Episode 7 - The Whale

This week we discuss the film that won Brendan Fraser the Best Actor award at The Oscars - The Whale. We also talk about sausage making on Instagram and other equally important subjects. We hope you enjoy!

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Hello and welcome to...what the fuck Is this called? Oh yeah. Please give the intro. It's David. Hello and welcome to the Save the Chat podcast with me, Michael Coburn. I'm joined by my co-hosts, one of them Across the pond, Michael Boccalini. How is L.A.? It's rainy, but it's beautiful. We need it. We need it. Brad and our other host, Steve Hodgetts, Where are you this week, Steve? I'm back in Wales. Back in Wales? Yeah. And it's such a beautiful day today. Yeah, which. Is very cool. But I wish the listeners could see you right now. Steve has had to borrow kids headphones for this podcast, so he's got little fluffy bunny ears. I do. I've got a real two very little mini bunny ears on my headphones because my AirPods weren't charged. And so I borrowed Kennedy, my daughter's headphones, which are actually very colorful and very lovely. I mean, I love the sound. Quality, as poor. As it tinny for. That is. But it is quite I think they put the budget into the ears. So. Well, all the R&D budget was for the ears. And not for the sound quality. Yeah. Yeah. So this week we're reviewing the whale as promised for the listener. If you do want to skip just to the main review, then skip to minute. Well, minute 20, basically minute 1950. And but before we do that, let's have a little bit of a catch up. Well, I wanted to say as well, before we get into it, um, thank you to anybody who's listening. Um, we're a small podcast, but we're growing week by week and it's always nice to see new followers. And I'm sure that some of you out there who are completely randomly came across this and you've decided to follow. So thank you to all of you and thank you to all of our friends and family. And for those of you strangers that didn't just stumble across this and then I've been on the fence. I don't know if I should keep listening. My advice to you is, please, please keep doing it. I thought you were going to say my. Advice to you is stop. Please stop. Yeah, right. Well, as a as a as a non-biased, I probably would. There's far better out there. In fact. Right. But. Um, just for me and us trying this out, um, that would be really neat. You know, if, you know. Maybe even telling your friends. Yeah. Yeah, that would be amazing. Yeah. And tell you. And also email in our email address is save the chat pod at gmail.com. It would be really nice to hear from me. You have an opportunity to be featured, so if you like, tell us what you think of the films that we're reviewing. Tell us if you think we're wrong. I've had a few people tell me they thought we were very harsh on cocaine, but they enjoyed it. Um, see, that makes me angry. And I'm very happy to have them on. On the on the talk. Okay, If. We could just have a discussion with those. Those individuals who will enjoy cocaine, but not not to say you're wrong, but just actually just to have it. Well, yes. No. Maybe a bit better. Okay. Yeah, but just email in to the. Have we had any emails, Michael? I sent an email. I sent an email. To people. About to talk about the. Yeah. Yeah. No, we've. Had no emails from, from actual listeners yet, but they're gonna start flooding in any minute. I think people are worried that, um, for. Example, many too many they're. Going to be taken to task about their views on cocaine by for example. Now from what you've just said they're going to be, but trust me, we're not going to we're not going to berate you, um, on the podcast. We're just going to. Promise that Michael. Would just simply like killing. Yeah. I've alienated the, the the one person that was the innocent. Yeah. But it is interesting because, um, so far we've generally agreed on, on all the films. Um, yeah, with, with slight differences, but I feel like cocaine bear. I dunno if we missed something. A lot of people seem to be loving it. Um, another polarizing one. Maybe. A lot of people also hate it, but maybe as well. The way we assess it is kind of like any film. It is what it is. And uh, the people who love that kind of film will love it because it was a well done of It's Jojo Rabbit. If you don't like that kind of film, maybe. I don't know. Yeah. And I mean, we have a common friend that we've had this conversation with many times, and I know what he would say and I won't name any names, but I will say, is Greg. Uh. But he used to say, well, when we pissed, when I pissed on these films, especially, yeah, he's like, Dude, I know it's stupid. I just want to have fun. Can I just have some fun? Yeah. And I would feel so silly when he said that because I was like, Yes, you a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you. And I remember having a conversation with him about Godzilla. Um. Oh, my God. And I was furious that Godzilla suddenly had this laser beam coming up. Oh, my God. And, and it did it. And there was nothing explained about where the laser we can go, I guess, to know about it. Yeah. Imagine you're still 12 and, like, it's a giant monster with a fucking laser beam. What are you complaining about? And yeah, it's. Shoot. But they're not 12 though, that. No, they're not. But, but, but the target audience starts earlier than that. But it's like. You know. No, it's. So true and you've got to it should, it should be a beautiful lesson to us actually is you know so as as writers as well you know in the writing room, you know, less than in one right as it stands because let's just have a laser beam on its head And the other. Right, guys? Why we just fuck you. For asking that. Yes, it does. Yeah. Yeah. Frickin frickin laser. Beams. And and actually, no, that's a fair point. You just because it is a piece of entertainment, to be fair, I just. I my, I'm too analytical about that stuff. I mean, I enjoy it and I go, but I just switch off. I don't have the ability to write 12 year old self again. I don't know. It's frustrating actually, because I almost rather that in some ways. Well, I sometimes get into my 12 year old self. I'm really I know you guys aren't too keen on the but I'm I'm very much a fan of the like well earlier Marvel films and the Star Wars films and things like that. So I when it's really good, I can still get into my 12 year old brain. But there are some things where I'm like, Oh, at least to set that up a little bit, you could have done a bit more work on explaining the laser. Beam. That comes out of. His mouth. Um. Um, what if. Okay, but what if they just had a scientist at the beginning in a big monologue when they're discussing? Yeah, it's about the plot. These they might have also laser beam. Yeah, that's actually what would make. Even a just the 12 year old, even a 12. Year old boy passing by just randomly saying, hey, he might have a laser beam cone of that even. That's fine. Right? That's fine. Or what I quite like when the films do sometimes is they have a character who's thinking what you're thinking, like. So they'll do the ridiculous thing with a laser beam coming out of that, but they'll have a one character being like, What the fuck did he get laser beam from, you know, just to acknowledge the ridiculousness? And then that character gets killed by the laser beam and. Oh. My God. I think as he gets buzzed. Yeah, that idea was worth, like 75 guys. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And that's also a fuck you to the audience members like us who are like, Well, I liked cocaine better, but the character development is poor. You know? And people listening, going. Like, about character. Developed. So much. Such nonsense. Yeah, Yeah. Well, I didn't deliberately. Put on my actual takes, but. But you know, it's good because we it's a good way to analyze films and they do need Yeah. You know, there are horror horror comedies that have some pretty great character development. But it is also true that a lot of people watch those films and they couldn't give a fuck. They just want to see a bear sniffing cocaine and attacking people and they don't even notice whether whether, you know, they're particularly attached to any of these characters or not. They're just like, this is a great, great fun. He's actually kind of sadistic people, isn't it? They're like, no offense, but like because it's a thing. It's a thing to watch, uh, people get murdered. I guess more people fight, more people about to have sex. And this one is sure it's a comedy. Absolutely. And I did laugh a couple of times. A few times? A few times. But it's just an exercise in to seeing, um, limbs cut off, which is I wish I had I wish I had that skill because it's a it's a done deal. It's a done bloody deal. Yeah, it's difficult. You have your immediate attention to a film and that's the beauty of films. And we just happened to be quite similar in terms of what we like, although we did differ bit on Triangle of Sadness. Yeah. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Yeah. So, So it's not all the same and that's good. When we when we differ. But um, but okay, before we get into the main review, um, have you guys been watching anything recently that you would like to recommend or that you found interesting TV wise, film wise? It's like the sound of the sound of silence. And we fall. Out completely. Eventually, though, I've been watching a bit of Rick Stein of Lights, so if anyone likes Rick Stein. Who would, Uh, he's a. Yeah, yeah, he's. He's this very beautiful old British chef who has this very, very cozy program called Rick. We are the grumpy old men again, But he just goes around England sort of visiting food markets. Is he white, by any chance? Is he was saying. Is he white? He is, yeah. Yeah. Okay. He just happens to be. Yeah. Yeah. I was just like. I was going to say Asian. But yeah. Rick, you know what? I have seen him. It's great on your recommendation and it is bloody delightful. So what kind of, what kind of vibe is Rick Stein then? He's not, he's not the shouty type, I take. You know. He's very relaxed Rachels And he sort of just, he just goes around Britain, traveling around is Landrover visiting cheese mongers and sausage roll makers is I mean, it's literally what he does. And then he, like, reads a poem occasionally and then he's like, Oh, how lovely this place. And I'm just it's so weird. I like it, but I love it. Um, well. I should be in my eighties watching that, but it's good for the soul. Some a nice familiar, right? I do that all the time. I have mine because it's British and and I have mine, which is, um, kind of loose show and all of his name. Anthony culture. Yeah. Anthony Calogero and the other Italian. Oh, I know. Who you mean. Look, Italy, is it. No, it's the guy that's with Jamie Oliver. Oh. Oh, Gino. Gino D'acampo. Is also a big favorite. But yeah, Gennaro. Gennaro, That's it. Gennaro Yeah. He's got a amazing voice. And they travel around Italy with a broken English. I mean, that's great. Accent. Talking to each other, eating from trees and and flirting with grandmas and making passed on, eating it and exactly the same thing. Yeah, that's it. And it's just showing Italy and the people, essentially the local people. I fucking love it. And searching for Italy, there's one with the Stanley Tucci, they're doing another one now. They're going to do one with every celebrity on each continent or country or whatever. Yeah, there's something very I don't know what it is, I guess comforting or something. A mixture of like seeing seeing the culture of the place, your you're watching through the food and the people talking about the food is pretty special. It's quite, it's quite sort of really comforting to watch even to the point where I don't know if you guys watch them, but the day. PORTNOY Pizza reviews like, oh, I watched I watched those partly just to get myself hungry. But also I love the way he talks about this. This is a real jersey sport. It's been around for an in America. If it's been around for more than like 30 years, they like. Such. A story. And then they have the guy coming out and saying, talking about his granddad and and it's just pizza. But there's something like really sort of wholesome about just learning about that area through that, through the food. That's right. And I think also there's something in the idea that all those shows, cookery shows as well, that they have no knock knock competitions, just just the traveling ones. And, you know, there's so lacking in any form of conflict. And I think anything you watch, right, it's taking if you're watching it, which is very it's very entertaining watching those things because you're tense. Right. But when I watch a Rick Stein or Stanley Tucci or something, I just go, well, I can relax completely, you know, because no one's having their head chopped off. You know, they don't have to stop the bomb in 10 minutes, which is so great. And I love that. Yeah, but I think so. I just I watch an episode, like, right before bed because it was just really like, call me and soothe me because they'll just laugh with each other. Hot back in the van after the next cheesemonger. Yeah. So love them all. Yeah. Try a little bit more cheese. Yeah. Have a small. Yeah. And then. And then there's classical music going in the show. I just was like, You know what? You know what? If you know what I think it might be as well. We're just checking in on a random person in a small town in a country that we're familiar with. Of course, it's great to watch the ones all over the world, but the ones from where you're from, it's just like this extra level all feels very nice and you just like checking in. Are you fine? Are you? Because life is. Are you okay? They're fine and they're making cheeses. Could I make cheeses? I guess I could when I get bored. Yeah, but it's so nice. Is he hot? Yes, he is. And I'm a little bit. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess so. And that's definitely part of it. Does he does Thailand, He does all these amazing places. And I watch a lot of those shows, but some reason I said more. I like the cheesemonger in Lancashire because I think it's obviously I'm familiar and comfortable with that territory anyway, but I feel like I know him somehow. Yeah, you know what, Steve? To extend on that, if you go, they've started doing it in Italy. They're very smart, they're not very good at it, but they're trying. So they take these guys and then they make them start their own Instagram. So I have this. My top two go to like Instagram people is a sausage maker, one of them. And wow. He's just a butcher in a small town in Italy and he keeps making these sandwiches. What do you want in it? Liver. But it's just like specific to our region. And he's making them and he's giving them to them. And then he goes at the end of the week with thumbs up. He doesn't know what he's doing, but he's getting fucking thousands, tens of thousands of views. Good for him. And Instagram is not just for leggings and avocados. In Los Angeles, it's Gennaro in a small Italian town making sausages as well. And so good for them. If you had a girlfriend. To convince them to convince them to get Instagrams. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny that you were the were the people trying to make them get Instagram. I think it's just like locals that go, Oh, it's amazing. Honestly, it would be great because it's something about the they can feel the energy of this person that is like, Oh, he really loves what he does or she. And it's something about that man. It's like the actors that are really good to talk about the whale in a second. Just someone that really immerses themselves in whatever they do. Because. Sophie Few people do because it's embarrassing, right? And it's vulnerable. So few people do. So when you see someone do it, even though you go, I silly guy, or he's a Oh, he's just in a small town making cheese. But you go fork man, he seems so happy. Why are you so happy? Because he's he's mastered his craft. That's that thing. And Rick's not upset in France. And instead of I don't know, you know this Michael, but in France party instead of going, what do you do for work or what's your job? The question literally translates, it is, what are you master of? Right? And it's like, you know, everyone has the absolute craft, the little wine merchant or the or the winemaker or the cheese maker, what it's like the slave master. And they just love that little craft and they're so good at it. Yeah. And that's you're right, Michael, when you said earlier, part of the part of the fun is thinking, are you looking at that going, Well, I live in a city. You know, there's some advantages, but sometimes that gets a bit, you know, could I could I just make cheese in an. Old. Cottage in the countryside? Like, would I be as happy as this? There's this guy and like, you know, like, a lot of the time, you kind of. I think maybe I would. Yeah, I got it. I'm going to do it. But I think it would be probably better for me. Yeah. Oh, hundred percent. But anyway, there we are. We're. We're at the cutting edge on the film and TV, talking about sausage makers and Rick Stone. Also succession. Also succession, but mainly sausages. Oh, yes. Yeah, Yeah. I prefer the sausage maker to watching. I'm not a fan of succession with. It, but you know. I've seen it, but I've been. Told to give. From what I've heard of it. I know I've been told many times I should give it another try and that people who know me think I would love it. But I've got the first few episodes and I was like, I don't like any of these people. And I couldn't continue. But I guess that's kind of the point. You're not supposed to like them, so you will eventually. But yes, but yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to give it another go because I think I think I misread it. Um, anyway, so I've not been watching that much since we did the last podcast. I watched an interesting film. What sort of interesting film about the making of Tetris, which is a random work, um, which I had no idea the making of Tetris was so complicated. But if you're into video games, uh, that's a, that's a pretty interesting film. I like Taron Egerton. He's, he's, he's quite easy to watch. Um, and he's good in this. I've also been watching a Netflix show called The Night Agent, which I guess I would recommend. It's kind of formulaic, but like Thriller, the conspiracy, espionage stuff. Uh, night age is quite good. And actually it's got the woman from the whale in it. Oh, right. Um, on Hong Chao. She's. She's one of the main actresses in my agent, and she's. She's. She's good. I like not seeing her before, like, this week. And then I've seen her in two things. Um, so, yeah, I guess I would recommend that if you like that kind of, that kind of stuff. Um, so our main review is the whale warning for the listener. This review will contain spoilers. Um, there's only really a couple that might affect your kind of viewing experience, but is really, I think it's the kind of film it's just about experiencing time with the characters, not really about the plot or the ending, but if you don't want to know any of the details, then stop listening. Though. Written by Samuel D Hunter directed by Darren Aronofsky, Main cast Brendan Fraser, Sadie Sink and Hong Chow. Um, Bruce Plot is a reclusive, morbidly obese English teacher who tries tries to restore his relationship with his teenage daughter. It has done pretty well at the box office and obviously it won Best actor for Brendan Fraser, um, at the Oscars. Did it win anything else at the Oscars? I think you won two things. All the makeup. Oh, best makeup. Hair and makeup. Yeah, right, right. So. Oh, clothes, right. Yeah. That's an interesting spot to start from, actually, because that's what it's got a lot of, uh, controversy about as well. This using using of a fat suit, which is which is, of course, a lot of a surprising amount of debate because the other option is to find an actor who is genuinely. Yeah. £350. Which are they? I don't know where this this. Is it in in relation to like all give everyone a chance kind of thing. Quick fact check the character in the Well it's actually supposed to be £600 but it's in relation to this. Yeah. I guess the modern political way of analyzing films which is you know only gay actors should play gay straight roles. Only £350 actors should play 350. You know, it's it's a bit silly like narrowing the narrowing the pool of of casting to that extent. I mean how many £350 people are even actors. And how many roles are there. I'm just picturing really five people going, Yeah. Finally, I have a chance. Yeah. Brendan Fraser Here in the industry. Anyway, that's unfair. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, as we've said many times before. Yeah, you put two to get a cow, you patch ten cats together in Hollywood. It's ridiculous. It's the name first and whatever you are second. That's why in Bond films, you a Russian guy was never actually Russian. It's because all the start there weren't no Russian stars, so no Russian. If you have a Bulgarian star, all of a sudden he will play all of Eastern Europe, plus some. Yeah, that's true. But this in terms of like I guess we touched on it with the Oscars before in terms of really going through something as the process to get yourself into character or, you know, like we said with, you know, DiCaprio eating a heart or whatever he did, you know, he did have to wear£300 worth of prosthetics. Yeah. Each day for this film, which in itself must have been just crazy in terms of the effect that must have on you. But I guess it's it's obviously helps you to get into the to the character of this man as well. Yeah. 4 hours each day. Right. This in. Yeah. The more hours. Which 4 hours each day having it fitted and then presumably at least an hour having it will come off. That's Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's, it's pretty amazing. Isn't that. Um, and then he also consulted with a, um, a dance instructor weirdly, to, you know, but it was more a kind of movement instructor, I guess you'd call it, just to really nail down how this character would move. Yeah, it was just every single inch of Brendan Fraser was, was so in what he was doing and it was like there was a lot of detail. Yeah, Yeah. And it just, it was his presence there. I mean, he was sitting for a lot of it, but he was sort of locked out. But he was so in character. I've never seen someone absorb the character as much as Brendan Fraser did. And of course you enjoy the the most, the best performances you enjoy effective the most of the performances that yeah, that just they almost don't know they're performing and I feel like. Brendan Fraser there probably times where he just lost himself in that character so much the where he just obviously, you know, knew the lines really well as well. But there were certain ways he said, certain lines that destroyed me that no other one line could ever do because there was so much emotion on every single syllable, the whole rhythm of everything he was saying, he really meant it. And for what an actor can do that you are hit by a brick wall. And it moved me to the point of I was blubbering. Like at points in this film, I had to try to catch my breath. That's me. Because I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't hold it together. I was so moved by it and floored by him to reach out to his daughter. But you know what? And that's why I think, yeah, of course, definitely not the best film. And I'm happy it didn't win, but and his performance was incredible. But what Darren Aronofsky does, he's very good at getting the best out of actors is it's really and it's not talked about enough because you always like for some reason people just think the director just does the shots, right? And the whole film right there kind of right. And then the actors of the but then, man, to get well, you must know he's already Steve as an actor. Fuck me. Like he can't do it without a director. Yeah, yeah. And especially him because he waited apparently a decade because he didn't have the right part. That's it. That's it. He did. And it varies. I think it's that line he takes of the right set. Something just like, How about Brendan Fraser? Right. You know, ten years of trying to get this off the ground and probably the writer is just like, What do you mean, really kind of thing? Like obviously because most people would be like that, they'd been up there and they just doing rubbish and has been for the last 15 years. Are you serious? Yeah. And turned out he was totally right. But that's a great point. And you know, Brendan Fraser would have worked out No, ask you to work with Brendan Fraser for a long time before they even shot this to really dig deep at an of the you could tell was probably what location. So I can imagine they did billions of takes remember because it would be at one time. Right, Right. But which probably helped as well but clearly I mean those two need to work together again because. Oh. Jeez, what a masterclass in, in in in you know, creating an empathetic piece. Yeah. Yeah. And also who Sorry, Go ahead. Go. Good. Well, I was going to say, it does seem like a kind of one of those times where you just have the right the right pairing like like you're saying with the actor and director. And they seem to have hit upon something great there. And even, like you said, just the idea of saying, well, what about Brendan Fraser in the immediate, you immediately go, Well, this is not it's not his type of film and it's not he's not done much for ages. But then actually when you think about it, even before you've watched it, you think in a way he's, he's always been that that even with action roles he's been that really sympathetic, sensitive character. He never felt like he was a he was the sort of cold action hero type guy, even though in most of the films he made were like action or or silly films, he was always very, very sympathetic. And that's kind of, I guess, what you needed for this film as well. Even in the eyes, he's very you can see that he's a very sensitive going through it. All of his. Ability is a strong vulnerability, that 100% and, you know, putting someone like Daniel Craig in that fat suit, good luck, mate. You know. It wouldn't have had the vulnerability. Tom Cruise. Yeah, that's if. You want to make Daniel Craig, like, sort of an American Southerner as a detective. Yeah, yeah. On the point. But yeah, in a fat suit. Yeah, he, he honestly he I think phew. I think you're right. He few people could actually pull it off. What Brendan Fraser did and what was so interesting for me in that film and I don't know if again, there was a lot for Darren Aronofsky that he made me, He unlocked a bunch of shit in me and I felt like this similar thing with you, you know, and you crying so much. You actually we actually had that. I just want to say that we all had that in the office with what is Steve's performances a couple of months ago. I just want to say that we were all close by. Wait a second. But thank you so. But as in a rehearsal, you know, when you cry. Oh. That kind of crying, which is obnoxious. That's like, was that for the how to make her cheap? It was. It was. Cool. I'm looking forward to seeing when you finally have it, have it done as well. Yeah. But anyway, yeah. So I feel like they kind of one thing is the story but he, he's just so good at making films about fathers that are trying to reconnect with their daughters. The Wrestler and this one is probably my two favorite. And are they my two favorite because I'm a man and I can maybe relate to that journey. Most likely. Black Swan I loved, you know, um, different story. Yeah. And, well, it's actually this one is his last one. Was mother, right? Uh, yes. Which did not do it. No, it did. It wasn't great. It was, it was one of those ones where I was like, well, I guess I just don't understand what he's going for here. But I think, you know, he's got a lot of shit for that. And I think maybe this is an attempt, this film, finally getting done is an attempt to say, okay, I'm not all just about concept and you know, you get it right so much very it's not hard film to understand. It's just all in No and I think maybe this is this is showing everyone that he's his. He can do both. So if you didn't like mother, you can look at this and go, okay. He can also do very simple stories very well. And like you say, the one location, I've never seen anything I've ever seen a a kind of cinema release that just takes place in one room. I can't remember the last time. There's there's a Polanski film I think that came in quite came out quite late. Um, he wasn't canceled anyway. So that is producing another film now. It's incredible. It's like, I don't know how he slipped through the. Cracks, you know? Um, but anyway, he has a film with Kate Winslet, and, um, what's the other guy that was in Talladega Nights? Not Will Ferrell? James zero. John C Reilly Yeah, the dude from the German, The Christopher Waltz. Anyway, about and that's all in one place and they're both plays. To be fair. They're funny. There are some photos of the play. I mean it's still put on, it's been on every other year or whatever since it started in Broadway in 2011 or something. But the play, the main character is kind of interesting because like they've just got a huge, obviously big fat suit, big sort of clown outfit based with the for the they don't have the budget for the hat, right? So so let's assume he's on. A thin man's head in a. Big. Cloud outfit but. And. It doesn't I think oh that would bring me out of it. Yeah yeah but clearly still very good for Aronofsky to see it. And I think it's good enough, but. Where do you mention clowns? Because I found out today as well that Brendan Frazier actually trained in clowning. And you can see that now. You know that you can see it in some of his performances, always trying to find that little. The little slapstick. Or something moment that shows you he's sort of had that kind of training as a performer where he's trying to bring that extra little something for the crowd to like. To make. Sense. Yeah, it's funny, isn't it? Um, there's a small glint in his eye occasionally. Yeah, well, he even in the. Well, what you see is sort of when occasionally he tells a couple of subtle jokes and you do see a little twinkle, he sends a lot of his like. But yeah, if you watch the Mummy or what George in the jungle is full of vibe. And clowning around, isn't it really. Yeah. Well he started off that way right. Yeah. But, but I would say and he was kind of funny in that in those kind of set, but he was for me this is the stuff that he's best that, Oh, it's those big eyes, man. He looks like one of those monkeys. Uh, do you know what I mean? I didn't expect you to say that. The big fat monkeys with the big eyes. I think. Yeah, Yeah. Because it sums it well. We all know right in animal as well. They always do big eyes because we, we, we relate to characters more or so and he has big this time He had a big, big body and big eyes. Um and both helped. Big blue eyes and they Yeah, you're right. There's a lot of acting in his eyes in this film, I guess, partly because he's so limited physically, but like God, yeah, I the very few films make me cry, I think. Yeah. I can't even remember the last. I played like a baby in the Green Mile. I know. That's the film that made me cry the most in film history. I was. Literally. An absolute man, which spent that for the bit where he's executed. Spoiler. Oh, I just lost my shirt and I didn't get it back for at least a day. Uh, it was. But this film, yeah. Generally I didn't expect it. When I first started. I was like, okay, you know, and it's uncomfortable and it's, you know, But yeah, I was really blubbering by the end and I have I have read some reviews where people are uncomfortable. I wonder what you guys think about this, like portraying this character as the they feel like there was an attempt to to make him grotesque and disgusting as a person, as if people are grotesque and disgusting. And I wonder what you guys think about that. Did you get the impression that that's. What people are grossing? Goodness. Well, that they were trying to they were trying to, like, highlight the kind of grotesque in this character or whether that was just a byproduct of what he is. Well, isn't it the sausage is part of the story, isn't it? Mean he's he's you know, he's trying to sort of he's trying to kill himself in many ways because he can't go back the other way, you know. So I think the the chunks of time where, you know, he's scoffing like pizza or chocolate or whatever, there is a reason to it. It's not like, oh, okay, we're gonna have a little break now. We're going to see him eat some stuff because I just want to have the audience see that he's fat. Like it still had a reason to it. Yes, that's true. So. So you got you got you saw those eating scenes as like his his not just him. This is how much he loves food and he's scoffing them, but it's his but going to speed up his death. Well, yeah. I mean, I didn't realize that till the end, I guess. But those scenes made more sense when the end came, I but even I was watching them. I didn't go, oh, that, you know, they're making us watch him. Be That's why reviews like that make me look bad, because they're the ones They're the ones of admitting to their being grotesque. Yeah, exactly. Because it's just the dicks in my mind. It's just addiction. It's like Requiem for It, I said, which is arguably his best film. And he and it's just like, without taking fucking heroin. And he obviously has had some issues with him being a father, his own father, and also addiction of some kind. And the best stuff that he does is in relation to those things. I think he's good at many other things, but those themes are super good and in this case he was eating. Of course, if you're addicted to food, then the consequence is that you become a mountain and if you're addicted to heroin, you become super skinny and you steal your mom's TV, which is what he does. And then it's like, Uh, yeah, it's so stupid to go buy something. They just missed the point, basically. Also in L.A., by the way, the conversations here are massive about this fat shaming and that you're not allowed versus people trying to help other people that are going to, you know, in some cases die and all. You're not allowed to do that anymore because it's fat shaming. So you're just going to let people die and more people I'm sorry, I've just realized I've just decided that on this podcast. It's just a really nice outlet to just be honest. I'm just going. Yeah, yeah. No, but you're right. It is an interesting conversation and it's one that's kind of another one where you kind of see both sides. You're like, Well, you're trying to be nice short term, but long term you're not doing them any favors and I don't know, it's a really weird one. But this, but this. Yeah, I didn't get that. I didn't get at all that he was trying to really amplify the grotesque nature of this character. In fact, there's quite a few there's quite a few moments where you show like he shows when, when, uh, what's Hong Charles character called again? The nurse, everybody. Um, but yeah, she's like, you know, like sidling up with him on the sofa, like leaning up against him, like the people in his life who know him don't find him disgusting at all. I really felt like they tried to, uh, they tried to show that that the people have genuine affection for him, and they see past the obvious obesity and kind of. Yeah, I felt like that was quite a nice, uh, few quite nice moments in that way. Okay, So, so seems like we all like to, I mean, like, like we said, I suppose any film and it's got its problems. This film, don't get me wrong, I think it's got issues as well. The ending I felt was a bit on the nose and not really you're going to, but any film that can make you really feel something in the way that seems like we all this film made us feel something. You have to give a lot of praise to, and I think this is worth, it's worth watching. Um, oh, yeah. Even if you're thinking what good it's going to be a tough watch, you know? Not sure it is a tough watch sometimes, but but it really will. It will take something out of you. So yeah, I really recommend this one. I would give it. Oh, I'm going to be too generous now because now I've been talking about how people say were too harsh, but I will give it an 8.5. 8.5. Okay, Steve, I will. I'm going to have to give it a nine. Yeah, solid. Nine. Gone for the nine, which basically, as you said before, was basically a ten. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's true. I see. So I've basically it's. Basically given it. But given that nine. All right. 8.59. Um oh I'm trying to think of all the films we've seen at least just to have a point of reference. Mm. Well, the highest score we've given so far is Banshees and that we all gave it, I think. Oh, God. I'm wondering now actually, because I'm already wondering about my school, because I'm not sure it's better than Banshees. Or. I know that it's this, this vote, but all of the votes are going to be biased in relation to how it hits home. And does it hit home for everyone? I don't know. A bloody hit home to me. Um, I it's 8.5 because I have I hope I want to keep being blown away. Um, but I do feel like it's one of those films, man. You know, while I haven't felt that like I had such a visceral experience, which is what you want, right? Fuck me, You don't want to come. I was like, Yeah, or why did he have laser in his eyes? Well, I mean, some do with all those. Sorry. I apologize. Sorry. Great. You're right. Well, if only he'd had a laser come out of his mouth at the end of this film. Well, yeah, they shoot a lot of the deleted st. So we've given us, cause that's in total was 8.5. 8.59. Oh, that's unbelievable. Well, that's basically 79 in a. 26 up 30, 20. 26 out of 30. And the and the amazing one of the other amazing things about this that we didn't mention is how much is getting people into cinemas for this type of film. It's really apparently in America it's it's done well I mean you can see it's a 3 million budget and it's made 53 million so far. So in terms of like percentage markup or whatever that is, I mean, you've 20, 20 times to your money almost. Yeah. Okay. So this week, the world famous synopsis game is going to be hosted by Gerard, who works in the Annabelle production office. So let's go ahead with that. Maybe Jared could say something about himself. Yes. And so you guys get an idea. So he is a little bit sure of then therefore, we could have written. Yes, please. Also, he's a liar. So that's a lie. Yeah. To choose one lie. Personal history. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, I originally went to Harvard and. All right, I'm going to end it right there. He's too fancy. As a I worked as. A janitor, and I thought that I was smarter than everyone else. One day I saw a problem on a board. I solved that. Hm. Well, but he's very good. He's very. Smart. Obviously very dark. Yeah. So you guys want me to set the rules again, or. No, that's all good. We have to go. Yeah. All right, so the first movie during Thanksgiving break, a possessed talking turkey terrorizes a group of five college students and won't stop until his homicidal rage ends with either his or their demise. Very good. Yeah. Number two. Everybody got the brief. I want to. I want to order that. I. Was that cold. Sorry. Number two. I. I don't want to reveal the movie titles. In case you might have caught him off guard. You might have just caught him off. Okay, well, let's say that's interesting. Yeah. All right, next one. This classic comedy follows a day in the life of the groom of the store, a male servant in the household of the English monarch who is solely responsible for assisting the king in his toileting needs. But after years of torment at his low level position, he decides to plan a plot to assassinate the king that will leave his name in the history books forever. I like that one. First name. Okay, so it's the royalty and lots of toilet stuff. Indeed. That's interesting. The pyramids still look classic. Okay. All right, next one and last one. Two bumbling stoners wake up one morning from a night of partying with no recollection of what they did the night before and cannot seem to find where they left their car along the journey to find it. They encounter a variety of people, including angry girlfriends, a street gang, aliens and a stripper, asking them for a suitcase full of stolen money. Okay. Well, the issue here is okay. Pretty sure we all three know that last film. Yes, that was mine. I was just about to. Say the last one. So. So familiar. I think the last one is the last. Indeed. But but what's interesting, I kind of like it that way because he's he's he's he's taken one off the table straight away. Yeah. And yeah. And between those two is very tough. I like both of them. So the fact that you've made up either of those is great, but oh, you're going to, we're going to keep the titles a secret still. Yes. Interesting. Okay. I think that's. Important. Okay. Okay. I think so, because I think what's happened here is that he hasn't come up the title with on his own film. That's right. So that's what's happened here. Yeah. Yeah. In due time. I will. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But to be fair, I gave him half an hour. He was supposed to find some emails today, and I said, Hey, do you mind coming up with a game? So and he's like, Yes. So fair enough. So it's between. A done, I don't know, a dynamic working environment. That's great. For sure. Hmm. Could you could sorry, could you read out the second one again, please. The royalty one. No problem. This classic comedy follows a day in the life of the groom of the stool, a male servant in the household of the English monarch who is solely responsible for assisting the King in his toileting needs. But after years of torment at his low level position, he decides to plan a plot to assassinate the king that will leave his name in the history books forever. Okay, so what's interesting is that the first one is America, America, America. And the second one is England. Silly but also very British, silly. So it's like, I think you need a British mind to come up with the orderliness. You know that your audience is British and you're playing to the audience. Are very strong. Very good, very good. Because lots of Brit, lots of crass toilet humor in lots of British comedy does have a lot of toilet humor. So royalty plus toilet humor doesn't get away with it. As far as the British. Market, I have an idea. Could I add a little subset segment to the segment, which is called Interrogation Room? Okay. Okay. Yes. Yeah. And then we each get to ask, maybe one question. Yeah. To get more information. Well, I already tried this on. Camera and. He tried that and he's not having it. Right. He's not. No. Title. No, no. It's a. Very smart. I'll give him that. Yeah, he's very smart. But I have one question that normally that that's the question I ask Megan and I always get some, some kind of answers. May I. Please. Which one did you write. It's the. First one. It's the first one. He's not, but got a seasoned interrogator. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you kill them? And they go, No. When I go into back. Office, I've got nothing else. To get off. I just after they said no. I tried but both come together. So the first one, this one is lucky. That goes on a Thanksgiving rampage and and either is going to be killed or is going to kill everyone else. Hmm. It's exactly the kind of film that we've discussed before in this game. So it's a perfect fit. It seems like a film that does exist. So it's clever if Jarre has written that one because it's is in that genre. Serial killing. Yeah. Fruit, vegetables, animals, birds. Actually, I have to say that. Subgenre, of course. Between the two of them, he must have done a good job because both are. Decent, but both. Are very. I really like the idea. I hope you haven't come up with the grammar, the stole idea, because I think that's brilliant. So I just hope I think I'm going to go for the turkey one being the one that you made up. That's the one I'm leaning towards. I'm leaning towards that is the made up of. Yeah, yeah. Okay, drum roll. Yeah. Aladdin Later. Wrong. Oh, wrong. It was a second one. Oh, wow. Knew his audience. The turkey movie is called Thinks Killing Fags Killing Horses. I'm very impressed. Yeah. I'm very, very, very impressed. Obviously. Quick disclaimer. Anything that is ideas that are said in the office are of the property of an I Barbara film. So you say. Immediately. Okay, so I've already. Taken away. From you. I've already started writing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, genuinely, genuinely. That is very even the way you phrased the synopsis. Uh, very good. Very good. Not even joking. You may get a spoiler. You get that right now. You beat us. So get cracking on that film. I would watch the shit out of that. Literally. Um, so there's another successful game of our worldwide famous synopsis game. Um, Meghan's going to have Big shoes to fill next week. She will, but she will be forced to give the titles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. No, that's okay though. I excuse you for that because it was. It was tough. It was. It was very nice to see, but, um. Yeah, I think she has, there's, there's, there's the Contender is. On. Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Maybe we should do one week where each of them can come up with three and then we try and guess both. Interesting in and. Get a little bit competition going, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. But yeah, nice one. Maybe Incentives. Yeah. Grandmother still. What a film. Okay. Um, I can't stop thinking about it. No, it's. It's annoyingly good. All right. Anyway, on that note, um, let's. Let's wrap this up. Thank you, as always, for joining. Um, and thank you to anyone again who's listening. Please follow us on Spotify or Apple, Apple Podcasts. Wherever you listen to your podcasts, email us again. Save the chat pod at Gmail dot com. We have yet to receive an email from a listener, so if you want to be the. First to. Tell us what you think of any of the films, tell us what you think of our opinions. Tell us what you think of us. Yeah. Jared Do you mind sending us an email? Just send us an email. Don't call yourself Jared though. Knowing someone to make you guys feel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, all right. Coming up, comment on looks or sexiness and voices. Yeah, that would be amazing. We need those Pepto-Bismol to keep us going so far. We get we're going so far. But I like the creeping up of followers every week, but it's slow, so we need some compliments now via email. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Thanks, guys. That's it. Thanks for joining us. And we will see you next week for what we read next week, Scream six, I think. Oh, yeah. Is it? Yeah. So get watching, mister, and see you next week. Fantastic ball chase, guys. Cheers. Oh, I'm on.