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The Voyage Cast: Real Talk on Marriage, Mental Health, & Emotional Growth
Why Your Spouse Isn’t Hearing You (Even When You’re Saying the Right Words)
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Why does your spouse listen to everyone else — friends, coworkers, even podcasts — but not you?
If you’ve ever felt unheard, dismissed, or misunderstood in your marriage, this episode breaks down what’s really happening beneath the surface.
In this conversation, Ed unpacks the neuroscience of communication in marriage — including how tone, stress, and something called emotional prosody shape how your words are interpreted before your spouse even consciously understands them. You’ll learn why miscommunication isn’t usually about stubbornness or disrespect, but about how two nervous systems process the same sound differently.
We cover:
- Why your spouse may not actually be hearing what you think you’re saying
- The difference between empathy and projection
- How stress changes communication patterns in men and women
- Why assuming you “already know” kills intimacy
- Practical ways to repair communication in marriage
If you’re tired of repeating yourself and still feeling unheard, this episode will help you stop fighting the person — and start understanding the process.
This is for couples who want real growth, not surface-level advice.
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Ed (00:00)
Hey, this is Eddie with the VoyageCast and today we're going to get into something that almost every married couple wrestles with at some point in their relationship or any relationship will struggle with this. the topic is, is why aren't they not your spouse, your partner, whoever it is, why are they not hearing what you're saying? Not just disagreeing with you and not just being stubborn, but genuinely not hearing you the way you think they should hear you.
And if you've ever thought, why does my spouse listen to everyone else, friends, coworkers, or even podcasts, but not me? Well, this episode is for you.
Now, a lot of clients have asked me over the years, which is why I'm doing this episode, how is it that you can say ⁓ the exact same thing that I'm saying to my spouse and they hear me and not them? So I'm sitting there with a couple, they're talking, not hearing each other. I translate, I say basically the same stuff, maybe in little bit different way, but they hear it from me. And they get so frustrated over this.
But let me let me be really clear here. I am not like a spouse whisperer. OK. I am also not the spouse. So that helps. I'm not carrying the history that you guys might share together or histories that you have from childhood or whatever it is. I'm not carrying any kind of resentment from hurts that you guys have caused between the two of you. And I'm not carrying the years of half healed arguments or unmet expectations. I am not emotionally activated in the moment.
I'm standing outside of the crossfire. And that distance really does change everything. Because here's something that most couples never get or think about or notice. Communication isn't just about words.
It's about how sound becomes meaning inside and throughout the nervous system. What looks like emotional overreactivity, insensitivity, or refusal to listen is often something far more human ⁓ than what you realize when you're sitting with them. It's far more relatable as long as you're paying attention. Because you're not just arguing about content.
You're not arguing about a thing, an idea or a topic. And if you work with me, you've heard this from me. What you're arguing about is how the signal is landing. OK, so let's challenge a few basic assumptions so we can really get some deeper understanding here. OK, we tend to think communication works basically like this. I say some words, you hear some words, you understand those words.
If you don't respond the way I expect, something must be wrong with you. It might be, but we don't really know yet. Now that might sound logical, but it ignores a whole host of other things like biology. You see, sound does not travel directly from the ear to sudden understanding. It passes through our nervous system first.
And the nervous system asks one question before anything else. Well, at least this is what I see in my office. And I think the research supports this as well. The nervous system is evaluating for safety. Is this safe? Is that person safe? Neuroscientific research on language processing shows that emotional tone is evaluated extremely
extremely rapidly. Sometimes before the semantic meaning of words is fully processed. Researchers Shermer and Kotz studying emotional prosody found that tone can influence how the brain interprets language at a very early stages of processing. Now let me translate that a little bit, okay? You see your nervous system reacts before your intellect finishes the sentence.
You hear a sound and suddenly you understand it. So when someone says, you're not listening, what they often mean is my nervous system felt dismissed. That's quite a different thing. Now let's define something really clearly here. Okay. There's a term called psychoacoustics. We want to get some of the science out so we can understand more deeply what it is we're dealing with when we're talking to another person.
Now, psychosacoustics is the study of how the brain interprets sound. Not just how the ear detects it, but how it interprets it. And another term that matters here is emotional prosody, which we just talked about a little bit. Emotional prosody refers to the emotional tone embedded in the speech separate from the literal meaning of the actual words. Okay, it's why sarcasm works.
It's why you can say, I'm fine. And it can mean five different things like I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. Research constantly shows that prosody alters how language is processed in the brain. Tone isn't like a decoration layered into words. It actually shapes how the words are decoded by your brain.
This isn't like a self-help theory. It's actually a physiological experience happening in your body. You see, meaning is shaped before it is consciously interpreted. Now imagine two nervous systems shaped by two different histories listening to the same sentence. They may not be decoding the same signals.
Now let's address something that's going to feel probably a little bit controversial. Okay. Are there differences between how men and women hear and process sound? Well, there are. And there are small average differences between the sexes in audio processing. Research published in journals like Hearing Research and the Journal of American Academy of Audiology
has identified subtle differences in pitch discrimination and subcortical auditory processing between men and women. Other research in frontiers in psychology suggests small differences in auditory discrimination tasks. Now let's slow down a little bit, okay? These are statistical tendencies, not personality verdicts. This does not mean ⁓ women are more emotional. It does not mean men are emotionally incapable.
it does not mean every couple fits a pattern. It means the brain may weight different parts of the same signal. And it also means that on average, women may show slightly greater sensitivity to pitch variation and vocal nuance. Whereas on average, men may weigh verbal content more heavily, especially under stress. Now let's make this really
Practical one partner says I'm fine The words are neutral, but the tone is tight Pacing is clipped the volume is low One nervous system hears the content the other hears emotional withdrawal Now I'm gonna give you a chance you can guess which one's hearing emotional withdrawal and which one's just hearing content and yes, you are stereotyping why because it's
Commonly true that these are differences between the sexes You see both believe they heard accurately Conflict begins when each assumes the other heard the same thing Now let's add some stress to this because stress changes everything under stress the brain goes simple everything changes attention narrows cognitive flexibility decreases
threat detection goes up. There's a tiger in the room suddenly. You've probably heard me say that. When the stress response activates, threat detection increases. When the stress response activates, the brain prioritizes efficiency over nuance. Subtle relational cues can either become amplified or filtered out entirely, depending on how that nervous system has adapted.
Many men on average under stress narrow toward problem solving. Many women on average remain attuned to relational cues. Again, tendencies are not rules, but they are important and they're not nothing. and repeated daily, these differences can feel like character defects.
You never listen to me. You're too sensitive. I feel like I'm walking on eggshells. I shut down because it's never enough. I'm sure many of you have either said or heard these things from your partner. But let's apply some basic logic while we're not currently emotionally hijacked. If partner A intends connection and partner B experiences threat, then conflict does not prove bad behavior. It proves
misattunement. And misattunement is a process problem. Now, let's talk about something I hear constantly in therapy also. One spouse might say something like, I know what you really mean. You don't even understand yourself. There's versions of that that I've heard that might feel like the person's being perceptive, like they've figured out what's going on in the other person's brain. But let's examine the logic here.
Okay, you observe behavior, you interpret it through whose emotional filter your own. You assume your interpretations actually reflect the other person's internal state.
Now that leap is not empathy. Please understand. It's projection. You're projecting what you think onto that person and believing it. Empathy says, help me understand what's happening inside of you. Projection says, I already know. When certainty replaces curiosity, intimacy declines.
communication shifts from dialogue to debate. And this is why therapists often seem to translate better. You see, when clients say, when you say it, they understand. Well, here's what's actually happening. Therapists are managing the signals. We're slowing things down. I coach a lot of my clients on this slow down. We lower our vocal intensity so we're not matching what's going on in the room.
We reduce threat cues. We separate content from emotional charge. We differentiate those things. And we are not emotionally activated inside the marital history. The couple obviously is the one that's emotionally activated. If the delivery system here is compromised, you content doesn't matter anymore. Sound is the vehicle of meaning.
If the vehicle is shaking, the message won't land. So as therapists, we modulate because we're supposed to. We manage the room and our own emotions, technical phrasing. manage our own counter-transference so that we're not getting hijacked and thrown into your emotional patterns and systems.
Sound matters. It's something I use all the time in my practice. It's something I coach my clients on all the time. It matters. So how do you fix, broadly speaking, how do you fix communication in marriage? Well, it's certainly not by winning arguments. If you're aiming to win, you will lose. It's not by becoming a wordsmith or more articulate.
It is, learning to translate. Instead of saying, you're not listening, try, can you tell me what you heard me say? Instead of, you're overreacting, as you always do. Try, how did that sound to you? Or help me understand, or what's happening here? I'm lost. I'm confused. Can we try this again? I think I might be overreacting. These questions, these comments, these
ways of responding, these things help us force clarification. And clarification reduces perceived threat. Now we have to, as I said yesterday to a couple, we have to draw a line around the relationship, not through it. We have to recognize that they're not the enemy. And a good way to help the person recognize that we're not the enemy is to regulate yourself.
Because reducing threats allows the reasoning part of the brain to reengage. Understanding becomes possible again. It's not dramatic here. It's just a disciplined way of changing and being and behaving. So that you can create the conditions that are conducive for healthy relationships.
Now, I don't want you to sit here and think that you're crazy and your spouse isn't necessarily careless either. Two nervous systems can interpret the same sentence differently and both can feel entirely justified in the way they understood it or heard it. You see, when couples realize that something shifts, they actually can stop fighting each other. They start adjusting signals. And that is where repair becomes
How is We slow it way down.
Now that's all I got for you today, but if this conversation resonated, if this topic resonated with you today, share it with your spouse. I know it's risky, but share it anyways. Take the risk. Without any risk, there is no reward, right? Start learning to have conversations differently with each other. And if you want to go deeper into these kinds of conversations and not deal with quick fixes that usually don't work, right?
Uh, but you want to deal with frameworks that actually can rebuild connection. out voyages counseling. If you're in Colorado, we have a number of therapists from a variety, from a variety of range of locations. got, we got central park. We've got centennial. We've got, uh, uh, loan tree now for our neurofeedback center. We've got Castle Rock. We've got Colorado Springs. We've got so many locations here. We can do telehealth anywhere in Colorado.
So that's always an option too. If you want to really dive in on these things, ⁓ check us out. If you're not in our state, that's fine. Find somebody that is in your state that can help you with these things. If this stuff resonates with you, go to the clinician, tell them, Hey, this is something that makes sense to me. got to work on this because you see sometimes the issue isn't what you're saying. It's how it's being heard. It's the way you say it. And that can change everything.
And that's worth it. That's worth your time in your relationship to slow down, to self-regulate, to learn how to interpret and understand the different levels and layers of communication that's coming from you and to you. Because we just do it differently. Men and women communicate differently. We attend to different things. And it's worth our time to understand that. If you ever hope to be in a healthy relationship, frankly, with anybody.
Long-term you need to learn this kind of thing and this is something I educate my clients on constantly So reach out either to avoid just counseling reach out somewhere in your state. Just don't be afraid to get help. It's okay No one's and if they are judging you for getting help then find new friends or family or whatever, you know Because you don't need to deal with that in your life You got to figure out how to translate language. That's the same one that you're speaking, which is crazy to think about but it is just kind of what it is So, alright. Well, that's what I got for you today
I'll leave you with that. Don't forget to like, subscribe, tell your friends, tell your family, tell everybody how great the VoyageCast is and how will probably change their life forever. I'm pretty certain of that if they listen to our episodes. No guarantees, but tons of promises. Anyways, take it easy. We'll see you next time.