Inside a Community’s Shock: Gun Violence, Conditioning, and Hard Survival Lessons

A column of smoke kicked off a chain of calls, a scroll through social, and a gut punch: a mass shooting close to home. We talk through the first seconds of shock, how upbringing shapes the way adrenaline hits, and why some people freeze while others scan for exits and angles. It’s not bravado—just a hard look at how conditioning and environment change outcomes when eight minutes can rewrite lives.

We pull apart “soft targets,” the limits of laws inside schools and public spaces, and the uneasy gap between fast police work and the helpless window before sirens arrive. Then we go deeper: family-level survival planning, what teachers can and can’t do, and the messy truth about who typically carries out mass shootings and how media talks around patterns. From Mindhunter to true-crime charts, we question a culture that packages violence as content while communities argue about rights and responsibility.

Guns are front and center. One of us argues for uncompromising Second Amendment rights and trained readiness; the other pushes for more work tied to ownership—secure storage, smarter background checks, and mental health indicators with teeth. We debate what real preparedness looks like in a Walmart or a school hallway: scenario training, medical kits, clear commands, and the discipline to stabilize rather than escalate. Throughout, we stay human—naming bias, calling for accountability, and refusing to pretend that fear is a plan.

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Transcript

Seeing Smoke, Hearing the News

SPEAKER_00 0:45

I've been coming out my 20 uh three week or 75 rather. And um I seen the smoke. And the only thing I thought was like, man, somebody's house or building was on fire. So I didn't think nothing of it. You know, I kept on driving. And then um my dog Brad, who worked for Grand Blanc Community Schools, he called me and said, Man, did you hear what happened in Grand Blanc? And the first thing that hit me was, yo, it must be an accident. Because gun violence don't really happen in Grand Blanc. Now, if you'd have said Flint, my first thing would have been, yeah, somebody probably got shot. You know what I'm saying? But being from there, like, I'm like, no, I ain't think so. And when he told me what happened, I went on social media. He asked me first, like, have you been on social media? Facebook, I'm like, nah, I ain't been on social media about three hours. I was out to eat, got up, went out to eat. And I even really went out there, picked some food up and came back. I'm like, nah, I don't see nothing. And then, you know, it that happened, and I'm like, shit. You know, I'm like, man, this is crazy how that happened, how that went. And it was just, you know, it was it was horrible, man, you know, thinking about that. And it's just the thing, the first thing popped in my mind was like, what if that was my kids? What if that was one of my friends? One of what if that was one of my family members? You know, what if I was in that situation and I didn't have my firearm on me? What to do? What you do next? How would you act? How could could I save somebody? Would I sacrifice myself to save somebody? And like, just thinking about that, working for the school for sure, they have a um a couple of active shooting trainings you take when in the school year first start, it's called Alec or something like that. It's something to that uh effect with the acronym, but it's active shooter shooter, some, some, some plan. And um I just like that, like how many families really sit down and hammer home, hey, if this happens in an establishment, this is what I need you to do. These are the tactics, these are the survival tips I need you to do to be able to survive a mass shooting. You know, telling your kid or a love want to play dead. All them type of things. Like, who goes through that with their kids? Like, I know you're gonna feel me when I'm coming with this one shake. For me and you growing up where we grew up at, we're gonna react different because we've been in them situations with gun violence.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 3:27

But for a person who haven't, and like us raising our kids not to be in our environment, I don't think they're gonna have the same wits we had because they didn't have to go around that. It's like, you know, working at my job with a lot of staff, when kids get the fighting in there, you can see they adrenaline and get to pumping real hard, they get to sweating hard. And like one of my supervisors, Majit, always said, like, you don't, they just said that in the training we just took, restraint training, like uh you don't get really rattled, you even kill. I said, Yeah, because I've been around that all my life. So when somebody gets to fighting, I don't my adrenaline don't get to pumping hard because I done seen it so many times. It's like a it's like a boxer. If a boxer in the ring and he sees somebody on the outs fighting, it don't make him like blood get to flowing. He's seeing this all the time. This It's like normal. Yeah, it's normal. So me doing how to see a kid swing on a kid or tackle kids, all right. Skin off of him.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

Like it's crazy to buck like in our environment. People will see see y'all act get killed and get in their car and pull off. Like, damn. It ain't no like, oh my god, no, it's like damn, they just murked, fam. I'm out of here. It ain't no, like, damn, you call, yeah, they just murk cuz on such and such, you feel me? It ain't no, oh my god, they just killed. No, it's just like damn. It's fucked up. But that's when your environment is conditioned for that. It's like normal.

SPEAKER_02 4:59

Right.

SPEAKER_01 4:59

But then, you know, like where we stay, and then five miles down the highway, that same environment can't even be fathomed. Right. You understand what I'm saying?

Soft Targets and Law Limits

SPEAKER_00 5:12

So Yeah, we we we used to gun violence. It's sad to say that, but we've been conditioned by our environment to be used to gun violence and violence at all, so we don't panic. We'd have been in a situation where we somewhere and gunshots get the ringing off. We're not running from the gunshot per se. We run in that direction to see where it's coming from so we can make sure we get out the way. We don't be wanting and then you get hit in the back. Because you don't know where the gunfire is going, you just hurt them. But you know, it's it's like when we talked about it before we came on air, you were saying, like, in a situation like that, you would like to be in that situation because you, you know, you to condition yourself to be in that situation. But what about the people who ain't? Exactly. That's and that's the that's right there. Doing the two elements that make mass shooting so horrible. You have a lot of people that ain't mentally ready for that. And then again, who's ready for that? Even if you're a guy that is mentally ready for that, if you follow the law and then take your firearm in that environment, you got a disadvantage already.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

That's the that's the whole thing, though. Like, it's laws in place. That's why they call it soft targets. Yeah. Like it's no, you're you're not going. Wynn has a mass shooter, like, you know what? I'm running in the police department. You want to put running the police department. No. Them fuckers got guns. Yeah, they trying to. At people who want to shoot at me back. Yeah. You see, when the police came, what they did, look, the the event started at what was it? It was 10 25 or something. 10 25. It was over at 1033.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

It lasted eight minutes, bro.

SPEAKER_02 6:53

Yeah.

Police Response, Bias, and Local Frustrations

SPEAKER_01 6:53

That whole situation had eight minutes, bro. As soon as Grand Blank pulled up, and I'm gonna give my condolences to Grand Blank and everybody involved in the situation. Because um, some months ago, my daughter was jumped at trillion. And, you know, coming from where we come from, you know, I did the right thing. Something I never done in my life. I ain't gonna say I never. What I say is this, I've never cooperated with the police in my life. Until a point like, you know what, just trying to show my kid um The right way. The right way. The right way. So legal way. Right. So basically, go down to the um go down to the Rand Bank Police Department, whatever, sit down, have an interview, tell them about what happened, whatever. You know, um, basically, due to my daughter engaging with the other girls, they say she's as she's just as she just is at fault as the other kids. I'm like, what? I say, if this was a little white girl getting beat up by those same kids that was jumping my daughter, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Yeah, it'd be a whole different situation. You understand what I'm saying? Like, so like I told our thought that this happening in Grand Blanc really was giving going to give me some leeway on you guys, you know, um, doing something about the situation. Because, you know, I was excited. I'm like, oh, this happened in Grand Blanc. Oh, hell, they don't play that shit. You feel me? You understand what I'm saying? They didn't do shit about it. I told them, I told him, I said, hey man, do you understand the consequences behind stuff like this? Like, I know you from Grand Blank, nothing really happens out here. You understand what I'm saying? Until something happens. You understand what I'm saying? So y'all not dealing with the type of stuff that Flint is dealing with on the daily. So you really not prepared, like how Flint would be prepared for it. You understand what I'm saying? Because how often does something happen in Grand Blank? And then if something do happen, you know, to due to my situation, maybe if I was in another demographic, it would have gone different. But it didn't. You understand what I'm saying? So fast forward now. It's kind of like who wishes these, I don't know, no one wishes situations like this, but at the same time, it'd be situations that police officers, the department just don't be taking, just don't be taken serious. They don't. Like I called the Burton police department. What was that? Um Tuesday. For one, when you listen to the news, they say the guy's from Burton.

SPEAKER_00 9:51

Yeah, I think he grew up in good rich and moved to Burton.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

I live in Burton.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

Right.

Suburbs, Bullying, and Who Gets Targeted

SPEAKER_01 9:57

So I'm like, damn, what if whoever in Grand Blank militant person that they got, that's the throwaway guy, want to come shoot up our school. You understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 10:06

That's you know what's crazy about that, and that's a segue to get into what I was gonna get into. I always crack jokes with my daughter Nyla and Rocky, I always crack jokes, and you know, me and my ex-wife, that's the one thing we used to bump heads about. Because I wasn't too fond of them going out to grandplain schools. Not just because of, you know, the racial stuff or, you know, different with you know being not being around your own kind like that. It was just, I used to say crack jokes about that, but it's the truth. I was I started skipping school and high school, you know. I said I said, I'd probably be one of the guys that skipped school that day or skipped that hour or something when somebody came in there shooting like that, because you don't really have that in black schools. If somebody comes up there shooting, they're not shooting in a crowd. They're coming to shoot who they was looking for. Exactly. In suburban areas with densely Caucasians or YT white people, yeah. They coming to shoot everything up. It ain't no, I had a problem with this person, I'm coming to the office to shoot this person. I'm coming to shoot everything.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

The reason, the reason I feel, the reason I think that it's more prevalent in white communities in our communities, because in a small white community, right? Say for example, you're getting bullied, the whole town is complicit with your bullying. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. Compared to, like, bro, literally, if you like the whole town be complicit. Like, I'm gonna use the Oxford, the um Ethan Crumbler situation.

SPEAKER_02 11:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:45

Okay, I know how the media twisted it, but when you really look at these situations that they don't really never want to look at or talk about, it's like, what did y'all do to Ethan?

SPEAKER_00 11:56

To make him snap.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

To make him snap like that.

SPEAKER_00 11:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

But they're never, ever. They can't. They know he's a bad kid. He did something so horrific. It doesn't matter. So once you do what you do, it doesn't matter what was done to you for you to do that. In the eyes of the law, in the eyes of society, you just supposed to take that. Diddy term, take that, take that, take that, take that, take that. You're supposed to just take it, bro. And then just move on with your life. No, it's not going on like that, bro. People ain't just gonna keep taking and taking and taking. You know?

SPEAKER_00 12:32

And this on subject with it, but it's parallel with it. And I was talking to my dog Brad about this, and I was being honest. I said, man, you have to look into the psyche of American society. And what I mean by this is, and I hate to say it like this, I know some of my friends are gonna disagree. Some of the people I work with might say something to me. They might get on a fake account and say something to me, which I don't care. I take all comments, if negative or positive. I always said this, and I'm gonna stand by, it's a heel or die on. And I'm fired from racist, I'm fired from prejudice, none of that. But I I see what I see, and when I see what I see, if I'm speaking on it, I'm gonna speak on it, I'm gonna speak fact. That's why it's called transparency. Exactly. Transparent. There's a different level of emotion and especially hate. I don't know what a word that can be higher than hate, more deeper than hate, but when white people get this in their mind, you can't talk them out of it. When they get to that point, there's no talking them out of it. There's no anything, they they they they're just how they feel. This is what they're gonna do. The only way you can stop it is to contain them. I try to be funny when I say this was like the Michael Myers. We ever watched Michael Myers, like, dog, uh, got to the point where nothing was gonna change him. I was gonna kill everybody in my family because I felt like I got mistreated. Halloween night.

Mindhunter, Trauma, and Profiling

SPEAKER_01 13:57

But that's the I know people watch the Netflix series Mind Hunter. I've watched the series. I've actually had the opportunity. I have the book, I've read the whole book. Like this book is the start of the FBI forensic mental health division of whatever, um, investigating the mind. Basically, all the serial killers and things like that, that was serial killers, they end up when they caught them, they end up going in and interviewing them, asking them questions about why they did what they did and all that type of stuff. And come to find out, a lot of the trauma came from being mistreated by their parents. Like, period. Being mistreated by their parents, especially in the um, in the Caucasian um setup, you know, you grow up with the mother and the father, you know, the happy home. When that's when that falls apart, that affects white kids way different than it affects me and you.

SPEAKER_00 14:58

Yeah, because they and they saying that's wrong, but they think this family, this is how it's supposed to be, supposed to stay like this.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

Exactly. Because when we look at our history of America, the Caucasian is the one who came over here and took everything over, bro. So imagine his mindset towards things when he doesn't get his way.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

Well, it's it's uh that's that's where I was headed to, bro. You just went right towards that.

SPEAKER_01 15:23

That's like right where I was headed to, bro. If motherfucker, I could I came over here and took this country. Us. Like when you read the history, like, you know, we were slaves, they were the conquerors. So as a white man, okay, I'm living by the rules and the laws of things, but once I really get to the point where I feel like, what?

SPEAKER_00 15:43

Ain't no, ain't no Ain't no stopping me. Yeah, ain't no talking. I'm gonna react with violence. Exactly. It's it's deep-rooted, like I said, before we started. After this happened, I was going to get another gun anyways. You know, I wanted another handgun. Got a couple guns, couple handguns, I wanted another one.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

Need a rifle.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

No, I got one. I needed, I wanted, I wanted another handgun. So I said, you know what, I'm gonna get a Glock 19. I was going to get one anyways. I've been saying this for like the last six months. I just didn't get around to it because it wasn't a Vic needs. You get what I'm saying? But when that happened, it made me say, you know what, go grab one. And the first thing I axed when I went to the gun shop was, did the gun sales go up when this happened? He said, Yeah, that weekend and following day, Monday, he said, man, it was lying out the door. I didn't ask him this, because I already knew. Because I was just in there doing my background check. It took about an hour.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

So I'm just- You didn't have to do a background check on you for you got a CPO.

SPEAKER_00 16:39

Even with that, they still had to do one.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

Why?

SPEAKER_00 16:41

That's a new law. Really? Yeah. Because of stuff like this, it's a new law. Even if you got a CPO, when you go purchase a firearm, you still got to do a background check, FBI background check. So it'll take a little minute going through the system. It depends on how quick the system gets it done, but it'll go in there. But I'm already looking around and I see one black couple come in the store, everybody else is white. And I'm saying this, what you just said to piggyback on it. It's that it's the hatred. They, when it's get to that point when I feel like whatever is not going my way, there's no talking. I'm I'm reacting, I'm responding with violence. And that violence ain't gonna be usually fighting, it's gonna be gun. It's gonna be a weapon. And if you look at, like you just said, I said, man, look at the all the mass shootings in America. Look predominantly who does it. We go back to the episode we just did. We normally don't go back episode because we usually change the episode. We just talk about this, we got another topic to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

I want to do a round two on that last episode. We might have to do that. Because it was so much stuff, bro. After we had the episode that just came out, like, I'm like, damn, we gotta do a round two.

History, Instinct, and American Violence

SPEAKER_00 17:47

So, like with the Charlie Kirk situation. What did the again what the dog say? I was praying that it wasn't one of us. He wasn't talking about the Utah, somebody from Utah. He was talking about a skin. And this is what I said now.

SPEAKER_01 18:02

Check this out. Jacob, he spent some time in Utah. Just throw that out there, you know. Spent some time in Utah, got him live DUIs out in Utah and things like that, you know?

SPEAKER_00 18:17

And this is the thing, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's why I said with white, and it's not a every white person. I'm saying the ones that does this. It's in them, they got a different level of hate and a different way of thinking, like you said. You know what? Look, I kind of let's not look, let's not call it hate.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

Because it's not hate. Bro, it's instinct. Because once again, bro, look what they did, bro. Look, what one of the things we don't talk about is the millions of Native Americans that was murdered.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:55

That they try to say, oh, they when we got here, it wasn't nothing here. It was just no, yeah. Our history is told in a form to where it's acceptable. Period. Yeah. They don't tell you about, okay, when they came over here, the natives wasn't, they wasn't having it. The saying is Indians would Indians if Indians came to the point of defeat, they cut their own throats, bro. Because I'm I'm I heard I say, what? They say, yeah, like, because they knew. They knew what these people was coming to do, bro.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Oh no, what you just said that, and that's getting a little bit off topic. So I've been always saying that. That was a difference between them and us. They said, we know if you conquer us what's coming next, you're gonna try to enslave us. Because that's the spoils of war. They didn't do that. And what you said go back to, you know, what they couldn't.

SPEAKER_01 19:54

Yeah. Because they knew everybody, the reason the Indians gone, bro, because wasn't nobody having it, bro.

SPEAKER_00 19:59

Yeah. They like, no. That was even we different tribes, that was demonstrative. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And when you when you when you go back and you think about how I said, like, to have the mental that I'm having an issue, and instead of trying to go get help, fuck that. I don't want no more help, or I don't want to get help. My response is I'm going to kill or harm as many people as I can into a suicide pact. That's what the mass suitors do, most of them. And it's just crazy because like I said, it's not saying ain't none ever been black, because I think that DC sniper was black. Bro, that's the only one. Yeah, but for the most part, it's just that's not in a black person's In the book Mindhunter.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

In the book Mindhunter, bro, they broke down all the stuff when it comes to criminality. Like, bro, in the book, it says white black folks don't do mass shootings. Nah, we don't. We just they just don't do it. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm saying. It's not our makeup. When it comes to the FBI, just like, you know, they talking about, I hope it's not one of us. When it comes to the FBI profiling the case, they got profilers, bro. They got real people in the FBI that's a profiler to come sit and while they ask you questions, he just sitting there just looking at you. He ain't asking no questions, he's profiling you.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Yeah, checking your body language up.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Body language, how you respond to the question, just the way you respond to a question is uh show your ideology. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

I don't know if you ever watched the movie No uh uh uh No Country for Old Men.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Yeah, I watched it.

SPEAKER_00 21:41

If you see when they talk about that is a psychological uh uh thing. If you look at a person's forehead and it's smooth, they don't have no creases. Like, you know what I'm saying? When they talk, you don't ever see no creases. It means you got something, bro. When I say smooth, you got creases. The ones that have no creases, when you check, that means they don't do a lot of thinking rationally. Like you see something, you're like, let me think about that.

SPEAKER_01 22:04

Oh like basically, like how I'm now right now, basically.

Guns, Background Checks, and Responsibility

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Yeah, you it they showed that that's like a lot of that's a a trait, a physical trait for psych sociopaths.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

They don't have you just yeah, you don't think.

SPEAKER_00 22:18

It ain't no, once you think, you just think. You get what I'm saying? Ain't no back and forth. It's not a teeter top. Should I do this? Should I not do this? That's what I want to do. That's what I'm gonna do. And if you go back, I bullshit you not, when you get a chance, or any of the viewers go back and watch the guy, he never had a name, but it was the guy that was killing him with the air uh, I don't know the name of that motherfucking machine off the job, but he was the dude that was killing, he was the assassin. And he was killing the air gun, the thing you killed. I forgot the exact name, but it was the cloud cattle. If you go watch it, just go, just go put you it. They made sure they kept his forehead smooth. Look it up. And it's things like that. And what you said, like, again, criminality. You're not the most heinous crimes happen on this soil, United States soil happens from Caucasians. It ain't what they would make it seem like is, and that's why you can do proximity, that's why I said with the Charlie Kirk shit, it's I can play with numbers and words and make it seem like what it ain't. So the same thing you were saying about crime and black people doing all that, here we go. It ain't that the reason why more of the mass shootings is white people because it's more white people than blacks or other colors. It's literally, you can go by the ratio of it. It is what it is. The most heinous crimes, your serial killers are what? Right. Serial rapists. Right. I I was talking to my dog Brad, because he's from Filipino descent, Philippine, and he stayed in Grand Blanc his whole life. And we were just talking about it. And I said this, and this was the truth. You know, I'm talking about I'm like, if you go back and look at how they treated us for hundreds of years, I said, man, do you know how, again, that's why I said the word, hate, you said don't use hate its instincts, so that's even worse. But I said it had to be it's had to be something about above hate. But I said, to sit up and give babies to alligators in Florida and buy the bayou and delta and stuff like that, this document happened. But I go further than that. This it's 2025, this had to be 75 years ago, they were still doing this. About 75 years they were still doing this. Public lynchings. Meaning we're in a town, right? So what we're looking for, like we looking forward to the Terran Conference and Canelo Alvarez fight. We're looking towards the game seven of the finals, you're looking for towards the Super Bowl. We was looking for, you know what I'm saying, 8-1-10 days, you're looking forward to Juneteenth, stuff like that. They was looking forward to public lynchings. That means kids like you got your baby in your arm, and all the way up will gather in the town and watch a person literally lose their essence. They dying. And then some of them that got lynched, they would burn them after they lynched them. And you sitting there, we got the photographs, the show this, how they smile, how sadistic them smiles look. Be able to sit back and like this is me, and that anybody can take it anywhere. If I'm gonna kill you, yeah, I have no problem killing you. Because it's something you did to me. I gotta, you got one of us gotta go. You know what I'm saying? But for me to watch another person get killed that I have no ties to and just sit back and watch it, it's not something I'm gonna watch. It's not gonna make me throw up or nothing, but it ain't shit I wanna watch. Like, no, I ain't that y'all some boy, I don't wanna watch that shit.

Preparedness vs. Escalation: What’s Enough

SPEAKER_01 25:25

One of the words you said was small. So, therapy. Um, learned about body language. Well, you already gotta know about the body language, but went to therapy, they brought up body language. And because one of the things that working at where I work at, you feel me, you know, body body language is more than you ever can imagine. You know what I'm saying? So one of the things was this about Caucasians, that this is what our they the therapist was white. So if the white therapist telling you about smiles, do you do you understand smiles? I'm like, like, what do you mean? Like, do you know what a natural smile is? I'm like, I guess so. I say, she says this. So look, if someone smiles at you with their teeth, they're that's a sign of aggression. Like slight little, like little, hold your, hold your teeth out like real like this, like how you doing? Or teeth, that's a a sign of aggression. But most people don't even realize it. What you look for is your and your coworkers at work, is when you speak to them, is you don't really, most people's facial expressions don't change when they speak to when they talk. When they say, hey, how you doing? It's just hey, how you doing? You know, when you get that person that's showing their teeth, the hard smile, they over, like they over-smile it too hard, showing you their teeth, watch out for those people. Those are the people who really, I don't know, you know, watch out for those people. The hard smiles, I know, Brody, you work with Caucasians, those smile, hi Robert. Yeah. It's almost like the Joker. You understand what I'm saying? That's not uh that's not friendly. That's passive aggression. Like, if I just met you, I don't know you. Hey, what's up, Mr. Run? How you doing? I ain't gonna be, hey, Mr. Wills. Yeah. How you doing, sir?

SPEAKER_00 27:42

You masking you all my teeth. Masking.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

You understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 27:46

You masking the real you. And that's where I was getting at. And like I said, I don't want to, again, I'm not prejudiced, not racist. I anybody could tell that. I ain't no saying this in Charlie Cart. I'm telling really what goes on. If you look at it from this standpoint, I heard it was a clip that my dog Brad showed me. Uh this was some killing happened earlier. I mean, not killing, but a mass murder and shooting happened somewhere uh earlier in either Florida or Texas, and they had the anchor talking about it. And he was white, and he talked about it, and he said what it is. It's true. If that's why I go back to Kali Kirk, I wish it wasn't one of our own. He wasn't saying one of his own, like somebody from Utah. He was saying, you know what I'm saying? Exactly. If that would have been people of person of color, if half these mass shootings would have been people of color, or let's say an Islamic person, all hell would have broke loose.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

One of the things that really blew me was like, this was a Mormon church, right? Yeah. Like, I guess dude had Mormon ideologies, whatever, negative ideologies towards Mormons or something like that. We won't know. You know, like that's what some of the people um trying to say, but you won't know the thing. That's the other thing about that, too.

SPEAKER_00 28:59

You won't know because dog got killed.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

And that's another thing I'm gonna say. You won't know what his motives is. When you die, bro, it's really just that's it. That's it.

Control, Fear, and True Crime Culture

SPEAKER_00 29:07

We don't know. We'll never know really what happened. Unless that dog, unless he left something behind with writing that we can verify, even then that's kind of sketchy. If you couldn't really sit down and interview this dude, you never know. Whoever you ask could be fashion, you know, fabricating the story. Even if he did talk to somebody, you'll never know what dog really did. But the one thing I do know is the traits, the patterns. This is always the last mass shooting in Michigan. White. It's always white. Because the way some of them, like you, I'm gonna use your word again, instinct. They instinctual, how they do stuff is I gotta hurt. I don't understand nothing else. That's why I go back. Everything I usually when I talk to people, now I talk on a podcast like I would talk to somebody, because it's intimate, like I would talk to somebody face to face. I tell them. My points together. That's why I said when I went to the gun store, it was mainly white. If you look who buy majority guns, mainly white. If you see who be at gun range, gun shows, white. It's something about them when it comes to violent, excites them. And I'm gonna tie it up with this. I was talking to Brad about this. I said, man, and I seen. He said it, it was crazy because I was also saying I think our phone do be listening to us now. It does. It popped up, I was talking about it, and it popped up with Charleston White. He was saying something I had been saying for years, bro. And Charleston, my nigga, man. Yeah. I mean, I would love to get you on a podcast. I just know it's gonna cost an arm and leg, but I want to get you on there. It's this is the truth. Why America? You know, I'm just talking about America. And and because I'm American, so I got the right to talk about this. But I always said this with Americans. Why do our society have such a fascinating fascination with fucking um have a fascination when it comes to violence and people who commit violence, meaning Jeffrey Dahmer. That was a Netflix original. It's one of the highest viewed, highest rated Netflix original, the Jeffrey Dahmer story. The Ted Bunny joint, same way. The stuff about Charles Mancy, the same way. Even if you look at the highest rated, this is my field, this is your field now, Google it. The highest rated podcast be true crime. And it's usually not true crime talking about um, you know, let's say drugs and things, it be violent acts, murder. Yeah. What what is the fascination with American mental state that is so excited and intrigued about violence? Like that's why I brought that up. Like go look it up. This is natural like why?

SPEAKER_01 32:06

So being the being the dominant ethnicity, you control everything.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:19

So you gotta let these motherfuckers know what we capable of and what we willing to do. You understand what I'm saying? I truly believe any serial killer, or whatever, like for example, they're they are they are their throwaways, bro. They are their flunkies. Just like in the hood, you got a flunky, you got a guy that, you know, go do all the goofy shit, or if you can manipulate him doing all the goofy shit. Like, that's those people. When it comes to mass shooters, bro, the way I look at them, I look at them as a means to an end. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like I look at, like, when it like they're there. I believe they already know they're going to do what they're doing. That wouldn't surprise me. I believe you can call me a sub, whatever, conspiracy theory, whatever you want to call me, bro. I believe the dude in the grand blank, they already knew he was doing it. Whoever his carrier is knew he was about to go do that shit, bro. I don't think none of this shit like some just random a guy just flipped this switch and I'm about to go. No, bro. Yeah, I it wouldn't surprise me, bro. I believe that most of these situations are carried out, bro, to control to manipulate the masses.

SPEAKER_00 33:41

It wouldn't surprise me, bro. Because, like I said, it it it that's why I go back to hammering that point out. Why is it, why would I shed light to some shit Jeffrey Dahmer did?

SPEAKER_01 33:52

Because I want you to because I fuck with Jeffrey Dahmer. Like we really, like, we really, like, okay, just like politicians and our government, you know, you get the, like, for example, the Epstein stuff, right? Come to find out, like, I know that he was an Israeli um spy. That's why it's so intricate about everything that's in the Epstein's file, because this guy was a fucking spy, bro. He was an agent, bro, from the um Israeli intelligence service, bro. To come over, get dirt on America, and they put politicians and everything. And bad situations. And bad situations, and he got that. But his ass died in Brooklyn motherfucking, what's the name, nigga? We ain't letting you out. We ain't letting you get back to Israel, bitch. We're killing you, nigga. Yeah, when you get you cooked. Fuck you mean you ain't about to pit out my freaky judge, buddy.

Demands for Change and Final Reflections

SPEAKER_00 34:44

And that's why I say with the mass murdering, I said that conspiracy theory you just said, I could I could roll with it because most of the mass killers, they get killed. So when it tied to the loose end, you can't say what really happened. If you're a whistleblower, they take care of you quickly. You know, and it's back to what I said. Like, you know, when I heard Charlie Kirk say what he said. Uh, you might have to lose a couple lives to have the freedom of having guns. And I'm not against having freedom of guns.

SPEAKER_01 35:14

Look, that's one thing is this. When I tell you I am 100% for the Second Amendment. No, I'm with it. I am not with any restrictions of gun laws, period. Because responsible people who own guns are not doing this shit. We just need more responsible people that own guns to realize that you're the savior. You're our hero. Act like it. Motherfucker, if you got guns, when you out in the public, act like you got a gun, not act like you got a gun, but be prepared to serve like you got a gun, bro.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

The only thing I say about guns, like I think you everybody should have a right to own them. My problem comes in, I don't think it's enough work having a gun. Even when these kids get access to these guns, how? Because your parent was so lackadaisical that they could get to the gun. Like my man's, I'm pretty sure he was a CPO holder. Um, can't think of his name right now, but dog that just did the shooting. I don't know why it's just flaying my mind. But I don't need that. Yeah, but yeah, I'm I'm I I bet he had one. And that's my problem. I always said that a gun gives you in a split second the chance to control somebody's life.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 36:28

You it should be harder. Especially if you can't fight. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It should be harder to access this than what it is. I don't think you should take it away, but I say, yeah, the gun laws would be a little stricker. And that's why we said earlier, I said, I wasn't tripping out to doing a background check. You should. Because people do background checks with the um, they be looking for like criminal activity. Fuck that. What was your mental background? How much therapy do you take? Because I ain't trying to be funny. If I see a motherfucker heavy in the therapy, heavy, heavy in the therapy, I don't think you need a gun. Because that we gotta let you get through that therapy and then let it sit with you for a while and make sure you're mentally ready. But then we got HIPAA. Yep. That's so Which says that's what soft targets. That's what they do.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

Everything is created. To create shit like this. Man, bro, every they create. So look, I believe this is a country of control chaos.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

It is. Let's make money. I go back to what I just said. What is the leading podcast topic or podcast shows? Look it up, viewers. It's true crime. And they're talking about unsolved murders. That'd be the number one thing. Murders and unsolved murders. What is the vaccination with that shit? It's control chaos. If you and that's why fear. Yeah, fear. That's what it comes with. I just said it made me jump. I was go get a gun, bro, another handgun. Anyways, I was tired of the old ones I had. But that pushed me. Go grab that. Bro, gun industry, they just glot just made some money.$700 off me. Because I got pushed. I was already at the ledge to go get it, but this pushed. How many more people did what I did? Now I ain't even radical. Now let's talk about the ones that's radical with guns. But you need, bro, look.

SPEAKER_01 38:16

I was just watching this guy. Well, this is how I am. Once I get my shit, you go see. Well, you go see. I'm I'm I'm I've always been militant. You understand what I'm saying? So it is what it is. Like, bro, shit, the way I have rolled with illegally. Right. You understand what I'm saying? The way I have with the way I have been armed over my lifetime, bro. The type of shit that I ain't rolled around with and had in the car with me to protect myself, bro. Been assault rifles, bro. You ain't ride around with no Glock, bro. Ride around with an assault pistol. You understand what I'm saying? Like, not about to play with nobody, bro. Like, every CPL holder should have a rifle in their vehicle. You understand what I'm saying? The same way. With four magazines. You should be ready. You should have four to five magazines, bro, ready to do battle. With who? The motherfucking Walmart shooter. You should, if the motherfucking Walmart shooting, for one, you should have your gun on, you ready to do what you gotta do with him in that bitch. But if it really, bro, I'm gonna be that nigga running out to the car to get my rifle and running back in the stump. People gonna be like, man, what if they think you the I say, look, bro, a clear thinking person go be able to tell between a mass shooter and a person that's protecting them, bro. Yeah. I'm with you. You understand what I'm saying? So if something going on, so I'm running out of raw market. I know the guy in there's in there shooting. If I see a person, regular clothes like me running into the store with an assault rifle, bro, that's not the mass shooter.

SPEAKER_02 39:51

Right.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

You understand what I'm saying? Because the mass shooter is not running towards shit.

SPEAKER_00 39:56

Nah.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

But that's critical thinking from being in critical situations. You understand what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 40:02

And that's a go back to what you said. You said that's a delay before it's soft target. You know they ain't ready for this.

SPEAKER_01 40:06

Bro, the police, bro, I swear to God, bro. The police not even game type. No. On situations. No, they look. So when the thing happened with my daughter, I'm just trying to break things down to him. I say, um, I say, who was the girl recording? Like, they like, um, we don't know. I say we gotta wrap it up. Okay. I say, I know you know. I say, don't you know that the person that recorded the video get done worse than the people who actually was doing it, was inside the video? They're like, huh? I say, yes. Like, bro, like when stuff like this happened in the black community, the first person we want to kill is the person who was recording it. You're like, huh? I'm like, y'all don't know this type of stuff? Bro, I don't know if he was just trying to play dumb with it or something, you know, or not. I don't know. But bro, they really don't. I don't, I don't know, bro. I think they really be in a world that they live in of comfort that can't happen. That can't happen. Like, they really in the happen. That's not possible.

SPEAKER_00 41:17

Man, I'm gonna wrap it up, but again, man. Sympathy, condolences, prayers, God out to everybody affected with that one. We're gonna have to figure it out. And I'm gonna wrap it up with this. That, because white people are doing it, oh, we our hands tied. Nah, USA government, y'all gotta figure some shit out with that one. Because if it's not, it's nothing but because if your ass did it. I'll be cooked. And everything would change. Everything would change, bro. So what you been bumping, bro?

Music Recs and Listener Support

SPEAKER_01 41:46

Bro, man, I've been um I've been listening to um Um this one cat, bro. Um Damn, my damn phone dead. I've been listening to um Cookin' Soul. Oh, yeah, no. Y'all know who Cook and Soul is, you feel me? But Cook and Soul, you know, another cat. Um, he a um producer. Yeah, I uh feel me? You will find some that's how you find like good artists is like depending on who their producers is. Like, you know, Cook and Soul, he a real like he messed with all the artists we listen to. He messed with all the type of artists, and then like you will find a new up and coming guy that he and probably felt like you know deserved the production. But then we'll just catch. So yeah, man, cook and soul, man. Y'all need to uh tap in with it.

SPEAKER_00 42:34

Before we get up out of here, Jay Worthy, that new uh Once Upon a Time, man, that project is cold. Like, I've been I'm on it. I'm gonna be on that for the rest of the year. That's that's a cold one. Yeah, check it out. Jay Worthy Once Upon a Time, man. My favorite uh song on that one is probably Choose and Shoes with Bodie James. Um again, you know, call to action, get out there, leave the comments, check us out. We on all platforms YouTube, um Amazon Music, iHeartRadio, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you can find us at. Check us out, man. We appreciate all the love, man. Run them numbers up. Hey, become a supporter. We need it, and we need sponsors. So we love all y'all, man. Keep tuning in, man. We up.