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The One For The Oscars

June 11, 2026 • MiKyle McIntosh & Duane Notice • Season 5 • Episode 71

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INTRO - The guys are back, with a brand new episode. First, they catch up on both of their respective basketball seasons before shifting their focus to the world of cinema. Merv and DuuNo give their thoughts on the latest Spider-Man: Brand New Day movie trailer. Then they waste no time recounting their initial reactions after watching the 98th Academy Awards show.

ACT ONE - They list which 2025 films were snubbed from this year's awards. DuuNo and Merv debate the nominees and winners of the Best Picture, Best Director, Best Cinematography and Best Hair/Make Up/Special FX catergories.

ACT TWO - They review the best Oscar bits from the night before giving flowers to the winners with the best speeches. Then Merv and DuuNo discuss the nominees and winners from the Best Supporting, Best Score/Sound and Best Original Screenplay categories.

ACT THREE - The guys talk about what alterations could improve the popularity of the Academy Awards show. Then they give a respective personal top 10 of the best films they've watched that was included in the Oscars. Merv and DuuNo debate the nominees and winners of the Casting, Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Actress and Best Actor categories.

QT HATERAIDE - The duo express which issues grinded their gears this past week in the world of cinema.

HEAT CHECK - SceneDMs trivia based on the episode's subject matter.

OUTRO

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SPEAKER_03 0:05

All things cinema, theater etiquette, scripts, top fives, favorite actors and directors, and a variety of other categories that cross our minds while watching some of our favorite movies and TV shows. I'm locked in. Are you lights? Camera, come vibe with us.

SPEAKER_04 0:21

Issue 71. The one for the Oscars.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

Yuri, what's going on? It's your boy Deuce Wayne.

SPEAKER_04 0:36

What's good? What's good? What's good? It's Big Merv in the building.

SPEAKER_03 0:39

Yes, sir. And we are back for a new edition. Season five of C and DMs, like Merv talked about, issue 71, the one for the Oscars. It's going to be a great episode because this is kind of where culture, basketball, all these things kind of intersect, you know, award shows, and obviously, you know, basketball's coming to an end soon, so SBs are coming up. But before we do that, we're going to talk about the Oscars. But yo, when it comes to the NBA, recently there's a lot been going on. Yo, the NBA right now, like I said, is coming to a close where the NBA playoffs is about to, you know, come into our lives. Gonna be a hectic time. It's very exciting basketball right now. You already know storylines and all that. But when it comes to the MVP race, what is your opinion? Because it's Jokic, it's SGA, it's Wemby, it's Luca, and no order. But those are kind of the main uh players that everybody's talking about, and I think it's leading and voting when it comes to being the favored ones for the NBA MVP when it comes to this season. But who do you think deserves that right now? Or do you think it's too early to call it? Like, what what do you think?

SPEAKER_04 1:40

Honestly, bro, I would probably give it to you can call it bias if you want. I'd probably give it to Luca. Um in the last eight games, he's averaging 40. They went nine and oh, eight and eight, nine and all, whatever. He had a 60 ball, had 30, had game winners. Man scored 100 points at 48.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

Huh? Man scored 100 points at 48 hours.

SPEAKER_04 2:00

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 2:01

Like, come on, how do you have 60 that 40 to back to back?

SPEAKER_04 2:03

Like, I you see what I'm saying? Like, come on. So efficient. So that's why I'm just saying, like, I think that he kind of deserves it. Um, because obviously, one thing, because of voter fatigue, but also he's been like on NBA first team every single year. He's he's been in the league, um except for his rookie year. So I think that uh it would it stamp him as a Hall of Famer already if he gets his league MVP number one. Um but I think he's like playing out of his mind. Um SGS SGA's playing good. The number one seed, of course. Um I think they uh uh he would have an argument for sure. Um I I just think that the voters might not give it to him might not give it to him because they're getting that OKC fatigue now. Um it's starting to hit them a little bit where their fatigue's coming in. Um so that as a team, they're like fatigued by them. And then when it comes to Wemby, I don't think I think he's doing a great job. I just don't know if he's MVP yet.

SPEAKER_05 2:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:58

Uh and Jokic, I think that he he's doing his thing as always. He's doing his thing as always, but I also think that he uh take it for granted? Like Yeah, it's like everybody's gonna take it for granted. You know what I mean? Like you've been out of here. How much do you have already? Like three or four? Like, come on now. Like we're not gonna we're not gonna give him five. Like there's not gonna be any modern player unless it's unless he goes uh uh like nuclear, which like I mean like nuclear, like nobody's ever seen. Yeah, like nobody's gonna care no more, bro. Like it's like it's like he's gonna average a triple double scoring 30 people and oh who cares?

SPEAKER_03 3:29

And Denver right now, I think, is fifth or sixth in the West, so they're like not winning as much. The Wemby argument's interesting because he's the the Spurs are second. It's a young cast, and he's kind of leading them and he's played enough games. He is he is he's playing on both ends, but I know he's definitely for sure probably gonna get defensive play here by by yeah, he's for sure getting defensive play. He's locking everything up. He's locking his bigger bands reevaluate their whole game.

SPEAKER_04 3:50

Like, ah, maybe I shouldn't. Trust me, fam. I I experienced that shit. I experienced that shit firsthand.

SPEAKER_03 3:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:55

I'm an over four when I played against him. And he was 17 years old, I think 16 years old.

SPEAKER_03 3:59

That's right. We did play against Bobby. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 4:02

Yeah, and I couldn't feel the rim.

SPEAKER_03 4:03

I'm not mad. I'm not mad at you you saying that he, you know, give him a couple more years because I think he's still gonna be dominant as and you know he can only evolve, right? SGA, I mean, if he was to get it, would he be considered the greatest Canadian of all time?

SPEAKER_04 4:17

I mean, he see the reason that you would put him there is because he would have the same amount of MVPs as Steve Nash, but one more championship and finals MVP. So yes, you automatically go there.

SPEAKER_03 4:28

And who's to say he won't get another finals MVP or another championship? Especially because Shea Dub has been in and out with injuries. So I think Shea is still the catalyst for you know the OKC doing so well. Shea did miss a couple games, but he came back and got right back to killing back-to-back uh and his 20-point streak is insane, obviously.

SPEAKER_04 4:45

He has a bit higher 20-point streak than Will Chamberlain, so insane.

SPEAKER_03 4:48

And his aura, obviously, you know what I'm saying? He's still having quarterballs, having quarterballs in the captions and then hitting them with the reload of the gun. Like, yeah, Shea Shea's playing crazy. And I think his argument would be that he does it on both ends. You you don't look at Shea as like a locked on defender, but at least you know he he tries. He does he does lead the league in steals, he does that stuff. Right. I think Luca, and and obviously the OKC's defense as a whole is better as well, too. So I feel like when you play on a great defensive team with with with a lot of switching partners or a lot of athletic players or younger guys that understand IQ pit bulls, they have guys like Caruso who don't care about scoring, they just want to lock up. Guys like Jokic doesn't care about the size difference. I think it it makes it a little bit easier. Maybe it's a little tougher because you have more pressure to like be on the same level of them, but I think it makes it easier knowing you have like a Wallace behind you or those guys that are gonna pick up 94 feet and it inspires you. Yeah, all you gotta do is score and play liquor defense, yeah, yeah, yeah. Whereas the Lakers, like I think Luca gets way more exposed, uh, especially on his defense, because like Austin Reeves is not the best defender. You know, Braun like picks and chooses because he's a little bit older. Like, it's tough, right? But at the same time, like you said, like he's a all offense. I no cap, bro. I feel like I say this a lot. Like when James Harden had that season where he averaged 40 or whatever with the with Houston or 35 or whatever, I was like, I've never seen this before where they're they're guarding him on the side of him, and I'm like, yo, he's he's the greatest guy ever touched the ball offensively and stuff like that. Luca might be one of the like fam, nobody can stop him. It's actually there's nothing you can do. I promise you, we'd have to get the biggest.

SPEAKER_04 6:12

If you're playing the side, the front, the back, whatever, and he's just he's just he's doing stepbacks, doing a one-legged. I'm like, Give a fam. How is he making it?

SPEAKER_03 6:18

Double pump threes, hitting out the glass. I honestly I would say me and you have to talk after the game and have some words, like you're disrespecting me.

SPEAKER_04 6:23

And do that again, I'm punching your punching your shit.

SPEAKER_03 6:27

He's playing crazy, but I think the reason why I think he deserves it is because he's the entire like ecosystem. Obviously, Brian taking the backseat, being the third option, you know, AR doing his thing, and I think he's deserving of a max contract and could probably be a number one option on like a Washington Wizards type of team. I don't think you want AR to be your number one offense or option on like a championship contending team, but I do think he's capable. So that's a shout out to him and his evolution and his growth. But I think Luca is like the end all be off of the Lakers. Like, if Luca doesn't play well offensively or play at all, they might not have a chance at winning. And then if he's able to like try on defense, we've seen it before, man. When he played in the bubble against the Clippers, I remember him shutting down Paul George and quiet. Like he's capable of playing defense just when he wants to. Um, but I'm over, I'm over, I'm okay overlooked the defense, bro. Man, you score at ease. Like, it's a thing. And then he gets and his passes are crazy. He plays at his own pace, like he's some he's such a sight to see, man. It's it's crazy. So I hope he gets that MVP and for Braun. I hope he gets that championship. But moving on to movies, I know you saw the new Spider-Man brand new day trailer. What were your thoughts on it?

SPEAKER_04 7:33

Absolute cinema. Absolute cinema. Um, I think that um I've never been more excited for a Spider-Man film, honestly. Um and I never really get I never really get like I'm not Spider-Man's not my number one um superhero of all time.

SPEAKER_05 7:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:51

So it's not like uh my favorite in a sense. Uh um but so I've always been excited to watch his movies. I always went to the theater to watch them, but it I've never been like, oh, like I'm so excited to watch it. It was just like, oh, I'm gonna watch it because of Spider-Man. Um but this one, like, fam, I gotta be there first day. First day. This one looks fire, dog. Like, I don't know, like it's more grounded, but they have so many cameos, and I I feel like they're like I like the world building of it. Like it's like opening up to like like it just like there's heroes everywhere. You know what I mean? Like if he's in New York City, there's no way there's not gonna be like there's not gonna be way more we know all the heroes are in New York City fam. Like, you know what I mean? So that's why I just like I think that um I rock with it. Um and I'm like really excited for it, and how he's probably gonna turn into like Man Spider and all that stuff and the organic webbing and everything I'm like, yo, fam. Like, I'm just like, yo, this this is this is some peak stuff right here. So I'm amped, I'm really amped for it to see how it is. And he has a big year with that, um uh Doomsday and uh Odyssey. So I'm I'm really excited for that, man.

SPEAKER_03 8:57

Yo, I think the trailer was elite. They cooked. You and I barely watch trailers because we want to, especially trailer culture now, they show everything in the movie. But I think this trailer succeeded on three things. It got me excited to go watch the movie, like you said. I think that's what a trailer has to do. It has to get people excited, it has to make you want to look forward to seeing something. I think the second thing is it really showcased, like you said, the tone that they're going for, and it does kind of feel like a reset. Like it this feels way different than the other films. Like, obviously, the other Spider-Man films he was in high school. Um, you know, you compare it to the Toby Maguire ones, or even the the Andrew Garfield ones, which were pretty elite as well. But I think that Tom Holland just being out of school, everyone forgetting about him and his identity, like you really see the groundedness, like you talked about the consequences, the identity. The fact that um you know what I like about this Spider-Man film, I feel like again, we saw The Punisher is probably gonna be in it, and you saw you know certain other villains. Spider-Man's always known for having more than one villain in the film. But I think what's special to me is that this movie feels more centered around Spider, Spider-Man. I think uh the past few years, or specifically the Tom Holland Spider-Man, they've like used like he's had Iron Man as a crutch. Like Iron Man came through like Braun, you know what I mean? Like it was Spider-Man's movie, but then it's like you still had Iron Man being the guy calling the shots or Doctor Strange, Doctor Strange, the Hulk. Like he's never really had Tom Holland's never really had his own Spider-Man movie in a sense. You could argue that the one with uh Mysterio uh with J. Jenner Hall, but then it's like J. Jenner Hall takes up so much like eight space as an actor, like the J General Hall. And then I was like, what J Jen Hall was at Marvel, like yeah, facts. So I I I'm excited to see like what Tom Holland does, like you said, like him being in the Odyssey. I I think even look at the trailer, man. He looks like he's aged, he's gotten older, he looks like more like physical. I'm excited to see this performance, man. Like to see how mature he is, and and like I said, just the tone being more like realistic and and going through the problems, the depression, like you talked about the cocoon, like all that was was pretty cool. It's gonna be interesting to see how they explain it though. Like, you know what I'm saying? Because he used to use web shooters and stuff, but uh I'm I'm I'm happy and I think they will land the plane. I think it's gonna be a great year for Marvel. Um, obviously, doomsday following that. It's gonna be it's gonna be incredible, bro. I I cannot wait.

SPEAKER_04 11:06

No, it's definitely gonna be something that uh it's gonna be epic. One of the movies of the year for sure.

SPEAKER_03 11:11

Uh yeah, is it gonna pass the Merv Billy check? You think it's gonna hit over a Billy?

SPEAKER_04 11:16

Yeah. Easy. Yeah, I think so. I mean the trailer. Did you see like brother family? Have you seen the up like uh the up roar on Twitter? Like when it when it first released, it was screw everything. There was nothing else other than Spider-Man. Spider-Man. It was all Spider-Man and people around the world dressing with Spider-Man, everything, bro. It's gonna be like uh Billy probably first weekend, Bill.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

That's the first weekend. Um, all right, man, let's move on to the Oscars. I'm excited to talk about the Academy Awards. Um, Rev and I have been teasing this episode for a while now. It's our first time kind of both watching it together. We weren't in the same place, but we were live chatting and just keeping up with it, kind of sharing our predictions, sharing our quick post. I thought it was pretty cool. It was a very, very communitative or community uh experience for me. And it was good, man. Like I was really invested to the Oscars this year. Definitely a long show. And we're gonna talk about dang, bro. I went to bed at like four o'clock in the morning over here. We're gonna talk about different ways and suggestions on how the Oscars could probably get a little better, or or not even get better, but get back to how it used to be, bro, because the Oscars used to be like a main stage. I guess things changed out because celebrity changes and everything. But in general, again, I know we don't have the best experience when it comes to the award shows, the Oscars, but we've seen highlights and we've definitely seen different moments, or like when we some of our favorite actors have Oscars, so we know you know certain speeches or times when they won certain things. So, do you have like a favorite Oscar moment? Like, I have a couple moments in history that I really, really enjoy and that I I play back over and over in my head. Like, for example, Joe Pesci winning for best supporting actor for good fellas in 1991. It was hilarious. I don't know if you ever saw that speech, but that's the one where he went up for like 3.5 seconds and he said, like, it was my privilege, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

It's my privilege, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 13:08

Um Joe Pesci, you're a god for that. That's that's just that's voter. He's going for that. He famously had no time for the Oscars. Like, it's hilarious. It just reminds me of like you could have sworn someone put a gun to his head and said you had to go. Um it really felt like he had better things to do that night. And I think that is just like such a swaggery thing to do. Because what are the Oscars, man? Just like a whole bunch of rich people voting on like what they think is art or what they deem is like a good performance, but everybody's like kind of up in the world. It's like a weird kind of culture. Um it's definitely like a Hollywood experience. So for whenever you see grounded moments like that of like a guy who's like, I don't even want to participate in all this BS, bro. Like, I'm from New York, I'm from the block, bro. Like, I just want to get back to the crib, watch some football, watching basketball. Like, I just thought that was cool. Man went to the podium and really just did a mic drop type of flex that that has still yet to be bested, to be honest. Like, man said six words, bro. He said, It was my privilege, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 13:59

And then the shortest, the shortest one. All right, best, peace.

SPEAKER_03 14:03

Very tough. I also like Ben Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. I always kind of compare their uh journeys to us, like just being friends and the and loving the business and the movie industry and and hoping to make an impact in it. But I think they were like the epitome of like wholesome, like they were actually delighted. You know, two 20-something year olds doing their best to kind of keep their shit together on stage. That's what it felt like. Like they were nervous, but they were also trying to be cool, but they were cool. Um, and it kind of one of those things where it's like probably the greatest moments in their young lives. And I think that their joy was infectious. You saw it off the screen, right? And it just really made for a likable duo. And I think that's why they're so successful today. Like, whenever we see them on talk shows and podcasts or see them in movies together, or we see that the fact that they their families are so close or that they um, you know, have the joint uh company together, I think it really just makes sense. You're like, oh, these guys are really best friends from the crib, and they ended up just making it. And I think that's just so cool because those simple moments are the moments that people will love too. And then lastly, before I let you go, bro, I I really, really think Halle Berry in 2002 was like a pivotal moment.

SPEAKER_04 15:06

Oh, yeah, when she was screaming and like she was like, uh she didn't know what to do with herself, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 15:11

Yeah, she was frantic, but like again, those like genuine reactions I think uh make for special moments. Of course, if you know you're gonna win, it's a little bit different, it feels calculated. But when you're able to like when you're actually surprised, and it was a surprise, right? Because she made history becoming the first black woman to win the act, becoming the first actress to win an Oscar for a performance in Monster Ball. And while accepting her honor, she celebrated those who paved the way for her, such as like Dorothy Dandridge, the first African American nominated in the category 1955. And as a fellow woman, she was still fighting for equality in Hollywood. And she even said in her speech, like, this moment is so much bigger than me. And she even said that it's for every nameless, faceless black woman who has now has a chance because the door has been open tonight. And I think that that was a cool speech. But the craziest thing is decades after her historic victory, Barry still remains the only black woman to win the best actress of the Academy Awards. So waiting for someone to come in. And it's I find that hard to believe with people like Bilo Davis out there who are performing. But yeah, what are some of your favorite actors uh or Oscar moments?

SPEAKER_04 16:18

Um, one of them I think was the recent one, uh was with Key Hugh Kwan, and just like after like, you know what I mean, like just hearing him speak about it and him getting teary-eyed and just like talking about like like he really almost gave up on everything. Like, you know what I mean? He was a child actor, and then like he just almost gave up on acting, and then to just come out here and be in such a obviously well-renowned movie, uh, everything everywhere all at once, and then the role he played and everything like that, he was just like like this is see the raw emotion of it, like you know what I mean. Like we see that a lot with like guys when they win a championship in basketball or win MVP or something like that, and it's like everything to them, and it's just like the Oscars, like you kind of forget that because it's like as we get older now, obviously, and we're in this, like we're in this. We see it now, like, oh my god, like this is like serious, you know. I mean, like, this is people's lives. But um, to see like just the raw emotion and him saying thank you, mom, and just like just so happy to be there and everything like that. Like, I think that like that, like that will make like a grown man, you know what I mean? Not cry, but I get a little teary-eyed still. Like, I definitely it definitely was something that was definitely moving in that moment, um, for sure. I think um another moment I would have to say is uh RIP Heath Ledger, but Heath Ledger's uh winning the award after passing away in 2009 uh for his role as Joker in The Dark Knight. I think that's uh an historic one, you know. I mean, more than anything else. Um I think that they really um they he really deserved it, number one, but also just like how it happened and how sad like everybody was just like moved by it, of course, because that was like a crazy moment. Um but one of the I think one of the other ones uh was also kind of recent. Um I would I would definitely say uh I would have to say uh the La La Land and Moonlight, best picture mix-up. I think that was like you've never seen anything like that. Well, I mean, honestly, if we're gonna talk about a moment Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? Like, and like it's just like a whole mix-up because they put both names on there, which you never really do. You put the winner, but then you put like the second place there, and then they put the second place up top, and they put the it was like a whole weird thing, and and just having that mix-up just to have people like um have such a moment ruined by like an analytical, you know what I mean? Like a I mean sorry, logistical reason and stuff like that. So it was just it just sucked to see uh for the people, but obviously uh Lala Land winning. Um or was it Moonlight? I don't even know who won. I don't know who actually won it. Because I always get mixed up too. So whoever did win it, obviously was a great moment um uh for for sure with that and just to ruin, but you know what I mean? That we had a tie this year, and there's only been like three or four ties in Oscar's history.

SPEAKER_03 19:01

Yeah, that was insane.

SPEAKER_04 19:02

Um, but one of my other ones, uh uh one of my other ones uh for Oscar's moments is when Will Smith smacked the dog shit out of his rock. Yep.

SPEAKER_07 19:13

I'm out here. Uh oh, Richard Wow.

SPEAKER_10 19:23

Will Smith just smack the shit out of me. Wow, dude. It was a G.I. Jane jump.

SPEAKER_07 19:37

Keep my bite name out your fucking mouth.

SPEAKER_10 19:41

I'm going to, okay.

SPEAKER_04 19:43

That's my dog. I stand on my dog, brother. Man, I don't think I ever asked you this. Did you were you watching it live or not? No, no, my aunt, my my aunt texts me, and my aunt texts me immediately because me and my.

SPEAKER_03 19:55

Did she think it was real? That was what I was gonna ask you.

SPEAKER_04 19:57

She was like, yo, did you see that? And I was like, bro, and then I went to Twitter, everybody's like, yo, what? Like, so I admit I initially was like, obviously it's a joke, like it's Oscars, bro. Nobody's ever done that. It's probably a part of it, blah, blah, blah. And then when I found out it wasn't, I'm like, wait, this man just boxed this man on live TV. Bro, I slapped him, bro. Like, and and Jada like sent him like a dog, like a watch, like a like a like a thing dog. Like, they just nodded at him and you go get him type thing, and the nigga went, I said, yo, damn. But um the only thing that sucks about that is that it it just uh it was obviously black man to black man. Never like seen that. Um, I mean, if he smacked a white man, a nigga would have been in jail that night, so it didn't matter. Um that definitely wouldn't happen, bro. I mean, it's probably a good idea that it was black man, black man, but um it just sucked because uh I feel like now it's all tainted, his woman is tainted, um, and also the Oscars with comedy and everything is kind of tainted in that way as well. Um, so I that's why it kind of sucks, but I think that's an iconic moment that like people everybody remembers. It is. Everybody remembers.

SPEAKER_03 21:03

So I think in the future bands are gonna rate it. Like right now, I think because we're the typical climate that we're in, like, you know, sensitive and just being kind to everybody, like, bands are not gonna rate it.

SPEAKER_04 21:12

But like 21 Savage said 21 Savage rated it. Yeah, what do you say? If I was Will Smith, I would have slapped him with a stick. Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. Like, some people are just like, nah, I feel that, bro. Don't talk about my wife. Like, you don't know what people are going through. Like, don't talk to my people like that. Yeah, whatever. So no, I feel that too.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

He's banned from the Oscars. Is that is that a lifetime ban, or is it like a 20 year?

SPEAKER_04 21:36

Oh no, I actually don't know. He got his win, so I don't care, but uh he'll never be nominated again. Um, so that's what sucks. No matter what he does. Uh let me see let me look up. Is Will Smith banned from Oscars?

SPEAKER_03 21:50

Didn't he have to give the award in or is it one of the other? I think he had to either give the award in or be banned or one of the two. Damn, he's given a 10 year ban. Yeah, 10 year. Okay, not bad. See him, he'll play like a Uncle. He's like in his 60s, yeah. You're gonna play like an Uncle Phil type role.

SPEAKER_04 22:04

You go see, oh yeah, well deserved this. Yeah. Oh, but he's not the only one banned from the Oscars. Wow. I didn't know that. Who else?

SPEAKER_03 22:11

Is there a memorable person that we would be like, oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 22:13

I didn't know this. There's five Hollywood celebs who cannot attend Academy Awards. Wow, that's crazy. Wow. I might do this at the end as a tough.

SPEAKER_03 22:22

As a thing. Alright, before we move to act one, what were your initial thoughts on the 98th Academy Awards? So this year's Oscars. What were your thoughts on it? Because I have so many thoughts. Like, for example, I thought the opening was incredible. Conan killed that. I think Conan O'Brien killed that. I think the production team killed that. But then from there, I felt like I don't know. Conan last year was funnier in my opinion. I think that some of the jokes didn't really land this year uh as much. Um I think some of the bits too, like I wasn't really a fan of some of the bits, which I'll get about it, we'll get into a little bit later. Uh and then I think it was entirely too long, but I do think the performances were good, like when uh the centers performance went on, I think that was pretty incredible, especially because they had the ballerina. Was it Misty Copeland who uh came out of retirement? She says she retired for a hot minute and came out just for that performance, and she killed it. Yeah. Uh which is actually kind of messed, not messed up. We know the competition. No, but the academy did they do it, they're doing it, they doubling down that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 23:20

Uh they did they know they said that they then had that idea.

SPEAKER_03 23:23

Because Cody made a joke still, so not gonna lie. But um, you're right, but you're you're right. I don't want to take anything away from Sinners, but that performance was immaculate. Uh I think uh some of the reaction shots, like Leo and his mustache just preparing for the new movie they're doing with uh Jennifer Lawrence. Uh, I think it's cool to see him kind of like out of character but in character wardrobe. That was that was fascinating. Um just to see the different moments that happened throughout the day. The only thing I kind of missed was last year, or I don't know if it was the MBs, but I think last year at the Oscars, they did this cool thing where when a person won and they walked up, they had like two commentators on the TV kind of talking as they're walking up, and it was like giving like special facts or or or little in like tidbits. Oh, I know, I didn't know that. That was kind of cool because it made me feel like I was watching the NBA draft where it's like by the time the person gets up, you know, from everyone clapping to get to the podium, you hear like one or two facts, like, oh yeah, like and Shaw Fan said that he smoked 72 cigarettes before he did for this room, like something like that. I missed that, but outside of that, you know, I thought it was a solid show, man. My initial reactions I was excited and I think I was entertained and got what I kind of was hoping for. Um, I think there were some surprises, like you mentioned a tie, you mentioned some other things uh that we'll we'll talk about later, some some wins that I didn't see coming, but for the most part, it felt like on brand. Like it felt like some of the stuff we predicted or some of the things we talked about, the discourse, like even if we didn't predict it right, it's like the next one our second choice was was the winner. So I feel like uh it was a good show in that regard. I feel like, yeah, you know, a person could have got snubbed or this movie could have got snubbed, but for the most part, I didn't feel like like like I feel like cinema won, is what I'm trying to say. Like I don't feel like the art was robbed, I feel like cinema won, like Hollywood won. Like it just proved that last year was a great slate of movies and that next year we have something else to look forward to. So I'm excited about what's gonna happen next year. But what were your initial thoughts on this year's Academy Awards?

SPEAKER_04 25:12

Um, I thought it was entertaining, but I never actually, to be truthful, I never actually sat down and watched an entire Oscars. I've definitely seen moments, tuned in a couple times uh growing up, but I never actually sat down in my adult age to watch an entire Oscars show. Um until obviously we we came with this podcast and and thought about the things we want to do in the future. I was like, oh wow, I probably should watch this. And it definitely was motivating for sure. But yeah, I never actually uh sat down and actually uh watched it before, but it was it was very entertaining. Um I think Conan Um I think like just being a comedian in general, bro, like it's hard to not no no nowadays, it's just hard in general. Like, you know what I mean? Like you gotta like I mean, you gotta the the the jokes have to fly regardless. Like if nobody laughed at your last joke, you gotta tell another joke. I'm like, I'm like, bro, some of the jokes nobody was laughing at, I was like, I I I felt awkward. I was like, ugh, but like that's like a part of it. So I thought it was cool. Like, I didn't think it was like hilarious. I thought there was a couple of jokes I was I thought was funny.

SPEAKER_03 26:14

I thought more of his production stuff was funny, like the stuff he did outside of the stuff.

SPEAKER_04 26:17

Yeah, like I thought the beginning part was like pretty hilarious. Uh I thought that part was pretty cool, and even animated into K pop Demons. I was like, oh, that's actually lit. That's actually tough stuff. Yeah, I thought um, but outside of outside of that, yeah. Um it was a great show. Um I won't say a lot of controversy out there. I'll say a lot of things I didn't agree with. Um, but obviously there was a lot of political um opinions on there that I feel like is is one of the best places to do it. So I actually really enjoyed that and and thought that was uh pretty cool as well. So so yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 26:49

Nah, great thoughts, great thoughts. All right, can't wait to get into this episode, dive into the Oscars. But before we do that, we're gonna take a quick media timeout. We'll be back with more scene DMs after this. Don't go anywhere. Yeah, sir, we are back. Scene DMs season five, bro. We're we're almost, I mean, you're the mathematician here, but we're almost three quarters to a hundred. Like, that's crazy. Who would have thought we started seeing DMs that we would be close to a hundred episodes? The love is continuing to grow, the page is growing tremendously, so appreciate the support from everybody out there. But man, we're talking about the 98th Academy Awards, the Oscars that just happened last week very shortly. We just wanted to give our review on it. But before we dive into some of the categories, were there any movies that you didn't see that year from the Oscars last year, or from the from last year's movie slate that you didn't see, but you saw in the Oscars and like, you know what? I actually want to check that out later.

SPEAKER_04 27:52

Um I think so. One of the ones I didn't get a chance to see as I'm looking right here is uh what was it again? It was A Secret Agent.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 28:05

Yeah, Wagner Wall. Uh yeah, I never got a I never got a chance to see that one. Um, and then I um as a look at my list. I had a list of like check marks and everything, like movies that I needed to see. Um I didn't see Blue Moon. Um I heard about it. I think that was good enough for me, honestly. I heard it was a lot of dialogue, and that's that's not my forte personally, so I don't think I would have enjoyed it. Um but it probably would have been cool still to see it. Um another one would have been uh Arco, the animated one. Animated one. Yeah, I never got a chance to see that one. Um uh A Little Amelia or the character of Rain. Never got to see that. And then the last two I did get to see was The Ugly Stepsister, that I think it was for later categories, and it was just an accident. I never got to see the screen.

SPEAKER_03 28:58

That's when that was on my list. It was just an accident uh for original best screenplay. I heard that was a really good movie. Um, definitely an international film. Have to check it out. It looked really good. The concept actually seemed pretty fire too. Yeah, I think this other movie called Surat or Surat, I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right, but it's S-I-R-A-T, but it was nominated for the best international film.

SPEAKER_05 29:18

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:20

The premise was fire. I said I might have to check this out. I don't know if it's a different language, but the premise, and I could be wrong, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it has something to do with like a father and a son are traveling to another country to find like the father's daughter. Uh she went missing at a rave, so they're attending different raves to like find like the daughter. That's all I kind of read about if I was like, Oh, that seems like a cool uh that's a that's a cool little concept, yeah. Cool little concept. So those are two films that that stood out to me that I wanted to check out. Um, of course, there's some documentary ones, short film ones, like you mentioned, like arc and different like animated ones that I think I haven't gotten the chance to get to yet. But speaking about movies that we haven't seen yet, were there any snubs? So any films that you saw in the year of 2025 that deserve to be in the Academy Awards? I mean, the Academy still struggles with cultural impact versus traditional prestige. I think that's one of the biggest things about the Oscar. The Oscars to me is like is like referees in basketball, just inconsistent. Like they every year it's like the you would assume this movie would win because based on the past, this is how voters are voting would or the systems or the politics would like favor or or sway to. But then there's always like a year or two where it just changes. Like I I don't think you know, F1 or even like Wicked last year, those type of movies would ever have been nominated like 10-15 years ago. Like movies are definitely changing. I feel like the Academy's opening up in a sense to allowing certain films to to kind of you know, um have a have an opportunity at winning, maybe not win, but at least be nominated, like different recognition for different stuff. But even when we talk about some of the performances and the best actors or actresses category, it's like back in the day, maybe this performance, you know, for if I had legs, uh, I'd kick you. Maybe that wouldn't have been nominated. But now they're showing some love to like the little smaller indie A24 films. So it's like Dan if you do, dead and if you don't, but it's just hard to get a pulse on like what they look for. That's what I meant to say. It's just like very inconsistent. But there are some films that do get snubbed traditionally, usually the ones that people are still talking about years later, that that tells you everything. But for me, I would say like Eddington, I think, is one of the films.

SPEAKER_04 31:19

Um yeah, you did talk to me about that one, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:21

Directed by Ari Oster. I thought that was gonna be on there. I thought it was a very, very well done film. It turns up in the end, it had you know Pedro Pascal, it had Austin, um, it had uh everybody in there, man. I just think that I think even Emma Stone had a cameo or like a couple scenes in there, but I think it was a really well-acted film. And also at this, and and Walking Phoenix too did his thing in there. I think it looked good, but I think maybe it was a little scary because it kind of you know it was set in COVID. So I don't know if that throws people off. I don't know if you can always talk about like I don't like movies that like that kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know if that was the reason, but I think it it was very reflective and introspective, and I think that's another reason too. Like it people people hate watching movies that make them look in the mirror and be like, damn, this is how our society is right now, this is what like we went through or what we did or how our minds kind of psychologically changed because of like COVID or whatever happened to our time and period. So I think that it was affected by that. 28 years later, I mean, if we're if we're talking about you know visuals, no, no, but remember, I'm just talking about just because I'm not just saying certain categories, just in general, like you know what I mean? Like the fact that F1, which deserves for sure, like sound, uh visuals, like different stuff like that. I think if you're gonna put Wicked in for visuals last year, um, if you're gonna talk about Avatar, which is the pinnacle for like you know, uh visual effects, I think you still gotta put in like 28 years later, maybe for you know, whether it's wardrobe or whether it's for cinematography, right? Because even the fact that they did it on a cell phone, they did it on the iPhone. I mean, I don't I guess they didn't care about that, but to me, I'm like, man, visually it looks like that. They did it off the iPhone, like Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:55

I mean, then maybe they don't want to give it the recognition because it's just like who cares?

SPEAKER_03 33:00

I thought it looked good. Like, and we watched it in theaters um in Vancouver, and even just like some of the kill shots, like I never saw it like happen like that, or you know what I mean? So just even visually, I thought it would have got a little love. And yeah, I guess I guess some of the other ones Merv, but maybe I could be tripping. Um, we saw Black Bag. I thought that was a cool movie, it was cool performances. I don't know what they would have got, you know. I don't know what it would have gotten, but it was a good movie. Um, and then a testament to Ann Lee. I thought, I thought that one for sure, based on performance, the story, uh, the visuals. Um, and then lastly, bro, I ain't gonna lie. I I was a big fan of the last knives out movie, Wake Up Dead Man, you know, directed by Ryan Johnson, um The Knives Out Mystery. It had some pacing issues for sure, and it was far from perfect, but I mean thematically, it was one of the strongest movies out the whole franchise universe. And yeah, I think the supporting cast of characters were exceptional, like exceptional. You brought back Miley Cunes, you had you know Josh O'Connor, you obviously have um our guy, you know, Daniel Craig. So I I think with the casting category being a new one, I think I feel like that one should have got in there because that was one of those movies where I mean all of them are too knives out. They're the cast and you're like, dang, he's in this, she's in that, he's in that, she's in that. Like, come on, bro. So um, I I think that they should have deserved it, especially for screenplay, because like those are those like whodunit movies too. So it has to like flow really, really well, or else it'll take you out of it. So but any films that you thought should have been on there?

SPEAKER_04 34:22

Um, I thought from uh uh a screenplay uh perspective, I was gonna say together. Obviously, we watched that. Like I really loved that movie. That movie um I felt like it was really, really done well done um from a screen screenplay uh standpoint, but then also from a standpoint of like a visual effects, you know what I mean? I thought that was it was it was pretty well done. I thought um uh Dave did Dave did his thing. Um I thought that he he acted his ass off in that one too, but obviously it was like kind of a horror, so I'm not entirely sure about that.

SPEAKER_03 34:58

Yeah, remember you talked about it in horror, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:01

Exactly. Um I thought that would that was Have you have you watched that recently since you saw it in theater?

SPEAKER_03 35:07

Yeah, yeah, I watched it twice twice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I recently watched it, I picked up on something I didn't notice the first time, which was like in the beginning, uh Alison Breeze's character was like all over Dave Franco. You know what I mean? Like even when she fake proposed him. Like obviously we've seen that, but I'm just saying like how she was even acting, like she was always all over him, all over him. Yeah, and then when the whole situation happened, it like switched. I didn't notice that. It was like very subtle, but I didn't notice that.

SPEAKER_04 35:30

And then he became like obsessed of it.

SPEAKER_03 35:32

And she was like kind of like chill, chill, chill. And I'm like, oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, is that what the I guess that's what they wanted? Like the what that was the whole point of like they you don't want to come together and and whatever. Yeah, it's crazy how they swapped like energy.

SPEAKER_04 35:46

No, I I I thought that was uh it was it was a really well done movie. Um, I want to say uh the next one would be Warfare. I thought it was uh I thought it was a decent movie uh from a special effects visuals. Um bro, there was like no sound, there was like no music, there was no background music in that film. It was all just straight like ASMR, you know what I mean? Kind of vibe with it. And I thought that that was uh I don't think it was like the best story ever, but I think it was um I think it was it was it was decently done personally, um in my in my eyes. So um the next one would be Ballerina. Oh yeah, Ballerina. Yeah I I I I rocked it ballerina heavy. Um that one was tough, but I think that obviously again, I think that she she could have got like a obviously it's action though, and it's like just pure action. Like, are they really gonna give her like best actress for leading role?

SPEAKER_03 36:43

Like, not for that type of film, but that's why like they need to we'll talk about it later, but I think they should add like stunts as a category, something like that, yeah. Or something to honor action, because like you said, like action, there wasn't a lot of action films that really got love in the Oscar. Yeah, exactly. And exactly, and I do think people like you know, they try to give Tom Cruise the honorary Oscar uh this year, which is like obviously bigger than the other thing. They do it because they don't have to give him one, yeah, yeah, yeah. Give him a real one, but at least he's still being honored, but like it's not the same as the Oscar. And I think uh it's more of like a lifetime time achievement award. Um, but I definitely think if we think about guys like Stallone, you know, rest in peace, Chuck Norris who just passed away, but like guys like Chuck Norris or like the Bruce Lees or the like I said, the the the Schwarzenegger's like it's crazy to think that they're in the hall of fame when it comes to acting, especially with a box office, but then you would they have no like kind of but it's like having no championships or MVPs in the league.

SPEAKER_04 37:37

Like it's like you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 37:39

Like, yeah, you're and it's like nowadays it's we see it. We see how how hard is it? Who like if I had to ask you right now who's the top five action stars right now, like you're still saying Tom Cruise is one out of the five, which is crazy. Exactly, which is crazy because man's in his age, yeah. So it's like we should have honored the the Stallone and the Prime, you know, Swiss niggas when we had him at that time, because there's not a lot of them right now, bro. So it's like I feel bad in a sense, but like you said, that's not what the academy you know valued.

SPEAKER_04 38:05

They don't value that at all. And I think that that's um that sucks because there's a lot of different actresses and actors that like uh that would have benefited from that action category um significantly. So it just kind of sucks that they never really gave them that that stuff, but it's like we talked about it's like it's like in sports. We we kind of put everything back to basketball because that's what we know. But it it's a it's very comparable when it comes to this stuff because like there's only one award you can get, you know what I mean? Like there's only one trophy that goes out, is and the best pitcher is like the championship, and then best actor is like the MvP. And it's like, you know what I mean? There's only there's only one that they give out to every each, you know what I mean? So it's hard to and sometimes it's the same best actors and the same best picture, you know what I mean? It's like you see what I'm saying, like it's like it's it's difficult to kind of to get that, and and the committee changes their their their sway so much that they're like, oh, like I like this movie this year because it's more artistic, and then they're like, oh, I like this movie because it's more this and this and this, and it's just like they change their tone every year, and it reminds me a lot of how we change our views on like MVPs, like what it means to be an MVP and things like that. So um I think it's just like a it's it's hard to it's hard to quant it's hard to kind of get, and now I understand why some people don't have Oscars, honestly. Right. You're starting to see why for sure.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

Uh all right, man. Let's move on to the I think like you said, just it's the beginning, but I think we should start off with the best award. I think the biggest you know award of the night uh is the championship, like you mentioned, the best picture award. So this year's nominees, I feel like had a lot of range. Um some lean into scale, some lean into spectacle. Others were intimate and character driven. I think the winner, I don't know. I I don't know. I don't want to say it felt like a compromise, but it it it was a film that did everything well but didn't take the biggest swing like our other movie that we find is is is is we thought was deserving. But that will always be a good debate. Um, do you reward films for being clean or complete, or do you reward them for taking risks, or or ones that are divisive, or or ones that history remembers because they took a risk, right? So uh the nominees, I'll just go over the nominees real quick for everybody. So it was Begonia, it was F1, it was Frankenstein, it was Hamnet, it was Marty Supreme, it was the secret agent, it was Sentimental Value, it was Sinners, it was Train Dreams, and it was also one battle after another, with the winner being one battle after another. But what were your thoughts on that category, that debate, uh of like who should have won, or or and and then also talk about some of the movies because I know you've seen, I think, yeah, we've both seen all the movies in this category.

unknown 40:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:48

Um, I think that uh I think that it was a robbery, bro. I think that Sinners should have won that. Um personally, I think that uh Sinners was the best movie of the year. Um I I watched Sinners, obviously it came out earlier in the year, and every movie I watched was like, all right, is this gonna be better than Sinners? Because that was a that was a pinnacle. Um and I just never saw it. I thought I thought one battle after another came close. Um, I thought weapons would have came close, but it really didn't. Um and I I just thought that uh from a standpoint of of story complexity and and like turning it back around on each other on itself and everything like that, I felt like it was just like so like it was so profound in what in what it meant. And I think that's the reason they didn't get best picture personally. Um and a lot of people I saw, like I I went to the IMDB just to see some of the reviews, they were just like, Oh, it was like I couldn't follow the story. And I was like, What? Like, fam, like what are you talking about? How can you not follow the story? Like, you know what I mean? Like, it was just like so many excuses that I saw, I was just like, and they're like, yo, why can't it just be two separate movies? Like the vampires is one movie, and then the other the start of it was another movie. And I'm like, fam, like that that he would have made the movie if that was the case, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like they both needed that for the story to mean something, you know what I mean? Like, you know, in a world where nobody thinks they they just lay it it's a very simple, very simple concept. But I think that the people that it the people that were a part of the committee, um, people that watched it, and a lot of like respect to obviously white white viewers, but I feel like they didn't understand it, and people that did understand it were just like, why was it like that? Or like why would it be like that? And it's just like, bro, it's a true, it's like a I won't say true story. Uh it's a story about um it's like get out of the truth in it. Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. It's like it's like get out, bro. Do you think you think we think that there's gonna be white people out here just taking people's brains, black people's brains, and I mean our bodies, and switching their brains? Like, fam, obviously not, but you understood that one. You understood get out. That's what I'm saying. You understood get out of here. It's a literally metaphor. You see what I'm saying? Like everything that every every Jordan Peel movie is a metaphor for something. It's not it's not like the the literal, like straightforward, you know what I mean? Like, I don't think that that's that's what the point of the movie is. So it's it's a bla it's literally a black horror. And and and what the what's horrifying of black horror is that it's just like of the people obviously add vampires to it, but in that one, but it's like it's just I seen a video on it actually. The guy was talking about, he's like, why horror and genre is is and um gender and race is so interesting, is because in a white male um uh horrors, like extrasensual, like it's usually aliens. Aliens come into aliens coming, and aliens usually look like white men and everything like that, and it's all that kind of thing, and from a from a different person, you know what I mean, and they look a lot alike, you know what I mean? And and and from that perspective. And it's because they're a higher higher end of human beings that you know I mean, and then when it's women, it's like, oh, it's like an entity that wants to take their body and use them and stuff like that, you know what I mean? And and and things like that. That's the kind of horror because that's their reality, you know what I mean? And and then when it's black black horror is very Usually very like simple. It's just like it's set in a time where there was a lot of slavery and racism, and we just exaggerated to make it seem like it was vampires, to be to to see that the people that were trying to steal our culture and stuff like that, and that's it. That's just it's not a hard concept, you know. I mean that's all it was. That's all it was. And then you you just mixed in that with the thing, and so anyways, sorry, that was my little rant, but I just felt like it, I felt like it wasn't um it wasn't a very complex thing to understand, movie to understand. I didn't even think it was really that scary personally. I didn't think it was it was on the level of horror horror, but um, but yeah, so that's why I think I thought it it it should have it should have won. Like I didn't feel like one battle after another was had a lot of complex complexities in it. I felt I felt like it was a very straightforward story, but it was about uh revolutionary um black woman. Um it was about a white dad that didn't know what the hell he was supposed to do with it because he wasn't really a part of that, you know what I mean? And then it was about another white guy that was trying to be uh that really wanted to be really, really white, but just loved black women, as he said. He's like, You love black woman? I love kind of uh, you know what I mean? And I I just felt like the movie wasn't like it was very don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the movie's not good. I'm just saying it's not better than Sinners. I mean, there's nothing wrong with being number two. No, no, no. Um, I just I just thought that it was just very simple. It wasn't any complexities to it. Um, I thought it was shot very well, the story was very good. Um, but I just didn't think it was better than Sinners. That's all I thought. That's my long spiel about it. No, that's fair.

SPEAKER_03 45:24

I definitely think that Sinners deserve to win the Best Picture Award for sure. I think Sinners was the movie of the year. Uh Ryan Kugler definitely did his job delivering a film that connects immediately. I think when you talk about the identity, the tension, just all feeling layered, like Murph talked about, it's just like one of the audience's strongest arguments, man. I think that people were so divisive over it. Like you said, like they left the theater, people were trying to figure out decode things. What does this mean? What does the post-credit scene mean? What does what does stack represent? What does who does smoke represent? Like, what does Grace do? Like, why does she make that decision? Like you learn so much about it. It's just like one of those Easter egg films, too, that's just riddled with uh history. And I think that they did a great job of using utilizing the blues and utilizing music as like you said, a metaphor for slavery, for culture, for identity, for community, just for all these things, right? So I think it was definitely a well-shot film, well you know, looked film, which we're gonna talk about in winning for cinematography later. But um, yeah, I also loved one battle after another as well. And I think that like we talked about before, um, I think that PTA was due, if you want to say it was kind of like Marty, Marty, when Marty won the departed, now the departed to me is definitely classic. But if you re-watch the departed, if you rewatch the departed, it there are some flaws in it, you know what I'm saying? There are some issues, but at the same time, it's a classic. But when you compare it to like some of the other things Martin Scorsese has done, it's like y'all just gave him that. Similar to training day, obviously Denzel deserved it, but it just kind of felt like it kind of felt like all right, bro, he was just due again. Leo DiCaprio wanted for the Revenant. The Revenant not even like his top five best movie, and I'm not even saying that like to degrade him because we love Leo. We did a Leo pod the first season, y'all check it out. Um, but I think that Leo has had such even I would have I would have nominated him for Once Upon a Time in Hollywood before I would have done the Revenant, you know what I'm saying? So I think that I think that they just gave him that. I think they just gave that to him because obviously Leo's been acting since 1990, and they're just like, all right, we slept on him. Like, this is actually crazy. Which this is another conversation, but we could, you know, slightly pivot. But I think that's what they're doing to Timothy Chalaman right now. Again, I don't think that he won't win one in the future, but I do think that because he's so young, and I think outside of Adrian Brody for the pianist, and recently he won last year for uh the the uh what's it called? Brutal the Brutal uh the Brutalist? The Brutalist, yeah. He was like one of the youngest. Yeah, he won too. And I think when he won, he was like one of the youngest. I think he was like either 31 or 30 or like whatever, 29 or something like that. I could be wrong, but I just think Timothy, even like no matter what he does, is they're just gonna make him work for it. Like pause. They're just gonna be like, bro, you you're just like the academy is filled with like older voters, bro. They don't like that the younger people like the new school guy coming in and and like when Leo was doing what he was doing in the late 90s for him to not get uh even in the early 2000s, like that the whole the whole uh inception run, he did inception in Shutter Island in the same year, gang. Like, how did he not win that? We're talking about Christopher Novan, Christopher Nolan, huh? Because don't get me started. So I think again, they're just gonna make Timothy like wait and and take his licks and and kind of give it like you know, just give him his award maybe when he's in his 40s. Like, I just feel like that's just what it's gonna be. So I hope he's not discouraged and I hope it continues to work. But when it comes to one battle after another, I really enjoyed that film. And I brought that whole point up because I think PTA, again, like you know, you talk about licorice pizza, you talk about uh uh what's the one with Dan Day Lewis? Um you talk about all the those uh man, the the blood, the I forgot what it's called, but um the one with uh Down Day Lewis and Paul Paul Dano. Uh he you talk about the. Oh, there will be blood, yeah. Yeah, there'll be blood, sorry. Uh Drew Blank, There will be blood. You talk about obviously one of my favorite movies of all time, Boogie Nights, Mark Wolf Mark Wahlberg. Like, that's a classic. Like when we think about PTA, uh The Master with um uh with the guy who passed away, um, Philip Seymour Hoffman, or Philip Hoffman, yeah. Philip Seymour Hoffman. Um, like PTA has you know put out so many great movies, and he's kind of like Tarantino, where he doesn't have a lot of movies, but the movies that he does have like hits, and they're also indie classics, and not a lot of people like are like, oh, I don't like this one. So I I think it was like due for him as well. It just sucks that it came at the expense of Sinners and it came at the expense of this moment and the expense of like Ryan Cooler. Um, but I did think that they got their lick back, bro. How would you have would you have I would see, but that's the thing. I don't I wouldn't have wanted him to like have a co-winner. I think I think center should have won for sure. But again, I really love uh one bath another. I think uh PTA doesn't really miss when it comes to control and the structure of the film, the rhythm, the per the precision, man. It was great because I remember texting you saying, like, yo, the movie's three hours, but uh you know some movies you know what I'm talking about, Murph. You're you're drifting off of sleep a little bit for one or two minutes, or like you could go use the bathroom or go get a refill on your iced tea or whatever, because you're like, I ain't missing nothing. But like centers and um one bath and another both had me locked in. Even one back after another, I left the theater like it's 1 a.m. Like, whoa, it's a three-hour movie. I didn't even it didn't even feel like that because it just felt like scene after scene after scene after scene. Like I was just like so invested into the movie. Um, but I think that the fact that PTA and also Ryan Kugler are friends and they're like respect each other, I think that it made the win that much better as well. Because I'm not gonna lie, I like PTA's speech. I think he he he referenced the the 1975 Academy Awards.

SPEAKER_04 51:39

He spoke about how like maybe they didn't lose, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 51:44

He was like, bro, sometimes it's not about like what movies technically better, sometimes it's about how you feel that day. Like it's how like you literally your mood determines your capacity for what you like when it comes to entertainment, and that's a fact because we all know like not every day you want to listen to NBA Youngboy, you know what I'm saying? Like there's a time and a place, yeah. Just like how there's not every day you want to listen to like the Isley brothers, like or like all through the day. You know what I'm saying? There's a time and a place to listen to slow music, to fast music, to like EDM, to hip hop, to trap. So it's like depending on your mood, you can go to a breakup and now all of a sudden you're listening to you know Bryson Tiller and and uh uh and uh what's it what's his name? And Bryant uh Brent Fayez, like you know what I'm saying, or or Drizzy, or there's days where you're you're you're on your tank and you're not trying to listen to that because you're you're in a successful relationship. Like this moods really affect how you you know participate in in certain things that you you watch or listen to, and I think that he was right about that. Because when it comes to the movies in this list, there were so many good movies, fam. Like there's so many good movies, and and there was a point where I thought some of them had a chance, but for sure, sinners and and I think one back and other were always at the forefront. But with that's 1976 Oscars Murph, the Academy Awards for Best Pictures, the 48th Academy Awards. It was one that flew over the cuckoo's nurse that one, so Jack Nicholson, but it was competing against Jaws, Dog Day Afternoon with with Al Pacino, Jaws, I'll say it one more time, and Barry Linden, which is a standing Kubrick film. So again, that's like a that's beefed up, and that's not even all the the the the movies in that category. So again, I think that's it was just like you know, because again, who's the same? How did Jaws lose? Like, what are we talking about? You know what I mean? But everybody could have felt different on that particular day. But man, Senator should have definitely won. But PTA and one back to another one, thought they were both great films. Um, let's move on to the next category, uh, which is let's talk about the directing category. Uh, I think this was a very interesting one as well. So, it's the same. Yeah, pretty much the same. So, what did you feel about this one?

SPEAKER_04 53:42

Uh yeah, I still think it was Orion Coog uh Ting. I think that he should have swept both best director, best pitcher. Um, and then obviously Michael B. Jordan with uh the other one. But I think that yeah, I think that he should have got best director for this one um as well. I I don't think uh I don't think PTA should have got it, but I know why he got it because of like we talked about, it's like it's like uh when they gave Kobe an MVP in 2007. It's like uh uh uh 2007-2008. I think it was 2008, because they're gone in 2007. Um when they gave him MVP and they were just like, yeah, man, like you've been Kobe for so many years, but we're just finally gonna give it to you. Like, bro, the man's been averaging 40. And so I don't understand why you guys haven't given given him an MVP already. So it's kind of like giving, yeah, it's like giving PTA. It's like he's like, yeah, we're not gonna give it to anybody else because this man is just is PTA. We have to eventually give him more, right? So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:39

I I do think he uh I definitely think Ryan Kugler should have got that. But and and to give some more insight to the viewers, I think that the academy is looking at like you said, PTA is a little bit older, so they're looking at Ryan Kugler like you're gonna have more opportunities. Yeah, you're gonna have more opportunities. Um you have a lot of cinema life ahead of you, not to say PTA is done anytime soon, but just you know, you know, he's significantly older than uh Ryan Kugler. Uh so I feel like they look at it like that. I also want to give a little shout out to Chloe Zaw. I think that Hamnet was a very emotional film, but I think Khloe Zaw definitely um built that film like it felt like a memory. Uh it was really cool. Like she didn't over-direct, it didn't feel like there was all these tricks in there, but it just felt like it was emotional authenticity. So I felt like that was a good thing for a type of narrative story like that. It's crazy to see that Marty Supreme didn't really get no love, but I thought Josh Safty, um, if the brothers were ever competing, I think he directed the better movie out of the two for that year. Yeah, he definitely did better in Smashing Machine. I thought it was cool that they they they that they split up and did their own thing, but at the same time, I think this movie was significantly better than the Smashing Machine, or at least it had more interesting things in it when it comes from a directorial standpoint. Um, we talked about the opening scene, the credits, him you know, making out with Odessa, um, and then it going into you know Forever Young. And then even at the end, you the with how the sperm is, it's it doesn't even feel nasty, it just like is is weirdly beautiful, like how he was able to transition that into the opening of the movie. And at the end of the um sorry, at the end of that scene, uh Forever Young was playing, but it was a soundtrack and it sounded like kids were singing. So it was like all those things I feel like was so intentional. Um, and even how they're singing, it was funny, and it just like in the moment you're just watching the movie, but then when you realize like what the movie represents at the end, how it ends on the baby, and and you're just like, oh man, he put that all together. Like that was that was pretty tough from a director's standpoint. Even just having a period piece, New York, it really gave us that like sense of that period. Um, you watch Sentimental Value. What do you think about Treyer and um his his direction when it came to that movie?

SPEAKER_04 56:34

I thought it was good. I I didn't um respect to the movie, I didn't really see the the the because everybody was hyping it up a lot. Uh I didn't really see the hype behind it. Um if I was going for a little bit more emotional movie, I actually would have probably wanted Train Dreams. Trained Dreams are a little bit more emotional for me. I actually uh thought that one was devastating. Um so that's why I was like more emotional and just such an interesting, like a simple but interesting concept. Um I didn't think and and like I I spoke to my teammate about this, um, but I spoke and said that um I think it's very difficult to judge movies um that are in different languages because I feel like the translation they use is not the actual thing that they're saying, you know what I mean? Like we have to change it into English, but certain things, phrases, words they use don't like translate over. So like even when I saw like because I watched it with I watched it, um, and then when I seen that they showed the clip at the beginning with Conan and they were showing the subtitles or whatever of it, I was just like, oh, like, you know what I mean? Like I my subtitles didn't look like that. And obviously he was like, it was like they changed it a little bit, whatever, but right like they didn't look like that. Like what he said at this point, I was like, oh, he didn't say that in mind, so that's why it was kind of difficult for me to be like, oh, maybe that's what I missed from it, um, and things like that, but I I didn't think it was like that. I thought I I really enjoyed Train Dreams, honestly. I thought Train Dreams was beautifully shot. I thought the story was cohesive. I thought um, I thought from a directing standpoint it was a very good story, personally. It reminded me a lot by like Stand By Me is uh a little bit. Yeah, like I felt like that was kind of the vibe I got from it. So that's true.

SPEAKER_03 58:12

I didn't even think about that. That's fire. Uh but yeah, PTA man, he kind of did the holy grail, it was just very rare. I think Sean Baker did this last year where he got you know best original or adaptive screenplay, not pretty sure original, best original screenplay for Nora, and then he also got best picture and best director. So this year PTA got those three things as well, which is a very, I think it only happened a couple times in history where the director also got best picture, best director, and also the screenplay. So all those things hitting at a high level. But the next category is best cinematography. We don't even have to go through the nominees because this one was a surefire win for Cinners.

SPEAKER_04 58:45

I mean, I mean, I'm not gonna even say it was a surefire because it was a lot of there was a lot, man. Like I thought Frankenstein looked really well, the look shot was shot very well. I thought, like you said, Marty Supreme was shot very well. Obviously, for me, it would have been Sinners, of course. Yeah, but I thought that um from a standpoint of like different movies looking well, like I thought like Marty Supreme looked really good. I thought um one battle after another also looked great. Um I did. Um I thought Train Dreams also looked amazing. That's why I spoke about it. I thought it looked very good. Um what else uh that was in that category. I don't remember what else was in that category, but there's a lot of movies that looked like looked really well done. But I think like we talked about, I watched Sinners again that the other day after uh after they won. And uh I was like, yeah, this movie's OD still. It's OD. Like every I I man, as a I watched it in 70 millimeter, so that was like an experience.

SPEAKER_03 59:34

Experience, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 59:35

I ain't never watched nothing like that. And and my lord, I had to go with the cards.

SPEAKER_03 59:40

I'm about to say after you said what you said about God, I made sure I had to go. I left Subbury like, please, I'll be back. I have to go check this out. But man, I I agree. I I just think that when you come, you know, because some films use shadows and negative space to isolate characters. You have other films that use wide frames to emphasize scale. You talk about sinners, they they're able to have the aspect ratio change which dictates the mood. Like when the nightfall kind of came, that's when the the thing changed when they were in the car when uh De was singing, um, which was such a cool because it just like provokes you as a as a viewer. Um, but I think that you could just whatever story that you could feel from a composition standpoint, I think is the one that was gonna win. That's why I think centers like stood no, like it had no chance. For example, like one of my favorite scenes was in the at the club jupe when they were dancing and everybody was singing and Sammy was in the middle and everything like that, and then the camera scrolls up, it's a winner, it doesn't cut, and it comes back down to the barn just being on fire and it's extended. There's nothing, nothing there, it's just them still going. Because it kind of like I don't know, it kind of like broke in terms of like the fantasy part, where it was like a sequence where like it felt like it was grounded in reality and then it turns into like a surreal moment, right? Because once the camera comes back down and the roof burns away, um, and you see the wonderful stereo shot, like I mentioned, with the with the with the with the transitions, it and then Remic looking, and then it introduces the three strongest characters of Remy and all the uncoming, right? So I and then when you see the characters, it it brings you right back into the film. They approach the door. And I just thought, like, from a like from a cinematography standpoint, I don't know if that was her decision, but whatever the case may be, is that that was one of the things that like when I think about one battle to another or certain of the movies, like I don't know if I get the same exact feeling. But like you said, those other movies definitely looked amazing as well. Like I was driving on the because I had to drive back to Sebury the other day, and I was driving on like one of those one kind of single-lane, no median in-between, windy up and down roads, and I was like, yo, how did PTA make this chasing feel so interesting with three cars and one road? Like that gang, like you're a master for that. That's some real Hitchcock behavior. But Sinners DP, which was director of photography, Autumn, Durald, uh, Akirapa, she made history. She was the first woman to ever win an Oscar for best cinematography. She's Filipino and she's African-American Creole descent, and she's the first woman of color to win. So she's the first woman in history, but also the first woman of color. Uh, in the history of the category, Murph, there's only been three uh women that have ever been nominated, which is crazy because the Oscars has been going on for 98 years, so it took 100 years for a woman to win for cinematography. But three women. Um, there was one in 2018, Rachel Morrison. She she was being nominated for Mudbound. You remember that film? There's Ari Wagner in 2021 for The Power of the Dog, and there's Mandy Walker for the 2020 film Elvis. Um but Arkapovish, man, she made history, man. She was the first female cinematographer to shoot on an IMAX 65mm and ultra pana vision camera for sinners. Fire. And this collaboration marked her second time working with Coogler because they also shot the Black Panther Wakanda Forever, which also looks immaculate and beautiful. Remember how they just I guess gave the send-off to Chadwick Bozeman. I think that was just awesome, like how that all looked and how they handled that. Looked beautiful. But I just love their relationship, and she even spoke on it. Um I think that her speech is one of the best speeches of the night, but we'll talk about that a little bit later.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:08

I'm so honored to be here, and I really want all the women in the room to stand up because I feel like I don't get here without you guys. And I just feel like moments like this happen because of you guys, and I want to thank you for that. I want to thank Warner Brothers, Cindy, Sev, my whole crew, Ethan, Brian, Miguel, um, Trey, Josh, all these people that work their hearts out. And my cast, um, Michael, Delroy, Woomy, Miles, Jamie, Omar, Lily, Jack, Haley. Um these are so beautiful. These people are so beautiful, and I'm honored to be there photographing them. And my husband and my son Aiden and my parents back there. Um, thank you so much. This is this is an honor. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:09

I totally agree. The next one uh makeup and hair. This is this is we don't have to talk about this one, spend too much time on this, but uh Frankenstein deserved that. Frankenstein definitely deserved it. Um to become the legendary monster in Gilmore de Terros Frankenstein, Jacob Alordy had to spend 400 hours, like 400 cumulative hours sitting in the makeup chair. With the team led by Mike Hill, Jordan Samuel, and Solona Fury, who applied over 40 prosthetics. Now, as someone who sat in a chair and had to get their tattoos removed, and I just had my chest and my arms done, and that took two hours, and that was like I couldn't be on my phone, like I had to you have my both my arms out. It was tough to just lock in. Remember, we talked about Jim Carrey and how they had to hire Yeah for uh the Grinch.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:00

Yeah, yeah, for the Grinch because it was like Marines, yeah, the Navy uh Marines or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:04

Yeah, yeah. But just the work that goes into the art, I think the Torio's uh fantasy is well represented in the craft categories because at that night they won a lot. And the win also came on the heels of them winning costume design, so they won costume design as well. Uh because Kate Kate Halley, Kate Halley, um, she won and was nominated for her first time, but she won for uh the costume design. So I think they did their thing when it comes to that, but you you have any issues with that? Frankenstein cleaning up in the makeup and hair uh department? No, I thought all the categories that Frankenstein won, I was like, yeah, greased or I I should have done my research before he did this pod, but like does that mean that Del Toro has the Oscar? Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:44

No well, his his movie does, but not him. Okay.

unknown 1:05:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:49

I mean I'll go around and say, yeah. Yeah, uh yeah, my film won an Oscar after that for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:54

Hey, hey, hey, but and cast them, but I'll take it. That's what it um visual effects. Before we get into act two, the last category we're talking about visual effects. So the winner was Avatar, Fire and Ash. Any any dispute there?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:08

Nope. I watched that in 4DX. Absolute cinema. I told you that when we reviewed it and talked about it. Yeah, man. Uh I didn't have any uh I didn't have any ones with that. I said it was well deserved. Um for sure. That's what I said. I said immediately it was well deserved. Well deserved.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:24

Nah, I definitely agree. All right, we're gonna take a quick timeout. We'll be back with C and DMs for Act Two. Don't go anywhere. We'll be back after this. You're we are back. Issue 71. And we're talking about the Oscars. This has been a great episode so far. Very fun breaking down what happened a few nights ago or a couple weeks uh prior when the Oscars happened, and it was just fun, it was entertaining, there were some misfires, there were some mishaps, but I think overall I had a great time enjoying myself watching the Oscars and experiencing that with my brother. But before we talk more Oscars, when it comes to the bits, because I think that's the biggest part of award shows, right? It's like the chemistry, the ability to keep the audience engaged, you know. And I probably used to watch the B2 Wars, the MTV Wars, um the Grammys back then, like there always had those like bits, and it's cool and funny because those bits can also be promotional. Yeah, uh so for example, I think you know, when it came to these bits, one of the weaker ones, and I know you probably won't agree, but one of the weaker ones for me was the Marvel bit. And we obviously know that they're they're promoting the doomsday film that's coming out soon. So they had RDJ come out, they had Chris Evans come out, which is obviously our Iron Man and our respective Captain America. And I just felt like it felt flat. And I know they have chemistry, which is crazy, but like I don't know if they were trying with the banter or if they just made it up two seconds before, or like it just didn't feel it didn't feel like planned, it felt weird. It felt weird, like they told him to say that. Like, I I would have rather them just like came out and like roast each other like they always do, or like come out with their same type of energy like they do when they're on like when they go to Comic Con or when they go to those panels. Um but yeah, it was like a whole running joke about it was the anniversary of whatever Avengers and Chris Evans got him a gift, but RDJ didn't. It just it didn't hit like I wanted it to. Now, I'll tell you one that hit for me, and that was the Devil's Ware of Prada 2 promo, which is what to pro to promote the highly anticipated film, the Devil's World Prada 2 sequel. Anna Wintor came out. We know her as like one of the best designers ever, and she kind of was playing a character inspired by Meryl Streep's Miranda Presley, right? And Anne Hathaway, who's beautiful. I thought her, Rachel Pagassi. She looked amazing. It looked gorgeous. Like you could see why they're movie stars as actresses still to this day. But Anne Hathaway and her partnered up and they presented the awards for best costume design and makeup and hairstyling, which we obviously just went over.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:00

Anna? Um, just curious. Um, what do you think of my dress tonight?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:11

And the nominees uh and it was so fitting because obviously those two, you know, with the movie, costumes, hair, like it just seemed like it was a good synergy and it just seemed like it made sense. So again, I think that that bit struck because it all kind of like collaborated. But then I also liked that they had that little cheeky moment between them where Winter kind of embodies Presley's character and and she shades Hathaway by calling her Emily as an Emily Blood. That was hilarious. The whole crowd was going crazy bad. And then after that, when Hathaway asked Winter about her opinion about her outfit, which again we just thought like her dress was very beautiful and Hathaway's. Winter literally responded by ignoring the question and moving on and saying the nominees were. I thought that interaction was really fun because it was a great way to let the world know the sequel's coming up, but also to show us that like Anna Winter can be a part of the joke. But um any any other bits that you kind of like? Oh, I also like the uh uh was Adrian Brody the one that gave Ed BJ. Yeah, he came out, and I thought that was funny because he was like trying to like look for things. And he brought all the pieces of people. I don't know. It felt real genuine. That was kind of cool. Um, I know Zedea and Robert Pattinson came out. First of all, Tom Hall, Tom Holland, brother, you are strong. You're stronger than me, first of all. I'm gonna just throw that out there. But you're you're strong. You're you're if if I was him, first of all, I'll start taking some some different roles where he could start doing his thing too. Cause yeah, you're strong, brother. You're I don't know how to do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:33

He's Spider-Man fan. He's Spider-Man fan. He nobody can say nothing to him. He's Spider-Man. Nobody can say nothing to him.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:37

Um, but they had their obviously chemistry coming out together uh in the drama that comes out in a week or two. Um but yeah, any bits that you thought were cool or that you liked or didn't like?

SPEAKER_04 1:10:46

I liked uh uh Channing Tatum and what's his name? Oh yeah. They were talking about animated films. No, no, they're talking about uh he's like, oh, you did a film with uh who was it again? He said, Yo, you did a film with somebody. He's like, Yeah, I won something with him. He's like, Oh, you must be nominated. He's like, No, I'm not nominated.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:04

He's like, Oh, oh, oh, that's not awkward.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:09

I I I always forget that China Tape was funny, so like I forget he began with this funny guy. Like, I'd be like, oh, this man's actually funny, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:15

He's like, and then I utilize him again in the crowd with the RDP.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:18

Exactly. I don't want to disrespect him though. I think he's from the community. Is he from community? Is he from uh I don't want to disrespect him? He's a lot, he's a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:26

He's good, he's funny.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:26

Is he in the community? Let me see if it's him. I don't think so. That was a great bit, though. And China. What is he in, bro? I don't want to I don't want to snake him. I want to I want to give him his name because uh second. Oh no. Oh, um the other one I would say, the other one I would say is the the continuation of the doomsday one is uh when Robert Patterson came back. I mean, I mean Robert Pattinson, Jesus. Um Robert Downey Jr. came back out with uh the magic mic underwear and Channing from the crowd's like, I'm gonna need that back. I got work tonight.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:00

The official tanning chat song for Magic Mic is sequined, right? It's got like a mirror mirror ball effect, light usage. I have no words.

SPEAKER_10 1:12:14

I'm gonna need that back though. What? I gotta work later, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:25

The nominees for best original screenplay are! I think that was that was another one. Um That was funny. That was actually hilarious, but uh, but yeah, man, I I think that uh I'm trying to remember the man's name, bro. I don't want to disrespect him, but I can't find it. Everything's the doomsday crap. Yeah, um that's fun. No love to him. No love. Uh but uh but yeah. Uh yeah, man. I think those are a couple of the bits that I really enjoyed though.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:51

Nice, nice, nice. All right, man. Let's move on and talk about the best speeches. And this is kind of where the night lives for me personally. I think uh people don't understand there's a sag, right? There's the BAFTAs, there's like all these different awards that lead up to these awards, um, the Oscars, right? So sometimes people try to like trend or or or try to I guess chart the trend. Like if like I think that MBJ's chances of winning the Oscars went up because he won um the BAFTAs or whatever. It's all connected in a sense. Yeah, um, SAG also has their awards too, the writers and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:26

I'm so sorry to cut you off. It's Will Arnett. Why am I forgetting why Will Arnett, man? Holy, my fault, Will. But that's why that's why we're playing right into the joke.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:39

It's like, who is that guy? He's that ultimate who's that guy, yeah. That's funny. Um but I think uh the speeches are very important, but man, the obvious one for me has to be MBJ. You know, I felt like we're all waiting for that one, and I think that he gave, like I said, I like the ones that are genuine. To me, he gave the most authentic speech because he came up there, and the first thing he said was, Hey mom. Like, first of all, he took his mom, Jacob Ballory took his mom. That was very wholesome. That reminds me of something I would do for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:06

Put his put his dad in the back, which is insane. He's like, Where's my dad at? He just came from Ghana. I said, Ah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:15

That was crazy. But um I think that you know what's you know what's insane, Mervyn? I know that you and your family will respect this. I'm not even trying to call you out like that. I'm just saying, I just knew for a fact. This I actually said this out loud, similar to how we did the scream episode, and I was like, yo, wait a minute. Like, how could there so many black people in the scream too? After like the seventh speech, I was like, wait a minute, not one person that said like thank you to God. Like on me, like on my mother, I promise you, not one person, like Amy Madigan, the first one, to whoever, like never like said, like, and I was like, I'm not saying you have to, but I was just like, I thought that was different. I didn't know if that the telecast was cutting that out, and I don't think they were. But Michael B. Jordan was literally the only, like, one of the few ones, I don't want to say the only one, the ones that I can recall that literally was like, thanking God, like had so much gratitude for his parents and just celebrating one with real enthusiasm. I think the most important thing he did obviously was you know, recalling the other black actors that won um Academy Awards before, whether it was Jamie Foxx, you know, Cidney Portier, Denzel Washington, etc. etc. I think that was cool for him to kind of give history because I think nowadays people forget, like you know what I mean. Like I hate when you know we talk about basketball all the time, someone's an MVP, and then it's like they forget the history of like yo, yeah, this person did this and had these numbers before too. And it's like we're just so very much prisoners in the moment in the time that we forget. So I like that he was able to showcase that like there's people who came before me and laid down the groundwork for me and opened the doors for me. That was special. But also, bro, I I really thought it was just sincere how he was like, yo, I appreciate that you guys have always been believing me. And he was talking to his peers, and it just felt like very emotional, but also like confident, and it just felt like yeah, like just like, yeah, because y'all believe in me, I'm able to show up to work and do my best stuff every day because y'all want me to win, so I'm gonna continue to win. And I just love that type of mentality, and it felt like you know, he had a standing ovation, it felt like everybody knew he deserved this win, and I think that's what made the speech even that much better, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:04

No, I thought that his speech was powerful. I thought everybody just I mean, I thought he was deserving, everybody thought he was deserving. The fact that everybody was standing up for him and so happy for him. I thought that was so that was so dope, and I thought I think that um he really worked for that. So I thought he was well deserving and his speech was was beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:22

Um you saw what he did with the trophy after?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:24

When we went to uh when he went to In and Out? Yeah, I was like niggas will be niggas, I guess. Nah, but but then I found out that it was actually like an Oscars thing. Like most Oscar women beat you. It's like a it's like a tradition. I didn't I didn't know that either. I was like, oh, this matters. And that was the one that the place you went?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:40

I was like, In and out is fine now. I said, please, I don't know what the cookout, please. I'd went to uh Wappa House.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:47

I would have went to Randy's donuts. You know how much I love those damn donuts. I would have went to Randy's. Oh my god, I would have Randy's immediately in LA, please. Um but no, I think one of my uh favorite ones uh was um actually Amy Madigan. Um I thought, yeah, I love that. Yeah, I thought hers was was cute because it just felt like very raw. It didn't feel like it felt like she prepared, but then she didn't really think she would win. Like, you know what I mean? Like she was she said that she said, I was thinking about in the shower, and then and then I just thought that the her her um admiration for her husband, Edward Harris, who's one health actor himself.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:17

Everybody's asking me in the press at all this. Well, it's been 40 years, and um, you know, what's different about this time? This is different as I had this little goal guy. So I mean, I was in the shower last night trying to think of something to say as I was shaving my legs, and I went, I got pants on, I don't have to worry about that. I'm sorry. And you know, we were kind of advised that you know, don't say all these names because nobody knows who the hell these people are, but you're not rattling them off. They're people that mean something to you that you couldn't be here without them. First and foremost, I just have to thank Zach Krager, our writer and director. He just wrote, he just wrote a dream part, and when I he let me just grab it by the throat and um, you know, I want to thank Miri, you know, who is on set all the time, our producer, and of course, you know, Warner Brothers and New Line and Pam and Mike, but you know, it's all the people who helped me get here. You know, you're just as you can tell, I'm a little flummoxed. You know what I mean? Um, I also want to just give some tribute to Elle and Inga and Wonme and Tayana. I oh my legs are shaking. Um because when I was doing all the weapons stuff, I was kind of traveling on my own. And and people from One Battle and people from Sinners and all the films, they just kind of gave me a hug and said, Yeah, come on in and let us know you, and you can know us. So I thank that. But most of all, I want to thank my beautiful daughter Lily, her husband Sean, um, and of course all the dogs. But the most important is my beloved Ed.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:26

I thought it was so cute, and it was just like the you can see the love and like you know I mean, how much they pour into each other, and like the fact that he was so happy for her, she was just like happy that he was there for her, and I thought it was like very cute, and it just like showed like a nice, like acting couple that like you know I mean, really was there and in their older age, yeah. For her to win and like their older age, and like it was such a dope thing to see, and I thought uh she was well deserving of that of the award, and I thought it was so cool to to hear her speech and and just thank her husband, and and for him to not even not even like try to take her shine, bro. Like, he didn't even try to do anything, like it's Ed Harris, fam. Like, we all know who he is, but he's just like, nah, like this is by my wife, like you know what I mean. She won. Um, and she has a name, Amy Madigan. She has her own name, she has her own stuff, and I'm like, wow, so that's really I I I really like that one. That one was that was really cool. Her her laugh was cute. I thought it was funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:13

She said, Oh my god, my legs are shaking. That's that was funny. Um, but like you said, just man, shout out to Anne Gladys, man. There's gonna be a a prequel. There's gonna be an A Gladys story coming out because of the success of what she did. So I think after Zach Kregger. After Zach Kregger does the new Resident Evil, um, I'm I'm I'm sure he's gonna go back to Anne Gladys and revisit the weapon story. So that'll be cool to see her on screen again. But yeah, that was a great, that was a great choice too, bro. I thought that was very, very, very fun. Um, I also like the we talked about uh Autumn already, her winning the best cinematography award, but I think the moment that made it really cool was that she asked all the women to stand up in the audience. And like, you know how sometimes, respectfully, respectfully, again, respectfully, sometimes like when women push the women's empowerment agenda and it feels forced. Like that didn't feel forced. It really felt like nah, we're honoring all the women that have something to do with film tonight. Like everybody stand up, it didn't seem like you know, like she was trying to do it for likes or clicks, it just felt like a genuine moment. I thought it was so cool that she was able to do that. But I think what was even cooler is that like I talked about MBJ, you know, um commenting on the history before him. She also talked about Rachel Morrison, who was the first woman to ever be nominated, right? So just giving eight years ago, so just giving her that moment as well to bring her name up again and speak a life of like, yeah, you didn't win, but like you being nominated also gave me the power to know like exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:33

I can be nominated as well, and yeah, and win. I mean, like, that's dope.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:36

And I think the most beautiful moment is where Ryan Coogler ran and got her kid from the further.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:40

Yeah, I know. I was gonna say that too. I said that was super dope. You can see how close he is to her and and the family for him to like run to the back and go get her her son so that he can be at the front to see his mom saying a speech. Like, I thought that was so cool, man. That was really dope. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:54

And lastly, I'll say, bro, I was a fan of um one of Paul Thomas Anderson's speeches, like, he seemed super nervous. He was like fidgety with the trophy. Um, and I just like that he kind of one spoke about the movie and how one bath another. Remember how we spoke about like him having an interracial relationship with Maya? He talked about Maya, he talked about um the fact that you know this award is dedicated to his kids because how much time he spends on writing and directing and it takes away from the family. So I like that. Um, and then he kind of just tied it all into the movie and to his kids about like we're sorry for this like beauty, like this mess that we're leaving the next generation. And I'm like, man, that is kind of what one battle to another kind of is about. About like how does Leo, you know, partake then like Willow and prepare her for the generation when her evolution is different from his and his was even different from Tiana Taylors. Like, there was just so much about it, I just felt like it was all connected. Um, so I like that. And like I said, like the way he speaks and stuff, yeah. You could just tell he loves cinema. Like, I love whenever like Quentin Tarantino, PTA, Martin Scorsese, James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, I mean, no, it sounds like all the big shots, but when those kind of like NYU film nerdy guys start talking about films, bro, I could like listen to them all day, bro. Like you could just tell they love movies, like yeah, just love talking about movies. So I thought that was kind of cool.

SPEAKER_09 1:23:05

That in 1975, the Oscar nominees for Best Picture were Dog Day Afternoon, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Jaws, Nashville, and Barry Linden. There is no best among them. There is just what the mood might be that day. Um, but we're happy to be part of this. A wonderful, wonderful journey with our fellow nominees, our fellow filmmakers, our fellow filmmakers that even weren't recognized by the Academy. There's so many great films this year. And I really blew it when I won a Best Director Award, and I forgot to thank my cast. Um with Leo, Benicio, Tiana, Sean, uh, Regina, and especially Chase, my American girl, Chase. You are the heart of this movie. This entire team. What a night. You guys, let's have a martini. This is pretty amazing. Cheers. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:58

Oh, I'm that he brought that up, but man, that's awesome. Let's talk about the casting category. I was the first year they did the casting, and the winner was one back to another, it was Cassandra Guriz. Why not?

SPEAKER_04 1:24:09

I just thought Sinners uh it was a perfect cast. Like perfect. Like, you know what I mean? I love again, like, I think Chase Infinity uh did her thing. I think Tiana Taylor did her thing. Obviously, Leo, Benedito, and then I think Chase was the factor.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:21

I think Chase was the factor.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:23

I think that uh I mean, uh, but did she do better than Miles? No, no. Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying. That's his first acting, that was his first acting gig, and it was a it was damn near a lead, like damn near. Okay, um, then it was Michael B. Jordan twice. It was um Rumi, and then Wumi, and then it was and then Delroy, and then it was fam, what? And then it was Remick? Yeah, fam, you see what I'm saying? Haley, like from come on now, like that's what I'm saying. Like, nah, they're casting with OD, then cornbread, like come on. Like, I I feel like that was I mean, I guess they they may be chase, but uh if we're gonna go if we're gonna go bar, no, no, no, no, you're right. We're gonna go barber bar. It's like chase, it's chase and then Miles. And my I think I think Miles did a better job than than she did personally.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:05

I forgot Miles, that was his first role. That's why I was when when they won for casting, my whole thing was like, oh, she she put she put uh Chase Infinity on because you know she hasn't had like a big role before hasn't been the feature film ever. So I was thinking like, oh, they identified casting because she identified like a dabin in the rough. But that could also be said about Miles. So that's a great point.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:25

Yeah, and he was singing, he was like damn near like the lead, and then it was like I said, like, I if we're gonna go bar for bar, then it's MPJ and Leo.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:32

But that's why like I don't know, I don't know what the I guess the stipulations are for that award because even when I thought about it, I was like, okay, so they have Delroy Lindo talking up there, but like he doesn't need like like you know what I mean? Like it you could hit up hit up Ryan Cooper and be like, I want to be your film fan. Yeah, of course, like it's Delroy Lindo, but also the same thing could be said about Leo and Benicio del Toro. That's why I I wish I knew what the category was like hinged on. Like, because I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:58

It's probably there's probably no criteria, it's probably just based on like how they thought the film looked, and if it's the best pitcher, then it's probably had the best cast. So honestly, we probably were looking, we probably saw like the future of the best pitcher just by seeing who the best cast was personally.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:11

Oh, so interesting. So you think so you think in the future going forward, like this will be like a telltale sign. You know what reminds me of? Like when you used to watch the BET Awards, and uh, and if a performer performed, I'd be like, oh, they're gonna win later. Because like why would they work? Yeah, why would they perform? So that's a interesting point, and I want to hold you to that in the future. We'll see. I think that's a great point. You might be right.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:29

I I think I think I'm just I'm just putting it out there because if you think about it, the best casting obviously has to be. If you thought it was the best casting, you obviously have to think it's one of the best movies. It's not the best movie. So I'll we'll see, we'll see. And we'll just do it from from this point on, we'll see. So we're I'm one for one right now. Uh so we're gonna we're gonna see if it's gonna for the next 10 years, what it's gonna look like and if it's gonna be the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:52

So um I thought she uh she had an awesome moment because when she accepted the award, um Cassandra Kilacundez was like uh she won an Oscar before a PTA, which was hilarious because technically, technically she did. Technically, but a couple hours before even though we knew he was gonna win, so that was like cool because like that's an inside joke, I guess, that they had um that I caught on to. And I think that the overall presentation of that award was awesome. Like they had like an actor from each movie um then speak about, like speak glowingly about a casting agent. I thought that was pretty cool. They give them their just dues. Um, but man, next next category, supporting actor category. Um, this act this this category was loaded, I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:30

Um, I think Aunt Gladys went for the for the actress. Um I thought Aunt Gladys uh and that was Amy uh Madigan. I thought she deserved it. Um I thought uh I thought what was it called? Tiana Taylor did her thing. I also thought um she won a hand, you know. I I I always blank on her name. Um Womie? No, no, Womie did her thing. Um Sentimental Valley or no? I didn't think Ella Fanning deserved that. I don't feel like she did enough personally. You know what's crazy?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:05

I liked her better in Badlands.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:08

Yeah, like I thought, but she was I thought she had more of like a supporting, like I didn't feel like she had enough, but I thought I thought Rose Bryan was was was alright. Like Byrne, sorry, Rose Byrne was up. But you didn't write the movie though.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:20

But I didn't like the movie, so I thought she was good. Um But I don't understand how she was she was that that was she wasn't in that category, was she? I'm tweaking. Because that was that's supporting. That's supporting. She won out, she was in that leading. Yeah, yeah, that's what it was. That's what it was. Um but yeah, so I I just I thought that uh I thought that Aunt Gladys deserved it. Um Amy Madigan. Um I didn't think Ella Fanning did enough personally. Um I thought Tiana Taylor did her thing. I wasn't sure if there was another sentimental value uh actress that was in that one. Um, but it didn't matter who else was in it. I thought Aunt Gladys deserved it uh personally. But what do you think?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:56

Yeah, she stole she stole the movie, bro. I think that um we even think about Conan O'Brien, the meme, or even how he dressed, like you know what I mean? He dressed like her from what I think that even just the whole thing I think I made a joke. I think we we played Ottawa and Moms and Micah came down. I remember I had the bowl, and then I was like joking around about snapping the thing in the little in the room that we were staying at. Like, yeah, even just the stuff that she was doing, it made me just like I still think about to this day. Um, when I think about her presence in the film, she had that veteran presence where you feel like she really she lived an entire life before she even showed up. Yeah, and she went through just so much, man. She was like like menacing, but she was also like the old sweet lady, but then she was also very witch vibe. So it was just she was able to encompass so much, and I think her performance was so strong in the fact that you know they're gonna give her a prequel, even though we saw her literally get ripped to shreds.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:44

Like so I don't know if we need a prequel, but hey man, like let it let it let it rock. So I don't know if we like we've seen worse. We've seen worse.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:53

Um, so what about the supporting actor?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:58

Um that one was difficult, man. I thought that uh personally, I thought Benedict uh uh Benicio Benicio did a better job than I was like, than uh Bop Bop Bop than Sean Penn. I I thought he did a better job than Sean Penn. I thought he was more um obviously Sean Penn did his thing, like don't get me wrong, but I thought Benicio like really stole the show.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:21

He did.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:22

Um as soon as he came on screen, I was like, damn, when is he gonna be on screen again? You know what I mean? Like a few beers. You know what I mean? Like his line, like his lines, like his lines were like iconic in that sense in that sense. Um and I felt like he kind of stole the show. And that and he wasn't, it didn't seem like I also what I enjoyed about it, it didn't seem like he was trying hard. You know what I mean? Like it's it felt it like it flowed, like it was just flowing out of him. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:45

Like that's consistent with his performances. You think about um his classic uh usual suspects and just how he is, he's just easy going. You think about him? Sicarious, chilling, yeah. He's really good at that like off-beat rhythm that he makes the dialogue feel improvised, and it feels like it's just in the moment. And um, I think maybe the reason why he didn't win, although I do agree with you, especially because like he was actually slick hilarious. Like, yeah, the time where Bob can say, like, yo, what time is it? What time? Like what time then uh that he says the time in the background, I was crying. I'm like, bro, he's not even talking to you, he's talking to the guy on the phone. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:18

The man's like the man's just like in the back, just chilling.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:21

It's like 817. Uh I just love how like comedy was, like you said. Um I think that the reason why he didn't win is because it was like less narrative weight, like like you said, like his character wasn't didn't really impact the story that much in the terms of like how Penn Sean Penn's character literally anchors the story. But I agree, man. Like Del Del Toro was like you said, like, when is he back on screen? Like, nah, he's he's not on screen right now. Like he him and Leo, man, their chemistry. It was even cool to see the selfies they took in the car and how he posted it on Instagram, like all that shit was was was amazing to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:52

I do not think yeah, go ahead. Nah, I was just gonna say that. I think that was that was that was super dope, to be honest with you. But no, I'm sorry, continue.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:59

No, I was gonna say Sean Penn, like this one was a tough one too, because he already has two. So I'm like, gang. I don't know what made them want to give this to him, especially because he doesn't even have to. He don't even rock with the Oscar. Man has been not rocking with the Oscars. I uh he's been like not rocking with the Oscars. So I was surprised that they did that, but I do think he does put a volatile mentor figure. And uh man, he was cooking, like to the point where we're like, why is he walking like that? Why is he talking like that? Like he really made some very intentional choices that are different from his personality. Like he was like, if you know Sean Penn or seen a lot of Sean Penn movies, like he really he really crafted a unique character um in Colonel Lockjaw, because that's not how Sean Penn is in real life. Like Sean Penn was smoking at the Emmys family. He's he's a cool guy, he's a chill guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:43

Like so wrong. I thought he did his thing, man. But um I thought Jacob, Jacob killed it uh Jake as Frankenstein.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:53

I thought he killed it uh uh um as Frankenstein. It was kind of weird that he got supporting. I thought he would more be leading. I guess they gotta give her Oscar, yeah. But uh Jacob, I feel like Jacob was was was really good as Frankenstein, like really, really good as Frankenstein personally. Um so that was kind of a difficult one for you to just, you know what I mean? Like I overlook I don't know if he was second. Um in the I don't know who was second kind of thing. Um he might have been. Um and then I think no, I think Stalin was Stalin Skarsgard was was was second um in sentimental value. And I was just like, I don't know if I agree with that. I feel like I I I'm a sinner's like apologist, so like I'm I'm thinking that Delroy, if it wasn't Delroy, it it should have been uh Benicio um in my eyes, and then it went obviously when Sean Penn and then uh Jacob would have been up there too. So it was a stack like we always talk about it was a stacked year, man. It was it was very hard to pick.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:48

Um I love that Jacob pick too. Do you think that maybe it's because it was more of a body physical performance from him? Because as Frankenstein, he wasn't saying many words, you know what I mean? But even that is hard to pull off, you know, to deliver to act like that. But do you think that's maybe a factor into why he didn't win? What I also want to note too is I hope he doesn't I hope he doesn't get discouraged as one of our young actors. I wouldn't say he's a movie star, but he's he's been doing his thing since like I will I ain't gonna lie. Uh you you watched Euphoria before, right? Obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't think like if you had to look at that cast, especially after season one, I didn't think he would be the one that like I you knew Zendaya was gonna be a star, like since Disney, since Disney fam Zendaya's been.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:25

I didn't think he was gonna be like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:26

I didn't think he was like, he's damn near under Zendaya. I don't think I mean Sydney Sweeney, I guess, would be second, but Jacob. Yeah, Jacob, right? So man, I I think that I just don't want what I'm trying to say is I hope he doesn't get discouraged. I hope he continues to make big films but also take chances because that's what he's been doing recently, man. So um tip similar to Timothy Salome Um and Austin Butler, I hope those three guys who are around their 30s like don't don't get discouraged, man. Continue pumping out these films like twice a year, two every year. Like, I just like the consistency from all three of those guys. Yeah. I hope that they don't get discouraged because they're not getting like their flowers from the academy right now. You know what I mean? I hope that they continue to be the shifters and the and the groundbreakers when it comes to this generation of actors. But I uh you made some great points, man. Dora Lindo, man, she's the gravitas that he's that he brought to that film, just the the the comedic sense too, right? All right, bro. He's like he when he when he ate the uh when he ate the um the cold.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:21

My nerves all got me all messed up, man. He's like he's like that video got me all messed up, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:27

He's like, he was hilarious doing that, bro. I'm crying, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:35

He was just like, hey, y'all smell anything? He's like, no, he's like, I think I just shit myself.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:42

Man, and then he was able to be emotional, like that that monologue he had in the car. I saw a video about how he said it was like accidental brilliance because he said on that take, he kind of uh improvised some of that because Michael B. Jordan didn't stop at the the they had like a marker. They said that Michael B. Jordan went past the marker and Ryan Cooper didn't yell cut, so he kept like he improvised the humming that wasn't in the script. So just to see him like bring his nuance to a script and to see how that all came together and it became one of the more emotional parts of the film as they're driving past the cotton fields and he's telling a story about his broski and how he got locked up and then got killed and all that stuff, like I think yeah, it really added, like you said, just that emotional level and weight to the film. But man, Delroy should have definitely won. I don't know if he's won supporting before. I think he's been nominated before, but he's definitely one of our underrated like actors. But in the community and in our culture, if you know, you know, like man's been in Malcolm X, he's been in bare films, you know. I just feel like to the to the other cultures, they don't know him like that, but he's definitely one of them.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:42

I know. A man said a man interviewed him, like a young uh reporter, and it just cheeses me because I'm like, bro, we could do such a better job when I see certain people on like red carpets or carpets, and he like said, like, how does it feel to like finally like uh like to he's like he said like um to break have a breakout performance like this, and he's just like that was like I've been doing this for decades. Like what do you think? I don't think I needed a breakout performance for anybody to know who I am, kind of thing, you know what I mean? And and that was kind of the attitude. Like after that, I feel like that was what that was his attitude, like even at the Oscars. I feel like his attitude was all on some like like I'm better than like not I'm better than this, but like, bro, I don't need this, you know what I mean? Like I don't really need this kind of vibe. Like I felt like he knew he was gonna win, like, but obviously the nomine the nomination is is enough that you can put that on any poster. You said Oscar, Oscar nominee, like that's that's enough. So um, which is insane, by the way. Uh that nominees are uh are enough for you to to get even a payer uh a pay raise. So um but I love that for him and his family. But uh but yeah, I I don't think he needed that, but it would have been nice to see for sure, of course. But I don't think he needed it um to be solidified in in our community. We know who he is and and and what he brings. So nah facts.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:56

We definitely message you over here. Man, we gotta have him on the we should have asked cornbread, bro. We should have had him. I know facts. Tap in with uncle in time, but next category is score and sound. So the best music, so original score, and the one in with sinners with Ludwig Gorison. What'd you think about that?

SPEAKER_04 1:38:12

Absolutely. I'm not gonna lie to you guys. I I I listened to it over again. Like the soundtrack or the Pam, I have it downloaded on my movie. I had it downloaded from the movie. I have the soundtrack, and I have the I have the soundtrack with the Ludwig one, and then I have this the soundtrack with like the songs from the the songs from the movie. You know, I'm gonna be locked in the horror. And then there's a soundtrack. Yeah, yeah, Pam, I've been locked in. And there's there's two there's two on here that are just like I think will go down as like some that are like the best in in history um when it comes to filming. I think that I think that the value of sinners is gonna be better in the long run. I think that it's gonna be one of those movies, and this is why I'm saying so much about it, because I I went in 10 years when mans come to me and say, Yo, I remember I said this movie's a classic, and it and it's like a whatever, whatever, I'm gonna be like, you guys are liars. All you guys are liars. I want to make sure. I there's mans that I know that loved it, and there was man's that said that nah, it wasn't like that. But there's on the score, there's um I have like a couple of them downloaded, and there's um Free for a Day with Miles Canton, um, is the one where uh at the end of the film when they show the montage of when he said like the last time I seen my brother was the last time I seen the sun, and like that montage with all that music. Um that one's impeccable if you listen to the full version. And then uh Barry the Guitar. And and Barry the Guitar is the one where after they make it out and it's only him, it's only um it's only smoke, it's only Smoke and Sammy. And then he tells Sammy to bury that damn guitar. And then and Sammy takes the car and leaves, but then Smoke sets up and starts shooting. But then the funny thing about that scene, so that's the thing about the score that I was like, bro. I listened to it, like I got obsessed with this. So I listen to it, and there's a there's a there's a song earlier on in the soundtrack, and it's called the Smokestack Twins. And there's a little bit of a rhythm for like 23 seconds where it's like distinctive to the twins, because like kind of anytime they're on screen, they kind of play it like in a different variation. But then the berry, the guitar, when he starts shooting them up, they play it, but they play it at such an aggressive level. Like now it's not like somber anymore, it's like aggressive because we know what he's doing. Yeah, and it's like it's it's it's like to me at least. I read it as like he's missing his other half of the beat. You know what I mean? So the beats like it was supposed to be rhythmic, it was supposed to be rhythmic, and it was supposed to be like this, but then when when you take one of the rhythms out, now it's like it's uneven, but it's like going at a different pace. And bro, I don't know, I don't know. Maybe I got obsessed with it too much. I found this level of uh I found this level of something, but I was just putting you on a panel. That was a great big diamond. That was tough. But like I don't know if I'm tweaking, I don't I obviously I don't I don't know if I'm tweaking or if I'm just like hearing things because I want to, but like that's how I felt. Like I felt like when you like think about it, I felt like the twin was missing. So that beat that was specific for the twins got shifted. It was the same beat, but it was shifted. And I don't know if Ludwig did that on purpose or it was just something that he just whatever, but that's what I felt. There was two those two songs right there, and I listened to them, but I put them on repeat both, and I wish I could layer them just to see, like, whatever, but I don't I don't I don't know all that extra shit. But uh I just played them back to back just to see, and uh that's what I got from it. So uh that's why, again, sorry, that's my entire spiel is to say that's why this nigga deserves it. Nah, he deserves it anyway.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:30

Because of that alone. And him and Ryan Kugler are like the one-two punch. I man, I love that Ryan Kugler, even Michael with Jordan, man. I love how they all stick together and it reminds me of basketball, right? When even today, when I had my game, it's like we won two, three plays. You know, for example, say you run a stack or sping and the team can't stop it, and you know, you score three different times, maybe it could be three different ways. Like, and then your coach comes down and says, Run something else. I used to be like, why? Like head top, running the same thing again, fam. Like, it until they stop it, continue my team. That's my team, huh?

SPEAKER_04 1:42:01

That's my team, that's my coach.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:03

Yeah, that's when it's played, that's when it's played. Works, you know, don't ever do it again. Yeah, that's that's wild. So I like the fact that they continue to be frequent collaborators, and I think they should do that. And it's obviously a cool synergy because those two guys went to school together. So Ryan Kugler and you know uh Gorison and Ludwig, Ludwig Gorison kind of hanging out and and I guess coming together because they're both like I mean Kugler was from America, so him going to the school he went to wasn't like he was that far. He was a plane right away. But the fact that Gorson was like from a different country and they're able to gel reminds me of like some of the teammates that I met at USC. Um like I think about Mendogonus catching this, who's from Lithuania, and we're still cool to this day. And yeah, him talking about him being homesick at South Carolina, and I'm homesick, but I'm feeling guilty because I'm like, I'm gonna plane right away. I'm I'm gonna go to Toronto right now. You gotta take a plane and take like two days, like and by the time you get there, you gotta come back because we gotta practice our game. So I just like how they're able to, you know, connect on that level for being homesick, and then now they have you know they got awards together, game.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:08

Yeah, I think that's so I think that's so special. Um, on a different regard, it's just like how we talk about it. Like when we we make it to the mountaintop, it's like we want to have the people there that were there with us, you know what I mean, at the beginning and that saw the vision. And I think that like finding someone earlier on to be like, yo, they like for him to have that, but that's like a blessing that he he obviously realizes it, he's been realizing probably, but he at the time he probably didn't realize it, it's such a blessing for him to have that as a roommate, you know what I mean, and and then just to be able to like curate things together and like have these visions together, and now they're become a uh shit, a dynamic duo, but then add in Michael B. Jordan and a dynamic dynamic like a trio, you know what I mean? So I think that's such such a cool concept, and I and I always love hearing stories about people that like grow together and like build something together as they go um up and then get it hit the pinnacle. Um obviously they didn't get best picture, unfortunately, but I think that getting best uh score and best um original original screenplay is at least a solid, very solid consolation for that. And Michael B. Jordan again best actor. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:16

I agree, and I think to even piggyback off that point, man, it's always crazy when you got the beginning stages of your career. So obviously Ryan Cooper, we talked about him being broken when he was with his shorty. But like him probably sending Ludwig some material to score for him back in school or back fresh out of school, you know, he probably didn't have even the bread to do that, but their friendship prevailed, and then now that they're really raking in the M's, it's different, right? Now, like you said, I can take care of my dog, but because you were my dog in the beginning, we both needed each other. Like Ludwig probably didn't have the opportunities as well. He probably utilized Ryan Kugler to like practice his stuff, you know what I'm saying? Like it's just like cool that they both use each other, but in the in a beneficial way that was genuine. It wasn't like I'm using you and not effing with you no more. It's like, yeah, I need you, you need me, let's do this thing together, man. Let's figure this out together, bro. Like we're both like Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. Like it's kind of like similar but a little bit different.

SPEAKER_05 1:45:03

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:04

Sound winner was F1. So at least F1 won something. But you you mentioned it.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:09

I thought they were gonna win that regardless because we watched that on IMAX and that was beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:14

I said, they brought the cars in here?

SPEAKER_04 1:45:16

Fam, I felt like I was in the whip. I was like, what? Am I driving this? Let me turn real quick. Hey fam, like I was locked in. Like, fam, the sound was impeccable. Like, I felt like um from all the movies that we saw in theaters uh pertaining to this, I thought the sound from F1 was very deserving of how they were able to emulate uh racing in such a degree um that it felt like it was like kind of like Top Guard Maverick. Like I felt like it was your Top Guard Maverick, but in a car, like we talked about this before, Top Guard Maverick and cars. But like um the sounds from Top Gun Maverick are OD too, so I felt like it was just like a from a sound standpoint, it was perfect personally.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:52

And then one of my favorite scenes, like we talked about when Brad Pitt mentions that feeling of kind of being euphorically high when driving and silent in the theater drowned out. Uh man, that was that was amazing. All right, original. Meditation. Uh original screenplay. You just talked about it, but the winner. Um actually for original, the winner, uh wait, who won the original? I gotta do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:17

The original was uh Koog's and then adapted was there was one battle after another. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:22

Was that uh you think that was that was the solid solid choices?

SPEAKER_04 1:46:25

Yeah, I thought both were perfect because they were one-two all night. Um, so I felt like uh from an original, there was nothing better. Um uh do you remember? Let me see what the list was. Do you have the list up or no?

SPEAKER_03 1:46:36

I have the uh adapted list. I don't have the original list.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:40

Let me look at the original list. I have it right here. Uh yeah, Blue Moon, whatever. I didn't see it, so it didn't matter. Uh it was just an accident, didn't see it, so couldn't talk on it. Um Mari Supreme and Sentimental Value, um, which I was just like hmm, solid, solid, solid centers. Okay. Um personally. No, it wasn't it was a great script. I I thought it was uh uh the problem, but the problem with the kind of like F1, like I just said, um I felt like it was it was just a different version of Uncut Gems. It was like, you know what I mean? But there's I mean that that's not a problem at all, like you know what I mean? But it it's like it's like you're taking the motivation of like the exact same thing you did before and just putting it on somebody else in a different form and a different aspect, but it's like the underlying thing, the base was still like a chaotic guy that just gambles instead of gambling on with money, he gambles on himself, yeah. That's what that's what it is. And I felt like that was such a dope thing to see. Um, and maybe some people maybe, maybe I don't. I'm not gonna speak on it, but maybe if I had any gripes, would say like, oh, like maybe that's the reason why. Maybe uh maybe I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:53

But uh I think the tone they wrote, Marty Supreme, in the sense of like Timothy Chalamet has to speak so fast, I even I even saw he had to get like a dialect coach so he could speak up to the rhythm of how he speaks. Man, I thought that was so tough. Even some of the stuff he was saying, like it was slick, funny, but also like realistic. When he talked about like, how you know it's mine, like to pull out. I'm just like it's such a visceral scene, but a realistic conversation, like to put in a movie. And then when you write in the scene at the hotel, right? Well, when he falls to the bathtub, like I just felt like I really was thrilled watching that film, unpredictable moments that happen after one after another. And I just think that uh that was a credit to the screenplay for short. Yeah, so shout out to Mar Supreme, but like you said, I don't think that um, yeah, they you ain't messing with Sinners game. Come on, bro. Like I thought, like I said, like I think I think what goes into the movie. Come on, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:41

Yeah, I can't rob this pussy. He said that it's like, ooh.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:45

That's a bar.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:45

I'm not gonna lie. You know, because you're not gonna lie, when I watched it recently, I didn't I didn't hear, I didn't hear, I didn't know what he meant by it's not mine. Are you all your body you belong to somebody else? So then I didn't see that rob the part. I didn't, I I just thought the line was slick. I didn't know why she said it, as in like I didn't know, I didn't know she said it because he said that you're you're not mine, and then she said, Rob this pussy, and I said, Oh. So then when I rewatched it again, I was just like, Oh damn.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:17

And her character being one of the only ones that knows like the true nature of what Stack and Smoke just did. Because at that point, we still didn't know, remember? Because like I was a character.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:26

She already saw the play, she saw the play.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:27

She saw the play. He had the Irish beer, like Delta didn't know, but she knew that.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:31

She was perfect for that nigga start. I ain't gonna lie, she was perfect for that nigga stuff. Yeah, she she was. She was a she was the rider die that knew, and she was just like, she said, Yo, you taught me everything. He's like, Before I get one of these fuel bitches, to be it beat you up. And he's like, I'll beat every bitch. You taught me how to do that. All right. She said, Let me hold the piece.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:48

I'll go talk to them. Yeah, she was.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:55

Um That's funny, that's funny. Yeah, uh that the adapted screenplay, I think that um Uh one battle after another deserved it. Hamlet. Poof. This one's a loaded. This one's loaded. This one's loaded. This one's loaded. Frankenstein? Trained dreams?

SPEAKER_03 1:50:12

Did it compete with Shakespeare?

SPEAKER_04 1:50:13

Alright. Hamlet? I was like, ugh. Yeah, Hamlet's dumb. And Frankenstein because it's like a it's like an IP. So like Frankenstein's like OD, bro. Like everybody knows who Frankenstein is, though.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:25

I know this one's tough for you because you're not gonna because your experience of watching it, but I would even throw in begonia. I'm not gonna lie. I knew you were gonna say that no. I was gonna die.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:36

I didn't think the movie was shit, but uh, it just doesn't deserve to be in the echelon of of these other movies. For screenplay? No. Okay, Hamnet? Hamnet? That's Shakespeare, nigga. You ain't competing with that. So you're not competing with that, but you're not gonna be. We don't have to talk about that, obviously. And then we're talking about Frankenstein. Like that's crazy. And then bro, train dreams, niggas is sleeping on train dreams, bro. Train dreams was like uh it was very linear, like it wasn't like very complex, like Bogonia, like it wasn't like complex in that in that regard, but I think that from like as a man, as you know, like as a man that like wants to have a family, um uh wife, kids, and working hard to bring something to to that home and to come back after such a long time. And and you know, we'd be away from the house and the crib because we'd be hooping, and obviously what we want to do with movies and everything like that, what we're gonna be doing. Nigga, like I I wouldn't like you do you see, like I felt that in my soul, fam. Like, I don't know what about the movie, I don't know why. Like, I'm being serious, I don't know why what about that movie like made me feel like yo, like I felt it resonated, it resonated with me so much that it was like, bro, like this is like a beautiful movie. So that's why I I think that it's like low-key. Like, I'm not even gonna I can't put it on a lower end. Like, I think it was like one of the best ones of the year, personally.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:55

Nah, I like that one. I think one bath of the other has so many quotes, like you mentioned, ocean, ocean waves, just a few beers. Like that, those scenes were just like there's so many. The way they wrote this film was just incredible, man. Like, yo, what happened to Bob? He fell off the roof. Like, nah, that's like he's like, so where's that? Where's the skateboard? Like, that was just yeah, it was it was man.

SPEAKER_08 1:52:16

You been drinking today? I've had a few. A few what?

SPEAKER_03 1:52:19

A few small beers. The nigga said when uh you just got friends, you just got friends coming to the door like that? You just got all friends all coming through? He's like, listen, anything you do to her, I'll do it to you and your whole family, but 10 times worse. Nothing, man. We're talking about freedom.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:34

You you like black women? I love black women. I was like, oh, this nigga wild. And then the part where uh No, the Crippers Adventurers?

SPEAKER_03 1:52:42

Yo, whoever wrote that team's hilarious, man. He said he said, that's it, pfft, yeah, you're not gonna like this. She was black.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:51

I was like, it's like the way he read that line, you never thought. It was like the nigga killed somebody, but they're like, nah, nah. He's the black woman. I was like, oh my god, that's it. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_10 1:53:07

Tim, I'm gonna get right to it. Um there's an unconfirmed report that Colonel Stephen J. Lockjaw is the father of a mixed race child. Which mix. There's no real easy way to say this, but yeah. It's black.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:33

That was hilarious. Like the worst, the worst kind. That was funny, bro. That was that was hilarious. But let's uh take a quick time out before we get back to seeing the ends. We'll be back with act three. Don't go anywhere. We'll be back. What's going on? It's issue 71. Man, what the Oscar? We're talking about the Academy Awards that just happened. We had a great time breaking down some of the best categories, there's a few more left. But before we jump back into the Oscar news in terms of the categories, I already spoke to you about how this show technically, I guess when it comes to the viewership, it was like lacking uh in terms of like some of the other years. Um what do you think is the reason why the Oscars aren't as popular right now and what would make it popular again? Because I feel like right now they try to control the moment too much. Um, and we haven't even talked about this, Mar, but I think this is a perfect time to talk about it. But how effed up was it that whenever like a foreign film or like the uh international films one or someone like that will come up, fam, one person will speak for three seconds and then the next person will try to go and then it would just be a symphony of music. Orchestra, orchestra, the mic's trying to go away, they're playing music. One time it was so like disheartening because even one person was like, they try to stay on stage, they're like, No, just keep talking. And then yeah, K-pop, it was K-pop, the demon hunters, yeah, it was K-pop, demon hunters. And they cut away, and then you saw everyone just like, yo, what the F. And I felt that for them because the first award, any manigan, like she was stumbling, couldn't get her words together. They let her ramble on again. Very great speech, and we loved it, and it was genuine. But it just like, I don't like how they have a shot clock for some manners, and for other managers, they don't have a shot clock. It's actually insane to me. Like, I get best picture or like best director or like the heavy hitter categories, maybe getting some more time to speak because like that's what people you know came for. Like, that's the bigger awards. But at the same time, you gotta allocate for everybody to have enough time to speak, man. It's like one of their biggest moments of their life. Like, how are you gonna cut them off? So I think let people speak, um, let things go wrong. I think back then that was why things were like like fun and entertaining. Like award shows weren't like so premeditated. It's like again, we don't want to see Justin Timberlake, you know, ripping down Janet Jackson's thing and showing her titties, but like at the same time, like it does make for like better TV when like I wants to see titties. That's not what I'm saying. It does make for better TV when like certain things happen, like if someone falls by accident or something, uh like you said, when they misread the I mean, that was at the expense of unfortunately the movies. Not like yeah, yeah, you're right. Like all that stuff I think is is is important because it just shows how human it is. And like I said, I feel like the disconnect right now is that it's like Hollywood, and then when you think about like what's happening with the wars and with America and like overseas, and we don't have to get into the politics of things, but I feel like I think the rest of the world is looking at it like we don't care about like this awards show when real stuff is happening. Um, so I just think that right now it feels like a broadcast, and they need to somehow figure out a way to make it feel more like an event again. I think they should shorten the show a little bit, like three and a half hours or that was was a little bit too long. And uh I don't know. I think that yeah, like just let the let them let them be them, man. Let them be them. We got they gotta go back to like serving them drinks at the back or something, like when Kanye came out. Yo, I'm gonna let you finish this, but Beyonce, like they let them get twisted a little bit, let them do their thing. Like, I thought it was funny uh the Emmys when Snoop Dogg literally was like he was fried, bro. He's on stage uh about to receive the world. He said, yo, bro. This is a war show too long, bro. I had to smoke me a couple in the back. I'm hot as hell right now. I'm hot as a mother effort right now. I thought that was funny because like the TV couldn't blur it out. But the real winner. I'm hot as a motherfucker right now. Y'all had me here too damn long. Everyone laughed, like, and then uh the host has made a joke about it after. Like, we need stuff like that. Like, you know what I mean? It made every it makes the room feel more lighter. Like, yeah, and and so but what are your thoughts about like the Oscars maybe improving um when it comes to the awards show?

SPEAKER_04 1:57:45

I'm not like uh you know me, man. I'm not even like big on like Instagram and shit like that. Like, I don't know like what kind of brings people in um from that regard, like what kind of interests people, but um I think now man, it's like we talked about before, we talked about it before where it's just like there's just too many we're just seeing these people all the time. You know what I mean? Like Instagram and overexposure is like alright, but like I'm gonna see I just saw this nigga on Instagram, or I just saw this girl on Instagram, a woman on Instagram, and I'm like, why why do I would I watch an I'll just see the highlights? It's like it's like it's like high it's like it's like a culture with sports. Like, I'll just watch the highlights, I won't watch the full game. Or it's like it's like any news. It's like, oh, I'll just read uh something on Twitter about it. I won't watch uh, you know, I mean the news to see it. It's like we're just very cool, we we use our time is so valuable, but we make it seem like time is valuable, it's always been. But we act like the value of time means that we gotta shorten everything, but keep all of our time on these social media platforms and doing shit that we shouldn't be doing. So I think that uh that's what it is. I think that like people don't have the attention span to sit for three and a half hours to watch that. I think their attention span um because it with commercials and all these little breaks, these bits, um, movies that they didn't they don't care about, international film, sound, they don't care about casting, they don't care about all they care about is the four what major major uh groups or five major groups, and and that's it, right? And that's what everybody sits through for. Um that's why they put best actor and best pitcher at the end because they're like uh we know we're gonna sit through to watch that.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:17

And they start to show off with like the best actors.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:20

Supporting actress, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So and then best uh supporting actor and stuff like that. So I don't know. I think that uh I think that they're they're I think the bits are good for sure. Um and I think the comedy is obviously good as well. Um I just think that like the room is so like you said serious. They might just need to start handing out Coke again or something, because that's what they used to be too. Um they used to have that candy in the back, and the candy in the back, they used to just like you know what I mean, get get right to it. But I don't know what I don't know what they need, but something something is like lacking in that department. But I don't think that's just an Oscars thing. I think that's just a general thing. I think a lot of people like um their attention span. Um and then on top of that, like like I said, the overexposure is just like it's like you know what I mean, like you do how do you even know when the Emmys are on? You know what I mean? Like like unless you like it used to be it used to be on news, like you know I mean how we would see it's like it was on news, like the Emmys on tonight, the Oscars on tonight. Like the only way you have to look that up is by going to unless you're following movie uh pages, uh C and DMs, if you're following all these things, you're not gonna see you're not gonna see this stuff. But then when you uh when you're like living a regular life, you're not gonna see it advertised on the street. You know what I mean? Unless you're in LA or something like that. Like you're not gonna be see it advertised on billboards, you're not gonna be it's it's not like that no more. So and people don't really watch uh cable television, so you're not gonna really see that. So I think that's what the problem is. It's very unfortunate, of course, but I don't I don't think there's like much they can really do. Um I was just hoping that people will come back to it. And um, even with such a great year of movies, it's like fam, it was like one of the best years of the movies, and still nobody watched. Like, come on now. Like, there was no way I was missing this year, still. There's no way. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:04

Bro, you you I ain't gonna lie, bro. You you're you're here. You came to this podcast like rap city little way, big took a little way fast. Guys spit in bare facts today. Uh, you always usually spit fast, but today I don't know. I feel like you deserve to be like on an actual platform. Like, no, no, like I like to rewatch it like on like a movie box, like a real like uh couch, because then you made some great points. Like the overexposure is such a great like point. When I think about Leo, I feel like I was so excited to see him on screen because I never see him. Like I only see him in a movie or or at the award show. Like, you know, obviously they talk about him in the tabloids, whatever, he's on a yacht or whatever, but like in terms of like Leo doesn't run his own Instagram, and when he does, he's speaking about climate awareness. He's not yeah, you know, showing like all phases of his life. So I definitely agree with that. And I think that people like back then, when it came to De Nero's, the Robin Williams, the Denzel's, like all those guys, like they're they're from the school of like, yeah, we don't have social media, and even if they did, like Denzel, like like I think one of the advices he told uh Michael B. Jordan growing up was like, yo, yeah, like you can't do every interview, like people give people some time to miss you. I think that's why MPJ is one of those movie stars too now that is like he plays the background a lot. Like MPJ does do a lot on screen, but off-screen, MBJ be private as hell, bro. You don't really know anything if it wasn't for Lori Harvey, bro, you would never know, like like all that private stuff about his life wouldn't have came out. It was because Lori brought all that to MBJ. Like before that, you never heard nothing about MBJ and dating women or celebrities or none of that, bro. You just knew him for his work. So I agree with you when it comes to that. I think too, the second part of that, Merv, personally, I think, but this is like the catch 22, right? Because like we just talked about Timothy Chalamet not winning, Jacob Ballardi winning. So I think that is what messes up the ratings in terms of like people around our age. Because like people around our age are don't have the same connective tissue, like you said, the everyday casual fan doesn't like know Amy Madigan. Or when Amy Madigan won, I was like, Oh damn, Ed Harris's wife won. Like, you know, I knew that she was married to Ed Harris already because we love Ed Harris, so like I already know a little bit about his life in terms of that, and I knew his wife was an actress. I'm not gonna sit here and say I watched every Amy Madigan movie or like the biggest Amy Madigan fan, but I knew enough, and I think that that there's there's a disconnect with it comes to the age, like with the movie stars. If Zendaya won something that night or was competing for something, like Challenger should have been in the Oscars two years ago, but wasn't like if Zendaya won something, I feel like that would have brought more to like the the the event. If Sydney Sweeney, her controversy was you know nominated for something, not saying that you have to be deserving of it for sure. So like you have to put in the performance, but if Timothy was like, yeah, if the Oscars want like more ratings and people to care, especially around our age, then they're gonna need to like involve the younger community a little bit more somehow. I don't know how they do that, but they gotta do it somehow. Even if it's like you can't change up the criteria just so you can have more views. That's true. That's true. I'm not you know that's what I'm saying. I don't want to change up the wins.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:49

I feel like that's changing the rules just so that you get more people to watch. Like, I don't I don't think uh how much do they really do you really care if people watch? As long as they can show up to the movie theater, I mean that's all you really care about, you know what I mean? But I mean the but the more people watch Oscars, the more people that show up to movie theater. So it's like you said, okay, it's like a catch 22.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:06

So I don't know. You know what? I don't think that they should win, but I think that they should be like, I don't know what's that game of like how we talk about categories, yeah, or something, or or I would have had Timothy and and what's her name, uh uh Kylie um like presenting the words, you know what I'm saying? Because then it's like the Kardashian, you know, like it or love it or hate them, like they bring in a mass of people. So it's like, oh, okay, cool. Now they're on stage.

SPEAKER_04 2:04:32

They showed it like they showed it like twice. Yeah, like twice. Yeah, friends.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:35

This is like a peak, a peak, a peak like celebrity person in our in our culture, you know what I'm saying? And again, I think that just different moments like that. Um, if they're able to show like maybe younger, younger actors, like you said, I don't think they should win because then it would change the criteria of things. Then you're like you're kind of giving in to the times of like, oh, you're moving the goalposts, which I don't agree with. But I think there needs to be more of including the younger categories so that people like us and around our age group can care that are not involved in movies. Because like none of my teammates are like none none of the people I like know about cared about the Oscars coming up. And like you said, back then they actually did. Uh now is it because there's too many things on TV or too many options? Maybe that's another conversation, but I don't know. I just even the Grammys, too, like they've been losing ratings as well. Again, I know it's because of like people are hating on the system and they don't you know always get it right with who they choose, so there's a lot of backlash with that. But I don't know. I think there is a correlation, like you said, between if there's a lot of people watching the Oscars, then people do care about movies and vice versa. But I think that was very interesting. Yo, top 10 films of 2025, man. What do you think? You have to build that list. Who do you think your top 10 films in order or not in order? Nah, not in order. I think that would be too tough to do right now, one to ten, but I mean Sinners is number one, so it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:42

But uh outside of that, uh um, I'll say damn, I might actually uh already have in my top and in in ten order. Um I'll go Sinners, uh one battle after another, uh Hamnet, uh Marty Supreme So that's four. Uh Weapons Strange Frankenstein Avatar Fire Nash. That's that's that that's probably that that's probably my top ten there.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:33

I think we have like like usual. I think we have a lot of crossover. Uh I gotta find a way to put Zootopia 2 on there though. I was that's what that's the that was a tough one.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:43

That was a tough one.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:43

Yeah, I'm done.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:44

By the way, we just want to clarify this is top ten movies of top twenty five uh of 2025 that were nominated in the Oscars. Just so specify, not that our top top ten of top 2025. Just want to put that out there.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:57

Oh, well, and that's the case. The Zootopia should have been nominated for some. I don't know if it was just too late. No, Zootopia 2? They were. Yeah. Oh, they were?

unknown 2:07:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:05

Oh, yeah. For an animated, animated film. You're right. Um, but yeah, Zootopia 2 for sure should be on there. Uh damn, see, I was gonna put Ballerina, but yeah, that didn't, that didn't get nominated. But that was definitely one of the better movies I saw last year. Oh no, I mean, I mean, if you want to change it, that but that's what we I mean, that's uh uh but man, you know what reminds me of like when we talked about Mission Impossible, I'm surprised that they didn't get but that's what I'm saying. I guess there's no stunt category, like what would time like not screenplay, maybe visuals, like that that biplane scene. I know we talked about it being like could have been better, but like uh the new Mission Impossible, the last one. Like, I don't know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:44

They have to have a stunt category. They need to have best stunt of the year.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:48

Even the when he went underwater, I thought that scene was incredible, like yeah, like from a visual standpoint.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:53

Like yeah, when he dove and then the submarine got him, and they were just like, Well, what would you have done if you didn't get it?

SPEAKER_03 2:07:58

Like, how do you even film that, fam? That's not CGI. Like, I I don't know. I I wish that they, but yeah, okay, cool. All right, so the last two categories that we have is um the yeah, I guess the the bit the big ones, bro. So the best actors. Let's talk about that one. Who who do you think uh deserved deserved to win?

SPEAKER_04 2:08:14

And who do you think deserved? Deserved? She did Jesse Jesse Buckley deserved to win that. Did her thing. The agony. She like, she like that that pain, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:24

Like that's one of the things that like she was crying, and I said, nah, yeah, I said relax.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:28

I said yeah, like I like I felt that. Like I felt like that was like true. Like, you know what I mean? I didn't feel like that was acting. I felt like that was that was real, bro. And I think that's the I seen I seen uh a Bradley Cooper talk about it, and he said he watched Hamlet, and he's like, Yo, Jesse Buckley, she's like, Yo, she's one hell of an actor. When what she did in that scene where the this the where Hamlet passed away, yes, like and she screamed, and they said it was funny enough, it was like actually like the third take, third or second take, and she was just like emotional and and like like she she developed such a bond with the kids that she like felt that emotion. That that's why that scream and that like that that raw emotion that came out was like like damn near real, even though it wasn't her kid, like it was like that connection that she had with them, like it was such an interesting thing.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:11

So, that scene alone that should have got her hurt.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:37

But then when she went to the play and she started acting up, and like you can see like her like hurt in that bro, I'm just I don't know, man, when people play hurt like that hurt feeling, but like real hurt, not like that like screaming and crying the entire time, but that hurt where it's like yo, like it's it what it does to you like mentally and and physically and how you look and and like that shit that makes a a a great actor. Um I feel like I I feel like I feel like when you when it's like I can tell you're acting, like that, I felt like bro. I felt like they really had beef. Like her and uh Shake Shakespeare had beef. Like I really like she was just like why are you here? When I could go back, do what you do, like you know what I mean? Leave us alone, but like we'll be all right, like you know what I mean? Like, yeah. She's like, you don't want to go see the like she was just the way she was acting, dog. Like I just felt like it was like well deserved. Um and and Kate Hudson did her thing in Song Song Blue. I loved her in Song Song Blue. I thought she did a great job in that. She did. Like I said, I I didn't really like uh if I had legs, I'd kick you. Um personally. Why don't you like it? You never told me it was just like a I don't know. I just thought it was like weird. Like I didn't really like outside of the hamster dying, uh, that shit was hilarious. Um and then like it it just didn't make sense to me. You know what I mean? Like if you're gonna talk about a movie making sense, then then talk about that one. It was like the whole represented like the whole in her life or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:01

It was like a yeah, it was like Yeah, you see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 2:11:03

Like, and then I'm like, what? Like, what are we what are we doing here? And then like the part where ASAP her stomach thing, and I was like, oh yeah, yeah, you yeah, cut this movie off still.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:13

And then her and yeah, she was a grieving, not grieving mother, but like a trying, struggling mother that felt like she couldn't do anything right and getting blamed by her husband who wasn't doing any work and he wasn't around. Then her and the ASAP character, like, I didn't it didn't really make sense to me. I didn't get their dynamic, yeah, yeah. You was like trying to be helpful, but she was being an asshole to him.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:28

Like, I was like, And then they were just trying to buy cocaine and weed online and we go for it. Like what you left your baby in the room and went to and left and like went to the house and like this nigga broke his leg and you left him there. Like it was it was just like it was just like it didn't make sense. Like it's not this is not a this is not like uh I didn't feel like it was like it felt like a mom that's going through a lot, of course, but it just felt like a weird version of it. Like you never showed the the kid's face until the end, yeah. You never did any I don't know, I just felt like it was weird. I felt like it was weird. Fair enough.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:00

I I think you're right though. They were they got it. That was the the one that should have won for that category. Uh hands down. Yeah, but but but but Emma Stone is suffering from what we talked about. Matter of fact, I'll put her in the Timothy show. I mean, I know she's a little bit older, but I put her in that. Yeah, she did, but she gets nominated for a lot. So it's like, you know what I mean? She gets recognized a lot. I think the last five years, she's gotten like a whole bunch of nominees, right? Like, I know she got nominated for poor things. I know she got nominated for uh um another what was the other she did poor things in another kind of like unusual, kind of weird, quirky movie. Um you know what I'm talking about, but yeah, I know what you're talking about. She also got nominated for that one too. Um, so yeah, I think I think for her, it's like one of those things where she's like one of the best women in the industry. So like she she has a potential to be on Merrill Street where she could in the future um win some more awards, but like her her name will always be in the conversation because whatever performance she gives, no matter what it is, is uh phenomenal. But um for actor in a lead role, I know it's Michael B. Jordan, but you know, nominees to Timothy Chalamet, obviously uh for Marty Supreme, yeah, Lee DiCaprio, Leonardo DiCaprio for one bath to another, Ethan Hawk for Blue Moon, and Wagna Mora for Secret Agent. Um, how come what do you think it happened, man? Uh I know we talked about it privately, but I want to hear your thoughts on the pod. Like, what do you think happened? Because Timothy Chalamet seemed, sounded like, and felt like a shortcut winner. Um that's a lie, though. I'm not gonna cap. You definitely like when we first saw Sinners, you're like, yo, Michael B. Jordan for sure. Hands down. Like you've you've been dying on that hill or living on that hill, whatever you want to say, streaming from the mountaintops and saying that his performance deserved it. Um yeah, I'm wondering what like do you think it was a discourse we know Timothy 70 said about ballot ball uh ballet?

SPEAKER_04 2:13:49

I mean, he said that so late, bro. Like they said that the ballots were already in. Like they said like their ballots were in for a minute before that. And like even like during his campaign, like his cat, they said the ballots been in. You know what I mean? Like it's like I feel that's what I that's what I saw. They said it was very ignorant for people to think that that really held a place in that in the city.

SPEAKER_03 2:14:08

I always thought that because like, what does that have to do with performance? Like, what is what he what he does in his private life, what does it have to do with the movie? I get that it could kind of smear the campaign because uh us doing this now, we've learned about the campaign and how people pay for it. Like, I even saw last year, I don't know if you saw the stat Murp, but when they said Honora, Anora said they spent half of their money, like like almost more money than they spent on like the movie on like the campaign for the Oscars, but it paid off because they ended up winning, like I said, Best Picture, Best Uh Screenplay, uh Original Screenplay, and uh Mikey Madison, one of them best actors to a super young age. But so I ended up working out, and like you said, not forever. When you put out your your your movie, you could be like it's Oscar nominated, it's or it's Oscar winner, like it's Oscar this, Oscar that. So like people pay, but we've heard about this with payola, you know, studios, uh labels, regulars playing radios for more spins or for more play or to be on rap caviar, to be on a playlist. We hear about it uh just in general. So like I don't know, that whole campaign stuff is like interesting to me because I still don't know the inner workings of it, but I can I I that's why I'm saying I'm confused, bro. Because Sean Penn didn't do nothing. Like Sean Penn, like we've been on vacation, bro. I think he went to the Emmys, and after that, he hasn't been like at any of the luncheons or like any of these, like you know, Ryan Cooler's been playing the game, like Michael B. Jordan has been playing the game, but like they don't do that every year, so it doesn't feel as overexposed. Timothy's been doing this because like he did it with um the movie where he did Bob Dylan, um uh A Complete Unknown. So I feel like you said like he's just always been the voter's face. And then what I think happens, which again is another catch-22, is that he because Timothy I think is opposite of the character he played in Marty Supreme, right? Timothy's actually a humble guy, he's a cool guy, fam. Like I've seen him on the on Mellows podcast, like he's a man who loves the Knicks, like you know what I mean? Like he's a cool like guy, he's not like a cocky, you know what I'm saying? The soldier boy dance he's doing in high school, he went to a school of Jilliar of Arts and all that. The yeah, the the campaign that he went on when he was when he was promoting Marty Supreme. It was insane. Yeah, he was being mild, he was being uh what's his name? Uh what's the main character's name? Marty. He was being uh Hauser, he's being Marty Hauser. Like that's what he was being. He was that was the key. He didn't leave that character when he was selling the Supreme Jackets, when he was going on talk shows, when he went on Drewski's, could have been like, come on, bro. Like he wouldn't have been on could have been records if he was in this phase, you know what I mean? Like he was doing that, but but it worked, Merv. Like that was a $100 million movie, and I think he did enough to promote the movie to the point where he made the movie a success financially, and now we could really be like, There's no questions about Timothy Chatterme being a movie star, bro. Like this guy could be in he could lead in Dune, but he could also lead in a ping pong movie and make a hundred million dollars, right? Yeah, but then he could also be Wonka, but then he could also be in Calling by he could be in all these different films now and they're making money. So I think it worked, but like you said in the text chain, I think that that turned a lot of people off, man, because they thought that that was him, they thought that was like his personality for a long time.

SPEAKER_04 2:17:00

That's what I that's one of the one of the I hate when people do that, the anonymous. It was an anonymous uh committee member that said that oh, he's a pompous, uh like an arrogant, pompous guy, like that he doesn't deserve it and nobody really likes him and stuff like that. It's just crazy because like when somebody shows that they want to win, they show that they want to be a part of it, and like it's like if you play it cool, they'll treat you better, but then also they won't treat you better because you won't get promoted because nobody will know who you are. It's like a it's like a weird thing. Like he's young, he wants to be in the space, he actually appreciates it, he actually like cares, you know what I mean? Like he cares enough to promote it, he cares enough to be there, he cares enough all about this, and you guys like treat it like uh like he's being too arrogant because of how he is. Like, you know, fam, you've all seen like you guys you literally give people awards for being method actors. And just because his method acting went on for longer because he was trying to promote his film, like come on, guys, like that's the whole point of it. Like, you know what I mean? So I don't know. I think that uh a lot of these people, like they the community memb members need to be like shown like who the hell they are. I feel like there's a lot of them that just like are people that like don't really they like some of them even said they don't even watch the movies. Yeah, that's like how do you watch some of the movies? You know what I mean? Like how do you not watch some of the movies and then you're voting on it? Like that's that's the part that I get annoyed by. So I don't that's why I at times I'm like, yo, I don't take it seriously. Like, I don't you can't hold that, you you gotta take it at face value because I don't think that like they even take it seriously. So that's what I say about that, and that's why I don't take it. But obviously, when there's a win, there's a win. When there's a win, when a man you know wants to win, wins like Michael B. Jordan deservedly. Like, you know what I mean? Like I'll take that. But when you lose, it's just like, well, they didn't really watch my performance anyway. Like, that's all that's all I should. If I was Timothy, Timothy, I'd be like, I bet. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's just I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing. Eventually, you know, I mean, the Oscars are gonna be begging for me to be there and winning, you know what I mean? Like, you think like you think Leo needs the Oscars? You think Denzel needs the Oscars? You think any of these like Will Smith needs you need you think any of these people need the Oscars? Like the Oscars needs them.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 2:19:03

Like, imagine, imagine, um, imagine Martin Scorsese. Imagine um can't James Cameron. Imagine imagine all these directors have gone all their lives without winning an award from the Oscars. You think that looks better on who who do you think it looks bad on? It looks bad on the director or it looks bad on the Oscars? Because I'll tell you this, it would look to me, it looked bad on the Oscars. Because you're telling me that those directors with these pile of movies that we've all seen that are elite have never won an Oscar, and you have certain movies that have, yeah, you you you're all your credibility is out the window. So out the window.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:36

Yo, you know what's insane about what you just said? I think hear me on now, because I know you might not agree. I think sinners not winning best picture is better for the legacy of sinners because of what you just said. I think in 10, 15, 20, 30, 40 years, we're always gonna be like, yo, it's crazy that sinners never won because of blah blah blah blah blah. Whereas if they did win, I think it sucks because I think sometimes when when when people do win, it's like an easy, forgettable one. Where but like, but when it's like something like this, where it's this egregious, not egregious, like I said, I think one battle another.

SPEAKER_04 2:20:05

Yeah, it's kind of like 1A, 12, 1B, 1A.

SPEAKER_03 2:20:07

But like this is definitely gonna be like I know, I know 30 years from now, me, you're gonna be like, yo, yo, Sinners should have won. Like, and that's gonna bring up the topic and conversation of Sinners. Oh, yeah, Sinners was classic, Sinners was a masterpiece. So I think for the legacy of Sinners, it like again, I would have loved for it to have won and swept the awards or did what it did. Again, I'm a big PTA fan, so I'm happy that Leo, PTA, all the success there, Tiana Taylor, all that stuff. But I just think I was thinking about the other day where I was like, like, because you just made that point about sometimes who does it look bad on? Like, we're just gonna blame the Oscars. Like, y'all keep getting it wrong, bro. Like, how so I but I think MBG M M B J was well deserved. Um again, I I don't I think he's a great performer, man. I think he's a great performer. Uh, I I wouldn't people try to like talk down on his acting. I don't I don't know how they can do that. I think he's also a really good actor.

SPEAKER_04 2:20:55

I won't say he's like a De Niro, like you know what I mean, but everyone has their own lane, like Yeah, but you can't you can't get the compare De Niro to Denzel. Like, you know what I mean? Those are two different actors.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:04

It's like comparing a center to a PG or something.

SPEAKER_04 2:21:06

Like, you can't compare Shaq, you can't uh compare Shaq to Alan Everison. Like, those are two completely different players.

SPEAKER_03 2:21:13

Exactly. I hate that this this narrative of MBJ and and but what I will say is that when he does link up with uh Ryan Kugler, I think he does bring out the best of MBJ for sure. I think he it's kind of like when Snoop and Dr. Dre get together on a track, or when certain producers and artists are rapping or you know together on a track, like there's they have that formula that I don't think that other directors or movies have been able to necessarily consistently bring out for MBJ. Yeah, and that's not an MBJ problem. That's like literally just like how directors utilize them or whatever. Because at Fruitville Station, the Creeds, like it's like, oh, MBJ has like depth, he has emotional layers, he has all these things, and then when you see him in some other movies, you're like, oh, okay, it's cool, like it's not a bad performer, it's just like it is what it is. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 2:21:56

Yeah, like that awkward moment, like he's he played different characters, bro. He's played a superhero, he's played Chronicle in Chronicle before he even played it in Killmonger. He he played the awkward guy that doesn't get the girl in that awkward moment with with him and and and and and three buddies. Like, yo, he's been in movies, he's obviously in the wire. Uh hardball as a kid, like, bro, like he's been in movies, bro. Like, he he can act and he can do his thing. So um the lane that he's in, like, is different. Everybody's uh everybody's journey is different, you know what I mean? Like some people may be a little more uh closer, like you know what I mean. I'll say like Al Pacino, Robert De Niro, and like even Leo are like more in their like you know I mean they kind of are similar in that regard. Like I think like a Denzel is more similar to like I don't know, like uh Will Smith. Honestly, like I know I mean like that's kind of it. And I'm not even talking about race, like racism has nothing to do with it.

SPEAKER_03 2:22:45

No, I think even if you call it Tom Hanks and that type of thing, like yeah, like I think.

SPEAKER_04 2:22:49

Yeah, like Tom Hanks, Denzel, like you know what I mean? Like it's kind of a weird one. Like, I think Tom Hanks is more like he'll do animated films than he and then you know I mean like that's it's just like the different lanes. Like I feel like Tom Hanks, Ryan Gosling seem like kind of like a they kind of fit, you know what I mean? Because Ryan Gosling will do an animated, he'll do a Barbie.

SPEAKER_05 2:23:06

Yeah, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_04 2:23:07

Tom Hanks will do the same. He'll do a toy he'll do a Toy Story, then he'll do a Forrest Gump, then he'll do a Philadelphia, you know what I mean? Like I feel like there's there's there's just different people that would do different things that will take different roles. Um like I feel like Will Smith, Tom Cruise are more like, yeah, those are the you know what I mean, those are those guys, like Tom Cruise, Will Smith, the action stars that I'm in it for money. You know what I mean? Like that's that's what I'm in it for.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:31

So things are different, then you think because now MBJ has the Thomas Crown affair, I think they're coming out with the Creed 4. Uh I I saw two more other things a part of Oh, he's a part of the new Miami Vice reboot with Austin Butler. With hopefully Tom Cruise. Tom Cruise being a villain? Are you sick? We've been begging, CND has been begging for Tom Cruise to lean him back into that villainous role uh because we saw what he did, obviously Tropical Thunder. That's a little bit more on the comedic side. But what he did in collateral, I think is immaculate. Uh I don't know. Is he a bad guy and a digger? I don't know. I don't know. I can't tell. I don't really watch the training. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 2:24:08

I don't even know what this is a I don't even know what's a big one. I don't know what's about. I don't want to know. I just I'm just happy.

SPEAKER_03 2:24:11

I just want to I want to see it. But uh MBJ has so many new projects on his schedule. Obviously, Thomas Crown affair, I think he's directing it as well. Uh and he's and he's his co-star, Adrina or Ariana. Um, I'm very jealous of Jason Lamore. Uh and I can say these things now, yes. Uh but um uh I think that MBJ is gonna have such a like bigger spotlight on him, and I don't know if that's gonna be more pressure or more eyes, but what do you think is next for him in terms of like the success? And then do you think he has an opportunity to either be nominated again or to win another award that you think is cook?

SPEAKER_04 2:24:45

Um I think he I think he I think in his future, I'm not sure if he'll win another one. Um, but now I don't think it will matter. I think that now it's like it's like when you it's like when you uh it kind of, kind of, kind of. It's like when you reach the mountain. It's like Dirk when Dirk won his championship in 2011. He was just like, I've done everything now. Like I won a championship, got MVP, did everything, I finals MVP, like I'm etched. I'm gonna keep playing. Like, do I care as much? Nah, you know what I mean? Like, I can just do what I do, like play my game and not have the that stress of having to win and to win this or I won't be this kind of thing. So I think that that's what it is for Michael B. Jordan now. I think that he's able to like just now be in films he wants to be in, direct films that he wants to direct, and like write films that maybe he never thought he could write because he wasn't an Oscar winner. Now he can write something and direct something that he can actually star in and be the director, be the the writer and s and and lead and and stuff like that. So I'm just excited for his future and in that because he feels like he's uh he's uh savant. I feel like he really wants to soak in all the the gems and and I feel like he's very serious about his craft. So that's what I think is the best part about him. I think it's gonna be him and I mean he's older. I mean, how old is he? Damn it, he's born in 87. Yeah, I think old as hell. Um, but uh so it's not the same as like Timothy, but he's gonna be he's gonna be fighting with like Miles Teller. I think Miles Teller should be up there with him. Him and Miles should be like competing uh for the next like years to see who's gonna be, you know what I mean, taking home a couple more or whatever the case may be. So that's a fact. Good point.

SPEAKER_03 2:26:24

All right, we're almost at the end of the episode. It's been a long one, but we have to review the Oscars the right way. It's time for the QT hater aid segment. Um, if Kirin, if Quentin Tarantino's watching this again, we're sorry. I know you're probably disagreeing with half over his name because you're a hater. No, you're a hater, fam. So I mean, what do you want us to do? Yeah, well, you but that's the point. You're a hater, so that's why we're using your name for this. QT hater aid. Um, man, listen, I think for me, if we're gonna keep the Oscars related, I don't like this. Is call me technical, but this would really grind my gears, is that I don't like that the Oscars is in with I it I guess it makes sense, but I don't like how the Oscars takes place in in the year that it's not like that they're not yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:27:08

I do not like that either. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:27:09

I get it, Christmas and is like you know, a holy holiday, and it's like you can't put the Oscars at the end of December because of the Christmas holidays, so that probably wouldn't make sense. Yeah, and and there could be like you know, obviously, as we movie that's movies, yeah, yeah. So I get that, but they there has to be another solution, bro, because it is so confusing sometimes when I'm trying to, and we've done it before with like the draft where I picked a movie and you're like, bro, that movie came out in 2003, not 2004. I'm like, oh well, damn. Well, it got released at like I don't like that, bro. Because even when doing the research for this, and it's like it gets you confused, it's like confusing. I'm confused. I'm confused. And then, like you said, I don't like how you know Sinners damn near came out a year ago, because what it came out last April or something like that, right? It came out like yeah, like almost a year ago, and like we're it's cool, we're still talking about it, but like it took so long. And and like you said, like you know, I mean people are working on different projects, people are doing a whole different like man's forgot about it, and and I forgot about it, but I'm saying, like, in general, like you and remember how you were talking about like you hope because Sinners came out earlier, that doesn't get forgotten, and thank God they let on and lived on. But I don't like that some fields can come out and we forget about it, like, oh yeah, Battle Rena did come out in the beginning of the summer, or this movie did come out in the beginning. So I don't know what the solution would be, but it does piss me off that they they they hold it in March, and it's like, yeah, this is the 2020, it's 2026 game. Like I'm like, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_04 2:28:29

So what what's your QT hater aid of the week? If we're on uh if we're on Oscar's uh talk, I will have to go with my Haterade of the Week is committee members that are like, Oh, I don't need to watch this. Yeah, I don't need to watch this, but you're voting and and giving into like you know I mean you're or you're a part of people's livelihoods and you're over here saying, Oh, I don't need to watch this. Like my like, what do you mean you don't need to watch it? You're you're a part of the committee that needs to watch movies. And I mean, if you if that's gonna be the case, why don't you guys pick people that actually want to watch movies? Yeah, I mean, like it doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense to me how you're part of a committee that does not want to watch movies. So kind of confusing to me, it kind of pissed me off because I'm like, there's people like us that would gladly take your spot, get paid just to so we can watch movies and rate movies on the death for based on that. And vote, yeah, like see what I'm saying. So I feel like that it might be older people, maybe it might be older. I don't know who's in the committee, it might be older people and stuff like that, but I just think that that's not like you you do see that I guess now in sports, like like we I don't want to keep putting everything through basketball, but you see MVPs that were managed, like, yeah, like he deserves to be first team, and it's like, what are you talking about? Like, or he doesn't deserve to be first team, but this man was the MVP. Uh huh. Like what you see what I'm saying? Like that makes it make sense. Yeah, so and clearly you don't watch the games, you just watch highlights and stuff like that. So that's why I just don't um I personally don't like that, and and that's what I hate about the the Oscars and the committee. Um, and they need to do a better job with that if they want to be taken seriously. No, I agree. That's a great point.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:02

All right, man. We're at the heat check. Oh, my guitar. We're at the heat check.

SPEAKER_06 2:30:07

Uh that should just start playing by itself.

SPEAKER_03 2:30:11

There you go. There we go. That scared me for real. Um, yeah, we're at the heat check Mobit.

SPEAKER_01 2:30:20

Heat up!

SPEAKER_03 2:30:22

Man, I know you got some questions, bro. So go ahead, bro.

SPEAKER_04 2:30:24

All right, bro. I don't have a lot. Um I don't have a lot. I just have uh I have this one that I said I was gonna ask you. Um uh if you can name first one is uh can you name two other well-known actors who are also banned from the Oscars? Or was banned in previous years.

SPEAKER_05 2:30:48

Or was banned.

SPEAKER_04 2:30:49

Yeah, there's one guy that you should know for sure, like for sure. Um he I'm not giving you any guesses, but there's one guy for sure, and then there's another man that started the whole movement, so they that should be easy.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:02

Start the whole movement. Uh is there I get any hints, bro?

SPEAKER_04 2:31:08

Uh the only one I'll give uh will be the nigga old.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:18

I said he's old. Uh I honestly don't know. I'm gonna just guess. Um it's two people. Just two. Who haven't I seen? I say Joe Pesci as one of them, because I haven't seen this guy in forever.

SPEAKER_04 2:31:34

Okay. Uh is Mel Gibson bad for the Oscars? No, no, not on the list that I'm seeing.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:43

Um yeah, that was that'll be my my two guesses. Who is it? This is actually interesting.

SPEAKER_04 2:31:49

Uh one, like I said, started a movement. Harvey Weinstein. That should have been very easy. Should have been very easy. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_03 2:31:56

I'm sorry, Harvey wasn't at the top of my mind.

SPEAKER_04 2:31:58

Uh yeah, I don't know why you didn't uh get that. Um that's number one, and Richard Greer.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:07

Richard Gere, what why what was wrong with him?

SPEAKER_04 2:32:09

Huh? Why'd they ban him? Uh they banned him because if I'm not mistaken, you didn't um one second.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:18

Yeah, I would want to say.

SPEAKER_04 2:32:19

Well, he was given a two-decade ban in 1993 after he criticized the Chinese government on stage at the Oscars. In 2013, he was again invited back as a presenter.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:31

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 2:32:32

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. Right? Very interesting. Um, alrighty. Oh, what year did Christopher Nolan win his first Oscar?

SPEAKER_03 2:32:42

2008?

SPEAKER_04 2:32:43

Incorrect.

SPEAKER_03 2:32:44

Oh, wait, wait, hold on.

SPEAKER_04 2:32:45

You're all over the place. 2024 for Oppenheimer. Who won best supporting uh best supporting actor role in 2011? Best supporting actor role in 2011? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:00

Hey! Uh best supporting acting role in 2011. Uh oh man, I don't I don't know, bro. All the men that I'm thinking of, nah. Can't think. Who is it?

SPEAKER_04 2:33:18

Uh Christian Bale for the fighter. Mark Walbert.

SPEAKER_03 2:33:24

Would you have gotten that or not? No, I thought he I didn't even know he had an Academy Award, to be honest.

SPEAKER_04 2:33:30

Alright, pick a year. So the year over three. Pick a year and I'll give you uh pick a year and I'll help you out. Uh uh I'll pick it, I'll pick something from that year. 94. 94. 94, let's do it. Fuck it. Oh, I mean, yeah, forget it. Uh 2014. I mean, 2000, I mean 1994. Ooh. Which one should I do? Alright, I'm gonna do I'm gonna do this, this is gonna be a tour. All right. Who won actor in a leading role in nineteen ninety four?

SPEAKER_03 2:34:06

Who won an actor in a leading role in nineteen ninety four? This is what's gonna mess me up because like the whole Paul Fiction thing, uh but I don't think it won. Who won I get a hint?

SPEAKER_04 2:34:17

We said his name actually, and actually that movie we actually did I I I actu I actually said his name and the movie earlier in this this episode. I specifically said the movie. I actually said the movie, which is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 2:34:31

I said I said the actor's name and the movie. Like we haven't been talking about actors the whole fucking I know, but this is 1994, so think. It has to be like wait, did he understand? You said okay, you said al Pacino. No.

SPEAKER_04 2:34:48

I feel like you said Al Pacino. I I I I said Al Pacino, but I said I thought you froze. This guy's free. No, no, no. I sorry for I sorry for buffer fuck up. Um I didn't know this guy was buffering. I did say Al Pacino, I did say Al Pacino, but it's not Al Pacino. It's not Al Pacino. Who is it? You're not gonna guess? Damn. It is Tom Hanks, Philadelphia. I literally just said that.

SPEAKER_06 2:35:16

Oh, wow!

SPEAKER_04 2:35:17

I said I said the movie. You're not listening. Yeah, no, I'm not lucky right now.

SPEAKER_03 2:35:21

Alright, that's all for four, please. You yo, let's go, let's go 2025.

SPEAKER_04 2:35:26

Why not? Oh, uh oh, okay. No, this is this is a two-part question. This is a two-part question. Oh, okay. And who was the actor in a supporting role for 1994? You always talk about this movie, bro. Always, always talk about this movie. Always talk about this movie. Always talk about this movie. Always talk about this movie, bro. Uh supporting, supporting, supporting. Uh you always talk about this movie, bro. And I'm not talking about like heat, talk about this movie. I mean like Yeah. It's not Edward Norton, is it? No. It's not Gary Oldman, is it? Nope. Alright, who is it? Who is it? What is it? Tommy Lee Jones and the Fugitive. Alright, bro. You literally talk about the fugitive all the time. What's the last year for the last question? 2025. Let's let's please, please. I want to I want to score a bucket. 2025? Is that what you said before I said the second question?

SPEAKER_03 2:36:17

Yeah. The Oscar? Yeah, make it relevant. What happened last week? You said what happened last week. Damn, the future. That's a good one. Tom Lee John went for the future? That's tough. That movie is fire. Hope y'all have seen it out there. Which one?

SPEAKER_04 2:36:32

The one from last year or this year?

SPEAKER_03 2:36:33

No, the one from last year. Last year. Yeah, last year, last year. This one's gonna be easy for you.

SPEAKER_04 2:36:40

No, no, not at all. Uh, who won uh best writing for an adapted screenplay?

SPEAKER_03 2:36:50

Can I not get the cat? Can I not get the movies?

SPEAKER_04 2:36:53

It is a movie. Uh, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 2:36:56

Like you can't uh I can't get the listed movies? That's that's where you're throwing me off at. Yeah, I can't I can't guess between the list, like a word search? Does he buffer or is that like a just not? You said adapted, so it's not a Nora.

SPEAKER_04 2:37:13

Um Yes, see, I knew you were gonna get a Nora, so that's why I didn't pick it.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:18

I know nothing.

SPEAKER_04 2:37:19

Damn, really. You're not getting this? No. It's kind of well known.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:23

Uh well no. I guess it's kind of well known. I know Barbie. No.

SPEAKER_04 2:37:32

Nah, what is it, bro? Conclave, bro. My lord.

SPEAKER_06 2:37:36

Oh, I knew that.

SPEAKER_04 2:37:37

Oh my, I posted that on the page.

SPEAKER_03 2:37:41

0 for 5, bro, trash. In my defense, I just had a basketball game, you know what I'm saying? Oh, I'm physically and mentally fatigued. No, no, no, no, okay. Oh my goodness. All right, heat check, bro. I'm disappointed in myself. I'm about to 0 for 5 and heat check, yeah. Trash. All right, bet. Nah. I'm about to uh let me put you on segment. After this, I'm about to do a uh history lesson in the Oscars. Yeah, you need to. I for sure.

SPEAKER_04 2:38:06

Uh, what you got for uh recommended movies for the week? Uh recommended movies for the week, if you haven't seen them uh from the Oscars, I would definitely say um Train Dreams. Um me personally, I would say Train Dreams is one of the movies of the year that I really enjoyed. Talked about sinners way too many times. I would say Hamlet. If you haven't seen Hamnet, I would say Train Dreams and Hamnet. Uh with the movies. Um I would say actually also a third one, I would say K-pop Demon Hunters as an animated, if you're not feeling like watching uh uh uh live action. I would say that's that's it. So I like that.

SPEAKER_03 2:38:47

That's big time. I mean, I I forgot to mention this movie, so I'm gonna recommend it, but North of Choice, I think, deserve to be uh nominated. Um I think they I don't think they've been rocking with um what's his name? The director. Who? Uh you mentioned his name earlier. Park Chan uh Walk. Oh, Parasite Director? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you mean they're not rocking with him? Like the Academy. Um, yeah, Park Chan Walk. They I don't think the Academy's been rocking with him, bro. Like they didn't even nominate him for this. Um after after Parasite, like the past couple movies they haven't really been nominated for, and they all have been elite, like on the level.

SPEAKER_04 2:39:25

He's been clicking. They couldn't, they couldn't give after everybody. Remember the controversy behind it? Everybody complained and said that they couldn't how you well win a movie and you can't like you have to read the subtitles kind of thing. Like a lot of people don't want to watch it, so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:39:38

So I think that um everyone should watch another choice. I watched it, it was clean, bro. That movie it reminded me of Parasite, but like in a different way. But like the whole the way he's able to depict class and then you know the murders within class and someone else wanting someone else's life or job or career, and then the funniness behind it. Like, yeah, I don't know. I think he's just so great at like even symmetry and just how he like stages certain things. We talked about Parasite before, but like the staircases that all the affluent people that are always walking up stairs, whereas the people who are poor, they're always walking downstairs, like like stuff that he does in movies that I think goes beyond just like what meets the eye. Like, you actually think about it. I think it's dope. And then I think my second recommendation, man, I'm not gonna lie, bro. I think a lot of people for animated, I would say Zootopia 2. Fire. I thought it was a really good movie. It's hard to double down. I thought the sequel was almost even better than the first one, but I thought it was a really good movie. Yeah, yeah. No, the first one was elite, but the sequel, I just like I left there thinking, like, well, I learned some things, and it was just like, I don't know. It reminded me of this new movie I see hot saw uh saw recently called Hopper, where it's like it's still giving you a message, but it's not woke. You know what I'm saying? Like you know how like in and out it kind of felt like super woke. You know what I mean, bro. I just feel like Disney be like trying to put LGBTQ commun uh LGBTQ community characters like in films or like do stuff like that, and it's like yo, it's like a it's like a cartoon, bro, for like little kids. I get that you're trying to whatever, whatever, but I think in like recently they've been doing a good job of like nah, we're gonna tell this story and it's gonna be fun and it's gonna be entertaining, but it's also gonna be about like the importance of family or the importance of sharing or the importance of knowing your culture or the importance of knowing like that you know who owned this land before it got taken, like stuff like that. Um environmentalism, like instead of just being like you know, same-sex stuff or or political stuff. Uh so I I really enjoyed that about Zootopia too. But like how you said train dreams for me, I'll probably say honestly, I'll say Hamnet. Um, because I think as like a Shakespeare adaptation, I don't really have a familiarity with a lot of them. I know I used to watch Oh for Othello back in the day, the ghetto one with uh Kai Pfeiffer, which was funny. Um, and I think I've seen one with Lawrence Fishburne in high school. But outside of that, I haven't really, and then obviously Romeo and Juliet, the adaptation uh from Leo DiCaprio and stuff like that. But I haven't really seen many Shakespeare stuff, so I would say Hamnet, because that was a really well-done film and it was emotional for sure. But I like that uh it was a modern day take on Shakespeare, so probably say that. But man, been a great episode, long episode. Um I know I got Murray got to get to sleep, you know what I'm saying? But had a great time talking about the Oscars. We have some more exciting stuff coming out uh soon, so be on the lookout. Follow CNDMs on every you know, media platform, social media, we got Snapchat, possibly. No, absolutely. But we got Twitter or X, is that what they call nowadays? We got X at C and DMs, we got you know Instagram, IG, TikTok, C DMs underscore, we got TikTok, also if you want to hit us up on LinkedIn. Business guys, you know, stand up guys. Um, but man, same time, same place next week, bro. See ya.