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The One With The Final Girl
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SceneDMs — Kaitlyn Santa Juana
Kaitlyn Santa Juana (Final Destination: Bloodlines) joins SceneDMs for a deep dive into movies, acting, horror and the films that shaped her.
INTRO — 0:42
Kaitlyn takes us through the movies that made her fall in love with cinema and inspired her to become an actor, from Titanic, High School Musical and A Goofy Movie to Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. We talk Kate Winslet, Denzel Washington, movie Mount Rushmores, films she can quote by heart, and the difference between theatre and film.
ACT ONE — 49:48
We get into horror’s greatest final girls, Kaitlyn’s experience making Final Destination: Bloodlines, the filmmakers who influence her, and her ranking of the entire Final Destination franchise.
ACT TWO — 1:27:46
Kaitlyn opens up about the hardest parts of being an actor, the best Final Destination kills, Tony Todd’s legacy, and the movies that best describe her, including Lady Bird, The Dark Knight, The Godfather, Love & Basketball and Boyhood.
ACT THREE — 1:55:22
We go deeper into Kaitlyn’s movie and TV tastes, discussing Julie Andrews, Will Smith, Halle Berry, Christopher Nolan, Past Lives, Hereditary, and her television Mount Rushmore featuring Fleabag, The Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Atlanta and more. We also look ahead at some of the films and projects she’s excited about.
QT HATERAID — 2:33:50
We call out this week’s biggest offender in the world of movies and entertainment.
HEAT CHECK — 2:44:00
Fast takes. Hot opinions. No time to overthink it.
94 FEET FULL COURT PRESS — 2:56:17
Kaitlyn goes full court as we put her movie knowledge and instincts to the test.
LEMME PUT YOU ON — 3:02:55
We finish by putting each other onto movies that deserve a spot on your watchlist.
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Yur, what's going on? It's your boy Deuce Wayne. What's good? What's good? What's good? It's Big Merv in the building. What's going on? Yes, sir. Because on this episode, we have a very special guest. And we don't get to say that pretty often. So we really, really mean it once we say it. But Merv, man, if you want to tell the people who we have, because this is a big, this is an exciting episode. I wish we had her on a little bit earlier because we already did a low-key episode about this franchise. But it's going to be a fun one. But Merv, man, let the people know what's going on.
SPEAKER_08So we have the honor and the privilege of having uh the star of the the recent final destination, final destination bloodlines, Caitlin Santuana. Make sure I say the last name right again. And we are so excited to have her on the podcast today. Obviously, she's like a superstar, so we're just like super excited to have her on the episode and really appreciate her appreciate her her being with us. Um, especially after we had the final destination destination episode. And we were so excited to talk about bloodlines. And uh just for you know, I mean this to happen, yeah. I'm low-key excited, so hikey, I guess. But uh, but yeah, so yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, we're gonna be giving her her flowers as it's well deserved. Before we, you know, kind of pass it towards it, let her talk a little bit about herself. How this even got started, it was random. But let's just let me tell you something. Everybody out there, I learned a lot. First of all, I learned a lot about the Filipino culture. Uh, I got introduced. Uh, you know me, Marv, I don't play a lot of games. They told me we're about to play a little taste testing game after practice. I said, Alright, what's going on? I'm big back. I like food. I'll go check it out. Go into this amazing place, you know, JJ's Bakery. And awesome opportunity to kind of you know explore not only the delicacies of what they have, their food, but also just learn a little bit about the culture. You know what I'm saying? I can speak a little bit, you know, Kalamunski, uh, Solomon Poe. Uh, you know, um, uh, just a couple things.
SPEAKER_08He wrote that down stuff for sure. He wrote that down still. He wrote that down to say it for sure.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, but it was awesome uh visiting her. Um, I know it was a great opportunity, but man, Caitlin, you want to talk a little bit more about uh just the the store, but also uh about your your upbringing and and growing up um in Vancouver uh before we get into the episode.
SPEAKER_20Yeah, of course. Um I thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here. Um, but before I do, I actually have a question that I want to ask you. Because it was so funny when I came up to you that day that you guys came to the JJ uh and did that little video. Um I think I asked you, or I asked both of you, I was like, somebody apparently has like a movie podcast. And immediately you were like, Yeah, I recognized you from The Flash. And I was like, The Flash.
SPEAKER_09Oh, we pay attention.
SPEAKER_20That was in like two episodes.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, we oh we pay attention. Uh Mervyn and I are avid uh movie. I I guess comic book fans, I would say definitely above average. So uh The Flash, like I told you when I when I met you, C D the CW channel had me in a chocolate. I was watching The Arrow, I was watching The Flash. Legends of Tomorrow. Oh my goodness. What they started doing crossovers. I said, I'm I'm I'm I'm locked in. And and this happened during what? And this happened during uh my college career. So this is definitely like the height of binge watching things before and after practice, uh before and after class, depending on if I made it to my 8 a.m. or not. But definitely uh you're right. She asked Murray, she's like, Who had the movie podcast? I was like, Oh, that that's us, that would be us. And it's crazy because before Caitlin, you brought it up, I was like, you know, you have to those double takes. I'm like, she looks so familiar. Oh, this I do I know who this is. And I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna wait. I'm gonna wait to talk about movies. I don't want to be stereotypical, wait till after. And then once you brought it up, it kind of just gave the permission. It was cool because we talked a whole bunch about movies. But um, what was the first film that you ever fell in love with uh and and that made you want to act since we're talking about movies? I'm curious about that.
SPEAKER_20The first, so I feel like I have two answers for this because I don't think that I I really wanted to I didn't I didn't know that I wanted to do movies. Like I started I kind of took a a fun way of finding my way to movies. Um, but I think I mean I feel the first movie that I remember being like, wow, this is incredible, um was probably Titanic. Um I loved that movie. I also, I mean, I'm Filipino, so you know we love karaoke. So that was also like that's how my heart will go on. That's still my like I started singing that at two, and my parents always tell me that whenever it would come on in the radio, and it I was like two years old and I was singing, and my parents would be like, Is she like can she sing? Like this two-year-old kid in a car seat, is she gonna be a singer? So uh that's that's uh a movie that kind of introduced me into performing, I guess. But I mean that's probably every young Filipino kid's introduction to performing is karaoke and my heart will go on. Um, but I think maybe the first if I really think back to like the first movie that made me want to act, it's it's pretty corny because I kind of discovered acting in high school and I I watched the high school musical movies, and I remember seeing Vanessa Hudgens in that and being like, oh my gosh, I look like her, she's high Filipino, that's really cool. I didn't know we could do stuff like this. But then I also saw like Troy Bolton, who was like the basketball player and all of this. And when I was in high school, uh I actually went to my high school for their basketball program. Um, and then to kind of see him have to pick and choose between the two. Um I was like, wow, who am I in this movie? My Gabrielle or my Troy? Maybe I'm both. But yeah, so I would say that's pro those are the that those are the two that kind of got me into the world of wanting to be an actor or performer or whatever.
SPEAKER_09Oh, that's that's awesome. Banger movies, banger movies, though.
SPEAKER_08Big, big high school musical fan. Big high school music fan.
SPEAKER_00Oh my god, yeah. I've always been for the team. She's just someone I met. All right, the singing thing is nothing. Probably just a way to keep my nerves down. I don't know. It means nothing to me. You're my guys, and this is our team. Gabriella is not important. I'll forget about her, I'll forget the audition, and we'll go out and get that championship. Everyone happy now? Behold, Lunkhead Basketball Man.
SPEAKER_09Classic, classic. Merv, I never asked you that question. What was the first movie that made you fall in love with movies? Yes, you have, and you know it.
SPEAKER_08It's tattered on me. Yes. A goofy movie. Uh if you sorry, sorry, Caitlin. You uh I'm I'm a goofy movie is my favorite movie, and it's the movie that is tatted on my arm. Um it's my favorite movie, and it and it encapsulates, I feel like, how I felt as a child growing up. Um, Max, especially. Um, Max was my my my person, so I just love that movie with all my heart, and I could watch that movie a million times over.
SPEAKER_20So that makes me so h wait, which one? The one where the is it the one where they like go fishing or the one where it's like the dance.
SPEAKER_08One second. Let me see if I can pull up my sleeves because see, right here. It's tatted right there. I don't know if you can see it.
SPEAKER_20Yes. Oh my god, I love it.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, so that's my favorite one. Yeah.
SPEAKER_20That's so I love that so much. I love, I also love the one with like was that like the sequel? That one came after the the fishing one, right?
SPEAKER_08The fit the so the fishing one was the first this was this one. That's my favorite. And then the the next one was an extremely goofy movie where he's an adult and he treats Goofy terribly and he's a skater and all that stuff.
SPEAKER_20So yeah, and there's like the girl who's like doing slam poets mapping. You know how many times I have had so many conversations about there's like a scene in that movie where they're eating like cheese pizza, and I've never like it feels like an ad for cheese pizza because the way that it looks I don't know, maybe I sound insane, but the word cheese pizza and trust me, I've been looking my entire life for that pizza that looks exactly it never and it never does.
SPEAKER_08Never does, it never does.
SPEAKER_20I want that pizza, I don't want any other pizza, I just want that one, and I will probably never have it or find it. That's such a niche thought to have, but yeah, whenever I think of those movies, I think about the pizza.
SPEAKER_08Trust me, I'm right there with you. That's like my number one thing I think about all the time. I wish I could just have a pizza from the film. That pizza looks so good, and then the waterbed looked immaculate. It was just everything that that came with it. So, of course, that is my favorite movie. I know it from front to back, every word, every song, and it's just yeah, it's just my it has a great place in my heart. So I love it a lot.
SPEAKER_09Oh, that's just that because on social media I've seen those, I guess those theater experiences where you could watch a movie and then eat the dishes that are associated with the film. Yeah, I've never seen that. Yeah, yeah, they have a few of those where it's like you can watch Home Alone and then or Home Alone 2 and you're eating, you know, the food, the pizza, the exact room service. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they have, I think, a couple other films where you could, you know, mimic the same meals, and I think it's a cool experience. Because obviously there's a lot of motivation in films and people that you watch more. I wonder who your favorite actor is. And if you could have or build a monumental, I guess Mount Rushmore of the top four films who's actors and actresses, who would they be?
SPEAKER_20Yes, yes. Um, so I'm I'm probably gonna stick with I mean, Titanic was like the first thing that came to mind. I'm gonna stick with Kate Windlett. Her name is Kate. My name is Kate. What uh no kidding, that's not a bad thing. It's a magic. She's also an iconic, she's an iconic actor. She's good in everything that she ever does. Um, and she has a few, like, she has a couple, two of my favorite movies have her in it. It's Titanic and um eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. That I actually watched that pretty recently. Um and it kind of ruined my life.
SPEAKER_03I don't know.
SPEAKER_09Like, I feel like, yeah, I mean, well, me and Merv talk about this all the time, especially with eternal uh sunshine, those type of films. Was that a film that you caught by accident and then you kept watching, or did you intentionally put it on? Because there's certain films that are classes that are good, but you you tend to stay away from them and avoid them because they might be too heavy or emotional. So I wonder, is that a film that you consistently rewatch or a film that you're just like, you know what, it's a classic, but I'm not gonna revisit it.
SPEAKER_20No, I'm gonna well, it depends. I feel like I have to be like in an emotionally stable state of mind. Like, that's not something that I could just like it depends what also like I'm working on at the moment. Like I always talk about how if I'm working on something on set, I can't watch anything where I need to be like extremely locked in. Like, I'll watch like trash reality TV. Not that reality TV's trash, but like something that I can oop, not the look. Not the oop.
SPEAKER_07You know what? It is kind of drugs.
SPEAKER_20You know what? It's it's that's all I'll say. But I have to I have to like lock in. I can't lock in, and it's stuff that's easy to follow. Like anyways, I digress. What did you ask me? Uh the Mount Rushmore movies. Um uh Kate Winslet. Um, I'm gonna say obviously Titanic, obviously Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, The Holiday, The Christmas One. I love that movie. Avatar. And specifically because doesn't she like hold the world record for like holding her breath underwater or something? Or like she's like one of the highest, like it wasn't it like seven minutes that she had to like train, like she trains to do like underwater work and she can like Yeah, she's up there with Tom Cruise for sure.
SPEAKER_09For sure.
SPEAKER_20So crazy. Yeah, yeah. I mean it must have been like a cra and also Avatar is huge, so how can that not be how can that not be up there?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, that's a fact. What about actors? What about actors?
SPEAKER_20That's something that I don't even think about. Maybe because I'm not a man, but uh maybe because I hate men. I'm kidding, I don't need to I'm so sorry. Uh male actors, I think I'm trying to think of somebody that does theater and film because I want to be able to hit that as well.
SPEAKER_09Um one of my favorites does. I know. I was about to say there's only one man I'd think of.
SPEAKER_20You know what? I saw I recently just watched, oh, this just popped into my head. Denzel Washington, of course. I just saw him. And you know what I you know what I didn't realize? You know what I didn't realize, and maybe I'm an idiot for not realizing this. I watched, so did you have you ever seen Devil in a Blue Dress?
SPEAKER_09Of course. Of course. Easy Rollins, yeah.
SPEAKER_20I literally hadn't seen it. And I watched Sinners when Sinners came out, of course. Um, and then I watched Devil in a Blue in a Blue Dress, like maybe like a few months after, without realizing like that I guess Ryan Kugler drew a lot of inspiration from that movie for Sinners.
SPEAKER_12If you got a friend that you know does bad things, I mean real bad things, and you still keep him as a friend even though you know what he's like. You think that's wrong? All you got is your friend.
SPEAKER_20The devil in a blue dress to answer your previous question about is this something that I just came across by accident? That's something that was cool because I did not, I was not even really aware of why that movie was a classic. I also started going down, there's like, I have like a secret letterbox account, and I won't tell anybody what my yeah, because I want to be real on there. I don't want to get doxxed, okay? And maybe now I'm about to get doxxed for saying this because some of my other friends got doxed and like had to delete all their reviews because they didn't want to get like blacklists.
SPEAKER_09Oh no, that's insane. That's like having a fenster.
SPEAKER_20Literally, literally. Um, but there's they have like these crazy like lists of like top 250 like narrative films of our generation, and that was on there, and I was like, why have I never heard of this? Am I a crazy person? And then I watched it and I was like, why do I feel like I'm watching Sinners? Was this on purpose? And like as the movie progressed, I was like, this is absolutely on purpose. Did he ever talk about this anywhere? And then I went and looked and found like an interview of him talking about um how much the movie influen influenced sinners, which I thought was so cool.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, no, I I think Denzel is one of them, you know, Mikhail will tell you, but he's my favorite actor. I think Robert De Nero's a close second. But for me, Denzel I think is hot actor by far. It's not just because of his talent, I think his presence is crazy. Like he commands so much on screen, right? Like he doesn't have to always be speaking or have you know a dialogue scene, but his silence is so powerful. And I just love that he's able to, you know, be like a method actor, but also sprinkle a little bit of his own charm. Like there's always a little bit of Denzel in everyone.
SPEAKER_20It's always, it's always him, but it's always different. Like, you know, when you see like a lot of I mean, I'm not gonna name any names because I don't want to make any enemies here, but you know when there's like an actor who is just kind of like oversaturated in the media, and it's so like how do you not like how do you not go and do like six films in a year and and work so hard and and make them all different? And I I don't even know how I would do that. Like that's that's a challenge in itself. But for somebody like him, he's like never the same in anything that he does. And and something that's I mean, something that's so beautiful between like the theater and and film thing, um, I actually like came across this video of him doing fences, um, the play and the and the film, um, like side by sides that kind of touch on what it looks like on stage um and what it looks like on film, um, and the nuances and the differences between film acting and theater acting, and how theater is a little bit bigger and and more uh you use more of your entire body because you have to be able to play to the last row partial view um and still be able to affect them, um which can sometimes look like you're doing too much. Um, but then you see like the comparison with film and how you're he was able to evoke the exact same feelings and and emotions and make you as the audience feel exactly how he did in the theater with like small internal not I wouldn't say small because it's still a very um big script and and there's a lot of heavy lifting that you have to do for that one. But the way that he was able to kind of scale back but not lose the the bigness, I guess, of who the character was or who the character is um is enough to just be like, yeah, he's the best.
SPEAKER_09I think uh Merv, what are your favorite moves from Denzel? Because we haven't even had a Denzel episode yet, but you know, the Mount Rushmore, I think you could I don't think there it's kind of like when you talk about who's the best in basketball, you can go 1A, 1B, whether it's LeBron or Jordan or whatever. I'm not doing that. But there's there's no wrong answer, I feel like, when it comes to Denzel movies, because any four you choose from could be a classic or iconic or a culturally impacting film. So what are four films that you could build for Denzel's roster?
SPEAKER_08I mean, it just depends on the mood I'm in. So like I feel like like right now, I would say Crimson Tide. Oh, I would say Ackman. Yeah. You you already know obviously how I feel about Crimson Tide. Um John Q. Yes Um obviously is a classic. I mean, everybody would always obviously say Man on Fire. Um, obviously, but I think I'm gonna uh go a different route and try to, you know what I mean, steer away from that. I would probably go Antoine Fisher. Wow. Yeah, like I do everyone as well, right? Yeah, yeah. Like I really enjoy that film from a uh I guess from a black man's perspective of an emotional state of like life, you know what I mean? So I think that that one that one really that one really hit home. Um, you know what I mean? So I really like that one. Um and I would say for the last one, out of time. And this is just again, this is just my time right now. Like, you know what I mean? I'm not I'm not saying this is my all time. This is just the mood I'm in. Out of time with Evan Mendes. Yeah, just just today. Even Mendes, Eva Mendes. He's a good list. So I'll leave. That's just that's just off the you know what I mean? That's off the cuffs, though. So I just you know but that's tough. I'd probably go with Malcolm X. Come on, iconic.
SPEAKER_10I was gonna say that.
SPEAKER_09The movie's six hours long, but yes, you're right. One of the only moves, one of the few moves that could allow me to stay invested that long. You're right. Uh training day. Come on, man. He won an award for that one playing a game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got game as a basketball player, got thrown classic flight.
SPEAKER_08Oh my yo, I actually did it back to my fault, my fault. Flight, flight takes out of timeout. Yeah, flight talking about it.
SPEAKER_09Oh my goodness. But yeah, I think out of time is definitely a great honorable mention. Um, but bro, what about uh like because you know I love Julia Roberts? Who who you got for you know the best female actor? Ah, oof.
SPEAKER_08Uh this one's a tough one, still.
SPEAKER_20Um he hates women. I'm kidding.
SPEAKER_08I really, I really um I really love um Angelina Jolie's movies, especially uh Girl Inter Um Uninterrupted. Obviously, we did a we we did our um our episode on that, and watching that film was very interesting because I never seen her in that kind of role. But then you see her in like SALT, and then you see her in Mr. Christmas Smith, and then you see her in like, you know how many different things, and I'm like, yo, like she's versatile in that way. Um so I really like Angelina Jolie. Um but that's that's that's too easy. I don't want to go with that one.
SPEAKER_20I I feel like Oh, you're trying to be niche.
SPEAKER_08You know what I mean? I'm trying not to I'm not trying to make it too easy, you know what I mean? Like I write, I really like um Taraji P. Henson. She's obviously Oh, yeah. Um Viola Davis, another GOAT in the space. Um Sandra Bullock, also enjoy her, uh love her movies.
SPEAKER_19Um she's great.
SPEAKER_08I mean, I I I literally could go on and on. I I can't pick one. That's that's a d difficult thing because I feel like in different roles everybody plays like a you know I mean a different thing where you're like you're feeling it in that moment. And I feel like it's very hard to to pick one. So I agree. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? So I would say Anne Hathaway is getting there for me.
SPEAKER_09I don't know why. Anne Hathaway's up there too. Yeah, she's really good. She's up there. She's up there. I can confidently say I'm one of the few people who are waiting on Princess Galleries 3. Uh by the way, you do.
SPEAKER_16My father was the prince of Genovia. Uh-huh. You're joking. Why would I joke about something like that? No! No, because if he's really a prince, then I Exactly. You're not just Amelia Thermopolis. You are Amelia Mignonette Thermopolis Grenaldi, Princess of Shinovia.
SPEAKER_17Me? A princess? Shut up. I've been waiting. We've been talking about the few people, the whole world is waiting for this guy.
SPEAKER_09I appreciate you. I'm not alone. Apothetically, if someone was to hold a gun to your head and they said you had to recite one film, I think word for word, or it's over for you. What would those films be? Not one film. Let's say three films. You had a choice of three films. Someone put a gun to your head and said, if you cannot, you gotta mess up one time. You gotta quote the whole film from front to back. What would those three films be?
SPEAKER_20Oh shit. I don't know if I have three.
SPEAKER_09Three isn't six.
SPEAKER_20I guess I'm dying.
SPEAKER_02No, I have one. I have maybe I have two.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_09What are the two?
SPEAKER_02Tarzan?
SPEAKER_03It's Tarzan and Tarzan too.
SPEAKER_09Wait, we talking about the original, the animated, or we talked we talking.
SPEAKER_03The animated, okay.
SPEAKER_20There's store there's Tarzan, Tarzan and Tarzan too, because when we were little. Oh my god. Uh when we were little, we had this like minivan.
SPEAKER_03We had a minivan that had a TV in it, and the only movies we had in it were Tarzan and Tarzan too.
SPEAKER_07That's tough. That's tough.
SPEAKER_03So if that that's what I would say to put on, I could, yeah.
SPEAKER_09That's a great choice.
SPEAKER_03Tarzan and Tarzan 2.
SPEAKER_09What about it?
SPEAKER_20You know what? I think I'm a little I'm kind of like a weird. I don't know if I can memorize like a whole movie front to back, but I always remember like really strange niche quotes from specific movies, and I love to like I'm my friend, she's also an act, my best friend is she's also an actor. Um I'll just if it comes up in converse, we both have like crazy ADHDs, so it's just like conversation, it's just a mess all the time. And sometimes I'll just say like a random movie quote to her and be like, where's that from? And she never gets it right. I think she's got it right once.
SPEAKER_09That's the one about the same time. I thought I was about to say she got it right because me and Merv do that all the time. We try to work in movie quotes into conversations, it's hilarious. We always try to recognize it. It's the right trainer, and he got it wrong. It's hilarious when you're around other people and they don't get it, but you get it. It's the it's the best.
SPEAKER_08It becomes a little inside joke.
SPEAKER_20No, it makes you feel special though.
SPEAKER_08No, facts. My Dwayne, my my trainer, my trainer, um, his middle name is Mo Mohammed. And I said, you know, Mohammed is one of the most common common. And he was, I was like, what movie is that from? And he's like, I don't know. I'm like, bro, he's serious? Super bad, obviously. It was in the middle of the workout, too. He was cheesed. He's like, yo, you're not focused. But man, imagine someone put a gun to your head. What are the three movies you have to pick? Well, obviously a goofy movie, obviously. Um that's easy. Um I would say Lion King. Um, the be specific. We're talking, we're talking we're talking Seth Rogan and them, or are we talking the thing? Please, uh, don't don't talk to me about that. You already know how I feel about that. Please, please. You know I'm talking about the animated the remake. The remake. Uh the how do you feel about that?
SPEAKER_20Have you talked about it on episode?
SPEAKER_08We we haven't really fan of remakes. We're not a fan of remakes yet. We're not really we're not really fans of like um just making remakes just to make them. Uh money grabs. I don't think so either. Specifically. Money grabs. I don't think so either.
SPEAKER_20I don't I don't like it either. Because it's always the same formula too. It's like you either they're either like remat oh my gosh, they either like completely remake it or they like do like a reboot. How do you feel about reboots? Because I feel like it's the same formula every single time. The reboot, the old character comes in like act one or episode one, and then they either die or I'm like, I'm giving it to you, and then it's some like random kid who's not as likable as the original person. No offense here I am, and I'm in a reboot.
SPEAKER_05I'm gonna say it.
SPEAKER_08That's kind of crazy still, but hey, but you did a great job. So that takes it away. That doesn't that that that changes everything still. So but it's different. It's different, yeah. But but it's definitely different. But reboots for me personally, uh, it depends on how it's done. Like me and Duane have we done an episode on this, uh, and we talked about reboots and remakes, and and I feel like reboots are alright, I guess. Yeah, it just depends on how it's done. Like if it's done just for money, or if it's like, oh, this is something our parents watched, and then they're just trying to bring it to us because we haven't seen it, then of course, of course, why not? Bring a reboot. But if it's something that we just saw like 10 years ago, and then you're trying to reboot it 10 years from now, and it's just like fam, like it's only been 10 years. Why are you rebooting something that just came out? You're clearly doing it for money, you're clearly doing because you have nothing else of the studio to put out. So I just I just don't like those personally.
SPEAKER_09But yeah, yeah, for sure. I think that uh reboots have a whole bunch of different aspects to them, and like anything else in life or in culture, there's like niches or outliers. So, of course, there are gonna be some things that you know kind of break through of the regular frequency of what happens. But when it comes to reboots, I personally think there's certain boundaries and restrictions that should be placed on them. For example, I think there should be like maybe a 50-year, maybe I'm being too you know strict, but like a 50-year limit on like when you can reboot stuff. I think there has to, like Merv said, pass through generations. Like I can't, I can't have seen three different iterations of a of a certain type of franchise be rebooted personally. I mean, obviously, Spider-Man, different things, I get it. But in terms of yeah, different, but different, you know, outside of that, it's like it's hard. It's hard for me. I'm thinking you guys are lazy. Well, get get back there in the kitchen and cook up some original films and get people, you know, going to theaters again.
SPEAKER_20And and also, I mean, the first one did well because it did well. Watch the first one.
SPEAKER_08It's not rocketry.
SPEAKER_20Yeah, watch the original movie. It's so like it's so it's I mean, most of the time, it's always something so iconic that people want more of it. Just watch it again.
SPEAKER_09Exactly.
SPEAKER_20Just keep watching it.
SPEAKER_09Just keep watching it. I agree. Murph, someone had a gun to my head, the other guys, man. You know, I'm saying that front to back. And I'll talk about the narration for ice tea. I'm talking about Mark Warburg, World Fairless character.
SPEAKER_08Front for the bush, but I'm talking about everything. TLC quotes, everything. Don't go chasing waterfalls. Yo, son. Oh, no. You shot Aright.
SPEAKER_20That's still random. I feel like we all have pretty random ones.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_17It's Christineth. Are you stupid or are you deaf?
SPEAKER_15Christina! You idiot! You come to our house, you get my wife's name right! Christineth!
SPEAKER_09Then I think, you know, either the Incredibles or Finding Nemo for sure is like a all-time. Can't get that one wrong. But yo, you touched on it already, Caitlin, and I think we want to go a little bit more in depth when it comes to this. You you spoke on it when it comes to the skill sets of like being in theater and then also being in movies, like, what is the difference between for people who don't know out there? Because like understanding that there's different mediums, but they still kind of convey similar things. What are like the different intricacies that are involved with being someone who's heavily in theater and then heavily in movies? Like, what's the biggest difference? Especially someone like you who's experienced both sides.
SPEAKER_20Yeah, I mean, it's such a it's so interesting I always I feel like I always compare it to like dance. Or like yeah, I would say dance or like classical opera versus like pop singing. Um theater is very much what ballet is to the world of all forms of dance.
SPEAKER_02It's kind of like the technique, it's the basis, it's um it's like the bones of what acting is, I would say.
SPEAKER_08You hear that time of the um shout out Mr.
SPEAKER_02Chalamet. Uh but I would say it is L O L.
SPEAKER_20Uh Yeah, so I I would say it's the bones. I mean, I feel like the biggest difference is for me.
SPEAKER_02Um I went to theater school.
SPEAKER_20Uh and a lot of the beginning of theater school was basically just kind of like what they called garbage removal of habits and just kind of stripping you back of all of the things that you've learned and things that don't serve you and the idea of like performing. Um I think the the basis of acting is listening and responding.
SPEAKER_02Um, but what's different about theater and film for me anyways, and in in my experience, is that uh I when I've worked in theater, you have a two and a half hour show, intermission.
SPEAKER_20Sometimes you don't have an intermission. That's the same, you you do it eight shows a week, uh two show days twice a week, and then you have a day off.
SPEAKER_02Um, so the stamina that you need to be able to, especially if you're like singing and dancing, the stamina that you need to be able to have to do that is not like you're basically you're like an athlete at that point.
SPEAKER_20Like you kind of also have to have you have to live like a s like like a quiet life when you're doing eight shows a week, especially if you're doing like a really difficult show. And also you have to remember that a lot of the lines in these shows could be lighting cues, they could be cues for other actors to pick up a prop. They could be like you don't get to restart, you don't get to stop the show, you don't get to say, oops, I made a mistake. Um you have to be so locked in and zeroed in. Um and you have to be rehearsed. You rehearse for like weeks before you even put up the show. Um, there is room to breathe and live and be able to find like newness in the show, but there's a little bit more of a parameter just because you have cues, you have other people relying on you to support them and making sure that they're able to do their job properly. Um but when I transitioned to film, and I kind of transitioned more during the pandemic, um, coming off of a Broadway show, I was kind of struggling to find my footing in film auditions. Um and what I ended up finding was that I had become so used to rehearsing things and knowing my lines um like down to the T, knowing exactly what I'm saying and and what the words are on the page and knowing what I'm thinking, and that I kind of like forgot that like a camera can see everything, like up close, and it can see if you're waiting for your next line, it can see if you're doing too much or or anticipating something. Um so what I found in like my transition to film acting is that my best takes and my best work kind of always comes from when I'm under-rehearsed and things are able to catch me off guard. And at first it always felt like, oh my god, that was a shit take. Like I had no idea what I was doing. And um, whenever my coach or like my friends who would read with me would watch it back, they'd be like, What do you mean this was so beautiful because you didn't know what was happening and you didn't you were you could see the humanness um in a small way, uh just in like your eyes. Um you could see you having like a light bulb moment, you could see you listening and responding. Um so I think those are kind of the two big differences for me. Obviously, of course, like I said earlier, uh film or a stage is more about using your whole instrument um and your body to be able to play to the back of the house. And film is uh much more internal and it's about being able to see what the character is thinking, whether that's in like an eye twitch or an eyebrow movement or like a look to the side. Um yeah. Does that kind of that makes I feel like that makes sense? Yeah.
SPEAKER_08I actually have um I'm sorry to sorry to cut you off, Duane. Okay, I know you're about to say something, but I just have two com uh not comments, questions about that. Do you feel like when it comes to acting, um that the best acting is when you're actually not acting? Like is when it's like you're just doing, you know what I mean? Where it's like, like you said, like where it's a situation of of life, you know what I mean? It's like you're actually just walking through that person's life as them and you're just experiencing life as they do. And just like you said, like kind of do you feel like that's when the best acting comes out of people is like when they're in that kind of flow state of of figuring that out? Like would you say that's the the the best time that people act?
SPEAKER_20Yeah, I think you kind of like have hit what method acting is actually supposed to be on on like kind of the head. I feel like people have taken it and and made it into this thing where you need to like behave in crazy ways to be considered a method actor, but you really don't. Like it's kind of just this idea of like I said, listening and responding under specific given circumstances. So how would you as yourself behave like for example? I can use Final Destination. How would you obviously people aren't running around being chased by garbage trucks and logs and things like that in their everyday lives? Um but if you were and your whole family was up to die, how would you behave? Have you ever like lived an experience where you thought you were gonna lose something that you really loved and you were the only person who could control it? Take that, magnify it, and put it into the work that you're doing for this specific film, and it's not fake, it's real. It's literally how you acted that time that you experienced X, Y, and Z where you lost something before.
SPEAKER_11Yeah.
SPEAKER_20Um, it's just about making connections in your life. Um whether they're a little bit similar or maybe they're smaller because or were things that kind of like relate to what your character is going through. Um just it's all real.
SPEAKER_08There it is. There it is, right there, ladies and gentlemen. For everybody listening, you cannot fake it. That's what it means. Acting is not fake.
SPEAKER_20Maybe other people can. I can't.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Acting is not fake, it's feeling and being and just doing. You know what I mean? That's what I feel it is, at least. There you go. But I'm also not I'm also not an actor, so I don't know. But um with all these new people, um, uh me and Duane are trying to do that too. But the new people actually getting into film without going the theater route and without going to theater school, do you have any comments about it or do you feel like it's the right thing to do? Because we we obviously in our profession, um, we see a lot of people now getting opportunities to play basketball or getting opportunities to, you know, I mean, just do different basketball things. And um and we feel like okay, they didn't go through the same stuff we did. But some of them are really good. Like we know T jazz. Um, T Jazz is really good, puts in the work, he he puts his head down and works and stuff like that. So, you know, I mean he's a great example of somebody that's done it and actually looks really good doing it. But then there's like also other people where they just think they're they're really good at basketball without, you know, I mean, putting in that time and effort and that years of grind that me and Dwayne and people like us have put in. Like, do you feel like like people need to go to theater school and and and and experience that, or do you feel like it's kind of just up to whoever it is?
SPEAKER_20I think I have so many thoughts. I think no matter what you do, no matter what you're talented at, if there's you could be the most talented person in the world, but if you don't have a work ethic like you could go like you could go into a movie and it could be the first movie you've ever done, you've never like you're the best, you audition, and you get that. But you're not gonna get longevity unless you find somewhere to learn like to sustain it, I guess. That doesn't mean you need to be in theater school, that doesn't mean you need to be in film school. You can learn work ethic from anywhere. Like you can learn wherever that I know so many people who just who wanna who want to work in film, whether that's in like a uh screenwriting position or whether that's in costumes or they want to act. Like even I started working on film sets young as a PA, just so I could learn like the ropes of um how everything worked. Um you just have to surround yourself with like-minded people and and find your find a way into the community and make connections with the people in the department that you want to work with. Um it could and it could be on anything. You just have to find like because you just have to find community and you have to find a way to have good work ethic. You don't have to, you know, be the most well-trained artist ever. However, at some point you you still have to learn. Like, as long as you're open to learning. Um, I think that's how I see it is is just that you can't go into something and and not want to have um a want f to learn more. You're you're never gonna know everything.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, acting is very extensional, right? Like I think it's you two people can read something on the page and we can both execute it differently just because of how we experience life and how we see certain things. So that's pretty cool. I thought that was a great point about people being extremists when it comes to method acting. So I think everyone's taking it over the top, especially after like the Heat Ledger situations and I know, yeah, exactly prepared. Yeah, exactly. Um, but I also thought it was interesting what you said about anticipating lines. I remember, you know, one of Mikhail's favorite actors is Will Smith, and I know he talked about being on the Fresh Prince in the first couple episodes. He was so locked in and not wanting to fail. Yeah, you could see him mouthing other people's lines. And you mentioned just being an actor, and he was someone that was new to it, just not understanding that the camera is really all up in your grill, for lack of better term. So everything you're doing can be seen by the audience in a way that you probably didn't really think was possible before. And then lastly, one of my favorite movies is Heat. And one of the biggest, I guess, folklores of Heat, or not even folklores, because they actually talked about it um a couple years ago when Michael Mann, Al Pacino, uh, De Niro, everybody got together for like a reunion and they spoke about Heat. But they talked about that, you know, infamous diner scene that they had together where they had the confrontation between Pacino and De Niro's character, and they said they never rehearsed it like on camera or nothing. They just did it. And that's why it was so I think they used the 11th take or something like that, but it was so authentic because they never rehearsed it. And because these guys are such great actors, they're able to use each other as instruments and and kind of facilitate and bounce and play off each other. So having a good scene partner is also important who understands how to you know work out those dynamics and that parameter of acting in certain sequences. So that's so cool. Um, before we move to the next act, I was gonna ask you, we're talking about obviously Final Destination because you were in Bloodlines. What are your top five horror franchises of all time? If if you had to choose, because I know Merv and I have spoken about before we had a Halloween episode or like a scary movie horror episode. I know for me, I'm a big Scream fan. I'm actually wearing a Screen t-shirt right now, shout out to Scene DMs. But I think Scream is one of the most you know consistent, intelligent slasher films, and I love how meta it is. Me too. Uh Texas Chainsaw Massacre. I think uh, you know, the reboots haven't been the best, but I think it's really underrated. And I think the original with Leatherface is one of the scariest ones ever. Like I have you know nightmares about Leatherface holding the saw and dancing like it's crazy that scene. Uh, I think Halloween is up there for me, of course. How can it not be? When we talk about obsession, you talk about backrooms and just how it was made with the you know execution and how people took a chance on it, people forget Halloween was the same thing. You know, John Carpenter, he made that film for like $300,000 on that on that budget, and it ended up being what it was, right? And then obviously Michael Myers is the blueprint for modern slashers. Then lastly, I'll have to say the conjuring. I think the conjuring has has done a decent job of of bringing me back to the theater every time they release something. Um, but if you had like a a top five franchises when it comes to uh horror films, could you could you choose any?
SPEAKER_20You said some of mine, so I'll try and think of other ones. But I will say, like, I'm not even being biased. I'm not even like all jokes aside, Final Destination is my favorite. Like, I grew up watching the like it's so it's such a crazy weird turn of events that I ended up in one. Um, because I used to growing up, me and my best friend from like we were three years old, we went through elementary school, we went through high school together, and it was always our thought. I don't know why we were like deranged children for because like between the ages of like we were in elementary school for sure, and all we would do was have sleepovers and watch these terrifying movies. I don't know why, I don't know how our parents were letting us, but we my my relationship to Final Destination is that we made it a thing to watch all of them together in kind of like an event style sleepover. Um, so that's kind of heartwarming about like the most insane like series of events that could happen to people. Um, and to like bond over that in such a loving way, I mean that's my favorite. It's my favorite, of course. Um I would say paranormal activity, like the first few, those I don't know if we're allowed to swear on this podcast. Those fuck me up. I don't know what I'm allowed to say, but that should be. So I remember and I was I can't remember how old I was, but I'm a very superstitious person. Filipinos are very superstitious. I don't mess with ghosts. And I think the scariest thing about the par like the first time I watched paranormal activity was that you couldn't see the bad guy. Like there was no bad guy to be seen. There was just shit opening, like doors, people flying across rooms. And I couldn't like I couldn't sleep for weeks after seeing that because I was like, I'm gonna be, I'm gonna wake up and be levitating off of my bed because I decided to participate in evoking whatever spirits that came from this movie. Um yeah, so I would say paranormal activity. I would also say I also really like um I don't know if it counts as a franchise, but it feels like it does. I would say Psycho. Okay.
SPEAKER_10Um I mean the music.
SPEAKER_20It's just iconic, Psycho, and then I also really, really loved Bates Motel. I thought that was a great TV series that was shot in Vancouver. Very cool. Love that. Um I really liked, like you said, I really like Scream. I love, I love Scream. I also thought they did a really I thought that that was a great reboot as well with um Jenna and what is her name? Melissa. I loved those.
SPEAKER_15Yeah.
SPEAKER_20Like the bring like them bringing those back. I thought those worked really, really well.
SPEAKER_15What's your favorite scary movie?
SPEAKER_01Uh, The Babadook. It's an amazing meditation on motherhood and grief.
SPEAKER_13Isn't that a little fancy pants?
SPEAKER_01Well, it's elevated horror.
SPEAKER_13Uh-huh. Uh what does that mean, elevated horror?
SPEAKER_01You know, it's like scary, but with complex emotional and thematic underpinnings. It's not just some slocky cheese broth nonsense with wall-to-wall jump scares. How many did I list?
SPEAKER_09I think it was five. That was about five.
SPEAKER_20Also, Nightmare on Elm Street. Nightmare on Elm Street.
SPEAKER_09Ooh, yeah.
SPEAKER_20I could like I was afraid to go to sleep because like I feel like that's how I'm deciding on if they were my top five, if they like affected my sleep or everyday life.
SPEAKER_09The the sleep factor.
SPEAKER_20I love it.
SPEAKER_09Murray, what about you?
SPEAKER_08Um I think one of mine would would be I mean, I we kind of talked about this, but I didn't say this one because you guys already said like actually scary movies. So I'm gonna say one that's off. I'm gonna say Cloverfield. All of them. Yeah. So yeah, Cloverfield is Cloverfield actually is one of my uh favorite movies of all time, actually. Um so the first one was terrifying, of course. Um, because you know, I mean, at any moment aliens could I mean come true and just do whatever they want. Number one. Literally was terrifying was because of, you know what I mean, the part of not knowing what's going on. And then number three was terrifying because it was just weird. So I mean I mean I don't think it was uh uh a chlorofield uh paradox. Yeah, it was it was decent. I won't say terrifying, I think it was interesting to tie everything together. So I'll just say that. I love those, yeah. Yeah, so I'll say uh that and then I'll say Hills of Eyes, terrifying. Hills of Eyes and one and two. I don't remember if there's a third, but Hills of Eyes, one and two, terrifying, absolutely terrifying. Um Jeepers Creepers, terrifying. That's a guy that movie. I hate, hate, hate that movie. Still to this day is one of the scariest movies ever. I don't know why. I don't know. I'm a child. Um what else? What else? What else? I thought you were gonna say uh which one? Candyman. I thought you were gonna go for Candyman. Uh no, I'm not gonna go for Candyman. Uh the second one wasn't as scary. That's the only reason why. The first one was was terrifying. Um I'll go, I guess we're gonna just go trade ball and say uh Scream, because Scream is obviously a goaded one. And then um I'm trying to think of one random one. I'm trying to think of one random one. Franchise Saw. Yeah, Saw is Saw holds a very weird and dear part of my life. It's very weird, but very dear. It's such a weird thing because I I you don't want to watch it, but then at the same time, you can't stop watching it. You can't look away. I don't understand it. Yeah, it's like twisted, like uh like I remember I remember all of them, like the main ones too. Like it's like when I don't know, I don't know what was from this one when they had to get the blood and put a pint of blood in, and then she had to like slice his his hand all the way up to his oh god.
SPEAKER_19Oh god.
SPEAKER_08Oh my gosh, yeah, but anyways, that kind of stuff. So it's kind of weird that we I mean watch that stuff, but yeah. So I'll say songs.
SPEAKER_09Willingly uh The Purge too, uh, because we're thinking of Sa, I remember The Purge. Oh, yeah. Yeah, The Purge.
SPEAKER_03The Purge is not a horror movie. The purge is a documentary about it.
SPEAKER_09For sure, for sure. All right, we're gonna uh head to Act One, but before we do, we're gonna take a quick timeout. Don't go anywhere. We'll be right back with C and DM for this. Act one, having a great conversation with Caitlin and my brother Merv, talking about movies. It's been awesome. Caitlin, you already spoke about your introduction to the final destination franchise. But before we get into some more stuff behind that, and it's been great hearing some like little tidbits behind the scenes stuff, and we're we're cinephiles, so we're gonna really geek out over everything you tell us today. But when it comes to horror films, we always know associated with horror films, there's these things or terminology called the final girl. I was curious because technically or not technically, you kind of your character was, but kind of not really. Uh up until the end, uh we thought, we thought, we thought we had karate. Everything was sweet. Everything was sweet. We thought everything was sweet. But then you didn't. Um, but who is the greatest final girl in horror films? You already talked about the greatest franchises, but who's the greatest final girl?
SPEAKER_20The greatest final girl, I think. In the franchise or like in life?
SPEAKER_09In the life in life, in every horror film that you could think of. Because I don't remember a lot of people. There's so many options. There's so many options.
SPEAKER_20So many options. When that comes to my head, because I also just watched it recently, is probably Carrie. Does she count as a final girl?
SPEAKER_09Yeah. Yeah, she does.
SPEAKER_20I really like her and Carrie. I think I think Jamie Lee Curtis is also probably iconic. I was like, I didn't want to say Jamie because I I've said every single time I get asked this question, I'm like Jamie Lee Curtis right away. So I'm like, let me think of something else. Um, but I can't not say Jamie Lee Curtis. Like, she's Jamie Lee Curtis. Like, I don't even need to explain that. You know, she's still alive after all these times.
SPEAKER_08She's still kicking after Michael Myers. Killed her like bad times, huh? Or try to. I don't know. I swear he killed her, but uh who knows at this point.
SPEAKER_09Um her between her and Gail Withers, I don't know.
SPEAKER_08Uh her and Gil her and Gail Withers. Yeah, true true true. She's about everything. Mary, what about you?
SPEAKER_10Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Uh Niv Campbell, so uh she's a deep prescribed. Uh I don't I don't know. I don't know how she's still alive. She fights back, too. No, no, she no, no, as as as it goes on, she's like, yeah, I'm not playing no more, huh? I'm not playing, I'm not playing these guys no more. She's kicking back. Yeah, she's like, oh, I can kick and I can shoot. This Glock is very serious.
SPEAKER_03No training, no kind of shoot.
SPEAKER_09Like, uh I think uh mine is a little pivot. I don't know, because obviously I don't consider this a horror film, but I mean this is if this happened to your life, it'll be kind of horrific. But I would go Uma Thurman and kill Bill. Okay. Yeah, yeah. She survives. And then she's like, you know, no, she's she's a killer now. Don't get her wrong. Imagine being pivot at your wedding and that goes down. That's that's that's another mysterious thing still.
SPEAKER_10You're allowed to say that.
unknownThe only one left.
SPEAKER_17And when I arrive at my destination, I am gonna kill him.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, she got her get back in blood. So I I I I like that. Um, you kind of touched on this. You you you spoke about just the whole process, and I wonder since COVID, if things have changed, I've heard about just auditioning and that process being a little bit different now. But we want to know the ins and outs of it. Merv already spoke about it. We're kind of getting different opportunities, as blessed as basketball players, to get opportunities to act in certain things. And um, sometimes we feel a little guilty because we're like, wow, we didn't go to film school and all these things, but that we kind of bypass certain processes. So I'm very curious about just what happens and where your mindset is when it comes to an actor processing just the era of self-tapes, and then now when it comes to more digital stuff, or what's the what's what's that that process like for people who don't know?
SPEAKER_20Um it it definitely has its pros and cons. So before um before the pandemic, everything was in room, in person in front of the casting director, and it was uh there there's so many pros and cons. So I loved being in room in person because if you ever needed like a quick fix note, you could just get it in the room. They'd be like, Can you just do it one more time, do it again? But think of it this way. Um, and you could easily just do that. It's also, you know, you gotta be locked in for those things. So there's like a whole prep that you have to do before you go into the room, and and it feels like more of an event, and it feels a little bit more special than just being like in your room pretending like that there's like a man chasing you, and like there's like a pile of your clothes on the ground, and you're like, ah, like it's it's harder. I feel like sometimes that's harder to access. Um, and also getting to go in with like a reader there um with you who's new and you don't know, like it's it engages you to be able to listen and respond because you actually have no idea how this person is going to deliver a line. Um, however, that being said, one of the things that I do love about self-tapes is that I can just call any of my friends who I know how to work with or people that I've worked with in the past to come and read for me. And if we need to workshop a scene or like do something, I don't have to get it on the one. I have more opportunities to be able to kind of figure out what I want to do with the character and also have a scene partner that I know and trust. And I can be like, Can you say this line this way so I can say my line that way? Like it's it's more of like a collaborative like workshop of a scene. Um, however, with self-tapes too, you can go down the rabbit hole of taping a million takes and being like, I hate all of them, and then it just gets worse. Um but yeah, I mean I guess there's there's definitely pros and cons. It also really depends on what how you look at it as well. I think the world of self-tapes is such a a nice thing because you can also live anywhere in the world and and tape and not have to travel. And I live uh pretty outside. I live in Langley, which is like 45 during rush hour, it can take an hour and a half to get downtown for auditions. So it would take me I would be traveling sometimes for two to four hours there and back to be seen for five minutes and parking is crazy. Uh so it is nice to be able to get to do it from here. I will say though, I did my first Zoom chemistry read this year. And I don't I think we need to get rid of those because how do you prove that you have chemistry with somebody like like like imagine us right now being given lines and having to like pretend that I I know you and love you, like it's just like so awkward, and then they put you into these like little breakout rooms beforehand, and you're just trying to small talk, but it's like what like what do we do? Like there's like noise, like there's glit it's just strange. So I still love self-taping. I think it's kind of probably where I would rather be right now, um, just because I like to have more than one go at something. Um and it also creates more access to more people across the world, more talent, um, more walks of life, um different types like you can anybody can audition. Anyone can it it just makes it more accessible for uh filmmakers to find cool people and for cool people to be able to find their way into film um and not have this like elitist view of oh, if you only have this connection to that person and you can get to this place, then you can audition for this movie. Um it makes it easier for anyone to be able to access the world of acting and filmmaking, which is something that I think is beautiful.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, that's awesome. Uh one of Mia Murr's favorite shows is Friends, and there's an episode where Joey is about to go in and read. I want I was curious, is it as much of a chaotic experience or mental warfare? Is it true, or is that just for comedic hijinks where you see people with similar, you know, body structures, looks to you that they're calling in for casting? So, like as you're walking into the room, you see 10 different versions of what that character could be and similar to your look. Is that like intimidating, or is that or what do you walk into because I know like for us, Merv, remember when we had Basel uh trials back in the day? You walk in, you might see a 6'10 man, you're like, oh, okay, all right, this is this is what we're doing. Okay, all right. It's supposed to be a long day. Or you walk in and you see some scrubs and you're like, okay, this is what we're doing. All right, it's about to be I'm on the team for sure. So what's that like mental warfare before you approach walking into a room when it was before um digital tapes?
SPEAKER_20I mean, it's still terrible for me. I hate it. I hate it still. I like I'll be like, oh my god, that's what they want. They don't want me. But I mean, I I have to do like also I probably should go to therapy, but um I it's it's tough. It's it's tough because it's like, you know, only one of us can get it. Um but it's also nice because it's like, oh, I'm not alone in in wanting to do this. There are people. I mean, the friends thing is so accurate. Like, I've been in rooms where I'm like, wow, I'm literally wearing the same outfit as this girl. Like, we have the same haircut, like it's crazy. Um but sometimes I think what was hardest for me and like growing up, going into those rooms is a lot of the times, it's it's an interesting experience as an actor for me. And this is something that I've always kind of struggled with is is in the world of being a like a biracial person because I'm half white and half Filipino. Um there's a lot of times where in breakdowns it'll say open ethnicity. Um, or if there's like a specific character that has to be like white or has to be Asian or has to be this specific thing, um I'll go in for those things sometimes. Um but what's hard for me is is it's kind of hard to like compare yourself to people that fit more in what the character looks like. Um and it's sometimes like that's I think that's maybe the hardest thing for me is like I've gone into rooms where it's supposed to be like a blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl next door. Um and then I'll get there and I'll be like, well, what the hell am I doing here? Like in but it's also like it's hard in ways where it's like it's nice that they're giving me a chance to like see something different. But sometimes it does get hard to constantly be the person that's the oh, let's let's see if we like something different, girl. You know, that's what's that's the hardest thing to combat.
SPEAKER_08Like we talked about with basketball, you know what I mean? Like some teams are looking for a certain type of player, and you're just like, yo, like I don't fit the mold of what you may be looking for, but at the same time, like I know what I can do, I know what my abilities are, and I know what I can bring to the table. Like and and like like I said, if you don't like it, fuck them. You know what I mean? If somebody will, you know what I mean, and and eventually down the line or something like that. So I see a lot of similarities. I see a lot of similarities.
SPEAKER_09As long as you're impact winning, man. Uh impact winning in the box office or making sure that the film's a good film, or impact winning on the court, making sure that you get an opportunity to win a championship or win games. Box office and box score bars. Uh listen, uh, when it comes to Final Destination, I'm curious. I'm nosy. What's the first thing you did when you found out that you got the job?
SPEAKER_20Um, I feel like I blacked out. Honestly, I'll tell you the story of how they told me. They like to Adam and Zach, our directors, they like to play games. I don't know if you heard the story about how they got their jobs. They um they basically had like on their last pitch, they basically they like pranked the entire creative team. They like uh they staged like a tragic accident that happened in their living room where like a ceiling fan fell off and severed one of their heads, and then something caught on fire. And they played it like they had to record it at the exact right time of day for lighting, and they had to wear the exact same clothes, and then they they played it during their final pitch in the Zoom meeting, so everyone was like, What the fuck? And then obviously it was a joke, but it they got the job, so it helped.
SPEAKER_11Very bold.
SPEAKER_20Yeah, so bold, such a bold thing to do. So when I when they offered me the job, they called me back three weeks after my final callback when I was already like freaking out. Um, it was on Zoom, and then they they messaged my agent uh literally the day before our cafe also opened. So there was a lot happening already. Um, and my agent or my sorry, my managers called me and they were like, they want to just get on a Zoom with you to like talk about character and things. And I was like, what does that mean? Like, I've like, what do you mean? Like, I haven't looked at the sides in in three weeks. I don't even know what I said. I have to go home. And they were like, Can you do two hours from now? And I was like, Yeah, what? Okay. So I was freaking out, trying to learn my lines again because I was like, they're gonna make me do the scene again. Um, and I got onto this Zoom call and like there were so many people, like the producers casting um our directors, and they were asking me about like what it was like to grow up in a Filipino household. And and then they asked me, they showed me, they asked me like if I am okay with gore and I lied because I'm so not. Um and then they like they showed me a storyboard drawing of this girl with blood all over her face, and they were like, How do you feel about this? And I was like, Yeah, I love blood. I love doing these games.
SPEAKER_06Please show me more.
SPEAKER_20And then I know I was like, what else do you want? Like, why I thought we were gonna talk about character. What are we doing? Um and then they were like, so we actually just got you on this call because we wanted to offer you the role of Stephanie Reyes or Stephanie Lewis. Her name was Lewis at the point at this point. Stephanie, Stephanie. Um, and I just kind of like sat there in shock. And I don't remember what happened after that, but I started like crying. And then after I got off the call, I'm pretty sure I called my mom and was just inconsolably crying. Yeah. Yeah, I called, I also called my friend who I used to watch all the Final Destination movies with. Um which was we were freaking out, it was crazy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08That's big, that is big time right there.
SPEAKER_18Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Holy.
SPEAKER_18So how is Darlene? Your mom? Okay. Oh. Uh no, I I don't I don't know. She uh she left when I was 10, so we don't we don't see her anymore. But you saw my letters, that's why you're here, right? No. Um I I'm actually here because I've been dreaming about the Skyview.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_18Yeah, every single night for the past two months, it's it's the same dream.
SPEAKER_08After you got the role, how long after did you have to start shooting, and how was it like on set? And how was it like interacting with people? And of course, how was the gore? Because you signed up for something that you said you'd liked and you didn't like it.
SPEAKER_20Yeah, I can't. I still can't do it. I can't. No. Um, so we were after I got the offer, we were actually supposed to go to camera five weeks from then, but the sag after strike happened, so we had many months of just me freaking out, being like, oh my god, the movie's cancelled. They're taking it away from me. I'll never do it. Um but it happened, so we were fine. Once the sag strike ended, we went to camera in March of 2024, I believe. Um and it was it was so like it was just the coolest thing. Like, I mean, it's the coolest thing I've ever done. Uh I think the one of the most prominent things for me was that when I was auditioning and when I was reading the scripts for the first time, I think I said this like two minutes ago. Her the character's name was Stephanie Lewis. Um, and once the SAG strike was starting to come to like um an agreement, we started slowly kind of touching base on what the movie was gonna be and how we were gonna do it, and it was all kind of different from the draft that they had initially sent me. Um, so they sent me the first or the the next draft um of the script, and I opened it in my email, and I saw that her name had changed from Stephanie Lewis to Stephanie Reyes. Um and I cried because I was like, wow, you are making her Filipino. Like you're making you're seeing me. Um you're putting me into this movie. Um which I thought like who gets to say that you know, a character's name changed for them just because of who they were. Um so in the development process of what this movie was gonna be, I had meetings with Zach and Adam and the production team and the props and uh the designers about what Filipino culture kind of looks like. I made them like PDF documents of like crash courses on what we have in our homes, like the food we eat, like words we use, um karaoke machines, lumpia, things like that. Um, and I send it to them and they loved it, and they put it all into the movie, uh, which was that was one of the coolest things for me to see. Yeah, I think that that was really cool. Uh a lot of our auditions also were we had to do like improv. And I guess all across the board, all of the actors in our callbacks had to do improv takes. Um, basically, we read the scene and they were like, okay, do it how you would say it. And uh in my specific audition, there was one scene that didn't end up being in the movie where I had to convince um my brother to leave me, um, leave me behind. And in the audition, they were like, we want you to improv that scene, but we're only gonna let you stop doing it if we believe you. And I was like, oh my God, okay, sure. Um, but because they did that to all of us, um, we were all kind of good at being able to find improv within the movie and within the pages and within the script. Um, so we got to rehearse things together and just improv scenes to see if anything would make it into the movie. Um, onset. I mean, it was, I think it was the best set I've ever worked on. Everybody was so cool, so chill. Um, our directors had kind of a method of how they liked to shoot things. We would shoot things by the script. Um, we would do an improv take in however you wanted to say your lines and just see where it ended up. And then we would do something called a silent take, which was really cool. Um, which was do the entire scene, but no one's allowed to speak. You're only allowed to like look and use your facial expressions for lines and things like that, which is so beneficial because it's like an acting exercise, and maybe some things are better left unsaid and can be communicated with just a look. But because we also had such a huge ensemble cast in the editing room, if you missed a look or if you didn't get something there didn't have like a certain shot of a sp a specific person, you could go back through all of the silent takes and just find it in there. Wow. So that was yeah. I've never I'd never done that before. I'd never even thought about that before. But I mean, if I ever end up directing or or being part of a creative team in that sense, that is something that I will take with me forever. So it just saves you so much. Um but yeah, I mean, such it was such a cool experience. We had like three months of all of us living in downtown Vancouver together, that it also kind of felt like college. It was crazy, it was so fun. Um, yeah, I think did I answer the question?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, no, you did. That's insane. I love hearing stories uh of people on set, seeing people grow and come together. I think uh I want to know what was your favorite scene to film and what was because we hear so many stories. Uh specifically, Merv and I always hear stories about, for example, David Fincher, a guy who I think is infamous for making you do 100 and something takes, gets it precise. And it's not even because your performance is maybe wrong or something, it's just because he's so precise with the camera movement and all that. You heard a guy like Stanley Kubrick who made someone walk through a door a hundred times as well. It's like you're just walking through a door. So what was the longest take that you had, and what was kind of the best film that you you kind of uh uh I guess filmed that was your favorite?
SPEAKER_20The hardest, so I feel like I have two answers for this. Um, the hardest, the longest scene, or what felt like the long, I don't even know if it was the longest or not. It felt like it was, um, was all the water stuff. That we were in that was at the very end of the shoot. Those were my last few days, um, which was all of the water stunts, me fake drowning um in the trailer thing. Uh we shot that over the course of maybe three, two, three days, if I remember correctly, or two, three evenings, because we had to push into night shoots by that point. And because of like union rules, you have to have uh a certain amount of time before you're allowed to go back to work. Um, so because we had to shoot some nights up in the cabin stuff, we were already on like a night shoot schedule. So I was in like the water in the pool or in the in the pool thing that they created in studio for us um overnight. From like prune it up. Yeah, pruning I couldn't my eyes, I couldn't see for like three days because of the salt, uh the chlorine. Like I couldn't see. It was so bad. It was tough. That was that was really tough, but it was also really rewarding to be able to get to like do my own stunts and and feel like the physicality of you know what a seatbelt feels like when it's locking you in and and you know that's terrifying your spatial awareness and like what it looks like, what it feels like. Um and also getting to like kind of do like free diving training beforehand um to learn how to like I did like the stuff that Kate Winslit did in that movie where you like learn to slow your breathing. Yeah, yeah, where you like learn to slow your breathing and how to get your body to like a resting state where you don't need as much oxygen. Um, but obviously it's much more difficult when you're like thrashing around in the water and like drowning um and like kind of purposefully drowning yourself for the sake of a scene. Um, but yeah, I think that was my toughest day, but it was really made easier by our wonderful stunt team and by the camera team, and it was it was cool, it was very cool, one of the coolest things I'll ever do. Uh so that was my longest day. Um my favorite day, my favorite scene to shoot was with Tony Todd. Um Legend.
SPEAKER_07Oh yeah. Oh geez.
SPEAKER_20I I've never R.I.P. Yeah, R.I.P. He is he's the best person that I've ever had the experience of getting to work with. Um and he's also somebody who did theater and film. Um so he and he's huge. Like he's this huge man. Um and I here I am, like little old me beside him in the makeup trailer, and I was afraid of him because you know, you see him on all these scary movies and you see him candyman, and and he like the first thing like he turned to me and he was so sweet and so kind and is just like the gentlest soul. We talked about theater, we talked about the Philippines because he shot platoon in the Philippines. He brought it up to me in the weirdest, in the funniest way, too. He was like, So where are you from? Like, where is you like what's your ethnicity? I was telling him um for uh my family's from the Philippines, and he was like, Oh, I shot a little movie there.
SPEAKER_09A little, and I was like, Oh yeah, like what one?
SPEAKER_20He's like platoon, and I was like, Oh yeah, just that little old Academy Award. And that was his first film, I believe. I think that was his first film, and I was like, Wow, to have that as your like you are like you're an icon that that was your first film you ever did.
SPEAKER_11Right.
SPEAKER_20Um But yeah, lots of knowledge passed down from him. Um in the the final, like the take that we ended up using of his in the film was one of those improv takes that I ended up there that I was talking about earlier. Um we did the scene with him a couple of times. I think we were there with him for like a whole day. Um, and there's a specific scene in the movie where he kind of like says farewell to us and good luck and all that stuff. That was his improv take. And they gave him one and they were like, Tony, what do you want to say to people?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, I was emotional, man.
SPEAKER_20Um yeah. And I when I saw it, I cried. I mean, when I was there on the day watching him say it, I was like, oh um, this is this is this is him really saying farewell to the Final Destination franchise and and to the fans and and to his career. Like it was just the most beautiful thing, and and to be able to see it at the premiere, um, I think everybody was crying. I think like it was just beautiful, such an icon. So, yeah, that was my favorite scene to film, to just get to be there with him and like learn from one of the greats.
SPEAKER_05So, what? You're just gonna leave us here? Dude, who needs your help? Where are you going? I intend to enjoy the time I have left, and I suggest that you do the same. Life is precious. Enjoy every single second. You never know when. Good luck.
SPEAKER_08That's fantastic. That scene alone felt like it was before he even said it was improv, it felt like improv. It felt like he just like spoke from his soul. Like it didn't feel like, oh, like I wrote that down. Like I it felt like he was literally just speaking to us. And obviously speaking to you guys in the movie. But he felt like more like he was looking at the audience and just telling us about you know I mean, like how he's feeling and how he's accepted it and everything like that. And I was just like, wow, like I got a little teary-eyed too. I was like, dang, you know what I mean? I'm scared of this guy, but like at the same time, you know what I mean. You look at him and obviously he passed away, and you're looking at him, he's so slim and everything, and I'm just like, wow, like we don't realize how how well we knew him or how much we cared about him until he said that piece. So that's such an interesting part, and obviously, obviously, it was such a blessing to be able to work with him in his in his farewell moment, you know what I mean? That's it's such a blessing to be able to do that. So um greatness, of course.
SPEAKER_10Um greatness, yeah.
SPEAKER_08But um, but after doing everything and going through everything like that, the entire set and rap and everything like that, did you see the film being as like I guess it sounds weird, but did you predict it being as successful as it was? Obviously, you don't want it to be a bad movie, of course. But did you see it being like a massive financial success outside of an audience success as well?
SPEAKER_09Especially because I like I heard, or not even heard, like I said, Makan and I worked on a couple sets and done a little, you know, little little special skill stuff on the side. Nothing weren't we weren't the we weren't the uh the lead actor in the movie like you, but we we done some stuff on set. And it's crazy to think, for example, we have something that's like premiering a summer league uh this week um that we filmed last year, and the whole process of like when people are are commenting, congratulating us, and I was like, wait, I forgot I even did this. Uh that's not how long ago we did it. So so just to tie into that question, I know there's like a factor of a waiting period of like we filmed this last year, years prior, and there's like an editing process. So, like, do you even like forget about it sometimes? Oh wait, the movie is coming out.
SPEAKER_20Like I don't know that I ever forgot about it. I think I thought about it every single day because it was one of and not just because I was like, I can't wait for people to see this. I was just like, I I had such a great time on that set that I was like, I would love to watch the movie so I can remember like the the amazingness of what it felt like to be there. So I guess maybe I was watching it for very different reasons than other people, and also I was just very excited for this franchise. I mean, it's my favorite my favorite one for it to come back. Um, I was obviously also terrified because I was like, this is everybody's this is one of so many people's favorites or one of their favorite like horror franchises. So I was always either really stressed because I was like, I hope they like it. Like I don't want it, I don't want it to be the one that does bad. Um, I would be so upset. Um, but I was also just so excited to be able to get to see, you know, the people who became my friends get to, you know, revel in the success of what I I kind of knew was gonna happen. Like I knew that it was gonna do well because I was waiting for this movie to come out. I was waiting for this one. When it dropped in my inbox for the email, I was like, oh shit, they're making one of these again. I can't wait to see that. Um, but yeah, I I don't think that I anticipated it being number one movie in the world at one point in the summer. I I did not anticipate it hitting the box office at over 300 million. Like that was insane. I still don't really even know how to compute that and what I don't even really know what that means.
SPEAKER_07Sure was far as well.
SPEAKER_20Yeah, like I think when I was getting the information told to me, I was also like in LA during this time, and while I was there, we kind of like my family had all come out and we had kind of had like a vacation together, and like my nieces were there, so we like were in Disneyland, and my producers were like, Did you see the box office record? And I'm just on like rides at Disneyland. Being like, Yeah, this is fucking crazy. This is insane. Um but yeah, no, I guess I guess I never anticipated it, anticipated it to be this like widely received. Um, so that was the the best surprise of it all. Well, you deserved it, man.
SPEAKER_08And I think we watched this one together, right? We watched one together. I watched it with my my brother's store.
SPEAKER_09That shit was OD. But I remember we we we saw it a couple times in the theater. Um, we ran it back. So you died. Yeah, it was really that good. Oh yeah. Now, I'm about to ask you the impossible before we go to act two. Rank the Final Destinations film. Can you do that? From your favorite to your least favorite. I know there's six movies. Including mine. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_20Including mine?
SPEAKER_09Including yours.
SPEAKER_20Well, I'm gonna say mine's first because I'm nice and I don't care.
SPEAKER_09Damn right. Damn right. That's right.
SPEAKER_20And you know what? I'm gonna toot my own horn by being like, this is the first time you have a first, like a person of color in the lead roles. Um, this is the first time it's like a story-driven, like they the the plot of this movie was developed before the kills. So they really wanted to focus on story um in terms of this movie, and then they put they have like a playbook of kills and crazy ways to die. Craig and Sheila, the producers of this movie, have told me that they have like a Bible of crazy ways that people die.
SPEAKER_08That's concerned.
SPEAKER_20Um and I was like, you're sick. You're sick. Craig Parity is sick, and I hope he listens to this and hears me say that he's sick. Um, Sheila, I love you, I miss you. If you're listening, but Craig Parity, you're sick. Um he yeah, so I I'm gonna say that mine's first. Um and also because I'm in it. Hello.
SPEAKER_11Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_20Uh and then I will say my number two. My number my it's gonna be number one because that was the introduction to the whole thing, and what a crazy premise. Like the idea that little things in your home and and mundane things, every like there's no other franchise, I mean, that I know of, anyways, where there's no like physical it like the the antagonist is in the window. You know what I mean? Yeah, that's not like a person who's a ghost. I guess maybe paranormal activity is there, but but paranormal activity is still a ghost. Like the the final destination franchise makes you scared of nothing and every little thing around you. Um, and so I'm gonna have to say number one is is first or next after mine because it was the intro. Um, I'm gonna say next up is number three, um, because I love the roller coaster aspect to that. That roller coaster, I don't know if it's still here, but it was in Playland in Vancouver. Oh wow. And like all of these movies, I think except for number four, were shot in in Vancouver. So to see all like the landmarks. Yeah, I don't know. You you can't go on that one anymore, but I remember like after watching that movie, I would go onto that roller coaster and pray before and be like, don't kill me, please.
SPEAKER_08I don't know, I was a child.
SPEAKER_20But yeah, God helped me. So he didn't let me die on that thing. Um so I'll say, yeah, so number three, and also because somebody who went to my high school, Amanda Crew, was in that movie. She played um The Sister. Uh, so that's kind of cool that there's like a connection between Final Destination movies and the theater program at my high school. Oh nice. Um and then number two uh is next, I'll say. I like the logs. Man, fuck those logs. I like the logs, I guess. Um, and then I don't know where I'm gonna put number five because I really like the way that they tied the beginning of the franchise in. Maybe I'm reordering it all now. I don't know. I don't know. I'll say I'll put five there because I already talked about the other ones. Um but I like the way that they kind of full circled that whole scenario at the beginning of the first movie. Um and then number four's last because it wasn't filmed in Vancouver.
SPEAKER_09I love that. I love that answer. It's amazing. Uh yo Merv, I gotta go number two for the first one. She talked about what the logs to this day. If I see a truck with logs, what? I'll drive the shoulder before I do that. I'll pull over. Oh, oh yeah. Uh to that. I'll go home by site. Oh, you turn on the highway. I'll go out the way. Um, the next one, I have to go bloodlines, of course, not to say that because you're here, but but it was also an incredible film. And I just thought that uh the kill scenes were iconic and even just a staging of it. I mean, we'll talk about some of the best kill scenes. Then I will go with the first one. Then I will go with Foundation 3, probably go with four, and then the last one would probably be five for me.
SPEAKER_15Really?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, yeah. I wasn't really a fan of the fifth one.
SPEAKER_08What about you, Murph? Do I be honest or or do I do I do no? I'm guessing. Um I think I'm gonna go.
SPEAKER_20I think I'm gonna You just say you hit my angle most. No, I don't.
SPEAKER_08I don't. I I think I don't care. I think three three is the one I watch the most, which is weird. I I watched it the most. So three, um, I would say is number one for me. Um there's there's some brutal kills in there. Brutal. Yeah. Um and then of course I'll go logs because of the elevator. Elevator joint is I still to this day elevators scare me simply because of that. That that one's kind of crazy. Um then I'll go uh then I'll go bloodlines, and then I'll go number one. Um, and then yeah, I'll go, I'll go five and then four. Four was just whatever. But five was five was I actually liked five because of how uh, like you said, they like brought it all together. I really like five for that reason. And also I get acupuncture, and I till this day I still am terrified. Yeah, terrified. Terrified of needles for that exact reason.
SPEAKER_09So so yeah, no, that's that'll be my nah. That's a great list. All right, we're gonna take a quick timeout. We'll be back with more CDMs after this. Another great conversation with a goat. Yeah, I'm gonna say we're with a goat. And when we talk about you in this space of acting, I'm curious because just like you know, there's a lot of similarities and parallels between basketball or the world athletics and obviously the art, the performance, the the performance of art. But what is the hardest thing or most difficult thing about being an actor, if you have to say?
SPEAKER_20Um I feel like there's that's a really for me right now. I think the hardest thing about being an actor is kind of the inconsistency of not knowing when your next job is. Like I guess the hardest thing about being an actor is not being an actor. Um if I can phrase it correctly, like I love being on set. Like, even even at on in this movie, um, I was there almost every day except for when they were shooting um the first six minutes of the like the flashback stuff. Um, but even when I wasn't called, I was there every single day because I just wanted to watch. So I think the hardest part is not being able to, you know, have such easy access to the creative aspects of what movie making is. And and and and yes, of course you can you can find that stuff by watching movies and reading and and going to see shows and and doing that, but there's really nothing like like being in it. Um yeah, so I think that that's that's probably the hardest part is not knowing when you get to do that part of the job next.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, you know what's crazy? Uh I know we're gonna be t uh Merv and I have an episode coming up where we're gonna be talking about Nicolas Cage and his filmography is vast. I mean, that man makes a movie every single month. So when you were talking about that, it just reminded me of that because I know in That movie with Pedro Pascal, the massive unbearable talent of whatever Nicholas Cage. I know his character was talking about like everyone's mad at me because I'm doing a movie, you know, three, four, five movies a year, but he's like, hello, I'm a working actor. Like, what should like I want to feed my family? I don't want to know when he said that. I was like, oh, I guess that's right. Because sometimes me and Marv are like, why is he him and Bruce Willis, like, geez, 10 movies a month? Whatever, fam.
SPEAKER_08Jump in whatever they pay.
SPEAKER_09How much do they pay you? But if you love the craft, and you know, obviously it's a job, right? People forget that. So that's a that's a great point. Would you is it almost like would you rather be on a TV show then where it's like you know you have inconsistent work, or you still just think there's nothing comparable to movies?
SPEAKER_20It's it's different. I mean, TV shows, like if you you mean even if you do like a mini-series or or something like that, you get to delve into so much more character work than you would be able to get in like a three-month thing, but also there's nothing like I mean any of it, honestly. I'm not really picky with what I I mean, I am picky with what I will and won't do, of course. But like when it comes to like film versus TV or theater, I just like to make art. I just like to be a part of it. I like to be in that community, I like to learn things about different departments. Um I just like to be immersed in some form of art, I guess, is a short answer. That's awesome.
SPEAKER_08Okay. Okay. Um, well, if we get back to the topic of final destination, um what is your top three final destination kill scenes of all time? We kind of touched on a couple of them already, but um mine are that gymnastics one. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_20And you're telling me the fifth one was your least fave and the way you just reacted to that.
SPEAKER_09I know, I know.
SPEAKER_20That is the craziest thing I've ever seen.
SPEAKER_09Oh my gosh, I'm just remembering it. Oh my god, my back. Yeah, that one's insane. I mean, but listen the one that you guys had in Bloodlines with the MRI machine. I'm gonna tell you why that one's crazy for me. Because growing up, I used to love this movie called The One, right? With Jetly, um young Delroy Lindo in that movie, young Jason Statum in that movie. It came out in 2000, 2001. But there's that scene where he's uh his clone is in the in the MRI and he is so loud, and the gun gets caught in there when the other Jetly characters looking for him. But I remember when I went to one of those things before and I'm like, oh, it really is loud in here. But the the way they set that scene up, it makes me never want to go and get an MRI or or get those type of things again because that was crazy. And when you talk about, oh, we thought he was gonna make it, whatever, whatever the vending machine, there's a lot of things and different aspects of that film or that that kill sequence that was so unpredictable, but it it was so effective. I love that.
SPEAKER_20Yeah, I think, yeah. Well, that was my other that was like my next one. I think that one was crazy. I mean, I got to see the way that I was there that day when they were shooting it because I would go all the time. And the way that they had done the stunt for it was so cool. So it felt easier for me to watch it because I was like, oh, I know how this happens. Oh, yeah. Um, but it's still I still was having a hard time watching it, even though I knew exactly how they did the stunt. Um, but yeah, like just limbs and bones breaking is horrifying to me. Like, ow. Um so yeah, I would say that that the MRI one is is also one of mine. And then I think what would my other one be? Oh, I think it might be, I mean, well, the log thing, but that's kind of let me choose a different one. Um the eye surgery one. I guess it's the number five as well. Um the eye surgery one, I mean, she didn't even die from the eye surgery one. She like fell out the window. But I think it's just so cool the way I mean, I guess for all of those three that I picked, it's all scenes or or deaths that you did not see coming. Like you knew they were about to go, you just didn't know how. And then there's okay, so there's one more that's I guess I'll say is an honorable mention, but I still can't watch it, and it's in my movie, and it's not even a kill, really. But in the very first scene with with Breck, or sorry, Iris, the de-gloving with the ring. Oh my gosh, I'm gonna think about this as well. I watched this movie so many times because I was going to see it with different family members, different friends, different premiere, different watch, like so many things. I still cannot watch her slipping by her finger and ring. Like, I still can't watch it. I can't do it. I like can't like it's not even a kill, and that is one of the grossest things that this franchise has ever like bestowed upon us. It's horrify, like it's horrible. I think that might be grosser than some of the kills to me. Like, just imagine what that feels like. Yeah, I don't even want to imagine, like, horrifying. Ew. He's gonna throw up. We need to take another race so he can go throw up.
SPEAKER_08I'm just gonna say the the eye one, Dwayne, as you know, is a very personal one to me. Yeah, of course. Because I have to get eye surgery, I have to get eye surgery myself. So I'm sorry. No, no, it's not you. Final destination's fault. It's not you. Blame them.
SPEAKER_19Yeah, blame Craig.
SPEAKER_08Get him on the phone. Um, so that one already, but you already said that one, so I won't say that one. I'll say one of them, even though it wasn't one of my favorite movies, when the uh the guy um in four got his uh guts sucked out of his body through the in the pool? Yeah, ooh, that one that one bothered me a lot. I don't know why, but it really bothered me. That was very unsettling for sure. That one really bothered me. So I'm gonna go with that one. Um in three, uh there's there's two, but I think I have to go one of them. It was definitely the weights.
SPEAKER_11Yeah. Oh god.
SPEAKER_08The weights that scares me to this day. I make sure all the weights are locked into place. Locked into place because I don't have that happen.
SPEAKER_20There's only one little mistake you can make and it's done.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, okay. Better use some clips, tell you that. That's what I'm saying. And then um, I think one of the worst ones is definitely the uh the barbed wire to that guy that was standing there and slid him wide. Oh my gosh. Yo, it is his body didn't come apart until like the he was standing there for like a second, and his body just slid apart. Uh yeah, that one.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, that was pretty bad. So that's bad.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_09I'll throw in the tanning bed one too. The tanning bed was iconic, iconic one right there. Iconic. Catch a flight to Jamaica and just walk on the beach, you'll be fine. I don't know why you gotta go to the fake tanning. Exactly.
SPEAKER_19Yeah, you yeah.
SPEAKER_09But we like to relate uh basketball to movies, Caitlin. So for us, and and and shout out to you, because you went to a couple band this game. We need to see it, see us some more. But um basketball and and and movies go hand in hand for us, obviously. So we like to do this thing where we talk about the best player of the film, so MVP of the film, or the sixth man who is that's the person that comes off the bench makes the most impact.
SPEAKER_10Yes.
SPEAKER_09Uh, and then we have the coach of the year. So who do you think is the MVP of the Bloodlines film? So specifically the film that you are a part of. Who do you think was the MVP? It's fine to choose yourself. And then who do you think is the sixth man? And who do you think is the coach of the year when it comes to the film and why?
SPEAKER_20MVP is Eric slash Richard Harmon. Um why? Because he's Richard Harmon. Uh I don't know. He was able to bring I thought, I mean, it was so cool to watch him work because he um, you know, the character was completely lifted off the page in a different way that I thought he would take. You just love him. He's an asshole in this movie, but you just love him so much. He made you like you just love him. Um uh the sixth man is not I don't think it's a person, I think it's the logs.
SPEAKER_09I like that.
SPEAKER_20I think it's the logs. Oh, what was the other one?
SPEAKER_09The kosher the year. Uh the kosher the game, I'm sorry. The kosher the game.
SPEAKER_20Darlene, probably. The mom. I would say. Or no. Sorry, Rhea. I love you. Uh it's Tony. It's Tony. It has to be Tony because he he gave us the legacy. He was he we sat around and and we talked about what this movie was gonna be and and what it what it did for him and and how much he loved it. Um so to literally just sit there and have him talk about what this franchise was to him and how to move forward with it with Grace is like the literally the coach. Is he not? Like he gave this to us. Yeah.
SPEAKER_09Great answer. Great answer.
SPEAKER_08Merv, how about you? Well, we're obviously sitting here with the MVP, obviously. So that's very evident. We're sitting here with the MVP. So that's not very hard to do. I would say the sixth man, um uh man, I want to give it to I want to give it to to Eric. Uh Richard, Richard. But at the same time, I feel like a lot of people, I don't want to give the same answer, but I do think that he did a great job. So I think that I'll give it to Richard as well. I think that he was a great sixth man. I like the energy that he came with. Um, and especially since he didn't die at the beginning of the film, like I thought he was going to. Obviously, he was like set up to die the entire time and then just didn't. And uh like Death was confused, um, or uh whatever. So I really like that. And I would say that the coach, coach would be um what's her name? How do you say her name? Gabriel Gabriel Gabriel Rose, yeah. I would say she is simply because she came with the, you know what I mean? She was trying to put people on, you know, I mean she was trying to tell people what was going on and still, and then yeah, true. And then she tried to come out and save you, and that's that's that's when she did. Um, but she was the one that she was the one that like knew everything and kind of tried to put everybody on, just like Tony did. Just like Tony tried to, she tried to put everybody on. So I would say that she is definitely the the sorry the coach personally, coach of the year.
unknownOkay.
SPEAKER_10I like that.
SPEAKER_09I gotta go with Tony Scott, uh Tony Todd for MVP for sure. Um, again, just knowing the circumstances of it being the last film, uh, me and Merv don't really watch a lot of trailers, so going into the film, I didn't know much about just the storylines of what bloodlines was gonna be. Obviously, familiarity with it because we're fans of the franchise. But you know, whenever there's a recent death and you always find out these things about like this was his last performance, I think it's just extra emotional, and I think he really delivered. So I'll give him the MVP. Six Man, you know what? I'm not even gonna go with person, I'm gonna go with the practical effects team. I don't know who was leading that, but you talked about the stunts, you talked about the practical effects, the garbage compactor, just the different stuff that they're able to do. I mean, it was so cool, and and me and Murb are big fans of practicality. I think that's why we're so excited for Christopher Nolan's Odyssey. But you know, I'm not you know, CGI is cool, but I love when things are done practicality-wise. So shout out to the practical effects team because they made it so amazing. And then the coach. I don't know. I think the coach has to be the fans. I think I don't want to be cliche, but shout out to the fans for showing out. Recently, obviously, theaters, you know, kind of took a dive and a hit when it came to you know COVID and people not going to the movies, everyone's like being lazy, loving streaming. But people got out and supported this movie so much that there's probably gonna be a number seven, so much that I feel like now we have this kick start to the horror success train that we're on, you know, like Leviticus, Obsession, um, Hokum, like all these movies are doing well in theaters, the backrooms, and I think it's a testament to what you guys started last year, and and it's a continuation of it. So, shout out to horror and and final destination's bloodlines for getting people back out into the movies. But I think that would probably be my answer for that one.
SPEAKER_08So, outside of Final Destination, of course, I would like to ask what movie best describes you and who you are if you had an answer for that. Obviously, we talked about Titanic a a bunch of times. Yes, but um, do you think that that is it's I feel like it's a couple things.
SPEAKER_20I feel like there's a I would say maybe one movie that I've really related to over the course of my like I guess young teenagehood and then going into adulthood and stuff like that, um, is probably Ladybird. I think it also highlights a mother-daughter relationship in a really intense and beautiful way. Um I mean, I love my mom to death, and and that's not to say that it wasn't hard growing up. Um, because I think her and I are are very she and I are very much alike and and we kind of like butted heads growing up. But it's only I mean, I I guess it's kind of like once you get older you start to realize that your parents are literally just people who are doing this for the first time as well. Um but you know, to to watch that depicted on screen to see like the nuances of what that's like when you're a young kid just wanting to grow up and be cool and you know do what it is that adults do and you don't even know.
SPEAKER_14Mom, aren't you sort of proud that I'm so close to getting in? Just a little. I mean, yes, I know it was probably easier because 9-11 and less people applying with terrorism and all that, but still though, I'm sorry. I know I can lie and not be a good person, but please, Mom. Please. I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to hurt you. I I appreciate everything you've done for me. I'm ungrateful, and I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry I wanted more.
SPEAKER_20Please. Um, I think that's maybe something that I can say describes who I am. I also think maybe. I mean, this is not I mean, I'm not really like this in any way, shape, or form, but uh, when I saw Wicked for the first time, that was one of the first musicals I ever watched um on Broadway on like a New York trip for my school. And maybe it made me feel more like myself because it was something that kind of drew me into this profession. Um, and I also just love musicals. Like I love musical theater, and I think that's one of the best ones that's been done um from stage to screen. Uh so I guess those are my two answers, I would say. Okay.
SPEAKER_09Okay. That's a good combination right there. Yeah, I kind of have a solid combination because I couldn't settle on one. I think, you know, the dark night, because you know what? I am Batman, and I delusionally think I am. So after watching the Dark Knight as a kid, that best describes my life.
SPEAKER_13What the hell are you?
unknownI'm Batman.
SPEAKER_09But nah, seriously, I think it'd probably be a mixture between like the Godfather one and two, just because of like Okay, the Godfather series teaches you about like legacy and patience and family. I think all those things like taught me so much, and that's like what I represent too. Like, I play basketball for my family, like I do so many things with the with the the care and the recognization of I'm doing it for these people. And loving basketball, I think, is like one of those movies when we were kids. I just thought my life was that. Like I could I just thought that it reminded me of chasing a dream and chasing a purpose without losing the people that matter. So, you know, when you're gonna compromise in terms of your goals and your ambitious nature, but just thinking about like, yeah, I want to date a female uh basketball player as well, and we go to the same school, like all that stuff. Um, and it kind of gave me foresight into like when I became a freshman university, I was like, I already know what to experience because I've seen stuff in this movie. Then lastly, this is an odd one, but me and Mikhail, my Merv, we did a great episode of the 2014 draft. Remember that one? And we drafted the best movies in 2014. And Caitlin, one of my favorite movies of all time is Boyhood, directed by Richard Link Later. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it has Ethan Hawk in it. And I think that it describes my life. Merv could probably uh relate to it as a Jamaican. Hey man, you know, I grew up in a broken household sometimes, just like just dealing with the the nuances of like new friends and two birthdays and different holidays and stepparents and and step siblings and all these half brothers and half sisters, just dealing with life and it's like a jumble of different things, but making it work. And at the same time, it's a coming of age story. So you're figuring out life. Like, who do I want to be? What do I want to be? Like, what kind of person am I? Who am I? So I think that that kind of like exemplifies my journey a little bit because it's it's like you're still trying to figure things out, you know? There's no like right or wrong answer. You're just trying to experience things. So I think that's it.
SPEAKER_20And getting to actually watch him do like getting to actually watch him grow up over the course of how I don't remember how many years they actually filmed it, was the cool like that was the coolest thing I've ever seen. Like, oh my god.
SPEAKER_13Samantha, how was your week? Uh, I don't know, Dad, it was kind of tough. Billy and Ellen broke up, and Ellen's kind of mad at me because she saw me talking to Billy in the cafeteria, and you remember that sculpture I was working on? Well, it was a unicorn and the horn broke off, so now it's a zebra, okay? But I still think I'm gonna get an egg, right? Mason, uh, how was your week? Well, Dad, you know how it's kind of tough. Joey's kind of a jerk. Actually, he stole some cigarettes from his mom and he wanted me to smoke them, but I said no, because I knew what a hard time you had quitting smoking, Dad. How about that? Is that so hard?
SPEAKER_01Dad, these questions are kind of hard to answer.
SPEAKER_13What is so hard to answer? About what sculpture are you making?
SPEAKER_01It's abstract.
SPEAKER_13Okay, okay, that's good. See, that's I didn't I didn't I didn't know that. I didn't know you were even interested in abstract art.
SPEAKER_20No, they make us do it. Like it to actually grow alongside your character for that many years is like a gift.
SPEAKER_08Yeah.
SPEAKER_20So that's so cool. I love that movie.
SPEAKER_08What about you? I would say, of course, I already talked about Goofy movie. Um I can elaborate, I can elaborate a little bit more. I just felt like as a kid, especially when I watched it, um, and I and I still am, I feel like still that little kid. You know what I mean? I still feel like I'm that little kid sometimes where I'm just shy and I'm just shy and just like very, I don't know. Sometimes I still feel like they look at obviously I'm a huge human being now, but I I still Caitlin, he's 6'8, by the way, just on that other.
SPEAKER_10Um shit.
SPEAKER_08Uh little kid. No, but I do feel like that that that kid sometimes, and and obviously I went to therapy to to deal with that, but um I definitely felt like as a kid, like I when I did have a crush on somebody, you know what I mean? We have like this talent, but we don't know how to show it. And like we'll do anything to kind of show it. And I just never knew how to show it, and all I knew was basketball, you know what I mean? And I never knew how to tell somebody I had a crush on them or tell them I like them, and I always felt like you know, I'm taller than all these other kids, and I'm just like awkward, and I didn't know what I was doing, so I always felt like a sore thumb just like sticking out. So I felt like I really resonated with Max, and you know what I mean, and just like wanting to be like a cool guy and just be like recognized by somebody I had a crush on and stuff like that, and I would go to whatever lengths to try to just prove to them that you know I mean I'm like a somebody that deserves to, you know what I mean? Whatever as a kid, so I that's why I felt so deep so deeply rooted in that, and um, and then when as I got older, um Antoine Fisher, like I said again, um, I really liked that because of the the therapy aspect of it and just me having somebody you can talk to and and speak about certain things, especially um things that you feel like you never can talk to. And I felt like I I really saw myself in in that therapy part because I as I got older and I went to start going to therapy, I was like, oh wow, I I I I I like see why, you know, I mean certain things happened in my life, and I see why this affected me, and I'm like, yo, this so when I watched it, it was like I I would say like I teared up because I was like, yo, I felt seen. You know what I mean? It was kind of a weird weirdo feeling, you know what I mean? So I I really loved that movie. And then another the last one I would say is the Truman Show. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08So the Truman Show, not on a narcissistic way, because that's that's wild, but um, more in a way where um I felt like everybody wants you to go a certain route, you know what I mean, in your life, and everybody sees you as a certain thing and sees you as a whatever, and just like being able to break out of that mold that everybody's trying to force you into. You know what I mean? Everybody's watching what you do, everybody's making sure that you go the same the right route, setting things up to make sure you go this route. And I feel like breaking free of that that mold and what you people expect of you. I think that the Truman show was like a little a story about that, obviously in a cer a different way, but I felt like it was a very much um very much a story about breaking free of your own or people's own expectations for you. And it was just done through like a a nice, cool way, but I feel like that was it. So I'm Truman Burbank.
SPEAKER_18Yeah. I I know.
SPEAKER_11You you know, Truman, I'm not allowed to talk to you.
SPEAKER_06Really? Yeah. Well, I can understand it. I'm a pretty dangerous character. I I'm sorry. It's not girls gotta be careful. You have a boyfriend, right? No, it's not that. Is it was it Meryl, the girl that was with me? We're not. We don't we're not we're not fri we're just we're friends.
unknownIt's nothing like that.
SPEAKER_06It's how I look. It's not your type.
SPEAKER_19No.
SPEAKER_08I like your pen. I feel like that those three movies uh speak to me and who I am personally. Um so yeah.
SPEAKER_20Those are great choices. And also, kudos to you for going to therapy because as a young, like it's so I feel like it's so hard for like young boys to feel comfortable uh to want to go in to to do that and talk about your feelings. It's not really taught to young boys. So good for you for like going. Thank you.
SPEAKER_08It's very hard. I actually didn't go for that. I actually went to go, I went to for hypnotherapy. And um wow because I was trying to like get over some block that I had in my mind. And she was just like, Yeah, like we can't deal with we can't deal with this. I I can't convince you that you need to do something if you don't and then we just started diving deeper and deeper, and then it just turned into a a whole thing. And I was like, oh wow, this is this is actually pretty cool.
SPEAKER_09So uh really quickly before we go to the third and final act of this episode, when we speak about your your culture of just being Filipino, what is some of the best films that have Filipino representation? I've I know I've watched a couple in my lifetime. Um I can think off the top of my head, like Lumpia with a vengeance or or even Hello Love Goodbye, but like what are some films that has great representation for the culture that you know you talk about so much?
SPEAKER_20It's hard because I want to say I want to be able to sit here and and list to you movies that you know everybody would have access to and everybody knows. But if I like really sit here and and try and think about like Filipino representation and and and Filipino people being seen on like a very large scale, it's it's not really a lot. But I mean, I think in in a lot of depictions in like Hollywood movies that are, you know, it's funny because Hollywood movies are American, but they're technically global and international because everybody knows what that is. Um But I think I guess some of the things that I think about are people like um in the Cinderella Brandy movie. Uh I think that was a really cool depiction of her dad being Filipino and her mom being black, and it's the first kind of time I saw like colorblind casting. Like those two people made Brandy, and that guy happened to be Filipino, and he was in a role where his name is Paulo Ma uh Montalban. I can't remember how to say if that's his name. Um, but I think it's you know, it was a beautiful moment to just put a Filipino actor in that because it wasn't a stereotype, it wasn't anything um like no offense to the Star Wars franchise, but they had those Ewoks speak at the Galog and shit. So like and everyone was like, What? Okay, huh? Why are okay, anyways, but it was like uh a Filipino man getting to play, you know, Prince Charming. And when have you seen Prince Charming be played by a person of color? I have in that movie. That's when you saw him. So, you know, having like a Filipino character be like the the epitome of beauty in a movie is something that I think about. I think about also uh one of the first when I when I was little, we had Dante Basco in Hook, um, Grant movie. Um, great Filipino representation in that. And then also, I guess more more recently, um, something that's not my movie that actually talks about like Filipinon-ness in a like a huge Hollywood feature is in the Spider-Man movies.
SPEAKER_11Yeah.
SPEAKER_20You have Ned, you have that scene where his Lola's in there and she's like speaking to Galaxy, like and like that cobweb out the corner. Yeah, literally. And it's it's it was so like I I mean, maybe there's small roles, and and the things that I I've listed aren't like life-changing, like it's not specifically about these people, but I think what is cool about them is that they've put them into these large-scale Hollywood features that are seen by many people, and it and it wasn't stuff that was just about you know, Filipino people and and teaching you about what their culture is. And it they just put them into roles that you that could have been anybody. Um, because that's what the that's what the world looks like. Um, I don't like I I would love to see and I would love to see more of that, um, where you just put people of color into movies that anybody could play just because they're the best person for the role, and not only playing movie or playing roles in movies where um it specifically has to only be about your culture. I mean, those movies are great too, but like let's do more people, you know? Like and that's I mean, I went off on a tangent on that, but those are my faves.
SPEAKER_09That's awesome. There's some great examples as well. Someone with preaching. That was great. Now preach, preach, preach, preach. But we're gonna take a quick time out, the last media timeout. We will be back with the last bit of scene DMs for act three. Don't go anywhere. Yeah, we are back, finally here, act three. And I think this is gonna be a very, very fun segment because we're gonna play some trivia at the end. But before we get to that, continue to talk movies. It's been awesome. Now, don't be scared. It can't be worse than you trying to fight the curse and bloodlines. It can't be worse than that.
SPEAKER_20Um Yeah, I'm not gonna die.
SPEAKER_09Hopefully not. Exactly, exactly.
SPEAKER_20I think find things in here that could kill me.
SPEAKER_09This this past year or two, I would say, because it's like our third year doing the podcast, so I'm if I'm not mistaken, Merv. Um and long story short, it started because like I think I was dealing with the injury. Um, Merv and I have always been talking about movies, been best friends since we were kids. We used to play against each other, then we started playing uh on the same team, Team Canada, Team Ontario. Um, but we've always had like a relationship where it's like a group of core friends, we'd watch a film, but me and him are talking about it in depth in a different way. Like everybody else is like, you know, it was a good movie, cool. Me and him are like it was good because, or it was bad because, and we always had respectful debates, even if we didn't agree, we still saw each other's perspective and understood it. And I think after dealing with the injury, um, especially during COVID and certain things, everyone I felt like hopped on a podcast. We were like, of course, we could talk about relationships, of course we can talk about basketball, and of course we can do all those things, but let's be disruptive, let's be different. And we we thought about what our other passions were, and it happened so to be you know, cinema, movie, TV. So we did the podcast. But in doing that, we kind of have really, really been in tune with award shows now. Prior to that, I can't say that I was consistently watching, you know, the Emmys or consistently watching the Golden Globes for its whole entirety. But but now we've been doing it as if we're covering it. I want to ask you as someone who's like really, really in the industry, are you someone that pays attention to those award shows? Like, are you a fan of of the Oscars or the Emmys? And or do you even do you prepare for roles thinking about that kind of stuff, or are you just like having fun and and just dealing with it like from that aspect?
SPEAKER_20I mean, to be honest, I don't even know how you campaign for an Oscar. Like, I don't know anything about that. I just like, I mean, like I said earlier, I just like getting to work on art. I think that's something that just feeds my soul and it makes me happy and I just love it. So, but I do I do like watching the award shows. I do like, I think um I like to watch them. I like to get the lists of nominations and and watch things um from that year. Like I did that, I think the the most successful I have been was probably last year's um I think I watched the most um out of that year than I ever have. Um, but I think I don't know. I I feel like I'm so on I guess pros and cons. I have like a no answer answer for this. How do you really choose what the best is? Because they're all subjective. Like what like wouldn't technically choosing like it's all different, they're all different genres, like best picture. How do you pick? Like it's the artist's subjective, it's meant to be subjective, it's meant to be about taste. But wouldn't technically like rating the best of anything art related, wouldn't it be to like everybody gets the same script? Go do what you can with this, and then we can rate it. But then I guess we would get like four movies a year or something.
SPEAKER_19Yeah.
SPEAKER_20Um, I mean, it could be like a cool concept for something, one day maybe a category. If we want to make things more interesting, everyone get like maybe three people get a script and you give it to like three big directors and see what they do with it, that and you can watch all of them or something. Um, but sounds like a pleasure. Yeah, I I think I mostly pay attention to be able to see what's come out that year and like what I like and what's cool and what people are talking about.
SPEAKER_08Nice.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Okay. Okay. No, I definitely uh like watching the award shows, especially last year. We watched what? Dwayne, well, Duane watched every single one, I think. I think I missed like two. I think there's only two movies I didn't watch, only two out of all the ones nominated. So when I watched, I actually felt invested. Like I was like, okay, like I don't agree with this. I would have picked this, I would have given this and stuff like that. So so yeah, but um when it comes to Jesus God, um when it comes to um acting, and especially um um you've acted for a while, like is there somebody you could specifically pick and be like, yo, this is like the best actor I've ever worked with um so far, at least so far. And is there somebody that you wish you would get to like a dream person you get to act with?
SPEAKER_09Outside of Kate, of course.
SPEAKER_08We know Kate ones is up there for you.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, obviously.
SPEAKER_20Yeah, no, uh, yeah, no. We all know that I would literally die if I met her. I don't think I'd be able to even do my job. I think I'd just be standing there the whole time being like, is this real? Um I think I mean I touched on it a bit. Tony Todd is the best person I've ever met and worked with ever, and probably he'll be one of the best people I ever will work with or have the chance to even be in the vicinity of. Um, I think that was the coolest thing in the world. And just to just to to literally be with him on his last film where he could talk to me about everything he's ever done and and give us give me advice about literally everything he's ever done in terms of the career was cool. Um, so that was very cool. I think in terms of people that I would love to work with, I think if it's not Kate, it's um Oh my god, I'm gonna pick Julie Andrews. Oh like I love her. How do you not love like she just seems like the sweetest woman Princess Diaries, Mary Poppins, now she's doing this Bridgerton stuff, like and she was in musical theater movies, like she's a theater person, like and she's just she's the queen. Like she's literally the queen. Yeah, um, I think I could die tomorrow, I could literally die after shooting that movie with her and be happy. Knock on wood. I don't want to wish that on myself. Um, but yeah.
SPEAKER_09That's it. If you were a you know a big time actor tomorrow, you woke up, Will Smith said, okay, cool. All right.
SPEAKER_08Will Smith don't even finish, don't even finish what you got to say, Will Smith. Immediately. Immediately. And obviously, you you is either are you talking about like right now, or are you talking about like in their prime? Because then you would work with who in their prime? Holly Berry, of course, obviously. Alright, man.
SPEAKER_20What do you dean as her prime?
SPEAKER_08Holly Berry? Oh no, no, no, yeah, that's wild because I never she's still having her prime. I was talking more about the men. So that's what I was talking about. Like Al Pacino because he's like 80 years old than Robert Daniel. I mean Robert Down here. Robert De Niro was like 80. Yeah, probably beat the De Niro. Denzel was like what, 60, 70? So I was like, ah, like you know, I mean those guys.
SPEAKER_09But but the newer guy is probably like Christian Bale or or or like something like that. Probably be cool. Yeah. Really Christian Bale? Yeah, I feel like I'll learn something. He takes it seriously. Remember, I'm new.
SPEAKER_08I'm not not saying it wrong. I mean the leader was locked in. I would for sure, for sure. If if if if um Christopher Nolan called me tomorrow, I would be there that same second. I don't know how, but I'll be there that same second. You find a way. I would make it work. Christopher Nolan, oh, I'll do anything. I'll do anything. Exactly.
SPEAKER_20He could tell me to cut all my hair off, and I'd be like, yeah, what's hand me the scissors? Which disease? Do you want to shave it or do you want me to set it on fire?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, Emma Stone, okay. Bagoria, Emma Stone, I think. I mean, that might okay. So what what director would you what's it who's a dream director you love to work with?
SPEAKER_20Me?
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_20Oh my gosh, I'm forgetting her name. Um, she directed past lives. She's Asian.
SPEAKER_08Oh, yeah, yeah, no, Celine Song.
SPEAKER_20I would love to work with Celine Song. I think she captures people and stillness and human emotion in the way that people actually behave in real life.
SPEAKER_09Well, I don't mean to interject, but you just struck a bone. I'm sorry. I love I love past lives. No, I love past lives, and I think that she did a great job with the materialist too. I thought that was a very provoking movie, like especially in our generation when it comes to transactional relationships and the whole boy situation and all that kind of stuff. Um, especially when you watch like Love Island and different shows, like who you know, I just it that was a really good movie. People don't like it now, but when y'all talked about holding up a mirror to yourselves, yeah, this is uh our uncomfortable world of relationships and dating, like prioritize love or they prioritize money. But I was gonna say in that movie, man, I felt bad for the husband. That's all I want to say. I just feel like he was being in past lives, yeah. I understand the inny and the the connection that you have, but man, they did boy, they didn't do my bro. They already he had the they're at dinner together and he can't even understand what they're talking about, and they're they're reminiscing. I I don't know.
SPEAKER_20But like, could you imagine like because I mean, could you imagine being in a situation where like you know that you're hurting this person so bad, but you can't help yourself? Like that's the shitty, like that's the shitty realness of it all. It's like she knows that she's hurting him, she doesn't want to. And just like, I don't know. I mean, I guess that's more about plot than director, but I think taking on those kinds of projects where you know they're tough and there's not a right answer, and there's not yes, it's a movie about gray area and not about black and white. That's and and being able to find the beauty in that is something that I think about all the time. So I think she's definitely the person that I want to work with or would love to work with because I mean her mind must be in that her mind must be in the gray area and live in it. Um so I think that's super that's really cool.
SPEAKER_09That's awesome.
SPEAKER_20She's like I said that's really cool like a hundred times this year.
SPEAKER_09That's all good. It's all good. Listen, when it comes to horror films, I feel like, you know, we we me and Merv just talked about this recently. We broke down the obsession in the back rooms movie. We talked about like elevated horror being a whole concept. I know that the the people in the movie industry don't really like that term, but it is sort of like a different type of I guess approach to how we tell horror stories. You made a great point earlier about when I think about Mission Impossible, for example, you hear the stories of how they crafted the story around the stunts. Um you made a good point about uh found destination about how they might have you know the kills already, then they do the story after. But right now, these movies they're cooking when it comes to psychological horror, when it comes to just making you think, to being divisive, to being very metaphorical. So, what are your thoughts on just story-driven horror and you know where we're going right now? Do you think that this is a fad, or do you think it's a phase, or do you think it's gonna continue to happen? Because you look at movies like Greek the The Grief and Hereditary. Hereditary to me is is crazy because it's about grief, right? It's not of course you have the scene of you know Shorty's head getting taken out by the pool and all that stuff. Yeah, all the wildness, the mother of running, yeah, crawling on the yeah, it's wild. But at the same time, it's about grief, you know. It's like you could take away certain themes from these movies and be like, no, no, no, talk to me. Yeah, it's crazy, but it's about addiction. Um the substance is wild, but it's really about vanity and identity and all that stuff. You know, sinners, sinners is insane, but it's about the social commentary and what happens with race and music and uh different things. So I like that horror right now. Talk to me about addiction? Yeah.
SPEAKER_20Talk to me.
SPEAKER_09But yeah. But I just like when the horror becomes like a vehicle and it's not really like the end result, but it's like a vehicle for something. It's it's saying something. So what what are your thoughts on like what horror is doing right now?
SPEAKER_20I mean, I think it's I think it's I think it's perfect. I think it's exactly what it has to be. I think it's I mean it's creating it's just it is kind of elevated horror because it gives it another layer. And maybe people have like a hard time or think it's like a hot take to say that it's elevated, but it doesn't mean it's better than it doesn't mean it's elite. It just means that it I mean, personally for me, I love a villain origin story, you know. Like I think, I think it gives it another layer as to why these crazy things are happening as opposed to, you know, a movie about you know, not really understanding why you're getting jump scared. Like, and I think I saw it maybe for the first I think I was starting to get like, oh, this is why this is so good. Oh, this is this is really working, was in the the Mike Flanagan TV series, like the haunting of Hill House and the haunting of Lyme Manor. Um so good. So good. I think he's also an actor, a director that I would love to work with as well. But in in those, in those TV series, like it started off very much as a we only think we're watching this to get haunted and scared by the the entities in this house. Um, but then you realize it's so much more than that. It has to do with like your past, it has to do with what you're afraid of and and the traumas that you went through as as uh like younger people and things like that. And and I don't know, maybe I'm just like always looking to feel something, but I think it just it's a way to get it's almost like a gateway for people who aren't really interested in horror or are not really like are too afraid of it, um, to get lost in the story of you know who these people are. I love realness in a film, I love um I just I mean I like coming of age, I like slice of life types of movies. So for the for people to be adding that element into um horror films, because let's be honest, real life kind of feels like a horror film. Like, hello, what is this place? Uh this is crazy. Um, so to be able to see like real depictions of people I guess this is kind of also a very niche uh avenue of horror movie, like for example, like slasher movies or like people who like I even think about um the Joker movies with Joaquin Phoenix and even the the Penguin TV series, like those people uh it's not really horror, but like the Joker movie, um, you know, it shows you how they got there, and it kind of I mean, maybe we shouldn't be empathizing with these insane people, but you know, everybody's really just trying to do their best. And like it's really hard. Like it's really hard. So to be able to add like a real element and a relatable element, like even in Talk to Me, she just misses her mom. She just wants to, she just wants her mom. So, of course, like what would you do to get your mom back? Um I would I don't know that I would do all that.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, but all that.
SPEAKER_20Oh, yeah, but I would maybe try once, and then once things start to get weird, I would be like, Okay, we can't touch that thing anymore.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, uh remember mom's gone still, she's gone still. Yeah, you're right.
SPEAKER_20I don't think I'm gonna be trying to conjure the dead.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_20Like I could see, but you know what I mean? Like, I think it just gives it makes it more interesting. You're not just waiting to be scared, and I think it also kind of affects the jump scares too, because you're invested in the story that you forget that you're scared, and then when something pops out, you're like, oh shit, I'm watching a horror movie.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, right. Exactly. Listen, imagine you're on a date, right? And you're with uh a certain somebody and you're Netflix and chilling for lack of better terms. That's what the young folks are saying nowadays, Netflix and chilling, and you had a choice of five shows to put them on. You're like, you know what? We're snowed in. Nah, that's a bad example. You're in Vancouver. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You've also been in New York and Toronto, so you know about a little snow. Yeah, I know what snowing in looks like. Imagine you got snowed in and you're like, man, we can't leave the crib for some reason, and now these are the five shows that we have to binge watch that I think are, you know, of all time. What would they be?
SPEAKER_20Does this like specific to Netflix or is it like ended streaming service?
SPEAKER_09Any any streaming service.
SPEAKER_20Um okay. Oh shit. Uh I would probably do have you seen Fleabag at all?
SPEAKER_09I've seen a bit of a big one. Do you know what that is? Yeah, I know what that is, yeah.
SPEAKER_20I would probably do that. I think that's a very I mean the origin of how that came to be. She wrote that first stage and it was picked up and um adapted to screen. I think that's a very beautiful li slice of life every day money. Mundane thing that everybody goes through and can connect to, and it feels so heavy. I think that's beautiful. I also really like Insecure on HBO. Like so funny. I think also the origin story of how that came to be is also an adaptation from a thing. I think it's also so cool that she created it for herself. And I also love that show. It's so funny and heartbreaking at the same time. Um I'm thinking of things off the top of my head. The bear. If you're in like if you're in food service, you need to watch the bear. But also if you have like I mean everybody has like family trauma. You need to watch the bear. That's obviously.
SPEAKER_09If you have anxiety, be careful. Oh my goodness.
SPEAKER_20Yeah. If but also maybe if you do work in kitchens, like maybe don't watch it.
SPEAKER_09Because it's stressful.
SPEAKER_20You don't want to take work home with you. It's like, oh my God. It's horrifying. We've all like labeled, we at my cafe, we've um, and in my family, because we run the cafe, we've depicted who is who in the cafe. And for some reason they gave me Richie. They gave me Richie. I'm like, I'll take it. I'm glad.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, I don't know that here.
SPEAKER_20Um, I think what else do I what else can I think of? There was one show. If we're doing Netflix shows, there was one show on Netflix that's not there anymore, which makes me really sad, but it was called The Misfits. Um it was a British show about like people getting superpowers. And it was like raunchy and like edgy. And it was like that show walked so the boys could run.
SPEAKER_09I like that statement.
SPEAKER_20I think. I think. Yeah, I think I don't know. I don't know what else I would say.
SPEAKER_09Oh, yeah, that's a good list. I I think for me, man, my favorite show of all time, I got tatted on me, Friends. I think Friends is like a great show for me to just put on, turn your mind off, have some fun, laugh, uh, go to different stages of life with, you know, different scenarios. The Sopranos, big Sopranos guy. So if I was locked in with someone, and we definitely watched Sopranos, um, talk about therapy. You guys spoke about the power of therapy. I think that's one of the first shows that showed me like, yeah, like there's no shame in getting help and seeking you know assistance by talking to someone. Being vulnerable, just power in that. Breaking bad has to be up there, I think.
SPEAKER_18Oh, yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER_09Of course, Walter White. Martin, I'm a big Martin guy. I know my boy Merv is a fresh prince guy. I love fresh prints as well, but I think Martin is like, man, there's not maybe one season that I'm not really a fan of, but every other season I I promise you, uh it's like like tears of laughter for me. And then I think the fifth show will be Atlanta. I think um, you know, that's one of the things.
SPEAKER_20So yeah, that's like a perfect show.
SPEAKER_09I was taking my shows. My fault, fault. You know what? I'll sub it for Snowfall. I know Merv loves Atlanta too. I love Atlanta, but Snowfall or Atlanta, I think, are two good urban shows that I think really depict the history, the culture, the music, this the fashion, like everything, the attitude of what it's like to be in that era and that stage of life and be a part of that type of culture.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, uh well, me and uh me and uh uh and Tay watched uh Breaking Bad and Um Game of Thrones together. We we actually Netflix and showed that one, so we we actually watched all those. Um binge watched those. Um she actually put me on those. Um and then we watched uh I would say uh so those two. So Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, then I would say Atlanta. Uh I'm not really a TV show guy, man. Um You're capping. He told me he loves the summer I turn pretty, but he doesn't want to say it. I get it. Uh listen to him. I never said that. I don't even know what that show is. Um I'm being serious. Uh I don't watch TV. TV shows is he wants to say it. I don't know why he doesn't say it himself. Um but um I I'm not really a TV show person, so that's why uh I need my girlfriend to put me on these shows. Your friends and your friends and neighbors. Your friends and neighbors, yeah. She put me on that as well. Uh sorry, sorry, I lied. What am I talking about? Dwayne put me on that. And then I put I put her on that. I'm about to let you have it. No, that's all right. Then I put her on it. So then so your friends and neighbors after Atlanta, and then my last one would man, you can't never go around with family guys, though. That's my that's my yeah, that's my top thing. Yeah, that's true. That's my dog right there.
SPEAKER_10That's an easy watch.
SPEAKER_08That's a go-to. And they're still going, right? Yeah.
SPEAKER_10Still going.
SPEAKER_08The new seasons are trash. The old season now went from like see like one to like 10, season one to ten, elite television right there.
SPEAKER_09Can't be worse than uh Rick and Morty right now. They got like new voice actors. It's like I didn't even know that was still happening.
SPEAKER_08Why are you trying to go at Rick and Morty? I love Rick and Morty, but the voice actors have just changed things. So so so what? It's like the an It's like the animal swap. There's no explanation. Rick and Morty is one of my shows. Don't do that.
SPEAKER_20Not me being in the middle of a fight. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_09What are your top three moves of the year so far? And I know uh do you go to the movies a lot? Or are you someone who doesn't really like to do that? Because you know, there's basketball players who don't like to watch a lot of basketball because they're sick of it, like you mentioned, not bringing your work home. So, like, do you watch a lot of movies still or no?
SPEAKER_20I so this the 2026 itself has been a little bit hard for me just because I have been doing way more like double duty at the cafe. I've been helping out a lot more, so I wasn't really able to go to the movies too much this year. Um, which but it is my favorite. Like, I love it's my favorite thing. Like I love like I'll watch I love watching movies, and to be able to like be in the theater experiencing with other people too is like the best thing in the world. Um so I want to be able to I'm I have been really slacking this year. Um, but top movies that I have seen this year, and maybe it's a hot take. Uh but honestly, I saw the drama in theaters.
SPEAKER_09Oh that's uh that was on my list.
SPEAKER_20And everyone was like shitting on it for a while because they were like, nobody put a trigger warning. But you know what? I would have been mad if I had if I I would have been mad if I went into that movie knowing exactly what the hook was, yeah.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah. Don't tell me, don't tell me, don't tell me, don't tell me, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen it, I haven't seen it. Okay, thank you.
SPEAKER_20I won't say anything, but I just think the way that they dealt with people like I think my the main takeaway from that is, and I'm I'm trying to articulate it in a wayphones off, you bless.
SPEAKER_07I won't listen to my headphones off.
SPEAKER_20Don't listen to what I say, but I'll still try and not spoil it because if anybody who hasn't seen this movie, I think my questions are what's worse doing or thinking?
SPEAKER_09Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_20That's all I'll say.
SPEAKER_09Agreed.
SPEAKER_20You could have you could have listened, you could have heard me say that. Yeah, you could have heard that.
SPEAKER_09We're not we're not spoiling it. I promise you're not spoiling it. Yeah. Yeah. What's worse?
SPEAKER_20The drama was my one of my faves.
SPEAKER_09No, it definitely is doing or thinking or or feeling and reacting, because I feel like uh Robbie P's character, um, he was struggling with like since when you start calling him Robbie P.
SPEAKER_08Since the man's been like 10 movies? This man goes way back to Robbie P now. Man's calling her Robbie P. Hey, you only know you only know him as Robert Patterson. Sorry, I know him as Robbie P. Like, what is it? Is this guy talking about?
SPEAKER_09He told me there should be Batman uh in November. He told me Batman too. Um but hit him just like with his friends are like how you should feel based on how he should how he feels about like this situation, I think is very important because we all feel that, right? Like you're with somebody and if something happens and then someone's looking at you like, are you sure this is how you feel? You should feel this way if I was in this situation. So Murph, very powerful movie. I think it's very divisive, and I agree with you, Caitlin. I think this is like like by far one of my favorite movies of this year. And man, Zendaya, the the the callbacks to the song, and so many different things. The set design, that apartment, that apartment was so sick.
SPEAKER_20I was like, I'm sorry, you guys definitely like how do you live in that thing? You know what? One thing that well, the my pep pee the the movies these days, and even in friends, my pep, how could they afford that?
SPEAKER_11Right.
SPEAKER_20What jobs are you working that you can afford to live in that? This doesn't matter. This is this is taking me out.
SPEAKER_09They money laundering, they money laundering central park, they're money laundering, of course, obviously.
SPEAKER_20Okay, okay, yeah. Well then in that case Well in that case.
SPEAKER_09Alright, what were the other two?
SPEAKER_20Um I don't know. I watched I'm gonna say this one because I watched it this year. I didn't watch it in the year that it came out, but Hamnet changed my life. Um that was last year. That movie. I'm still messed up because of that movie. Um I don't even want to talk about it. Um and then I think I guess my other what else have I watched this year? Um I watched Wuthering Heights. I thought that one I mean, because I haven't watched a lot of like 2026 movies this year. No, but I know what it is, and I think one of the reasons why I'm struggling and saying that this is a b uh a movie that I liked. Well, out of all the ones that I've seen from 2026, and I'm not gonna name all the other ones because I don't want to shit on anybody. But what I I I think it's a hot take. I'll say that I like it for the the score and cinema or uh the the score and the soundtrack, I liked it for the costumes, I liked it for um the I thought the actors did a really, really great job. I just don't like that this was one of the first depictions in classical literature where it was supposed to be about race, and then they took that away. Um I really deeply don't like that. But out of the movies that I watched from 2026, I will say that I like what they did with aspects of it.
SPEAKER_09I like that.
SPEAKER_11Okay.
SPEAKER_09I know I I gotta go with tuner. I think tuner is up there for me. The obsession, obviously, obsession is a banger, and then the drama. I kind of think all three of those films is crazy because they're all character-driven films, they're not films that are performances through like big spectacle. And and I think that's what I always respect because I like those type of intimate films where I could really like whiplash and stuff like that, where I can really like yeah, where I can really like hold on to a character and experience where they're going through the highs and the lows instead of just like all the other things around it. I mean, of course, a brand new day is coming out, so I'm sure one of those things will get exchanged for that, or Themes Day or something like that. Um Odyssey. But uh so far right now it's tuner obsession in the drama for me. Merv, how about you?
SPEAKER_08Well, Odyssey's gonna be there, so I might as well just put it there now. Already? Yeah, I might as well just put it there now.
SPEAKER_09Is there any world where you go there and that movie is not as good as you think it'd be?
SPEAKER_08No. No. Christopher Nolan has has has the has the juice. It's not where he's got the bad. There's no way there's no way. Like no way. It'll be impossible. That's what I think. Um, anyways, I think obsession is number one right now. Holy movie's fire.
SPEAKER_20I haven't that's the only I haven't seen it yet. That's the only reason why it's not my number one, but I know I will. I'm a contrarian. I don't like to see it. I don't like to see things that get so much hype right away. I know what you mean.
SPEAKER_08I know what you mean. Deserves it? This one deserves the hype. I'm exactly like one of those people. Like, I don't watch anything. If people tell me to, like, nah, I'm not gonna watch it. But I'm not gonna tell you to watch it. I'm gonna say this movie's fire.
SPEAKER_20I'm gonna watch it. I'm just also scared to watch it alone, and no one wants to go with me because everybody's I'm gonna use it to everybody's scared.
SPEAKER_09I've watched it 10,000 theaters, but hey, we could make it left it. I like a lot too. I promise. Merv, you ever see the box office numbers that it comes out and you'd be like, yeah, that went. It's like that that one million was me still.
SPEAKER_08That one million was easily me. Easily me. Obsession and sinners. Sinners, oh sinners, I gave them so much money. I gave them so much money. It was insane how much money I went there at least. Exactly. I would donate more. Literally. Um, so I'll say I would say obsession. Um, then I would say Michael. Uh for the I don't see that, yeah. Yeah, Michael, and then my last one would be I had it here. Um I guess. Um, oh. No, this didn't come out. Yeah, Hoppers. Fire. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_20I heard that was really good.
SPEAKER_08One of the most unhinged Disney movies I've ever seen in my life. Literally, one of the most unhinged movies I've ever seen in my life. Me and Tay Wash are doing. What a movie me and Tay Wash are doing, and and we were like literally just like in sh in shock the entire time. We're like, this is not a Disney movie. This is not a Disney movie.
SPEAKER_04This technology must never fall into the wrong hands. What is it? Mabel? Dr. Sam! You're you're experimenting on animals? I'll handle her. No, I don't know what you think you saw, but I I think you people are sick! No, no, no. Then there's a simple explanation. What have you done to him? Mabel, you're holding a robot. What?
SPEAKER_11Oh my god.
SPEAKER_09This is the type of uh we always talk about this, but whoever was in the creative room making this, whatever shrooms they were on, making this I need it. Tell me the plug. Give me the plug. I need those immediately.
SPEAKER_03I need those shrooms. Tell me that.
SPEAKER_09All right, we're almost done the episode. We're at the QT hater part. So I don't know if you know saw this story, but last year, uh Quinn Tarantino, who's one of our favorite directors on CDM's podcast, but he made out of nowhere, he just woke up and started hating on Paul Dano. I don't know where he just said. Wait for what? I don't like this guy. Paul Dano's like, wait, what?
SPEAKER_08I'm like, holy.
SPEAKER_09I don't know. Oh crazy. So we renamed the segment called the cutesy hater of the week. So haterate, you know, gatorade hater. But is there anything that kind of grinds your gears for you know the Family Guy fans out there, Peter Griffin, shout out to Murph, uh, or that irks you this week when it comes to the world of cinema? And it could be anything. Any any point that you just want to get across your chest and just let the people know about we gotta stop doing this or discontinue this trend or phase or anything that's happening that you think needs to stop right now in cinema, or that you can.
SPEAKER_20In terms of cinema?
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_20I don't know if there's anything that I hate in terms of cinema, apart from maybe stop using the same four actors every single goddamn movie. There you go, talk about it, talk about it, talk about it. Okay, yeah, yeah. There it is.
SPEAKER_07Um that's the hate that we need. Yeah, that's the hate that we're looking for. Yes.
SPEAKER_20That's so funny. I was like, no, I don't have anything to say except for I hate all of these actors that are in every movie. Um, maybe I do hate things. Uh yeah, I think, yeah, stop putting the same four people in movies. And that's not even me being like, put me in it. I just feel like for me personally, and also I think this is kind of multi-layered. I personally like watching movies with people that I've never seen before because I'm not thinking about what you like who you are. I'm not watching, I don't want to name names because I don't want to get canceled and turn into Quentin over here, and then everybody starts. Could you imagine you talk about you you talk about something that you hate so much, then all of a sudden everybody in the world is like, wait, we love that guy. Like how maybe so he hates him even more now because everybody like came to his defense. But I mean, he deserves to be defended, he's great. Uh, but I don't know, I just think like when I see somebody who's like always in the media, always in a movie, always doing something, and there's paparazzi following them, like there's no anonymity there. It makes it so hard for me to believe who they are in the movies that they do, because I'm just like, oh, that's literally that actor that I saw on the sidewalk in his underwear, doing something. That's a I don't even know, you know? I mean, I mean, that guy, I mean, the person I referred to in their underwear is Hudson Williams' lovely Vancouver actor. He's not who I'm referring to as the person that's oversaturated the media because he just literally popped off. We're very happy for him. And he's from BC. Let's go. Uh, but there are other actors that I'm just like, Kent, why are we like give somebody else a moment? Like find someone new. That's always such a better story than seeing like the same person be this the same version of themselves in different projects throughout the year.
SPEAKER_09Or having so much baggage with them, right? You go watch a movie and you're like, ah, I I I have so much baggage from their personal life or their other movies, it's hard to see them in this character. That's a great point. When we talk about the anonymity, I like Denzel and Leo DiCaprio for that reason, right? That these guys don't do many interviews, they don't they're not outside all the time. So you have to really, if you're a fan of them, you have to watch their movies to really see them work. So I I like that point.
SPEAKER_20Yeah. And it makes you it also makes your job easier. Like, because people don't know who you are. You can literally be anything to anyone. Like, why would you not do that? It makes your job easier. Um, so yeah, I don't know. I think that's something that I hate and like the maybe the the way that people idolize these people when they're just people who have a job like all the rest of us. Um because it also makes their jobs harder to do because everybody sees them everywhere.
SPEAKER_09That's what I hate. Great hate. Well, we're gonna turn over to the king, the king hater right here. He has a season girl. This is the greatest hater you ever met in your life, Caitlin. Yes.
SPEAKER_19I can't wait. Oh my god, let's hear it.
SPEAKER_08I'm waiting for I'm trying to go for hater of the year this year. Um my god, yes. Um, so I actually don't I actually don't have um that much hate going on. I'm actually kind of underwhelming. Um very underwhelming. Um actually actually uh this this is this is this actually goes out to one theater, one theater in general. One theater, only one. I'm not talking about all theaters, just one theater. Landmark Cinema in Whitby, Ontario. If you guys don't fix your ceilings, if you don't fix your ceilings, we're gonna have some problems. I watched Toy Story 5. I watched Toy Story 5 with my with my little niece and my my brother and my sister-in-law, and I promise you, maybe 10 to 15 minutes are left in the movie. Because you know how movies are about to end, you know the movie's about to end, you know it's about to end. Yeah, the movie cuts off. Cuts off. It just shuts off. And I'm like, okay, I've this happened to me before, and I'm wondering what's going on. I turn around in the projector room where the theater is going on, flood, pouring, water just pouring, water just pouring down from the roof, right? We're like, what's going on? Confused. We go, we go out into the hallway, hallways soaked, water everywhere, flooded, flooded, everywhere, everywhere flooded. And and they're like, Yeah, we're just gonna give you two free tickets. And uh, yeah, that's about it. And we're looking around like yo, like I I I love Toy Story, don't get me wrong. But do I have another two hours to go sit down just so I can see the end of the movie? Just to see the last 15 to 10 to 15 minutes of the movie. That that that's what I'm talking about. We got to do better as people, man. Your infrastructure is terrible. It rained just a nickel bit. You it rained for, you know, I mean, it kind of rained hard, but like you don't have the infrastructure in your building for your roofs to hold up against some rain. Rain? It wasn't like it was snow, it was rain. That's bad. And 245. You know how disappointed the kids were? Uh me? Yeah. I was one of the kids. Uh, you know how disappointed the kids were? Oh my gosh. Oh my god. Holy. That's what I'm saying. I was over I was over there, I was over there tearing up because the movie was so beautiful. And then and then and then and then my suck up my tears because I couldn't even watch the last thing because the the thing didn't work. You know what I mean? That's what I'm talking about, bro. So landmark cinemas in Whitby, Ontario, you guys got to be better. I don't know what to tell you. I got two free tickets, and I don't know if I want to go back. I'm gonna go back. But but the problem is that uh now I gotta wait because now you gotta dry the theater off, the projector's probably ruined. Like, there's so many. You're not understanding me. It was pouring rain in the projector room, like pouring down rain. There was a hole in the ceiling. The person just came out and said, Yeah, sorry, we have to cancel the movie because the water's coming down. And we're like, bro, come on, just can somebody just put a bucket and like let's just continue, but then we turn around and it's like there's no bucket that you could put there. It's it was coming down like that's so bad.
SPEAKER_03Yes, no one's so sorry that happened to you. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_08It's not your fault, though. It's not your fault. It's it's landmark cinemas in Whitby, Ontario. That's that's who that's whose fault it is. That's who I'm talking to right now.
SPEAKER_03In case we missed it earlier.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, just in case, just in case.
SPEAKER_03Just so they know just that location, not just that location.
SPEAKER_08Not every not every cinema, not every landmark, you know what I mean? Not every land. Just that one. Just that one. Just that one. So that's my hero of the week, still.
SPEAKER_09That's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah. I feel like I'm the the old man of this of this group, but for me, it's the prices, man. Like as someone who's a theme club.
SPEAKER_08We're gonna go serious tanks, and I was like, yo, the price is a little too high.
SPEAKER_09I'm a theme club member, you know what I'm saying? I get my discounts, yes. I go now it's time for me to get the food. Why am I still paying a hundred? Either I'm big back or the prices are big.
SPEAKER_08Well, you know what I mean. When we go to the movie theater, we get we get a lot of things going.
SPEAKER_09A sangria, a popcorn, something, you're gonna put it in a shrimp. Yeah, okay, fine. Chicken sandwich. Okay, maybe it's me. But at the same time. Why have I I could have gone to what do you mean I could have gone to Cactus Club? Like what are we talking about here? Caitlin, this is me by myself. I go to solo Merv knows. I go solo Dola by myself to the movie all time. Imagine if I'm on a date. Imagine if I'm on a date. That's $200. Like, I might as well, we might as well go.
SPEAKER_20Well, it depends on who you think. Because like, I don't know if I mean depending. Maybe you have to start tussing out how much these people eat before you.
SPEAKER_09That that or maybe I trust that before I'm about to tell you that hey, hey, hey, eat before you come.
SPEAKER_08I said bring them up to eat magic, yo. Eat before you get it up.
SPEAKER_09Make sure your stomach is full before you before I hit you up. Or my solution would be so I'm not hating as much, is that they need to let us, you know, be BYOF. Bring your own food gang. Like a lot. I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I don't know who's watching, who's listening to this podcast, but yes, I do bring in sometimes my own meals via pockets. I'm not gonna go. I don't know what you're pulling bowl. I should look at the bread with food list.
SPEAKER_03You ever been there?
SPEAKER_09Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I go to the food court one time. I got like a Vietnamese like and I like put it in my backpack and then I'm like, You took fun there?
SPEAKER_09Oh, that's why I thought that's actually why it's uh do a seafood boil broil in there. But it's hilarious, you know, when the when the workers come in to do whatever they do at the bottom of the screen, or they're just seeing me chomping out on your face. Wait.
SPEAKER_07We tell Jamaican food in the colossus. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_09Nah, that's hilarious. All right, we're finally here at the last segment. It's called the Heat Check. So we're gonna do the first trivia, which is just five questions about found destination. Marvel take you through that. And the second thing we have is called the 94 feet full press. And you know, you used to be a basketball player, so I don't gotta explain to you, but it's when you pick up your your your your your opponent full court. So we're gonna full court press you with rapid fire questions. Um, and again, rapid fire, but you can take your time and answer. Um, and I think it's 24 to represent 24 seconds on the shot clock. But Murray, you want to take her through the Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Uh I'm sorry, I apologize in advance. Um, I usually have hard questions. Um, they might not be too difficult for you, so you might be alright, but I usually I feel like I'm gonna do so bad.
SPEAKER_03No, you I did so bad in our final destination trivia the first time. You'll do I remember the things that happened. I just don't remember who did them or when.
SPEAKER_20That's okay. Hit me. It's fine. Let's go.
SPEAKER_08What date was the flight for the flight to Paris in uh Final Destination number one?
SPEAKER_19Girl, I don't know.
SPEAKER_20Why would I know that?
SPEAKER_09That was hard, that was tough.
SPEAKER_20Um, shit. I don't know, like 2005.
SPEAKER_03Uh I know it's wrong.
SPEAKER_08What was it? Uh one second.
SPEAKER_03You don't even know it.
SPEAKER_08Oh, May 13th, 1999.
SPEAKER_20Oh shit. I did know that. It's okay.
SPEAKER_08Oh for one, all for one. The good news is we have four more. Go ahead. We we definitely have four more. Um I'm not gonna get them. Are you sure?
SPEAKER_02Let me not.
SPEAKER_08Which okay, this is this should be easy. This should be this should be easy. How many of the final destinations did Tony Todd show up in? Oof. Actually, this is actually I don't know.
SPEAKER_02There was he showed up in I think four of them. And I think he was a voice in one of them.
SPEAKER_11I know he wasn't in office.
SPEAKER_02I don't know if that's counted in the fourth.
SPEAKER_03But I do know that he showed up as the voice in one of them.
SPEAKER_08He was in the voice, he was the voice of the roller coaster in number three. If I'm not mistaken.
SPEAKER_02Was it four or five?
SPEAKER_08He was the voice of the roller coaster and and and number three.
SPEAKER_02Wait, I don't think he was in number four, was he?
SPEAKER_08Uh was he?
SPEAKER_02I don't know. It's four or five. Tell me.
SPEAKER_08It's four or five movies he was in?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_08Including the voice? Including the voice or not including the voice?
SPEAKER_02I don't know. Whichever gets me the right answer.
SPEAKER_08I like that. I like that. Alright, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right. So he was in number one, of course.
SPEAKER_20Yes, he was in number two.
SPEAKER_08Yes. And then in number three. Was he?
SPEAKER_03Was he I don't know, was he? He said he was the voice of the roller coaster. I know he was the voice of the roller coaster. Was he the voice of the roller coaster? I know he was the roaster.
SPEAKER_08I just want to make sure, I just want to make sure that this is your final answer. He's trying to trick you up. Be confident, you got it.
SPEAKER_20Four or five. Like, just pick one. Tell me, tell me a correct. Yes, I knew it.
SPEAKER_07Last second, last second, last second, last second, last second, last second, still.
SPEAKER_08Okay. One for ten. And and he was, in fact, the voice of the devil in the of the roller coaster in number three.
SPEAKER_10Yes.
SPEAKER_08Yes. So, yes, good job. Good job. Good job.
SPEAKER_10Thanks. Um, we do that one.
SPEAKER_08Alrighty. Um, okay. One of the characters, I'll even tell you the movie. One of the characters in number three had the same name as a school they went to. What was his name? Last name. Sorry, last name.
unknownI don't know.
SPEAKER_03I don't know anybody's name. I know Timmy, the guy who got squished by the window.
SPEAKER_20Dingy. Or the glass, not the window, the glass. I don't know, but I don't have no idea. I'm gonna make up a name. Make it name of the school. A school in the movie?
SPEAKER_09Yep.
SPEAKER_20I don't remember the name of the school.
SPEAKER_09I don't know this one either.
SPEAKER_20I was look, when I was watching these, I was watching them like this. You think I caught the name of the school?
SPEAKER_09Facts.
SPEAKER_20Um, I don't know. I think I'm gonna have to I have no idea. I literally don't know the answer to this.
SPEAKER_08McKinley. And his name was McKinley. Mmm, McKinley.
SPEAKER_20Okay, wait. Now that you said it to me, I do remember that.
SPEAKER_08I know. I know you do. You know, you do it now. It's all right. 1.3. It's all right. It's all right.
SPEAKER_20It's not bad. It's okay, it's okay. You're doing a great job.
SPEAKER_08You're doing a great job.
SPEAKER_20It's not bad. So nice. You're being so nice to me. This is bad.
SPEAKER_08He does this to me all the time. This is what I gotta do with it. Yeah, Duane sucks at this game.
SPEAKER_20Um I think it's the pressure of like having to know they're having to like I should know these things, and then I remember them after you tell me them.
SPEAKER_08But do you know the name? Do you know the name of the of the guy that had the acupuncture done to him? Do you know the name of him, his real link, his name in the movie, or his name in real life? I'll even give you that.
SPEAKER_03No. I don't. I really think this is so bad. I don't know.
SPEAKER_09I'm telling you, the death was more significant.
SPEAKER_03Nobody knew the names. The death was.
SPEAKER_09We were just saying random names. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_20Because their names are all like Ashley and John and Ken and then there's queer rivers.
SPEAKER_08Oh. I thought you were gonna get it. His name was Isaac. His name was Isaac. Didn't know that. And and his real name is PJ uh Byrne. Burn Brian? Brian Byrne.
SPEAKER_20I didn't know that either. Sorry, PJ.
SPEAKER_08Ah, one for four. Okay. Hey, hey, this is one for all the marbles. Not really. Um, but but you're doing a great job, though. You're really doing a great job. Efer has it.
SPEAKER_20You don't have to lie.
SPEAKER_08I'm I'm not. I'm really not. I'm really not.
SPEAKER_20How is this a good job? You could be offered every single time.
SPEAKER_08You could be offer. It could be what I'm saying. You could be. You really you really clutched up with that.
SPEAKER_03Optimus.
SPEAKER_08You could have a donut. You really clutched up with that, with uh the Tony Todd one. Really clutched up on that. Because if you said four, I was not gonna give you that, by the way. I was just gonna let Debbie known. I was not gonna give you that. Oh, yeah, very strict, strict programmer on here, very strict programmer on here. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give you one from your movie, but I'm gonna give you the one that you don't like, the the the the one you don't like. So, number four. How does the racist white guy die in that movie?
SPEAKER_19Oh shit. I don't really remember this one. I don't know. Wait, what racist white guy? I don't remember him. This is so bad.
SPEAKER_08I'll set the scene. He is uh he was about to go. Uh he was a remember the black guy was a security guard that wouldn't let anybody back into the racetrack.
SPEAKER_20Was this in was this in the race this was in the racetrack? This was in the initiating race.
SPEAKER_08This is after they survived. Sorry. This is after they survived the initial and then he did something. He died someone.
SPEAKER_19I don't remember this.
SPEAKER_08Okay.
SPEAKER_19I don't remember this death.
SPEAKER_08He was gonna he was going to put a uh cross on the guy's lawn, but then when he did, his car moved, he got hung onto his truck by the back and got lit on fire and was down going down the street on fire and crashed and blew up. Uh uh, you don't remember this, do you?
SPEAKER_20I feel like you're messing with me because I don't remember that scene. No, no, no, seriously. That's what you're literally about to Google it. Racist, I'm literally gonna go on racist white guy.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, look it up. See how he died. He got dragged down the street, he got dragged down by his own pickup, by his own uh tow truck and uh lit on fire, and then it blew up.
SPEAKER_20Attempted to burn you're right. I'm not reading this out loud. I'm humiliating myself.
SPEAKER_08I'm in love with the final destination franchise. All right, I know this stuff by heart. Thank you.
SPEAKER_20You are I mean, I maybe I I didn't like number four, so I maybe I just blocked it out of it.
SPEAKER_09I know, I know. It's not you, it's the guy asking the questions. That you can sleep by night knowing it's him. It is him, but it's not you.
SPEAKER_08You're allowed to play. So as as as a guest, as a guest, I I will give you a bonus question. Okay.
SPEAKER_03That's so nice.
SPEAKER_08No, no, no.
SPEAKER_03She got all of them right.
SPEAKER_08What was the what was the city called that your cousins lived in that you had to drive to?
SPEAKER_20Wait, how would you is there something in the movie that would show it? Because I don't know that we have the same answer because of conversations outside of what happened in the movie.
SPEAKER_08Did you guys not discuss it in the phone? Did you guys not say where you were born? Was there any city names? There was no city names.
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_08You're sure.
SPEAKER_20I don't think so. Because I remember asking them, where are we? Like, where what is this place? Like in prep. And it was a random city in middle of America in like middle America. But I don't know if it changed.
SPEAKER_08Okay.
SPEAKER_20God damn. How did I not know?
SPEAKER_08Point to you because the asker clearly got that wrong. So point to you. Wait, what did you think it was? An error by the questioner.
SPEAKER_20Well, I'm thinking of like the truck, the garbage truck that said a logo on it.
SPEAKER_08The logo on the garbage truck. But there wasn't. Oh, there wasn't? Oh.
SPEAKER_20I don't think so. There I've I think there's like something that says Cloverdale, New York on like a truck somewhere. But I don't think that is that what you meant?
SPEAKER_08No, I was just asking. I was gonna see if you had an answer. That was gonna look it up and see if you read it. Was that a trick question? No, it wasn't a trick question. I actually was curious because I thought that you you did say that there was a city name in there. So, but if you don't know it, then it's alright.
SPEAKER_20No, I don't think there was, but I do remember that there was like a truck logo that said Cloverdale, New York on it. I think it was like on the garbage trunk.
SPEAKER_08I I just made this question up at the last time. I don't really have the answer to it. So that's why I was trying to give you a point.
SPEAKER_20Where so if I said a city name, you would have been like, yeah, that's it.
SPEAKER_08He would have looked at sure. I would have looked it up and seen it. But that's crazy. Because I just made it up and and I clearly got that wrong, you get a point. So the first time that the questioner has has has had an error, actually, on the show every time.
SPEAKER_09First time, right now.
SPEAKER_08In all 70 something episodes that we've had, that's the first time we've got it. I'm glad it was me. Yeah, you know what I mean. You outsmarter me this time. This time.
SPEAKER_09Hey, hey, cat niss. Um but it's okay.
SPEAKER_20I got I know. It's about to be even worse because I did, so all right.
SPEAKER_09We're gonna move on to the 94 feet full press. And this is rapid fire, so it's really quick. Uh it's easy, it's not as intense, I'm not as difficult. Is this trivia? No, nah, it's not trivia. It's really innocent.
SPEAKER_03There's no way this is gonna be fast.
SPEAKER_20Oh my god. I'm pretty sure.
SPEAKER_09Ready? The last movie you've seen in theaters.
SPEAKER_20Uh the The Mandalorian and Grogu.
SPEAKER_09Oh wow. Oh, interesting. I didn't think you said that.
SPEAKER_20Yeah.
SPEAKER_09One word a movie with one word with a one-word title.
SPEAKER_19A movie with a one-word title? Uh Backrooms.
SPEAKER_09Oh, ah, ah, no, it might have to go again.
SPEAKER_08It's called The Back Rooms. The Back Rooms. I was about to say I can't think of anything.
SPEAKER_20Whiplash. We talked about that earlier.
SPEAKER_09Okay. I love that. A movie from the 90s.
SPEAKER_20Um, The Titanic.
SPEAKER_09A non-action Tom Cruise movie.
SPEAKER_03I don't know. I can't think of anything. I'm sorry. I can't think of anything.
SPEAKER_09Cocktail.
SPEAKER_20Give me one.
SPEAKER_09That's a good one. Wow. I thought you were gonna say something else.
SPEAKER_20Do you want me to help you out? What did you say?
SPEAKER_09Cock cocktail.
SPEAKER_20Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_09Yeah. Classic. Have you seen that?
SPEAKER_20No.
SPEAKER_08Classic. I wouldn't want to do anything. He literally just makes he just makes drinks in Jamaica.
SPEAKER_20Oh wow. Nice. Good for him. Oh, I think I've seen clips of it, but I didn't know that it was called that.
SPEAKER_09A movie where somebody gets eaten.
SPEAKER_20Uh that that uh Sharknado.
SPEAKER_09So instead of the classic Jaws, you went straight for Sharknado. I love it.
SPEAKER_20I said I thought Jaws and I was like, I'm not gonna say Jaws. That's two on the nose. And then I was like, what's another one? Sharknado.
SPEAKER_09Tornado full of sharks. I love it. Uh a movie where there's stand-up comedy in it.
SPEAKER_20Um a movie where there's stand-up comedy in it?
SPEAKER_09There's some good ones out there.
SPEAKER_20Um, like not a movie about stand-up comedy. Not a movie about stand-up comedy. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. I don't know.
SPEAKER_08You can phone a friend if you would like.
SPEAKER_20Can I phone my friend?
SPEAKER_08Phone a friend.
SPEAKER_20Phone my I'm phoning a friend.
SPEAKER_09Not your professor. Not your professor.
SPEAKER_20Oh shit. Oh my god. This is terrifying.
SPEAKER_09That's a good one. I would say the king of the king of comedy with De Niro. Uh oh, a movie? Name a movie with a breakup. Oh. That's that's easy.
SPEAKER_20There's literally so many movies with a breakup. There's what's that one with I can't think of the name, but I was just watching it the other day. The one with Vince Vaughn and Jennifer Aniston.
SPEAKER_07The breakup. That's called the breakups.
SPEAKER_03That's not called the breakup.
SPEAKER_07I promise you it's called the breakups. It's called the breakup.
SPEAKER_09The answer is in the question. Oh, Marriage Story is also a good one. There's a whole bunch. What is a movie with the name with the city name in the title?
SPEAKER_20Um, Sleepless in Seattle.
SPEAKER_09Ah Rapido, rapido. Uh what is a movie where there's no kissing in the film? Ooh.
SPEAKER_20Um, I don't know. Uh uh I'm trying to think of like kids' movies, but even those have kissing in them. Moana. Do they kiss in that movie?
SPEAKER_08Yeah, I guess I guess they don't, yeah. They don't.
SPEAKER_09Name a movie where the character sings in a non-musical. So it's not a musical, but someone breaks out into a song. Oh. You know what I mean? I'm going to the other guys. Will Farrell, man. That's the uh where he's uh singing the falklar in the bar.
SPEAKER_15And all the time.
SPEAKER_20I always think of that movie. Is it the five-year engagement where Jason was his name? The guy from How I Mitch. No, no, no. Sorry. Chris Pratt is like singing.
SPEAKER_09Yeah.
SPEAKER_20I think I think yeah, it's a five-year engagement. Is that what it is?
SPEAKER_09The last movie or name a movie was Samuel Jackson had hair or full head of hair.
SPEAKER_08Oh my gosh. You know what's crazy? I just watched it. I don't just see the movie. I just see the movie. Photo Friends.
SPEAKER_09What's your answer?
SPEAKER_08The cleaner. I just see it's hilarious.
SPEAKER_09I would have said Pulp Fiction, but yeah, you can go with any of those.
SPEAKER_20Oh, yeah, I've seen Pulp Fiction. I forgot about that.
SPEAKER_09Name a movie with heavy narration.
SPEAKER_20Um, what do you mean? Like literal narrations?
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Voiceover. I have I literally every single one you said I have back. Something has popped in my head immediately. It's crazy, actually. This game's kind of fun, so I hate this game.
SPEAKER_20I hate these games. Um, I don't know. I can't I can't think of anything off the top of my head. You take it. Take it from me.
SPEAKER_08What do you got? Georgia the Jungle. Tough.
SPEAKER_20Oh fuck. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Oh my god.
SPEAKER_20I keep forgetting about all these movies. I don't think there's anything recent that's had any narration in it, has there?
SPEAKER_09Uh Gone Girl. Gone Girl, yeah.
SPEAKER_20Okay, well, yeah.
SPEAKER_19Oh my god, I forgot.
SPEAKER_09But yeah. What is a movie based on a toy?
SPEAKER_19Uh, like Toy Story?
SPEAKER_09That's actually the opposite. No, opposite, yeah. There has to be a movie that the toy came first. Uh, there's no way that you have to get it. Army. Yeah, that's that's that's a good answer. He-Man, too, is another one. Uh name a film that where the sequel is better than the original.
SPEAKER_20Kind of subjective, I guess. Uh subjective for sure. I mean, I guess we talked about it. Hungry Games.
SPEAKER_09Okay, I like that one. I'm going Dark Knight. Dark Knight. Yep. All right. That was the final question. Uh, you did a good job with that one. That was that was solid.
SPEAKER_20Yeah. You can't look. No, I'm gonna say it again. I have ADHD. Making me do things fast is literally like putting me in handcuffs. And it's like so I can't that was so hard.
SPEAKER_09That was fun. That was that was that was fun. But here we're at the final part of the show. It's called the Let Me Put You On segment. So basically, we suggest two films that you recommend for our viewers and listeners that are based on the episode. Um, obviously, we're talking about Final Destination, we're talking about Hunter Games, talking about a whole bunch of stuff. But seeing how you're in Final Destination would be cool if you could suggest two films. You know, Alien came down to the planet and you wants to introduce him to a film in the Final Destination franchise. What are the two films that you would recommend?
SPEAKER_20From Final Destination, the franchise. Um I would tell them to watch mine, of course. Um, and then I would tell them to watch actually no, I would tell them to watch one and five. Maybe because they go together.
SPEAKER_09Interesting.
SPEAKER_20I guess. I think, but I also just like mine, so I'll tell them to watch three. Mine and one and five, so they can be excited when the end of five happens because of number one.
SPEAKER_08Awesome. I like that. I guess one for the lower, I guess. Um you kind of have to. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You kind of have to. And then three. Like that. I just I just like three, uh, I guess.
SPEAKER_09Biton. I'm going six, obviously, bloodlines like that. And I think uh yeah, I'm going number two, number two for me. So six and number two.
SPEAKER_20I guess you could do the little I mean it makes sense because the logs tie in both.
SPEAKER_09Exactly. Exactly. Well, they what's it this is the word I always struggle with before we go with it. Sha Shivoski's gun? Shikovsky's gun?
SPEAKER_08Sh- Sh- Sh Shivsky's Shigoshki's gun. I don't know what's saying the word either. It's a contunks. Whatever. The log was definitely calling back. Yeah. Shabesky's gun? How do you say the word? I don't know.
SPEAKER_09I don't know. This is why we should have gone to film school, Murph.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, this is exactly our problem. See? This is exactly our problem.
SPEAKER_09Whatever I show in act one is being used in act three as as the tool to to liberate the character, whatever that is. Yeah. Okay.
SPEAKER_10Yes.
SPEAKER_09Uh, but it's been a great episode. Um, talking to Icon Man, I'm excited to see what you're gonna do in this business to continue to get at work. And um, obviously, anyone who hasn't seen Bloodlines, wake up, you're tweaking, you know, get up, you're gonna beat that rock. Come on. Um it's been great listening to just the insights, the stories, the behind the scenes, just the process. And obviously, um, you giving us your time has been tremendous because you could be doing anything else. And it was kind of a long episode, but we'll we'll get it right. But appreciate you for your time. It's been fun. Like, I love talking movies and then meeting newer people and speaking about movies just is something that like my heart really, really loves. So I I think I had a great time in this episode and really appreciate your time for sure.
SPEAKER_08Thank you. Oh, so sorry. Good and go.
SPEAKER_20Well, I was just gonna say thank you for having me. Like, I mean, this was so fun. I love getting to talk about movies and and also meeting people, and I'm just really honored that you both invited me here to yap. So thank you. I had a great time.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you so much for being here. Uh, we're professional yappers on this on the show as well. So to have anybody else on that just wants to talk movies is that's why we can talk for three hours because it doesn't feel like three hours talking, you know what I mean? So really appreciate you being on. Really excited for what you have going on in the future. We have a real GOAT on the on the show, so I appreciate you being here. And thank you for reviving uh Final Destination. They wouldn't have done it without you.
SPEAKER_20Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you so much.
SPEAKER_09Appreciate you. Fast. And then for the CDM family out there, of course, subscribe to us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, Merv. Are we on Snapchat? Not yet, not yet. Uh TikTok. We're doing our thing on TikTok reviews, and obviously Instagram. Follow us, subscribe, and email us if you want uh, you know, some more requests on who you want to see on the show and also more topics for us to talk about. But again, same time, same place. We'll see y'all next week. See ya.