179. Healing The Five Heart Wounds That Shape Your Life

Your bank balance can look like a numbers problem while the real driver sits deeper: the story you learned about yourself. We’re joined by Natasha Leigh Bray, the creator of heart healing, to talk about why so many people do “all the right things” and still feel stuck, unworthy, anxious, or unable to receive. Heart healing works in a deeply relaxed subconscious state, blending scientific, spiritual, and energetic techniques to create rapid transformation by getting to the root of what keeps repeating.

We unpack the five universal heart wounds Natasha sees most often: enoughness, love, worth, trust, and acceptance. These are not only linked to big, obvious trauma. They can start with subtle “little” experiences, like comparison, rejection, broken promises, or not feeling seen, and then get reinforced through adult relationships and workplace dynamics. We talk about how these wounds show up as real symptoms: holding back from promotions, undercharging, people pleasing, fear of abandonment, difficulty trusting yourself, and the urge to sabotage progress right when things improve.

As financial planners, we’re obsessed with practical steps, but we also see the human behind the spreadsheet. That’s why this conversation matters for money mindset, financial planning, and long-term behaviour change. Natasha shares why healing the relationship behind a wound can shift identity, making it easier to receive money and love without pushing either away. If you’ve ever felt like you can have success or connection but not both, this will challenge that belief.

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Transcript

Welcome And Meet Natasha

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Hello everybody, welcome to Know Your Money. I'm Bronwin Wayner.

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And I'm Craig Finch, and we are from Growth Financial Planning. We hope you enjoy our podcast.

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Hello everybody. Welcome to Know Your Money. Hello, Craig.

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You're all good and new.

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Good, thank you.

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Look who we have in the studio.

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I'm very excited today. Today in the studio we have Natasha Libre. I have studied for I think it's a year basically under Natasha in the modality that she has created, which is heart healing. So welcome Natasha and thank you for being here. I just want to share with the world what it is heart healing is and what you do, and maybe you can share how you came

What Heart Healing Means

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up with it. Lovely to have you here.

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Hi Natasha.

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Thank you.

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Hi both. It's so great to be here. Thank you for having me on today. Right, the way to start is there's such a big backstory behind it. But what is heart healing? First of all, heart healing is a therapeutic method that is, it takes place in the subconscious state. So for anyone who um isn't aware of what that is, it's a deeply meditative state. So you are put into this state to receive the method. And it's a combination of scientific, spiritual, and energetic healing techniques, all mixed together to create a very powerful transformation for the person receiving it in as little as one hour. And it's really based on healing something I call the universal wounds of the heart. And everybody, no matter what you've experienced in life, whether you believe you have trauma or not, there are universal wounds of the human experience that everybody has. So we've all experienced feeling not good enough or feeling betrayed or abandoned or feeling not safe in our life. And they're those universal wounds that heart healing is designed to find the true root of them and heal those wounds to set the person free from the impact that those wounds have been having on them that they might not have even realized were there. Yeah, definitely.

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I can say from experience that that's exactly what's happened with me. I think we we don't realise the traumas or the things that are holding us back and affecting our lives in in a way. And I think through heart healing, it's things that I didn't even realise

The Five Universal Heart Wounds

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were affecting how I felt worthy or enough. Can you maybe just explain what the five wounds are and why someone should heal them?

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Yeah, sure. So there are lots of different universal wounds, of course, but there are five key ones that I discovered through my own personal healing journey and also all the clients that I've worked with, the most common ones that come up time and time again that seem to be really impacting people's lives and relationships and their careers and their success. So those five wounds, I'll just outline them and then I'll go a little bit deeper into each one. So we've got the enoughness wound, the worth wound, the trust wound, the acceptance wound. And the love wound. And the love wound.

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The love wound. Yeah. Okay.

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Yes, the love wound. So um, starting with the enoughness wound, then again, all of these wounds are universal, which means we all have them to a varying degree. Um, but we'll have one wound usually that is the most prominent one for us that has been affecting us through our lives. And we don't always know that these wounds are impacting us. So um the enoughness wound is when we don't feel enough just for who we are. Um, and you know, maybe something happened in our childhood. It's not always the big traumas, it can be things like being compared to a sibling throughout your your life or through your childhood, or not feeling good enough compared to your friends in school who perhaps might have been getting better marks than you, for example. So it can be little things like that that really do have a lasting impact on how enough we feel. And because it can often be little things, we don't always realize where that feeling comes from, but that feeling can be re-triggered in different situations throughout life. The same with the other wounds, again, yes, of course, it could be big traumas that are behind them, but quite often it can be what we call little sea traumas, which are not really the things you would think of as an adult as being traumatic, but they were impactful as a child. So the love wound is the belief that you're just not loved for who you are, and lots of people think I know I was loved, but I didn't feel loved as a child. So it's it's the knowing and the feeling the deep down you are lovable unconditionally just for who you are. And many, many people don't actually feel that. Um, and how that can show up is fear of abandonment, people pleasing, feeling like you have to change who you are to be loved by other people. We have the worth wound, which is when you feel that you are not worthy or deserving just for who you are, and not worthy and deserving of good things in your life. Um, and that can link with money and success as well. The trust wound is feeling that um you can't trust others, the world, or yourself. And something has happened, usually some form of betrayal or a broken promise at an early point in your life that has caused that trust wound. And the final one is the acceptance wound where you just feel that people won't accept you for the real you, so you change who you are to fit in and to be liked and accepted by

Finding The Root Relationship

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everyone around you. And and that one is often caused by experiences of rejection.

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Natasha, do these experiences always manifest as a child or can they come through somewhere else as an adult?

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Yeah, that's a really good question. What we tend to find is the root cause, so the very first time you experienced it, does manifest in a childhood relationship? Because one of the key differences with heart healing is we heal the relationship that caused the wound, not necessarily the experience. Um so usually the root of the wound when this very first began is in childhood. A lot of our beliefs about ourselves develop in the first seven years of our life. But later experiences through life will compound that wound. So you could have had experiences as an adult or relationships as an adult that have made you feel not enough, for example. Um, but the way we would heal that pattern is to find the origin of the pattern, which is very much often in those much earlier years of our lives.

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And to find those patterns or what what the wounds are, do you go into a meditation state? How do you how does a person even know they've got those wounds?

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So usually they're they're experiencing some symptoms in their life that indicate there is uh a wound that is impacting them. So not feeling good enough, some of the symptoms of that might be confidence issues or not putting themselves forward for promotions or better jobs that they might want, for example, or not going for their dreams. Um maybe they want to start a business. So, for example, you'd hold yourself back because part of you doesn't feel good enough. Usually there's symptoms for each wound that help me as a therapist and the practitioners that I train to identify what wound is going on here that's most impacting this person. Um, and what we would do then is we put the client into the subconscious state, so that's a deeply relaxed meditative state, and then do almost like doing therapy or counseling, but within that state. And the benefit of that is you bypass the conscious mind and go to the deep subconscious and on the heart level, where you can access stored memories that are not available through normal counseling or talk therapy. Um, people often compare it to doing years of therapy in one session or six months of counseling in one session because it's so powerful. And it's in within that stage you you guide the client into the heart and reveal the relationship that caused the wound. So we work with healing, the the relational trauma behind the wound. Because my belief is that it's not the experiences that we have that cause us trauma, it's the person involved that creates the trauma. Um and that's an additional layer of trauma that impacts our relationship with ourselves and our identity and the beliefs we form about ourselves. So sometimes the way I describe that is you might be, and this is a you know awful thing to happen, you could be attacked by somebody in the street, for example, and that would be a very traumatic thing to experience. But if you're attacked by somebody who's meant to love you and keep you safe, who's meant to be an important close relationship with you, there's an added layer of trauma that deeply impacts your identity and your beliefs about yourself, your worth, how lovable you are, that just wouldn't be there in a different sort of being attacked by a stranger, for example. So it's these this complex layer of relational wounding that we work with in heart healing, um, that has just revealed how how powerful that actually is in creating rapid change. So we reveal the relationship in the heart that has caused this heart wound. Then we work with healing, the relationship to free you from the impact that's had on your identity, essentially.

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And is it easy for anybody to get into that state of of deep in your heart or that that next layer? It's it's not it's not hypnosis, am I right? It's another state of awareness, but deeper. Is it is it possible for everybody, or are there people who go, I can't get down there?

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Definitely there have been times where some people will struggle more to get into that deeply relaxed state. But um there's things that we can do in advance to help them feel safer around that. So I teach I teach my practitioners how to make sure that the client is ready and able to go into that state way before we even get to the session. Um, and really it's about safety, helping them feel safe and relaxed. And so there's there's multiple things we do in advance that help them feel safe

Natasha’s Trauma And Social Work Path

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to go into that place with you as the practitioner.

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And I think something to note is that um maybe you can share a little bit more, but Natasha was a social worker, and you you did a whole bunch of other things, and you've just kind of taken that lens and taken it deeper. And I know this is a money podcast, but for me, I am a financial planner, but I do see that there's a human behind it, and that you do have to take it that level deeper to truly help someone change their environment with their money or themselves. So maybe you can explain a little around the um social working and how you found this way of doing things, helping people more.

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Yeah, sure. Thank you. Yes, I've got a large background in psychology and social work. I originally wanted to be a forensic psychologist, ended up going down the psychology route, uh social worker route, but I specifically worked with very complex cases. So people who have drug and alcohol addictions combined with mental health, severe mental health issues. So these are some of the most traumatized people in our society, often um in the homelessness field as well. And I think through that work, I just realized how significant trauma was in these people's experiences and you know, the problems that they were having because of their past. And nobody seemed to really be helping with the true root of the problem. They were willing to chuck medication at it and you know, re trying to rehabilitate them, etc. But nobody was ever solving what caused the person to have those symptoms and feel the need to use drugs or alcohol in the first place. Um and so I learned a lot about behaviour change and the more evidence-based scientific approach to behaviour change. But it was also through my own personal journey of healing my past. I grew up in poverty and chronic childhood abuse, uh, and going through my own healing journey that I was able to find the benefit of also incorporating some of the more spiritual techniques in with scientific techniques to really amplify the transformation that's possible.

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Yeah. And I also think that I find that with people, you know, so often I've sat with clients and done the conscious work, like, okay, you need to have a budget or try not spend your money uh in this area, and you I'd give them everything and I try and give them the most that I can to help them create this life and this world that you know that they're deserving of, but they come from that poverty mindset or something like that, and no nothing I say was ever changing that relationship with any clients until I started incorporating heart healing into it as well. And the results are phenomenal because now they've been able to change

Money Shifts After Heart Healing

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their behavior with financial planning, but also have a plan in place knowing exactly what the next steps are. Do you maybe have any examples of testimonies of um obviously, first off, from a financial perspective, how heart healing has changed people's lives financially, but also some testimonies of people in relationships and other areas of their life.

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Yeah, I'm so pleased that it's helping your your clients more. And I truly believe and have seen that our relationship with money is most affected by our relationship with ourselves. And so because he then changes your identity, changes your relationship with yourself, he then ripples into every relationship you have in your life. Now, money is a big, big one. Money is a big relationship that we have. Um, and I've seen that other places too, where even in my own journey, I would do the money work, but couldn't hold on to money or would sabotage it again and not understand why I was doing that with all the willpower in the world to try and change that. Um and it was only really through healing my heart and healing the hearts of others I saw how significant that was in terms of money transformation. Because when you heal your heart, you feel worthy of having that money, you feel deserving of money, you don't feel the need to sabotage it or yourself again. Um, the different wounds can have different impacts on your relationship with money. Um, there's so many money transformation stories for clients, it's hard to know where to focus. So I mostly personally work with entrepreneurs through my own heart healing work, but my practitioners work with lots of different client bases. Um, I've had people go from earning a few thousand a month in their businesses to making seven figures within 15 months because they have healed their heart and expanded their ability to actually receive the money that they desire, and they're no longer sabotaging that anymore. So that's a very big transformation, of course, over a longer period of time. But sometimes people will have one session and they'll immediately see a change in their ability to receive more money through their businesses, so their sales increase, they feel more confident to raise their prices as well, and so the income will increase because of that. They're no longer overgiving and undercharging. We've had people receive out-of-the-blue bonuses in their careers when they're in employment that they've been expecting that they believe came from the energetic shift of heart healing and feeling more able and worthy of receiving. Um, but as I said, it doesn't just affect your relationship with money, it affects your relationship with everything. Right? So that's that's with people, of course, as well. Romantic relationships can change dramatically because you're no longer projecting your past trauma and and especially your past relational trauma onto the people in your life that you have in relationships with today. Um, and what I find actually the most influential relationships, both with money and with romantic partners, is our relationships with our parents and how those relationships impacted us. The patterns that came from those relationships both affect um our view of money, but also how we receive money as well. And I think as time has gone on, everything, every problem we have in our life is actually a receiving issue. We don't know how to receive, whether that's from others, whether that's money, um, or we don't feel worthy of that receiving for whatever reason, and we sabotage it again. So when we heal our heart, we're able to feel worthy of the love that we receive. We're able to feel worthy of more money. We're able to actually hold on to that money and that love without sabotaging it or without pushing it away again. Um, a lot of people have the belief that you can't have love and money. And so sometimes you'll find you'll sabotage one in in if you get an influence of another. So they might feel like the romantic relationships go really well, but they can't have um the financial success or career they want, or vice versa. Amazing.

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So you say you can have both.

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Absolutely. That is one of the key goals of this that you can receive both without sabotaging, one or the other. Yeah.

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A hundred percent. So I mean, in in the work that we're doing as financial planning at growth financial planning is uh very holistic. So we look at your wheel of life and all those areas of your life. Like, I don't want to just help you with your money, I want to make sure that you are earning that money, but you're also spending time with your family, looking after your health, and that's our approach in the financial planning that we're doing. Um, I think that's a great episode on explaining

Can You Have Love And Money

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what heart healing is. Maybe in our second one we can dive a little bit deeper and see how it's relating to finances and yourself, because you like you say, your relationship with yourself is an effect on your money. So thank you, Natasha.

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Natasha, thank you so much. Really enlightening. Thank you.

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You're welcome. Thank you for having me.

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