Our main review this week is Triangle Of Sadness from Ruben Ostlund, which is nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars.
We begin as always with some general Film/TV/Entertainment chat, with our now customary game of 'Which is the fake film synopsis'. We hope you enjoy!
Our main review this week is Triangle Of Sadness from Ruben Ostlund, which is nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars.
We begin as always with some general Film/TV/Entertainment chat, with our now customary game of 'Which is the fake film synopsis'. We hope you enjoy!
Hello? Hello. How low budget. I don't. I don't embrace that again. That was good. That was. It just took me by surprise. It was a hello. Okay. Okay. So that was good when. You told us to be more. Upbeat. I know it sounds something. What? I wanted to seen it coming to see that come with me. Hello, and welcome to the Save the podcast. With me, Michael Coburn. I'm joined by my co-hosts from Across the pond in L.A., Michael Broccolini and Steve Hodgetts. How are you guys this morning? Very good. Excellent. Absolutely excellent. Very, very. Good. This one I've just realized I did promise that we would do another ridiculous film synopsis game, and I've totally forgot to prepare that for you. Oh, we can get. We can get Megan to prepare one. In the meantime. Oh, that would be amazing. Okay, fine. Three and then I guess. Oh, no, we all guess that's even better now. We all get. Yeah, she's on it. Good stuff. Good stuff. Just to let the listener know there will be spoilers. So if you don't want to know anything about Triangle of Sadness, then stop listening now. We try not to give too much away, but obviously there will be spoilers. So that's a warning for you. If you want to skip straight to the review and cut the hilarious intro waffle, then skip to minute 24. Thank you. Any news, your feature, Any news on that? Well, we just shot Marco Pierre White. Ooh. And the first day on set I told the director, Just be yourself, you know, because everyone with a little bit of scared and a little bit, you know, sort of like, but I just went, Look, man, just be yourself. He loves when people are authentic. And then he was like, okay. And then he went up to him. I was like, Hello, mate. And Marco just said, How dare you? I, I am not your mate. Where did you go to school? Blah, blah, blah, blah. He got so fucking pissed off, told everyone, and then by the end of it, we were supposed to have dinner there and he was just annoyed. In general, I don't want you guys to eat there. And it's the middle of nowhere. So we had the whole crew outside our great. Oh, yeah, yeah. He was furious. And then we gave him a call from here because, you know, me and Steve have a good relationship with him and. And his agent. We've been talking to them for ages, and we were the one who paid them a lot of money. So I'm trying to tread carefully here. I'm trying to picture Marco looking at me as I'm saying this was still okay, but I think until now is fine. And then we had a chat with him and said, What's going on? It's like, Hello, darling. I said, No problem at all. Yeah, I'll let them in. And he is an absolute he's a legend. He is that person that you see on TV, but he's absolutely bonkers as well. Well, I was going to say with maybe for the guy like that, I would almost be disappointed if it wasn't like that. If he was just like a regular dude. Like. Like, yeah, I no, I'm just an incredible chef. But you can't be such an incredible chef and a boring person. It turns out. It's just has this explosive personality. And it's funny, you mentioned the Asian and the Asian kind of like first time he talks about it, he referred to it. He said just just a warning about Marco. Yeah. You never know where you stand with them. Yeah, he can be lovely, but he's also a drunk. He does this when he asks questions and then he waits for ages. So do you know what I like to do, Michael? Oh, that. No. What's that? Silence. I like to cry. Yeah. Yeah, I like to provoke affection. Yeah. I thought about. Gone surfing. But behind the scenes videos, them shooting Mark outside the hotel for B-roll or whatever, quickly. And then Adrian, the director on set, goes up to, like, a great story, maybe like a bench or on the grounds we can just sit you on just a little bench, you know? Yeah. Long silence. Yeah. And then on stage. It's okay. Think he did ask to be fair? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But. But it's the, it's the. The sort of monosyllabic answers, but then it's the really interesting video from the eighties of Marcos speaking to a director for a BBC documentary and he's just chopping and she keeps asking Marco questions and he keeps saying yes and keeps chopping. Another question? No. And then eventually strikes against Marco. There's no point doing this if you're gonna be monosyllabic like it, well, then leave the restaurant. The door's over there. Yeah. You know, you pay me to chop mushrooms, chop the mushrooms, you pay me to cook the fish. The fish. But you're not giving me anything. This is a documentary. I want you to expand on your answers. Yeah. Then leave. To be honest, just get out. And I just want to say this. I'm. I'm not gay. Right? You've said this. The two concurrent podcasts now, right? Yeah, it's been a while. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how Megan magazines. Oh, no, it didn't happen last week. It happened on Banshee because you're not that fancy fancy Colin found. Right? Well, if and this is a private message to my wife, I love you very much, and I want to grow with you. You're the only person. Okay? I want to be with. However. Message for your boyfriend now. What I could. If I wasn't with my wife, I not only would I potentially be with Marco Pierre White if there was a way for me to be with Marco Pierre White voice alone, I could be happy. You know, Remember in Simpsons, The Head just the heads. Yeah, yeah. Seven Simpsons, where they have the dead people in the head. Oh, that's. Futurama. Futurama. Sorry that I could do that. I don't even need the head. I just the sound of his voice. So what would you have told that director now? Would you still sell people the same thing, or would you say, go and call him sir? I would have said the same thing, but I also added to it that call him sir. Exactly. Call him sir, until he says to you, Stop, stop doing it. Because that's the beautiful thing with Berkowitz, like, Stop calling me sir. You've shown ultimate respect. Yeah, there's a hierarchy, just like the military. Really, which I would argue, you know, is the strategy for any business would be maybe a little bit weird in an office, but could work. Because the thing is, they cut the fat in the sense that when it's service, there's no like, you can't hang around the watercooler kind of thing while doing business. Yeah, I'll do it later because it's right there. And then and so you need to cut the fat. Everyone needs to be seconds away for things to work. Therefore, you have that of course, you. Know, saves time. It saves time. Yeah. And then it's like a machine. And then I'm sure there are like, the one we're following now. Usman He's not like that at all. He's a very kind of smart, soft spoken observer. But you can tell on him if he is still quite direct, to be fair. But I guess it's similar to the old school film sets in a way, because they were all like military directors and they're all like, If you've got a short time frame, Yeah, and you need things to be done right quickly. There's no time for like taking someone aside, speaking to them in a way that they might find less upsetting for them. It's just like you tell them exactly what you want and you tell them exactly how they fucked up and then you move on. And this is where I think the first place we're going to be replaced by robots. Yeah, because it takes so long to find human beings that are so passionate in their work that they're willing to do that for you to learn something. Otherwise, it's the inexperienced people who are running the show and it's like, how does that how does that produce the results that you want? They we were just old school. Maybe. Maybe everyone being polite to each other will get things done quicker in the future. Who knows? But there is a sort of a theme of that in this film that we're talking about today, which I should have mentioned already. We're doing Triangle of Sadness. Yes. Um, partly because it's up for Oscars, It's up for best picture. Um, which leads me to one thing I wanted to talk to you about you guys about in general. I mean, work. We're doing it because whatever's up for best picture is a is a is a talking point, you know? Yeah, but do you guys how much stock do you guys put in in the Oscars? Is it something that you will watch. Yeah. It's just like Michelin like I think of course there's some politics there. But it should be said don't send up decent enough. Well, I always think generally with Oscar movies, you know I think as far as art is concerned, if you were to put film in that bracket of art, that that probably wasn't truly within the art bracket. Right? Because I think that there's, generally speaking, a message of social commentary amidst all the beautiful performances and cinematography and direction and set design and whatever else. But I think they have to be meaningful in some way and sort of transcend. Yeah. Your general thriller with Liam Neeson on a plane, you know, shooting people in the face. Yes. I think there's some there's something meaningful to them in general as a sort of, you know, separate from your regular Crush Bond movies. This is why I always enjoy them, because I take something away. You know, after watching. Ah, but interestingly, though, this year I think it's probably changing. Recently, Work Wakanda Forever and Top Gun Maverick are both up for best picture. They are. They are the is so I. I don't know really. I guess it's good that you're mixing types of films to show that you're not just one or the other. I haven't actually watched in a while because I got a little bit. I started wondering whether there's too much politics involved, but I guess that's a kind of tired discussion because in a way there's always going to be politics involved and it doesn't mean that those films shouldn't be there. I guess I just they're not they don't tend to be the films that I think are the best that end up winning. We'll see what happens this year. Yeah, but they tend to be quite fresh and new and they're using new techniques even. I mean, we could talk a maverick, right? I mean, it's that's a very good action movie, but it is, you know, the stunts in that were sort of arguably new in a way. I mean, they're flying the planes to rail and putting all these cameras on these jets and that. Yeah, how many times that's been done before? What kind of forever? Well, I don't know whether it's revolutionized VFX that I don't know. But they usually break new ground in and he's. Just not particularly someone that's the only one. I can't work out what they thought was groundbreaking about, and I didn't think it was particularly good either. Wakanda Forever. But yeah, there must be something they've seen in that. Um, but. Oh, how's Meghan doing with the, uh. I have more than three, so. She has more than three. Okay, so give. How over did the job. Yeah. Yeah. Because she'd seen she should should we do the talk about the film first and then revisit it just in case or do you want to do it now. If it's ready. I think we should do it. Now is already though, because if it's not, if you say that it's ready and then it's not ready, you ever going to try and take it? I'm going to be furious. It. Okay, well, I'm. Ready. Okay. All right. It's two. Fantastic. Um, number one true is Sandy Meets Godzilla. That's the title from 1969. And the logline is Bambi gets Crushed by Godzilla. That's a logline. Wow. Okay, Bambi, get the ending straight up in the logline. Number two is called Growing Wings. And that's from 1986. And the logline is, Can a caterpillar fall in love with a human and change the world? 34 year old Linda falls in love, who doesn't have faith that he'll ever become a monarch butterfly. And the two of them go on a journey to show the world that transformation is possible for anyone. Can I just say straight up, the first one feels like it was you because it was just a logline. But you don't. Crash, right? Maybe it's just trying to throw us off so smart. Okay. Number three is Jesus Christ, Vampire hunter from 2001. Jesus Christ protects lesbians from vampires with the help of a mexican. Luca Dor Alphonsus. That sounds very similar to but also cast. So presumably kind. Of like, Yeah, yeah. I like the fact that the years have been added the year because that in the beginning I was like, Well, now you said that. Yeah, that makes me think that that's a real film. But then invented what year they're in as well, which is quite interesting. He's saying that he, he's, he's quite, he's quite impressed that you've added years to this is another layer which is very good for you. Yeah. Okay so Bambi versus Godzilla. Of. Sounds like an easy competition. That one did in that one. Sorry, Bambi doesn't have any powers at all. Megan is just. Just a regular deer. Baby deer versus Godzilla. King Kong. And just. So it's, you know, I want to see that, so. And I saw you trying to read my face as I was reading that. I was trying to. Yeah, I the Bambi one seems like there's no conflict whatsoever, as in Bambi will be is in the title. What was the title. How long, how long are these films. Okay. Just feels like Bambi versus Godzilla would be a five minute. How long? These are feature films Make No. Think of the Bambi versus Godzilla. I have to say, I was just. Repeating the. I've got a good feeling that that is the fake one because as there are no certain powers attributed to baby Bambi, I just feel like, let me say my film Zero Conflict. That's it. But but then I see her face as we say that and she seems happy. Yeah, she's always happy when we fail. Choo choo choo choo. Now it's the toss up. Well, maybe this the situation. Bambi perhaps has has recruited forest friends. But the only way I can think of. Babies as incredibly agile and all that. A big tree in the tree falls on Godzilla. You know, it could be a plethora of things with True. Next one is the caterpillar. Caterpillar sort of human falls in love with Caterpillar to convince the caterpillar that it can become a monarch butterfly. Is that right? And and convinces that the human can become a monarch butterfly? No, the caterpillar. The caterpillar. Like the caterpillar, it seems, doesn't believe that he'll ever become a butterfly and a human that he falls in love with convinces them to have that. You can say ugly duckling style. Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm. So third one again. And the third. One, right? Correct. Jesus Christ. Vampire hunter. Yeah, I. Okay, that one's got to be real. Jesus Christ. Vampire hunter. Just because. Vampires. Only protects lesbians. Can men also only lesbians. Yeah. And we have the Mexican well, as well. Can I just out of the making this lesbian, is she? But I think she's trying to throw us off here because it's too much. She didn't do it. Yeah. I'm not sure if Jesus Christ would only protect lesbians. That's the also another thing. That is a very good point. Coburn just said Jesus Christ probably wouldn't just protect lesbians. He would protect everyone. Well, yeah, if there's someone he wouldn't predict based on the Bible. Well, he said it himself. Sounds like he's being a bit of a. That which is wrong. So you're saying you're better than. No, I'm saying that Jesus was wrong. Because you would protect. So you are better than I. So there's two Jesuses here, the fictional one, but the real one from the Bible. The real one from the Bible, both part. Well, I kind of like the film one because in the film one, it feels like maybe he's like, had some time to think Asian for her. Act of measure. Yeah. And he's like, oh I need to the, the, the, the, the male homosexuals are like, well, excuse me. Yeah. And you're feeling the same way. They're very unhappy. And Jesus is a very much a gay icon as far know. Yeah, that's right. Uh, yeah, because that one I mean in a way that makes total sense. Because Jesus would be the perfect vampire hunter he's got already. They don't even have. He didn't have to draw the little crosses on the bullet. So have a look. He's just Jesus. Yeah. They just look at. They just look at him and they melt, presumably. Sorry, but then only protecting lesbians. I'm not the. Real Mexican influence towards the end of the. Logline, right? Yeah. He gets help with a mexican man called El Santos. And he gets help from a mexican man called El Santos. There's no other explanation on that. No. Okay, so that one is real. She typed in weird lesbian films, and that's what came in because she's like, I'm going through. So that one is it's. Also too specific in 10 minutes to come up with specific locations. El Santos And I think that's real and just words, right? I think the second one is hers and but you know, yeah. And actually look the way it's hers, it's hers also because it's a love story. She's very good at rom com. She's obsessed with them. That's exactly right. I think that they're all. So now she's trying to throw this. Away. Can I. Can you ask him? I got a question. The second one, is it animated or is. The second one animated? Yes. Yeah, she's. She made that up. While the first went like this. Like, Oh, I don't know. And then she went, yes, there was suspicious. And the first one's presumably animated. And the first one is is Bambi versus government. That was Yeah, that's animated. That's also in Oh that. Was quite a mistake. That response. And she was. As if she was reading off of something. Um but she maybe she's very good at this game, which is deliberately tricking us like I did last week. You got to deliberately trick for this game. But why? Which one would you guys like to see most? First of all, before we decide which one is the fake one? Well, I want to see Grouchy versus Godzilla in that question. I just want to see that fight play out. I do. I do. I can. You were that a long player again of Bambi? It's quite simply. Bambi gets crushed. My gosh. I said it, but it gives it away if I see a film. Well, it was obvious. But maybe there's a third like twist, like three quarter mark Twist, because I know that the three quarter picks and so I don't know. Wait, not only did we not get a synopsis for the first one, it's the three word log line, but all five were Bambi gets crushed by God. That's Yeah. Yeah. I would still see it, I would still watch it. I would still watch it. Believe. That's right. So yeah, yeah. I think I'm going to go with you guys are the second one is the second one. I think the. Second one because there's lots of, there's lots of vampire vampires and lesbians already have the crossover films. Hmm. So, so that's that. Even though the lesbians seems tacked on, there's a reason there's lots of, like, B-movie horrors where lesbians are somehow involved. You're right. So vampires and lesbians do go hand-in-hand. What does it say? Can we get some bit more information on El Santos? Is there any more information on El Santos? No, not nothing. No. Okay. Interesting. So if it was. So Jesus, Jesus needed help. He wasn't enough on his own to defeat these vampires that needed to help El Santos. That's what Jesus wasn't enough. He needed help. From his disciples in Mexico. I don't. Know. I'm not a Christian. So it's like a sort of Sancho Panza character. Yeah. Yeah. You have to go along with it. Yeah. Yeah. Like Jesus did it on his own, but he could have never done it on, like. Without Sancho. It's like his height, man. Maybe he's just like, Go, God, Jesus, Good jobs. Save those lesbians. It sounds like, you know, that wrote it as well. Does, doesn't. It? Potentially. Okay. All right, let's go. Let's call it What do you are you guys both going for the second one, being still on the made up one? The second one is the made up one, the caterpillar one. Yeah. I'm on the second one. Yeah. Because it's quite deep and it's quite good and it's big. Crazy. Yeah. Okay. Well just for, just for, just for a bit of diversity statement, I'll go for the first one being cause if I still don't understand how that film would work, just, just very short film, I'm still handing off to Godzilla and just getting absolutely brilliant. But for 2 hours. It's. Still it's just a pulpy mess. Okay, So okay, so let's say I'll go for it. One is the fake one and you guys go for two with the fake one. All right, So let's have the answers. So Coburn is going to kind of switch it up a little bit. He's going to go for the first one and me and see how you solve the second one. I'm tempted to go first, but I'm still going to stick with second. Yeah, I'm sticking with second period. The second one was real, but I'm very shrewd. Wow. Shit. The second one, I think you're right. I wrote it and carry on and I just. You saying that I wrote it because it was nice. That's fine if it is the first one. And number two and three have synopses, but the first didn't because you wrote it. I'm going to be furious. No, I wrote the second one then. So they're saying Oh yeah. Oh, that is the fake one. Oh, Oh, yeah. Oh, it's. The fake one that. The caterpillar is the fake. Yeah. There we go. I'm very honored that you picked that one because logline, this. Sorry was confusing because you made it about yourself straight away rather than say if it was good or bad. Yes. Yeah, that's good. So you've got good writing skills, by the way. That's why you have. No, don't do that. So I'm sorry. What did you have? A very good Bambi. I'm just looking up. Oh, yeah. Now it's time. I just to see the poster for this thing I don't know about. Bambi meets Godzilla. Yeah. I'm sorry. The picture gives it all away. Oh, my God. Oh, wow. It really does get crushed. It's just a big foot. It's a long film. This is what I thought. Yeah. So this is not a feature. Oh, it's a short black and white movie. Oh, maybe this is just the trailer. Fair enough. That's the most. It's just a little deer grazing. And any minute now, Godzilla's just going to. Just going to crush it. So the poster is. Yeah, it's Bambi. Great. It's already beautifully on the pastures, and there's a huge dinosaur, eight inches above Bambi, just about two eyes. It's just very beautiful Music flutes, little Bambi grazing. Yeah, sort of doing the hoof thing a little bit any minute now. Presumably 1969. Yeah. Gets it and it gets past. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, it's like the Monty Python is the classic Monty Python ending. Well it's got a nine TV rating as well. Just crushed nine out of ten just ups. Just absolutely crushed. Okay. Marvelous. Okay. Amazing. Truly a masterpiece. One of the Google reviews of Green Bay meets Godzilla. But that is what changed my life. They said. Oh, yeah. Anna Nicole and Saga. Thank you. All right. Well, well done, guys. Yeah, well, you got that right. Thank you. Well, um, now we can safely go into our main. Yes feature, do the details. Although, to be honest, this is one where I don't know many of the people. Uh, so I'm not going to do a huge they were in this and that, but it's written Triangle of Sadness was written and directed by Reuben Ostlund. Yeah. Um, main cast, Harris Dickinson, Child B Dean and Dolly de Leon. Yeah. Um, star in the Philippines, might I add? Dolly DeLeon? Yeah. Yeah. Um, it has won Palme d'Or. Yeah. Yeah. At Cannes. Um, also European Film Awards, Best film, best director. Best screenwriter. Best actor for Zlatko Borek Yeah. Who I think is the large Russian guy. Is that. Right? Yeah, Correct. Um, she was in the Pusher films. That was that. They will recognize. That Mads Mikkelsen. Got famous for. So. And it's up for best picture at the Oscars. Um, so it's, it in a way, it's very similar to two other films that we've, um, reviewed in terms of Glass, Onion and the oh, the menu is not unofficial review, but we did actually do that. We messed up the sound, but we did actually review that. Um, so there's a theme going on at the moment of sort of rich people getting their just desserts. Mm hmm. Kind of thing. Mm hmm. Um, I was kind of confused by this film. I'm still not quite sure what what to make of it. Um, so. So let me start just by asking you guys what your thoughts are. I really liked it. I have to say, and I'll preface that by saying that I rarely watch a Swedish film and don't enjoy it. There's something beautiful is quite slow paced, the dryness of the humor. This just gets me barely laughing, even though it's so subtle. Yeah, I mean, this film has a lot of time at the beginning, arguably throughout most of it. Not a lot is really happening, but there are just beautiful character moments and hilarious moments that just kept me going through the whole thing. If anything, the last half an hour, I was like, All right, cool. I get it. Maybe we can start wrapping it up now. But I thought the premise is interesting. Sort that the old guy, what's his name, the Russian dude was fucking hilarious. He's like. But yeah, I rarely belly laugh in movies actually. But I was laughing out of a lot in this. And they seem to just combine beautiful filmmaking, cinematography with fucking hilarious jokes. And I wasn't particularly satisfied with the ending, but it was an enjoyable ride throughout. It was quite long. Was it? 2 hours, 20 minutes or something? Yeah. But anything by a Swedish filmmaker, I just go, I rub my hands together. I'm like, I'm in for a treat. And I always get treated well every single time. It reminded me a lot of Thomas Alfredson, the guy who did Todd's battalion. And yeah, Four Shades of Brown, the Swedish director. Yeah, I just. I just find that humor brilliant. That's interesting. I'm not sure I know too much about Swedish filmmaking. Maybe I should check out more. Or this is He did as well. Okay. Yeah, well. He also did the square. Yeah. So you guys have seen that? Yeah, I have it. Yeah, that's. That's good. Slightly weirder than this one, I thought. Yes, it's more forgettable. Still the same themes, which is like a dig at really rich and poor. So funny. That square is funny. It's. Yeah, it's kind of like a send up of any kind of taking yourself too seriously, isn't it? Seems like that says, Oh, he has apparently said that all his films are about people trying not to lose face right. And so this is the only one I can go by. But I see what he means in this one. It's all very much keeping up appearances of, you know, you when you when you are the statists, you have to live live as this status. You you, you everyone's kind of a bit of a caricature. Um, but having not seen any of his other films, I can't, I don't know if that that rings true in terms of the square and things like that. Well, force majeure. I can tell you the premise which is will Ferrell and Julia Dreyfus, I don't know who directed and wrote it. They try to remake it and kind of failed because the original is just ten times better. But the premise of that is a family are in the mountains of an avalanche is is like coming down the mountain and the dad just runs to save himself. Then the avalanche kind of stops and then he has to face his wife and family afterwards and kind of. Seeing the trailer. Yeah. Yeah. And he has to convince them that he was he was trying to protect them. He wasn't just running for his life. That's the whole film. And what's really interesting and the square is like kind of it's about this art gallery that where the cleaner is kind of accidentally vacuumed the pile of dirt or whatever it is, and then they're trying to recreate it. So it's like trying to take a dig at what is the what's a value and how people value things. There was that hilarious exchange during the storm between the captain and the Russian guy of Marx quotes. Lenin. Quotes. And it was it it couldn't have been more in-your-face. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Not only was the plot shouting about it and then obviously the toilet manager at the end sends the, the leader, you know, kind of Lord of the Flies style when they're all on the island. The reverse reverse of gender roles. And ÖSTLUND clearly likes the whole like status changing because I mean, force majeure sounds like you know you come crawling back, right? It's always about men. All a lot about men that but I wouldn't call it weak men, but, but men that are like doubting themselves and against the stereotype. Hmm. So do you think this film, do you think ÖSTLUND is really trying to tell us something and is one side or the other, or do you think he's being kind of evenhanded? I think he's evenhanded, which is the best part of being a filmmaker, is that you don't like a filmmaker's like it's like a politician that's even more of a coward in the sense that they never make a call. They just present all what is kind of a thing in a really nice way. And I think he pushed for both sides. That was interesting. When then Woody Harrelson and that Russian dude had that conversation, that's when I start to go, Oh, that's what you're trying to kind of do. Because then you see all these rich people just sliding back into their own vomit. No matter how rich you are, you can't pay off a storm and yeah, pay off not vomiting. There are things there are certain things that will always be like equalizer. But I didn't quite get exactly. Yeah, I didn't quite get the even I didn't quite get what he was trying to say. The advantages to capitalism, if it's just about look at these rich assholes and then look, they're all like, Oh, that one of them's like an arms dealer. It seemed like quite easy targets for me, although I suppose there's the one guy who's incredibly rich and the like Ginger balding guy who's like, obviously not an asshole. So. But then I guess I did sort of think, you know, this thing of, like, everyone who's super rich is an asshole, is this, is this true? Are there not people who are like super rich who also might be quite useful on a desert island or made their money by actually being quite useful in making things that everyone used and they may not have grown up rich? And I don't know, it seems all a bit easy targeting. That was kind of representation of the young guy in a way, because at the beginning he sort of was on the up it, you know, to some point and there was there was an element of modesty to it. And then I think the choice of having the super rich as being, you know, state the classic the Russian guy who, you know, made the most of, you know, collapse of the Soviet Union, just monopoly wise, like easy target rich people. But then the guy was kind of up and coming in a way. So he was and he still displayed those vulnerabilities when they're on the sun lounger. And his girlfriend is like, you know. Because she was had a higher status, that she's. A higher status and he's you still felt quite you know. Yeah. If I did like his performance that very insecure like guy who's he's constantly Yeah I thought that was a nice character. He was probably the one I warm to the most easily moments. Well, I mean essentially, yes, the island And he, you know, he, he has to. Yeah. Fresh off his girlfriend. Fucking great actor. Such a good actor. He was also a really, really good he played that really well. And I love that idea of I guess we should try not to give away too many spoilers, but yeah, the, the Abigail character ends up, you know, taking over, which I really liked. And it wasn't, it didn't seem unlikely. It seemed like, Oh, fair enough. Yeah. She's the only one who's useful. Yeah, I guess that is what would happen. Totally. And also the idea that those super rich characters were sort of, you know, they, they met their ends via the way that they got their way. You know, the arms dealer was killed by the grenade. I mean, what a moment that is when the plan is. This one paused. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. There's this explosion. And then. And then the guy who is just, you know, king of agriculture had fucking no clue what to do. Yeah, the king of. Yeah. Surrounded by nature. King of shit. Yeah. Well, none of that. None of them really did, which was really interesting because then her point to the capsule lists were, well, you're not doing anything. Why should I share? So it wasn't just like, Oh, it should be socially, the world should be socialist. He just goes too capitalist. Sure, we can have capitalism, but what if something happens and you're in the shit and this is a situation where that might happen? Do you would you still feel the same way? And the capitalists were like, Well, that's unfair. We should. Maybe we have a skill set, but they don't. And I do see what you mean. Of course, I'm sure there's some overreach, people who know how to fish. But the truth is, even if you were born that way, after a while, the whole the best way to earn money is to hire people to do something for you and then have a good margin. So by default, if you want to be rich, you have to stop doing things. You have to stop it. You have to, yeah, get other people to do it and create good systems. And even if you knew how to do it when you were a kid, you're going to forget. But if you're already true, so and that's what I loved about it. He didn't take a stand on it. He always makes fun of rich people because I think it's fair, because it is silly. I think you're right. I think it was more or less impartial. But I wonder whether it did sway more anti-capitalist anti rich, because just because I'm a it's a sense I got general. I mean, there are moments like the Russian guy, you know, I think he was caressing his dad's wife. And then he took. It and then he was he crying and then he sees a ring just across and then puts it and then he starts crying again. And also, I think the way that the set design and all that the whole yacht chapters were portrayed, you got a sense of disgusting. Yes, I did. Yes. Oh, for sure. How they were proposing themselves, what they were doing, the power they had. Yeah. The bit when the really rich guy by the way, which he is really rich it engineer, whatever a software engineer that is lonely and bald and Yeah. So he is a really big Swedish comedian, by the way. And this is the guy I met who I thought it was quite nice that they didn't portray him as an asshole. He was very rich, but he was also like, Oh, does I know? What do you guys want to drink? Or like, Let's have a dance? He was a. Bit. That's Swedish. That's very Swedish. Because even if you have men like this in America, they have to be trained not to be like that, because most men are not like that in Sweden. It is. It's shameful to be a chauvinist. It's not funny when you crack a joke about. So it is a different kind of set up of of how you can become, which then produces a lot of men that are very insecure of course, and and struggle and then end up alone. I think a lot of similarities with Japan. Right. But what was really interesting is that he did in the middle, he was like, I want to buy you guys Rolexes. Yeah, that's that was his sign of like, um, but still not a dickhead. No, that was interesting because you think, Oh, okay, this was his game and now he's going to try and get them Rolexes and get them into bed. But actually he just genuinely was like, Oh, you've done me a favor that you've been kind to me, so I'm going to buy something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which was quite nice. But he didn't throw his weight around, actually. That's right. So, yeah, very, very rich. Yeah, he was quite kind of, you know, meek in a. Way. And he killed the donkey. Right, right, right, right. He killed the donkey out of all of them. He was the one that did it. So I won it. Was it because he had some sort of compassion? Ironically, I don't know, or some sort of courage because all the other ones were hiding behind. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he, he well, it seemed to me like he did it because he really just wanted to connect and impress people. So he's like, I can do it. Okay. Yeah. So and then and when he thought he did it, I loved when he's, like, celebrating. Yeah. So it's like, yeah. I did it. And then he has to go do it again. I mean, you're right. It is funny. I mean, it's a dark comedy. I suppose in the end, if you had to say what genre, it's a, it's a dark comedy, but it's also obviously social commentary. But there were lots of funny bits I really liked, even though I thought it was maybe went on a bit too long and it was over doing the scene in the den or everything slanted right? And everyone's walking sideways. Yeah and, you know, and trying to get through this, which I guess must happen. Like, Yeah, I know. So I was thinking, God, I hadn't thought about the insisted have those storms totally. But the insistence of the waiting staff, particularly the blond woman who is, who works in such sort of servile ways to the wreckage, it's all about them. Let's forget the storm. And like this slanting, they're literally nearly upside down. And it's more one side and they're trying to keep this face up. And he does that in. He does that in the square as well, where there's a dinner service and they have this performer that comes in and he's, oh, he's acting like a monkey, but like really? Well, And then he's all these rich people and you can tell, Oh, they're eating dinner, and then they're seeing this guy doing this life, perform a contemporary like performance, and he's doing the monkey so well. The monkey start jumping on tables and breaking shit and like pulling people's hair, and then you go weird. Where's the line now? Mm. Right. Where's the line of contemporary art? And I paid you. And what? What am I paying you for and what can I control and what can I not control? And that's the, the favorite thing to me is that no matter how rich you are, you still have to take a shit. You still get seasick. And if you land on an island and you can't fish or do anything, you will be fucked. The one I don't understand that. I'm going to do a deep dive analysis online on Reddit is the German lady, and I believe she's. She paralyzed? Yeah. Oh, she had a. Stroke or something? She had a stroke, and she's. Sitting there and she can only speak German, which is true. Like if she was mute in the beginning. But yeah. Right. And then and then only speaks German. Apart from one phrase. Right. Which I said which is up in the clouds or something in the vocal fry. Oh. Because I didn't have the subtitles she. Keeps saying in the and I think that's her, she keeps saying it's the only thing she can say. Oh that's a good she says okay and it means in the clouds, you know, which is sort of, you know, indicative of what's going on. Everyone's in the fucking clouds and not on the ground. That in reality so much. So that's the only thing she says, okay, I'm you're right, that was that. But yeah. That does seem like a character you like you would you could completely get rid of that character and the film would be exactly the same. But what is she there for? What? What do you see? What does she. Mean? Actually, let me look it up. Can you look it up as well? Yeah, I think it's something to do with that phrase because she says it every 20 minutes in the film. It comes up because I had the subtitles on because I usually do anyway. But she kept saying it. Was the idea that the more you spend in that world, the more especially if you're just like the wife, You've just become like a side, right? Unimportant, right? The kind of obsessive of furniture type thing. Yeah, but yeah, I couldn't quite work out what he was trying with that. There was also really I loved the moment in where they followed the yellow briefcase coming in from a boat privately, and they think it's like, you know, maybe some high class trucks or whatever, or like, you know, something very expensive. And then they open it and it's like four jars of Nutella that the revolution just loves on its taste. Yeah. And I had this very special trip dedicated to it because that's the other thing you I'm getting anything anything I want to any point. Yeah. And what better choice than four jars of Nutella. Well, yeah, he was, he was very good. And I like I'm, I thought I'd recognized him, so. Yeah, I'm sure I've seen him in other things, but, but then again I guess, I guess to be honest I'm changing my view slightly in terms of it did seem like another kind of obvious up of rich people, which is fair enough. I get a little bit tired of it. I might be a bit of a glass onion like the the Ed Norton character, which just seems very like, Oh, any billionaire is just an idiot. It's like, okay, well, that's not that can't be true. You know, they're not all just these caricature, evil people. But then I guess this film didn't quite do that because you're not quite sure whether you're supposed to hate him or not. There are moments where you're laughing with him as well when he's the whistle thing I thought was really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So? So I guess you're not supposed to hate him, but you maybe the the filmmaker wants you to. I couldn't quite work it out. But it's also like, even though it's a crazy situation, it's a situation that could happen. The glass onion is like because of the it's like, it's like get out or like there's so many things. You would go, Oh, people wouldn't do that. But I could totally believe that some I mean, I would argue anyone rich or not, you fuck and try and kill a donkey or or, or, or fish in the ocean on an island with your bare hands. Like that's very difficult. And the fact that only one person that could do that and which is maybe a little bit scary, typical one racist that all Filipinos can just jump into the ocean and do it. Catch an octopus. Yeah, but in Italy, you know, I can't do it. But My my uncle, he used to fucking jump in the sea and get octopuses. Put him in his. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we would eat them and he got rich, but he could still do it as he got older. Well, so it makes watching up movies, so it makes me want to do a little bit training. I feel like I've watched this is the funny. This is a funny like scenario I go through quite often because I've watched a lot of things. And with that scenario and I like to think that I've watched enough now that I would know how to fish with a spear, build a fire, find some water, find some food. Whether that's true or not, if I never find out, Yeah, but, but yeah, it's a kind of weird fantasy. How do you reckon you guys would deal in that kind of situation? Well, it depends on who's around, right? Because that's another thing as well. Like, if they they kind of say you're not like born an alpha male or woman, because that's clear now. Right. Um, but it's in relation to the circle you're in. So depending on who you're with that determines who is the alpha male or female. Yes. So I guess also slightly on your physical characteristics as well, because even if you are like five foot two and very skinny, does it matter how much you want to be the alpha male? It's not going to work out. True. But then would you just sit and die or would you have? Let's say you're alone and you're the shit iest piece of shit in the world, You would at least give it a go. But if someone is next to you and they can do it better, that automatically than then it becomes a hierarchy. Is it human that if you're by yourself you would just and your inability to do things based on skill sets would that result to apathy until death? As in you just like fucking sit there until you die? Would you at least give it a go even if you're eating rocks and then you die from it? Um, or bark or whatever. So I think. You think you would you think you would do Well, I. Would probably be the guy that that ate like a poisonous plant. Yeah, I would try to find something. I'm good at fishing, but I need the rot, you know? Right. Okay. Yeah, but you say. Yeah, I think that's a great point, isn't it? I mean, totally depends, because usually there's there's an alpha individual who rises up, right? Whether that's dependent on skill set or just the first person who goes, you know, I'm taking control of the situation in another way. Um, I don't know. I'd probably, I'd probably die very swiftly by, you know, trying to catch a fish and cutting myself and then bleeding to death. It would be something like that. Yeah, too. Yeah, yeah. Because I, I think my, my desire to catch a fish would be extraordinarily strong. Yeah. Yeah. And I would do my very, very best to exactly. But I would probably dog it and in the. Process I think that's. This is the funny thing like I've watched a lot, I'm not really into reality TV, but I've watched a lot of Survivor and I fucking love Survivor. If you guys haven't watched it, you really should. Yeah, it's amazing because it does really reduce everyone to their usefulness. Yeah, well in that, in also the ability to socialize, that's the real dichotomy in that show because you can win just by getting people on your side, even if you're not that useful. Right. But you're more likely to stay in if you're useful because people want you to be able to catch things for them too. Because for them to make the fire is to do the challenge as well. But not it's not always the person you think who wins in the end. But if you yeah, you've got to be so careful. If you cut yourself once, you've basically got to leave the show, if you if you cut yourself badly. Right. Sprain an ankle, you know it's such a like it really does reduce everyone to their bare bones. Yeah. I fucking love that show. It's sort of it's all puts are modern day skill sets down the shitter doesn't it. Yeah. Because it reduces us to our very core human skills of, you know, using our hands and our brain. Yeah. And you know, corporate skill sets being, you know, I can read a contract and know what to do with it or I can sell a product or whatever. It might be useless. Yeah. Because it's abundance as well, no matter what he's saying, whether he sways towards socialism or capitalism or either. He's certainly saying also that while no matter how much you have, you will die if you cannot learn how, because they've been there for quite a while after that. So that means that if you have the skillset of catching fish and octopus, you will survive. Well, the meaninglessness, the meaninglessness of some of cash, Right. You know. Right. And you know, what does it really mean in the grand scheme of things as human beings on this earth. Well, on sized fuck all. Yeah. If you can't catch a fish, you're dead meat. Yeah. But you've got to have something to offer because that's why the there's interesting with the kind of pretty boy English guy that he ends up right, you can offer in the end is the woman who can fish fancies. Yeah. It ends up being this little like bad boy thing which is I mean she is he's just great. That character is great. Yeah. I'm not sure I've seen a character like that in, uh, in many other. Probably the most human with all its flaws, because one could argue that if. Okay so and he made it a woman as well which, which is really interesting because you might argue would a woman automatically go to exploit someone for sexual reasons. Right. Because that's maybe a male thought, but who knows? But that was the whole point, right? That he reverses the stereotypes. But yeah. Yeah, but she doesn't. It's a weird one. I guess if the roles were reversed, you probably judge a guy more harshly for doing that. But you I didn't really find myself judging her for doing that. I felt like. I felt like, Oh, interesting. Yeah, she's. She's just kind of going, Well, I'm providing all the stuff for you. Got to get something back. Why not? You know, to on the whistle come. So let me know that. He's like, Should I break up with ya? Yeah, It's like, I'm not going if you want to, but I'm not going to make you do it. But then in the end, you wonder where maybe he's happier in that relationship. He's kind of like, Should we go public with this? Because. Well, yeah, because he was. He's so insecure with. Also not true. True, true. He was totally insecure and didn't know what he was doing. And then with how he suddenly, like, quite like, be look tough. All I got to do is have some sex and then get out of the boat in the morning. Well, that's the interesting thing. So when he runs up to the mountain, he's clearly running to save someone. The question is, who is he trying to save and who does he think is going to kill who? Because what I think is he thinks that somebody is going to die. That's because I didn't even get it until I'm up on the mountain. As soon as they're up on the mountain, I go, Oh, shit, she's trying to kill the the the older Filipino lady because also she's tired. Yeah. So I'm like, Oh shit. And then obviously he flips because she grabs the rock. Yeah, I got to say, I didn't. I was wondering that last scene. Well, because I was like, So you think it's him realizing suddenly, Oh, shit, I shouldn't have left them alone. I got to run and save one of them. He's he's trying to save one of them, which is the one that he wants. But, you know, whatever. That's it. One could argue. I think I'm with you, though. I think he would have picked the Filipino. Yeah, because she can feed him and she gives him a clear like because he's like, yes. So should we go like if we went public with you and that's all he wants, he wants to get married. And it's Yeah. The into there's not real you didn't really see much intimacy with him in his young the only thing that you see it's a potential intimate scene it's like a role play thing where. But yeah. One else. So he's never really being himself and then you get that quite sweet, intimate scene inside the Love Boat. That's it. Where you're like, Oh, this is. He seems more relaxed, more himself. So there were no complaints with her, whereas there were scene after of him being uncomfortable with us, beginning with the bill. The the sun lounger is clearly just uncomfortable and left, right and center. There's little transparency with, with the. Yeah, yeah. That's why I, with all due respect, with glass on you and why I like these directors with a lot of Swedish directors. Scandinavian directors do, but also Korean directors and Japanese directors like Parasite or Lady Vengeance or Oldboy. It's like when I watch those films I go, It's going to be weird, but there's always a reason for something. There's always and it's maybe sometimes it's not that big of a reason, but there's always a reason with the films like Glass Onion For me personally, it's just like, uh, it's just an exercise in suspense, which is what's going to happen rather than what does this mean and how does that relate to me? Man? Throughout this whole film, I felt like, Oh, I feel like, oh, I can relate to that. Um, well, you get a better sense of what the film is trying to do in the message. I mean, class on the end. So plot heavy a lot of things to remember, a lot of things going on between the characters, the relation, whereas plot wise, this was a masterclass in simplicity. Yeah, yeah. You got far more of a sense of what to take from it, but it's way more out of this film than you did class on it, even though they're both definitely similarities. Man, You're just bogged down by plot and class. I mean, I agree. And Oldboy, Lady Vengeance, all those. I remember sitting through the whole, all the credits because I was just like, I'm so taken aback so much. Um, that it makes me think whether I'm 100% happy about it or not. But yeah, there's something to it. But this one was even simpler, which is why I enjoyed it even more personally. Yeah, Yeah. Also, he's one of the few directors that have gotten the Palme d'Or twice. Well, what was the first one for Force Majeure. I.e., the force of the square? Maybe. I think it was the square. Yeah, right. The square was his first one. Is that true? He's only. There's only a few is one and twice. That is interesting. So what, what school would you, would you guys give us your tough one. I would give this I think I would give this an eight. Yeah. I'll give this an eight. Yeah. I really enjoyed it. And I was laughing and I just, I just really, I yeah, I just really liked it. Um, can't bloody wait to see more of this guy's movies. And now I need to bloody watch Force majeure. Yeah, force majeure is fantastic. That sounds great, but I'll give it a solid. I think. Mm hmm. Okay. Yeah, I think I probably maybe biased because I'm Swedish as well, so it's very. It's so Swedish. Like, it's. It's what we would watch. And when we watch it in Sweden, all these films, we mainly watch American and British stuff with the rest of the world really watches American and British stuff. So by default, I think most of the world culturally, um, on a pop culture level, feels inferior to British and American films and music. So whenever there's something that makes a splash in the world that people have to kind of read some subtitles, not too much in this one, to be fair, but I'm extra proud. Edging the 8.58.5. 08.5. Okay. The only thing I'd say is that Koreans do what he does even better because in a lot of these Korean films, um, like Parasite, like Oldboy, I feel like you can they also make you cry? They make you laugh? Yeah. Like how they make you cry. And the suspense is like mad. Um, which this is the same, but they just take one more element. Um, but. But, yeah, it's 8.5. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's interesting, because I would say that Oldboy is a good example of like for me that's 8.5 to 9 film. Yeah. And this compared when I compare the two it can't. Hold. Its way against that for me. Fair but it's good because I think we've all given scores pretty similar scores on every film so far This one I'm going to go lower than you guys going to give it a 6.5. I'm not sure I would watch it again. Fair enough. That's fair. Which I think usually tells me how much I really like it. Yeah, whether I would watch it again. True. But I did think it was very interesting, you know, and I did like a lot of the performances, particularly the the young English guy and the old Russian guy and actually the Filipino lady. So, yeah, you know, it's funny, maybe I was going to give it a lower score, but then talking to you guys, it kind of made me appreciate it more things about it, but I'll stick with the 6.5. So overall, that means this film gets. 2323. Okay. Also not bad. Oh, but next week. Yeah, I know. We did say we were going to do cocaine better this week, but next week we will be doing cocaine back. We will. I'm looking forward to that one because it's just different. It's not so serious. Well, presumably, yeah. The films we've been doing recently. Yeah, it's not. It's not pretending, I don't think, to be taken seriously. Doubts up for any major awards. But it's it sounds like it's going to be a lot of fun. Yeah. And I'm sure there'll be a lot to say. Um, yeah. Looking for that one. Yeah. So. So yeah. Thank you again once again for joining me. A fifth episode, part of a milestone. Uh, amazing. And yeah, I'll see guys next week for Cocaine Bear. All right. Can't wait. So thanks again, guys. Thank you. Both. Say it's. About. So that's our podcast for this week. Please join us next Thursday for Cocaine Bear. Don't forget to follow and download this podcast and review if you can, Spotify or Apple or any major podcast platform. Also, don't forget to email us if you have any questions. If you want us to review anything, email us at save the chat pod at gmail.com. See you next week on.