I am Inevitable

'Spider-Noir' Episodes 5-8 & NBA Finals Preview

I am Inevitable

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The brothers are back to finish up 'Spider-Noir'. After that, they preview the NBA Finals between the San Antonio Spurs and the New York Knicks.

Hosts: Caleb & Chase
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SPEAKER_00

This is Home Television Podcast for Top Right Fruit from the Television. My name is Caleb Chase. What up?

SPEAKER_01

Doing good, bro. How about you?

SPEAKER_00

Doing great. We're gonna talk about um Spider Noir, uh, the rest of the show, episodes five through eight. Um Chase, let's get right into it. Um, I'm gonna go ahead. We're we're probably gonna go ahead and go episode by episode, but Chase, overall, uh, what did you think about this uh show? Did you like it?

SPEAKER_01

It was good, man. Yeah, I wasn't sure what to expect from um Amazon's prime version of Marvel, but I'd say they did their thing.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I I agree. Oh, overall, I liked it. Um a few of these later episodes I wasn't as big of a fan of, which obviously we're about to talk about. Um but overall, I it was it was a it was a solid show. I don't really I don't really have any too big of uh too big of a complaint about it. Um yeah you know, but let's get right into it, Chase. Episode five. Um, this is funny because in our last podcast, I mentioned that one of the things I loved about the show is that like there's not really much exposition, there's no like origin story, and then boom, episode five, we'll get an origin story. Um you know, about our guy Ben Riley over in uh, you know, in World War One, and you know, people are people are doing their little super soldier crap. Um, you know, and that's pretty much you know how he gets his powers and how all the super villains get supervillains get their powers. Um what'd you think about that, man? Like they're they they went with like the Captain America thing. Um, what'd you think about it?

SPEAKER_01

I thought it was pretty dope. It's a good way to tie in the time period that they were trying to represent. You know, we got the 1930s, 40s uh detective vibe. So of course some of these people were in World War II, and the Germans, the Nazi scientists, were actually experimenting on people. So I feel like it uh it's very fitting for them to add that along. It's not just uh them biting Captain America style. Because hell, they even had some of this in um X-Men too, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, in first class, yep.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, I I thought it was a nice addition.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, no, it was it was cool. Um man. The thing that really pissed me off this episode though is uh it's f it's it's fucking it's fucking uh it's fucking uh cat, you know, like our guy Ben, he goes out of his way to explain his origin to her, you know, and like just the first time something pops up, she she she freaking betrays him, you know.

SPEAKER_01

She freaking Yeah, that shit was crazy. Yeah, that was wild. She was trying to um say Flint, like that was the means to the end, but gave that man secret identity up, like it was nothing, bro. Didn't even need to be threatened.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and also like earlier in the episode, you know, this dude Ben, like, I don't know, like like she he had just pretty much explained all this to her. Then out of nowhere, he's like, hey, you know, let's pack our stuff and move out and move out of town. I'm like, bruh, I'm like, bro, this is happening a little too fast. Like you barely even know this girl. Um, and then yeah, she betrays you.

SPEAKER_01

Um yeah, for the uh tough streetwise cop or detective or whatever, he was very uh simpy with that situation.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I would have sent for it too, man. I mean, look at her. Real. You know, I would have I would have sent for it too. But I'm I I'm kind of glad that didn't end up happening because I would I I would have felt like like man, this shit is happening like way too fast.

SPEAKER_01

Also, it leaves us for room, it leaves us room for a possible season too, if you know, this man doesn't uh run away from the city and lives happily ever after.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. So she pretty much gives him away to uh to is it uh is it a Dr. Faber or whatever? Um, and yeah, they pretty much, you know, they pretty much they pretty much kidnap this dude, and we'll go to episode six. Or episode six, uh our guy Benny pretty much spends the entire episode in a bed. Um Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I was gonna say, I was wondering how you felt about this. Was this a rough watch for you?

SPEAKER_00

Well, I mean, well, I'll just say this though, like the first part where I'm trying to remember what was the first part where like there was like the huge spider. I don't remember. Um so like he was um because I remember I remember I remember being a huge spider, and then after that, I remember them like cutting him open and then like spiders coming out of his body or whatever.

SPEAKER_01

Um yeah, I was like I think he was hallucinating while he was drugged up, like none of that actually happened, but still very pop to see.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I was yeah, I I just I just had to I just couldn't watch, you know, like like that's a little too much for me. Um what would you think about episode six though?

SPEAKER_01

Episode six was good, it was interesting in the fact that uh Faber and um what was Buddy's name? Ogden.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I wasn't expecting them to go to that level, like full-on kidnapping him. But shit, y'all could have just like drew blood or something. Did you really have to be cutting him up? That shit was fucked. And then just like the timing, the way it all played out with um Silvermane and the gang and them coming through, like I was really wondering how Ben was gonna get out that jam.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Same here. Um, it I don't know, man. It was it was wild. Like five and six, I honestly wasn't too crazy about those episodes because I just felt like not a whole lot was happening. Like, I obviously we learned a lot. I get that. Like, obviously, we learned a lot about like the experimentation and stuff like that, um, and like how you know how he got to be how he is, or whatever. I just I just you know, I I just kind of felt myself getting a little bored with those two episodes. Um but I get it, yeah. Um, but then you go to episode seven. Episode seven was funny to me because I was watching five and six, I was like, I was like, man, we haven't seen this dude like fight anybody in a while. Um within episode seven, you know, we get it, we get a pretty nice bar fight, um, where you know our guys drunk as hell just fighting people in a bar. Um I I like that yeah, that shit was crazy. Yeah, no, I liked it. I liked episode seven, and I I liked it because you know, like like yeah, he's Spider-Man, but he doesn't really move like the other Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_01

Um, you know, like it doesn't help that he's already in his 40s, but also the 1940s, you know. He's uh he looked like he was uh into boxing, like he probably was into the same shit Captain America was, just a New York nigga. Let me learn how to swing on somebody.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it just it's it it just looks super it just looks super different. Uh and I mean that in a good way. Um because honestly, like if he was moving around and fighting out there like Tom Holland, it would it would for for the time period it wouldn't have felt as it wouldn't have felt it wouldn't have felt right.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. No, most deaf. So salute to them for going um with some variety with the fight choreography.

SPEAKER_00

Yep, also in this episode, um, Dr. Favors uh's lab gets destroyed and Dr. Favors also gets killed. Um, what'd you think about episode seven?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, um, I feel bad for Ogden because um like Ben literally asked him on the elevator, like, yo, what are you gonna do with your life now? He's like, I'm not sure. Probably help my mom. And yeah, no, that's literally the last thing he did. It just sucks because it happened like five minutes after they had that conversation.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. It's it's wild, man. Um, and then also, you know, we also see like a bunch of like a bunch of the other um, you know, I guess dead mutated people. They were they were kind of they were kind of like just hanging up like trophies. That was that was kind of wild.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Kind of gave me um I forget which one it was. I want to say Jurassic Park 3, but you get some tubes like that too, where the uh the failed experiments are but the real ones eventually come through and shit gets spooky.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it was kind of like it was kind of like uh it was kind of like uh Civil War. You remember in Civil War where uh where Cabin Bucky they went to look for all the other super soldiers, but they were already like dead or whatever.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yep.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. You know, so that was that was that was that was kind of wild. Um and then episode eight. If I'm being honest, episode eight was probably my favorite episode. I think I think that was probably the best episode. Like we had a lot of shit happening in this, you know, Silver Mane, Silver Mane gets killed. Um uh Ben, he Ben loses his powers for a little bit. Um and he and he and he has any and he has this guy uh Robbie Robertson put on the put on the mask. Um and yeah, he actually gets hurt for a little bit. Um, but yeah, what do you think about episode eight?

SPEAKER_01

Salute to Robbie for having uh superhuman durability, because bro, any other regular human get zapped the way he did, you're cooked. Like literally. But yeah, episode eight was good, man. I like um Ben having the yips or whatever you want to call it, you know. Man's had a lot on his mind over the last couple of days, and with everything that was going on, it's understandable your uh powers wouldn't be like working seamlessly, you know. Um I was not expecting um what's bro's name with the electricity powers?

SPEAKER_00

Uh mega something. I can't remember.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, like Megawatt.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, Megawatt, Megawatt.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I was not expecting him to be the uh the endgame villain. Like I thought there was gonna be some type of silver main uh kingpin type thing, you know?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Like he's actually like that in a fight. So it was a little uh it was good of them to throw off the trail that this guy would end up being the main villain because he's like the least known out of tombstone and um salmon too. So yeah, for him to end up being the main endgame villain was surprising to me, but it was a hell of a fight, too. I love what they were doing with that fight and uh the way that it ended. So I fucked with it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I like the episode. Uh the one thing I didn't care for is like towards the end where like where like Ben has this epiphany where he's pretty much just like, you know what? I think I've realized that I do need to be the spider and I do need to protect the city. You know, I don't know, like stuff like that makes sense for like a young a young person who's newer to this, but you know, I I just felt like for an older guy who's who's been at it for a while, uh it just kind of felt weird for him to have that epiphany at that point in time.

SPEAKER_01

You know, I feel like it was uh you got a new lease on life. You know, you do a job for 10, 20 years, whatever it is, you get jaded, you hate the industry, and then you have a moment that makes you remember why you started doing it anyway, in the first place. And I feel like that's what he was going through, you know. He was the uh the school principal that was tired of getting spitballs to the back of the head and like kids uh taping signs on his back. But now he uh he's revitalized and he's back in ready to be on it.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. Yep. Alright, um, yeah. So the the episode ends like that, but Chase, like what what do you think though? Do you want do you want a season two of this show? Do you think do you think a season two would work?

SPEAKER_01

I believe a season two would work. I'm curious as to how they would set it up. Like, um also I want to talk about um the way him and Kat ended things. That was kind of funny to me. I should have expected it, because I feel like that's uh a common trope for detective dramas. The guy doesn't get the girl, and he's just like beat it toots, you know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But um, yeah, I think there is room for a season two. It's just what will that look like? And hopefully they're able to seamlessly keep it a part of that timeline again. Like I feel like they knocked out of the park with uh season one, you know, we got the World War II stuff going on and um the flashbacks tying together, everyone being at that base. So yeah, how do you pull off another good eight episodes without us um getting caught up doing the time travel or different dimension thing, you know? Yeah, because I would love to see another just 1940s drama if they can do it.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. Uh I don't know. Like I wouldn't be like, I wouldn't be mad if they did another season, but like I don't I don't I don't I don't really need it, you know what I mean? Like I'm not I get that. Yeah after watching that, I don't feel like you know, like like like if they announced it tomorrow, like I'd be excited for it, but you know, it ain't it ain't something I'm like anticipating that much. Um also I'd be curious with another season how it works, like as far as like what new villains would get brought in, because yeah, like this feels like a super like grounded universe. Um so like I don't know like who's gonna pop up, like you know, throw like Doc Ock and Green Govin in this shit. Like that to me, those those type of villains don't really I don't think those type of villains would work in a black and white 1930s show like this. Uh I mean, I mean maybe who knows? Um like they did the Sandman thing, but this guy he also didn't fully feel like Sandman, like like yet, like he had the sand powers, but he wasn't you know just like a dude made out of sand, like you know, like the like the sandman from the Raimi uh movies or whatever.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, this was more like rock man.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So like I don't know. I mean, Spider-Man has a deep rogues gallery, so who knows? You can go with so many different people. Um, and I mean, I mean, hell, Kingpin started out as a Spider-Man villain, so maybe maybe they could do Kingpin, but then again, I don't know because the Silvermane, he kind of felt like Kingpin, so yeah, I was gonna say Kingpin would feel repetitive right after Silvermane. Yeah, so I I'm not villain-wise, I'm not really sure. I'm not really sure.

SPEAKER_01

But yeah, I do agree. Dock Ock and Green Goblin would be hard to pull off in this time period just because they're like they're tech based, you know? And Doc Ock, I could potentially see, you know, some uh German scientist from World War II working on robotics and shit. Green Goblin, I don't know how you pull off a hoverboard in 1930s, 40s, you know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, like was Nanotech really around back then? I'm gonna say no.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, maybe it's uh the lizard or something. Another scientist trying to uh cure moot mutinism, ends up uh experimenting on himself, and yeah. I could see something like that playing out.

SPEAKER_00

I mean that would that would actually make sense. That would actually make sense. All right, Chase, you got anything else to add for this uh show?

SPEAKER_01

Um salute to Lee Jun Lee. Yeah, she was dope in sinners, but yeah, she knocked it out of the park with this one.

SPEAKER_00

She's she's amazing. She's amazing. Um I want to say this though, Chase. Let me ask you this though, man. You know, we've had what like four different superhero shows so far this year. So between Spider Noir, Daredevil, The Boys, and Invincible, rank them for me.

SPEAKER_01

Man, um the prime superhero shows are not gonna be happy with me because maybe this is recency bias. I'm gonna say Invincible four, the boys three, spider noir two, daredevil one.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, so you got Spider Noir up there, huh?

SPEAKER_01

I feel like it stuck its landing better than the boys. As much as I was more hype about the boys season going into it, they had a lot of um weird direction choices that kind of um I won't say it took away from the season. I still enjoyed this season, but yeah, they had a few things that could have been better, and that kept it from being higher up on the list.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, okay, that's interesting. All right, Chase, before we get out of here, man, let's talk NBA finals. Um Chase, give me a prediction. Spurs or Knicks? How many games?

SPEAKER_01

Knicks and six.

SPEAKER_00

Six games.

SPEAKER_01

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00

What's your reasoning behind that?

SPEAKER_01

The Knicks have been cooking lately. You know they haven't lost a game in like a month or something. I know their composition hasn't been the greatest or as tough as the Spurs has been. But I feel like, yeah, that wave of momentum is gonna carry them into doing some good things. It's not just Brunson, OGN and Obi's been cooking. Cats had some big games. So yeah, they're uh they're firing on all cylinders right now. And I would love to see my boy Brunson get a ring. Nothing against San Antonio, fuck with them, but uh y'all got plenty of time to come back to the finals. Not saying the next don't, but the Spurs are just way younger.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, I'm taking I'm taking the Spurs in, I'm taking the Spurs in six. Um I just I just can't go against Wemby.

SPEAKER_01

Um yeah, he's a bad man.

SPEAKER_00

And like the thing with like like the Thunder, you know, like SGA struggled in that series. And honestly, I don't fully blame SGA, like, but the Spurs just got some niggas, bro. Like they just got some niggas who can guard. Um, for real.

SPEAKER_01

They're one of the teams that plays uh OKC really well.

SPEAKER_00

And I I'm gonna be honest though, like, I think I think they're gonna give Brunson the same issues.

SPEAKER_01

Um I can see that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like, I think I think Castle's not gonna have any problems guarding Brunson. Um now the main difference is that the Knicks have way more capable guys that can score. Because I mean the Thunder, the Thunder, when the Thunder lost Jay Will and Mitchell, it was kind of it became like really hard for them to score.

SPEAKER_01

Um Yeah, a lot of guys are struggling to get their own shot.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Knicks, the Knicks don't really have that problem right now. You know, OG's been hooping. Um Mikhail Bridges has been hooping. You know, Josh Hart, he'll Josh Hart will score every now and then.

SPEAKER_01

Um He's a good playmaker though. He's like smaller Draymond on offense, you know.

SPEAKER_00

Sure, sure, sure. Like, so yeah, like I do think I do think the Knicks can win. Um I'm just gonna I'm just I'm just gonna ride. I'm just gonna ride with the Spurs. Um, you know. I mean we'll we'll see. We'll we'll see what happens. So I I really I really don't know what's gonna happen. Like I said, though, because like I didn't I didn't I didn't even think the Spurs were gonna win game seven. And I mean, you know, they took that shit.

SPEAKER_01

So No, yeah, I definitely thought the NBA and the refs were gonna do them dirty in game seven. I'm really glad they didn't, though.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, even if I mean, even if they did, though, it's one of those things where it's like there's only so much the refs can do, you know, like if the Spurs just It's just better.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_00

You know.

SPEAKER_01

Also, um, that man Chet needs to do some real soul searching this offseason, man. Like.

SPEAKER_00

I wanted I wanted to talk about this. Um Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I um I like the fact that him and Wimby did have this like unicorn rivalry when they first got into the league. It's pretty obvious now that Victor blows Chet out of the water. But it's like, bruh, he had you playing scared that whole series, man. Played 30 minutes in game seven, only took two shots.

SPEAKER_00

It's like that's my thing with Chet, though, is like I don't really blame Chet for Wimby like you know having good games like offensively. It's a it's just like bro, you at least you at least have to try another, and you can't just not shoot.

SPEAKER_01

Right. Like I'm sorry, non-factor.

SPEAKER_00

Like, I'm sorry. Like it just doesn't, I'm sorry, man. Like, it just can't work like that.

SPEAKER_01

Bro, if Jalen Williams is hurt or out, you are the second best player.

SPEAKER_00

So, like, what are we doing? As much, as much as SGA struggled in the series, he was amazing in game seven, but he was cooping in game seven. And it's like, bruh, you you you like you need you need to help out SGA just a little bit, and it's right, it felt like every time he got the ball, he immediately passed it out to somebody else if Wimby was guarding him.

SPEAKER_01

And like, yeah, I feel like that's part of the reason why uh Shea struggled. Like, I'm not getting to the line like I usually do, but also my second option is playing like a bitch. Like, I have nothing going for me right now.

SPEAKER_00

So if you're the thunder, like what do you do? What do you think they need to do going in the offense? You think they need to make any big moves?

SPEAKER_01

I probably wouldn't if I'm them, or at least I'm not trading anyone in the big three just yet. But Chet's got a near-max extension kicking in, either next year or the year after that. J Dub too. Shea's got an extension coming up. So I feel like some of the young guys probably are getting traded. Either AJ Mitchell or um Kassan Wallace gets traded for, you know, another Caruso type deal. You trade young guys on their rookie deals for a savvy veteran who can help the locker room. I'd say that's probably like the biggest thing they do this offseason. I don't know who they end up trading, but I could see them making a move like that.

SPEAKER_00

If I'm trading anybody, it's not Mitchell. Like he he's making like three million a year. Like he's probably got like the best contract in the league right now. Um, I'm not I'm not I'm definitely not trading him. Um, I probably trade like I probably I give her like Dort. I think you can replace him.

SPEAKER_01

Um yeah, I think he's a free agent this year. I wouldn't, I wouldn't probably not coming back.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I wouldn't give rid of honestly. Wallace Wallace is probably like the most consistent player in the series.

SPEAKER_01

Um, Wallace is nice. I'm just wondering, like, I guess you could play him and SGA together, but he's he's pretty small for a shooting guard, but he makes up for it on defense. No, I'm just wondering how much he's gonna get paid because I feel like someone could, you know, do um do what the Rockets did to the Knicks with the Jeremy Lynch situation, just give him like a big ass contract that they won't want to match type shit.

SPEAKER_00

And I'm gonna be honest, I usually would be like just run it back, but I feel like they have to trade Chet. I feel like they have yes, because like you gotta think about sell high, not not necessarily. I mean, it ain't it ain't selling high right now the way he just played.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_00

It's selling low, but you got but you gotta think about it, man. Like the Spurs are gonna be their biggest threat in the West for the next like 10 years. And it's like it's like I'm sorry, bro. Like, if Chet's gonna play like that against Wimby, you're never gonna beat them.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_00

So it's like, I mean, unless I mean, I don't know, like I don't, I don't think I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't see this changing. The Chet Wimby, I don't I don't see that shit changing.

SPEAKER_01

Um, yeah, honestly, I really don't either. Chet's like he's kind of in the same position as Evan Mobley to me, to where it's like you have shown growth in your three or four years, but not as much as we were expecting. And the way Chet plays right now, I don't know that he ever gets to that Wemby level where he's putting up like 25 and 12, you know.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I don't think you need him to necessarily be that. I just need him to like not be scared against Wimby. Because to me, like, because to me, like outside of Wimby, like I think Chet's good. Like, I don't have no problems with Chet.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, no, Chet's actually very talented, it just sucks.

SPEAKER_00

There's against Wemby specifically, though, there's some kind of problem there. And uh, like, yeah, if you want to, if you want to, if you're gonna beat them, then you gotta fix that.

SPEAKER_01

Um, I mean, think about it. This man is literally he's you, but he's slightly better and bigger at everything. Got a couple inches on you, way longer wingspan. He's a better shooter, better dribbler. And uh yeah, Chet's whole thing is being a skinny rim protector, but he's not averaging four blocks a game.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I just I don't know, man. Like him only taking two shots in a game seven is insane.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, you cannot have that as a big three member of a good team. Like, that's unacceptable.

SPEAKER_00

Like Wimby's like Wimby's in his head. Um like I saw I saw somebody compare it to like the 92 finals where or you know, like where the bulls, where the bulls beat Portland, and like pre prior to that, people were saying, oh, you know, Clyde, he's he's he's on par with Jordan, and you know, Jordan destroyed him, and you know, Clyde was never really the same after that. Like I wonder if that's gonna I wonder if that's gonna happen to Chet.

SPEAKER_01

I can see it, man, because he he looks very fragile right now. I hate to say that because I do like him as a player, but yeah, mentally he is wet tissue paper right now. And um, I forget who it was, but I seen a tweet the other day. It was after game six, so before game seven even happened. But um somebody was like, I know Chet's just trying to hoop and live uh live a normal life, but he has to participate in whatever this thing is that Vic has going on with him. It's like, bro, you gotta step up to the plate. You don't have to have a better game than him, but don't disappear like this.

SPEAKER_00

You don't even have to be better than him, bro. You just have to try. Literally, yeah. Like if Chet would have gone like three for 12 or something, I can at least respect it.

SPEAKER_01

Mm-hmm. I can at least eight, six points instead of two, four, like, all right, you you got shut down, but you were doing something. You attempted something.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, I can you just can't try though, bro. Like, you he plays too many minutes. Like at least Hartenstein was getting buckets, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Um yeah, Hartenstein's a dog, bro. He goes out there and does all the scrappy shit that Chet won't. And I get it, he's bigger, like weight-wise, but even still, Chet laps him talent-wise on offense, so he should be putting in work too.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. Yep, yep. That's for sure. But, you know, that's all we got for today on I know podcast. Me and Chase will be back next week. Um, Chase, uh, have a good one. I'll uh talk to you later.

SPEAKER_01

You too, bro. Later, y'all.