist. How could I not be good enough to keep my job? How did I mess up enough that not just one person, but a whole board of persons thought I was not qualified for my job? And then how? and then now looking back on it, I look back and I really, my big thing I'm working through now is like, how did those eight years from then till now affect my family? And I am dealing with a little bit of that like yeah, shame and self-loathing of like, oh my gosh, I was so. in myself that I literally just went through actions. I wasn't compassionate as I want to be. I wasn't as understanding, I wasn't as patient. I wasn't. And so be because of that failure? Because of that failure? Yeah. Because I was so in a depressive state myself, and I have, uh, diagnosis of depression, and so I fell into this depressive state and. Could put one foot in front of the other. I started two businesses after that that were mediocrely successful. And um, and actually I shouldn't say Mediocrely. One was Mediocrely successful, one was not successful at all. And I mean, so much so that I put, bought$10,000 of product on a credit card that I ended up donating to Charity Jesus, because. That business wasn't that unsuccessful. God damn. Yeah. Yeah. Talk about if you want, if you wanna know how to really like, strengthen a marriage that's not how Yeah. Like,
Alex:like buying$2,000 worth of what's the t-shirts that are just kind of sitting Yeah. You know? Yeah. Well, at least it's only
Clementine:2000
Alex:and not 10. Yeah, I know. Uh, but you, so these, uh, these ventures, after you got let go, were they after or before your ventures? Or before you're, you're firing like
Clementine:they were after. They was like, I need something
Alex:to do. So post, uh, nonprofit, you dumped money and time and energy into something that just took a shit.
Clementine:Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like was maybe in theory a great idea. I didn't have the passion, I didn't have the drive. I was still in a depression. I still wasn't recovering from. Shit. Um, I still was whirling from whatever had happened. Yeah. And I mean, and I went to therapists. I went and as strange as it sounds, it wasn't until I went and saw a hypnotherapist that I was actually able to help, like reset completely on realizing that. trauma of being fired wasn't my own. Yeah. Like I could release it and I didn't have to hold onto it as a burden of like, this is now who I am. And once I got through that, it was very much of this awakening of like, oh wait,
Alex:did this therapist come in after you're firing or after those two failed businesses?
Clementine:Uh, at all of it.
Alex:at the end
Clementine:of that or between it basically? No, it was like, so basically it was like I was fired from the nonprofit. I started a company called Strokes and Kangaroos, which was a, um, mail order party box. Like you could get themed parties in a party box. Okay. And with all kinds of stuff in'EM and activities and, um, and. What I found in that business was that people wanted someone to come set up their party. They didn't wanna just buy the party box and then set it up themselves. They actually wanted the staff. You do everything. You do everything. Yeah. I'll just pay to do everything. And I was like, well, I'm in Montana. If I'm sending it to New Jersey, I can't. You just show up there. Show up. Yeah. So that was, um, I, that was a, a barrier that I didn't even think about. And. But I knew that I liked this like component of being crafty. And so then that actually like kind of melded into the company I started, which was called Brita and Betty, which was a craft subscription box of various crafts every other month. And I started that because when you use your hands for 30 minutes a day, you actually release as much serotonin as working out. Damn. Yeah. Isn't that cool? Yeah.
Alex:Does it matter what you're doing with your.
Clementine:Creative. Okay. Something creative. So woodworking, um, like typing doesn't work. Okay. But like creative, um,
Alex:strangling
Clementine:someone? Uh, probably not. Okay. I mean, it might head do a little bit more to your psyche. That does, that's true to your and to stress release. But then you have a whole nother. Yeah, issue at hand, right? Yeah.
Alex:You're not solving anything, you're just adding your body. You're just creating more
Clementine:problems really. more failures. Yeah, exactly. So, no, so I think that that's just it. So then I found, I've discovered that, and I found out in the UK that doctors were actually prescribing, knitting and like crafting as treatment for, um, depression before they do antidepressants. And I was like, oh, this is cool. This like takes my passion for mental health and takes. Space of creativity that I have. Yeah. And let me make this, this thing. And it was what did real well until Covid.
Alex:Oh yeah. Cause that up ended. Like anybody who had any kind of anxiety,
Clementine:depression. Well sure. But the bigger thing was that all my distributors were from China. Oh my God. So I had no, yeah, no problem. Way of, yeah. And two of my distributors actually closed during Covid. Goddamn. And so I was like, well, That that business is done. Like I don't even have a choice. Close up shop, just call it a day. And, um, if I want, maybe I'll do some popups locally or something, some craft popups. But this isn't gonna be a thing anymore because I don't have the bandwidth to find new, uh, wholesalers and vendors.
Alex:And it's funny that you said that because, uh, our last episode I talked to with Jim Markle at Redox. and he was talking about how he had this fitness, um, product, uh, that he sold here locally, but he had to shut down because there was a country that came in and started producing it in mass, very cheap. And that was China. Mm-hmm. I thought like, there's no theme, like we're not doing like anti-Chinese sentiment here. But it's just crazy that like you know, that was part of like the
Clementine:Well, yeah, and yeah, and it's, and honestly, I mean, because Covid originated in China and China shut down so tightly. Oh yeah, yeah. That was still Well, yeah, but I mean, but that was kind of the thing is that there was just no, there we've seen it across the world. Yeah. Of we're just starting to get cut up or we actually feel like we're not behind. I mean, During Covid, we went to go look to buy a hot tub and it was like, we're 18 months out to get a hot tub. And I was like, what? Because all the, the places I buy my water from for my, like, for my yoga studio was like, yeah, we can't source the five gallon jugs for the jugs. Yeah. Because we don't have a vendor that makes them That's ridiculous. And I was like, oh my God. Like everyone kind of just things you don't think about, about the supply. Totally changed.
Alex:So, and that's, yeah, I mean, that's where America failed, was that we outsourced everything. We sent it overseas. Yeah. Um, that, that could definitely be a whole season of podcast.
Clementine:I feel like right? Yeah. And so I think so, but ultimately it wasn't the worst, and it led me down. Then through that I learned about mindfulness. I learned about me meditation, I learned about yoga. I learned about all these things again, to help take care of my mental health, which then led me to buying a yoga studio. So, I mean, so all these failures, like I said in the beginning, have taught me to fail forward, right? Yeah. They're not, it's not about just staying in one place and being like, oh, I have a failure. It's sitting there. I, I think it's important to sit with that failure though, and be like, why do I feel this? You can't
Alex:just dismiss it. Correct. You know, and say like, Hey, like, we don't give a shit about what we did or what we failed at. Um, I think it's important to acknowledge it and then be able to understand what went wrong, sit with it, and then figure out how to move on
Clementine:from it. Well, and it's kind of like that, like nine levels of why, right? Yeah. So why did I fail? Well, because my vendors closed. Well, why did the vendors close? Because of Covid. Okay. Why? Like, and going down like, yeah. Oh, actually none of this is my. This all happened becau, oh, now that I asked those nine levels of why I realized that literally I could not control whether my business was unless I had a warehouse full of supplies myself. Yeah. And, um, and that wasn't where I was at. I was like essentially kind of creating my own drop ship program essentially. And so that was one and same thing with the party box. Like why, why? Well, yeah. And as I look back, it was like, Yes. I probably didn't need to buy that many products. Yeah. I didn't do enough research. I wasn't doing market research like I should have. I didn't have enough training. All these things that I later received.
Alex:You, you jumped into it without being totally prepared.
Clementine:Well, yeah, and I totally did it because I was in, I, I and I needed a life preserver.
Alex:You saw, you saw a way out. You're like, Hey, this, this could be an easier way out to make some cash
Clementine:and or whatever. I didn't even know. Yeah. I was just, I needed a way out. Yeah. I needed a, not a way to not sink, and I needed a reason to get outta bed every day. Damn. And quite honestly, I would love to say my children were that reason, but they weren't.
Alex:No, no. And I, I think like, we wanna be like the superhuman parents, you know? They're like, oh, my kids are the reason for everything. And you're like, that's, that's just not always the case. Like, no. Like it's acceptable to not, you know, throw that stuff on your kid's shoulders like Right. And
Clementine:that's, I think the thing of it is, is that when we have these real conversations with, I have these conversations with my kids Yeah. That like, I adore. I would stand in front of a bullet for them in a heartbeat, every single one of them. But there are times where my life consumes me so deeply that I, I may be slow to react to that bullet because I can't be all things to all people at all times. Yeah, and I think moms especially, try to wear
Alex:that, that, that's a bigger burden, I think for them. Sh totally. You know, and, and it's not, I don't even know. It's not a feminism thing really. I think it's a, it's a, it's an issue with humans, you know, and it, it is a very societal thing, but it's a societal thing that's across all societies. Yep. You know, is that I feel like the mother, the matriarch of the family, you know, in whatever shape or form that is, um, definitely takes on a lot more burden than I think a lot of the men do. And that's not, like I said, dismissing, you know, stay-at-home dad. but it that this is just how it's always been.
Clementine:Well, kind of, yeah. And I think the thing of it is, is that like I know a handful of stay-at-home dads and they're amazing, but I, every single one of them will say, holy crap, I had no idea that this is what my mother went through as a child. None. And But you wouldn't. Yeah. But I think most moms will say, oh yeah, I didn't know this is exactly what my mom went through, but this makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Where I think. When that role gets changed. And I grew up in a weird, I had no gender norms in my household. My dad did the cooking and cleaning and my mom fixed the car. So like, I didn't, I grew up in a very strange societal role
Alex:of a home that is very odd. Cause I grew up in a very, I mean, traditional in some sense. You know, like we had those traditional matriarch and patriarch roles, you know, like, uh, my stepdad, uh, you know, went to work every day. My mom stayed home, took care of the. um, you know, at my dad's house, my dad went to work. Um, and then, you know, so did my stepmom and then they came home. She made dinner most of the time. She took care of the house, he took care of the outside and that was it. He didn't even do his own laundry. And so, uh, growing up, especially like post-military, you know, I became single after my first divorce and I was like, well, I need to do all this shit myself. Cause now I'm a single dad. Right. And that's one of the things that like, you know, Janelle actually like compliments me and, and says to her friends too, um, is that my husband takes care of his own shit. You know, like, like he can help do the dishes. He does his own laundry, he cleans around the house and I do shit outside, around the house. Right. And so that's not
Clementine:normal. No. And it's not. And my husband's the same. I mean, I think that that's kind of how weak I've gotten to be very good friends is that our roles as. Partners with our spouses is similar. And so the four of us can really identify with these rules being not norm. My husband was a single dad as well, and so he had to feed his kid, he had to get him to school. I love he had a Yeah, he's a great guy. He's great. I love him too. Yeah. Um, but I think that that's the thing, right? And so we have this conversation where, like in our house, my husband does the dishes every single day. I, unless he's. I don't touch the dishes. Don't tell Janelle that. But here's the thing. He said he likes doing it because it like is a br He doesn't have a lot of brainless tasks to do
Alex:and I can see that, especially given like his role and what he does correct.
Clementine:And so he's like, I like doing dishes cuz it's brainless and you know exactly what you do every single time. and, and really I try to get the kids to unload the dishwasher so then he can load it. And so it's like this, we tr I'm trying to
Alex:add more as Yeah, we do that too. Like the kids, they come home, if the dishwasher's clean, you unload it first. Yeah. Take care of your lunches and then you can do whatever you want,
Clementine:you know? Yep, yep. And so I think that that's just it, right? Like, um, and I do act most of the outside work because I. Gardens. I love being outside. I love the yard work, I love planting and all that stuff. So he'll mow the tiny grass that we have. But other than that, I'm the one out there weeding. I'm the one moving rocks. I'm the one doing all those things. Yeah. Because that's my happy place. Same thing, I love
Alex:landscaping.
Clementine:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, um, and, and so like we have this gorgeous garden in our house with these huge boulders that we found on our property. Right. I moved all those rock. I'm on my own, like dug them up and moved them and straight up cable men style But, well, first of all, I didn't even know they were in the ground as I'm like trying to dig to build this garden, you're like, oh shit, these are some big ass rocks. Yeah. And then I was like, well, and my husband works all day and I have a more flexible schedule, so I was able to do it. But, but that's the thing is that that's I, but I'm so grateful that I did grow up in a home. where my mom was the one that changed the oil in the car or, yeah. Um, I mean, my mom's biceps still, she's like almost 70 years old. And her biceps, like when I was little I was like, oh, when I grow up I want biceps like that. I've never had biceps like my mother chicken, chicken bench, you probably like, she's a more petite woman than I am, and she is just stacked. That's awesome. And so I think that that's the thing is that. I love growing up. I love growing up like that cuz it didn't, I didn't know that. That wasn't normal No. Right. It's not. Yeah. It's done until then. Later I moved in, then I like meet people and they're like, oh no, you need to call my mom Mrs. Smith. And I was like, oh no. Weird. Which is like growing up in Montana. Yeah. Like
Alex:that is, that is a norm here. They what? You don't calling Mrs. Smith? No. Like calling them Mrs. Smith, isn't it? No. See back East. Oh, I know it is. That's all we did, right? Yeah. No,
Clementine:here. I've never called my entire life until I went to college. I didn't know you referred to Papa's parents by their last names. Until I went to college. It's funny cause in Washington
Alex:State, so we had a, a neighbor live on the street that my dad was like really good friends with that. I didn't even know his first name. We always called him Mr. Coleman. Yeah. For like the longest time, you know, Mr. Coleman, you know, blah, blah, blah. And it was like, I was like maybe a teenager that he was like, Hey, like Scott's coming over. And I was like, who the hell is Scott? Right? And he was like, Mr. Coleman. I was like, oh shit. Like he has a name. Yeah. And so for like, for the longest time, like I would always call adults Mr. And Mrs. And I don't know if that's like. An archaic thing now, because I feel like a lot of kids don't do that now. Maybe
Clementine:not, but I know in the east, so my dad's from the east coast. Yeah. And I have cousins and second cousins and stuff still on the east coast and they do the same thing. They still do the same thing. Like it's, yeah. Until they give you permission to call them by their first name. Now it's funny here, like I ask my kids like, what's your friend's last name? I don't know. What's their parents' names? Sarah? Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. And so you're like texting. Hi Sarah, it's Clementine. I'm just calling like, it's not like that's Mrs. So-and-so. It's, they're like, Hey, what's your mom's name? Hey, what's your dad's name? And it's funny
Alex:cause that that's a battle that I, I think I started many years ago when my kids were growing up and they'd had friends over and they're like, Hey, what's your dad's name? And I'm like, I'm Mr. Clark. And they're like, yeah, but like, what's your real name? And I'm like, it, it it, it's Alex. Yeah. You know, like I didn't wanna fight against that grain cause I was like, man, like I grew up with, you know, Mr. And Mrs. But you know, if, if we're changing, I guess the perception of But that's a
Clementine:Montana thing. Yeah, it's a Montana thing. And it's funny cuz I didn't know it was a Montana thing to like be very informal in how we address people here. Yeah. But it's part of like, Rural way, right? Like you go down to John's house and go ask him for six eggs, we're making something, you know, it's like it, it isn't even, yeah. Once a kid has to walk a half mile to go, gets a half a dozen eggs, they're not gonna, unless they were an older person. Right. Then it was like, then you're gonna go down to, but usually, like even my husband grew up in rural Montana and it was like, go down to Bill Jackson's. So it's like his first and last name? Yeah. Like his,
Alex:his store or something like that. That he Or his
Clementine:house. Like his house like or whatever. Like if you go down to this place, they'll help you with your car. Or if you go to this place, they'll do the
Alex:like, cause it was a full name. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Clementine:And so it would kind of be this, but it was that it, that's a
Alex:small town thing. I think
Clementine:so. It's gotta be right, because you don't I don't do that here. No. Like, but even my, so here's a good example. We have a neighbor who I'm guessing is in her eighties. Um, I'm not gonna ask her how old she is. No. But she's older. She built her house. She's a single owner of this house. And when we moved in, She said, hi, I'm Joanne, and, um, introduced herself to my daughter. My daughter doesn't say, I'm going over to Mrs. So-and-So's house. She goes, I'm going to Joanne's house. And she goes over to this 80 year old woman's house and hangs out with her and her dog and chats and bakes her bread. And,
Alex:but is her using Joanne as a first name bizarre to you? No. Yeah, that's what we, I think we're changing the way that. But also, like I said, you know, it's the difference between like, you know, out west versus the East Coast. And
Clementine:I think there's something weird in the, like the Midwest. I think part of that might come, I don't know, it'd be interesting to do a sociology project around like, what's that like? Is there like something about homesteading that names got dropped?
Alex:Well, yeah. And they look at like down south, they're like, you know, instead of calling Arcade, it's like Miss Katie. Yeah.
Clementine:Oh my gosh. And that drives me crazy. And people call me Miss Clementine. I'm like, just call me Clementine.
Alex:We, uh, we digressed like a shit ton. That's okay. But that's okay because this was, uh, a great conversation. Like, I just love talking. I feel like we could do this for hours, but we probably shouldn't for the listeners. Well,
Clementine:we'll, we'll reconvene sometime, but no, I think going back onto your failure component, I think that there's, I mean there's another example, right? And I, it's coming back to parenting over and over again, but I think that that is that piece of like, when we're aware culturally of what is failure, what is not, when we're aware, Even of ourselves. So like with my kids, we're asking them like, my son has a d d, he doesn't turn in his work all the time. I'm like, he's like, oh, I'm failing. And I'm like, but you're not failing. Like, are you giving it your best?
Alex:We struggle with that too. Yeah. Especially, you know, uh, you know, Hamilton's at that point where it's getting a little bit harder for him Yeah. To do math and. you know, he's not, cause he's always been like the smarter kid. Yep. The smartest kid. And now that he's not, man, there's like a, an instant shutdown. And so like, I would say it's a, it's a tremendous failure on our part if we don't teach him how to deal with these hurdles. Yeah. Right. You know,
Clementine:if you have to fail forward. Yeah. And that's all I can keep saying to my kids is like, we just have to fail forward as a family. Like we have to fail forward and whatever that looks like. My husband and I have a massive screaming match in our kitchen. And I look at my kids and say, well, sorry guys. Like we're gonna, we messed up. Yeah. But you have to recognize that we can do better. Yeah. We don't have to like, be like, whoops, we're gonna brush that under the rug. No one saw that. Yeah. Don't talk about it with your friends. Like, no, we all really messed up. And I screamed and yelled and said lots of F words because that's what I do when I'm mad and Yeah. Yeah.
Alex:I'm a swearer too class. Yeah. Oh yeah. Um, but I love that you said that because I think a lot of the. Uh, perception around failure is that you just can't ever talk about it, you know? And that's kinda a whole reason of like bringing people on here to say, listen, like they have fucked up along the way, but in their own right, they are now successful. And so, you know, the, the mantra I've always gone by is I would rather, uh, try something than not, because I will always regret the chances I didn't take Absolutely. Like through and through. And so you. Done that, you know, you have, you know, went out to a nonprofit, got let go, was devastated, got another business venture failed, another business venture failed. And then you ended up at Lime Tree with this beautiful business in this amazing place. And you know, whether you're successful or not, you are not failing wholly
Clementine:right now. No. And I'm making a difference to people's lives. Exactly. And so whether I. failure and success isn't based on money. The, it's that again, every time someone comes in and gets introduced to a new way of treating themselves in self-care, through yoga, through meditation, through breathing, whatever it is, it's a success.
Alex:So if, if you had to give one piece of advice to people who are afraid of failing, what would it be?
Clementine:Close your eyes and jump. I think that that's, I mean, I just do it. Yeah. I mean, I don't like, But yet in the yoga world, the phrase is, change is constant. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Right. And so I often, because I don't like change personally, have to just close my eyes and jump. And every single time I've done that, I've never died. I've never broken a bone, I've never been homeless, I've never been hungry. I. Have and my people around me have taken care of me. Yeah. It's been scary,
Alex:but you've, you've gotten It's
Clementine:terrifying. Yeah. So and so I think it's just close your eyes and jump close your eyes and
Alex:jump well, shit. Thanks for coming on. Hey, thanks. Um, I'm glad that this worked out for the, the second time and, uh, I just really enjoy conversing with you. Yeah, it's great. So thanks. Thanks.