From High School Mound To Sustainable Pitching: Structure, Health, And Real Development

Want to know why so many promising pitchers break down just as they hit college—and what to do about it? We sit down with Coach Brian Hull, a high school baseball coach and former National PE Teacher of the Year, to map out a practical path from raw talent to durable success. Brian opens up about dominating in high school, tearing his labrum in college, and realizing that missing structure, poor mechanics, and a rushed rehab—not a lack of grit—derailed his career. That experience inspired him to build a 275-page pitching manual built on structure, consistency, and health, designed as a one-stop guide for players and parents.

We get specific about the root causes of arm injuries. Dr. McGovern breaks down the Tommy John formula: drift (center of mass racing forward too early) and shrug (upper traps hijacking the shoulder). Those two errors quietly add stress to every throw until something gives. From there, we challenge radar-gun culture with a better hierarchy—deception, command, then velocity—and a smarter lens on performance using OP10, an efficiency stat that tracks outs per 10 pitches. You’ll hear how pressure changes mechanics, why 78 can play like 85 when tunneling is right, and how pitch counts hide the real load an arm endures.

We also tackle the travel ball treadmill: 80 to 90 summer games, pitching one day and catching the next, with little oversight of mechanics, workload, or recovery. Instead of quick fixes and heavy plyo balls on unprepared bodies, Brian lays out the habits that actually protect arms: daily warm-ups, simple mechanical drills, consistent throwing progressions, and solid movement patterns like a real squat. We look to longevity models—think Clemens and Rivera—for proof that control and efficiency beat highlight-chasing slinging.

If you’re a parent, player, or coach tired of seeing arms fail before futures begin, this conversation offers a clear blueprint. Subscribe, share with a baseball family that needs it, and leave a review telling us the one habit you’ll change this week.

Transcript

Meet Coach Brian Hull

SPEAKER_02 0:01

Hey everybody, this is Dr. Kevin McGovern with I know. I haven't been on the podcast in a while. It was New Year's. I took time off. You know, it is what it is. But today I've got a very special guest. I've got a high school coach, Brian Hull, from all the way from Colorado. And through the process of the internet, we're able to connect online. It's amazing. So, Brian, man, thanks for coming on. I appreciate your time. And tell the audience a little bit about yourself, besides the fact that you were uh teacher of the year. So let's you can start with that first.

SPEAKER_00 0:32

Yeah, hey, Kevin. Thanks for having me on. So, yeah, my name is Brian Hull. I've been coaching high school baseball for about 15 years. And professionally, I was a physical education teacher for 11 years. And back in 2020, I was uh honored to be the national PE teacher of the year, which I still some even up to this day, I still can't believe. But I'm extremely passionate about not just student development, but baseball being my life essentially. I'm extremely passionate about having my players be the best version of themselves. And obviously, they can't be the best version of themselves unless they work hard in a very smart way, and they've got to stay healthy. And I know we're gonna talk a little bit about the handbook we were talking about, but my primary basis off that was structure, consistency, and health, and giving high school athletes these days the guidance they need, because I don't really think there's much out there anymore for the high school level and giving them the basis to play at the next level.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

I love it. So you tell me a little bit about your background. You pitched in college and you got hurt, right? So tell me a little bit about that, and more importantly, what you learned from that, because that's always key.

Overuse In High School And First Injury

SPEAKER_00 2:01

Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna actually start in my high school career. So I was a really good high school pitcher, I was an all-state pitcher my senior year, and I was always a statistical guy. I was obsessed with stats. So when I graduated high school, I was looking back at my innings pitched, and believe it or not, I pitched at a 4A high school, and in looking back at all the classifications 1A to 5A, I had the most innings pitched in the entire state of Colorado.

SPEAKER_01 2:36

Oh, wow.

Mechanics, Rehab Gaps, And Lessons Learned

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Which I was like, man, cool. I was a workhorse, I must have been pretty good. Well, I get a scholarship to play at a D2 college in the Denver metro area, along with my identical twin brother, which is I'm a left-handed pitcher, he's a ready, okay, yeah. All right, and it's funny because both of both of us felt like we were more than ready to play college, like skilled-wise, we were ready. But what we didn't know is all of the abuse we had taken in high school without any weight training, plio work, resistance work. So, my first semester, freshman year of college, I'm throwing a bullpen, and something just does not feel right at all. So, long story short, I end up tearing my labrum. So I had to get, and they just did a debrisment that day. They said it was not bad enough, but I needed it cleaned up and I needed to really strengthen my rotator cuff, all the muscles around my shoulder, around the labrum. So I did that. And again, it was a five-month rehab, which in hindsight was nowhere near long enough what it should have been. So I didn't have the guidance of doing what I was supposed to do. So after my freshman year, I transferred to a small NAIA in Kansas, and I'm throwing a bold pin in the full. After one pitch, I knew I was done. So I get another MRI, they rated it a seven out of ten tear. It was a posterior labor tear. And knowing everything I know now, it was due to poor mechanics. I was really herky jerky. I threw across my body, I had a very long stride, and now I was doing all the strengthening stuff that I should have been, but that wasn't more to compensate than poor mechanics, not a good regimen in between starts or throwing days. So when I just got this pitching coaching job, I'm all about structure, guidance, and consistency. So my preface was well, I had a bunch of stuff I had in the previous 14 years of coaching, and I was trying to synthesize all the information, and I thought it was going to be about one or two hours. Well, the more I'm digging and digging into my stuff, this turned into like a four or five month project because I just didn't feel right about stopping with what I had. I wanted to really uh lengthen the product, so it was a one-stop shop for parents and players in my program.

SPEAKER_02 5:31

Awesome. So we have connected by uh social media, right? And you let me see if I can share my screen here. You have created something really unique, really special, because you know that like you said, and I'm sharing my screen now of uh this manual, which has 20 chapters to it, and we can go through some important features of of this, but this is available, and we're going to you're sending this to people selling it. What are you doing with this?

SPEAKER_00 6:16

Yeah, so uh I'm definitely making it available online. It's been really hard to really get out on the market just because as we were kind of talking offline, you're not sure what information a trust these days, you don't know what's legitimate and what's not. But I've been basically just trying to get it out to the variety of Facebook groups. I'm in, a lot of the baseball specific groups. And then I'm hoping word of mouth, again, my goal, like I know your goal is to save a million arms. Well, my goal is to just make a positive difference in pitchers' lives, whether they're local, whether they're in my program, whether they're in another country. I just don't want pitchers to really live to the experiences that I had, which was lack of structure, lack of legitimate coaching, and lack of positive people around me that was able to actually make sense of what they were trying to coach so that I didn't injure myself.

Creating A 275-Page Pitching Manual

SPEAKER_02 7:17

Yeah, so what what I'm saying, and this this this manual is fantastic. So what I'm seeing out there is you're the typical case, right? What what I get like cringe worthy is someone just like you get injured, go to the doctor. Doctor says the R-word, rest, which cures nobody, okay, that doesn't fix a thing. Or, you know, doctors do two things medicator operate. So the medication side would be the rest. Here's some anti-inflammatories, or like in your case, you know, we're going to do surgery. Okay, but and then well, let's start a throwing program. Right. Okay. But we haven't addressed the root cause of why you got injured in the first place. And I'm constantly battling parents, like your son has not addressed what caused the injury. Now, it could be a mechanical cause, it could be a functional movement cause, it's probably both. But, you know, how how how are you addressing that? And they're like, well, they saw physical therapy. Oh, great. They did basic shoulder stuff like you did, strengthen this up. But like you said, your mechanics are off and no one corrected them. And there's a huge gap. And then, of course, you see things online like throwing pile balls and all this stuff. So, what challenges are you having with the high school athlete to keep them healthy? Yeah, I know you just mentioned off there you've got some guys who are already injured, and you did send me a video of someone coming off injury, and I wasn't really happy with that video at all, as you know. So, but we, you know, so tell me tell me what's going on on your end with that.

Getting The Manual To Players And Parents

SPEAKER_00 9:06

Yeah, I mean, I I think not just specifically this year, but in my 15 years of high school, I'd say the biggest hindrance is all the guys, again, uh, with no blame, is they want to play, play, play, they want to get in front of colleges, they want to play for the best comp teams, but they're also overworking themselves significantly to where by the time they get to us, they're almost so broken down on the inside, where even if we follow a good regimen and we're doing the functional movement stuff and preventative arm care stuff, a lot of times what I've seen is the damage has already been done. And I'm I am seeing, I know I had off-air, I had mentioned the podcast I listened to about the plyo bulb and drive line. And I'm just all about research and evidence, and I keep telling a lot of the players I've either coached or currently coaching that data doesn't lie. So there's always gotta be alternatives we can do that still make a short-term improvement versus the long-term consequences of injuring torn eight uh UCLs, torn labrum's, strained rotator cuffs. So I'd say the biggest hindrance is just one, getting everyone on the same page on medically what is right versus we can still work you out, but we've got to be really smart about it because a lot of guys they're all about the radar gun. We can be first week off of the summer season, they're wanting to throw mid to upper 80s, and velocity is nice, but it's not everything. You can get away with 75, 76 if you know how to pitch, and you can actually repeat your mechanics and the delivery, so your command is top-notch.

The Root Causes Doctors Miss

SPEAKER_02 11:10

Well, I got two follow-ups with that. So, yeah, a couple years ago, I had a client from Coastal Carolina, and they were he didn't play in the national championship team. He might have been one year removed. He got there a year after, and he actually came up from Pennsylvania to my office. And at the time, Coastal Carolina had five or six guys out, pitchers hurt, and goes back to it, and and his mom, and I'm like, oh my God, what are they doing? And his mom said, to this day I repeat this constantly. His mom said, the most intelligent thing I've heard, just like you said, how do we know they didn't come to school already damaged? And I'm like, yeah, wow, you're right. You know, how do we know that that 18-year-old arm isn't 35 in wear and tear from what from all the stuff, the bad stuff they did in high school, then they come to college and they and they hurt. I mean, I've got so many guys the first and second year of college that are just on the shelf from getting hurt. You know, they're trying to make a big impression, and they go out, try to throw it 3,000 miles an hour, and the next thing you know, that's it. I mean, half my half my stable are guys that are hurt. Fresh, they're freshmen and sophomores of college that are hurt because of that exact same thing. And that, like you said, like the velocities and everything. That's why I have this, I kind of created this stat called OP 10, right? Because at the end of the day, we love to have seven innings or nine innings with you know 27 pitches. It's about out, right? And we look at pitch count, and I think pitch count did okay for a while. But as you know, you can have two players throw 50 pitchers, 50 pitches. One guy is in the sixth inning, the other guy is in the third inning. And that's why I did the stat, which is essentially innings plus errors divided by or outs, whatever the heck it was. But it's showing like how many pit how many outs can you get per every 10 pitches, is what it is what it measures. Because pitch count doesn't tell you anything. It just tells you, well, there's the limit, but doesn't certainly at all tell you how efficient you are. And I think efficiency is a dying. I mean, you can watch a kid, oh, he's you know, 94 on the radar gun. Yeah, but he's 3-2 on every pitch, three 3-2 on every batter, 3-2 on every batter, you know, can't can't throw it in the into the ocean. Oh, well, he's 96. Great. So so was Charlie Sheen. So was Charlie Sheen in, you know, the wild thing. The wild thing, right, exactly. In major league. He was 96 too, couldn't couldn't hit the couldn't hit the ocean.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Well, and I always like to tell my guys is just to your point where there's catches that don't where you're not in much stress versus the pressure situations, and more times than not, in a pressure situation, your mechanics are probably gonna deviate a little bit just because you're under so much pressure. So it's more like I can throw 50 pitches, but it can be three up, three down each inning versus to your point, base is loaded for the first two innings. I'm really under the gun here, and I'm just trying to force the ball, force the ball. My mechanics are gonna change, even in even if it's something small, and then I'm causing more harm versus the guy that's just effortlessly throwing even 75. Yep, just throwing strikes and they're not fighting against themselves, they're throwing downhill and all that good stuff.

Overwork, Velocity Chasing, And Data

SPEAKER_02 14:56

Because I still go, I still ask, you know, we'll set Nolan Ryan aside, but I don't think Nolan Ryan's got no hitters, not perfect. I'm like, how many perfect games of all the perfect games thrown in Major League Baseball, how many of those pitchers were over 98 miles an hour? Zero. Yeah. Zero. Okay. It's a you know, I just saw you know, Maddox, a 75 pitch, a 75 pitch, not a game. Like, like he wouldn't even get a look today. Like it's just insane. Guy won, you know, 300, I don't know, 70 games. He wouldn't even get a look. It's insane. To me, it's uh it's still about outs. And like you said, with this these the stats, the stats, the stats, the stats, the stats. I think that's killing baseball. I mean, you look at like flip over Jim Palmer's baseball card one day and look at the amount of complete games. He he threw like 20 or more complete games for like all these years in a row. There's not 20 complete games in the American League East. It's insane. It's insane. And I know baseball's changed, it's more specialized, but these guys can't get out. Every time, oh, third time through the lineup, that's it. Well, what does that what does that mean? Why am I paying$35 million? You can't go three times through the lineup. What is that?

SPEAKER_00 16:21

It's it it's it's interesting, and it it really is mind-blowing with how much the game has changed, but I don't think the picture has really changed. I think everything around the picture has changed to where this is where we are now. And then of course the high school guys, it is interesting how crazy the velocity is now. I remember even 15 years, like 90 was considered like upper v-lo, and now if you're not throwing 98, you're considered a command guy, right? But the high school players see that, and then they come out at practice just 100% effort almost with their first throw, and it's like, guys, what are we doing? This is not how we prepare here.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

So I run into that a lot, you know, when I when I'm like, look, pitching is about disrupting timing. And you want to be a good pitcher, you need to throw all three of your pitches to all four corners with a plate on any count. Three, two, bases loaded. You want to change up down in a way, you got to be able to do it. So, what do you sell, you know, then you know, and I'll get well, my coach just wants me to rip fastballs, or or or what do you what do we tell parents or players that the coach pushes back on a lot of these health things because there are coaches out there who do that for sure.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Absolutely, and like back to my handbook. One thing, and I actually got this hierarchy from Eric Jung, who's was the pitching coordinator for the Padres, and he prefaced it really in a way that resonated with me, where in order he thinks deception, command, and velocity are the third most important. Now, velocity being number three out of the list of three.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

Well, because everyone can get a fastball, you can't play. Correct, right?

Efficiency Over Pitch Counts: OP10

SPEAKER_00 18:29

If you aren't deceiving and you you've got good off-speed stuff, and you can hit spots and you can maybe be 78 on the radar gun with the fastball. Well, if you're deceptive enough, that 78 may look like 85. If you're curveball, curveball, fastball up, change up down, fastball inside, that may look 85. So it's not so much objectively the velocity, it's how it looks. If you're tunneling right, if fastball comes out here, curveball comes out here, hitters are guessing. So the first like two-thirds with the ball on the way to the plate, if it looks the same, again, your 74 mile an hour fastball may look 80 to a really good hitter if you're able to deceive them.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

100% completely agree. So let's get to talk about the elephant in the room, which are parents, right? I've got the biggest difficulty with parents, and you know, obviously, no parent on the planet, I would think, would want to hurt their child. But so many times, you know, I have like I was telling you off air, I have a disclaimer that, you know, when I talk to a parent and give them medical advice and they do something opposite, you know, I've got a I've got to, as they say, cover your ass. And I literally have a disclaimer that says, hey, we went over this stuff. You're choosing to, you know, you get expert medical advice, you're choosing to do something else. Great, but I'm just you know, letting you know that you have it and what you do with it is on is on you. What do you run into with parents either now or in the past? With you know, my kid's gotta pitch division one, he's gotta go here, he's gotta go there, he's gotta go there, he's gotta, you know, whatever. What's been your experience?

Command Beats Velo Under Pressure

SPEAKER_00 20:21

Yeah, um not so much this year, but in the past, I think it's just having false hopes for their kid in the sense that they think division one are being drafted is much easier said than done. And one thing I've always seen is I don't think they quite understand what competitive ball and travel ball is these days. So they think, well, we can't play for the high school team in the summer. We need to be with other kids that are on the college track, which I'm not against that, but more times than not, I see these coaches. One, they don't really coach in the summer. They're just like, here's the lineup, go, and they're not keeping track of workload or they're not training mechanics. So, kind of what I alluded to before is the kids are throwing and throwing and throwing with no proper rest or work in between to strengthen shoulders and elbows back up, but then by the time they get to the high school season, they're already broken down. And I know in the program I'm currently in, three of our top guys are either hurt or have been hurt. And without me knowing too much about them, because I'm still trying to learn all of the guys in the program, but the common denominator is they've all been in competitive travel teams in the summer where they're playing a 80, 90 games. I know one kid pitched all summer, and when he wasn't pitching, he was behind the plate catching. So even the workload of throwing the ball back to the pitcher takes a toll on you.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

And they don't have the strength to where even if they want to throw the plyo balls, one, I'm totally against them, anyways.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

But they're not even physically ready to throw those because they don't have the muscle progression that a guy should have, even if they wanted to consider using the thing, they're not even adult, they're not even fully developed, they're not even fully grown. Yeah, it's it's it's it's crazy. So tell let's get back to your manual. How many hours did it take you, man? This is impressive.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

I wish I kept track. I'm almost glad I did because I don't want to know how many hours it took.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

So now it's coming up. It's 275 pages, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:05

Yep, and a big chunk of it is like references and professional resources that I referenced in creating it, but the core of it is about the section 18 would be the end of it. So without the cheat sheets and references, we're at about 195 pages.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

I love it. What was your favorite part to work on?

SPEAKER_00 23:36

Honestly, my favorite part was probably the mechanic section and then the throwing program section. And I would say that's because, again, speaking of my personal experience, I felt like if I had this when I was in high school playing, I could have almost taught myself in a sense of what I needed to do to be consistent, but also smart while also building myself up to where I was ready for the insane workload that I had.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

Now, getting back both times. So when did you when do you think you were injured? Do you think you were injured in high school? It just didn't pop up till you get to college, or were you injured in college or kind of in the summer? When do you think you became injured?

SPEAKER_00 24:26

I think I became injured in high school without really knowing it, to where by the time I got to college, it's your full-time job essentially. So I wasn't ready for the demand and workload that it takes to be a college pitcher. So I didn't have the symptoms in high school, but I think the damage was already done. So by the time the workload ramped up, there's no way my body and shoulder was able to handle it.

Deception, Command, Then Velocity

SPEAKER_02 24:57

So, what advice would you give a junior pitcher? You know, that's pretty much the year they're looking at him for college. So, what would you say to keep him healthy? What are some tips you would tell them as a coach? Former player's been injured, been there, done that. What would you say?

SPEAKER_00 25:15

So I would definitely say, hey, sit down with me. We're gonna really look in sections three and four of this manual here, and it's proper mechanics. Again, you can be a good pitcher with poor mechanics. So you're good in high school, but then you're no good to any college program because you're not gonna be able to stay healthy, and then having a proper warm-up and throwing progression to where once you do those daily, when we start throwing and when we start actually throwing off the mound, we can hone in on mechanics because at least we would know your body's now ready for this, so then it is super, super, super small mechanical drills. And I always tell my guys if a guy like Paul Skeens, I took my nine-year-old son to watch him live at Cruz Field, it's even crazy a guy at his caliber, what he does before a start. He starts as basic as my nine-year-olds do, and it's because it's muscle memory, it's training your body to move properly, even though you do this for a living, you can't take it for granted.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

Right. That's a really good point. It's a really good point. I always say, you know, it's you know, a black belt is a master of the basics of a white belt, and you still have to do white belt activities every day to be a black belt pitcher. It's just it's just how the bot, it's just how the body works. So how do people contact you? How do they get a hold of this of this manual? And obviously, they can contact me because I have a copy, but how do they how do they how do they get a hold of you?

Travel Ball, Workload, And Breakdowns

SPEAKER_00 27:05

Yeah, so what I did is I have a actually pretty robust uh PE website from when I was teaching. And um, my website is purposefulpe.com. Okay, and I have a post on the website of kind of how to contact me, how to get the handbook or the manual. That's the best way, but I've been trying to market it the most on all my different Facebook baseball groups. I think I'm in about all of them now. And I have made uh posts, but uh my email is Brianholdpe at gmail.com. You can email me or even just go to the purposeful PE website and click on the post, and then all the information is there on how to access it.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

Well, that's awesome. Well, hey man, I appreciate you coming on. I will definitely have you on as a guest as we continue, maybe you know, halfway through your season, you can let us know what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 28:08

Absolutely. And before we get off, I just wanted to see if you can, in an easiest way, talk about your Tommy John formula. I'm so intrigued at all of your videos analysis and you're always referring to as the Tommy John formula. What would you say are the two biggest mechanical flaws that fit into your TJ formula?

SPEAKER_02 28:35

Sure. So like hitting, right? Stepping in the bucket, right? So the drift, you know, and everyone's like, oh, yeah, drifts. The drift is moving your center of mass too far forward too soon, right? That we get out ahead of our body. And then the shrug, right? Overfacilitation of the upper traps, right? So taking out of your glove, being in here, once your traps fire, that's opposite of how the shoulder moves, the shoulder blade when should as you lift your arms up, should depress, okay, when it comes up. And everyone does it, right? Because they're on this all day, they're here all day, they're video gaming all day. I've never seen a kid, and and you can look at my social media, you see me testing that. It's part of my game test that you'll see. Even pro players, their first move is to shrug, and that you just start the egg timer, they will get hurt unless that's fixed.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

So that's the inverted double U.

What To Teach Junior Pitchers

SPEAKER_02 29:31

Yeah, or just I mean, even if they take it out, I mean, you know, anytime that this happens, it's kind of like two elevators going up to the top, and you will, it's literally only a and that's exactly what happened with you. I I can guarantee if I saw video of you, you were here. It's the only way you tear a lab, but we got bone on tendon. And it is by far, it's the the most basic fundamental movement of the shoulder. So if you don't have that in correct kinesiological order, how can you do a high-level activity? It's kind of like you built a skyscraper putting in the penthouse first and forgetting about the parking garage that buildings coming down, and that's the biggest thing that I say.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

And last thing, because I'm sure a lot of my players, I'm gonna send them and the families this link to the podcast. I know you're a huge fan of Mariana Rivera and Roger Clemens from a mechanical standpoint, they're not pitching anymore. Which current pitcher in the MLB today would you say if you can clone yourself to look like this, you'll be fine?

SPEAKER_02 30:40

Zero.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

Zero. Zero. Okay.

The Tommy John Formula: Drift And Shrug

SPEAKER_02 30:44

I haven't seen one yet. Like I've done Scoobyl, Skeens. I mean, obviously, Shohei is like just accelerates uphill. Yeah. None of those. No one today mimics Clemens, Rivera, Schilling. I shouldn't so it's a little bit of a roll this Chapman, okay? But the review I did on Chapman, you'll see that he's drop on his drop and drive, he bends his knee forward over his toes. Always been suffering with knee pain, right? Wears a brace constantly. And that is so simple to fix without changing it, but whatever. And he but he's got a really long arm path, but he stays back the longest. So it gives his arm time to catch up, and eventually he throws downhill. But that was recently corrected because with the Yankees, he threw and the Cubs, he was throwing uphill. So I know he went to someone to overhaul his mechanics. So he's he's probably the closest, but I mean, again, look at Clemens. I mean, you know, look how many innings, how long he pitched, Rivera. I mean, Rivera was only injured, you know, catching fly balls in the outfield, right? You have to look at guys, you have to look at the guys who have had the longevity, and we're not doing that. We're we're we're like we've went from driving the ball to home plate with our body to slinging it with our arm. And that's the slingers, you're gonna lose. And you are losing, right? The injury rate is up 500%. You know, we'll start now, you know, go watch ESPN, right? Once a day, and there's a guy on there's a guy on social media, his I forget, it's Tommy John something. Every time there's a Tommy John injury, he was a guest on my podcast. He'll he'll have it, but you'll see, you know, there'll be three 20 to 30 guys go down in spring training every year. You know, I I don't get it. I don't, and there's no changes made. There's no changes made to their mechanics, which drives me absolutely insane. I don't get it.

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Well, and and the last thing I just wanted to mention, which I love everything you're about because you're about the functional nodes.

SPEAKER_01 33:09

No, guys, I'm not paying him to say this. I wanted to end this podcast 10 minutes ago.

SPEAKER_00 33:15

But a lot of pitchers do want to drop and drive, but what I see is their knees are over their toes, they're not squatting where the pressure's in the back hip or the upper boot.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

They don't know how to do a squat. Part of my testing is they literally do not know how to squat. And this goes way back to drive around anywhere and we'll see empty basketball courts, empty fields. Like when I was a kid, it was go out and play, come back at lunch, go out and play, come back at dinner, go out and play, come back when the street lights are on. We're in a whole new generation where kids only move off their phone, their iPad, or their TV to do an organized activity. It's the only time they get exercise, the only time they move around. And if they're not learning the basics of fundamental movement, which you will learn if you do things, and the kids can't squat, they'll come in here. Oh, I can deadlift, you know, 300 pounds, and I do a squat and I push them over with one finger. Be like, you know, interesting. Like, do you realize that you have lifted 300 pounds using all compensatory mechanisms? Do you have back pain? Well, yeah. Your hamstrings tight, yeah. Yeah, because you're moving incorrectly. No one's supervising you or the person supervising you has no idea how to deadlift. But again, just like with velocity, you're ringing a number, my personal best, 300 pounds. Yeah, but you can't do a squat. And these kids can't. I want the guy in control of his movement the whole time. You watch Clemens, he's in control. All these guys now are falling forward. You're out of control. And if you're out of control, it's gonna catch up to you. You have to be in control of your movement at all times, you have to be Tiger Woods. And what I mean by that is if you've ever seen the video where Tiger Woods stopped his downswing when someone heckled him, go to YouTube, watch that. That's where you have to be as a pitcher. You have to be in control at all times. Because if you can stop a golf swing that's a hundred and some miles an hour, you're in control of your body. And with that, I hope you come back on.

SPEAKER_00 35:32

Yeah, no, thanks so much, Dr. McGovern. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

Thanks for having me. Or thanks. I'm glad you came. Thanks for coming. I appreciate it. All right, guys. Next podcast soon, I promise. It won't be this long of a delay. Thank you to Brian for coming on, and I appreciate you very much, Brian. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 35:49

Thank you again.