In this episode of the podcast, Alastair McDermott and Chip Scanlan discuss Chip's book "33 Ways Not to Screw Up Journalism".

Chip talks about the importance of being human as a journalist, and shares his personal experiences and insights on how it can help journalists build trust with their sources, and provide rich detail for their stories. He shares tips for journalists on how to build that trust, including asking open-ended questions, revealing something about yourself, and conveying a sense of trustworthiness.

They delve into the topic of "counter phobia" and the importance of pushing through fear and resistance to achieve one's goals. They connect this idea to their own experiences and find that there is a common theme between their works, which is about not letting things hold you back and taking action. They agree that it's important to use the information we consume to take action and not just let it sit unused. 

The conversation highlights the fact that being authentic is crucial for successful journalism.