487: Can Mini Golf Actually Work at a Club?

Mini golf is not just windmills, clown heads, and beach town nostalgia.

In this episode, Denny talks with Katie and Sal Conaboy of Harris Golf about how modern mini golf can become a real amenity for clubs, resorts, and golf properties. They get into how premium custom courses can create more family engagement, give clubs fresh programming ideas, and turn underused space into something fun, beautiful, and genuinely useful.

They also talk about why clubs need to get more creative, how mini golf can work for camps, family nights, tournaments, and events, and why putting style courses are becoming part of the conversation too. Plus, Katie and Sal share what stood out from the PGA Show and what they are seeing as golf properties continue to evolve.

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Denny Corby 2.0 0:00

Welcome to the Private Club Radio Show, the show where you get the scoop on life inside private golf and country clubs. I'm your host, Denny Corby, and each episode is a real conversation with club leaders, the pros, the people and partners who help clubs thrive. We talk leadership, culture, food and beverage, member experiences, member engagement, marketing, governance, and so much more. If you want practical ideas, better teams and a club experience, members actually feel and talk about. You are in the right place now. Welcome to the show.

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In this episode, I am talking with friends of mine from high school. Something I never thought I would be saying here on the show. I think I'm just getting old and I ate this. See, in this episode we are talking about mini golf. Yes, miniature golf, but not in the sense that you are thinking. So let me take this back. I. We are chatting with Sal and Katie Convoy. They are the president and CEO of Harris Mini Golf It's a family business and they are from my town. I graduated high school with them. They are uh, they were high school sweethearts. They are now married and have kids and took over. The family business and they make really amazing miniature golf courses. They design and help and create and build the most amazing mini golf courses all over the world. And I'm bringing them on because there are clubs, private golf, and country clubs who are seeing a little bit of how mini golf can be a really cool creative asset and amenity for their club. And that's what I love about having this show and this platform is sometimes the things that I want to bring on and talk about. Sometimes it might not relate a thousand percent or be a hundred percent on point, but at least gets creative juices flowing. It gets ideas going. It just helps open up the brain and just get the synapsis moving. You just never know where creativity goes and where ideas come from and where something sparks from, even though it's not a hundred percent maybe for what you need, but just the ideas create the creativity and the who, what, where, when, why behind it can spark so much. So this is really how clubs are getting more creative with how they use their property and their spaces and how, you know, a lot of people don't even realize what mini golf is in theirs. Uh, a lot of pushback because there is some of that old mental imagery of cheesy or corny courses, but it doesn't have to be that way, and that's not where golf and mini golf is going. cause mini golf and golf can be premium, it can be attractive, it could be custom, it could be low key, and it could be designed to fit the aesthetics of wherever it needs to be. And what's really great about mini golf and things of this nature and clubs and what we do is it's generational fun. They're not just designed for kids. This is generational fun. It's about getting people out, moving and creating memories. So I was just super thrilled to chat with my friends to bring them on, And I just love what they're doing. I think mini golf is so much fun. It is so much fun. And I'm surprised some clubs don't. Take advantage of and do more of a more custom made, cool little mini golf course at their clubs.'cause some clubs have some really cool spaces and things. And this really could be, I think, something neat for clubs to use as an amenity and as an upsell. Now before some of you listen and go, oh, this would never be for me, this would never be for my club. That's not what this episode or this point is about. It's about getting creative. It's about opening up your eyes to seeing what's available, what's out there, what can be done, what could be done. And if at a bare minimum, it'd be neat just for as, as a creative exercise for you just to go, how can. Mini golf fit here, right? I think sometimes when we think of an idea or we see an idea or we hear an idea or someone mentions an idea, the first thing we do is go, that will never work. I think sometimes, and especially in today's day and age, we should think about how it can work, not because it has to, but just as a creative exercise, right? Just to say, Hey, if my board came to me and said, Hey, in the next two years we want a mini golf course. How would we do that here? I think it'd be a cool, creative endeavor. Like what would you do to make it the most epic mini golf course a private club has ever had? How can you use your aesthetics, your terrain, your design, where you're at, right? How can you make it really cool and custom to your club? That's what this is about, and they're friends of mine, and I love helping out my friends and talking with my friends. Not often I get to bring, I don't think I've ever brought a friend from high school onto my show. they also did an episode on the Economics of Everyday Things, which is a Freakonomics podcast. It was episode one 15, miniature Golf, the Economics of Everyday Things. If you wanna dig down, uh, and learn more about the economics of mini golf, which it's just a really cool, fascinating episode, and it's like only 20 minutes, highly recommend it. And before we get to the show. If you or your club is looking for one of the most fun member event nights, you can have head on over to denny corby.com. There's excitement, there's mystery. Also, there's magic, mind dreaming and comedy. A ton of laughs, gasps, and holy craps. One of the most fun member event nights you can have guaranteed. If you wanna learn more, head on over to denny corby.com. Fill out the form, reach out. Let's talk about your club and your fun events. About that though, let's get to the show. Private Club Radio listeners, that's welcome. Katie and Sal Conna boy from Harris Mini Golf.

Denny Corby 5:50

it is just, it is crazy how coming from high school, we both ended up oddly in like the golf space.

Katie Conaboy 5:59

That is funny.

Denny Corby 6:00

So weird. Like, it is so weird to me. I was cracking up to myself, like laughing, for the people who don't know, can you give us a quick overview of Harris Golf and kinda what got you guys to here?'cause I know it was your family business, Katie, which is even cooler. Uh,'cause you know, family business stuff to me is al always amazing. But how did you guys get to where you're at here?

Katie Conaboy 6:18

Yeah, so Harris, miniature golf as the company was founded in 1958. So we've been around for almost 70 years. My family got involved, my dad purchased the company in 1988, and so all growing up, you know, every vacation we were visiting miniature golf courses and so I've always been involved a little bit in that way, but Sal and I officially became involved with Harris and, you know, took over the company in 2023.

Denny Corby 6:45

That's awesome. What, what, what, what got that going? Like what, what was that change?

Katie Conaboy 6:49

Yeah, my, my dad was ready to retire and Sal and I have always been interested. We've had many conversations over the years with my dad about being involved in Harris and in the company, and we both had different careers at the time, but I think his kind of moving towards retirement got his brain thinking and he. Agreed that it would be a good move for Al and I. Something we were really passionate about being business owners.

Sal Conaboy 7:17

Right.

Katie Conaboy 7:17

And it worked out.

Sal Conaboy 7:18

Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. The company was doing so well and the industry is doing so well. Um, and it, it was just such a great fit for us. It made a lot of sense. So we made the jump from our careers to this end. It's been great ever since.

Denny Corby 7:31

Yeah. Was there, has there, has there been anything that has surprised you about where this business has taken you?

Sal Conaboy 7:38

Um, it every day there's surprises every day, you know? Yeah. It's, it's, it's such an interesting industry, you know? Um, we build for, we build for all different types of people, all different types of places. Um, we build at high end resorts to, um, mom and pop campgrounds, to, um, really nice golf courses, traditional golf courses. So, yeah. It's amazing what we get to do. I mean, this morning we were talking about putting a giant rhino head on top of a waterfall, um, for, for a customer. And then we're talking about, you know, um, really nice putting courses, um, for high end golf resorts. So it's, it runs the gamut. Yeah,

Denny Corby 8:21

For someone just hearing about you and your world for the first time, how do you describe what you do without? Them instantly picturing like a windmill and a little sad clown. Because I think like sometimes when people think of like mini golf and things, like, that's like what, what comes to mind? So how do you describe what you guys do to people, uh, when you, when you first meet'em?

Sal Conaboy 8:41

Yeah, so we, um, obviously we get that a lot. Um, and then we also get the reaction, oh, I didn't know that there's actually people that did that, you know, so, um, we. We build premium style mentor golf courses. We, we, uh, our courses are, um, not the traditional putt putt or, uh, windmill courses or, you know, straight shots, um, one par holes. You know, we, we like to build premium concrete courses that are waterfall, garden style, um, mini golf courses that people are gonna wanna come back and play again and again. So, um, yeah, so we do get that question a lot and it is interesting and, um, it's fun to think about that. And every once in a while we get a customer that wants a traditional miniature golf course and, uh, yeah, we kinda, you know, if they're doing this as a business, we kind of gear them towards what we do and it, it makes a lot more sense.

Katie Conaboy 9:40

So what we really specialize in is creating the best playing miniature golf holes. That appeals to the widest market. So what we really focus on is making sure that a young child is going to have just as much fun as their grandparents and everybody in between, golfers, non-golfers. We want everyone to have the same amazing experience when they play every single hole on our courses.

Denny Corby 10:04

Generational fun.

Katie Conaboy 10:06

Exactly.

Sal Conaboy 10:07

That's right.

Denny Corby 10:08

And, and, and, and I, the way my, my brain goes, I want to take the, take, take it back a little bit. What did you mean by concrete courses? Is there like a different type of course. Is that, is like, is that like a good quality? Can you, can you describe what a concrete course is and maybe what like a different non concrete courses?

Sal Conaboy 10:26

Sure. So there's, there's, uh, a wide variety of different courses you could get. So you could get wooden fiberglass, um. You know, foam courses. Um, but what we build is concrete onsite courses, you know, so we're, we're pouring everything on site. We're forming it up on site. Um, those other types of courses are typically modulars, so they'll, they're built in a factory and then they're shipped to the customer. Uh, but we do everything on site and it's all custom. Um, anything that we do is all done by hand on site.

Katie Conaboy 11:00

And because we build with concrete opposed to wood or another material, we have a lot more flexibility with the creativity of our holes, the shapes that we can use, the mounding and things like that to really, you know, create exciting golf holes.

Denny Corby 11:14

Yeah. And I'm sure there's probably a little bit more costly, a little bit more, takes more time and things, but I'm sure the end result is clearly night and day.

Sal Conaboy 11:23

Exactly, yeah. And, and the maintenance and the longevity of the course is night and day.

Denny Corby 11:28

Yep. Yep. And, and I'm sure all, uh, depending on where the course is at too, that's like concrete's probably the most stable thing to use.

Sal Conaboy 11:38

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So it's, it's, yeah. It's gonna hold up for decades.

Denny Corby 11:43

Yeah. Yeah. And, and you guys were just down the PGA show too. I know. I was trying to send, send some friends over. Uh, I know you, you had some people down there repping Harris Golf. Uh, what, what was that show like for you? Because I know you guys have done it a little bit in the past and now you're coming back into it. What was it like, you know, you know, so the PGA show was over, what was, what, what stood out? What was exciting?

Sal Conaboy 12:04

Yeah. It, it's great to be back at the show. This is our third year back. Mm-hmm. Um, and. The, the overall response that we're getting from customers is, I'm so glad you're here. You know, I'm so glad you're here. I really wanted to talk to you. Um, so it's, it's really nice to be back. We're getting some really good leads. Um, I think golf in general is just, it's just on an upswing, no pun intended, the last few years, you know, so, um, and, and we're going along for the ride, you know, and yeah. Um, and we do that, you know. When driving ranges start to do really well, they start calling us to put in another amenity. When golf courses start to do well, they start to call us. Um, mm. You know, it kind of, but I think PGA in general is doing such a good job of getting people excited about the game of golf and, um, at all levels, you know?

Denny Corby 12:59

Yeah.

Sal Conaboy 12:59

Um, so I think that's, that's helping us within the golf industry.

Denny Corby 13:06

Yeah. Do you, do you feel like golf and clubs and properties are getting more creative in, in that sort of space? And that's where you kind of come in also?

Sal Conaboy 13:15

Yeah, and I, I, I think they have to, right? I think, um, not only to, um, create more revenue, but to, um, bring in more members. To retain members, um, I think it's important for clubs to get creative in what they're offering. Um, so I think that's where we come into play. You know, we create something that's, um, available for the whole family, not just the golfer, the family. Yeah.

Denny Corby 13:44

Yeah. And now, because so many clubs and places are becoming that. Like resort style. People want that one stop shop. They can bring their, that generational fun. They can bring, Hey, bring the kids over, bring the friends, bring the outta town family and just make it a fun place. So having something like that is, is definitely a, a great amenity to have. Um, have you seen any, um. Smart ways, some of the properties and places that you're working with. Have you seen any cool or maybe unique ways that they're using the spaces that maybe clubs can learn from that they aren't already doing?

Sal Conaboy 14:18

Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, it's there, there's a lot of ways they could tie it into kids camps, you know, they could tie it into, um, events, you know, offered at their, um. Any event that they're having as addition

Denny Corby 14:33

like that? Yeah.

Sal Conaboy 14:34

Um,

Denny Corby 14:34

yeah.

Sal Conaboy 14:35

You know, they could, um, they could use it for family nights. Um, there it is, just, it's just such a white, they could have tournaments, you know, mini golf tournaments and it could be, you know, dad usually goes off to play at tournaments in the club. But this could be a chance for dad to bring, um, you know, his 6-year-old or 7-year-old, 8-year-old. With them to play a, uh, mini golf tournament or a, a putting tournament at the club.

Denny Corby 15:00

Yeah.

Sal Conaboy 15:01

You know, so they're just, there's, the opportunities are, are really endless, I think to integrate it within, within the club.

Denny Corby 15:08

Yeah. This is a side quest question,'cause I'm on some brand new meds. Do, do you, when you're designing the courses and you're working with people and designing the courses, do you. Uh, I would, I, I would maybe assume, do you like your architects, your designers? Are they also kind of like, is there, uh, how do I phrase it? Like, is the engineering there to where you go, Hey, if the ball is hit here, like, do you map out like how the ball is supposed to go and all

Sal Conaboy 15:38

that? Yeah, I would say it's, it's more, it's more physics than, uh, engineer. You know what I mean? I mean. We consider, uh,

Denny Corby 15:45

yeah, actually no, I don't because I wasn't smart enough for physics in high school. Me either. So, full transparency. No,

Sal Conaboy 15:53

but you know, we're, yeah, we're absolutely considering that type of stuff. You know, how is the ball gonna roll on this surface? Or, you know, if we put this type of material down or, or this sort of bank shot. Um, but we're always thinking about contours, undulations, um, breaks in the green, you know, so it's, we think like. Traditional golf course builders, you know, how they're thinking when they're building their courses. Mm-hmm. Um, you know, even our fairways and our, um, penalty areas. You know, we think it's miniature golf, but we're thinking about all those things.

Denny Corby 16:28

Yeah.

Katie Conaboy 16:29

And also making sure there's multiple ways to play each hole.

Sal Conaboy 16:32

Yep. Right.

Katie Conaboy 16:32

For, and that plays into the generational fund, but also when people come back, they can try the challenge another way. If you're gonna play it off the bank this time, or try to shoot around the planter. You know, and just all the different challenges in that way.

16:46

Yeah,

Sal Conaboy 16:47

yeah, yeah. The really fun thing about the, the courses that we build, um, the miniature golf courses that we build is Dad could line up and, and line up his putt perfectly and, and putt his strategic putt and, you know, end up four feet from the hole. And, uh, son or daughter could line up. Whack it and accidentally hit a hole in one, you know? So then they go home and they tell everyone they beat that and, you know, and it's so exciting. And that's, that's the fun, you know, that's what it's all about. Yeah.

Denny Corby 17:19

Yeah. Are there, and for how many. Courses you guys build, what are some mistakes maybe you see people make as they're planning a project like this? Like do sometimes people think too small, too big, too cheesy, too hidden, too random? Like what? Like what do you see when people are coming into do this?

Katie Conaboy 17:41

I think it's just understanding your demographic and your area. So when we're building at a resort area. At the beach, that is when having bigger features, maybe theming is super important versus, you know, when we build out a campground, going more basic is what people expect. So I think playing into and really understanding who's coming to your course, how you need to draw people in. Mm-hmm. When we're considering all the design features is really what's most important. And then of course, having the right people on board. Um. You know, of course we think us the experts in designing, but also having your other contractors that are gonna be involved in the course, um, to really be experts in their fields as well. Do you make sense?

Denny Corby 18:28

Yeah. How long does a, like, like what's a, what's a typical time like a timeline look like from. And I don't wanna say initial contact, but like once, like the ball's rolling, no pun intended. What? Uh, this would be, the whole show is just like all just I love that one. The worst golf puns.

Sal Conaboy 18:45

That's my favorite one to send to customers. What could we do to get the ball rolling?

Denny Corby 18:52

We didn't, we, we didn't come up short, did we? No. Oh, you should, you should have a horrible email. And the less they respond, the worse they get. Um, uh, so what does, like the normal like timeline scope look, and I'm sure it's all relative depending on the who, what, where, when, whys. But is there like an average timeframe of like how long a course takes to complete?

Sal Conaboy 19:15

Yeah, it probably takes from initial context, so starting the design, right? So reaching out to us and telling us you wanna start our design and getting us a, a survey of your site, it probably takes about a year. Not, that's not the construction, that's not the design. The design will, will take us anywhere from three to four weeks to design, um, depending on our availability. Um, yeah. But then once you go from there, once you decide, okay, we're gonna build it, then you have to start getting on your other contractors or, or, um, getting approvals, getting financing, doing all these things. Um, permits that goes into typical construction. You know, at the end of the day, this is construction. It's fun, it's miniature golf, it's exciting, but it is construction, so permitting. Um, so that takes, that takes the bulk of the time. And then from the time when we get on site, it takes about four to six weeks, um, for us to build the course. Um, not bad. And then that's it. And then you're ready to go.

Denny Corby 20:12

That's not bad at all.

Sal Conaboy 20:13

No, no.

Denny Corby 20:16

That's not bad.

Sal Conaboy 20:16

No, we have a pretty good, a pretty good system down of, uh, pre-construction, construction management, um, and then obviously construction. We've kind of fine tuned everything over the 65 plus years of doing this, uh, to be as efficient as possible. So we get there. The ground running,

Denny Corby 20:37

how long does a course last? I mean, I would assume years. Years. Years. I mean, yeah, I just answered my, my own question a little bit, but like, so do you, do you have people who come back and go, Hey, like, do you do refreshes? Like, do you do stuff like that? People are like, Hey, you know, we've, we've had this course, you know, 10 years. Can we, you know, maybe move some holes or like, I don't know if that's like a, probably a big thing to do, but like, how do, like, are, do people, can they like refresh their space?

Katie Conaboy 21:06

They certainly can. So. In terms of how long they last, the concrete portion of it, the bulk of it is going to last, like south said, decades. So we have one close by here that was built, I think we're 25 years at this point. Over the years they've needed to replace carpet. And then recently they did ask to add some of the new rock work that our crews are, you know, have been adding to newer horses. So there's things like that. Carpet is really the biggest maintenance that is done. Every five to seven years to be replaced, but the bulk of the water features and the concrete that really lasts

Sal Conaboy 21:43

forever.

Katie Conaboy 21:43

Yeah.

Sal Conaboy 21:44

Forever. As long as you maintain it, you know, and it's, it's properly built and it's built on a solid base. You know, that's, that's, a lot of that goes into it is the, the sub base that you're building on and the compaction and the drainage. Um, but as long as you build it properly, it should really last forever. You know? And, and like Katie said, the maintenance of. Replacing the carpet really depends on the traffic. Um, but it is designed and, um, to last about seven, five to seven years and, and then be replaced. And that

Denny Corby 22:16

makes a difference. Yeah. Yeah. How important when you're, when, when these spaces are being built and designed, how important is where the space is at, like in terms of visibility? Um, like obviously you probably want people to be able to hear it and see it and like feel it. So obviously having it more predominantly out, out in the open.

Katie Conaboy 22:41

Absolutely. The more visibility, the more traffic you're going to have. So if somebody is driving by on a busy road and they see a packed golf course with lots of families having fun, they're immediately going to want to go there. And it's also at the top of their mind if it's somewhere they're passing daily. So Absolutely. The more visibility

Sal Conaboy 23:01

and the nice,

Katie Conaboy 23:01

the better.

Sal Conaboy 23:02

Nice. Yeah. And the nice thing about our courses is they're, they're beautiful, they're beautifully landscaped. Um, they're natural, naturally colored, you know, so it's, it's going to fit in really nicely to, for example, a golf club, you know, you know, it's just, it looks really nice, so. Mm-hmm. Eye appeal. Yeah, it's really nice. Curb, curb appeal and eye appeal.

Denny Corby 23:25

so when it comes to the, the, the turf and like the maintenance, what is the maintenance look like? So like, you know, from like a yearly perspective, like are they fairly low maintenance, high maintenance, and I, and I'm sure it all depends on. What you have if, how many moving parts and you know, the how many wheels and you know, whatever if, if, if you have them. But, um, like what's like the maintenance, like besides just the, just the turf.

Katie Conaboy 23:50

The daily maintenance really is minimal. The turf, we usually recommend that whether you vacuum or blow off with a leaf blower daily. So this way there's no leaves or anything on the putting green. And I mean, that's really it. Otherwise, landscaping, maintenance, and then yearly or sometimes twice a year, if you have water systems, those may need to be cleaned out. Um, yep. You know, we recommend bleaching or dyeing the systems to kind of keep any of that algae at bay, but they, fortunately as a daily, you know, the daily maintenance is really minimal.

Denny Corby 24:22

Wait, sorry. People vacuum their, their, their turf.

Katie Conaboy 24:26

You can, yes.

Sal Conaboy 24:27

Yeah.

Katie Conaboy 24:27

Yep.

Sal Conaboy 24:28

Yeah, definitely.

Denny Corby 24:30

now with that, what's the, what's the staffing like then?

Sal Conaboy 24:34

No. For a mini golf course, it's very minimal. You know, you're gonna need, if it's a standalone course, you know, and you're, and you're handing out putters, you're gonna need one or two staff, you know, one to deal with the customer. Oh yeah, you're right. One, to keep an eye on the course. Yeah. During busy times. Um, if it's something that's located next to your. Um, your clubhouse, whether it's a traditional golf course, a FEC, a campground, um, next to your regular clubhouse, then you can operate right outta there, you know? Yeah. So it may, depending on your situation, may not require any additional staff, if you already have maintenance crews, if you already have ground crews. Um, so it, it could be operated very efficiently.

Denny Corby 25:22

Yeah. What do you think clubs underestimate about this whole category?

Sal Conaboy 25:28

That's a really good question. Um, I, I think that there's, there's a little bit of a stigma, right? Thinking about traditional miniature golf. So when you're, um, when you're thinking about adding it to your club or to your, um, your golf facility, thinking about adding, that just seems a little bit cheesy. Um, but when you look at what we do, the premium quality putting style of courses that we build, um, I think that's the biggest, biggest factor that, that some clubs, uh, traditionally have trouble getting over. But, um, in terms of like the, the value that it brings, um, it's tremendous. Yeah, I, I think that, uh. If you think outside the box a little bit and think about the value that this could bring to your club and the different things that you could do. I mean, you could have cocktail hours on, on the, on the greens, you know, um, you could

Denny Corby 26:31

sip and putts,

Sal Conaboy 26:32

sip and puts. I love that. Um, you know, birthday parties for the kids in the, in the, uh,

Denny Corby 26:38

yeah,

Sal Conaboy 26:39

the kids, the member's kids. Um,

Denny Corby 26:41

yeah,

Sal Conaboy 26:42

it, it just, and like building, putting fundamentals. You know, and for the next generation of golfers, you know, so I, I could go on and on about, um,

Denny Corby 26:52

yeah,

Sal Conaboy 26:53

what the, the possibilities you could, you could do within your golf club.

Denny Corby 26:58

Well, and I think sometimes when it's like, you know, you think of this and mini golf, they just automatically assume like the big, the, the Gargan shoe and just over the top things where it doesn't have to be that I, I'm assuming, right. You can make things. Classy tasteful. You can, you know, if they have a cool area, you know, some clubs are, you know, tucked away in the woods and they have the, you could probably do some cool stuff, you know, going not between trees, but like you can do really neat stuff that's customized to the club and the space and all that, that doesn't need. Pinwheels and waterfalls and rhinos, you know? Right. Some, for some people and some things that, it's amazing, but for a club, you know, some clubs, they might just say, Hey, how can we make this a really cool, almost like hidden, maybe like low key thing that's like a, not like a hidden, you know, mini course, but it's like, oh, hey, there's like a, you know, off to the side we have this like neat like thing. Um,

Katie Conaboy 27:45

yeah. Yes. Exactly. That's really our favorite part is finding the uniqueness, finding what the customer or the company is looking for to make. To make miniature golf fit into what they already have existing. Um, so exactly like you said, making it fit into the background to where it adds to the aesthetic and the offerings and amenities. Um, yeah.

Sal Conaboy 28:07

Yeah. And such a great, it's a great anchor business, miniature golf, adding your miniature golf to your, to your already existing facility, and it's also a really good feeder business. You know, so whether you're a food and beverage or um, an FEC or a campground, it's a great feeder business. So you're gonna bring in additional, uh, additional people that are miniature golf people, you know, they wanna play miniature golf, and then all of a sudden they'll say, what else? What else do you have to offer? You know? So, and to your point about, you know, fitting it anywhere, that's su that's a such a really good point. You know, uh, a lot of, um, clubs. Have additional space that they just, what are they gonna do with it? You know, um, how could it bring value to their, to what they're offering, you know? So we, we could work with any landscape, we could work with any topography, with any size. I, I say any size, um, most sizes, you know, we could build 9, 18, 36 hole courses. So, um, I think that's a really good point and a really, really good way to look at it.

Denny Corby 29:18

Yeah. What do you, what do you say to the club that might be on the fence or they hear mini golf and think, not at my place, not at my club. You know, what, what would you say to them?

Sal Conaboy 29:30

I'd say let us do design. Let us do design for you and let us show you what we could bring to your facility. We offer, Complementary designs as long as we have, uh, Topo topographic survey of, of the area. Um, let us, let us show you what we could bring to the table.

Denny Corby 29:50

That's a, that's a killer offer. That's a great offer actually. Wow. Uh. I, I was, I was, I, I was gonna say like, you know what, what kind of helps people move from like, oh, like that's a cute idea to like, wait, this can actually be like, really good. And I think that just, that just answered it perfectly. Uh, if people want to, if a club wants to learn more and reach out, how can they, how can they find you guys?

Katie Conaboy 30:12

Our website is harris mini golf.com. We have a ton of information on our website about the process, about the different types of courses that we offer, and then always giving us a call. We always answer the phone within three rings. Someone's always available. Um, and our, our team here is a wealth of information.

Denny Corby 30:33

I love it. Love it. Thank you guys so much for coming on. Thanks for being a family business. Thanks for being friends. Thanks for, you know, being in the same community. I, I love this and, uh, love what you guys are doing. Keep on, uh, crushing it. Thanks for being here.

Katie Conaboy 30:45

Yeah. Thank you so much, Denny. This was great.

Sal Conaboy 30:47

Yeah. Thank you for doing this. We appreciate it.

30:50

Hope you all enjoyed that. If you want to learn a little bit more about my friends Katie and Sal, head on over to Harris, H-A-R-R-I-S mini golf.com. If you're interested, you can even reach out. They are amazing, amazing people. They have a really cool team, a really cool process, and as you heard, if you have the space, they will do a complimentary mockup design. This episode. Until next time, I'm your host, Denny Corby Catchall on the flippity flip.