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Over opinionated with Josh Scott
We Are Not The Same #93
Hello everyone, welcome back to Over Opinionated. The last episode was very sad. We talked about the death and assassination and I will say martyrdom of our brother Charlie Kirk. We're going to continue talking somewhat about that and somewhat of the memorial service. It was a beautiful, beautiful memorial service and I want to address some things. Before we do, I have to say I'm exhausted, but I wanted to push myself to put this podcast out, so it was still relevant. Get it out tomorrow, which will be Wednesday.
Speaker 1:Yesterday I had the privilege me, my wife and my granddad drove to a small church outside of Hillsville, virginia, and I got home about 11.30, so I'm exhausted, and I had a Republican Party meeting tonight, so I'm just exhausted. So I'm just exhausted. But I got to see Dr James White, who is a very wise guy. He has a PhD, he's a church professor, he's a pastor, a podcaster. He travels the country in his RV. He's from Phoenix, arizona, and we went to I think the name of the church was Justified, or Justified Redeemed Reformed Baptist Church. I believe it's just outside of Healesville. Very nice people Listen, I'm an Armenian. I don't believe in predestination the same way Calvinists do, but there are brothers and sisters. And when I saw that Dr White was coming to a church around an hour and a half from me, I was like I've got to do it.
Speaker 1:I watched his show, the Dividing Line, and he said he was in a small town called Whiteville, virginia, and it went over my head for a second and I was like, wait a minute, he with phil and um, and listen, I'm not making fun of him because I mispronounce stuff all the time and I understand with him. When you look at with phil it kind of does look like it should be pronounced wife phil. So I've been joking with my wife, um, that uh, yeah, we're heading to Wifeville, but it's Wytheville and you know my family's from Wythe County, so you know that's. It was kind of funny to me and so I got the privilege to hear him give a lecture at the Reformed Church just outside of Hillsville, virginia, and about the first thousand years of church history Really awesome. And he actually signed my book, the King James Only Controversy. He signed my book and it means the world to me.
Speaker 1:If you want to look at church history, go to James White. You know I'm an Armenian history, go to James White. Um, you know I'm an Armenian disagreement, but I love the guy. So, um, he's a very good teacher, he's helped me out tremendously, very smart, very wise man. But, um, but, if I seem tired, that is why, and um, but I have not forgotten the um urgency of the charlie kirk situation, the memorial service, some of the horrible, awful things people have said. And since the last time I've been on here, um, they have caught the shooter and he is in custody. He, well, he, he was forced to surrender himself. His dad basically made him. I won't say the shooter's name.
Speaker 1:Since the last time, I think, I've been on here, I also preached a message at Saltville Baptist Church. Their pastor asked me to come preach. Their pastor asked my pastor who could have some pulpit fill for him after his cataract surgery, and it was a blessing. I preached on the Lord's Prayer and hopefully I was a blessing to them. I'm eventually going to record that and have that as a podcast episode here because they record the service. So it was my pleasure to preach for the first time in many years. I've done Bible studies and street evangelism, but that was my first formal preaching in a few years, so it was a good thing. But I'm going to say the Lord's Prayer and then we're going to get on with the episode. Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name and thy kingdom. Come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven, and give us this day our daily bread. Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not in temptation, but deliver us from the evil. One for divine is the kingdom, the power and glory forever and ever. Amen. Um. So, after it's been over a week since Charlie Kirk was murdered and I'm still very emotional about it I get touched about it. His message has been amplified ten times since his death and tons of Turning Point USA chapters are getting started, um, and people are hearing the message of conservatism, but, most importantly, people are hearing the message of Christ and his memorial service.
Speaker 1:They went to the Arizona Cardinals Stadium. I'm glad they allowed them to use it had over a hundred thousand people there and then then, um, they had a hundred thousand people total. I think twenty thousand were in the overflow. I mean, that's more than you can get watching an nfl game, because they had seating on the field. So where you can um go on the field? They had seating there and any conservative worth his salt. That was a podcaster, influencer. That was in government, was there. A lot of people in the federal government were there. Secretary Marco Rubio gave a speech. Rfk Jr gave a speech, donald Trump Jr, donald Trump Vice President Vance made a speech, and all of them were pretty good. I know Trump had some criticisms about his speech and we're going to talk about it. I'm going to play a clip and Erica Kirk went out there and made a speech, but there's been a lot of people on the internet posting horrible, horrible things.
Speaker 1:I've seen it about Charlie Kirk and I just want to say, before I get too far into this episode, I know that there are brothers and sisters that vote Democrat that are still my brothers, still my sisters. I go to church with a lady who votes Democrat. We don't talk politics, never have, but if she brought it up I'd be respectful to her. She's my sister in the Lord. She loves God. I see her worship. I know she loves God. I just think she's wrong. There are still good Christians on the other side. With that being said, I personally believe they're voting for the party that is in the wrong and is less close to biblical values. I do. I'm a Republican. I believe the Republican Party lines up more biblically than the Democrat Party. We're not perfect. We have a lot of sin in the Republican Party and there's a lot of sin with Republican voters, no doubt about it. But I truly believe that the Democratic Party has a demonic element. When I see people and not just party officials but voters when I see people making TikToks laughing about Charlie Kirk's death officials, but voters want to see people making tiktoks laughing about charlie kirk's death um, when I I went to a bible study with a woman that was always leaned to the left.
Speaker 1:She's actually a communist, um, I don't know how long she's been open, an open communist, but she is. She's always been very far left and um, but you know, but um, I went to a bible study with this girl for years, always leaned to the left, she was going to a conservative church, theologically conservative. Um, I'm not going to say what church because it'll give it away. I'm not going to say her name, but um, she was always kind of in the felt, in, in the out and out. I could tell her and her husband Because, how liberal they were and they're more liberal than the Democrats.
Speaker 1:They're actual communists and you know, especially from some of the account of her husband I found on Blue Sky where he just let it all come out. He didn't hide it at all, but, um, you know, I just there was a pastor and um, um, some back as a black Baptist church, nothing wrong with the skin color, but I was just given the background that was saying horrible things about Charlie Kirk, saying he hated that he was, he was murdered, but his, his murder doesn't make him a better man. He's saying horrible things about someone I consider a brother and you don't even have to agree with charlie politically, but charlie preached the gospel of jesus christ, the death, burial and resurrection. He just did. And, um, I, you know, I made a comment on the post and I put pastor in quotation marks, basically saying he's not a real pastor. And I'm going to call this person Sally. I'm going to read you this conversation, this argument. We had just to show the heart of people.
Speaker 1:This is a self-proclaimed Christian. I'm truly worried about her and her, um, I'm just truly worried about her faith. I can't judge people, I can't condemn someone to hell or put someone in heaven, but the things she says are not Christian. These are not things that I believe would the spirit lead you to say I, I believe a spirit would lead you to say it, but not the spirit. I mean truly hateful, hateful stuff. But your politics does matter. What you believe does matter and it will influence you spiritually. That's why, you know, I always say say, get your politics from the Bible.
Speaker 1:I'm a Republican but I can't just say everything they do is right. I have to check them with the Bible. Listen, sometimes I am. I do hit the Republicans on some welfare measures. Well, yeah, we do need a good welfare system. Sometimes my party goes too far in immigration, not illegal immigration, but just legal immigration, allowing people to come over here. I'm very pro-immigrant. I want good immigrants to come. I want to know where they're coming from, I want to know who they are. But I do believe it's Christian to be pro-immigrant and I'm okay with deporting illegals if we do it humanely and we are doing it humanely. But I'm going to read the comments.
Speaker 1:So I put pastor in quotation marks. She responded yeah, he's ordained. He leads a church, he's a pastor. So I responded so are blue-haired lesbians. I don't really care if the government recognizes his ordination. I should have said, instead of putting the government recognizing his ordination. I should have put the nomination um, in the state of Virginia.
Speaker 1:In most states you have to have a certificate to be able to marry people. It's not called a minister's license, but it's basically a minister's license. You don't have to be an ordained minister to marry people, but you do have to have a certificate to marry people, and this is what most people refer to as a minister's license. She responded bro, the government question mark. The government doesn't ordain pastors and literally never has. This is where she's getting and she put the laughy face. This is where she's getting and she put the laughy face. This is where she's getting extremely cocky and stupid.
Speaker 1:The church she's a part of the Episcopal Church. Usa is a branch of the Anglican Church. Guess what? The Anglican Church and England, the state government, the government of the United Kingdom, ordains people. So yeah, throughout Christian history, kingdom ordains people. So yeah, throughout Christian history, governments have ordained people. We might not do it in the United States.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I was wrong. I shouldn't have said government recognized ordination. I should have just said you know, and I brought that up and I'll comment it Fair enough, forgive me for the mishap. That's only partially true, though, because there are some countries with state churches, but here's what you have to go to perform a marriage. And then I gave her the authorization of a marriage law. And then I put further.
Speaker 1:My point was there's a lot of ungodly people in liberal denominations that should not be pastors. Maybe their church ordinated them, I don't care, they're not qualified. They support sinful lifestyles. Also, what this pastor said is pretty disgusting about Charlie. Progressive and liberal Christianity Is a warped Christianity. They're compromising God's word, and that's true. You look at these, when you look at these Progressive and liberal churches and denominations, they do compromise God's word and people get confused Between liberal and conservative when talking politically and theologically. There's an overlap. Okay, most conservative people theologically are conservative politically, but they're not the same. You can be conservative theologically and liberal politically, and vice versa. There are different terms and we do need to establish them because they are important. So I went on um, they're compromising god's word. I put um. Then I put he's such a poor christian. Then I put he's such a poor Christian, give me one second. She responds. The pastor in question is Baptist, not Episcopalian.
Speaker 1:Your debate tactics, max Kurtz, provoke to anger, deflect, confuse, change the subject. It isn't a good method. You keep throwing out unrelated buzzwords to pull me off topic. You seem extremely interested in lesbians Interesting. So she's insulting me. She's doing what she's accusing me of doing. She's insulting me and then saying I'm throwing curveballs. Well, that's not true and she thought it was an insert to call me like Charlie Kirk. That's not an insult. I was bringing to question something that was important to the conversation, so it's just silly. And before this I shared something I said he was such a poor Christian that he shared Christ and his salvation message with people. And I brought up Episcopalians being liberal, because that's where she goes now. And I put I know you meant that as an insult. After she was talking about after her last comment, I wrote I know you wrote that, as I know you mean that as an insult, but comparing me to Charlie is like one of the greatest accomplishments you could ever give me. Thank you. And these aren't, um, these aren't subjects. It isn't a good method. You keep okay, forgive me, um, and these aren't just buzzwords. Okay, let me reread my message. I know you mean that as an insult, but comparing me to Charlie is like one of the greatest accomplishments you can give me, compliments you can give me. So thank you. These aren't just buds words.
Speaker 1:Many denominations have went and went and churches have went astray. Would you say having a homosexual pastor is wrong. She said this is so random. We're not debating who can be ordained. Neither us can decide that, again, the pastor in question is not a homosexual. This is unrelated. Why are you so drawn to gay pastors? And she, she's. She's accusing me of um. This lady sally's accusing me of trying to just poke the bear and throw out ed haggum and attacks, when she keeps asking me why do you care about me? Why do you care about gay pastors? Why do you care about lesbian pastors?
Speaker 1:The whole argument started about who a true ordained pastor could be according to God's word. That's, that's what I cared about, that's what I wanted to know. So, and obviously, being a homosexual would disqualify you from being a pastor, would disqualify you from being a pastor. I mean, it just would. So I'm asking that question and I put I responded the discussion and the question was is everyone behind the pulpit or everyone that is ordained should be a pastor?
Speaker 1:You left your church for whatever reason, valid or invalid and now go to a denomination that ordains homosexuals. I think that's fair to ask you Is it okay to be a homosexual minister or does that violate qualifications to be a minister? And I'll read her comment. She obviously acts like a typical liberal and very unfaithful, very unchrist-liked. And well, how dare you bring up, why are you being bringing up personal attacks? I wasn't personally attacking her. This is relevant to the conversation. You left a conservative bible-believing church to join a church that is pro-gay, that ordains homosexuals. Can you be a homosexual minister? That's what I'm asking her. Does it violate the qualifications? I want to know what she believes. This whole conversation. She refused to answer my question. She just insulted me and said oh, why do you care so much about lesbians? Why do you care so much about gay pastors? She knows why. She's not stupid, she's being hard-hearted, she's being hateful. That's all it is to it. I want to keep reading.
Speaker 1:Also, we've moved on to ad hominem attacks. Very, charlie kirk, that's not an ad hominem attack, it's a relevant question. And thank you for calling me like charlie kirk, because then you know what she's writing. This one thing in this debate. You know I'm not as smart as kirk, I'm not saying that, but if she she wants to call me Charlie Kirk, that's fine.
Speaker 1:In this debate. She is like one of these tons of college campuses when Charlie would go to college campuses. She's like one of these tons of liberals that get mad and frustrated, say attacks and then accuse Charlie of being an evil Nazi, an evil racist. That's what she's doing here. She's not calling me a Nazi racist. That's what she's doing here. She's not calling me a Nazi, but that's what she's doing here. The same tactics, just all hatred, demonic rage, whatever you want to call it. Just pray for this lady. I want her to be saved and I'm so afraid for her right now. I'm not saying she's demonic, but I do believe her communist influences have led her far away from truth.
Speaker 1:I respond that this is not an ad hominem attack. I'm just asking you is a homosexual minister qualified? I've asked you several times and you keep avoiding the question also, I've asked you several times and you keep avoiding the question Also. Sally, the man was just murdered over a week ago. Don't you see how? And I said don't you see how this rhetoric contributed to that? Okay, let me reread that Also Sally, the man was just murdered over a week ago. Don't you see how dangerous your rhetoric is? You're not being tolerant, you're not being loving, you're not being Christ-like. I'm not attacking you, I'm just trying to get you to answer my question. I was. I wanted her to answer my question, but she wanted to go on a communist, anti-christian rant. Here it is. You're right, I could be more Christ-like.
Speaker 1:Charlie Kirk was a whitewashed tomb. He did all his deeds to be seen by others. He loved the place of honor. At events, he traveled across seas and land to make a single convert. When he, when someone became a convert, kirk made him twice as much a child of hell as himself. He tithed the mint and dill and coming and neglected the weights and measures of the law, justice, mercy and faithfulness. He, he was a blind guy that's straightening out a gnat and swallowing a camel. He outwardly appeared righteous, but inside was forgive me, these are all screenshots and I have to he outwardly appeared righteous, but inside was full of hypocrisy and lawlessness the head's man's bones. This is the word of God. Yeah, okay, you know what you're doing here, sally. You're twisting scripture. You're being a sinful scripture twister. That's what you are. You're being a complete and utter jerk. Yeah, those things are in the Bible, but not because of Charlie Kirk. I mean, I quoted y'all guys.
Speaker 1:Last week Charlie Kirk said you can be a Democrat, you can be on the left, but the most important thing is you have Jesus. That's what he said. He preached the true gospel. That is not. Charlie Kirk did not create children of hell. You sound like the Pharisee that accused Jesus of being demonic when he rose people from the grave, when he gave people the sight to see. They couldn't refute that, so they accused him of being demonic. You're using demonic powers. That's what you're doing to Charlie Kirk. And be careful. Remember what our Savior said. He said this Whoever sins against the Son of man can be forgiven, but whoever commits blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will have the unpardonable sin. You're denying God. That's what you're doing In your heart In the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. I'm not saying you committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, but you're dangerously close To saying that Kirk made twice as many children of hell when he preached the death, burial and resurrection of our savior.
Speaker 1:I don't see that at your communist crap. I don't see Bernie Sanders talking about the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. I don't see people Sanders talking about the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. I don't see people on the far left and on the communist side, talking about the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. You know why I don't see that? Because communism is normally utterly opposed to Christianity. Communists have killed more Christians than the Romans ever did, and I'm about I'm pretty sure I'm right on that, you can double check me. They've killed a crap ton of my brothers and sisters, eastern Orthodox Catholics, protestants. They have killed us all.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, you can hold on to your stupid Marxist ideology. And listen, I'm not rich. I'm far from it. I go to work every single day, I make my car payment, I do what I have to do. I would probably be on the lower end of the totem pole when it comes to income, but the last thing I want is Marxism, because I love my Christian brothers and sisters and it doesn't freaking work.
Speaker 1:So yeah, be a Marxist Christian, be a Nazi moron. Call my brother, my modern brother, charlie kirk, a child of hell. And I may, someone who made children of hell. But the only child of hell right now I see is you, sally, and I pray for your repentance. You don't have to grieve, charlie. Politically you can be a democrat and be saved. But what right now you're saying is I don't know. I've struggled all week with it. It breaks my heart.
Speaker 1:You bring up social justice. I'm going to keep reading when she brings up James, true and undefiled religion is caring for the poor, the childless and the widow. Yeah, amen, I agree with that. That doesn't mean communism. Show me where Jesus advocated for communism. Oh well, he'd say take. If you have two coats, give one to your neighbor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's talking about individual persons, but why is it? Why is it the communists and leftists always want to apply the words of christ and the words of the bible when it comes to giving to the poor, but not when it comes to the sword of justice or not when it comes to immigrants assimilating. You talk about welcoming the immigrant and amen, we should, but not about simulation. You don't want to talk about Ruth saying your God will be my God and your people will be my people. You use the Bible when it's convenient to you and then, when we use it, you say that we're creating a theocracy of Christian nationalism. You're a hypocrite upon hypocrites. We are not the same. And yeah, is there people on the right who has misused the Bible for political gains? That doesn't really believe scripture Absolutely.
Speaker 1:I question President Trump constantly. Is he just saying this because he wants to be good with evangelicals or does he believe it? And I think he's partially struggling with it? I don't believe he's saved. I don't know the man's heart, but it doesn't seem like he's saved, and that'll make a lot of maggot Christians mad. I don't care. When he suggests work, work based salvation over his peace deals that God would let him into heaven. I'm sorry that's not how salvation works.
Speaker 1:But yeah, this gets me fired up because it's utter insanity. It's utter insanity. It shows how evil Marxism is, and even leftism. That's not Marxism. That's why I get scared about Democrat Christians. There are Democrat Christians I love that are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I believe they're misled. They are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I believe they're misled. But to be a Marxist and a Christian, I'm not saying that. No person that's ever had a Marxist belief don't say that. I don't believe that. Heck, I'm more populist. This is why this is so stupid. Yeah, I might be very, very outspoken socially conservative, but guess what? I'm not a traditional Republican economist. I'm not. I'm a populist.
Speaker 1:Trump is closer to the Democrats financially than George W Bush was, but you hate him with every ounce of your soul. Why is he not a communist? Let's keep reading. I responded If you would say that about Charlie Kirk, you would likely say it about anyone on the right who was a political activist.
Speaker 1:Was he a political activist? Yes, but he also preached the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the forgiveness of sins. Let me share this quote from him. But he also preached the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the forgiveness of sins. Let me share this quote from him you can be a Democrat, you can be on the left, I don't care. Jesus is, honestly, the most important thing. Then I said there's a woman at my church who votes Democrat, who strongly disagrees with Trump. She knows where I stand too. We get along well. She is my sister in the faith. Um, when Charlie Kirk was killed, she didn't belittle him or call him names. She simply said she disagreed with his views but was heartbroken. He was murdered and I told you about that over.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's true. And then she just put those aren't my words, they're Jesus's words. I wouldn't say that about anyone on the right, but I would certainly say it about Charlie Kirk. The shoe fits so, cold hearted, this is the party of love and tolerance. You don't. I don't see the love, I don't see the tolerance that you've been preaching. I'm sorry. I don't see the bleeding heart liberal right now. I see a cold hearted communist that has betrayed Christ for communism. And then I put this real short there's nothing more I can say to you. You obviously made your heart cold and hard, putting Marxism before the Bible, before the gospel. And she responded I do not accept your assessment of my heart. I just get the whole snap, snap thing.
Speaker 1:I don't accept your assessment of my heart. My heart is soft toward the loss, toward the poor widow and the powerless, the hurting and the needy. My heart is soft for a grieving wife and two children who miss their father. If my heart is hard, it is because Jesus made my heart hard toward religious people. He used grace as a weapon.
Speaker 2:It was.
Speaker 1:James who made my heart hard toward the the wealthy who kept backs of the wages of the workers marks, who made my um. It was james who made my heart hard toward the wealth wealthy who kept the wages of their workers marks, who made my heart hard toward capitalism. But James and Jesus started the process. My heart can be hardened and soft simultaneously. Well, you look like you have such a soft, nice heart. You're so nice, awesome, please, I believe I'm going to pull up the quote she's quoting from james. Okay, and this is part of the book of james I believe she's referencing, and she could also be mentioning, other parts of james. But this is the big one religion that god, our father, accepts as pure and faultless as this to look upon the orphan and the widows and their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. So providing for them, helping them, loving them. Yes and amen. And you know what? I see conservative Christians all the time trying to help people. At my church we give to a missionary that helps Christians in the underground church. In Iran we have a guy that helps at a homeless shelter. I've helped. Try to give him stuff, not to brag on myself. I've tried to give him supplies. We have a woman that works in a pregnancy resource center that helps to save lives, even though you vote for the party to kill them. Um, so we have these things.
Speaker 1:I am a big believer in christian charity. I'm a big believer in personal charity and I'm a big believer in the government helping those who can't help themselves or just need, or just need help. That's why it's so stupid. I'm a populist, but no, nothing is ever enough. You can't be a good christian unless you're a communist, unless you hate someone like charlie kirk. Absurd to me. It's absurd to me. We have two people, um, we have people all over the internet they're losing their jobs for celebrating the death. And I say that's good If you're going to celebrate the death of Charlie Kirk, I do not care if you lose your job. Two professors at East Tennessee State University, not far from here, were suspended, one was fired, one was forced to resign Good riddance. And then I've heard people well, you're just part of Woe Cry, you just want to cancel people. No, listen.
Speaker 1:Um, when I made the case that, uh, leftists were just shutting down free speech and they kind of were um, I understand, they weren't in you, they weren't using the heavy hand of the government, but they were saying if you believe homosexuality and abortions a sin, well, we're not going to give you a movie. If you, if you vote the wrong way, we're not going to put you. Well, we're not going to give you a movie If you, if you vote the wrong way, we're not going to put you in a play. We're not going to air your music Um, very frowned upon even across, you know, middle-class America around the water cooler, even frowned upon, um, just, even in the working class.
Speaker 1:Better be careful what you post on social media if you vote republican. So yeah, there's always an overton window, but if you're gonna make fun of someone's death, then guess what I, I you know, I'm willing to say I don't care, I don't care if the person's a writer at a left. If you're gonna make fun of someone's death, I would fire you. If there was someone that made fun of the death of the um, the individuals that were killed in Minnesota that were Democrats.
Speaker 1:I would fire them in a heartbeat. In a heartbeat, um, but you know, I, I want to, I want to before we get on too much further. Um, you know, jimmy kimmel said something very insensitive and he got it was more than sensitive. He's just complete another jerk and he lied. And the fcc commissioner said something like I have to pull up the quote. Um, I'm sorry, if I wasn't so tired of our, I would have already had a port pulled out. He said something like I have to pull up the quote. I'm sorry, if I wasn't so tired of art, I would have already had a port pulled out. He said something like we might have to start cracking down on false information, and it was false information what he said.
Speaker 1:Abc has now reinstated Kimmel, but a lot of the affiliates with abc are saying we're still not going to air kimball. So, um, kimball's kind of got his job back, but um, kind of iffy. So I'm actually going to play you guys something that a friend sent me um, he's a pastor at seven mile ford and a church at seven mile ford called trinity chapel, but before he was ever a pastor he worked in radio for years still operates a radio station, um in chihuahua called my christian radio and I want to play you guys his fault on the issue, because I asked him. I don't understand the FCC stuff and this guy knows what he's talking about. He's got a really cool show I like listening to. It's called Truth to Ponder and I actually want to have him on one day. So this is Pastor Bob. Well, thanks.
Speaker 2:Josh, you had asked me a while back if I could kind of give an idea of what is going on, with these late night TV programs being canceled, what the FCC can and cannot do. What did Brandon Carr say? He's the chairman of the FCC. What authority does he or the FCC even have over network programs? So let me just kind of give a real quick history and a small background.
Speaker 2:The FCC came into being many, many years ago. It started out as the Federal Radio Commission in the earliest days of radio to avoid interference problems and eventually to keep obscenity off the air, and communications act of 1936 added a lot of regulations, some of which have outlived their usefulness. Then television comes along, cable, satellite, and so the FCC has been involved primarily at the station level. In other words, they don't regulate networks. In fact, networks like ABC, nbc, cbs, fox and there are others as well they are just content or program providers. Now I produce a radio program. I don't need an FCC license to produce a radio program, but the radio stations that air my program do. In other words, I don't have to answer to the FCC for anything regarding my radio program, and you wouldn't either if you're doing your own. So understand that, the limited effect of the FCC, but the truth is and I'm going to give you my opinion I am a free speech kind of guy and I don't want to play the same games on those that I disagree with as they did on me for the past five years in the radio program I produced. The cancel culture came after me. For years I was deplatformed, threatened to be taken off stations, all kinds of things, and that was purely censorship for political reasons.
Speaker 2:Of course, much of our discussion today revolves around the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and one of the great quotes of Charlie Kirk go back about a year or so ago. He said and he wrote this on X last year he said hate speech does not exist legally in America. In other words, in his view and listen to me carefully on this, this will make sense Charlie Kirk said, said really there's no hate speech, and this is what the left has been trying to use against christians and conservatives for ages, calling the things that we say hate speech. You're, you're an islamophobe, you're a homophobe and and on and on and on. It goes or you're anti-science and you hate. You know you hate people that are gay, you hate people that are transgender. And charlie kirk was correct when he said we really don't. We don't legally hate speech does not exist. We have ugly speech, there is grotesque speech, there is evil speech and he correctly said all of that is protected by the First Amendment and I wholeheartedly agree. Senator Ted Cruz out of Texas, I admire him and I respect him and I find myself in agreement on almost everything that he stands for. But even he made that little mistake about hate speech and and I think that you know I mean I hope he takes it back.
Speaker 2:We don't need to be censoring speech. We need the marketplace of ideas to be opened without the violent and vicious cancel culture. I don't want to be accused. As a conservative and somebody that produces a radio program, I've already faced those trying to come after me. I am not going to go after your program even if I completely and totally disagree with its content. Just because I don't like it, I don't need the power of the government to suppress it.
Speaker 2:So let's kind of break down what has happened with the tv programs and, to be honest, a lot of what is being said, particularly on the left, is totally nonsensical and it's just, it's stupid stuff. The reality, these late-night so-called comedy programs are not comedy anymore, they are purely political. And all the big ones had something in common that were on ABC, nbc and CBS. All of them had something in common over the past 10 to 15 years. Something in common over the past 10 to 15 years their audiences have been declining and aging or dying off. There was a time that some of these programs were getting like three and four million viewers a night. That's pretty good for a late late night program at 11 30 at night. Late late night program at 11 30 at night, that really is pretty good. And the prime demographics looked really great, which is your 18 to 49 or 50 year olds, somewhere in that bracket. That that's what the advertisers are looking for to sell their product.
Speaker 2:The problem has been these programs are insufferable when it comes to politics. They've chased off 55 percent of their prospective audience and probably a big chunk of even independence because of their extremism in politics and they're money losers. And to give you an idea, I live for a number of years in florida in a small well, actually a medium-sized county, and that county is about 300,000 people Medium-sized county, 300,000 people. To give you an idea of another county that size, think of about Asheville, north Carolina, buncombe County around 300,000 people. It's not massive. The prime demographic audience for Kimmel had dropped down to literally 150,000 viewers in the prime 18 to 49 demographic.
Speaker 2:You can't sustain a program, paying a host millions of dollars and production crews and writers. You just can't do it. It doesn't make any sense, and so I'm certain that this has become an issue. When Joe Biden was in the White House, they could absorb the loss. By the way little side note, just having to think about this the View, which is a totally political disaster program. That's all it is. It is full of phony information and politics and it comes under the ABC News division, not entertainment. It is actually funded by the news division.
Speaker 2:The problem ABC, nbc and CBS are running into is they're shedding audience way too fast and they can't afford these guys. And so, as these so-called talentless in my opinion, former comedians that are no longer funny get on the TV and just chase away more audience, these networks are having to respond. Now, in the case of Kimmel, most recently, the FCC had nothing to do with it. The government had nothing to do with it. They can make their claims, they can say what they want to say, but they had zero to do with it. The government had nothing to do with it. They can make their claims, they can say what they want to say, but they had zero influence on what happened. What actually happened was remember, abc does not own all that. They only own a tiny number of TV stations, but there are hundreds of affiliates that just basically sign on to receive programming from ABC just basically sign on to receive programming from ABC and it started with like 40 or more affiliates.
Speaker 5:after the terrible and idiotic remark, and just to remind your audience of what was said, this is the quote from Jimmy Kimmel that sparked all the outrage we had some new lows over the weekend, with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.
Speaker 2:Okay, there's what Jimmy Kimmel actually said the Monday after Charlie Kirk had been assassinated, trying to say that you know, hey, the MAGA people. You know the Trump supporters, the conservatives, the Republican, the shooter was one of them. And yet by the time that Jimmy Kimmel was even having his scriptwriter put together that program, it was already dead obvious that that was not the case. The guy was not MAGA at all. I mean, he had already rejected everything his parents stood for. He was not a registered conservative, he was adopting and had been arguing with his parents over the past years, in particular about causes, and he had moved to the very leftist side. So to try to imply this was a dirty and absolutely despicable thing that Kimmel did. He lied and ABC lost some affiliates or they were threatening to leave, and so the head of Disney, iker, and another programming person. They reached out to Jimmy Kimmel and said look, you got to turn the heat down and, by the way, what you said was not true. You're going to have to correct the record. Jimmy Kimmel decided and this is now known it was like no, I'm not going to do that. And he planned on the next day after he'd been told this is no good. He was going to double down and repeat it and amplify it. And ABC Disney they said you can't do it. And so when he said I will not obey what I'm being told to do by the people that write my paycheck, the people that wrote his paycheck suspended him for not doing what he's told as an employee. I mean ABC Disney had to protect their own financial interest. You just had 40 TV stations say we are no longer airing Jimmy Kimmel and other groups threatening to do the same if something wasn't done. This was, if you want the truth, was absolutely and only an economic decision. Go back not long ago, colbert. There's another person that falsely believes he's a comedian. He is not. He's not a comedian at all. He's just an old hack that you know tried to cash in and he goes to the extreme leftist audience which is shrinking and dying off. Cbs basically said next year, when your contract is up in may, the program comes to an end. They could have fired him, but they decided just to announce that they're not renewing a contract. There's nothing that that stephen colbert can do about that. Contracts over programs over cbs is not going to continue with that kind of a program. The late night program that they had the late, late show, whatever they called it. It's over its history. And then you look at what happened at abc. They've had to make the same financial decision I'm just going to. So it's not the FCC and, like I say, I respect a lot of politicians. I think they misunderstand our own regulations when it comes to the FCC. I've been dealing with the FCC for 50-some-odd years and I've been in many a hearing, so I pretty well understand the law and so these were really economic decisions.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you go back, think of some of the things that were said just a few years ago. Let's Stephen Colbert. You know he had that song you know about. You know the vaccine. Everybody has to get vaccinated. Then you had it. Has to get vaccinated. Then you had it. And once again, you look at Jimmy Kimmel and the way what he thought about people not getting the vaccine. If you're having a heart attack and you're unvaccinated, just go die. You're not allowed to eat. He wanted to ban people from the hospital. Did ABC do anything about it? Of course not. Joe Biden is in office. They lean to the left and all the complaining in the world meant nothing because they still had an audience, but over the past four or five years that audience has been cut by way more than half. So no, it's purely economics that are driving this.
Speaker 2:I for one there's a lot of speech out there I detest, but I'm going to remind you of somebody that made a great statement and it goes back to just before the French Revolution a guy by the name of Voltaire. Voltaire is a guy that I would probably, if I was to sit down and have a cup of coffee or tea or whatever with him. He and I would probably if I was to sit down and have a cup of coffee or tea or whatever with him, he and I would be probably disagreeing on every major issue on the planet. But he did say something to which I firmly agree. He said that I may completely disagree with what you have to say, but I will fight to the death your right to say it, with what you have to say, but I will fight to the death your right to say it. And as Americans, we need to have this open forum of ideas, and that's what Charlie Kirk was trying to do have an exchange of ideas in a forum. In other words, he didn't try to cancel anybody, he didn't try to suppress anybody, anybody.
Speaker 2:And a lot of what is being said about him are totally out of context quotes. I there was a I nailed a few people that were sending me all this cut and paste silliness of these so-called quotes from his program. Well, you go to those programs because they gave the date and you find the quote and you, you expand, you extend it so you can hear the context, and they're taking it out of context grotesquely. That's not how you win in an intellectual battle by being dishonest, but the left has been dishonest. So what it comes down to is let the marketplace decide, let there be a free exchange of ideas without viciousness. Cancel culture or violence. I don't want to cancel the left and I don't want the left to cancel me. And there's some hope in all this too.
Speaker 2:Let's go back about 25 years ago. Not quite 25 years ago, talk radio had grown substantially, starting in the late 1980s, through the 1990s and into the early 2000s. Rush Limbaugh was on top of his game and audience and many others were coming along right behind him. And after George W Bush became president, al Gore raised millions of dollars from investors to start what was called Air America. In other words, it's going to be a liberal talk show network and they hired some of the best liberal talk show potential people they could find. And, a matter of fact, there's one that I know that moved from Florida to New York to be a part of this and she deeply regretted it later. They went out. They even purchased radio stations so they wouldn't have to even get affiliates. They went bankrupt in a few years because nobody was listening.
Speaker 2:But see, that's the marketplace of ideas. Let the people make the decision. Don't force them to have to hear you, but don't suppress somebody and their view. Just like, and I'll leave it at this Josh, my primary motivator for everything I do is not so much politics. Politics is becoming increasingly something I find I could care less about.
Speaker 2:I know that I live in this world. I know I'm in this world but I'm not of it. But I know that doing that, yeah, I still vote and I always choose the candidate. That's the smallest threat to my faith, my family, my finances and my future. That's how I choose a candidate and, yes, I do vote and I recognize that I'm not voting for the head. I choose a candidate and, yes, I do vote and I recognize and I'm not voting for the head pastor of a church.
Speaker 2:I mean, we have to get that thought out of our mind. We are salt and light in this world and I just want the ability to shine the light of truth where it needs to be shown. And even though we do know the day will come when Christ shall return again, I will still be acting as salt. Salt in Bible times was a preservative. We work to be a preservative and shine the light of God's truth to a lost and dying world, and so, no, I I want the ability to speak freely and not be canceled, to be well, to be literally sacrosanct. Now, I hope what I explained in in what is going on, that it's really economics, not ideology, that drove these guys off the air, that that's really the truth, though they'll try to the left will try to milk it for a lie, for something that it isn't, but that, my friends, is reality. And so, josh, I hope that what I shared today with your audience actually made some sense.
Speaker 1:And that was Pastor Bob. Yeah, he sent in that, that clip, and I truly appreciated him sending in that clip. Um, like I said, he's been in radio for years. He helped. He runs a radio station now and, uh, chill, how we, but you, how we, and um, if y'all have watched the charlie kirk memorial or even a portion of it, I think is a wonderful memorial. Yes, there are peopleall have watched the charlie kirk memorial or even a portion of it. I think it's a wonderful memorial. Yes, there are people that have used the cross and the bible on the conservative side that were doing it for just political purposes. But charlie wasn't charlie. Um was truly a man of god and um, I believe he became more and more so man of God later in his years. He is political, but sometimes I believe we have to be political. I actually want to play you a clip from Charlie, expending upon that right now.
Speaker 4:I will be honest, though in 2012, 13, 14, 15, 16, I felt a lot more passive about talking about my faith, because I was kind told not to, both by pastors and politicians. Wow, if you think about it, pastors like don't you dare bring that in here, don't bring it in the church. I grew up in a church environment that you do not talk about politics, you do not talk about philosophy, you just talk about the bible, we just do the gospel. That's it, which, of course, is, I believe, unbiblical right.
Speaker 4:Nehemiah, jeremiah, esther, mordecai, daniel, amongst many others, were all political figures. Yeah, fasted and prayed for the nation. Even deborah's yeah, exactly, the counselors to the king yes, so there's many examples of that. But then also politicians like oh, no, no, keep that christian stuff away, we just care about tax cuts and all this other nonsense. But look, I don't blame people for saying that. I'm a political guy. That is job Right, and so I'm focused on the second most important thing that I think a human being can focus on. So then, of course, everyone says what's the first thing? Okay, well, the first thing is winning souls for Jesus Christ, most important thing. Well then, charlie, what's the second thing? Let's make sure you can do the first thing.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. What's the first thing? To make sure you can win souls to Jesus Christ. What's the second thing? To make sure you can do the first thing Absolutely? And if you've watched the service, chris Tomlin had two songs from him. He might have done more songs, but two songs from him. That was beautiful. Just a whole NFL stadium worshiping God, people hearing about Christ. If I could, I'd play it for you, but it would get struck down. But it's just a beautiful thing. I want to play you something from Pastor Mike Winger about why I believe Charlie is a martyr and I know this episode is going to stretch a little long today, but just bear with me.
Speaker 1:If you've made it this far, it's not too much longer. But here's a clip of that.
Speaker 5:I believe that Charlie Kirk was a martyr. Now you might think, but he wasn't technically for the preaching of the gospel, mike. It wasn't specifically, probably because of the gospel. It was because of trans issues or feminism or marriage and family issues that's Christian values getting him martyred. And I think we have an example in scripture of somebody who, if you're going to say Kirk wasn't a martyr, then I think you'd have to say John the Baptist wasn't a martyr.
Speaker 5:John the Baptist was not for preaching the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. John the Baptist was because he held up moral values to the political power of Herod and he said your incestuous relationship with your brother's wife, this is wrong. And he spoke openly about it and it got him. John is absolutely a martyr and he's not the only martyr in scripture who was for holding up moral values in a political fashion. Scripture says precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints. That's a verse I would use for Charlie. I think he was for his Christian beliefs. Not everything he said was necessarily biblical or always consistent with those very Christian values. There's going to be areas of disagreement, but what I've learned from Charlie is, he can handle disagreement, and I can certainly handle disagreement, can you?
Speaker 1:I believe that's true, but I want to play you the clip of Erica Kirk, a very strong clip. Keep her in your prayers. Still, she's been a very great role model for women, I believe, and so I want to play you a clip of her. So this is a clip of Erica Kirk forgiving her husband's assassin.
Speaker 3:My husband Charlie. My husband, charlie. He wanted to save young men, just like the one who took his life. That young man, that young man On the cross, our Savior said Father, forgive them for they not know what they do. That man, that young man, I forgive him, thank you. I forgive him because it was what Christ did and is what Charlie would do. The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love. The answer we know from the gospel is love and always love, love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us.
Speaker 1:She's right. I know some people have said well, if Erica can forgive him, that means we shouldn't give him the death penalty. That's not true. It's still the government's job to bear the sword and I'm going over, so I'm not going to do the Bible verse of the day, but Romans 13 is the government's job to bear the sword pursuing the evildoers. But I'm glad Erica forgave him. You can still forgive him and pursue justice. You can still pray for this man. I encourage you to, as hard as it is forgiving our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.
Speaker 1:Donald Trump's speech afterward he said Charlie was a better man than me. He forgave his enemies, he loved his enemies and I hate my enemies. I hate them. I want to destroy them. Basically what Trump said and some people have said well, this is a horrible thing for Trump to say. It's a horrible thing for Trump to have in his heart that he hates his enemies. That is horrible. But what he was saying wasn't particularly horrible. He was saying Charlie was a better man than him himself. And, uh, that's what the president was admitting. So keep her, erica and her two children in your prayers. Uh, also keep Frank Turek in your prayers. He was a Christian apologist who saw the murder front hand. I've known about Frank for a while, very courageous man in Christ.
Speaker 1:But let me be blunt. The radical left and their reaction to Charlie Kirk's death has been disgusting gleeful memes, cruel jokes, even open celebration. And I need to say it loud and clear we are not the same, we're not guys. When George Floyd died, people across the political perspective and there were people on the right if you did make fun of this, you were wrong and I called you out on it and other people did too but we were on the. When George Floyd died, people across the political spectrum, including many of us on the right, mourned, Even those who questioned the riots, even those who disagreed with the politics and still recognized the man's loss of life. And we didn't burn down cities, we didn't burn down cars and loot, we didn't dance in the streets, we didn't mock his family, we didn't grieve, because life is sacred. We are not the same. They did do that, they did grieve. I mean, when we were grieving they were laughing. We didn't have to act like someone to honor the basic dignity of a human being. That's a line we refuse to cross. But today, too many on the radical left are crossing it without hesitation. And I tell you this this celebrating death isn't activism, it's hatred, it's a rot of the soul.
Speaker 1:So here's my challenge to you guys Don't just shake your head and move on. Call out the hypocrisy when you see it. Refuse to let bitterness and cruelty define who we are. Stand up for decency, not because it is easy, but because it is right. When we are tempted to hate, we choose to rise above. We choose to rise above.
Speaker 1:We are not the same and not everyone on the right is good and Christian, but I pray for them to be. But it's not just right or left, it's right and wrong. We are not the same. We are not the same. That doesn't mean I don't love Democrats, because there are brothers and sisters that are Democrats. But I would be lying to tell you if I didn't believe that there wasn't a demonic influence on that party and some people that vote for the party.
Speaker 1:That doesn't mean all and it doesn't mean a majority. But when I saw, when I've seen, the reactions of Charlie Kirk's death and people celebrating, they would celebrate my death and your death. They do not care about us when you're preaching on the street or evangelizing or loving or praying for someone. We know that quite a bit of the country would laugh at you if you died brutally in front of your wife and kids. We are not the same, so I pray for our country. May God bless you, and we'll be back here next week, hopefully talking about the life of King David as we get back into that series. God bless you.
