The One With Ghostface

INTRO - The guys are back with a brand new episode of the Scenedms podcast. First, they focus on basketball and discuss Bam Adebayo's career-high 83 points before shifting to cinema. They give their thoughts on Universal Studios extending theatrical windows again. DuuNo and Merv put together a top 5 all-time horror franchise list. 

ACT ONE - Merv and DuuNo give a rundown of Ghostface killers' scouting report and dissect his origin story. They debate why the Scream Franchise has been relevant for 30 plus years. Then they do a deep dive reviewing Scream movies 1-3. 

ACT TWO - The guys determine which filmmaker made the best version of Scream films. They review Scream movies 4-6. 

ACT THREE - They review the latest film in the Scream franchise, Scream 7. DuuNo and Merv debate the best kills in the franchise and debate the top 5 scenes from the universe. They discuss if Sydney Prescott is still needed in the storyline going forward. Then Merv and DuuNo choose the MVP, sixth man and best cameos from the films.

QT HATERADE - They speak on what grinds their gears in the world of cinema this week.

HEAT CHECK - Scenedms trivia.

LEMME PUT YOU ON - Movie recommendations based on the episodes' subject matter.

OUTRO 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:05

All things cinema, theater etiquette, scripts, top fives, favorite actors and directors, and a variety of other categories that cross our minds while watching some of our favorite movies and TV shows. I'm locked in. Are you? Camera, come vibe with us.

SPEAKER_00 0:21

Issue 70. The one with ghost face.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

How y'all doing? Yes, sir. We are back for another edition of CDM's Season 5, issue 70. Like my boy Merv said. This one is a very exciting one. I mean, it's a lot going on this week. A lot of things happening in the news, happening in the media, happening in basketball, athletic sports, but also we're here to talk about cinema. It's the weekend as we're recording. This is the weekend of the Oscars, so we're excited for that. But we're gonna be talking about the Scream franchise. You know, not Ghostface Killer from the Wu-Tang Clang, but Ghostface, the one that stalks people, and is more of like conspiracy. We'll get into all that. But before we do, I know you saw Bam Atabayo. You know what I'm saying? Before Bam, I'm sorry, you know, hitting the reverse pivot, crunching the paper, shooting at the trash can saying Kobe, I was saying Bam should have my game. That's exactly how I'm about to say. Like, what was your thoughts on the performance? Obviously, Bam out of Bao, you know, being second in terms of the most points scored in a game, 83 points, and and that's a second place record. And I don't know if we'll ever see that be broken in our lifetime, but you never know, especially if a guy like one B catches fire or something like that. But what was your thoughts on that performance? Did you watch the game and did you see the highlights? And what did you think uh of Bam and all the the hate that he's gotten, right? Like that that could be a hate array QT segment for some man's because people were the next morning. I Umayedoka said it was that it was against Washington. Uh he looked at the um Spikey P was like, or was it Spikey P? No, not Spikey P. I'm saying not Spike P.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Um Spikey P. That's it. It was talking shit about it too.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

Yeah, he was on the on the on the club. But um Kelly Ubre talking about when Joel did it, it was way more efficient. Like everybody was just seen like they had something to say about it.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

What was your thoughts? I don't care about any of those people, to be honest with you. I think that that was 83 points is 83 points. You know what I mean? We've all hooped and had an opportunity. Like, bro, happened to me in college one time. Um, my career high in college was 30. And bro, we were beating the team, like we didn't I I didn't need to be on the court, like for real, you know what I mean? Like, I not saying like we were beating them by a lot, but yeah, usually in a regular situation, like bench players would get some minutes. Um, bro, and I I got my rebound, got my two points, coach Coach called a timeout, sold me out. That was my 30. He got me getting my after I got my 30 my 30 ball, right? And it's just like people that and I was chasing it. I was like, bro, I'm close. I might as well get 30. You know what I mean? Like I've never had 30 before um in college, so I might as well go get it. Um so I I'm fine with it. But then there's but then I also understand another side of it. Like when uh this season, I scored 32 in a game, and it was like within the Florida game, like it was a close-ass game, and all those threes I made like were like needed, or we were gonna kinda lose. You know what I mean? Because it still came down to like the last like couple possessions in the game, right? So um I can see both sides of it, but I think a a lot of the hate is coming from like people immortalizing uh Kobe Bryant and and I I again R.I.P. Kobe, I have no problem with Kobe. Um big time Kobe fan. Um but at the same time I feel like you can love somebody and appreciate somebody else doing something. Because people were just like really hating on it, but I'm like after you do more research, that's that's how Wilt got his 100. You know what I mean? Like if you did the research on it, like I I I've done a lot of research on it now, like that's how Wilt scored his 100. It had to be a perfect scenario. They subbed the they subbed the other players, they they started fouling so he could get ex extra possessions just so we can get a hundred a hundred points, man. And that's exactly what they were doing. So I just think that um people just have recency bias and are real haters, bro. Like, I think that somebody said uh I haven't seen all this on Twitter, so it's been hilarious, but I just seen a lot of people just hating. Um and I think a lot of the discourse in in the NBA or basketball in general has come from these like Stephen A. Smith, the skip bailes and and stuff like that, where they started all this like hate and stuff. Whereas like if somebody did that anywhere else, bro, like in any other league, like people would just be like, yo, that's blessed, that's love, that's whatever. But then as soon as like these sports takes came out, uh where these guys were talking a bunch of of like BS about all these players and like oh this, this, this, and this, and discrediting this because they know it gets more views and more clicks, that's just how it's always been. That's how everybody feels. And I feel like outside of the Kobe fans that have been talking crazy, there's just a bunch of random people that like bro, I don't respect your opinion. I don't respect the Kobe fans' opinion, I don't respect Swaggy P's opinion, I don't respect Ime Yodoko's opinion, because at the end of the day, fam, if it was that easy, everybody would do it. I mean, everybody has Washington Wizards on their schedule. So if you wanted to score 83, you could have scored 83. You could have scored a hundred points. But like you're not doing that. So it has to be a perfect storm or perfect situation. And on top of that, the nigga scored 70 points ethically, if you want to talk about unethically. He scored 70 points ethically. He was 30 in the first quarter is ethical. He had 31 in the first quarter, he had 42 at halftime, then at the and by the by the end of like the third start, like 10 minutes into the fourth, he had 70.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

You know what I mean? Like, I mean, sorry, two minutes into a fourth, he had 70. Like, come on, guys. Like, you know what I mean? So that's what I feel about it. I I just feel like you know what I mean. If you have something to chase, you can chase it. And I I always like hate these like unwritten rules of basketball and shit. Like, I hate I hate that shit. Like, bro, like, just who? Like, oh I actually actually one of the coaches is actually is actually funny. Um, one of the coaches this year, because you know overseas, like, it's it's different than the NBA. We don't play those rules stuff. So like um like it's point differential, so you wanna like keep you keep playing to like the last second because bro, it's gonna help you point wise, whatever, right? Depending on there's a tiebreak or whatever later on down in the league, whatever. So, bro, the game was like pretty much almost over, like bro, it's almost over. Five seconds left. My teammate dribbled down the court past to me, bro. I dunk it at the buzzer, dunk it at the buzzer, just like a light, like fam, just it's my teammates didn't say they count as a dunk because it was like a rim grazer. Yeah, you know what I mean, kind of thing. I was just chilling because the game was over, whatever. Bro, the coach, the the coach and the other team ran on the course like uh clapping my face and said, Yo, good job, good job, what a man you are. First of all, his English is trash. So I'm like, fam, I don't understand what you're saying, number one. And then he's just like, yo, yo, good job. You're you're such a man, you're such a man, you're such a man, or whatever, whatever, whatever. And I'm like, bro, watching him, watching him, watching him. Bro, I'm chilling, I'm chilling, I'm staring at him, and he's still talking, he's still talking. I said, nigga, have you like right to his face, and I all the coaches on my team are like, oh, relax, relax, relax, relax. I'm like, nah, bro, I breeze, what's wrong with this guy? Like, yo, and all stuff, right? But like, but usually you don't see that. Usually, like overseas you see that. So it's a little different overseas, you don't see that kind of stuff. Like, everybody plays to the last buzzer. Um, but in the NBA, for some reason, I heard Gilbert Arenas talk about it in the NBA that um that it's like it's weird that like the team that's down gets to do whatever they want, like offensively, defensively, pressing and trying to shoot threes and all that stuff, but the team on the team that's that's winning has to like play conservative and not doing well. And I'm just like, that's so stupid. Just hoop, bro. Just hoop into the last buzzer. If you're losing, you should have played better. If you're winning, you know what I mean? Just just keep whooping the ass. Like, I don't, I don't, I I feel no ways about it. Like, I personally don't care. Like, I whatever. I don't believe in those stupid rules, stuff like that. Just keep hooping. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 7:57

At the end of the day, keep hooping. I mean, I was impressed, man. The performance was great, like you said, as an athlete ourselves, it's it's it's extremely difficult, just even conditioning-wise, when you think about like how much of we talk about the flow state of being in the flow state of how much you have to really be on the attack. Like, there's games where I I have like 20-point first halves and I finish with like 28, 29, or like 31. Like, I don't have like 40 or 50s. And I think it's because it's a rare gene to like really have that attack bowl where you're like every possession, like like a lot of stuff has to go right. They talk about the free throw disparity, but I mean, like, whose fault is that? You guys are you know holding Bam accountable for wanting to play and win a game. I mean, uh he was getting hacked.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

He was getting hacked. There's only like there's only like six or seven, six or eight free throws that were like, okay, unethical.

SPEAKER_01 8:38

And I was gonna say, on top of that, Norman Powell wasn't playing, Tyler Hero wasn't playing. Um, who else? There's like two other starters that weren't playing, so Bam had. He had to make up for those shots. So we know he was gonna take a lot of shots. Again, Bam is not typically like the microwave type of score or like a the typical 80-point score that you'd expect to have this type of record, like the assassins like Kobe Bryant or Donovan Mitchell, or even like Luca last year when he had like a 60-piece for no reason. Um Luca had 50 the other day, and it was in the flow of the game, so it feels I guess more natural. But you gotta tip your hat off to a person that when they have an opportunity to chase or even rewrite history, like his name will forever be in history because of that. Um, you might not think of him as a champion or or the greatest big man to play the game, but you'll always put respect on his name, saying that he scored the second most amount of points in a basketball game. So again, I understand what everybody's saying. You know, you want to, you know, immortalize Kobe Bryant and you want to protect that, but you know, that's the whole point of like stats and history and and and accolades and stuff like that is for people to push it and take it even further. But I think uh you also thought they respect what's happening now. So again, I put all the blame on Washington Wizards. Like I watched the majority of the second half. I was so disappointed. I'm like, these guys are now trying to triple team him. Like, what happened the second quarter? What happened in the second quarter when he had 31? Not even the second quarter. What happened in the first quarter after the first meeting of timeout where he said, all right, he has 17 guys. Let's let's figure out a way to let's slow this down. Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 10:04

Like and then at the first quarter break, the man has 31. You're not gonna tell me, okay, let's maybe double team him now. Maybe let's let's try to get the ball out of his hands. He's the only man playing on their team. But no, let's let's let's keep letting him get to 70 and then oh shoot, like maybe we should do something.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

Yeah, that was that was that was wild. But uh cool for Bam out of the ball. Also, shout out to obviously Asia Wilson, you know what I'm saying, USC.

SPEAKER_00 10:25

In attendance, you know what I mean? In attendance, in attendance, sometimes sometimes you gotta, you know what I mean? Sometimes you gotta you gotta you gotta show up, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 10:32

So Jordan Jordan Poole, baby, who we wrote. Exactly. Um she said she no longer has the highest uh point record. I think hers is in the 50s uh for the WNBA. I'm putting the over on the high scoring household right there.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

I'm I'm gonna put uh the over on her uh her uh single in one of the games this season in the WNBA season, she's gonna have 84 for sure. She's gonna get 84, she's gonna do it just because she can. That's that's the problem.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

I was having this talk the other day with somebody, and we're gonna get into movies right after this. But do you think that because I was talking to my boy, don't I put him on the spot, but we my teammate AJ Davis, um his sister is also a Kayla Davis, a great basketball player, also played at USC. She plays overseas, played in the W. But we talked about Asia and and all the accomplishments that she's been. She's kind of scared, she's kind of past like the Candace Parkers and the and the other GOATs. I wanted to ask you, like, do you think that Asia is like a GOAT right now, like one of the GOATs? And if not the GOAT, do you think she's you know on a Mount Rushmore? Because when you think about how many times she's won defensive play of the year, how many times she's won MVP, and how many you know, chips she has, and it's on some Luca stuff where she's only she's not even 30 yet.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

Yeah, like I feel like that one, man, like it's it's it's kind of hard to say, of course, because you don't want to like diminish anybody in the past. But like based on her resume, based on everything she's already accomplished, um maybe Candace Parker and them would will say that um or Lisa Leslie will say like though the league was way way tougher when they were playing, or something you know how people be.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

Yeah, but but based on her accolades and everything she's doing right now, she's on top of that, we've we forget that she's gonna forget that she's won uh a gold medal team USA. We forget that she's also um won a championship instead of A.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Like, I know, I know, but there's some people you can't really you can use that, but some people like if if that's the thing like people are gonna be like, if Maya Moore played longer, she would have been the goat. You know what I mean? Because she she quit and she quit as far as she was she was hooping. Like everybody thinks she's a goat too.

SPEAKER_01 12:27

So but and that's also the same penalize Asia for the and that's also the same argument they try to throw on Braun with Jordan, where it's like, you know, my dad's always like Jordan retired twice. Whose fault is that, fam? You all take time off?

SPEAKER_00 12:39

His mental is terrible. Uh Braun's his best better. So I don't know. My fault, he's a gambling addict. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

All right, but man, yo, we you know what's crazy? Sometimes I feel like, and I know you watched the show growing up as well, but I don't know if we're that so DM in response to that so Raven, because we spoke some things into existence, bro. I don't know if you saw the recent news, but I wanted to get your thoughts on Universal is now extending theatrical windows again. So we literally spoke about this on the last episode about the hater QT or hater A QT moment in our segment where we spoke on, you know, you not being able to see the Bones Temple movie because it got removed from theaters quickly when you're in Portugal overseas, me not being able to go see the future film whistle, that I was uh you know fortunate to be a part of because they they yanked it from theater so quickly. But now I think the movie industry is correcting a mistake they made. And you know, studios obviously used to rush to go to streaming for everything and it trained the audience to kind of wait at home. Like, how many people are like, ah, I'll wait until it comes out at home, I'll see you when it's at home. Um and you kind of killed the urgency, right? Like movies start feeling like events outside of like the Oppenheimers and the Top Guns and stuff like that. But when you look at those type of films, it shows you that that that's a possibility because those movies were not like great weekend explosions, but they grew. Um, if you look at the numbers for Top Gun Maverick and Oppenheimer, like it wasn't the first weekend numbers were outstanding. I think Barbie was one of the ones that like kind of killed it that weekend. But you know, the 30 days or the 35 days that they're extending it to is actually a great sweet spot. I think they're extending it to a 35-day limit now that it has to be in theaters, and it gives the film at least five weekends to breathe, man. And I think that's where we talked about last episode. The word of mouth lives. Like those first couple weeks of like, hey, Merv, but I think you should go watch this movie. Or, you know, you how you put your teammates on and it just spreads. You know, you tell your mom, you tell, you know, they tell the coworkers, like it, that's just how it goes. So I think streaming is convenience, and we love that. I'm not gonna sit here and say I don't take advantage of streaming. And I think that theaters have become kind of like a mythios or a mythology nowadays, where where when I tell people like I just watched this movie in theater, like you went to the theaters? Like, I'm like, yeah, bro, like what do you mean? Like they make it seem like it's a a a field trip or some type of rare event. And back then I felt like we were doing it so much. But what were your what are your thoughts on that? They kind of the industry kind of l, I guess asking you so receive, but they kind of listen to us. So you give the time, the film time to be in theaters, and then it gives more time to the culture, you give it more conversation, and you give it a chance to become something more stronger when it comes to the content. So I like this move and I wanted to hear your thoughts on it.

SPEAKER_00 15:05

Well, first of all, I just want to say uh congratulations to us C and DMs. Clearly, they're they listen to our podcast, so you know I mean that's obviously blessed. Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, obviously. Um, but otherwise, bro, um, I think I love it, bro. I I I love the fact of like you talked about, like you alluded to, it was just that like sometimes you need a suggestion, you need somebody to say something. Like sometimes, bro, like there's a movie out in theaters, and I won't even know it's out in theaters. Because whatever advertising, whatever, whatever the case may be, and then and then as soon as as soon as it's like out of theaters now, everybody's like, yo, this movie was so tough in theaters, I'm like, okay, like let me go see it. It's out of theaters. I'm like, fam, that was like two weekends ago. Um, and so I think that uh that's a little bit of a problem um with movies, because obviously, like we talked about streamers, streaming gets a lot of money from these movies. It's obviously a lot more convenient. People are able to just go and and watch at their house if they don't have an opportunity to. Obviously, it's a little bit more money, a little bit more time, a little more effort to get out the house and stuff like that. But um, and like you said, it's a little bit of like a mythical place now, the movie theater. But I feel like there's nothing like being in like a it's like a communal movie experience where everybody's just like watching something at the same time, experiencing all at the same time the same emotions, you know what I mean, the different uh uh point of views and everything like that, with the smell of popcorn, you know what I mean, the previews, bro, the sound, bro. There's just nothing like the theater sound. Like I we can I can rant on that all day, every day, but but at the same time, um I think that that's what the best part about it is. And I think that uh a lot of these like movie um these companies, uh studios and stuff like that, like don't really understand that streaming, especially streaming platforms. I feel like Netflix definitely doesn't understand that for sure. But a lot of these streaming platforms don't because it's just like yo, we want people to watch it streaming. But it's like bro, like these movie theater experiences are like life-changing. Yes, you can pause the movie, yes, you can do this, you can be on your phone and you can rewind it because you missed a part, blah blah, but like fam, like just bro, just two hours out of your day, maybe two and a half if you're watching, you know what I mean, a certain movie, but like that you just sit down, be still, and and just like enjoy something like that. I think that that's what we love about movies, and I love the fact that they're able to do it for five weekends, bro. Five weekends, 35 days. Honestly, that's the that should be the least, honestly. And then it should they should bump it up to like two months that it should be in theaters, you know what I mean? That a movie that's one either doing really well or a movie that is um not really like an indie movie, you know what I mean? Like it's like more like a you know I mean, like I get I get if they want to keep indie movies because there's movies coming out every weekend and they're just like all right, we need to put a different movie in the theater, whatever. But at the same time, like like some of these big time movies, um like I I don't understand why they would only be in the theater for two weeks, three weeks, and then call it a day. So I love that personally. Yeah, I love that too.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

But let's pivot to what we're talking about, Ghostface. And again, we're talking about the Scream franchise, and it's really relevant because Scream 7 just came out and it's crushing it at the box office. And then also, I know you've been seeing the trailers and the recent clips. Dwayne's bros are back outside. You know they're gonna comment on Scream and Ghostface. They always throw that in their scary movie. So Scary Movie 6 is coming out this year, June 6th. My brother's birthday. Shout out to Cinco. But what are your top five horror franchises of all time? Because Scream is definitely one of the top-tier horror franchises. On my list, I have five all old school ones. Personally, I mean, I could have thrown in like the conjuring, and I'm sure there's some other ones that I know for sure that you probably like that I'm thinking about that I don't want to, you know, spoil it. But what are your top five horror franchises of all time if you have to ring them off real quick?

SPEAKER_00 18:49

Top five in no particular order. Obviously, you have to go to Halloween. Um Mike Myers is one of the most iconic um uh what would you say? It's not villain. What would you call him? What would we consider? I mean No, no, what do you consider them? What do we consider these guys? Like horror movie, like like you know, what would we consider ghost face? What would we consider what would we call them? Like they're not villains, or they are villains, but what are they? I mean, I don't know, man. That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know what I would call them, but exactly. But I don't know what to call them, but yeah, I would say I have to say Halloween, obviously, for Mike Myers. Of course I have to go Friday the 13th, um uh with uh Jason. Um have to go Freddie Kruger, of course, obviously, um Nightmare on Elm Street, um uh I'll go Saw, I'll go Saw. I like that. I'll go Saw Um Dang man. Obviously, uh we're talking about Scream, so I guess I'll say Scream. Okay, but I'll just put an honorable mention because we're talking about it. But outside of Scream, I would probably go foo Insidious.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

Insidious? Ooh, that's a good one too. Yeah, I I think uh pretty much have the same type of list. I would go Halloween franchise for sure because it's that's the blueprint. Michael Myers, you know what I'm saying, walking through the suburbia, turning the normal streets into nightmares is classic. Then I'll probably go a nightmare on an Elm Street franchise. I think having dreams become the battlefield, and just like you said, Freddie Krueger being one of the most imaginative like horror villains ever. Just again, think of a kid going to sleep. Two things you're worried about is what's under your bed or in your closet, but also like nightmares. I think the fact that Freddie Krueger attacks you in your in your dreams and nightmares is like the craziest thing. We talked about in the Halloween episode, but like fam, I don't I don't want to go to sleep no more. Like, what are we talking about? Uh I also say Scream again. I think it's just like one of the most self-aware slasher films. You you talked about it, man. We we voiced note, obviously, we speak about movies a lot, and you spoke on the fact that it's a very meta and self-aware franchise. And I love that, man. I think that they they did that to like the best of its ability. Um, you know, sometimes it can be a little too much, but I just think I just I appreciate the creativity behind it because I know that's a very complex thing to tackle. And I think I like how they didn't just play the game, but they explained the rules to the game while breaking them. Yeah. Uh Friday the 13th franchise, gotta put that in there. You know, Campfire mythology. That's you know, I'm black, so I don't really go camping. But also one of the reasons why I don't go camping is because Jason Voyhee's story is so crazy. Um, he's like the unstoppable symbol of horror when it just comes to walking up and murking people. And then I would say, again, these are older ones, but I would go with you know Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Like I think that franchise is pretty elite, and I think they're reviving it, and there's going to be a new one coming out soon. But that's that raw brutality, it's that leather face, man. You think about Leatherface, all these guys we thought about, like these characters are you know monikers and masks that live on. And you think about Leatherface, he really makes horror feel like dirty, obviously, through the cannibalism and just how dangerous he is, right? So I haven't throw Texas Chainsaw Mask here on there.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Nah, facts, man. I think that we kind of have some of the same, but it it it comes down to the Reason that the franchise works and makes it iconic to me personally, or makes it a best franchise, is based on that character. Like, you know what I mean? That one character that everybody's like, yo, like a ghost face, like a like you said, like a like a leather face. Like you know, I mean you we name off all these people, but when you come to like new horror films, like you talk about insidious, I don't know who you know I mean. The conjuring, I don't know, you know what I mean, like that kind of stuff. I don't know, but but when you think about those ones, bro, it's always an iconic, iconic, like um scary movie, villain-ish kind of character, you know what I mean? So nah, great point, great point.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

Alright, man, we're gonna take a quick time. I will be back with some more scene DMs after this, don't go anywhere. We are bat. What's going on? We are officially here for act one of issue 70, the one with the ghost face. And we're talking about the Scream franchise. Mur, what is the scouting report on Ghostface?

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Well, before we get into that, I would love to talk about why Scream was even made in the first place. Oh sure, and how the idea of the franchising came to be. Um, it actually was based on real-life serial killings. Um murders in 1990, uh, that were committed by his name, Danny. Danny Rowling, and he's known as a Gainesville Ripper. He killed five college students in Florida over a three-day span. Screen uh screenwriter Kevin Williamson got the idea when watching TV news report on the murders while he is while seeing his window open while he was home alone, like while he was babysitting. Yeah. So that's where this idea even came from. And then that's where it shot off into an entire franchise of movies, right? Um But on that, that's exactly what it is. It's his his uh Ghostface scandal report is you always gotta aim for the head for number one. Number one, if you're gonna murder him, aim for the head. It's like a zombie. Yeah, aim for the head, number one. But always ghost face, there's a possibility, there's gonna be two. Always gonna be a strong possibility, there's gonna be two. Strong possibility is gonna be two, people blame ghostface. There is it's definitely gonna be somebody that's close close to you, whether a fan member, a friend from school, or somebody that loves you too much, somebody that doesn't love you too much. I mean that's another scam report. Um Ghostface is a human being. I just want to point this out. He's not he's not supernatural. So so when he dunks people off and and they're just like slipping and sliding when he's chasing them, it cheeses my spirit. That's not gonna point that out anymore. Um but yeah, nah, Ghostface, uh what else? Um for some reason as well. Sorry, we're gonna talk about this too. For some reason, they never take this nigga's mask off when they knock this nigga out. They never take his mask off to sue it's until the end. It's like some Scooby-Doo shit. Where we gotta wait till we gotta wait to the end, like jinkies, like you know what I mean. It's like this this person, like fine. Like, I don't I don't care about that, bro. Tell me, tell me who it is immediately. We'll we'll figure it out later.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

But is this is it scream two or three where um where Neve Campbell is climbing over the car when they crashed? No, bro, it's two, it's two, it's two cheese. And she almost takes it off, and I'm like, yo, why you why are you focusing on take it off?

SPEAKER_00 25:26

Cut that's what that's what but that you're moving at the girl in the back, too. I don't care. Take off the master me see. I'm like, all right, this is what it is, bro. Like, you know what? Like, I don't care. Take off the master me see. But it's like Batman, bro. Joker got cheese with uh they took out Batman's mass.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

No, you ruined the surprise. You ruined the surprise. Joker was eating at the good. You ruined the surprise. I don't even know.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

I don't want to know who he is, bro.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

I love that. But yeah, Ghostband Scouting Report, I think you hit all the you know the the the strengths and weaknesses that he has. Like you mentioned, I think that the crazy thing about him is that he's the only horror villain that operates like a conspiracy. So, like you said, he's he's not supernatural, like he's one of the man though. So he's he's human, he makes mistakes, he tricks.

SPEAKER_00 26:12

The woman are a man, that's the crazy part.

SPEAKER_01 26:14

Yeah, exactly. He gets punched, like sometimes he gets outsmarted. Like he's he's getting dummy sometimes, especially uh uh Neve's character.

SPEAKER_00 26:22

I mean, she's always giving that man move. A dodger. I was like, yo, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

A lot of times she's getting ghost face. I swear she's a professional soccer player for sure. But I think the biggest thing about this franchise is the psychological aspect of it because the fact that he's always able to, or she, like you mentioned, could be a here or a man or a woman, but they're always able to use the voice uh modular that could change. They could call you. The phone call thing is the real like specialty. That's the go-to move. That's the step back. That's the that's the Ja Moran uh cross bulldog, you know. I would say like the go-to move for Ghostface is he has to ask you, do you want to play a game or what's your your favorite scary movie? Which we love that, but I think it's less like fighting a monster, right? And it's more like surviving a chess mass of who a match of who the killer is and who knows the actual script is the person that's gonna make it on top. But before we get into reviewing the franchise, I will start off with screen number one. Uh, why do you think Ghostface stays so relevant after 30 years? I know we touched on a little bit of it, but I I mean I think one of the biggest things, the reason why he's able to stay relevant through you know generations of film is because the mask itself is is not the villain. You know what I'm saying? The idea is anybody can be Ghostface, literally, anybody can be ghostface. It's just like a thing that they put on that represents something. And you know what's crazy? Black phone is kind of trying to take on that mantle and a little aspect with uh with that character. So I I see the influence that Scream has on like the black phone franchise, where it's like the the killer can actually die, but then it's like whoever puts on the mask is kind of like continuing um what that killer was doing. But I think every generation gets its own ghost face, right? That's what makes it so cool. Like you have the high school drama, you have the internet culture, the fame obsession, the true crime fandom. The killer is always a reflection of what the era is. So I think that's why it's able to always survive different, you know, not remakes, because we'll get into it a little bit later, but they're continuations and they acknowledge that about like, oh, this is a sequel, this is a requel. This is what happens to the trilogy. Like, I love it, I love all that stuff, and that's what makes us, the audience, feel like we're in on the joke. And I think that's the biggest thing with the franchise. It speaks to the language of the horror fans, like it always references the rules. And and again, we'll talk about it, but what I message you for Scream 2. Um the opening scene is Omar F talking about how you know the black uh people always die first, and it's like it comments on itself and then actually does what it comments on.

SPEAKER_00 28:44

It's just bro, that's what the I think that's what was I didn't because of all the years that we haven't um I haven't seen it, bro. Like, because obviously it's been a minute, and sometimes in my mind it kind of I I don't know if it's a scary movie or scream because because they did such a good job, but yeah, um but nah, that's I I didn't realize how like you said, like how meta it is, like how like it literally speaks about itself. Like in the second one, they have a whole class, film class, about them talking about sequels and how sequels don't work and how sequels sometimes do work and how sequels can't be better than the first. I'm like, bro, we're in a sequel right now, you guys are talking about.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

Right uh, this is crazy. Um this is like the Truman show mixed with uh uh horror movie. Nah, go sorry. I was gonna say, like, it it I like how it mocks the cliches, and then it still scares you anyway. But uh the one of the biggest things we always talk about is like how we're older now and watching films. So of course we've seen Scream like one to three in our past, but when I rewatched it and like you talked about that class specifically, they're naming different sequels. Like, nah, but The Godfather, and I'm like, yo, now that I actually watched all these movies, I felt like I was a willing participant, and and then it made me even have a higher level of respect for the script. And and because like it reminds me of the show Studio where Seth wrote with Seth or or these other movies where they show like Zootopia 2, where they have there they include different movie references. Like when I when a movie or TV show is able to include like like pop culture cinema into its like inner workings of the show, I love it. It it works for me every single time.

SPEAKER_06 30:10

That someone's trying to make a real life sequel. Stat two? Who'd want to do that? Sequels suck. Oh, please, please. By definition alone, they're inferior films. It's bullshit generalization. Many sequels have surpassed their original. Oh yeah? Name one. Yeah. Aliens. Far better than the first. Well, there's no accounting for taste. Thank you, at least got rules. Name another. No. Aliens is a classic, okay? Get away from her, you bitch. I believe the line is stay away from a you bitch. It's a film class, right?

SPEAKER_00 30:40

Yeah, definitely appreciate it and definitely love that, love that aspect. I felt like you too, when they were talking about those movies um in that class, I was like, I started thinking about sequels. I'm like, yeah, there is some sequels, there is some whatever. And I was like, nah, you're tripping. And I was like, nah, no, he's right, he's right, he's right, or she's right, or whatever. And I was going back and forth and I was like, fam, like, I actually love this discourse. Like, you know what I mean? And and like you said, the screen, the screenwriting was, the script writing was amazing um for that, because just to even have that dialogue um in the film to to to show respect to all the to show respect to all the films that came before um it, but also at the same time poke fun at all those films that came before it. So I really rocked with it. And I think that's why um because of its meta um aspect, I feel like that's why it's it's lasted so long. Um and being so iconic. Obviously the the mask is iconic, number one. Um the uh the story is iconic. Um but I think that just because simply simply based on Ghostface being able to be anybody is what made it something that is okay, like this right here is something that can go on forever. It was the smartest move they ever came up with, if that was something they intentionally did or something that they they just it just popped up after they did the first one, kind of thing. So I really rock with it, and that's why I I consider it uh one of the classics because of that alone.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

I low-key want to give some credit to the directors who I mean I know they've had different directors for throughout the franchise for the films, but the first three are were directed by Wes Craven. I think they were so special because it was intentional cinema, and they're slashers, but they're also film school essays about horror, like you mentioned. Every movie examines storytelling itself, and I think that's why the franchise lasted nearly 30 years, because here's one of the craziest stats, Merv. It's the the first three films alone, like just by themselves, one to three, roughly grossed half a billion dollars worldwide combined on modest budgets, so that's insane efficiency. So I think Scream might be one of the most intelligent horror franchises every made. That might be my hot take, but I think it's because it's one of the only horror series that understands the audiences on the joke, like I said. And it's the thing where like the viewer knows the rules, the characters know the rules, the killer knows the rules and uses it against them. And it's not just a horror, like I said, it's like a game that we will always appreciate. But I think Wes Craven has a big hand on that. We've spoken about him and his ability to direct other movies that we we messed with as well. Um, so I'm pretty sure we spoke to mom in the last episode. He directed Rest Red Eye with um Richard Adams, right? So, you know, Wes Craven and his ability to like, we'll talk about a little bit later, but his I think affection for tension and establishing tension is phenomenal, man. When we speak about Scream 3, there's a scene with Gil Richards, aka Courtney Cox. Um, and it wasn't more like when she was hiding uh in that little sound studio um and scream was behind the glass. Yeah, when Dewey was there. And Dewey, yeah, yep, yep. That wasn't like jump scares. It was more so like, no, Scream was there, he was trying to figure out ways to get in, throwing the chair at it, it can't break the glass. And I'm like, oh, that's different because we're so used to jump scares, but this time it's like we see Ghostface the whole time, we see her the whole time. She's crawling, she's trying to go in the corner, and it's more so like we're just like, oh, what's gonna happen? Is he gonna find a weapon that's gonna break through the glass or is he gonna find a way to get inside? But it's not more so like, oh, turn your head, oh, he's there out of nowhere, which they're so good at doing as well. Yeah, but um, yeah, let's get into the first one, man. Scream came out in 1996, directed by Wes Craven, budgeted at$14 million, worldwide box office of$173 million. Again, this is the 1996 era, man, so that's a lot of money to talk about inflation. But the quick synopsis about it is that the film pretty much opens up in a small California town of Woodsboro, where the teenager Cassie Becker receives a mysterious phone call from someone asking trivia about horror movies. And what begins is a playful conversation quickly turns into a deadly game when the caller reveals he's watching her in the crib. Within minutes, Cassie becomes the first victim and masked killer known as Ghostface comes into the crib and does what he has to do. And the murders quickly spread across town, and there's fear all over Woodsboro and through the high school. Like there's a student named Sidney Prescott who's the main character and kind of the main threat through all these uh movies and the story. It's already emotionally shaken from the unsolved murder of her mother from the previous year. And then Ghostface begins targeting Sydney and her friends, the suspicions spreads and across all over town, and it includes her boyfriend who's creepy as hell, Billy Loomis, which is that funny connection of Mr. Loomis in the Halloween series who plays the cop that's always trying to follow uh Michael Myers, and he's hilarious because he's like always getting outsmarted by Michael Myers and always like just saying like he's he's scary guy. Yeah, Loomis is hilarious. I like how they made that connection. It's like an Easter egg if you're a horror fan. And then the reporter Gail Richards or Gail Weathers uh who and the kind-hearted deputy Dewey uh Riley begin investigating the killings while Sydney and her friends slowly realize the killer is following the rules of a classic slasher movie, which is what we talked about, or classic slasher movies. And the final act it kind of takes place in a chaotic, in a chaotic house party where the truth is finally revealed, and the killer is not one person, but like Murph said, it's two. So, you know, elite bench play, you know what I'm saying? They got the depth on lock when it comes to Ghostface Killer. They can make subs on the dime, uh, stunt doubles, all that. But uh Sydney's boyfriend, Billy Loomis, and his best friend Stu Maker are the ones that were working together the whole time and kind of had that Scooby-Doo reveal, and their motive was revenge, and they wanted to thrill, seek, and have chaos on Sidney's mother for their past affair uh to Billy's father. And the killer should have frame Sidney's father for the murders, but Sydney does what she has to do and ultimately turns the tables, and Billy is shot by Gail. Sydney finishes the job and uh Stu is you know killed off and killed by the T by the TV. By the TV, and the film ends, and Sydney uh survives the truth about the murders that are finally exposed. So, what did you think about that film? Um, I'll say what I have to say about it after, but Scream 1, I think, is one of the best like openings to a franchise uh you know, horror franchise uh that you could think of, right? Like what were your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_00 36:46

Nah man, I think it was um was iconic. Um I remember watching it as a kid, just like thinking about being in a small town um with friends and just like just having a killer on the loose. I was like, bro, that must be terrifying. Must be an interesting experience because like bro, like you you don't know who the killer is. You're relying on the the local PD, but it could be your friends, it could be bro, like it's it's just such an interesting concept. Um so simple in a sense, like it's not like super, super, super complex, but at the same time, it gives you enough where it's like you're guessing who it is, and then you're like, yo, it it must be this person because it's so obvious, but it's like, but maybe they don't want it because it's so obvious it's not the killer, and then and you're going back and forth, and then come to find out it was the creepy boyfriend the entire time that we thought, but then at the same time he had an accomplice uh with Stu Marker. So um man, I thought the movie was great. Um I think it's a it's a classic for damn sure. Um and I think it's it's I really it really helped uh Niv Neve Neve Campbell, Niv Neve Campbell, um really like show like a a real person that survives horror, a horror film, yeah um and outsmarting it based on her own traumatic stuff because before the m before the movie started, like she had her own tra uh traumatizing experience the year before. Yeah. So for her to just like her entire life ends up becoming trauma after trauma after trauma, obviously, based on the movies. So um, so yeah, it's just uh I mean that's an interesting concept. Such a such a great world-building start.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

Um a great start, and it definitely kind of redefines that we talked about Jamie Lee Curtis's character in Halloween and the final girl aspect, but this is like a different type of final girl, right? Like, of course she screams every now and then, but we just see her ability, like you said, to make it through adversity and traumatic, you know, situations over and over and time and time again. But I think the film is an historic uh uh just just example of filmmaking. Because the opening scene itself, you know, Drew Barrymore is still one of the greatest horror openings ever filmed. Like I'll stand on that with ten toes, business down. I'm standing on that. Marketing made the audience think that you know she was the lead star of the movie. Yeah. But she got killed within the first scene, and I think that shocked a lot of people. Chris Brown treatment. The Chris Brown treatment for Stop the Yard, man. And I think that um it immediately told the audience and showed us that, like, yo, the movie's playing different, bro. It doesn't matter that this is a star. Anybody can get murked off, nobody's safe.

SPEAKER_03 39:23

Who is this?

SPEAKER_04 39:24

Tell me your name, I'll tell you mine.

SPEAKER_03 39:27

I don't think so. I'm getting ready to watch a video. What's your favorite scary movie? Uh I don't know. You have to have a favorite one that comes to mind.

SPEAKER_06 39:51

Um, the one with the guy in the white mask who walks around and stalks babysitters.

SPEAKER_03 39:59

What's yours? Yes. Um Nightmare down the street. Except the one where the guy had knives for fingers. Yeah, Freddie Krueger. Freddie, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 40:11

I like that movie. And even just like if you you you look at the the reality of it, of like who Drew Barrymore was in real life. So even to see her get murked off, like you said, it's kind of like the Chris Brown effect, where it's like, whoa, you would do that. Like, that's the biggest person in the movie by by by default. I know Courtney Cox was just starting Friends and still becoming like a friend superstar, but like she like Drew Barrymore was the biggest thing attached to that poster out of all those actors. And and obviously Dee Campbell got bigger through this movie. But I think that Craven did a great job of balancing satire and terror brilliant brilliantly. And the character is like openly discuss horror cliches within the film, which I think you know, we love that. So uh man, the fact that he's able to show the neighborhood, you know, kind of turning into a slow nightmare. And I think that like the quiet neighborhoods, the calm daylight, the the sudden erupts of violence, um, man, the contrast makes it very, very settling. But again, I think it's one of those classic films for sure.

SPEAKER_00 41:03

But what about Scream 2? So Scream 2, man, uh came out in 1997. Uh it it had a budget of$24 million and made a box office of$172 million. Um, obviously showing that it is a successful franchise. Um, that's why we got seven of them. Um but then in this one, uh, it takes place two years after the Woods Barrel murders. Um and obviously we start off the film just like in the last one. Each film, each one of these films started off with a random person just, you know, I mean cooking dummied. But we start off with Omar Epps and Jada Pinkett Smith as they go and watch uh stab. Um the movie that is based on the movie that was based on The First Scream and uh Cindy Prescott's life. Um everybody in there has ghost face masks on, everybody's in there just going crazy. Uh there's no order at all. People are throwing popcorn, like there's just blood everywhere, like fake blood everywhere, and everything like that. So Omar Epps is obviously took takes her to watch the film. She doesn't really want to be there, obviously, but obviously because she's a little scared, but Omar's just amped, whatever. Uh tries to scare her, everything like that. But then Omar goes to the goes to the bathroom, gets murked, uh, dies, um, and then uh the the the killer decides to put on his clothes and go sit beside uh Jada. Um and because of the movie is everybody's chaotic, people are throwing popcorn. The killer stabs her multiple times in her stomach, bro, right there in front of everybody. Everybody just like, she's acting, she's acting, great acting. Everybody doesn't care, nobody cares, fam. It was insane. Like she got stabbed a hundred times, and people were just like sitting there, just like enjoying the movie and like just being chaotic, bro. It was just like a chaotic scene altogether. I couldn't, I honestly couldn't have been there myself, personally. I that's not somewhere niggas should be. So that's why I don't know why why they were there, but whatever. Um, so that's the movie starts off. Um, but it takes like I said, it takes two years, uh takes place two years after, where um Sydney Prescott and Randy, one of her friends um from Woodsboro, um, are at Windsor College in Ohio. Um, and everything starts back up when there's a killing spree around campus. Um and now Sydney has to try to figure out who the killer is once again. Um with Dewey coming into town to try to help out uh Sydney again and Gail coming into town. And this is where Sydney punches her straight in her jaw piece because um because she wrote a book and got movie rights and everything like this, and and said all this stuff about um all these people from Woodsboro and Sydney. Um and and then a subplot is about um Cotton Weary, who was the initial person that was convicted of k murdering um Sydney Prescott's mother in the first one, but now he's free. And he is suspect number one after he follows Sydney to try to get her to help him away from things. I gotta leave Schreeber. Yep. Exactly. Sabertooth. Sabertooth, yeah. Exactly. My dog. But, anyways, um, so Sydney has to go through all of it. We talked about it. Uh, Sydney is actually gets protection from like the FBI, like people, like, like, like the police officers that are with her at all all times, just like ready to go. Um, they get murdered off by by uh by Ghostface. They're wetless. Bro, whatless, fam.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

The library scene, they they put her to corner, they both left her. I said, What are you guys doing? What?

SPEAKER_00 44:25

Like, and it wasn't even like a bro, there was like a whole downstairs staircase, and I was like, bro, what are you guys doing? Um But anyway, Sydney is able to try to maneuver, and then she she has a boyfriend, a new boyfriend, and she obviously thinks it's the boyfriend because that's always the number one thing to think. Um, and her and her she ends up finding out it's not her boyfriend, but actually one of her classmates. And then he has a reveal that he was funded and also helped by no uh no none other than Billy Loomis's mother. Um, and she was the one that funded it and also funded him going to college. Uh her her classmate funded him going to college, but also um also wanted to kill Sidney for killing Billy. Um like Lex Luger is crazy.

SPEAKER_01 45:09

She had the capital to fund uh to fund villains, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 45:12

She had the capital, the fundamental go to school, fund every all the killings, fund the everything. Housing, cars.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

If you want to play the behind the scenes, I'll help you.

SPEAKER_00 45:20

You're that serious, huh? Okay, I guess. Um, but anyways, and then um Cindy was able to survive once again. Um, and yeah, that was the end of Scream 2. I think that movie was sick.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

I love that movie. I had a great time watching that film. It was so funny. It was hilarious. It had me locked in from the start. I said, man, that camera shot of them just, like you said, going into the theater, them talking. Um, and then the funny thing about Jada Pickett Smith, they literally could have left because she said, actually, uh uh Omar said, you know what? All right, when they when they went to the bathroom before you got marked, he's like, you know what, all right, we'll go watch the other movie. We could leave. And she's like, you know what? Fine, we'll do it for you. All right, but when that death scene was hilarious, her climbing to the top, and when everyone realized that she wasn't uh joking around, everyone started having real panic.

SPEAKER_04 46:03

Sandra Bullock is playing right down the street.

SPEAKER_01 46:05

Nobody wanna pay$750 to see some Sandra Bullock shit.

SPEAKER_07 46:09

That she naked.

SPEAKER_04 46:10

Oh, but you will sit through a movie called Stab.

SPEAKER_07 46:16

It's good to be scared, it's plenty, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 46:19

Well, I'm gonna tell you what it is, okay? It's a dumb ass white movie about some dumb ass white girls getting their white asses cut the fuck up, okay?

SPEAKER_01 46:28

Yeah, man, that that that movie was was good, man. Dwayne Martin. I mean that film, but man, I I voice messaged you because when I started watching the film, 10 minutes in, I said, nah nah, hold on. Something feels super intentional right now. Maybe uncomfortable, but comfortable. It was like weird. I was just like, yo, the the flip was crazy. I said in the first film, there was no black characters, which is fine. I didn't like notice it, but I did not notice it. You know what I mean? Like it wasn't like, like you said, when we watch these 80s, 70s, 90s movies, like especially those type of films, small town. Like, I'm not like in Halloween, like, yo, how come there's no black characters in there? Like it wasn't like a noticeable thing. But in this movie, I just said, yo, the black, I had a black counter. I said, nah, this is crazy. And it was like the news reporter, the caravan. It was like every third person, I swear to God, is a black person. In the in the background, in the classroom, there were three black guys, uh, a black woman, like it was just every scene. I mean, I had to look it up to the point where I had to look it up, and then they said, Yeah, the reason why they did that is because the first film there was some critique critics talking about how there was no black representation. The second one, they purposely like, and I'm like, Dan, they must have had like a uh an open casting like outside say, hey, if you're black, you want to be niggas. Niggas. Acting the spirits required.

SPEAKER_00 47:40

Show up, please.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

We need your your mulatto, your chocolate cut, true, extra money if you're black. Which I thought was funny, but outside that, man, I think the film was great, man. I just I really enjoyed it, man. And I think uh, like you said, just the different angles that they had, and you know, the cotton wary and like I think the biggest strain to this film is like you said, you're like, I thought the boyfriend was it again. They're like, oh nah, that's too typical. And I'm like, ah, I thought it was Randy, then Randy got murked.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

Like, then I thought it was Dwayne Martin because like all the camera views, and I'm like, speaking of him, bro, he's like he's one of the only persons started to country off, but he's one of the only persons I seen it online. Somebody was like, he's one of the only persons to survive a horror movie because he said, People died, I'm out. He said, Niggas is dying? He said, niggas is dying. All right, later, guys. Alright, peace up. He gave Cordy the camera. So here he is. He's a camera. He's like, You can record yourself, I'm out of here.

SPEAKER_07 48:32

I read what happened to your last cameraman. The guy got gutted. Now, me, I'ma do what any rational human being would do, which is get the f out of here. First of all, he wasn't gutted. I made that up. His throat was slashed. What do you Gail? Gutted slash the guy ain't in the union no more. This is national television. Think about it. This is a big chance for you. The story is monumental. Don't you want to be a part of that? I want to report the news. I don't want to be the news. Besides, brothers don't last long in situations like this. I need you.

SPEAKER_01 49:04

Niggas is dying around me, I'm out. That's just facts. I like that movie because the set pieces were sick, right? So, I mean, that's one thing we could talk about with Scream. It kind of reminds me of White Lotus, where like it takes place in a different location almost every time. Yeah. Um, so now we're in Ohio, but I like the set piece of the the stage and the theater play. And like Neve using or Sydney Prescott using different ways to try and, you know, she's cutting down the different levers that she could use the environment against uh the shorty. But yeah, man, great film. Uh only critique is uh, you know, this is you know, so in the first film, my my girl Gail Weathers gets gets shanked and she gets a crazy, a crazy scorpion level uh Hayukin Ryu kicked to the chest to the pole outside the house. Uh and then this one, um, she recovers from being stabbed in the first one. This one, she gets shot, fell off the stage. And I don't know if anyone has ever been to a theater, but like that's not like a oh yo, that part is deep.

SPEAKER_00 50:02

That part she fell in. Yo, that part like there, that part that she fell in, bro. There's no way she's getting out of there.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

That's not a two-foot drop, eh? That's a deep drop. And she came back, but I just want to let that point that out because going forward, I'm pretty sure there's that she got shot shots. She's like 50 cents of the Scream Horror franchise, I promise you.

SPEAKER_00 50:19

Family. I feel we're gonna talk about the the twins later on, but they they get shanked so many times in those movies where they're like, yo, not again. Like it's like a joke, it's like a running joke. They're like, yo, please, not again. But nah, I think um uh on the part of like you talked about like kind of just like there being more like black people. Um I didn't really know uh that this one took place in Ohio until uh obviously I just just looked it up just to see what the college name was. Um but what what I told what I told Dwayne, I'm telling the audience, is that why I didn't feel any type of way about there not being any black people in the first one, it was because it was it was California, small town, um in a in an area where it seemed pretty wealthy, suburban, um, and the time that it was was the 90s, you know what I mean? So I was just like, yeah, there's not gonna be a lot of niggas over there. Personally, I didn't think that. I didn't think there was gonna be a lot of black people, and if there was, it's gonna be a token. And there's gonna be like one or two, maybe, maybe. So that's why when I didn't see any in the film, I was just like, I didn't think anything of it. It was just like watching, it's like watching friends, you know what I mean the first time. Like, you know what I mean, the first couple series. Yeah, you're right. I'm not thinking I'm not thinking about that because I'm like, yo, they live a wealthy lifestyle. Um, you know what I mean? And it's just like I don't especially at that time period. I'm not saying obviously black people can be wealthy, but we know back in the day how in those certain areas it wasn't there wasn't a lot of black people in those type of areas. And if there was, it'd be a lot of token. But when you go to college, that's when you start seeing everybody, you start seeing Asian people, Latin American people, uh, Native American people, you're starting to see black people, we start to see every type of different type of people when you go to colleges, universities in America. Um, because that's just like a melting pot for a lot of different people. So that's why when there was a lot more black people, I was like, that makes sense. College town, college town, college students, everything like that, boom, boom, boom. But then until Duane looked it up and saw it, I was like, oh shoot, I didn't know it was intentionally done. I just I just saw it and it made sense to me. So but anyway, that's my that's my comment on that. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:16

Uh Screen 3, man, came out in 2000, directed by Wes Craven again.$40 million budget of the movie. So as the budget continues to grow, um, you know, Worldwide Box up was$161 million, so maybe a little bit less, but still super profitable. And it's essentially after the second wave of murders, Sydney is now removed herself from the public and is living in isolation under a new identity. But when another ghost face killer appears in Hollywood, so this film takes place in literally LA, uh, during production of the movie Stab 3, the investigation reveals that the new murders may be tied to Sydney's past. I mean, no surprise there. Actors portraying Sydney and her and her friends and her friends in the film, uh, within the film begin dying one by one at the studio a lot. Like, this is hilarious. I don't whoever thought this script is like Chef's kiss, I just think it's hilarious. Um, as Gail and Dewey dig deeper into the mystery, so they they hired Dewey as like one of those, like how you know, if we get hired to a basketball set just so we can make sure everything's gone right. They hired Dewey to make sure everything was accurate. So I thought that was hilarious as well. Um, they uncovered, you know, disturbing secrets about Sydney's mother and her connection to the Hollywood system after you know years and years uh of being in Hollywood. We didn't even know that she was an actress, a former actress. Um Sydney is forced to return and confront the past and the killer's identity who slowly comes into focus. And man, I don't know, man. I just thought that was uh I thought it was a good film again. Like I said, but mainly because the storyline was so again Truman showish, where they're actually, you know, like you have the scene at the end where Sydney's in the studio a lot and it's the recreation of her actual house of the first one where things actually happen and people get killed. And I'm just like, man, and so you see how she's you know going through the hallucinations of terror of like seeing Ghostface, and the ghostface is actually there, and then she's able to escape through the window. You know, they pull up on her. It it was it was good, man. I thought it was funny. Um and I think that just like it it really explored the commercialization of tragedy and how Hollywood does that. Yeah, and yeah, and it it literally turns like Wiz Bro into entertainment through the stab franchise, and again, bro, it's like there's all these murder, there's all these murder mysteries you see nowadays, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 54:20

Like we saw with um Jeff Jeffrey Dahmer and see with all these different movies, like I mean different TV shows, like it's this exact same thing. Um yeah, so good point.

SPEAKER_01 54:29

Nah, for sure. And then I I like how it's more of a comedic tone in this one for sure, but at the same time, I think Craven still delivers like a strong suspense sequence, and and I think that's what I was talking about when you think about the the situation with Gail um or or other situations where in the house or trying to escape. But the film also attempts to close Sydney's emotional arc by confronting the mystery, the mystery surrounding her mother, and I think that uh it's one of the most meta entries of the original trilogy because of like it's a fascinating look at how horror franchises become a cultural phenomenon. But I think uh it again, it's one of those like Hollywood movies about Hollywood itself. So, you know, yeah, I like it. It's a movie within a movie, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:09

Movie within a movie kind of thing, yeah. No, I I rocked with it, I rocked with it because like you said, it kind of brought everything to a loop. Um and I felt like when you do that, you kind of t tell a whole story. And I felt like it wasn't that at that point, it's just not a horror film. You know what I mean? It's showing now in sense in sense, like it's showing why everything has happened, it's showing why it's taking place. Um while all this killing is going on, it's but it's also like showing like how Hollywood is, why her mother ended up being the way she was, what she what she why she ended up being that way, and why she started sleeping with different people because of her experience in LA, why she hit she hid that away from everybody. It's not like social media, it's not like social media back in the day where you could you could disappear to a different city and post everything and people will see like, oh, like this is where you are now. Like she disappeared for two years and nobody like nobody knew what she did. And this is the first time that Cindy Prescott was seeing her mom and like seeing that she was in films and doing all these different things and her experience with the bad side of Hollywood, um and why she came back, never talked about it, but then lived a certain life she did when she got back. So that's why I I personally liked it. And then and then I I thought the villain or the killer uh being um her half-brother was perfect. Yes. Um given the story, given the story that he was actually trying to go back to Woodsboro to meet his mom and then come to find out that she didn't want anything to do with him and things like that, like I felt like that would obviously make a good story, that makes sense. And then on top of that, um him being the actual person that killed his mom and um or well at least funded funded again Billy Loomis and Stu to do it and um and stuff like that, like I thought I felt like that was that was impeccable. I honestly I thought it was uh I thought it was really good from their trilogy. Like I would have been fine with that. Like that was cool. Like I thought that was a good way to kind of end it off. But um But yeah, Rock Through that and also one of the only movies that has only one Ghostface killer. Oh yeah. There's not multiple, there's one. So um so yeah. Fast, but yeah, that brother uh reveal was crazy. I loved it a lot. I thought it was cool. That was tough. And then it was cool at the end uh movies, like how he was making a movie, and a part of my movie. I was like, oh, this guy's this guy's a director still.

SPEAKER_01 57:23

There he is. Filmmaker. He needs the Oscar now. Yeah, and I think uh the death scene was one of the best too, where it was like they're never like there's always they always have that last part where they're done.

SPEAKER_00 57:33

MTF the clip is still running. The man's still running, the man's still running.

SPEAKER_07 57:37

I said that Roman?

SPEAKER_01 57:43

It was Roman, this turned into a zombie movie real quick. I loved it, bro. I thought that was kind of cool. Um, and I think the other little interesting nugget about this is that Carrie Fisher made a cameo playing an actress who claims that she lost the role to Princess Leo because someone slept with George Lucas. That is hilarious. I thought it was funny as hell, too. Breaking the fourth wall, like times 20. You know what I mean? So that joke alone tells you how playful the franchise was when it came to the Hollywood culture. But um, man, I think that was a great act. We're gonna get into some more of the other screen films. So act two is coming up. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back. What's going on? We are back. The one with the ghost face. This issue is special because I think it's one of the more entertaining franchises that we've watched. I can't speak for Murp, but myself had a great time watching these films. Yeah, I was entertained for sure. Like, I was laughing, I was scared, I was I was interested, I was intrigued. Like, it just like hit a lot of elements that I think not many horror franchises can hit on a consistent basis for me. And one of those things too is that you think you'd get tired of it too. Like at one point when we started every movie, I'm like, Neve Campbell's in this again, bro. Like, there's no way they could tie in like another layer to the story. And I'm like, you know, even though sometimes it may have felt illogical in certain, or not illogical, but like, you know, kind of unrealistic in certain aspects, it's they still, like you said, did a good job of trying to tie and weave it together, like for the most part. Um, it's it's still more it's easier to follow than the the multiverse, tell you that. Yeah, what was happening with Marvel. But um, who do you think is the best director to direct the best filmmaker to direct the Scream franchise? Because there's a few of them.

SPEAKER_00 59:51

Uh I would have to go West. Um obviously he he directed the first three, um, and that's why the story makes sense. Um and then after that, I would have to give it to um sorry, I had the name right here. Uh I would have to personally give it to um 5 and 6, who was directed by Matt and Tyler. Yeah, the the Yep, two of them. Uh so I would have to give it to them and then and then Kevin Williamson, obviously, I would have to give him the last the last spot. Um just simply because seven wasn't it. Um so that's why, but we'll talk about that obviously later. But it's cool because he wrote wrote the original, right? He wrote the original, so I expected better.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:37

But so the fact that they they said yo, we trusted the direct. I think it's cool. It shows that like just because you could write something that's amazing doesn't mean you could also direct it, and just because you can direct something doesn't mean you could just write it. So it really highlights the collaborative aspect of like filmmaking, but it also highlights those people who are able, like Quentin Tarantino, who do do that at like a high level. They write their own films and direct at a high level. Of course, he has like a miss here and there, like whatever, maybe a scene or two, or some scripts that maybe don't hit as hard as others, but like the fact that he's able to do that, I think just like you said, goes to that level. It's not easy, man. So I give him his props for that for sure. Nah, for sure. But yeah, let's continue, you know. Uh or like I actually hold on, I agree. I think it's Wes Craven by far. Because he understood the balance of horror, you know, satire, suspense, heart, and there's and there's the loop, the loop of like bringing it all to a the loop of bringing it all together. And and I think later directors brought energy for sure. They definitely brought energy. Like I remember specifically you and I, as a matter of fact, we're about to talk about it, but screen four. I we literally I watched it in your house recently when we were uh brainstorming different ideas for our own scripts for our screenplay stuff, and then we just cut it on because we just wanted to take a break. And I remember how this opening scene started off.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:45

But um Oh shoot, I'm tweaking. Uh sorry, he directed the first four, not three. That's that's that's me. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. And and the footing, I take away, yeah, I take away, I take away four, so but I take away four. My fault, my fault, my fault, my fault West, but yeah, we're gonna do it. That one's we can do that. Yeah, but I'm gonna talk about it. I'm gonna talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:03

Um, but I think for him, directing Scream is is like conducting an orchestra. So for him, he's able to find the rhythm, and if it's off, the whole thing collapses. But Craven's really good at keeping the rhythm just kind of at the frequency he wants to keep it at, right? So when it comes to Scream 4, um, man, like it's not it.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:22

Uh it takes place. It it comes it okay. It was released in in 2011. Um yeah, whatever you sigh before you do a review item. So just know, man. I don't underwhelmed. Um just completely and utterly underwhelmed. Um so Scream 7 had a budget of approximately 40 million dollars um and brought in, as you can see, less than 100 million dollars, with only bringing in 97 million dollars worldwide off a 40 million dollar budget, which is obviously the highest that we've seen so far. Um I don't know why it was so much the budget, maybe inflation, maybe just inflation. I don't I actually don't know, but um this one actually takes place ten years after the Woodsboro killings, um the original Woodsbury killings, so so about eight years, no when did the third one take place? No, no, no, in the in the in the universe the actual year. Um I'm trying to I don't remember I don't remember what they said, but anyways, it's it's ten years after the original, so it's eight years after the number two, probably let's just say seven years after number three. Um and it's um Cindy Prescott's actually back in Woodsboro promoting her her book, her self-help book about how she how she's like you know I mean, went through this process and like became a better woman um and was strong and everything like that. Um she reconnects with with Dewey and Gail who are now married and together. Um and she actually reconnects with some of her family members, um her aunt named Kate, and her cousin named Jill. Uh and um Jill doesn't really know her, uh doesn't really know uh Sydney at all. Like she knows her cousin, but she doesn't really know her at all. And then uh Kate is seems like a hater. Um as a man, she's just like, yeah, like I've been through stuff too. I'm like, okay, like alright, you've been stabbed 300 times? I I guess for sure, whatever. Um But anyways, but anyways, after uh Sydney's in town, she obviously receives a call, um, and uh the killings around town start once again. Um uh and the beginning, I think it's the beginning of this one. The beginning of this one's kind of like a meta, a meta, meta. Like you don't know which one's the beginning of the film because you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:48

It's kind of like a watching a movie and watching a movie and watching a movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:51

Yeah, exactly. And there's a bunch of cameos um from different uh cameos, the different actors. Um and then uh a girl gets killed, uh she's playing around, she gets killed, another one gets killed, so obviously the killings start again when Sydney's in town. Um the kids still around town always talk about ghostface, still wear ghost face masks, they put ghost face up on the light, lights and everything like that. Dewey is the sheriff now, so he's trying to take care of everything. Um but then after the ghost face killer killings happen again. Um But this time, this time, it's more modern version of the killings. Yeah. Because now there's internet, uh, there's now there was this kid was streaming before streaming. Uh remember the kid that was going around with the he was like the newscaster, he was streaming before, and he even said in the movies like yo, this is gonna be a big thing later on in life. And I'm like, yo, that's actually crazy for time.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:43

The man actually predicted influence your culture.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:45

Bro, he he predicted it in 2011 and said, Yo, this is gonna be the next big thing when people like just like record everything they do. I'm like, No, I didn't even think about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:53

I was like, damn. The part where Gil Weather's character said, Yo, can you you know, this is off the record, and he said, I can't. My my lot my fans are gonna want it. I'm like, yo, that's

SPEAKER_00 1:06:01

Oh, that's how people move. So I was like, oh, that's crazy, actually.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:04

Are you recording with that thing? Mind turning it off for a little old school off. Turn the fucking thing off.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:15

I can't, bro. Exactly, exactly, exactly. So now this one's a little different because now we're with teenagers that are in a different world. And obviously, stab the stab movies have all come out. Um there's a bunch of different stab movies, so now they have a stab marathon where they go to this place where there's like no cell research uh cell service and in some barn, and they have like a stab marathon, um, kind of thing. And obviously that's an invitation for Ghostface to come. He stabs up Gail, almost murks her. She has to go or whatever to the hospital. Um, and then a bunch of uh Jill's friends start getting killed off. Um, Ghostface starts just murdering a bunch of kids. Um Cindy's just confused because she's like, bro, I'm here for a book. The killer's like, Yo, I'm gonna dead off everybody, bro. Everybody's getting murked. Like, there's not one single person that's that's staying alive outside of the main cast, whatever. Um, but then come to find out at the end, uh, the killer was actually the weird kid who was friends with the streamer guy who was in the book club, and also Jill, who is Sydney's cousin, and she's just like, yo, like do you see what happens now when you're traumatized and you can live off like the story that you had? Like, I can just make I don't have to go to college, I can just make so much money off of this, this, and that. And I was like, damn, this is another foretelling. I was like, damn, this is another uh um uh kind of thing, so foreshadowing. So so uh it was just very interesting because now instead of it being I mean, it was uh another one of Sydney's cousins, I mean uh family member, sorry, not a cousin, but family member, it was actually her cousin who was just like, Yeah, like I don't really want to kill you for any other reason than just being famous for myself so that I can be famous and and and make money and do everything like that. Even trying to kill Sydney herself, um killed her partner in crime, set up an entire scene, actually messed herself up, ran into the wall, ran into the table, shot uh stabbed herself, um, and and did everything she could so that she can have her own story, so she become famous. And I was like, damn, this is crazy. The dedication of some people the dedication of this guy, but it did also I was thinking like, damn, this movie came out in 2011, dog. Like, this was like like bro, like you know the the world we live in now, like that is like that's like regular. People try to do it all the time, you know what I mean? Like everybody tries to record everything, tries to become famous off of a a little story or a little thing that happened to them, and I'm like, damn. So, anyways, that was the end of that one. The movie was dog shit, respectfully. Um but uh excuse my excuse my French, but but realistically though, um I thought it was a cool way to bring in the modern version of Scream, but I also didn't think that it was it was a cohesive I don't think it was a cohesive proper story, like it wasn't like a good one to me personally. Um so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:05

Yeah, I definitely thought it was a let down. I didn't like it. You could definitely feel uh kind of a a change. I don't know if Wes Craven maybe had his around that time had his eyes on other things, more important things, or but you could definitely tell like it this wasn't like the the priority for him anymore. You know what I'm saying? Like, and um maybe there was other studio or creators or people that had their hand in this process when it came to like creating this dish. You know what I mean? Like you're creating a an iconic cuisine and you have a lot of people in the kitchen. I think some things just don't, you know, piece together properly, like you said, so it kind of felt incoherent. Yeah, but the best thing about the film is that it asked a brutal question, like what if someone kills for fame? And I think you touched on all the great points about that, Murph. That's literally our life now. People are doing wild things on social media. Like I never thought I'd see the day where people, you know, were accidentally shooting themselves on Instagram Live or or you know what I'm saying on Facebook Live, we see certain things happen, whether it's an accident or not. It's just like you guys are recording these things happening, is it's insane. And then, like you said, there's people who will will say things, do things just for clout. You know what I'm saying? Like the Jesse Smolet guy, I don't want to like put you know him on the blast.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:09

No, no, no, put him on blast, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:11

That's what you know, similar to him. Like he he made himself seem like he got jumped and beat up for you know the homophobic remarks towards him and stuff like that. And then we find out that's that's it's not a big thing. It was all made up. It's all made up. So this movie definitely was a precursor for that for sure. Um, if we move on to the next one, Scream 5 came out in 2022, directed by like Merv said, the the two the two guys that he worked in collaboration. So Matt uh Bettinelli, Oakland, and Tyler Gillette. And it was budgeted at$24 million. So I'm guessing because of the you know the recent landslide or the the decline in the box office, that they probably weren't able to get the same budget. But also it's 2022, so it's just post-COVID. So I know that's also a big factor as well with the movie industry and how things are operating, even to this day, still trying to recover. But um budgeted at 24 million, made$137 million worldwide box office. That's actually pretty good again, especially after a post-COVID, 2020 era type of thing where the industry was definitely took a hit. But the brief synopsis is as such. The film returns to Woodboro is 25 years later of the original murders, and a new Ghostface killer begins targeting a group of teenagers connected to the past, starting with Tara Carpenter, who survives a brutal attack in her home. And that's one thing about these Screaming franchises that there's always a crazy opening, so always an opening kill that like sets a tone for the movie. But her estranged older sister, Sam Carpenter, returns to the town to protect her. As the attacks escalate, it becomes clear that the killer is targeting people connected to the legacy of the original Woodsboro killers. Sam and Tara reunite with survivors from the earlier films, including Sidney Prescott, Gail Weathers, and Dewey Riley. Uh, and this is where the investigation slowly reveals that the new generation of victims all have ties to the past killings, and that someone obsessed with the stab movies may now be recreating the original horror. So I think one of the endings or one of the twists was that the killers revealed to be Richie, uh, which is Sam's boyfriend, or who's Sam's boyfriend, and Amber Freeman, which is one of his terrorist friends, which is crazy because she faked her death prior to that, and she did that because she wanted to shift the blame or the accusation of her being suspicious of being Ghostface. And their motive uh is definitely completely meta. Um, they're toxic fans of the stab franchise who believe the series lost its edge, and their plan is to create a real-life massacre that will inspire Hollywood to make a better Stab movie, so a crazy motivation for what they were doing. Yeah, like doesn't really make sense, but but does make sense, like I talked about earlier, with it comes to like the inconsistencies of like how illogical some of this is. But then there are some wild people in this world, so it's like I don't know, man. It's like it's kind of real. But in the final act, Dewey Riley is killed while trying to stop ghost facing the hospital, which I think becomes one of the more shocking deaths in the franchise because this was finally where it's like it's finally where it's like, all right, this is where I killed her main nigga. Yeah, yeah. Because like we talked about Gail stab, shout out, but we're like, we know she's she has plot armor for sure for some reason. Um, but during the climax uh at Stu Marker's old house, Sam embraces the violent instincts where she's inherited from her father, Billy Loomis, and the brutal kills of Richie. And Amber is killed by Gail and Sidney during the final showdown now. So for me, uh, I was very confused at first about the connection. I was like, how did Billy Loomis like I swear to God, when I watched the first one, the man was like in high school. So I said, How whether this man have a kid? Um, how is he able to have Sam? But then nobody talked about it. Yeah, no one talked about it, but they explained it and they said that he had an affair with her mother uh back in the day. So man was hitting Nose and or hitting Cougars when he was in high school. So um stepping out on Sydney back in the day was just crazy because he used to pressure her for uh to lose her virginity, but the man was making kids.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:48

Okay, no and an answer for you, not me. That was easy.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:53

Oh god, oh god, but um I think the the movie was a little bit clever in the fact that it was a reboot disguised as a sequel, so there was a an introduction to a whole new floration of characters. Um the film introduced the concept of a requel, which is a movie that continues the franchise while rebooting it with new generation of characters, and I think that uh directors kind of kept like a sharp tone and they kind of respected Wes Craven's style while modernizing it, and the deviance and the pacing is more of like what we're you know accustomed to seeing in movies now. Um, but like you said, I think the biggest emotional thing was Dewey's death.

unknown 1:14:31

The head.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:32

What? You have to shoot them in the head. They always come back.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:35

Dewey! Who gives a fuck?

SPEAKER_05 1:14:38

I do.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:48

Other than that, man, I don't think it was anything special. Again, I don't, you know, I'm I don't I think this one may be better than four for me, but at the same time, it's still forgettable. It's not it's not one I would return to. It's not one I would fire up. If I want to watch a scary movie at night, I'm not gonna be like, well, let's turn on screen five. So for me, ultimately it was a thumbs down, but um I still think there were some highlights to the film.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:08

Nah, I thought it was I thought it was a um I thought it was decent. I definitely thought it was decent. I I didn't think it was, I don't I don't I'm gonna give it a full thumbs down. Um maybe like halfway. I thought it was like a cool, like a cool little reboot. Um I gave it the the the the halfway thumb from uh gladiator. Uh but I give it a uh a halfway uh I'll give it a cool because it's like a halfway reboot. Um and why I would say I like it is because it set up the next one, which I actually really like. The next one's actually what I actually really really like. So that's why I don't mind uh this one because it set up the new age of of um of characters in Scream, but also like a story, you know what I mean? So I think it was pretty cool. Yeah. Alright, well it's might as well talk about how it's a perfect transition in Scream 6. Yeah, Scream 6 Um came out in 2023. The budget was sorry,$35 million,$30 to$35 million. Um, and they grossed in over$170 million worldwide. So obviously a success uh for the most part. This one also uh still follows um it still follows uh Sam and her sister Tara as they move to or they move to New York as they try to I mean live a new life in New York. Uh Sam followed uh Tara so that she can go to college and uh the twins end up following them as well, um Mindy and Chad. They also follow them to New York so that they could go to college and just look out for each other and just be like uh you know I mean the family. Um and in this one, man, uh this one gets a little it starts off wild, man. Yeah. It starts off wild. So the first one it starts off as a lady waiting for a date. Um as she is she tries to meet her date outside, he like corners her in the alley, kills her, and then takes off his his mask, takes off his clothes, and like packs it and then just walks away. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what is this? Like I've never seen it start off like this where like we see who the killer is right away. Um so I was like, that's never a good sign. Um for that for that guy. Um but anyways, as he's walking through campus, like walking back to his house, he sees Tara, Carpenter, and is like, yeah, like what's up? Like, how you doing? Like, hopefully we get to like I come to the party later and all. So just talking regular, bro, psychopath, obviously. Um, and then he gets back to the house, and then he's meeting up with his roommate who who usually they they they're the ones that like the killings, like they love that. So they were actually planning on gonna do a whole killing and everything like that. But come to find out the real ghost face or whoever the ghost face of this movie is comes through and kill murks this man and is just like, bro, do you feel like this is fun? Do you feel like this is great? Do you feel like this is a good time type thing? And just like, you know what I mean? Merks him. So then we're like, okay, so now who's the real killer? Um this one, man, is a twist and a turn of the movie, dog. Um because after this, uh uh what's her name again? Sam gets a call. Sam gets a call because she's supposed to go down to the precinct because they find her ID uh with the dead with the killer. I mean with the yeah, well the killer, but um and then they get chased into uh into a res like a corner store. It's all starts off, by the way. I just want to point this out. It starts off. She gets they get they uh her and uh Sam and Tara get chased into the corner store by Ghostface, and he's just like I'm not hiding, I'm coming after you guys right now. And I was like, holy, off rip, okay, let's get it. Um they go into the grocery store, I mean the corner store, and they're like, yo, killer's after me. And usually in those situations, like you know I mean, the killer disappears and they look like crazy people. Nah, this Ghostface man ran in there too and said, Yeah, I'm on it. And the man said, and the man said, one of the managers was like, Yo, leave him alone. The man got stabbed up in his face. And I was like, Oh yeah, he's he's locked in. And then the next man came with the shoddy, the owner came with the shoddy, started shooting at him. The man somehow, I forget how he took the gun from him, got the gun, shot the man in his face. Yeah, I was like, uh yeah, it's up. Um, but anyways, man, like uh it follows them as they try to navigate and figure out who the killer is. Sam's not trusting of anybody, obviously, as her boyfriend was the last killer. Um Mindy and Chad are not trusting of Mindy's not trusting of her own girlfriend. Uh Chad is not trusting of his own roommate, like nobody's trusting of anybody because everybody's just like, yo, like it might be you, it might be you, it might be you. Um and then come to find out, bro. Uh they they go through this entire thing, they they try to like lure ghost face. And this was, I'm not gonna lie, how they did this, how they did this, not the reveal, but the killings when they're at when they're at like the theater, because there was like a little shrine of all the screen movies and or stab movies, obviously, but screen movies and all everything like that. Um when when Chad like dummied one of them, and then the next one came through and wiped the blade, and like I was like, Oh yo, I'm not gonna lie, that that right there, chef's kiss. Yes, I was like, yo, how because they did it in tandem, bro. Like they were like, yo, it was it was two killers that were just like, yeah, we're ready still. And just like came through and we're just like, I was like, I don't know if you played the game um uh Mortal Kombat, and you know how you can play as Scream, you can play as Ghostface in the new one. Of course, and that that's us that's something that happens, like Ghostface comes and stabs you up, and then the next one comes and stabs you from the back. Bro, it's like it's like that, and I didn't know where that came from because I hadn't seen the new ones yet. Um because usually it's separate, you never see both ghost faces together, it's always separate. Um and they came through together, and I was like, ah, this is goaded. But it ended up being um Tara's uh roommate who was her friend, um, and also Chad's roommate who was also their friend, and it ended up being the police officer, the main police officer that got on the case, and he and it was hit um those two people were his kids. Kids, yep. And you know who else was his kid? Was the killer of the last one? The killer of the last one, yeah. He wanted to get back. And he wanted to get the first one. He wanted to get back at Sam because she killed him. And I was just like, wow, chef's kiss of a family, family of killers. Um great film. I thought it was, I thought, I thought it was really good. I thought it was outside of the the the first three. I was like honestly, one of the best. Your Richie's family.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:46

Yeah. You had to be punished, along with anyone else who stands in our way.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:04

Um, with the modern and everything like that, uh Gail, uh Gail almost dies again, but she has plot armor, so she doesn't. Um But a random nigga that she's with, uh some of the the black guy she's with randomly gets killed off, and I was like, okay, it makes sense. Get back to our roots. Kill off the black guy, yeah. Okay, of course. Man didn't say one word. I don't even think he said a word. The man got dashed through, dead. I was like, all right, okay, nice, nice, nice. We just want to show she's in an interrential interracial relationship with that man. Kill him off. Uh, nice. Uh about the hit the quotas. Uh we got diversity in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's dead, but yeah, he's there. Um, anyways, uh, but yeah, so that's how the movie ended off. Sam, Sam and uh Tara were able to Sam was really able to tap tap into her Billy Loomis bag. Yeah, she was and and kill off um and killed him off. And honestly, I thought that she was gonna turn into Ghostface next because she kept looking at the mask, kept looking at the knife, like it's like calling to her.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:03

And stuff, but uh that's how the movie ended up.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:05

And even how she um executed the killing, like it just like you said, like was just reminiscent of you could tell uh she had that that it's like when I see Kaiyan Anthony do certain moves, I'm like, oh, you got that mellow in you. Yeah, exactly. You know, so exactly I thought it was a cool film, especially. I think it's one of the better ones, like you said, outside of the first three, especially because it takes place in New York. So just moving the franchise to New York was a brilliant move. Um the subway sequences, the crowded streets. I love that that it made it feel like the public spaces were so dangerous. And like you said, that's how it felt in like those Halloween movies, um, where it's like, yeah, you could be going for a walk from school to home, but like this could also be a dangerous scenario in a sense. Yeah. Something that feels so familiar and safe could also turn into something aggressive. So, man, that's that's that's great. We're about to get into the last and final film, but before we do that, we're gonna take one last media time out before we get back into act three of issue 70, the one with the ghost face. Your what's going on? We are back. Issue 70, the one with the ghost face. We're talking about the scream franchise. It's been a leap running down these films, going through the good, the bad, the in-between, and we'll probably rank the films after this, but let's just talk about Scream 7. It came out in 2026, so recently, um, a couple months ago. Director was Kevin Williamson. So we talk about a little tidbit about the fact that he was the original Scream writer for the original Scream movie and got his opportunity, you know. He got his opportunity to be a player and now be a coach. And um we'll talk about whether that was effective or not in the in the interim. But it was budgeted at$30 to$35 million, the reported range, and it made it's still going, actually, by the way, but it's over$160 million in counting right now. So safe to say that there's gonna be a Scream 8. I mean, I I doubt I doubt that there wouldn't be, um, especially now how I think I just saw this study about I think in 2026 there's like 29 sequel movies that are coming out this year, something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:14

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I say, yeah. It's either you sent that to me or I sent that to you.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:17

It's either one, but yeah. Well, and I'm just like, I could just see them being like, this is why we lean into familiar IP and legacy sequels, blah, blah, blah. And this is not even a legacy sequel. This is just like, this has been doing sequels on itself over and over again. Facts. Um, another tidbit too, I forgot to mention was I don't know if people know this or knew this out there, but you know, David Arquette uh or uh was married to Courtney Cox. So it's kind of crazy how their characters got married, Dewey and Gail got married, and then they got divorced from one of the screen films, and they also got divorced in 2015 in real life. So it was kind of cool that they're able to be adults about it and still be in the film and kind of play off that like realness and reality of them being divorced in real life, um, because they still share the scenes together. So I thought that was pretty cool. But um, when it comes to the synopsis of Scream 7, the story follows the aftermath of the New York Killings from the previous film. Sydney Prescott is pulled back into the chaos where she notices another gaze, another ghost face uh killer that emerges uh with a new agenda that's tied to the history of the Woodsboro Murray. Again, like these guys are like, can't leave home, can't leave Woodsboro alone, bro. Um these this time the killings uh appear to be more calculated and personal, and the killer is not just recreating the past crimes, but studying the psychological aspects of the survivors themselves. I think Sydney um must again must once again kind of confront the legacy of Ghostface. And while she's protecting the next generation of survivors, she's kind of like inherited different trauma. And we spoke about the traumatic aspects of like her mother dying and then finding out the real reason behind how her mother became who she became. And then all the people that have done it wrong and betrayed her, whether it was her ex-boyfriend, whether it was a friend, um, whether we see you know her best friend Tatum dying in the first one, like she's just endured so much pain. Um, she had to murk her own brother that she found out that was her brother after like not even 30 minutes. Yeah, like she probably was happy for a second, which which actually she was, because remember, she held his hand at the end while she was dying on some Robert De Niro uh Al Pacino heat stuff where she like like held his hand like while he like took his final breath. So I felt like in that moment she was like, yo, I have a sibling, that's tough, but like you have to die stuff. You killed your death. Um but as the investigation unfolds, it becomes clear that the killer is deeply connected to the history of the murders um for the past years and they've been studying those events. And I think the end of this movie and the twist of this film reveals that the killer is someone who's been obsessed with mythology of the ghost faced murders and believes the story of Sidney Prescott has been misunderstood. Um the motive kind of revolves around them reclaiming the narrative and exposing the dark truth behind the legacy of the Woodsboro survivors, and the final confrontation forces Sidney to once again face the psychological toll of surviving multiple massacres and in. In the end, Sydney survives and she reclaims the control of her own story, and it closed another chapter of this long ghost face saga. But it really made Scream feel, I guess, you know, interesting because you know it felt like a full-size, full circle franchise moment that we always talk about because again, Kevin Williamson directing it, um, it's like the creator coming back to his own like thing. And it leans more into the psychological tension, more though, than it does the pure satire that we're used to. And that's why I think uh we could get into it now. But when I messaged you after, I was like, it's not the same, bro. Like, and then you said, like, yeah, they're all meta, but I was like, this one was like not meta enough. Like that's it, it was like it was too much like trauma. It was I mean, of course, I love like the emotion behind it, and of course, a per a person like her would experience something like that, but I felt like it was like not, it doesn't match the tones of the other movies, like any of them at all. Um, it was really focused on her pain and stuff. It wasn't as funny as we're usually used to. I feel like even the return of like Stu Macker in the video with the AI concept and the D-fakes was cool because like we obviously experienced that now with AI. Uh so it was cool to kind of be relevant in that aspect when you speak about the other movies and how they foreshadow certain things. Um, but overall, man, I just felt like again, I it I'll say this some of the kills were fun, so I went there like okay, having fun with the with the with the kills, especially Merv, the opening sequence that was different, you know, it was alternate. This time it reminded me of like because we've I don't know if you've done this before, but I've done the escape rooms, for example. Because of reasons just like this. Or I don't know. Remember when um Friends, you know, TV show Friends, one of our favorite shows ever, Friends has an expedition that they do like once a year, whether it's in New York or in Toronto at the at York, though. And I went to one of those Friends expeditions before, and to me, it reminded me of that of like if you walk into an apartment or like a set of like how a show was made, and that's what they were doing, right? As fans, they're going to a BNB and they're visiting the BMB of like, oh, it's the original house where oh it's the TV. Yeah, and she was like, Alright, we get it, you're a super fan. And and I thought that was a great setup, especially when they had the fake uh uh scream on the side. I thought that was a good setup, but then from there it kind of went downhill.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:10

Scott, why are you calling me? It's not Scott, you're going to die tonight. The scary voice thing is a little bit sexy, but you could work on it.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:36

But it was just tough. Like, even that one kill at the end where uh Scream puts the guy's head onto the lever for the for the beer in the bar. I was like, that was cool, but I'm like, that's not like what I go to Scream movies for. Like Scream usually be killing man's quick, no slice and dicing. Like that was.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:52

Yeah, like it became like more like gruesome, like for some reason. But like not, you know, we're used to gruesome where it's like he like stabs up somebody's guts and then their guts come out. You know what I mean? But not like somewhere you like you.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:03

I'm like, he didn't even use a knife. His main thing is the knife. Like that, I mean, uh he uses a he uses like a gun every now and then, but like his main thing is the knife. And then in this film, he was using other ways to kill people. I didn't I didn't really rock with it, I'm not gonna lie, but I guess beggars can't be choosers. But um, I do still think some of the scenes were like were fine, but again, this was one of the movies where I was like, yo, how how is a black girl so alive? I th I uh the first time I thought she got stabbed up and then she got murked crazy with the glass pieces of glass. But there was a whole bunch of people that got the the husband, Neam's husband, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:34

There's no way he survived that. There's no way he survived that. He was wrapped up in bubble tape, and I was wrapped up choking, and then I was sing, sing, sing, sing, sing, sing, sing, sing, sing, sing, sing. And I was like, all right, bro, there's no way this man's alive. And at the end, he's just miraculously alive, and it's been day, it's been what a day? Yeah, so you've been bleeding out for a day in your life. All right. Bleeding out for a day, bro. Um, Gail Weather. But the way they killed her at the end, the way they killed the the main uh killer at the end? Yeah. They shot her a hundred times in her face. I was like, ah, okay, this is yeah, we're getting we're losing the plot here, guys. They let go of the clip, the entire clip on her bro. They literally shot her in her face. Or her face came off.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:13

But that's what I'm saying. Like, I felt like this felt more final destination-ish. You know what I mean? Like they're leaning more into that. Uh, the the how I or or what's it? Uh what's that the summer one that they rebooted this recently to? I know I know what you did last summer. I know what you did last summer. Like, it felt like it was going into that aspect and it went away from what they're known for. Um, so I walked out again, happy with some of the killings, but ultimately disappointed with the story. And and even I don't even want to take it this far, Merv, but I'm gonna keep it 100 and call a spade a spade. But I felt like Neve Campbell packed it in, bro. I don't know if she's just like older and I just gotta check, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:48

She gotta check, she gotta check.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:49

But she was and I'm not gonna sit here and say she's like Julia Roberts of our time. You know, she's not like the greatest actress, but in the first three, four, or five, even some of the other films, she had more energy. Like in this last film, she was so deadpan and monotone. It reminded me of um who's that actress that I don't really like. Uh I like Deep Campbell, but who's the one that um like Megan Fox a little bit, where it's just like the same register? Is it Megan Fox? No, or Blake Lively. One of them recently I've been doing like movies where it's it's just like very like, yeah, they're stuck in this one note. And I'm like, as a per maybe that works for that character because she's seen so much that she's numb to it, but it just felt like yo, your daughter is in a situation where she's about to get murked, and you're just like, yo, yeah, just make sure the safety's off. Like she was just like so unemotionally invested. Um, it felt like I don't know. So I think it's similar to what you said, because I did do some research and I saw how she felt like she's the main focal point of the franchise, and she also didn't almost return to one of the movies because she felt like she wasn't being paid sufficiently enough for like a lot of people. Bro, she wasn't in six, right? Exactly. So um, with that being said, I think that like you said, she collected a check and just proved the point this time, but that also took me out of the performance a little bit as well, especially when you contrast her performance with one of the mother that was uh I forgot her name because she's in a lot of stuff and she's funny too. But the mother that ended up being the killer, she was so quirky and like different, and it just didn't it just didn't match together. I I don't know. I didn't really it just maybe that's what the problem was.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:22

I I wasn't sure what the problem was. I was trying to figure it out.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:25

Um I think like when you when we especially when you like you said, I watched that and then when we decided we're gonna do this episode and went back to one, it's like such a dramatic change that it's so it just like turned me off. I was like, yo, how do they fall like how'd they come so far? Like fall, like how they fall off like this. Crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:40

Yeah, no, I I agree with that, man. I think it was just a big time letdown. Um, like you said, some of the killings were trash, but just like the energy of it, like like the the the daughter, her vo her voice was so monotone and so like, yeah, like why why don't you let me help, mom? And like, okay, like, alright, you know what I mean? And I was like, alright, bet. I did like I did like the part where she had an escape room. Uh Neve Campbell had an escape room, yes, yes, where she was leaving, and then he started stabbing through the wall. Like, I was alright with that. Like, that was a cool little scene. That was a cool little scene. Um, but even bro, uh, that was the father who was a sheriff. I can't take him serious because I know he's a jokester, fam. Like, he's a funny guy. He's a funny guy to me. So and I couldn't take him serious in that. I just kept like thinking, like, yo, it's just like Anthony Edward Anderson when he was in the films and the thing. And he was just talking crazy. I was like, yeah, fam, you're gonna die still. Um, but no, I agree still. I definitely agree.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:36

Yeah, I think uh, I mean, again, it's making money, so um, we'll see what happens. But this is like one of that weird example where it's like, is it making money because of Scream, the name that it carries, or is it making money because it's actually, you know, people think it's good. I don't know. I haven't heard nobody say, like, yo, Scream 7 is elite. So I think it's just, you know, making money based off the fact that it's Scream. But when it comes to the franchise, what are the best kills in this franchise? Because I think I have like a top five or like a few that I can run through off the top of my head. I think we already mentioned the theater one. I think that that opening in Scream 2 is immaculate, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:09

One of the ones, one of the one of the ones, sorry, sorry to cut you. One of the ones, uh one of the ones that are iconic and actually scared me uh till this day was the garage one. The garage one, the garage door one, that one there is that one's iconic to me. Cause that one scared me as a youth. Because then I was like, yo, fam, I was so scared of I would never ever try to like go through like if there was like a doggy door, I'd never I'd never play around with that. I'd never do any of that stuff. I would just be like, yeah, I'm gonna just go around stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:01

It's crazy you brought that one up because when I watched that scene, I was like, yo, do people still have dog doors or dogs or doors for their cats anymore? Or is that like a thing? I have no idea. I don't know. I was like, yo, she tried to crawl through, couldn't call through, bro. He let that jog, he watched her go uh go all the way to the top. I think what made that scene elite was that she thought it was like uh her man's and alright, stop playing. Not gonna let me pass, and the man wasn't talking. I said, nah, you have to you have to know some things up there.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:30

Bro, there was actually there was actually a part I I wrote down in my notes, I was like, there was actually a part where there was some continue uh continuity issue like with the filming. They like skipped apart. Like she was just standing there at the door, and then all of a sudden she was running to the to the thing, and I was like, bro, what happened? Bro, I I watched it, I rewinded it, I was like, maybe I missed something.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:50

Maybe it's me, maybe I'm the problem.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:51

Maybe it's just me, I maybe I'm the problem. And I watched it again, I was like, holy. But it was older films, you know, the 90 films, so they could do that. Where they're gonna have a problem. Yeah, no one's gonna rewind that. But uh, but no, I think that I think that uh I think that one, I think that one is is is probably number one for me. Um and then I'm gonna go uh where'd I go Drew?

SPEAKER_01 1:38:15

Yeah, Drew Barrymore has to be up there, bro. That has to be up there. The popcorn, the hurt, you know, and you know what makes it elite, bro? It's the it's the fact that it set the tone for the franchise. So again, we have to look at it from the mindset of like we haven't seen all these other kills before. That was the first one. Come on, man. That was that was and the fact that her parents came home at the same time, and then their mom's like, oh, I can hear her on the phone, and then it's just like she's dangling with the cordless phone, and their vocal cords are strangled because he Ghostface also, like, bro, if he's running out of pivots, his step-through move is a choke. It's a go to the wheel. Oh, he will choke the children.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:51

It's a go-to, it's a go to, it's a go to go to crush your vocal cords, it's a go-toke. It's a go-toke. I was like slashing your throat. Yeah, he's gonna choke you out.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:59

So he's gonna change you. So I thought it's cool. Even the slow mode of her running and him catching up to her and like stabbing her like three times. I thought I was.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:07

I couldn't take that seriously more because that was a scary movie when he stabbed me what's the name of the dead. I just couldn't take it seriously. I started laughing immediately. I was like, oh, so we're talking about taking seriously. I was like, actually she's died. I was like, oh shoot, I actually dead.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:19

I could I can't even look at Dewey the same, bro, because they did Dewey till Dirty is I forgot about that. I said Lord forgive me. I said, Lord forgive me, because it was crazy because we watched the original and I was like, we're watching the original and Dewey was in the original. I was like, yo, I thought in Scary Movie they made him like appear a certain way, and I was like, why'd they do that? And then in two or three, when he explains like because he got stabbed, it severed a nerve. So it was.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:48

Because they tried to do the uh they did the the unusual the usual suspects thing where he was like, remember in Scary Movie, and then he was like cool and stuff, whatever, and he was like smoking, and then what's her name? Went the it went into the street.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:59

So when they did that, I said, nah, nah, they gotta be stopped. He's gotta be stopped for that one. So Dewey was like, rewatching that, I was like, nah, they did him dirty, they did him dirty still.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:09

I think uh I think uh another one I would say outside that outside of the garage from Drew Barrymore, I would say the um oh that new one. That new one where she the girls on the ladder trying to go across to the house across. Oh and instead of this man, instead of this man, you know, just pushing, bro, all he has to do is push the ladder and she'll fall, right? This man says, jump. Jump. I was like, yo, this guy says Dog, I was dying. I was like, yo, this guy's actually serious. Bro, he's literally no, he all he had to do was push the ladder out and she would have fell. But he's like, nah, let's play a game, please. And he started throwing, like, throwing the ladder up and down. I said, Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:49

Is this the same one where um she was hanging or she was hanging on the chandelier and then Ghostface turned over with the knife and and she landed.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:56

Oh, no, that was uh that was the last one. I think that was seven. I think that was seven. That was tough. And then he turned over the knife and just looked at it. Put the knife off. I said, Oh yeah, you're sick of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:07

Yo, he took all her dead weight for the knife.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:09

I'm saying, uh, you didn't have to do no work. Nah, the one where he killed um, I always forget her name, but I call it Buffy. Buffy the vampire said. Remember what's her name? Yeah, remember, remember he stabbed her and then he just threw off the threw off the roof? Oh yes. Oh yeah, you're sick, still. He just stabbed her one time and said, All right, get Brees. I just threw off the roof. He chucked there, he chucked there still. Now there's quite a few still. The guy in the news van didn't deserve that, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:31

I ain't gonna lie. Bro, fam. Matt said there's a delay. I said, Oh, no, that was a really good scene, too, with the delay. Because when you rewatch it, you're like, like that's gonna come into play later, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:44

That's yeah, you knew you knew what is that called again? The the thing gun?

SPEAKER_01 1:41:47

The Chavezki's gun or whatever it's called. That was that was big time for sure. I like that. Man, I think we we mentioned pretty much all the kills. I think I think one of the ones I like too, like I said, is um uh the the confrontation with her brother, man. That was like a cool final fight scene for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:03

Yeah, I think that one, yeah, for sure. I think that one's a good a good death. Um I think that one's also cool too. The the one in that one was when uh Shorty was trying to bang on the double-sided mirror. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:15

I was gonna bring that up because you mentioned the uh the stabbing. So the sh the shooting one was tough too, because like Douy's like, you hear that, you hear that, and he's like shooting all the glasses. I'm like, yo, you didn't you know F around shoot her again?

SPEAKER_00 1:42:26

That's what I thought, yeah. I was like, yo, it's not gonna dead her. I didn't remember what happened. I was like, oh, he's about to kill her.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:30

Yeah. So man, such such iconic scenes. But that that reminds me, we're gonna talk about like we always do when we review franchises and movies, who's the MVP of the franchise, the sixth man, the best cameo. But before we do that, I mean, probably if you know Wes Craven for me is the MVP, but if if not, Sydney Prescott is definitely one of the MVPs, and if she's not your MVP, do you think that Scream needs Sydney Prescott to be a successful franchise? Now I mean overall, I mean just going forward now. Do you think it's time to put her story to rest, or do you think that that Scream wouldn't sell if she's not in it?

SPEAKER_00 1:42:59

I mean she wasn't in Six, and Six was one of the better ones. Um I'm not gonna say we need her. I think her reference obviously is needed, always just like because she's the obviously the one that started everything. Um but I think like honestly, I would say like if anybody needs to stay, I would say Gail, bro. Okay. I like that. I'll say I'll say Gail, uh Courtney Cox. Um, I would say she needs to stay. Um but outside of that, yeah, I yeah, Neve Campbell, like I would love to obviously see her, but I just feel like what it's the same thing. Like when she's in it, it's the same thing. It's the same thing every single time. With Gail, like Gail's just reporting on it. So she's not really being a she just shows up and just like reports on the the kid. But every time uh Neve Campbell, it's like it's happening to her, kind of, or because of her, or something like that, except for five where she actually just was helping um Sam because her dad was uh Billy, uh kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:58

And I think they closed the the chapter, at least tied a lot of loose ends when it comes to like family members, what happened to Sydney's mom, like certain things. So like I agree. I don't think there's too much to unpack there anymore, and if they do, it's like forcing it. Yeah, um I would have said do it if they didn't murder him, but yeah, he's gone still. So nah facts. But she's definitely the emotional anchor for sure. I think without her, those movies don't really become a clever slasher film, they just become like a regular slasher film. But her story has definitely become the story about survival across different generations and like how it now has transferred to her daughter. It's gonna be interesting to see what they do for you know Scream 8. Um excited to see if that continues. But like Murray said at the beginning of the episode, I ain't gonna lie, if they stopped at three, I would have been happy and it would have been probably one of the best trilogies of all time. Yeah, but instead, we're talking about it being one of the best franchises for all time. So who do you have as a sixth man? Would you say Gail Withers is the sixth man?

SPEAKER_00 1:44:51

I mean, just because of just because of her consistency. Um I would have honestly given it to Randy if he if he lasted longer.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:00

Randy was tough because if Randy was able to explain the he worked at Blockbuster, he knew movies.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:05

There are certain rules that one must abide by in order to successfully survive a horror movie. For instance, number one, you can never have sex. Big loop! Big luck. Sex exists, okay? Number two, you can never drink or do drugs. This is a sin, it's an extension of number one. And number three, never, ever, ever under any circumstances say, I'll be right back. Because you won't be back. I'm getting another beer, you want one? Yeah, sure. I'll be right back. You see, you push the laws and you end up dead. Okay, I'll see you in the kitchen with a knife.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:50

Yeah, he knew like everything about it. He like He was a nerd, but he also came across a couple times where I'm like, he could be the killer, especially because he loves Cindy, Sydney on the low. Like he low-key was like foaming over Sydney at the low, like for the first two movies.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:05

And he was just in the second one, he would he would have made sense because he was the only person that followed her or followed her to the school. So it would be make sense if it was him, but then he obviously died.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:15

And he had a legendary Death Scene too, because they were all trying to figure out like everyone outside on the phone. That was fire. That reminded me of like John Wick and they they turned the contract on, and everybody's phone went off, and then he looked around and saw everybody answer their cell phone. I'm like, oh no, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:28

He's trying to figure out who's on the phone and all stuff. Manager said, imagine you're on the phone talking to your mom. Imagine you're talking to your mom, and a man comes up to you and snatches your phone and says, Who are you talking to? Yeah, you're getting jabbed right in your job piece, fam. Don't ever grab my phone from my ear again.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:44

For sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:44

No, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:45

So, what about the best cameo? I I mean, I think we could cheat and say it's Drew Barrymore for sure. But yeah, Drew Barrymore is a cheat code.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:53

I'll say obviously Omar Abson did a blink, obviously. Um who's a cameo in three? I don't remember how that one started now, all of a sudden. Oh no, that was uh that was what a cotton weir. He it was like cameo. He got destroyed, he got killed in that one.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:15

Um which is also a very good death scene, too, because it was the the typical ghost face fake out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:22

Because no, no, no, that's when they got the technology where they can change the voice.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:25

That was a wifey wifey came out swinging the bat. He's like, Yo, gang, what are you doing? It's not me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, What do you mean you were just here? And then he finally said, look behind you, and she got stabbed up. Yeah, that was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:35

Um Who was four? Who was four? For how'd that one start? Oh, that was the the the meta one where it was like it went through like a cycle of different movie beginnings, so you didn't know who killed who.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:46

Um there was some good cameos in that one for sure, the beginning of that one.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:50

Like not like who, but I would say if I had to pick, man, I think I would have to go with uh I would have to go with Omar Epps and Jada Pinkett. Uh obviously for the for the time and also because of what you said of why they did it. You know what I mean? I think that's funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:48:06

So I think that's why the the the cameo was was was I would even flip I would even flip that and say just for like an aspect of like just having African Americans be a part of like a film like that, I think is dope, right? Like big budget film, those those are two actors who were probably doing like that was around the time like The Wood was about to come out, and like you know what I'm saying, like he's doing more of those kind of films, and Jada Pinkett Smith is still in her uh like black movies bag. So like the fact that it this was like a crossover for like our people in a sense, you know what I'm saying? Like again, it didn't last long, but like the fact that they're still able to be Yeah, that's about 10 minutes, but the fact that they got to open the scene, like I think was like I could imagine in the 90s being like, yo, I was in Screams, I was in Scream 2, bro. Like again, uh they got murked early, but at least it got to be a part of like the history or be a part of the film. Not hard. Um so I think that's cool. All right, last thing, bro, before we get to the heat check, it's the you know QT hatera segment of the show. So what really has been grinding your gears as of late, if there has been anything? Um mine kind of ties into this this episode a little bit. Uh mine doesn't, but you so you can go first. Uh for me it's a it's the toxic fandoms, and I think that's like synonymous or horror culture. And I think it's crazy how nowadays everybody focuses on like the obsessive fan culture when it comes to how it influences films, especially horror franchises. Like when you think about uh uh even like when Scary Movie Six got announced last year, and everybody's like, yo, they should have this in there, there needs to be that in there. And now I feel like as of recent time, fans are no longer just watching, they actually feel entitled to control the stories, the characters, and even the kills of like what happens and what comes out, which is cool, but like it creates a lot of pressure on studios and and directors to appease social media outrage rather than tell like bold stories. Because now you're just trying to like yo, we we've gotten this type of Reddit review, so now we're trying to we have to like uh adhere to that. Like, nah, do whatever services the the story to be the best. Don't always have to listen to the fans because they're they didn't they don't know, they didn't write it, they don't know it's right. Again, don't get me wrong, there are fans who come up with great fan theories or could add. Certain great you know elements or or examples to to expand things, but outside of that, it's just tough because like I don't know. I think that's even how like Marvel and Star Wars and and certain stuff has been affected recently, too, right? Where it's like they're just listening to like and it and it's and it's again it's a catch-22 because you do want to listen to your audience. Like, I think you can't be ignorant and not listen to like your audience, but there has to be a balance and a fine line. And I think recently it's been it's been kind of weird, man. Like directors have to be able to balance scares and stories with fan expectations, and sometimes they have to realize that when you dilute that suspense, then it takes away from the originality of the story. So um I don't know, that's pretty much been my biggest kind of pet peeve of late uh when it comes to the the fandom and how people approach stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:45

Okay, yeah, no, I I definitely agree with that. I think that um I think that we think that it's like it's like kind of like I feel like everybody posts everybody posts selfie videos, selfie comments and selfie things about like their opinion on different things and and their narrative and everything, and it's like you know what I mean, like you think you're that important that people like should listen to everything you say. So you post on Reddit, you think you should have some control over a franchise because you're a fan and blah blah blah, and you're you just want it to look like this and look like that, and then when it doesn't look like that, you're very upset. I think that uh I totally agree with that. I think that some people think that they have a little bit more control, like you know what I mean? So where they're like they're the ones that should be doing it because clearly people don't know what they're doing, kind of vibe, and it's just like fam, like at the end of the day, you're a fan, you don't know what goes into the everyday life. You know what I mean? It's like a basketball player. Facts like people thinking that it's easy to just go out there and do what we do, um, and think that they can just get on the court and do what we do. So it's kind of the same kind of thing. So um, so yeah, facts. Alright, man, we're at the end of the episode, so it's a good one. Oh, one second, one second, one second. I'll have to talk about my my QT. Oh, yeah, go ahead. Sorry. Um pet people mine. Pet people mine is when studios announce a movie's coming out at a certain time, and it doesn't come out that time. Why don't you just shut the hell up? And when the movie's actually completed and you're ready to release it, then you give us some notice and do it. And the movie I'm specifically talking about right now is Spa Beyond the Spider-Verse. Because they announced it right after that movie came out, at the end of the movie that it was gonna come out the next year. It's been three years. It's been a minute. And I ha I it's coming out next year, I think. You know what I mean? And I get very annoyed by I get very annoyed by announcers. It's just like Marvel when they announce a movie's coming out, or DC, or it's like any movie, like you know what I mean? Like they start pushing back movies, pushing back movies, and obviously that I know there's a lot of things that go into it, but my point is why don't you just shut up and not say anything about it until you know for sure, definitively, that it's gonna be ready to go. But like when you say like, oh, a movie's gonna be coming out next year, and you know it's not realistic, why don't you just just shut up and just not say anything and promote it when it's time to be promoted? But putting it right at the end of the movie saying it's coming out next year, knowing damn well you know there's a possibility it's not, it's just like pointless to me, and it gets me very annoyed, very annoyed. And I'm also speaking to G I'm also speaking to GTA 6, too, because it for some god-awful reason they've changed it a hundred different times to what they say. You're not exempt, you're not exempt GTA. You're not exempt at all.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:26

So, yeah, so that's my pet peeve of the day. Nah, that's a very fair point, bro. And and on a scale of one to ten, how upset would you be if April 1st hit, or April 2nd, let's just say, because I don't want to use April Fools, but let's say April 2nd hit, and then they or even not even that. Let's just say March 21st hits, and and they they talk about nah nah. Don't say Michael. If you say Michael, I will break. The Michael movie got postful.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:52

You tight out. If they have the audacity to do that, fam, they're gonna have a lot of people rioting. I'm not gonna lie. I told you this movie's gonna make a a hundred billion dollars. I already told you, it's gonna make a lot of money. I'm curious to see. Hopefully it's a good idea. And there's no way they're promoting it's voting it too much, nah, bro. Like, you have to understand, like, people are everybody's gonna see that movie. So again, I I think that that would be stupid on their part because then you're gonna get people upset, it's gonna look a bad look and everything like that. So I personally wouldn't agree, but obviously they can do what they gotta do if they have to, but I would just be pissed.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:20

So, anyways, that's my I already know there's about to be some feedback from like the Janet Jacksons or some of the people that were like really involved in his life, and I can't wait to see.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:27

His daughter was already talking.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:28

I'm like, bro, shut up, dog. Yeah, shut up, bro. You already have to have this stuff relaxing. Um, but yo, heat check, CDN's heat check. You ready for it? He's cheating out. You going right? Yeah. I bet. You want your get back, but I bet.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:47

Let me just get it up. Oh, let's start off with a difficult one. In the original Scream Film, 1996 Scream Film, Gail Weathers is an ambitious uh reporter and author. What book was she promoting when she was in when she was in uh Woodsboro the first time? Uh the first time she went to Woodsboro.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:13

The first time. She hadn't wrote, she hadn't it was uh it wasn't a book about about the about Sydney's mom's murder? I mean yeah. Oh, uh okay. I don't know the title of it though. Oh okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:33

What was the title? So am I supposed to give that to you? Is that a point? No, no, no, no, no, no. Alright, don't worry. So zero. I'm not giving you the answer either because this is my next question. Uh next question is uh what was Cindy Prescott's mom's name? She was a hookah. I'm joking. Uh correct, but that's not the answer.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:54

Uh oh, this is this was easy because I got a Okay, I remember this.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:59

Okay, if it's easy, then say it, bro. Um Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:04

Man said it's easy either. When the producer got mad and they said they they they had their way with her, what'd they say? Oh, Marine? Maureen?

SPEAKER_00 1:56:13

Uh yes, correct. Correct. Maureen Prescott. Yeah, yeah, correct, correct. And the the the title of her book was Wrongfully Accused. The Marine Prescott story. The Marine Prescott story. Ah so, anyways, you're one for you one for two, one for two. Um what was the working title of the first Scream movie during its production? I did not know this. I did not know this at all, actually. I I definitely don't know this. You do know this, which is crazy. You do actually know this. You just don't know you know it. That's the problem. Stab? Incorrect. It was called Scary Movie. I did not know that. Oh yeah! I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that's where it came from. Oh, okay, okay. That makes that makes a lot of sense. I didn't know that. I didn't know that at all. Um oh what was the uh what was the movie club uh that was that was in Scream 4? That was the one with the um It was called the Name. It was a certain type of club. Where was the club at? That's not in the class, was it? Yeah, it was a class. Do you remember what it was called though?

SPEAKER_01 1:57:19

I'm thinking how they think of the class.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:22

It's not I don't think you're you're focusing too much on the class. Just think about what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:29

Oh, oh, I remember because it was the two the two guys with the with the meta thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:33

Yes, but what is it called?

SPEAKER_01 1:57:35

The cinema club.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:36

Yes, it was. It was cinema club. I was not gonna give you film. If you didn't say film, if you didn't say cinema, I was gonna give you film.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:41

I remember it because they were in the class and Gil was talking ash. Okay, yes, yes, yeah. Mm-hmm. And because she even asked for their help, and yeah, I remember that cinema. I'll give you a little cinema nerds to help, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:51

See, I have to I have to come with a good one because you're two for four right now. Cheesing me. Um what college did uh Sydney Press card uh attend in Ohio? And Scream 2. Hmm, you said it too. I did, I did.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:08

That's what I'm I was trying to see if you remember. Nah, I do not remember. What was it called? You don't remember at all? No, not at all. I know it's gonna be something I should know.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:17

Uh uh Windsor College.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:20

Yes, that's what I'm saying, because we played a team Windsor.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:23

I knew I oh that's what I was saying. I was gonna say it's from T's from these ends, but um, but yeah, so two for five, brother. Uh nice try. Shoot or shoot. Uh 40%. 40%. Not really that great, but hey. From the three? Funny three-do! For the three-do.

SPEAKER_01 1:58:40

Yeah, that's that's that's light. That's light. But now right to let me put you on side, miss. So what are the two movies you recommend from this franchise?

SPEAKER_00 1:58:48

I would have to go one for the originality of obviously the first one, and then I would have to go six because I liked the retelling of a modern story. Um I would have to go one and six. So scream one and scream six.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:01

I would personally have to go two and three. I would choose one, but you chose one, so I'll suggest two and three. And you know what, bro? Just so people could because you can't get the good without the bad. I think people should watch seven and then go back to watch one and see how much of a difference like this franchise, like that. There's levels to this. You know what I'm saying? That there's different levels to again, you might have fun with seven, but it's it's not the same, man. It's not the same. So uh if you if you want to waste some time, go watch seven. Uh, if you want to realize you want to understand how great some of the other entries were and why we're so passionate about doing it, uh, this this this episode and speaking about it, because they do have some classic films within this franchise. I'd advise you to go watch other ones as well. So, yes, sir, but man, it's been a great episode. I'm excited to see what else season five has in store. Um, like everybody knows, hit us up on social CNDMs underscore on Instagram. Then from there, man, you know, Snapchat's brewing a little bit, but you know, we got TikTok. You can follow us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and of course on YouTube, where you know the support continues to grow and we appreciate it. But Merv, man, it's been a great episode. Anything you gotta say to the people? Nah, man. Uh happy we're back. But uh see ya. Yes, sir. Same time, same place. Yo, I'm gonna go to the house.