{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1.58,"endTime":6.0,"body":"Welcome everyone to Mystery"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1.58,"endTime":6.0,"body":"AI Hype Theater 3000, where we seek"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":6.0,"endTime":7.83,"body":"catharsis in this age of AI hype."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":8.22,"endTime":11.79,"body":"We find the worst of it and pop it"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":8.22,"endTime":11.79,"body":"with the sharpest needles we can find."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":12.0,"endTime":14.43,"body":"Along the way, we learn"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":12.0,"endTime":14.43,"body":"to always read the footnotes, and each"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":14.43,"endTime":17.61,"body":"time we think we've reached peak AI"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":14.43,"endTime":17.61,"body":"hype, the summit of Bullshit Mountain,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":17.61,"endTime":18.96,"body":"we discover there's worse to come."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":19.36,"endTime":21.39,"body":"I'm Emily M. Bender, a"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":19.36,"endTime":21.39,"body":"professor of linguistics at"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":21.39,"endTime":22.5,"body":"the University of Washington."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":23.22,"endTime":25.8,"body":"I'm Alex Hanna,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":23.22,"endTime":25.8,"body":"Director of Research for the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":25.8,"endTime":27.81,"body":"Distributed AI Research Institute."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":28.22,"endTime":33.8,"body":"This is episode 55, which we're"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":28.22,"endTime":33.8,"body":"recording on April 7th, 2025."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":34.31,"endTime":39.11,"body":"And the time has come for another"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":34.31,"endTime":39.11,"body":"whiplash-filled race through"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":39.11,"endTime":41.069,"body":"the darkest reaches of AI Hell."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":41.84,"endTime":45.14,"body":"Unfortunately, there's a lot out"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":41.84,"endTime":45.14,"body":"there, and it's not just because"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":45.17,"endTime":49.394,"body":"Elon Musk is using LLMs to purge"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":45.17,"endTime":49.394,"body":"the US government workforce and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":49.394,"endTime":52.935,"body":"undermine the very foundations of"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":49.394,"endTime":52.935,"body":"democracy--though there's that too."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":53.655,"endTime":55.274,"body":"Just speaking"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":53.655,"endTime":55.274,"body":"for myself and Alex, these"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":55.274,"endTime":56.834,"body":"episodes are always cathartic."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":56.834,"endTime":59.834,"body":"They're a chance to yell about all the"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":56.834,"endTime":59.834,"body":"things that have been piling up in our"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":59.834,"endTime":63.555,"body":"group chat over the last few months, and"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":59.834,"endTime":63.555,"body":"then continue on with our deeper dives."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":63.935,"endTime":65.435,"body":"Today's platter is piled high."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":65.435,"endTime":69.035,"body":"We have more promises that AGI is just"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":65.435,"endTime":69.035,"body":"around the corner, more pollution of the"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":69.035,"endTime":72.965,"body":"information ecosystem, and what ChatGPT"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":69.035,"endTime":72.965,"body":"could possibly have to do with the"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":72.965,"endTime":74.885,"body":"United States' disastrous new tariffs."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":75.365,"endTime":79.625,"body":"And we like to say our slogan is"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":75.365,"endTime":79.625,"body":"ridicule as praxis, and in times like"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":79.625,"endTime":81.395,"body":"these, we could all use a good laugh."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":82.265,"endTime":87.634,"body":"But before we get too deep on"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":82.265,"endTime":87.634,"body":"the bad news, there's also some good news."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":87.875,"endTime":91.835,"body":"Our book, The AI Con, is coming"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":87.875,"endTime":91.835,"body":"out in just a few short weeks"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":91.835,"endTime":93.365,"body":"from this episode's release date."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":93.785,"endTime":97.71,"body":"Pre-order it now so you can have"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":93.785,"endTime":97.71,"body":"it the instant it's available."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":98.555,"endTime":102.665,"body":"That's May 13th in the US and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":98.555,"endTime":102.665,"body":"affiliated markets, and May 22nd"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":102.665,"endTime":104.765,"body":"for the UK and affiliated markets."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":105.185,"endTime":107.675,"body":"And we're doing a little"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":105.185,"endTime":107.675,"body":"tour to promote it, talk about some of"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":107.675,"endTime":111.125,"body":"our most important points, and meet our"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":107.675,"endTime":111.125,"body":"fellows in the fight against AI hype."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":111.395,"endTime":114.035,"body":"Starting with a virtual"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":111.395,"endTime":114.035,"body":"event with the Distributed AI"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":114.035,"endTime":115.745,"body":"Research Institute on May 8th."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":116.015,"endTime":119.585,"body":"Mark your calendars and visit"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":116.015,"endTime":119.585,"body":"TheCon.AI for a full list."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":120.48,"endTime":120.96,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":120.96,"endTime":123.99,"body":"And with that, let's get on"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":120.96,"endTime":123.99,"body":"with the hell, which means--"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":123.99,"endTime":124.71,"body":"So much hell."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":124.71,"endTime":125.64,"body":"So much hell."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":125.91,"endTime":126.24,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":126.24,"endTime":130.68,"body":"I am going to share the first batch in my"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":126.24,"endTime":130.68,"body":"screen here, and I have helpfully numbered"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":130.68,"endTime":133.65,"body":"these so that I can find them quickly."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":133.98,"endTime":137.76,"body":"The first one is all about AGI, and"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":133.98,"endTime":137.76,"body":"I guess this is a, this is a language"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":137.76,"endTime":139.02,"body":"one, Alex, so I'm gonna take this one."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":139.85,"endTime":145.305,"body":"This is on the Google Research blog"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":139.85,"endTime":145.305,"body":"from March 21st, 2025 by Mariano Schain,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":145.325,"endTime":148.894,"body":"software engineer and Ariel Goldstein,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":145.325,"endTime":148.894,"body":"visiting researcher at Google Research."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":149.075,"endTime":152.615,"body":"The title is \"Deciphering Language"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":149.075,"endTime":152.615,"body":"Processing in the Human Brain through"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":152.615,"endTime":158.915,"body":"LLM Representations,\" and apparently"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":152.615,"endTime":158.915,"body":"what they did was they did some uh,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":158.975,"endTime":164.405,"body":"you know, brain imaging stuff and they"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":158.975,"endTime":164.405,"body":"did some looking inside the transformer"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":164.405,"endTime":166.624,"body":"stuff and they said, Hey, they match."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":166.714,"endTime":170.384,"body":"And I'm just so mad about this"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":166.714,"endTime":170.384,"body":"graphic here where we have a speech"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":170.404,"endTime":173.584,"body":"input into the listener's brain,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":170.404,"endTime":173.584,"body":"but also modeling speech processing."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":173.795,"endTime":177.184,"body":"And then they're saying, look, we have"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":173.795,"endTime":177.184,"body":"this kind of mapping that came out of"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":177.184,"endTime":181.444,"body":"the LLM and this kind of mapping that"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":177.184,"endTime":181.444,"body":"came out of the brain imaging system."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":181.444,"endTime":182.795,"body":"And so same."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":184.324,"endTime":187.454,"body":"Oh gosh, this"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":184.324,"endTime":187.454,"body":"is just language area."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":188.144,"endTime":190.174,"body":"This area-- yeah, this is, this is wild."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":190.174,"endTime":193.684,"body":"So, yeah, describing, it's just like"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":190.174,"endTime":193.684,"body":"these arrows pointing to different types"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":193.684,"endTime":198.179,"body":"of pieces to the brain and suggesting"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":193.684,"endTime":198.179,"body":"that they're similar in architecture."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":198.379,"endTime":200.54,"body":"Um, that's really frustrating."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":200.54,"endTime":201.199,"body":"It's, yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":201.259,"endTime":205.309,"body":"And you know, there may well be some"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":201.259,"endTime":205.309,"body":"decent scientific questions to ask here."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":205.309,"endTime":209.16,"body":"It might be that information about"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":205.309,"endTime":209.16,"body":"the distribution of word forms in"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":209.21,"endTime":215.09,"body":"texts is a strong enough signal of"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":209.21,"endTime":215.09,"body":"something that it maps onto something"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":215.09,"endTime":218.449,"body":"about, let's say, retrieval of"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":215.09,"endTime":218.449,"body":"words in the process of listening."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":218.959,"endTime":224.509,"body":"Um, so it could be that there's"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":218.959,"endTime":224.509,"body":"something here, but to say this is"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":224.509,"endTime":226.459,"body":"the same, it's just a huge over claim."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":226.639,"endTime":227.03,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":227.389,"endTime":227.9,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":228.709,"endTime":229.429,"body":"All right, next."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":229.429,"endTime":230.16,"body":"Next story."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":230.179,"endTime":235.16,"body":"This is on um, X.com, um \bnée Twitter."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":235.489,"endTime":240.079,"body":"Um, and it is Jack Clark who"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":235.489,"endTime":240.079,"body":"is, um, you know, used to be"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":240.079,"endTime":242.509,"body":"at OpenAI, now is at Anthropic."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":242.525,"endTime":243.965,"body":"Very annoying policy person."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":244.234,"endTime":247.924,"body":"Um, he says, \"I find myself"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":244.234,"endTime":247.924,"body":"increasingly convinced that powerful"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":247.924,"endTime":251.494,"body":"AI systems are going to arrive in"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":247.924,"endTime":251.494,"body":"the next few years, likely during"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":251.494,"endTime":253.144,"body":"this presidential administration."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":253.535,"endTime":257.404,"body":"I think this will lead, I think"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":253.535,"endTime":257.404,"body":"this will lead to me advocating"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":257.404,"endTime":258.964,"body":"for different things in policy."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":259.704,"endTime":264.69,"body":"Published some thoughts in Import AI"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":259.704,"endTime":264.69,"body":"405.\" Which is his newsletter, and I"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":264.69,"endTime":268.77,"body":"mean, if you want to click through just"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":264.69,"endTime":268.77,"body":"the initial, like his thing, which is,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":269.34,"endTime":270.84,"body":"um, can we get to this, a screenshot."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":270.84,"endTime":277.085,"body":"So this is his first idea, which is,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":270.84,"endTime":277.085,"body":"um, \"Import A-Idea\", which is the, uh,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":277.205,"endTime":279.065,"body":"kind of the, I guess the A level idea."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":279.455,"endTime":283.925,"body":"In italics, \"What if we're right about"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":279.455,"endTime":283.925,"body":"AI timelines? What if we're wrong?\" And"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":283.925,"endTime":288.935,"body":"so basically saying that if we're right,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":283.925,"endTime":288.935,"body":"in the, in the long term, we need a"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":288.935,"endTime":292.985,"body":"third party measurement and evaluation"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":288.935,"endTime":292.985,"body":"ecosystem, which I agree that would"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":292.985,"endTime":294.755,"body":"be good, 'cause evaluation is trash."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":295.145,"endTime":299.164,"body":"Um, \"Encouraging governments to invest"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":295.145,"endTime":299.164,"body":"in further monitoring of the economy,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":299.164,"endTime":302.135,"body":"such as they have visibility on AI"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":299.164,"endTime":302.135,"body":"driven changes.\" Like, I don't know"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":302.135,"endTime":304.475,"body":"if it's gonna be that, that huge."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":305.075,"endTime":307.625,"body":"Um, \"Advocating for investments"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":305.075,"endTime":307.625,"body":"in chip manufacturing,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":307.655,"endTime":309.395,"body":"electricity generation and so on.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":309.794,"endTime":313.06,"body":"Ugggh, you're, okay, now we're"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":309.794,"endTime":313.06,"body":"going into the, the, the,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":313.175,"endTime":314.945,"body":"the hype lead in, um, place."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":314.945,"endTime":318.035,"body":"And then \"Pushing on the importance"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":314.945,"endTime":318.035,"body":"of making deeper investments in"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":318.035,"endTime":321.635,"body":"securing frontier AI developers.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":318.035,"endTime":321.635,"body":"So now we're just, like, now in"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":321.635,"endTime":324.395,"body":"any, basically goes, goes fully"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":321.635,"endTime":324.395,"body":"into the securitization part of it."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":324.395,"endTime":324.665,"body":"Wait a minute."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":324.665,"endTime":326.825,"body":"Securing AI developers?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":327.425,"endTime":328.29,"body":"Yeah, so like--"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":328.295,"endTime":329.495,"body":"Like securing people?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":329.555,"endTime":333.335,"body":"So basically, but his argument"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":329.555,"endTime":333.335,"body":"he is basically making in the next one"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":333.335,"endTime":340.13,"body":"is saying like, what we need to do,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":333.335,"endTime":340.13,"body":"um, because AGI is gonna be around the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":340.13,"endTime":344.419,"body":"corner, is that we need to basically"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":340.13,"endTime":344.419,"body":"like ensure that there's no hacking"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":344.419,"endTime":346.789,"body":"or insider threats within those labs."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":346.789,"endTime":350.989,"body":"So it's a full, like national"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":346.789,"endTime":350.989,"body":"security, sort of like-- yeah, it's,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":351.02,"endTime":352.609,"body":"it's some, it's some bad stuff."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":352.64,"endTime":354.38,"body":"It's, it's, it's pure hype."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":354.859,"endTime":359.96,"body":"Um, Jack Clark is, is, is a big"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":354.859,"endTime":359.96,"body":"hyper and used to be, I think more"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":359.989,"endTime":363.61,"body":"mellow, but is like completely"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":359.989,"endTime":363.61,"body":"just gone down the hyper train."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":363.61,"endTime":363.79,"body":"So."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":363.79,"endTime":364.03,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":364.21,"endTime":367.36,"body":"I like this comment from Abstract"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":364.21,"endTime":367.36,"body":"Tesseract: \"Every time an AI booster"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":367.36,"endTime":370.78,"body":"says, 'Find myself increasingly convinced"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":367.36,"endTime":370.78,"body":"that--' I want to respond, 'Uh, that"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":370.78,"endTime":373.48,"body":"sounds like a you problem. Can you"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":370.78,"endTime":373.48,"body":"please not make it an us problem?'\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":373.815,"endTime":374.865,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":376.0,"endTime":376.42,"body":"Uh, for sure."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":376.42,"endTime":379.15,"body":"Ahhh, all right,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":376.42,"endTime":379.15,"body":"the other thing I wanna say about"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":379.15,"endTime":384.85,"body":"this one, hold on is you cannot in"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":379.15,"endTime":384.85,"body":"March of 2025 just refer to the utter"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":384.85,"endTime":388.13,"body":"catastrophe going on in the White House"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":384.85,"endTime":388.13,"body":"as 'this presidential administration'"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":388.13,"endTime":390.14,"body":"and just like blow right by that."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":390.14,"endTime":390.35,"body":"That's--"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":390.35,"endTime":395.03,"body":"Well, it's also like, I mean"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":390.35,"endTime":395.03,"body":"it's, it's, you know, he's a policy guy."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":395.03,"endTime":398.96,"body":"He's like, whatever kind of"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":395.03,"endTime":398.96,"body":"administration's gonna help prioritize"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":398.96,"endTime":402.56,"body":"a certain kind of vision of AI policy"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":398.96,"endTime":402.56,"body":"that Anthropic is very invested in."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":402.56,"endTime":402.89,"body":"Right?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":403.01,"endTime":403.28,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":404.125,"endTime":404.415,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":404.725,"endTime":405.015,"body":"Next."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":405.355,"endTime":405.575,"body":"Ha."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":406.005,"endTime":406.765,"body":"Sebastian Bubeck."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":406.765,"endTime":412.045,"body":"Okay, so this was Bubeck's post um,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":406.765,"endTime":412.045,"body":"just before the great chat bot debate."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":412.165,"endTime":415.105,"body":"So the debate took place"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":412.165,"endTime":415.105,"body":"on March 25th, I think."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":415.465,"endTime":420.085,"body":"Um, and ahead of time Bubeck posted, I'm--"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":415.465,"endTime":420.085,"body":"This is LinkedIn-- \"I'm looking forward"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":420.295,"endTime":423.865,"body":"to celebrate tomorrow the two years"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":420.295,"endTime":423.865,"body":"of the 'sparks' paper with a debate at"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":423.865,"endTime":427.195,"body":"the Computer History Museum in Mountain"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":423.865,"endTime":427.195,"body":"View on 'Do LLMs really understand?'"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":427.795,"endTime":430.645,"body":"So much has happened in the last two"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":427.795,"endTime":430.645,"body":"years, I think it's fair to say that"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":430.645,"endTime":435.275,"body":"almost all the predictions in 'sparks'"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":430.645,"endTime":435.275,"body":"came true.\" And, and then he's got,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":435.335,"endTime":436.985,"body":"oh no, actually it's, it's even worse."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":436.985,"endTime":440.925,"body":"So, \"We now routinely have articles"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":436.985,"endTime":440.925,"body":"like the following, by authors/fields"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":440.945,"endTime":444.005,"body":"who were not quite convinced two"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":440.945,"endTime":444.005,"body":"years ago: 'Powerful AI is coming."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":444.035,"endTime":445.435,"body":"We're not ready,' by Kevin Roose."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":445.745,"endTime":448.205,"body":"'The government knows AGI"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":445.745,"endTime":448.205,"body":"is coming,' by Ezra Klein."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":448.675,"endTime":451.505,"body":"'OpenAI's metafictional short"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":448.675,"endTime":451.505,"body":"story about grief is beautiful"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":451.505,"endTime":453.025,"body":"and moving' by Jeanette Winterson."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":453.965,"endTime":458.44,"body":"And the coach for the US Math Olympiad"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":453.965,"endTime":458.44,"body":"Team, Po-Shen Loh, 'My main work nowadays"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":458.44,"endTime":461.59,"body":"is to build and scale up a community"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":458.44,"endTime":461.59,"body":"of people, through education, to face"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":461.59,"endTime":463.45,"body":"the challenges of the AI age together."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":463.63,"endTime":464.83,"body":"I thought I had more years."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":464.86,"endTime":468.04,"body":"Now we have to move faster.' Where"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":464.86,"endTime":468.04,"body":"will we be two years from now?\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":468.76,"endTime":469.0,"body":"And--"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":469.0,"endTime":469.335,"body":"Good Lord."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":470.2,"endTime":472.45,"body":"So first of all, if"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":470.2,"endTime":472.45,"body":"you go back to the \"sparks\" paper,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":472.48,"endTime":474.99,"body":"it's not actually making predictions."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":475.1,"endTime":476.09,"body":"Right?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":476.09,"endTime":476.4,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":477.64,"endTime":477.88,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":477.88,"endTime":478.96,"body":"There, no, yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":478.96,"endTime":482.05,"body":"We were talking about this in the group"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":478.96,"endTime":482.05,"body":"chat with, with with Meg Mitchell,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":482.05,"endTime":484.445,"body":"who was on last, last episode too."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":484.825,"endTime":487.775,"body":"Yeah, she just like looked, we're"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":484.825,"endTime":487.775,"body":"like, did he make predictions?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":487.775,"endTime":487.955,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":487.955,"endTime":491.015,"body":"There's no predictions that are made."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":491.225,"endTime":497.795,"body":"And, uh, and uh, our producer"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":491.225,"endTime":497.795,"body":"Friday, uh, sorry, not Friday."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":497.795,"endTime":498.815,"body":"That's her derby name."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":498.815,"endTime":499.295,"body":"Christie."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":500.045,"endTime":504.844,"body":"Um said in, in our group chat, \"*Slaps"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":500.045,"endTime":504.844,"body":"the top of sparks paper* This baby"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":504.844,"endTime":506.615,"body":"can hold so much elite capture.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":506.675,"endTime":506.915,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":507.15,"endTime":507.31,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":507.725,"endTime":512.015,"body":"It's like Kevin Roose and Ezra"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":507.725,"endTime":512.015,"body":"Klein talking about AGI or AI"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":512.015,"endTime":514.405,"body":"coming is not evidence of anything."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":514.624,"endTime":517.934,"body":"Except maybe their cred,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":514.624,"endTime":517.934,"body":"credulousness, credulosity?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":517.954,"endTime":518.374,"body":"Something."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":518.704,"endTime":519.155,"body":"Sure."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":519.694,"endTime":522.775,"body":"It's also the fact that, yeah, like,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":519.694,"endTime":522.775,"body":"yeah, I mean, don't get me started"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":522.775,"endTime":526.855,"body":"on Ezra Klein and his new book"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":522.775,"endTime":526.855,"body":"and how it's titled Abundance and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":526.855,"endTime":528.265,"body":"it's about like government waste."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":528.265,"endTime":529.975,"body":"And you're like, not now, dude."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":530.005,"endTime":531.81,"body":"Like, what are you,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":530.005,"endTime":531.81,"body":"like, what are you doing?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":532.2,"endTime":533.77,"body":"Yeah, yeah, exactly."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":534.71,"endTime":535.61,"body":"Uh, all right, next."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":536.11,"endTime":537.325,"body":"You wanna take the lead on this one?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":537.325,"endTime":537.415,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":537.619,"endTime":539.119,"body":"So talk about Anthropic some more."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":539.119,"endTime":545.539,"body":"So there's these like very, um, like"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":539.119,"endTime":545.539,"body":"Sears photo studio picture of, uh,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":545.569,"endTime":548.149,"body":"Daniela and Dario Amodei of Anthropic."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":548.149,"endTime":551.869,"body":"And, and it's this very glowing, um,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":548.149,"endTime":551.869,"body":"although it's not, they're not like"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":551.869,"endTime":554.509,"body":"looking down the barrel, they're"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":551.869,"endTime":554.509,"body":"looking, but the backgrounds are"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":554.509,"endTime":557.775,"body":"like, I went to Sears with my mom"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":554.509,"endTime":557.775,"body":"and she made me wear a bow tie."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":558.175,"endTime":563.765,"body":"And so then like the, uh, so below"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":558.175,"endTime":563.765,"body":"them the title, this is from Wired"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":563.765,"endTime":567.335,"body":"and Wired, doing a lot of good stuff"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":563.765,"endTime":567.335,"body":"these days, but a lot of shit stuff."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":567.335,"endTime":567.635,"body":"And this is--"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":567.635,"endTime":568.235,"body":"This is a miss."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":568.235,"endTime":568.325,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":568.33,"endTime":572.314,"body":"This is by, this is by"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":568.33,"endTime":572.314,"body":"Steven Levy who, um, is, you know,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":572.435,"endTime":576.425,"body":"was editor in chief, I think has a"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":572.435,"endTime":576.425,"body":"high, uh, position at Wired, is like"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":576.425,"endTime":581.09,"body":"one of the, has been a big technol,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":576.425,"endTime":581.09,"body":"technological optimist for a long time."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":581.45,"endTime":585.38,"body":"Anyways, the title is, \"If Anthropic"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":581.45,"endTime":585.38,"body":"Succeeds, a Nation of Benevolent"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":585.38,"endTime":590.3,"body":"AI Geniuses Could Be Born,\" uh, the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":585.38,"endTime":590.3,"body":"broth and then the, the subhead is,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":590.3,"endTime":593.9,"body":"\"The brother goes On vision quests,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":590.3,"endTime":593.9,"body":"the sister is a former English major."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":593.93,"endTime":598.33,"body":"Together, they defected from OpenAI,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":593.93,"endTime":598.33,"body":"started Anthropic, and built, they say,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":598.33,"endTime":600.63,"body":"AI's most upstanding citizen Claude.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":601.18,"endTime":603.069,"body":"Um, I don't even want to get into this."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":603.069,"endTime":603.25,"body":"This is--"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":603.25,"endTime":605.14,"body":"We don't need to go"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":603.25,"endTime":605.14,"body":"into the body of the article, but there's"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":605.14,"endTime":606.67,"body":"so much in the head and subhead here."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":606.67,"endTime":612.76,"body":"So, \"AI geniuses,\" by which they mean"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":606.67,"endTime":612.76,"body":"artificial intelligence systems, not"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":612.76,"endTime":616.33,"body":"the people building them, \"could be"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":612.76,"endTime":616.33,"body":"born.\" So something's giving birth"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":616.33,"endTime":619.545,"body":"to either the nation of these things"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":616.33,"endTime":619.545,"body":"or the things, which is weird."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":619.545,"endTime":624.38,"body":"\"Defecting from OpenAI\" makes it"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":619.545,"endTime":624.38,"body":"sound like it's a, um you know,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":624.38,"endTime":627.95,"body":"totalitarian government, um, and--"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":627.95,"endTime":629.36,"body":"They wish I, I guess."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":630.29,"endTime":630.41,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":630.62,"endTime":634.76,"body":"And then referring to Claude as"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":630.62,"endTime":634.76,"body":"a citizen is just so infuriating."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":635.12,"endTime":635.54,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":635.6,"endTime":637.46,"body":"There's a lot of, there's"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":635.6,"endTime":637.46,"body":"a lot of trash here."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":637.81,"endTime":642.05,"body":"SJayLett in the chat goes, \"Steven Levy"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":637.81,"endTime":642.05,"body":"is not where you go for tech journalism.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":642.36,"endTime":642.78,"body":"Agreed."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":642.78,"endTime":643.75,"body":"Yeah, oof."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":644.34,"endTime":645.01,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":645.58,"endTime":646.36,"body":"Next."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":646.59,"endTime":647.854,"body":"This one I've scrolled down."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":647.854,"endTime":649.055,"body":"This is an arXiv paper."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":649.114,"endTime":651.274,"body":"Um, and we'll go up to the top to"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":649.114,"endTime":651.274,"body":"get the title of it in a second."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":651.274,"endTime":657.035,"body":"But first I just want everyone to admire"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":651.274,"endTime":657.035,"body":"this horrific use of a, uh, brain diagram."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":657.454,"endTime":661.954,"body":"Um, so this is Figure 1.1 in this paper,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":657.454,"endTime":661.954,"body":"uh, and the caption is \"Illustration of"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":661.954,"endTime":666.42,"body":"key human brain functionalities grouped by"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":661.954,"endTime":666.42,"body":"major brain regions. Annotated according"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":666.42,"endTime":670.17,"body":"to their current exploration level in"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":666.42,"endTime":670.17,"body":"AI research. This figure highlights"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":670.17,"endTime":673.68,"body":"existing achievements, gaps and potential"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":670.17,"endTime":673.68,"body":"opportunities for advancing artificial"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":673.68,"endTime":677.85,"body":"intelligence towards more comprehensive"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":673.68,"endTime":677.85,"body":"brain inspired capabilities.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":679.17,"endTime":682.17,"body":"Yeah, this is, this is"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":679.17,"endTime":682.17,"body":"such a terrible, you know, this has"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":682.17,"endTime":685.025,"body":"got a brain and it's got three levels."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":685.185,"endTime":686.535,"body":"L1, L2, L3."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":686.555,"endTime":690.395,"body":"So L1, \"Well developed in current"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":686.555,"endTime":690.395,"body":"AI.\" L2, \"Moderately explored with"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":690.395,"endTime":693.035,"body":"partial progress.\" And L3, \"Rarely"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":690.395,"endTime":693.035,"body":"explored; significant room for"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":693.035,"endTime":695.734,"body":"research.\" And it's like pointing."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":695.885,"endTime":698.405,"body":"And so I'm like, well,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":695.885,"endTime":698.405,"body":"what's in the, the brainstem?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":698.405,"endTime":700.525,"body":"So like reflexive responses, L1."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":701.015,"endTime":706.055,"body":"So like, and will an LLM tell you"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":701.015,"endTime":706.055,"body":"that you need to pee or breathe?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":706.324,"endTime":708.724,"body":"Like I am wondering what this means."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":709.594,"endTime":713.284,"body":"Oh and language"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":709.594,"endTime":713.284,"body":"comprehension and production is"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":713.284,"endTime":714.754,"body":"considered well developed in current AI."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":717.334,"endTime":721.805,"body":"Production, yes, as in we're"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":717.334,"endTime":721.805,"body":"swimming in synthetic text, but"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":721.805,"endTime":723.574,"body":"comprehension absolutely not."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":723.935,"endTime":725.645,"body":"Also facial expression processing?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":725.704,"endTime":727.685,"body":"I was gonna remark"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":725.704,"endTime":727.685,"body":"on that facial expression part."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":727.714,"endTime":732.26,"body":"Oh, you mean the, you mean like"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":727.714,"endTime":732.26,"body":"phren-- the, um, physi, physiognomy?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":732.275,"endTime":732.574,"body":"And--"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":733.084,"endTime":733.295,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":733.295,"endTime":734.125,"body":"Physiognomy."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":734.141,"endTime":734.435,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":734.435,"endTime":736.505,"body":"Physiognomy and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":734.435,"endTime":736.505,"body":"like emotion recognition."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":736.505,"endTime":737.745,"body":"Like, hmm, okay."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":738.584,"endTime":738.785,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":739.375,"endTime":740.525,"body":"But ugh."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":740.704,"endTime":743.464,"body":"And then the moderately, well one"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":740.704,"endTime":743.464,"body":"is also a little bit annoying, so,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":743.584,"endTime":745.64,"body":"uh, skill learning, apparently."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":745.979,"endTime":749.689,"body":"Attention, because they called"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":745.979,"endTime":749.689,"body":"that one thing attention."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":749.689,"endTime":751.13,"body":"I'm sort of surprised they"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":749.689,"endTime":751.13,"body":"didn't put this one in green."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":751.13,"endTime":755.75,"body":"All right, so we need to at least give"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":751.13,"endTime":755.75,"body":"credit where credit is due on this paper."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":756.74,"endTime":760.67,"body":"Um, so the title of the paper is \"Advances"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":756.74,"endTime":760.67,"body":"and Challenges in Foundation Agents.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":761.66,"endTime":763.459,"body":"So foundation models wasn't good enough."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":763.459,"endTime":764.76,"body":"Now we have foundation agents."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":765.06,"endTime":767.479,"body":"\"From brain inspired"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":765.06,"endTime":767.479,"body":"intelligence to evolutionary"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":767.479,"endTime":769.64,"body":"collaborative and safe systems.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":769.88,"endTime":771.8,"body":"This is an arXiv pre pre-print."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":771.8,"endTime":774.17,"body":"I hate calling it pre-print"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":771.8,"endTime":774.17,"body":"because it's not like it's actually"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":774.17,"endTime":775.25,"body":"gonna get published somewhere."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":775.579,"endTime":778.13,"body":"Um, from March 31st, 2025."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":778.189,"endTime":783.53,"body":"Long list of authors, um, from a"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":778.189,"endTime":783.53,"body":"long list of, um, uh, affiliations."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":783.53,"endTime":785.51,"body":"The, oh, interesting."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":785.93,"endTime":789.02,"body":"The order of affiliations doesn't"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":785.93,"endTime":789.02,"body":"match the order of authors."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":789.65,"endTime":790.339,"body":"That's kind of weird."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":790.339,"endTime":793.61,"body":"It's, yeah, it's,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":790.339,"endTime":793.61,"body":"they're, I don't know why."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":793.61,"endTime":799.069,"body":"So MetaGPT is first and then, but the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":793.61,"endTime":799.069,"body":"first author is affiliated with, uh,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":799.069,"endTime":805.969,"body":"University of Montréal-Mila, and number"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":799.069,"endTime":805.969,"body":"20, which is, uh, uh, CIFAR AI Chair."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":805.969,"endTime":809.009,"body":"So this person actually is a"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":805.969,"endTime":809.009,"body":"chair position at, in CIFAR"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":809.03,"endTime":811.339,"body":"which is, uh, unfortunate."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":811.339,"endTime":813.05,"body":"But also common."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":814.009,"endTime":814.28,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":814.849,"endTime":815.18,"body":"Huh."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":815.209,"endTime":815.749,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":815.899,"endTime":818.399,"body":"So now this brings us to our first chaser."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":819.729,"endTime":822.739,"body":"This is something that our producer"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":819.729,"endTime":822.739,"body":"Christie showed us and it was sort"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":822.739,"endTime":827.03,"body":"of in reaction to, uh, Bubeck talking"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":822.739,"endTime":827.03,"body":"up the \"draw a unicorn\" thing as a"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":827.03,"endTime":828.8,"body":"really important moment with GPT-4."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":829.129,"endTime":833.569,"body":"And apparently there's a project, um,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":829.129,"endTime":833.569,"body":"where if we go to the blog post here, um."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":834.634,"endTime":840.454,"body":"Adam K. Dean, um, GPT Unicorn, \"A daily"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":834.634,"endTime":840.454,"body":"exploration of GPT-4's image generation"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":840.454,"endTime":847.744,"body":"capabilities.\" And so this is just every"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":840.454,"endTime":847.744,"body":"day instructing GPT-4 to draw unicorn."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":849.185,"endTime":850.264,"body":"What do you see, Alex?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":850.295,"endTime":851.349,"body":"Well, this is interesting."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":851.53,"endTime":855.124,"body":"So this is like kind of a,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":851.53,"endTime":855.124,"body":"it seems so random, right?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":855.155,"endTime":860.224,"body":"'cause it, it differs all the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":855.155,"endTime":860.224,"body":"way from, uh oh, this one on like"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":860.615,"endTime":863.555,"body":"March 26th kind of looks cute."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":863.645,"endTime":868.475,"body":"It's like this little smiley face"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":863.645,"endTime":868.475,"body":"on a piece of cotton looking blurb."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":868.475,"endTime":870.334,"body":"And then, but it's so different."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":870.334,"endTime":870.665,"body":"Like--"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":870.76,"endTime":872.528,"body":"Oh, this"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":870.76,"endTime":872.528,"body":"the 27th this one here?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":872.528,"endTime":875.704,"body":"Yeah, the 27th and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":872.528,"endTime":875.704,"body":"then the 30th is like an egg upon"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":875.704,"endTime":877.775,"body":"another egg upon another egg."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":878.435,"endTime":881.975,"body":"So this is this, I hadn't seen this."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":882.094,"endTime":882.725,"body":"How weird."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":882.995,"endTime":883.385,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":883.655,"endTime":884.714,"body":"It's very, very odd."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":885.005,"endTime":890.285,"body":"Um, and I mean, it's, it's, I think it's,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":885.005,"endTime":890.285,"body":"it's a fun project and some of them are"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":890.285,"endTime":894.124,"body":"just like blobs and some of them are like"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":890.285,"endTime":894.124,"body":"things that look like maybe unicorn pieces"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":894.124,"endTime":896.374,"body":"if you really add a lot of interpretation."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":896.374,"endTime":899.854,"body":"This one looks like a"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":896.374,"endTime":899.854,"body":"bird wearing glasses?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":900.785,"endTime":904.685,"body":"Anyway, that takes us to"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":900.785,"endTime":904.685,"body":"the end of the first batch."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":904.954,"endTime":906.905,"body":"And now I have to get"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":904.954,"endTime":906.905,"body":"us to our next one here."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":906.905,"endTime":910.204,"body":"I'm gonna set it up so that I can see"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":906.905,"endTime":910.204,"body":"it right away when, when you all can."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":910.535,"endTime":914.135,"body":"This one is education and"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":910.535,"endTime":914.135,"body":"the information ecosystem."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":914.675,"endTime":915.155,"body":"Um."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":915.784,"endTime":919.414,"body":"And here it comes and"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":915.784,"endTime":919.414,"body":"get into the first one."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":920.494,"endTime":921.034,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":921.724,"endTime":925.814,"body":"Um, this one, oh, did I actually"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":921.724,"endTime":925.814,"body":"finally get through with Archive.is?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":925.834,"endTime":926.284,"body":"I did."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":926.284,"endTime":926.734,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":927.154,"endTime":930.484,"body":"Uh, this is by the Wall Street"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":927.154,"endTime":930.484,"body":"Journal staff on March 20th, 2025."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":930.484,"endTime":934.744,"body":"\"Got tax questions? The Wall Street"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":930.484,"endTime":934.744,"body":"Journal's AI bot has answers. The"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":934.744,"endTime":936.935,"body":"Wall Street Journal's tax assistant"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":934.744,"endTime":936.935,"body":"can help you find what you need"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":936.935,"endTime":939.154,"body":"from our articles and IRS guides.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":941.435,"endTime":942.094,"body":"Bad idea."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":942.574,"endTime":944.254,"body":"Yeah, exactly."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":944.374,"endTime":946.474,"body":"Sort of thing where you"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":944.374,"endTime":946.474,"body":"actually need some answers."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":947.194,"endTime":950.194,"body":"Um, and somewhere there's a, there's"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":947.194,"endTime":950.194,"body":"a disclaimer that says, you know,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":950.314,"endTime":951.754,"body":"this might be wrong, of course."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":952.265,"endTime":952.595,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":952.595,"endTime":955.145,"body":"At the end, \"The Journal's tax"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":952.595,"endTime":955.145,"body":"reporters and editors have reviewed"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":955.145,"endTime":958.265,"body":"the system's knowledge--\" Which"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":955.145,"endTime":958.265,"body":"I'm assuming the training data."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":958.745,"endTime":960.965,"body":"\"--but don't verify each response.\" Right."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":961.385,"endTime":964.355,"body":"\"Users should consult tax"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":961.385,"endTime":964.355,"body":"professionals for advice.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":964.445,"endTime":965.855,"body":"Well, okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":966.515,"endTime":968.375,"body":"And, \"Lars is"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":966.515,"endTime":968.375,"body":"instructed to provide factual"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":968.375,"endTime":971.615,"body":"information and direct users to relevant"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":968.375,"endTime":971.615,"body":"resources, not to offer personalized"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":971.615,"endTime":975.455,"body":"tax advice.\" 'Lars is instructed"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":971.615,"endTime":975.455,"body":"to' is sort of a pointer forward to"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":975.455,"endTime":976.685,"body":"something we're gonna get to later."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":976.835,"endTime":977.465,"body":"Yeah, totally."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":977.745,"endTime":979.305,"body":"All right, so"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":977.745,"endTime":979.305,"body":"this is just the same thing."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":979.665,"endTime":980.025,"body":"Um."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":980.085,"endTime":980.415,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":980.415,"endTime":983.595,"body":"This is, uh, from Futurism by Joe Wilkins."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":983.595,"endTime":988.125,"body":"So, \"Man annoyed when ChatGPT tells"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":983.595,"endTime":988.125,"body":"users he murdered his children in"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":988.125,"endTime":990.525,"body":"cold blood.\" Hate when that happens."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":990.855,"endTime":994.334,"body":"And the sticker here is"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":990.855,"endTime":994.334,"body":"\"Bad dad.\" Which is nice."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":994.755,"endTime":999.945,"body":"And then there's an image of like"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":994.755,"endTime":999.945,"body":"a dad looking man, white man, uh,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":999.975,"endTime":1006.009,"body":"pointing to himself and I'm assuming"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":999.975,"endTime":1006.009,"body":"a wife with a crossed arms and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1006.009,"endTime":1008.159,"body":"two horrified looking children."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1008.819,"endTime":1010.209,"body":"Um, so let's see."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1011.484,"endTime":1012.625,"body":"This"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1011.484,"endTime":1012.625,"body":"starts off annoyingly."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1012.625,"endTime":1013.675,"body":"Yeah, very."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1014.005,"endTime":1014.244,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1014.244,"endTime":1017.425,"body":"It says, \"When it comes to the life"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1014.244,"endTime":1017.425,"body":"of tech, generative AI is still"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1017.425,"endTime":1022.104,"body":"just an infant.\" Very annoying,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1017.425,"endTime":1022.104,"body":"uh, parallelism to children, uh,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1022.135,"endTime":1023.274,"body":"which we've talked about a lot."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1023.544,"endTime":1026.155,"body":"\"Though we've seen tons of AI hype,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1023.544,"endTime":1026.155,"body":"even though most advanced models are"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1026.155,"endTime":1028.915,"body":"still prone to wild hallucinations, like"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1026.155,"endTime":1028.915,"body":"lying about medical records or writing"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1028.915,"endTime":1030.585,"body":"research reports based on rumors.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1031.224,"endTime":1032.754,"body":"Um, yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1032.754,"endTime":1035.155,"body":"And then there's some reporting and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1032.754,"endTime":1035.155,"body":"it says, \"According to TechCrunch"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1035.155,"endTime":1038.645,"body":"ChatGPT told the man he had murder two"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1035.155,"endTime":1038.645,"body":"of his sons and tried to kill a third."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1039.065,"endTime":1043.595,"body":"Though Holmen--\" Which is, this is"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1039.065,"endTime":1043.595,"body":"the person's name, um, \"--didn't know,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1043.595,"endTime":1046.954,"body":"he had apparently spent the past 21"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1043.595,"endTime":1046.954,"body":"years in prison for his crimes, or"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1046.954,"endTime":1048.815,"body":"at least according to the chat bot.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1050.155,"endTime":1050.935,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1051.405,"endTime":1051.465,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1051.785,"endTime":1055.985,"body":"So apparently he's, he's trying"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1051.785,"endTime":1055.985,"body":"to file a complaint on, with the"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1055.985,"endTime":1060.425,"body":"Norwegian Data Protection Authority,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1055.985,"endTime":1060.425,"body":"um, which is interesting, like the,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1060.425,"endTime":1063.305,"body":"the request, sorry, I'm trying to"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1060.425,"endTime":1063.305,"body":"get rid of all of these moving ads."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1063.575,"endTime":1064.055,"body":"Um."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1065.23,"endTime":1068.26,"body":"There's somewhere in here where"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1065.23,"endTime":1068.26,"body":"it's like, uh, trying to get"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1068.26,"endTime":1069.76,"body":"the OpenAI to take this out."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1069.76,"endTime":1070.09,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1070.3,"endTime":1073.75,"body":"Um, \"asking the agency to order OpenAI"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1070.3,"endTime":1073.75,"body":"to delete the defamatory output and fine"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1073.75,"endTime":1079.389,"body":"tune its model to eliminate inaccurate"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1073.75,"endTime":1079.389,"body":"results.\" And then the, uh, journalist"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1079.389,"endTime":1083.8,"body":"adds, \"a nearly impossible task.\" I"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1079.389,"endTime":1083.8,"body":"would say an actually impossible task."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1085.36,"endTime":1088.78,"body":"What's interesting here is like,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1085.36,"endTime":1088.78,"body":"that's not, and on one level,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1088.78,"endTime":1090.76,"body":"that's not a reasonable thing to"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1088.78,"endTime":1090.76,"body":"ask because it's not possible."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1090.76,"endTime":1092.71,"body":"But on the other hand, if it's"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1090.76,"endTime":1092.71,"body":"not possible, then maybe these"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1092.71,"endTime":1094.05,"body":"things shouldn't be out there."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1094.56,"endTime":1098.35,"body":"Right, so it'd be great if the Norwegian"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1094.56,"endTime":1098.35,"body":"Data Protection Authority can do this."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1098.62,"endTime":1101.23,"body":"Um, and there's a great thing in"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1098.62,"endTime":1101.23,"body":"the chat, Abstract Tesseract again:"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1101.23,"endTime":1102.97,"body":"\"The Nordic noir no one asked for.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1105.58,"endTime":1106.09,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1107.725,"endTime":1109.524,"body":"Did you, have you seen this one, Alex?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1109.585,"endTime":1111.084,"body":"No, I didn't see this one."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1111.114,"endTime":1111.314,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1111.705,"endTime":1112.36,"body":"You wanna say it?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1112.49,"endTime":1113.04,"body":"Wanna read?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1113.04,"endTime":1113.24,"body":"Read it."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1113.24,"endTime":1113.241,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1113.241,"endTime":1116.784,"body":"So this is uh, 404 Media, Jason"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1113.241,"endTime":1116.784,"body":"Koebler, March 26th, 2025."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1116.815,"endTime":1122.065,"body":"\"AOL's AI image captions terribly"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1116.815,"endTime":1122.065,"body":"describe attempted murder.\" Um, and"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1122.215,"endTime":1125.815,"body":"one example here is, \"A couple smiling"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1122.215,"endTime":1125.815,"body":"on a beach at sunset associated"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1125.815,"endTime":1127.105,"body":"with Hawaii doctor incident.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1127.405,"endTime":1127.885,"body":"So."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1128.35,"endTime":1132.939,"body":"Apparently there's a, a"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1128.35,"endTime":1132.939,"body":"story about a, um, a doctor."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1132.939,"endTime":1136.239,"body":"So the article, \"Top doctor allegedly"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1132.939,"endTime":1136.239,"body":"tried pushing wife off Hawaii beauty"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1136.239,"endTime":1140.274,"body":"spot in wild homicide attempt,\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1136.239,"endTime":1140.274,"body":"and then there's some uh, pictures."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1140.544,"endTime":1143.695,"body":"This was syndicated on the"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1140.544,"endTime":1143.695,"body":"website Bored Panda, which okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1143.965,"endTime":1148.075,"body":"Um, and the Bored Panda version, there's"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1143.965,"endTime":1148.075,"body":"no image captions, but on the AOL.com"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1148.075,"endTime":1152.575,"body":"version of the article, um, there's"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1148.075,"endTime":1152.575,"body":"these weird captions like, \"A man"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1152.575,"endTime":1156.115,"body":"smiling in a park setting with a dog,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1152.575,"endTime":1156.115,"body":"related to a top doctor news story.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1157.345,"endTime":1159.895,"body":"And first of all, AOL.com still exists?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1161.02,"endTime":1168.7,"body":"I mean, I'm, I think AOL"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1161.02,"endTime":1168.7,"body":"as the formerly common used service had"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1168.7,"endTime":1174.79,"body":"been sort of reimagined and kind of sold"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1168.7,"endTime":1174.79,"body":"for various parts and now I guess as a"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1174.79,"endTime":1180.76,"body":"landing spot for people trying to get"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1174.79,"endTime":1180.76,"body":"clicks, like a lot of websites are, right?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1181.3,"endTime":1181.69,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1181.895,"endTime":1182.185,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1183.01,"endTime":1186.82,"body":"Um, and so this is"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1183.01,"endTime":1186.82,"body":"reminding me of what Meg Mitchell"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1186.82,"endTime":1190.16,"body":"calls the \"everything is awesome\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1186.82,"endTime":1190.16,"body":"problem in image captioning."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1190.31,"endTime":1193.929,"body":"Where the, the underlying data,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1190.31,"endTime":1193.929,"body":"like the things that people post"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1193.929,"endTime":1196.779,"body":"pictures of online, and then that"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1193.929,"endTime":1196.779,"body":"serves the basis of the data sets"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1196.779,"endTime":1199.749,"body":"that are scraped, has a lot of people"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1196.779,"endTime":1199.749,"body":"talking about how great things are."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1199.959,"endTime":1202.419,"body":"And so that's what comes"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1199.959,"endTime":1202.419,"body":"out of these systems."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1202.449,"endTime":1202.779,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1204.1,"endTime":1204.37,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1204.55,"endTime":1205.659,"body":"I'm give you this next one, \"Pivot to AI.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1206.08,"endTime":1211.209,"body":"So this is from Pivot to AI"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1206.08,"endTime":1211.209,"body":"and the folks, David Gerard, um, posts"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1211.209,"endTime":1216.64,"body":"a lot of, um stuff that is very similar"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1211.209,"endTime":1216.64,"body":"to our kind of all, all Hell stuff."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1216.97,"endTime":1222.28,"body":"But this is, um, the headline here,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1216.97,"endTime":1222.28,"body":"\"AI coding tools quote, 'fix bugs' by"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1222.28,"endTime":1229.54,"body":"adding bugs,\" and the sticker is \"code"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1222.28,"endTime":1229.54,"body":"completion.\" And so, um, \"LLMs regurgitate"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1229.54,"endTime":1231.49,"body":"a version of whatever they're trained on."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1231.49,"endTime":1234.195,"body":"If you train them on typically"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1231.49,"endTime":1234.195,"body":"buggy code, that suggests you'll"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1234.195,"endTime":1235.754,"body":"get back typically buggy code.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1236.205,"endTime":1237.915,"body":"Uh, so this is a preprint."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1238.334,"endTime":1242.384,"body":"Um, so, \"In a new preprint, 'LLMs are"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1238.334,"endTime":1242.384,"body":"Bug Replicators,' the researchers went"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1242.384,"endTime":1247.225,"body":"out and tested this hypothesis. They gave"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1242.384,"endTime":1247.225,"body":"seven LLMs on--they gave seven LMS on"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1247.225,"endTime":1249.235,"body":"Java code--\" This is a weird sentence."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1249.534,"endTime":1253.554,"body":"\"--from the Defects4J and the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1249.534,"endTime":1253.554,"body":"ConDefects collections of common"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1253.554,"endTime":1256.794,"body":"logical errors in open source"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1253.554,"endTime":1256.794,"body":"code and told them to fix bugs."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1257.485,"endTime":1260.304,"body":"What happens when you give an LLM"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1257.485,"endTime":1260.304,"body":"buggy code and tell it to fix it?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1260.304,"endTime":1261.294,"body":"It puts in bugs."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1261.294,"endTime":1266.27,"body":"It might put back the same bug!\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1261.294,"endTime":1266.27,"body":"And so, and then, \"Worse yet,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1266.27,"endTime":1269.449,"body":"44 percent of the bugs the LLMs"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1266.27,"endTime":1269.449,"body":"make are previously known bugs."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1269.449,"endTime":1272.79,"body":"That number's 82 percent for GPT-4o--\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1273.29,"endTime":1273.409,"body":"Yay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1273.814,"endTime":1275.475,"body":"They won, 82 percent."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1275.695,"endTime":1275.895,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1275.895,"endTime":1281.899,"body":"They won the the human's last test"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1275.895,"endTime":1281.899,"body":"contest by introducing the most bugs."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1282.499,"endTime":1286.079,"body":"Um, \"So it looks like the common"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1282.499,"endTime":1286.079,"body":"bugs are all standard through--due"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1286.629,"endTime":1288.55,"body":"to standard training.\" I don't"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1286.629,"endTime":1288.55,"body":"know what that means either."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1288.98,"endTime":1293.469,"body":"\"'In bug prone tasks, the likelihood of"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1288.98,"endTime":1293.469,"body":"LLMs generating correct code is nearly"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1293.469,"endTime":1294.76,"body":"the same as generating buggy code.'\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1295.81,"endTime":1296.11,"body":"Yep."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1296.5,"endTime":1298.12,"body":"So pretty, pretty bad."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1298.12,"endTime":1300.1,"body":"Who the click--can you"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1298.12,"endTime":1300.1,"body":"click the arXiv paper?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1300.1,"endTime":1302.409,"body":"I I, remember reading this headline."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1302.409,"endTime":1307.044,"body":"So this is from um, this"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1302.409,"endTime":1307.044,"body":"is--oh, it's actually published."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1307.135,"endTime":1308.695,"body":"Um, it's actually an old paper."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1308.879,"endTime":1309.459,"body":"Old paper, yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1309.465,"endTime":1309.685,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1309.685,"endTime":1311.605,"body":"So this is from 2021."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1312.205,"endTime":1313.835,"body":"Um, although maybe--"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1313.835,"endTime":1315.985,"body":"Wait, then how"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1313.835,"endTime":1315.985,"body":"are they testing GPT-4o in 2021?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1315.99,"endTime":1316.58,"body":"What's going on here?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1316.645,"endTime":1320.215,"body":"Maybe that's some"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1316.645,"endTime":1320.215,"body":"bad reporting in terms of Gerard."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1320.574,"endTime":1322.659,"body":"Just wanna"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1320.574,"endTime":1322.659,"body":"scroll down to their evaluation."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1323.289,"endTime":1323.799,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1323.919,"endTime":1325.28,"body":"No, they're"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1323.919,"endTime":1325.28,"body":"claiming to do GPT-4o."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1325.299,"endTime":1326.979,"body":"So I think, you know"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1325.299,"endTime":1326.979,"body":"what this probably is?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1327.639,"endTime":1330.999,"body":"They probably are submitting it to IEEE"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1327.639,"endTime":1330.999,"body":"Transactions on Software Engineering."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1331.109,"endTime":1332.409,"body":"And this is the default."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1332.779,"endTime":1333.98,"body":"That's the,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1332.779,"endTime":1333.98,"body":"that's the default thing."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1334.08,"endTime":1334.28,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1334.28,"endTime":1334.55,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1334.6,"endTime":1334.959,"body":"Got it."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1335.409,"endTime":1336.759,"body":"Uh, I was like, wait, what?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1336.759,"endTime":1341.56,"body":"That's a little-- so the, now we're"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1336.759,"endTime":1341.56,"body":"looking at a kind of a top line table."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1341.979,"endTime":1346.0,"body":"Um, which, uh, which is the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1341.979,"endTime":1346.0,"body":"analysis of code quality."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1346.57,"endTime":1349.479,"body":"Um, I don't know how to read this"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1346.57,"endTime":1349.479,"body":"'cause I read this paper, but I was"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1349.479,"endTime":1351.07,"body":"just trying to see who the authors were."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1351.07,"endTime":1351.31,"body":"So."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1351.31,"endTime":1352.309,"body":"Oh, lemme"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1351.31,"endTime":1352.309,"body":"take us back to the top then."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1352.309,"endTime":1352.37,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1352.37,"endTime":1354.17,"body":"Now that we"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1352.37,"endTime":1354.17,"body":"figured out that it is, recent."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1354.17,"endTime":1358.58,"body":"So this is, um, Liwei um, Guo?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1358.58,"endTime":1359.33,"body":"Liwei Guo."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1359.35,"endTime":1363.37,"body":"And then, um, a few folks,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1359.35,"endTime":1363.37,"body":"just trying to find the institution,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1363.37,"endTime":1364.479,"body":"but they don't have it listed."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1364.479,"endTime":1364.81,"body":"They don't have it."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1365.22,"endTime":1367.309,"body":"Maybe if we back up and look"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1365.22,"endTime":1367.309,"body":"in the landing page here"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1367.309,"endTime":1368.37,"body":"it will tell us something?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1368.899,"endTime":1369.209,"body":"No."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1369.59,"endTime":1370.34,"body":"Anyways, okay."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1370.36,"endTime":1370.96,"body":"It doesn't matter."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1370.965,"endTime":1371.264,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1371.264,"endTime":1371.465,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1371.465,"endTime":1371.5,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1371.679,"endTime":1372.07,"body":"Alright."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1372.939,"endTime":1375.189,"body":"But you get to do this because"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1372.939,"endTime":1375.189,"body":"you're the one who spotted it."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1375.37,"endTime":1375.7,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1375.7,"endTime":1380.995,"body":"So I'm walking home, uh, from a flight"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1375.7,"endTime":1380.995,"body":"on, what day did I come back, Friday."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1381.265,"endTime":1385.585,"body":"And I saw this ad in the San"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1381.265,"endTime":1385.585,"body":"Francisco International Airport in"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1385.585,"endTime":1392.125,"body":"Terminal D, and it says, uh, it is"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1385.585,"endTime":1392.125,"body":"an ad for a company called Turing."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1392.125,"endTime":1398.78,"body":"It's all black, and the writing here"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1392.125,"endTime":1398.78,"body":"is, \"We teach AGI to think reason and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1398.78,"endTime":1405.38,"body":"code -- so you don't have to. It's okay."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1398.78,"endTime":1405.38,"body":"They're fast learners.\" And I'm like, ugh."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1406.55,"endTime":1410.03,"body":"Immediately took psychic"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1406.55,"endTime":1410.03,"body":"damage upon seeing this."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1410.18,"endTime":1410.36,"body":"Right?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1410.48,"endTime":1412.79,"body":"'cause, because none of us"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1410.48,"endTime":1412.79,"body":"want to, I mean, coding might"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1412.79,"endTime":1413.66,"body":"be a chore for some people."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1413.66,"endTime":1415.85,"body":"It might be a joy from some"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1413.66,"endTime":1415.85,"body":"people, but none of us want"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1415.85,"endTime":1417.14,"body":"to think or reason anymore."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1417.2,"endTime":1418.94,"body":"That's definitely something"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1417.2,"endTime":1418.94,"body":"we wanna stop doing."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1419.57,"endTime":1420.47,"body":"Yeah, Lord."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1421.07,"endTime":1422.36,"body":"Just really curse stuff."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1422.66,"endTime":1424.67,"body":"So then you,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1422.66,"endTime":1424.67,"body":"you went and explored the, this"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1424.67,"endTime":1425.78,"body":"is the right website, right?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1426.159,"endTime":1427.99,"body":"Uh, I think,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1426.159,"endTime":1427.99,"body":"yeah, I think it is."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1427.99,"endTime":1429.25,"body":"This is the same font."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1429.31,"endTime":1433.0,"body":"So \"Turning AGI research"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1429.31,"endTime":1433.0,"body":"into real world impact.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1433.419,"endTime":1437.23,"body":"And so then you scroll down and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1433.419,"endTime":1437.23,"body":"I think this, this is actually"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1437.23,"endTime":1440.889,"body":"a crowd work site, uh, company."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1441.1,"endTime":1445.485,"body":"So they've, uh, you know, so they're"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1441.1,"endTime":1445.485,"body":"advertising \"40 plus industries"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1445.514,"endTime":1447.915,"body":"innovated.\" So they have been innovated."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1448.274,"endTime":1452.715,"body":"And then \"4 million plus professionals"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1448.274,"endTime":1452.715,"body":"available.\" Um, so it looks like what"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1452.715,"endTime":1456.435,"body":"they're effectively doing is that"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1452.715,"endTime":1456.435,"body":"they're trying to find, uh, people with"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1456.435,"endTime":1459.345,"body":"particular expertise for model training."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1459.645,"endTime":1459.705,"body":"Um."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1460.959,"endTime":1465.07,"body":"And this is something that Scale"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1460.959,"endTime":1465.07,"body":"AI has, has been doing for a while."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1465.07,"endTime":1466.33,"body":"They're another one of these companies."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1466.659,"endTime":1469.989,"body":"And the thing that's just so cursed is"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1466.659,"endTime":1469.989,"body":"not only the name of the company, Turing,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1469.989,"endTime":1475.09,"body":"but also the, the use of 'AGI' to just"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1469.989,"endTime":1475.09,"body":"kind of like, without any like, you know,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1475.09,"endTime":1477.159,"body":"just completely out, out of the box."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1477.159,"endTime":1480.399,"body":"I mean, no-- and I mean all"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1477.159,"endTime":1480.399,"body":"these buzzwords are all over"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1480.55,"endTime":1482.05,"body":"just incredibly cursed stuff."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1482.409,"endTime":1485.57,"body":"They've got, so, \"Turing"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1482.409,"endTime":1485.57,"body":"AGI Advancement: focus on advancing AGI"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1485.59,"endTime":1489.189,"body":"capabilities. Turing AGI Advancement"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1485.59,"endTime":1489.189,"body":"combines scalable data systems,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1489.189,"endTime":1491.379,"body":"human intelligence--\" There it is."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1491.379,"endTime":1492.1,"body":"There's the crowd work."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1492.16,"endTime":1496.6,"body":"\"--and cutting edge model post-training to"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1492.16,"endTime":1496.6,"body":"drive the future of AI development.\" And"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1496.6,"endTime":1499.99,"body":"they're, they've got nine categories here,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1496.6,"endTime":1499.99,"body":"model evaluation, et cetera, et cetera."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1499.99,"endTime":1502.57,"body":"And the last one is \"frontier"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1499.99,"endTime":1502.57,"body":"knowledge processing.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1503.904,"endTime":1504.294,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1504.324,"endTime":1506.364,"body":"I don't know what, what"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1504.324,"endTime":1506.364,"body":"is frontier knowledge?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1506.364,"endTime":1509.154,"body":"Is that like how to load"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1506.364,"endTime":1509.154,"body":"a musket and how to hunt?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1509.364,"endTime":1510.534,"body":"How to hunt squirrels?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1510.534,"endTime":1514.524,"body":"Is that, I'm just imagining, how"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1510.534,"endTime":1514.524,"body":"to make a Davey Crockett hat."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1514.884,"endTime":1515.865,"body":"How to be a colonizer."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1516.044,"endTime":1516.155,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1516.155,"endTime":1520.884,"body":"I mean, I mean, I guess that's a"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1516.155,"endTime":1520.884,"body":"certain kind of knowledge that we're"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1520.884,"endTime":1522.085,"body":"speed running right now, but yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1522.205,"endTime":1522.564,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1522.864,"endTime":1525.804,"body":"That, synthetic data"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1522.864,"endTime":1525.804,"body":"generation, that's what we need."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1526.164,"endTime":1526.644,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1526.644,"endTime":1527.394,"body":"Enough of Turing."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1527.574,"endTime":1527.725,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1528.58,"endTime":1532.39,"body":"Uh, so this is a LinkedIn"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1528.58,"endTime":1532.39,"body":"post by Ben Williamson from about two"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1532.39,"endTime":1533.98,"body":"weeks ago at the University of Edinburgh."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1534.37,"endTime":1538.3,"body":"And he writes, \"Want to know what a"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1534.37,"endTime":1538.3,"body":"MAGA DOGE-inspired and AI intensive"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1538.3,"endTime":1539.65,"body":"schooling system would look like?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1539.68,"endTime":1542.38,"body":"Here's the vision that's being"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1539.68,"endTime":1542.38,"body":"set out by Musk adjacent ed tech"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1542.38,"endTime":1543.82,"body":"and ed reform entrepreneurs."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1543.88,"endTime":1546.64,"body":"Quote, 'No one wants to admit"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1543.88,"endTime":1546.64,"body":"it, but the vast majority of"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1546.67,"endTime":1548.35,"body":"teachers are glorified babysitters."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1548.35,"endTime":1551.59,"body":"In the age of personal computers, it"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1548.35,"endTime":1551.59,"body":"is insane to trust the local babysitter"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1551.59,"endTime":1555.31,"body":"to teach kids cognitive skills that"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1551.59,"endTime":1555.31,"body":"may in many cases beyond the be beyond"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1555.31,"endTime":1558.845,"body":"the teacher's own grasp.' 'I think it's"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1555.31,"endTime":1558.845,"body":"adorable when people think we're going"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1558.845,"endTime":1560.645,"body":"to fix education by improving teachers."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1560.765,"endTime":1563.825,"body":"Sorry, it's AI tutors or the"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1560.765,"endTime":1563.825,"body":"slow death of civilization."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1563.855,"endTime":1567.395,"body":"Those are the choices.' 'First"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1563.855,"endTime":1567.395,"body":"step stop teachers from teaching.'\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1568.405,"endTime":1572.005,"body":"Those are the end of three quotes, and"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1568.405,"endTime":1572.005,"body":"then Williamson continues, \"It's an awful"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1572.005,"endTime":1576.265,"body":"reactionary quote, 'anti woke' vision"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1572.005,"endTime":1576.265,"body":"of automated right wing ideological"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1576.265,"endTime":1579.715,"body":"training, and quite possibly a sign of"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1576.265,"endTime":1579.715,"body":"the AI educational future that could"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1579.715,"endTime":1583.625,"body":"come fast in the US -- a Grok bot"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1579.715,"endTime":1583.625,"body":"personalized learning tutor with a cute"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1583.625,"endTime":1586.075,"body":"ClassDojo-like interface for every child.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1587.215,"endTime":1587.725,"body":"Ugh."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1588.085,"endTime":1590.435,"body":"Where are these, so where"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1588.085,"endTime":1590.435,"body":"are these quotes from?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1590.525,"endTime":1592.975,"body":"Yeah, like, um, it's, um--"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1593.065,"endTime":1593.185,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1593.275,"endTime":1593.545,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1593.545,"endTime":1594.355,"body":"We're redirecting."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1594.655,"endTime":1595.435,"body":"Mother Jones."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1595.715,"endTime":1595.995,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1596.735,"endTime":1599.21,"body":"Oh, so this"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1596.735,"endTime":1599.21,"body":"is, oh, I know Anna Merlan."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1599.23,"endTime":1601.93,"body":"So, so this is a article."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1602.35,"endTime":1603.58,"body":"This is a horrifying image too."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1603.58,"endTime":1604.225,"body":"It's so terrible."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1604.51,"endTime":1606.82,"body":"So this is \"Meet the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1604.51,"endTime":1606.82,"body":"educational entrepreneurs who want to"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1606.82,"endTime":1610.69,"body":"teach a new generation of Elon Musks.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1606.82,"endTime":1610.69,"body":"And there's a horrifying image of"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1610.69,"endTime":1617.185,"body":"like, some child in a, like, um, like"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1610.69,"endTime":1617.185,"body":"with a, like a sweater vest on, all"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1617.185,"endTime":1619.205,"body":"with like these tilted Musk heads."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1619.645,"endTime":1620.935,"body":"Um, yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1620.935,"endTime":1622.245,"body":"Really, really horrible stuff."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1622.725,"endTime":1627.864,"body":"But it's like, this is also something"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1622.725,"endTime":1627.864,"body":"we've, you know, we've talked about, um,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1628.134,"endTime":1631.989,"body":"on the, on the pod before we had Adrienne"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1628.134,"endTime":1631.989,"body":"Williams, who used to be a teacher."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1632.799,"endTime":1637.555,"body":"Um, and had talked a lot about these"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1632.799,"endTime":1637.555,"body":"kinds of things happening in charter"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1637.555,"endTime":1641.635,"body":"schools, especially like these are the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1637.555,"endTime":1641.635,"body":"places that are really into educational"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1641.635,"endTime":1648.534,"body":"reform and, um, tech enabled, um,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1641.635,"endTime":1648.534,"body":"garbage that, um, a lot of large"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1648.534,"endTime":1653.514,"body":"funders are really into like Gates and,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1648.534,"endTime":1653.514,"body":"and, uh, Chan Zuckerberg and whatnot."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1653.545,"endTime":1656.275,"body":"So check out that episode"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1653.545,"endTime":1656.275,"body":"if you are interested."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1656.304,"endTime":1656.364,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1657.835,"endTime":1658.165,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1658.165,"endTime":1659.185,"body":"So palate cleanser."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1659.455,"endTime":1660.715,"body":"Alex, you wanna take the lead on this one?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1660.715,"endTime":1661.435,"body":"This is so great."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1661.435,"endTime":1663.025,"body":"This is a great piece."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1663.085,"endTime":1669.275,"body":"Um, by, um, uh, let me, uh, and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1663.085,"endTime":1669.275,"body":"it's, it's published at the ICMA,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1669.295,"endTime":1670.824,"body":"which is, I think, can you scroll up?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1670.824,"endTime":1675.505,"body":"'cause I think it's the international,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1670.824,"endTime":1675.505,"body":"yeah, the, the newsletter of the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1675.505,"endTime":1677.485,"body":"International Center of Medieval Art."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1677.905,"endTime":1682.554,"body":"And so then, um, so this is a"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1677.905,"endTime":1682.554,"body":"newsletter and this is by Sonja"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1682.554,"endTime":1685.284,"body":"Drimmer and Christopher Nygren."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1685.705,"endTime":1691.014,"body":"Um, and the title is \"How We Are Not"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1685.705,"endTime":1691.014,"body":"Using AI in the Classroom.\" And, um,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1691.074,"endTime":1693.415,"body":"this is a really fantastic piece."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1693.505,"endTime":1698.094,"body":"Um, I shared a bit of it, um, this"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1693.505,"endTime":1698.094,"body":"on Bluesky and it got, um, a lot"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1698.094,"endTime":1699.505,"body":"of people were really into it."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1699.534,"endTime":1701.034,"body":"So, um."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1701.65,"endTime":1702.94,"body":"Just the choice quotes here."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1702.94,"endTime":1706.45,"body":"\"We were giving a prompt as as an"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1702.94,"endTime":1706.45,"body":"invitation to participate in this"},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1706.45,"endTime":1710.26,"body":"'How are you using AI in a"},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1706.45,"endTime":1710.26,"body":"classroom?' While we have accepted this"},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1710.26,"endTime":1714.56,"body":"invitation, we are engaging in the most"},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1710.26,"endTime":1714.56,"body":"humanistic act we can imagine--refusing"},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1714.58,"endTime":1719.02,"body":"the prompt.\" Uh, and so then they've got"},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1714.58,"endTime":1719.02,"body":"a lot of cool, like really good stuff"},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1719.02,"endTime":1725.02,"body":"about the kind of like pushing back on"},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1719.02,"endTime":1725.02,"body":"the incursion of AI in the classroom."},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1725.08,"endTime":1727.06,"body":"And you know, I've been giving a few."},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1727.645,"endTime":1733.135,"body":"A few talks, um, about the book and"},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1727.645,"endTime":1733.135,"body":"about other things in the past year."},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1733.135,"endTime":1736.825,"body":"And yeah, I mean, lots of"},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1733.135,"endTime":1736.825,"body":"questions coming in from educators."},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1737.005,"endTime":1738.685,"body":"Well, this is kind of inevitable."},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1738.985,"endTime":1741.745,"body":"Well, the student--well,"},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1738.985,"endTime":1741.745,"body":"you can push back."},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1741.745,"endTime":1742.915,"body":"You are an educator."},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1743.785,"endTime":1748.975,"body":"Um, and I think there's really"},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1743.785,"endTime":1748.975,"body":"a feeling that it is, um, it's,"},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1748.975,"endTime":1750.055,"body":"it's, it's really hard to do."},{"speaker":"newsletter","startTime":1750.055,"endTime":1750.715,"body":"So, you know."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1751.12,"endTime":1754.6,"body":"Yeah, so strongly"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1751.12,"endTime":1754.6,"body":"recommend this piece, if you want"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1754.6,"endTime":1759.01,"body":"some, you know, respite from all"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1754.6,"endTime":1759.01,"body":"of the AI hell reigning down."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1759.01,"endTime":1762.7,"body":"This is a very well argued and very"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1759.01,"endTime":1762.7,"body":"thorough refusal, which is amazing."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1763.005,"endTime":1763.295,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1763.475,"endTime":1764.62,"body":"Um, yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1764.62,"endTime":1767.32,"body":"And we have Elizabeth With A Z in the"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1764.62,"endTime":1767.32,"body":"chat saying, \"Big tech is trying so"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1767.32,"endTime":1771.55,"body":"hard to push this on teachers, and even"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1767.32,"endTime":1771.55,"body":"teachers who don't want to, uh, to do"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1771.55,"endTime":1774.71,"body":"it are feeling such pressure to do so."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1771.55,"endTime":1774.71,"body":"Quote, 'Save time,' quote, 'Genie is"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1774.71,"endTime":1777.43,"body":"out of the bottle.' Quote, 'You're doing"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1774.71,"endTime":1777.43,"body":"your kids a disservice if you don't.'"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1777.73,"endTime":1781.82,"body":"This inevitability narrative.\" And so"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1777.73,"endTime":1781.82,"body":"love the things that push back on it."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1783.41,"endTime":1788.665,"body":"Alright, I have something of an"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1783.41,"endTime":1788.665,"body":"intermission uh thing for you."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1788.905,"endTime":1791.695,"body":"I don't have to be the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":1788.905,"endTime":1791.695,"body":"one to perform, you, you have a thing."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1791.695,"endTime":1792.324,"body":"No, it's my turn."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1792.324,"endTime":1793.165,"body":"It's kind of long."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1793.405,"endTime":1798.355,"body":"Um, but it's also to give our viewers and"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1793.405,"endTime":1798.355,"body":"listeners a sort of a, a view into our"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1798.355,"endTime":1803.065,"body":"inboxes because we are now, I guess, a"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1798.355,"endTime":1803.065,"body":"big enough podcast that we've landed on"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1803.065,"endTime":1805.195,"body":"the radar of lots and lots of publicists."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1805.585,"endTime":1809.29,"body":"And we get continually, at"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1805.585,"endTime":1809.29,"body":"least weekly pitches, um, for"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1809.29,"endTime":1810.79,"body":"people to be on the podcast."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1810.79,"endTime":1814.06,"body":"So I have compiled excerpts of"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1810.79,"endTime":1814.06,"body":"those pitches into what I'm calling"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1814.06,"endTime":1819.28,"body":"a found prose poem with the title,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1814.06,"endTime":1819.28,"body":"\"My Client,\" and I have anonymized"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1819.28,"endTime":1823.42,"body":"this in the sense that anywhere that"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1819.28,"endTime":1823.42,"body":"the client's name, um, showed up, I"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1823.42,"endTime":1825.55,"body":"replaced it with the phrase \"my client.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1825.91,"endTime":1830.545,"body":"Um, and you know, otherwise, I'm just"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1825.91,"endTime":1830.545,"body":"taking texts outta these people's emails."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1830.725,"endTime":1834.475,"body":"So you might worry that the publicists"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1830.725,"endTime":1834.475,"body":"will notice that I have quoted"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1834.475,"endTime":1837.565,"body":"them, but as will immediately become"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1834.475,"endTime":1837.565,"body":"clear, none of these publicists"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1837.565,"endTime":1840.805,"body":"actually listen to our podcast."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":1840.805,"endTime":1841.745,"body":"So, here we go."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1842.38,"endTime":1847.029,"body":"Your podcast, Mystery AI Hype"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1842.38,"endTime":1847.029,"body":"Theater 3000, stands out for its bold"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1847.029,"endTime":1849.19,"body":"conversations around tech, AI, and data."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1849.4,"endTime":1852.4,"body":"That's exactly why (my client)"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1849.4,"endTime":1852.4,"body":"would make an excellent guest."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1852.909,"endTime":1856.0,"body":"\"I'm reaching out to propose (my"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1852.909,"endTime":1856.0,"body":"client) as a guest for your podcast,"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1856.0,"endTime":1859.09,"body":"as his expertise aligns seamlessly"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1856.0,"endTime":1859.09,"body":"with your focus on building"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1859.239,"endTime":1861.13,"body":"business slash work-life balance."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1861.465,"endTime":1863.235,"body":"\"I'd love to introduce you to (my client)."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1863.415,"endTime":1866.535,"body":"With his expertise in AI driven"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1863.415,"endTime":1866.535,"body":"product innovations and award-winning"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1866.535,"endTime":1869.955,"body":"ventures, (my client) brings compelling"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1866.535,"endTime":1869.955,"body":"insights into AI's real world"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1869.955,"endTime":1871.905,"body":"applications, beyond the usual hype."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1872.655,"endTime":1875.925,"body":"\"(My client), with her multifaceted"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1872.655,"endTime":1875.925,"body":"experience in AI and her recent"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1875.925,"endTime":1878.835,"body":"encounters with corporate layoffs,"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1875.925,"endTime":1878.835,"body":"offers a distinctive viewpoint"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1878.835,"endTime":1882.225,"body":"on how tech workers can navigate"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1878.835,"endTime":1882.225,"body":"their careers amidst AI evolution."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1883.105,"endTime":1886.855,"body":"\"After helping shape high tech in Silicon"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1883.105,"endTime":1886.855,"body":"Valley, leading eBay's IPO, driving"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1886.855,"endTime":1889.885,"body":"startup innovations, participating in"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1886.855,"endTime":1889.885,"body":"new technologies like the internet,"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1890.094,"endTime":1894.025,"body":"semiconductor chip design, and"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1890.094,"endTime":1894.025,"body":"biotechnology, (my client) was driven"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1894.025,"endTime":1898.014,"body":"by his deep interest in philosophy and"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1894.025,"endTime":1898.014,"body":"astrophysics to explore the intersection"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1898.014,"endTime":1901.585,"body":"of science, humanity, and purposeful"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1898.014,"endTime":1901.585,"body":"living in a world transformed by AI."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1902.26,"endTime":1905.2,"body":"\"(My client) will be a fantastic"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1902.26,"endTime":1905.2,"body":"guest to further dissect these myths."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1905.47,"endTime":1908.26,"body":"Known for his success in leading"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1905.47,"endTime":1908.26,"body":"tech companies to acquisitions and"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1908.26,"endTime":1911.17,"body":"award-winning product launches,"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1908.26,"endTime":1911.17,"body":"he offers a pragmatic stance on"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1911.17,"endTime":1912.7,"body":"AI's current and future role."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1913.27,"endTime":1915.58,"body":"\"Having explored AI and its"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1913.27,"endTime":1915.58,"body":"implications through both his"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1915.58,"endTime":1918.639,"body":"academic and creative work, (my"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1915.58,"endTime":1918.639,"body":"client) offers unique perspectives,"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1918.639,"endTime":1920.409,"body":"blending science fiction and reality."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1921.04,"endTime":1924.639,"body":"With AI such a hot topic, I believe"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1921.04,"endTime":1924.639,"body":"my client, (my client), would make"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1924.639,"endTime":1926.05,"body":"a compelling guest on your show."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1926.23,"endTime":1929.62,"body":"\"As a seasoned conversational AI"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1926.23,"endTime":1929.62,"body":"technologist, (my client) has shaped the"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1929.62,"endTime":1933.85,"body":"landscape of digital communication by"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1929.62,"endTime":1933.85,"body":"harnessing AI to enhance human expertise."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1934.719,"endTime":1939.19,"body":"\"Previously, an investor at Excel, (my"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1934.719,"endTime":1939.19,"body":"client) helped deploy over $250 million"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1939.19,"endTime":1943.57,"body":"in crypto and AI investments, backing"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1939.19,"endTime":1943.57,"body":"companies now worth over $5 billion."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1944.11,"endTime":1947.35,"body":"What truly sets (my client) apart"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1944.11,"endTime":1947.35,"body":"is his keen foresight in monetizing"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1947.35,"endTime":1950.35,"body":"the shift from traditional web"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1947.35,"endTime":1950.35,"body":"spaces to AI driven experiences."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1951.159,"endTime":1955.03,"body":"As AI consolidates under new a few major"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1951.159,"endTime":1955.03,"body":"players, my client believes this will"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1955.03,"endTime":1957.01,"body":"slow innovation and limit progress."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1957.04,"endTime":1960.13,"body":"He argues that true breakthroughs"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1957.04,"endTime":1960.13,"body":"will come from open collaboration,"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1960.13,"endTime":1961.27,"body":"not corporate secrecy."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1961.989,"endTime":1964.57,"body":"\"(My client)'s latest book"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1961.989,"endTime":1964.57,"body":"touches on themes that resonate"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1964.57,"endTime":1965.98,"body":"with your podcasts ethos."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1966.34,"endTime":1969.52,"body":"(My client)'s documentary is not"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1966.34,"endTime":1969.52,"body":"just about technology, it's about the"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1969.52,"endTime":1971.05,"body":"human stories intertwined with it."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1971.05,"endTime":1973.48,"body":"By featuring them, you could"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1971.05,"endTime":1973.48,"body":"provide your listeners with a"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1973.48,"endTime":1975.159,"body":"fresh and captivating perspective."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1975.865,"endTime":1978.565,"body":"\"(My client) leads a team focused"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1975.865,"endTime":1978.565,"body":"on smart behaviors, merging"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1978.565,"endTime":1979.945,"body":"AI with the built environment."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1980.125,"endTime":1983.305,"body":"With a rich background in architecture,"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1980.125,"endTime":1983.305,"body":"and a profound grasp of technology"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1983.305,"endTime":1986.725,"body":"societal impacts, he would offer a"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1983.305,"endTime":1986.725,"body":"unique perspective on AI's evolving"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1986.725,"endTime":1988.225,"body":"role in education and beyond."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1988.885,"endTime":1992.195,"body":"\"(My client) is pioneering the"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1988.885,"endTime":1992.195,"body":"world's first IP powered agentic"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1992.215,"endTime":1995.725,"body":"AI protocol, creating emotionally"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1992.215,"endTime":1995.725,"body":"intelligent AI companions that"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1995.725,"endTime":1997.615,"body":"integrate seamlessly across devices."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1997.645,"endTime":1999.534,"body":"Think Siri, but with"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":1997.645,"endTime":1999.534,"body":"your favorite characters."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2000.18,"endTime":2003.27,"body":"\"(My client) is poised to discuss a"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2000.18,"endTime":2003.27,"body":"range of topics including effective"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2003.27,"endTime":2006.63,"body":"leadership strategies, corporate"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2003.27,"endTime":2006.63,"body":"culture and the entrepreneurial mindset,"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2006.69,"endTime":2008.43,"body":"and of course, oil and gas insights."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2009.33,"endTime":2011.94,"body":"\"I believe (my client) would"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2009.33,"endTime":2011.94,"body":"be a remarkable guest on"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2011.94,"endTime":2013.62,"body":"Mystery AI Hype Theater 3000."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2013.68,"endTime":2017.01,"body":"Her fusion of technical savvy and"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2013.68,"endTime":2017.01,"body":"social awareness offers a refreshing"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2017.01,"endTime":2018.78,"body":"perspective on AI and education."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2019.38,"endTime":2023.22,"body":"\"(My client) is willing to discuss any"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2019.38,"endTime":2023.22,"body":"topics related to AI in blockchain."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2024.15,"endTime":2027.42,"body":"\"With a flare for storytelling that"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2024.15,"endTime":2027.42,"body":"mirrors your podcast blend of high tech"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2027.42,"endTime":2030.9,"body":"narratives and socioeconomic insights,"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2027.42,"endTime":2030.9,"body":"(my client) can share how publishers are"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2030.9,"endTime":2035.28,"body":"not just adapting, but revolutionizing"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2030.9,"endTime":2035.28,"body":"their approach via connected AI agents."},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2035.699,"endTime":2039.15,"body":"\"(My client)'s experience with analytics"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2035.699,"endTime":2039.15,"body":"and audience platforms could add a"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2039.15,"endTime":2042.955,"body":"new dimension to your conversations"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2039.15,"endTime":2042.955,"body":"on AI's societal impacts. Would you be"},{"speaker":"\"My Client","startTime":2042.955,"endTime":2045.0,"body":"open to featuring him on your show?\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2048.425,"endTime":2048.844,"body":"So good."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2049.409,"endTime":2050.429,"body":"Just incredible."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2050.489,"endTime":2050.79,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2051.09,"endTime":2056.699,"body":"Um, and just to clarify, this is not one"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2051.09,"endTime":2056.699,"body":"message, this is a mishmash of, um, you"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2056.699,"endTime":2061.889,"body":"know, uh, basically each sentence or pair"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2056.699,"endTime":2061.889,"body":"of sentences was from a different message."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2062.429,"endTime":2062.759,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2062.905,"endTime":2067.33,"body":"And there's, there's a few, so there's the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2062.905,"endTime":2067.33,"body":"Abstract Tesseract with the Kai Winn GIF,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2067.77,"endTime":2074.594,"body":"\"my client\", like \"my child\", uh, which,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2067.77,"endTime":2074.594,"body":"you know, uh Deep Space Nine reference."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2074.594,"endTime":2075.074,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2075.435,"endTime":2081.254,"body":"And of course, \"My clients\", you"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2075.435,"endTime":2081.254,"body":"know, in Borat voice, um, yeah, just,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2081.424,"endTime":2086.594,"body":"oof, just incredibly, incredibly,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2081.424,"endTime":2086.594,"body":"incredibly--thank you for reading that."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2086.984,"endTime":2092.444,"body":"And I mean that this is, and it's,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2086.984,"endTime":2092.444,"body":"the thing is y'all, it's like that,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2092.504,"endTime":2095.264,"body":"that is like slightly less cringe."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2095.955,"endTime":2099.194,"body":"Like not the performance, the performance"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2095.955,"endTime":2099.194,"body":"is great, but like the kind of like,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2099.51,"endTime":2103.35,"body":"all of them are very cringe messages"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2099.51,"endTime":2103.35,"body":"that come in that are just like,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2103.95,"endTime":2109.5,"body":"'I loved your episode on like how"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2103.95,"endTime":2109.5,"body":"technology is going to ruin education."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2109.74,"endTime":2116.91,"body":"My client has raised $5 million in series"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2109.74,"endTime":2116.91,"body":"A funding for multiple, like blockchain"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2116.91,"endTime":2120.51,"body":"endeavors.' And we're like, what the, you"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2116.91,"endTime":2120.51,"body":"obviously didn't listen to any of this."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2120.75,"endTime":2120.96,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2120.96,"endTime":2124.905,"body":"And, and the idea that that's a good"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2120.96,"endTime":2124.905,"body":"way to do business as a publicist."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2124.905,"endTime":2126.235,"body":"Just mind boggling."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2126.635,"endTime":2128.715,"body":"Um, and occasionally we get"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2126.635,"endTime":2128.715,"body":"people suggesting themselves"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2128.715,"endTime":2129.765,"body":"too, which is hilarious."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2130.185,"endTime":2135.915,"body":"All right, so back into the hell outside"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2130.185,"endTime":2135.915,"body":"of our inboxes, um, we are now in the"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2135.915,"endTime":2139.455,"body":"policy, military, law and policing area."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2139.455,"endTime":2141.795,"body":"And Alex, I'm gonna rest my voice"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2139.455,"endTime":2141.795,"body":"a bit more and let you do this one."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2141.8,"endTime":2142.11,"body":"Yeah, no, please."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2142.155,"endTime":2143.295,"body":"Yeah, please rest."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2143.355,"endTime":2144.885,"body":"Um, I'll take the, the next two."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2144.885,"endTime":2146.835,"body":"So this is also from Pivot to AI."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2147.709,"endTime":2150.769,"body":"\"AI benchmarks are self-promoting"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2147.709,"endTime":2150.769,"body":"trash, but regulars keep on using"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2150.769,"endTime":2152.299,"body":"them,\" also from David Gerard."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2152.72,"endTime":2157.7,"body":"Um, so yeah, so \"Every new LLM um, and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2152.72,"endTime":2157.7,"body":"every new tweak to an old LLM has a press"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2157.7,"endTime":2160.37,"body":"release bragging about how well it tests"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2157.7,"endTime":2160.37,"body":"on some benchmark you never heard of."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2160.669,"endTime":2164.91,"body":"Every new model is trained heavily to"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2160.669,"endTime":2164.91,"body":"the previous trendy benchmark. OpenAI"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2164.93,"endTime":2169.549,"body":"just accused xAI of rigging the benchmark"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2164.93,"endTime":2169.549,"body":"scores for Grok 3.\" And then these"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2169.549,"endTime":2176.15,"body":"are, this is, um, uh, two, one preprint"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2169.549,"endTime":2176.15,"body":"and one report from um, the European"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2176.15,"endTime":2178.1,"body":"Commission's Joint Research Center."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2178.37,"endTime":2181.52,"body":"So one preprint coming from,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2178.37,"endTime":2181.52,"body":"um, some folks at Stanford."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2181.52,"endTime":2182.93,"body":"I'm not sure which, which lab."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2183.2,"endTime":2186.509,"body":"Um, it says, \"Stanford researchers"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2183.2,"endTime":2186.509,"body":"confirm: LLM benchmarks are spurious"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2186.509,"endTime":2190.97,"body":"trash. Most LLM benchmarks are"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2186.509,"endTime":2190.97,"body":"not easily replicated -- OpenAI is"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2190.97,"endTime":2195.195,"body":"notorious for this -- do only a single"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2190.97,"endTime":2195.195,"body":"run, don't reproduce well and don't"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2195.195,"endTime":2198.205,"body":"report the statistical significance"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2195.195,"endTime":2198.205,"body":"or error bars of their results.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2198.495,"endTime":2200.145,"body":"Well, that's kinda weird because, um--"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2200.415,"endTime":2201.795,"body":"They're missing"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2200.415,"endTime":2201.795,"body":"the fundamental thing, which is that"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2201.795,"endTime":2204.154,"body":"they have no construct validity."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2204.325,"endTime":2205.785,"body":"As we argued back in 2021."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2205.785,"endTime":2205.845,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2205.845,"endTime":2208.245,"body":"So yeah, Stanford confirmed,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2205.845,"endTime":2208.245,"body":"but we've been saying that."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2208.25,"endTime":2208.39,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2208.89,"endTime":2212.845,"body":"And then, um, yeah, the \"benchmarks"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2208.89,"endTime":2212.845,"body":"are funded by the companies and are"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2212.845,"endTime":2216.404,"body":"even available to them ahead of time.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2212.845,"endTime":2216.404,"body":"And then the European Commission's"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2216.404,"endTime":2217.995,"body":"Joint Research Center says the same."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2218.33,"endTime":2220.64,"body":"So, yeah, we, we, we knew this."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2220.7,"endTime":2223.07,"body":"We have some, um, some data for it now."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2223.94,"endTime":2225.37,"body":"All right, next."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2225.63,"endTime":2233.84,"body":"So this is a great thread from John, uh,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2225.63,"endTime":2233.84,"body":"John Skiles Skinner, um, who used to be"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2233.84,"endTime":2237.15,"body":"at the um, United States Digital Service."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2237.509,"endTime":2240.06,"body":"So he says, \"I helped build"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2237.509,"endTime":2240.06,"body":"a government AI system."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2240.12,"endTime":2245.85,"body":"DOGE fired me, rolled the AI out to the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2240.12,"endTime":2245.85,"body":"whole agency, and implied the AI can do my"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2245.85,"endTime":2248.49,"body":"job and the jobs of the others they fired."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2248.999,"endTime":2252.54,"body":"It can't, but what DOGE accidentally"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2248.999,"endTime":2252.54,"body":"revealed about themselves in"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2252.54,"endTime":2254.1,"body":"the process is fascinating."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2254.16,"endTime":2254.64,"body":"Thread.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2255.029,"endTime":2257.859,"body":"Uh, it's worth reading"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2255.029,"endTime":2257.859,"body":"a, um, a lot of this too."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2258.12,"endTime":2263.85,"body":"So, \"From November 2023 to January 2024, I"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2258.12,"endTime":2263.85,"body":"worked on a tool we called the AI sandbox."},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2264.24,"endTime":2268.049,"body":"let federal software devs"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2264.24,"endTime":2268.049,"body":"test out AI tools in a safe way"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2268.049,"endTime":2269.37,"body":"to discover if they have any use."},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2270.08,"endTime":2273.64,"body":"Renamed GSAi, the tool"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2270.08,"endTime":2273.64,"body":"has been cleaned by DOGE."},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2273.64,"endTime":2277.029,"body":"It is being rolled out at an"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2273.64,"endTime":2277.029,"body":"alarmingly accelerated schedule."},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2277.629,"endTime":2280.39,"body":"No one from the new admin wrote"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2277.629,"endTime":2280.39,"body":"a single line of code for it,"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2280.39,"endTime":2284.169,"body":"but the GSAi has become their"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2280.39,"endTime":2284.169,"body":"proud quote, 'AI first strategy.'"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2284.859,"endTime":2289.299,"body":"\"Previously at my job, we put people"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2284.859,"endTime":2289.299,"body":"first. See 18 F'S work--\" Uh, and"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2289.299,"endTime":2294.909,"body":"that's, um, that federal agency,"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2289.299,"endTime":2294.909,"body":"um, design agency within USDS"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2294.909,"endTime":2296.2,"body":"who has done a lot of good work."},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2296.47,"endTime":2300.435,"body":"\"--on, uh, human-centered design. As"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2296.47,"endTime":2300.435,"body":"my coworker explains in this demo,"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2300.435,"endTime":2302.085,"body":"we knew AI's capability is limited.\""},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2302.565,"endTime":2306.165,"body":"Uh, there's a quote here,"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2302.565,"endTime":2306.165,"body":"um, we can scroll down."},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2306.165,"endTime":2309.435,"body":"\"As a fed, I am accustomed to"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2306.165,"endTime":2309.435,"body":"knowledgeable and diverse coworkers"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2309.435,"endTime":2313.065,"body":"who don't get snookered by the"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2309.435,"endTime":2313.065,"body":"latest buzzwords. But yesterday at"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2313.065,"endTime":2316.485,"body":"GSA headquarters, six white guys in"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2313.065,"endTime":2316.485,"body":"suits, one of them without a tie,"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2316.515,"endTime":2319.99,"body":"took the stage. They demo'd GSAi"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2316.515,"endTime":2319.99,"body":"like it was pure magic to them.\""},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2320.65,"endTime":2325.6,"body":"And um, there's a part I do want to get"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2320.65,"endTime":2325.6,"body":"to, um, I'm gonna skip a little bit."},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2325.839,"endTime":2330.22,"body":"So here, \"There's a quasi religion in"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2325.839,"endTime":2330.22,"body":"Silicon Valley that views AI as godlike."},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2330.52,"endTime":2335.23,"body":"This faith has always been parallel to"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2330.52,"endTime":2335.23,"body":"Evangelical Christianity. Salvation, um,"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2335.259,"endTime":2341.165,"body":"parentheses, transhumanism, the rapture,"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2335.259,"endTime":2341.165,"body":"the technological singularity, and demons,"},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2341.165,"endTime":2344.045,"body":"Roko's Basilisk.\" Uh, sound familiar."},{"speaker":"Our goal","startTime":2344.045,"endTime":2345.335,"body":"Sounds like TESCREAL nonsense."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2345.455,"endTime":2345.575,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2345.815,"endTime":2349.295,"body":"\"Lately the AI faith has"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2345.815,"endTime":2349.295,"body":"fused with Christian, has fully fused"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2349.295,"endTime":2354.575,"body":"with Christian nationalism.\" Um, and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2349.295,"endTime":2354.575,"body":"so, \"Together, um, together these"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2354.575,"endTime":2357.515,"body":"two faiths crave the end of American"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2354.575,"endTime":2357.515,"body":"liberal democracy and government."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2357.694,"endTime":2359.0,"body":"You can smell it at GSA."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2359.46,"endTime":2362.41,"body":"They won't replace us to AI 'cause"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2359.46,"endTime":2362.41,"body":"they don't wanna replace us at all."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2362.95,"endTime":2364.259,"body":"They want our work to end."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2364.589,"endTime":2368.31,"body":"DOGE is firing us as fast as"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2364.589,"endTime":2368.31,"body":"possible and that is the whole plan.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2368.73,"endTime":2372.089,"body":"And that is a really nice kind"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2368.73,"endTime":2372.089,"body":"of punctuation on this thread."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2372.27,"endTime":2372.839,"body":"Great thread."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2372.97,"endTime":2373.37,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2374.91,"endTime":2375.279,"body":"Alright."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2375.279,"endTime":2378.674,"body":"This one is just a company's"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2375.279,"endTime":2378.674,"body":"website, not writing about it."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2378.674,"endTime":2384.884,"body":"It's uh, EspySys.com, ESPY,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2378.674,"endTime":2384.884,"body":"and the headline here is"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2384.975,"endTime":2387.365,"body":"\"Psychological profiling -- AI."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2387.785,"endTime":2391.274,"body":"At the core of our Psychological Profile"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2387.785,"endTime":2391.274,"body":"API is the AI based system, which"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2391.274,"endTime":2394.754,"body":"includes summary generation, entity"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2391.274,"endTime":2394.754,"body":"extraction, and danger slash violence"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2394.754,"endTime":2398.56,"body":"level measurement based on an individual's"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2394.754,"endTime":2398.56,"body":"social network personal profile."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2398.92,"endTime":2402.04,"body":"This method ensures precise and"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2398.92,"endTime":2402.04,"body":"comprehensive insights into a"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2402.04,"endTime":2404.89,"body":"person's psychological traits,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2402.04,"endTime":2404.89,"body":"behaviors, and potential risks.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2404.89,"endTime":2409.27,"body":"So this is basically describing"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2404.89,"endTime":2409.27,"body":"surveillance of social media activity"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2409.45,"endTime":2414.52,"body":"and then, um, using it to make"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2409.45,"endTime":2414.52,"body":"claims about somebody's psychological"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2414.52,"endTime":2417.55,"body":"traits, behaviors, and potential"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2414.52,"endTime":2417.55,"body":"risks based on, you know, I bet"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2417.55,"endTime":2419.98,"body":"if we clicked around, we're not"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2417.55,"endTime":2419.98,"body":"gonna find how they evaluate this."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2420.13,"endTime":2420.49,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2420.49,"endTime":2421.025,"body":"This is just."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2421.1,"endTime":2427.009,"body":"This is just some Snowden leaks type"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2421.1,"endTime":2427.009,"body":"metadata, social network analysis stuff"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2427.13,"endTime":2434.18,"body":"with some, like, some like violence,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2427.13,"endTime":2434.18,"body":"like sentiment analysis bullshit."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2434.819,"endTime":2438.23,"body":"I don't imagine they're gonna be that"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2434.819,"endTime":2438.23,"body":"forthcoming of what they're doing."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2438.23,"endTime":2442.58,"body":"But yeah, this is very much"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2438.23,"endTime":2442.58,"body":"military industrial complex"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2442.58,"endTime":2443.779,"body":"security state bullshit."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2444.29,"endTime":2444.77,"body":"Gross."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2445.305,"endTime":2446.685,"body":"Um, okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2446.955,"endTime":2450.915,"body":"Here is a Verge article that"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2446.955,"endTime":2450.915,"body":"I'm, I want to call, it's"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2450.915,"endTime":2452.755,"body":"about the, uh, ChatGP-Tariffs."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2453.555,"endTime":2453.915,"body":"Oh Lord."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2455.055,"endTime":2457.935,"body":"Um, so, uh, um,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2455.055,"endTime":2457.935,"body":"I'm doing this one, Alex 'cause"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2457.935,"endTime":2458.965,"body":"you get to lead on the next one."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2459.345,"endTime":2459.945,"body":"Seeing what it is."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2460.215,"endTime":2464.235,"body":"Um, so this is April 3rd, 2025 by"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2460.215,"endTime":2464.235,"body":"Dominic Preston in the Verge with the"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2464.235,"endTime":2468.465,"body":"headline, \"Trump's new tariff math"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2464.235,"endTime":2468.465,"body":"looks a lot like ChatGPT's,\" and then"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2468.465,"endTime":2472.215,"body":"subhead, \"ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok, and"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2468.465,"endTime":2472.215,"body":"Claude all recommend the same quote,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2472.215,"endTime":2473.959,"body":"'nonsense' tariff calculation.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2474.049,"endTime":2479.87,"body":"And so what people found very quickly"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2474.049,"endTime":2479.87,"body":"after Trump announced, uh, the tariffs"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2479.87,"endTime":2482.629,"body":"that are like 10% on everybody, plus"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2479.87,"endTime":2482.629,"body":"some amount for different specific"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2482.629,"endTime":2488.265,"body":"countries, is, um-- and also what, uh,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2482.629,"endTime":2488.265,"body":"these are supposedly based on quote,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2488.295,"endTime":2493.035,"body":"\"tariffs charged to the USA\", but"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2488.295,"endTime":2493.035,"body":"that doesn't actually match anything."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2493.275,"endTime":2497.745,"body":"And some folks put in queries"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2493.275,"endTime":2497.745,"body":"into like, what's this first one?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2497.915,"endTime":2498.734,"body":"ChatGPT."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2499.035,"endTime":2501.945,"body":"Uh, \"What would be an easy way to"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2499.035,"endTime":2501.945,"body":"calculate the tariffs that should be"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2501.945,"endTime":2505.425,"body":"imposed on other countries so that the"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2501.945,"endTime":2505.425,"body":"US is on an even playing field when it"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2505.425,"endTime":2510.375,"body":"comes to its trade deficit?\" And then the"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2505.425,"endTime":2510.375,"body":"same silly equation keeps coming out that"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2510.375,"endTime":2514.5,"body":"says, uh, \"The tariff rate is the trade"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2510.375,"endTime":2514.5,"body":"deficit divided by total imports times"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2514.5,"endTime":2519.33,"body":"100.\" Um, and they've got screenshots of"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2514.5,"endTime":2519.33,"body":"all four of the things that they asked."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2519.629,"endTime":2524.399,"body":"Um, and so people are speculating in"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2519.629,"endTime":2524.399,"body":"fact, that someone in the administration"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2524.399,"endTime":2529.129,"body":"just ask ChatGPT, which could be,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2524.399,"endTime":2529.129,"body":"right, I wouldn't put it past them."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2529.379,"endTime":2534.065,"body":"At the same time, this silly idea wasn't"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2529.379,"endTime":2534.065,"body":"actually fabricated by the chatbots, but"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2534.065,"endTime":2536.705,"body":"it came from something in the training"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2534.065,"endTime":2536.705,"body":"data, and I don't see it in this article,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2536.705,"endTime":2540.215,"body":"but someone did sort of track down"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2536.705,"endTime":2540.215,"body":"the sort of original source of that."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2540.38,"endTime":2540.67,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2542.13,"endTime":2542.35,"body":"Ugh."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2542.38,"endTime":2542.67,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2543.035,"endTime":2543.335,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2543.545,"endTime":2546.375,"body":"Alright, so this is kind of the chaser."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2546.985,"endTime":2548.055,"body":"Um, and--"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2548.055,"endTime":2549.134,"body":"Kind of, yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2549.134,"endTime":2549.137,"body":"Kind of."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2549.555,"endTime":2550.154,"body":"So go for it."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2550.154,"endTime":2550.365,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2550.395,"endTime":2555.285,"body":"So this is, um, reporting"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2550.395,"endTime":2555.285,"body":"um, from the Verge."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2555.285,"endTime":2559.185,"body":"\"Microsoft employee disrupts 50th"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2555.285,"endTime":2559.185,"body":"anniversary and calls AI boss 'war"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2559.185,"endTime":2563.715,"body":"profiteer'. The employee sent an email"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2559.185,"endTime":2563.715,"body":"to a number of Microsoft distribution"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2563.715,"endTime":2567.465,"body":"lists after being ushered out the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2563.715,"endTime":2567.465,"body":"event.\" By Tom Warren and Jay Peters."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2568.125,"endTime":2572.565,"body":"Um, so really, um brave"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2568.125,"endTime":2572.565,"body":"action here by this employee."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2572.654,"endTime":2573.985,"body":"I love this photo."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2573.985,"endTime":2574.984,"body":"It's, (crosstalk)."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2575.035,"endTime":2581.425,"body":"So the photo's um, a woman"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2575.035,"endTime":2581.425,"body":"in a hijab and she's standing in front"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2581.425,"endTime":2586.455,"body":"of a screen that says \"Your AI company,\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2581.425,"endTime":2586.455,"body":"I think, uh, she's blocking part of it."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2586.455,"endTime":2590.805,"body":"And she's yelling at Mustafa Suleyman,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2586.455,"endTime":2590.805,"body":"our friend, head of Microsoft AI."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2591.195,"endTime":2597.585,"body":"Um, and she says, \"'Shame on you,' said"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2591.195,"endTime":2597.585,"body":"Microsoft employee Ibtihal Aboussad,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2597.915,"endTime":2602.205,"body":"speaking directly to Microsoft AI CEO"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2597.915,"endTime":2602.205,"body":"Mustafa Suleyman, 'You're a war profiteer."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2602.205,"endTime":2603.705,"body":"Stop using AI for genocide."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2604.529,"endTime":2606.87,"body":"Stopping using AI for"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2604.529,"endTime":2606.87,"body":"genocide in our region."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2607.259,"endTime":2608.31,"body":"You have blood on your hands."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2608.31,"endTime":2609.99,"body":"All of Microsoft has blood on its hands."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2609.99,"endTime":2612.609,"body":"How dare you celebrate"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2609.99,"endTime":2612.609,"body":"when AI is killing--when"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2612.629,"endTime":2613.799,"body":"Microsoft is killing children."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2613.799,"endTime":2614.459,"body":"Shame on you all.'\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2614.7,"endTime":2618.779,"body":"And if you, yeah, definitely go to this"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2614.7,"endTime":2618.779,"body":"link we'll have in show notes, where, her"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2618.779,"endTime":2624.54,"body":"full letter is is really, uh, is really"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2618.779,"endTime":2624.54,"body":"great to read and um, and really helpful."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2624.99,"endTime":2625.259,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2625.379,"endTime":2626.355,"body":"And I just wanna, um."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2627.87,"endTime":2628.56,"body":"Oh yes."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2628.77,"endTime":2632.28,"body":"\"She says, 'If I knew my work on"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2628.77,"endTime":2632.28,"body":"transcription scenarios would help you spy"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2632.28,"endTime":2636.03,"body":"on and transcribe phone calls to better"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2632.28,"endTime":2636.03,"body":"target Palestinians, I would not have"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2636.03,"endTime":2639.24,"body":"joined this organization and contributed"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2636.03,"endTime":2639.24,"body":"to genocide. I did not sign up to write"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2639.24,"endTime":2640.7,"body":"code that violates human rights.'\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2641.31,"endTime":2643.83,"body":"Just, wonderful straight talking there."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2644.1,"endTime":2644.19,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2645.57,"endTime":2645.9,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2645.9,"endTime":2651.27,"body":"So, chaser in the sense"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2645.9,"endTime":2651.27,"body":"of we stan this employee."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2652.35,"endTime":2652.41,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2652.41,"endTime":2658.62,"body":"Very, very important to be still"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2652.41,"endTime":2658.62,"body":"advocating despite all the kind of, um,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2659.13,"endTime":2662.97,"body":"chilling effects they've had on employee"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2659.13,"endTime":2662.97,"body":"activism at Microsoft and Google."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2663.45,"endTime":2663.75,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2664.32,"endTime":2664.44,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2665.19,"endTime":2667.11,"body":"Uh, I think that takes us"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2665.19,"endTime":2667.11,"body":"to number five, doesn't it?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2667.44,"endTime":2667.92,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2667.92,"endTime":2669.39,"body":"Is that, is that the last,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2667.92,"endTime":2669.39,"body":"is that the last one?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2669.45,"endTime":2672.17,"body":"No, I've got this, I've"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2669.45,"endTime":2672.17,"body":"got this group of chasers for six though."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2672.2,"endTime":2674.46,"body":"So this is the last this, this"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2672.2,"endTime":2674.46,"body":"is the last of the bad stuff."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2674.55,"endTime":2674.64,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2675.78,"endTime":2678.75,"body":"Um, so we got"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2675.78,"endTime":2678.75,"body":"a couple pieces here on, um"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2679.109,"endTime":2684.129,"body":"microsoft and others backing out"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2679.109,"endTime":2684.129,"body":"of the big data center expansion."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2684.45,"endTime":2692.16,"body":"So this is from Semafor, um, from,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2684.45,"endTime":2692.16,"body":"uh, today, um, April 7th, 2025."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2692.16,"endTime":2694.319,"body":"It must have been posted yesterday"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2692.16,"endTime":2694.319,"body":"if I got it into this group."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2694.515,"endTime":2695.765,"body":"Oh, no,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2694.515,"endTime":2695.765,"body":"no, it's not, it's not."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2695.769,"endTime":2697.11,"body":"It's, it's from March 20th."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2697.2,"endTime":2697.769,"body":"It's March 20th."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2697.83,"endTime":2697.89,"body":"Oh--"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2697.89,"endTime":2700.455,"body":"That's, that's just"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2697.89,"endTime":2700.455,"body":"telling you what time it is right now."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2700.665,"endTime":2701.624,"body":"That's not helpful."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2702.884,"endTime":2703.245,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2703.394,"endTime":2704.745,"body":"March 20th, 2025."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2704.924,"endTime":2709.694,"body":"Headline is, \"Microsoft chose not to"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2704.924,"endTime":2709.694,"body":"exercise $12 billion CoreWeave option,\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2709.964,"endTime":2712.305,"body":"by Rohan Goswami and Liz Hoffman."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2712.575,"endTime":2716.265,"body":"Um, with the sticker \"business.\" And"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2712.575,"endTime":2716.265,"body":"\"The scoop,\" it says, \"Microsoft chose"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2716.265,"endTime":2719.805,"body":"not to exercise a nearly $12 billion"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2716.265,"endTime":2719.805,"body":"option to buy more data center capacity"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2719.805,"endTime":2722.894,"body":"from CoreWeave, people familiar"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2719.805,"endTime":2722.894,"body":"with the matter said, a sign that"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2722.894,"endTime":2726.765,"body":"big tech companies are starting to"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2722.894,"endTime":2726.765,"body":"rightsize and tailor their AI budgets.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2727.35,"endTime":2731.49,"body":"Um, so this is actually good news, right?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2731.519,"endTime":2732.029,"body":"Yeah?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2733.479,"endTime":2733.999,"body":"Hopefully."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2733.999,"endTime":2734.659,"body":"Hopefully."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2735.149,"endTime":2736.979,"body":"Uh, and then similarly,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2735.149,"endTime":2736.979,"body":"you wanna do this one?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2737.069,"endTime":2737.339,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2737.339,"endTime":2744.089,"body":"So this MIT tech review from, uh, Caiwei"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2737.339,"endTime":2744.089,"body":"Chen from March 26th, um, \"China built"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2744.089,"endTime":2748.039,"body":"hundreds of AI data centers to catch"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2744.089,"endTime":2748.039,"body":"the AI boom. Now, many stand unused."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2748.759,"endTime":2751.765,"body":"The country poured billions into AI"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2748.759,"endTime":2751.765,"body":"infrastructure, but the data center"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2751.765,"endTime":2754.884,"body":"gold rush is unraveling as speculative"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2751.765,"endTime":2754.884,"body":"investments collide with weak demand"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2754.884,"endTime":2757.665,"body":"and DeepSeek shifts AI trends.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2758.275,"endTime":2762.325,"body":"So lots of, uh, lots of"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2758.275,"endTime":2762.325,"body":"data centers not being used."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2762.325,"endTime":2762.535,"body":"I mean--"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2762.535,"endTime":2763.615,"body":"This"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2762.535,"endTime":2763.615,"body":"is a great image too."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2764.005,"endTime":2768.174,"body":"The image is a bunch of like"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2764.005,"endTime":2768.174,"body":"Cat 5 cables covered in, uh, cobwebs."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2768.955,"endTime":2769.015,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2770.035,"endTime":2772.105,"body":"So, um, good news."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2772.105,"endTime":2775.165,"body":"I mean, I'm sad that those data"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2772.105,"endTime":2775.165,"body":"centers are built at all, but"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2775.165,"endTime":2778.44,"body":"at least they're not, you know,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2775.165,"endTime":2778.44,"body":"the energy is not churning out."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2779.17,"endTime":2779.71,"body":"Yeah, yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2780.89,"endTime":2781.319,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2781.56,"endTime":2784.455,"body":"Um, this one is hilarious."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2785.325,"endTime":2785.615,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2785.62,"endTime":2791.55,"body":"This is, so this is, uh, Sarah T. Roberts,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2785.62,"endTime":2791.55,"body":"uh, friend of friend of the pod, um,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2791.76,"endTime":2795.975,"body":"\"OpenAI co-founder Ilya Sutskever's"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2791.76,"endTime":2795.975,"body":"new startup Safe Super Intelligence"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2795.975,"endTime":2800.444,"body":"just closed another funding round for"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2795.975,"endTime":2800.444,"body":"$2 billion, Sutskever promises not to"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2800.444,"endTime":2805.605,"body":"release any product at all until SSI has"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2800.444,"endTime":2805.605,"body":"developed quote, 'super intelligence.'\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2805.935,"endTime":2809.115,"body":"\"In other words, here's 2 billion,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2805.935,"endTime":2809.115,"body":"2 billion to do nothing.\" And it's"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2809.115,"endTime":2812.775,"body":"got a picture of, um, Altman and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2809.115,"endTime":2812.775,"body":"Sutskever standing, uh, sitting"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2812.985,"endTime":2814.185,"body":"on, doing some kind of panel."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2815.714,"endTime":2819.285,"body":"And I, I saw some other"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2815.714,"endTime":2819.285,"body":"folks pushing back on this angle on it."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2819.375,"endTime":2822.984,"body":"Um, but you know, there's"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2819.375,"endTime":2822.984,"body":"always the, the fanboys."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2823.154,"endTime":2823.725,"body":"Um, yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2824.759,"endTime":2825.24,"body":"And oh yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2825.27,"endTime":2827.31,"body":"Oh, well, no, Ed Zitron,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2825.27,"endTime":2827.31,"body":"\"That isn't what the article"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2827.31,"endTime":2828.54,"body":"they're aggregating even says.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2828.87,"endTime":2831.63,"body":"Um, so Sarah T. Roberts, \"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2831.63,"endTime":2834.09,"body":"The Wall Street Journal says that"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2831.63,"endTime":2834.09,"body":"he'll be focusing all his energies on"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2834.09,"endTime":2837.21,"body":"ASI efforts and not releasing anything"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2834.09,"endTime":2837.21,"body":"else until he achieves that goal."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2837.69,"endTime":2840.45,"body":"Since that shit is vaporware"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2837.69,"endTime":2840.45,"body":"fantasy, the conclusion stands."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2840.81,"endTime":2841.89,"body":"Thanks for stopping by, I guess.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2843.3,"endTime":2843.72,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2844.585,"endTime":2850.14,"body":"Um, so, um, yeah, this"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2844.585,"endTime":2850.14,"body":"is, it's like, can, can we get $2 billion"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2850.14,"endTime":2852.3,"body":"to not release super intelligence?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2852.51,"endTime":2856.14,"body":"I would love $2 billion"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2852.51,"endTime":2856.14,"body":"to not release super intelligence."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2856.14,"endTime":2857.25,"body":"I'm doing that right now."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2857.82,"endTime":2858.39,"body":"Yeah, exactly."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2858.39,"endTime":2859.125,"body":"Where's, where's my $2 billion?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2859.47,"endTime":2861.33,"body":"Yes, totally."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2861.899,"endTime":2862.35,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2862.35,"endTime":2864.75,"body":"This one I think we, we have some"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2862.35,"endTime":2864.75,"body":"time to go into in some detail."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2864.75,"endTime":2865.47,"body":"It's gross."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2865.47,"endTime":2871.649,"body":"So this is in, uh, Fortune by Preston"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2865.47,"endTime":2871.649,"body":"four or Foray, March 27th, 2025."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2872.009,"endTime":2874.62,"body":"Sticker is \"success\" and \"future of work.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2876.0,"endTime":2880.14,"body":"And then, \"Bill Gates says a two day"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2876.0,"endTime":2880.14,"body":"work week is coming in just 10 years"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2880.14,"endTime":2883.89,"body":"thanks to AI replacing humans quote"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2880.14,"endTime":2883.89,"body":"'for most things,'\" and this is, I"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2883.89,"endTime":2888.675,"body":"think I had three-- oh, am I gonna have"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2883.89,"endTime":2888.675,"body":"to-- we'll see how much we can get."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2889.005,"endTime":2894.735,"body":"Um, the, Gates talks about it automating"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2889.005,"endTime":2894.735,"body":"teachers and automating doctors,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2894.735,"endTime":2898.875,"body":"and he basically went on like a,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2894.735,"endTime":2898.875,"body":"um, what's the word I'm looking for?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2899.205,"endTime":2901.725,"body":"Um, a, a podcasting spree."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2901.725,"endTime":2902.775,"body":"Talking to all these people."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2902.775,"endTime":2905.175,"body":"I think he was talking to"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2902.775,"endTime":2905.175,"body":"Trevor Noah and somebody else."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2905.415,"endTime":2907.815,"body":"And like each place there's"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2905.415,"endTime":2907.815,"body":"some ridiculous claim."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2907.815,"endTime":2910.365,"body":"So, \"Say hello to a five day weekend."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2910.395,"endTime":2913.365,"body":"Billionaire Microsoft co-founder bill"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2910.395,"endTime":2913.365,"body":"Gates says artificial intelligence"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2913.365,"endTime":2916.605,"body":"may soon automate almost everything"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2913.365,"endTime":2916.605,"body":"and with it usher in a two day"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2916.605,"endTime":2918.045,"body":"work week in less than a decade."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2918.375,"endTime":2921.105,"body":"If you're not a fan of the nine to"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2918.375,"endTime":2921.105,"body":"five weekly grind, there's good news."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2921.105,"endTime":2923.925,"body":"Bill Gates is predicting that in"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2921.105,"endTime":2923.925,"body":"just 10 years, humans might just"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2923.925,"endTime":2925.005,"body":"work for two days outta the week."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2925.005,"endTime":2926.355,"body":"And it's all thanks to AI.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2927.435,"endTime":2929.535,"body":"Um, oh, this one's Jimmy Fallon now."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2929.745,"endTime":2932.924,"body":"Um, and somewhere."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2933.045,"endTime":2935.384,"body":"Oh, this is the part that really got"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2933.045,"endTime":2935.384,"body":"me, and this is why this is filed under"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2935.384,"endTime":2941.145,"body":"TESCREALism, \"A five day weekend could"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2935.384,"endTime":2941.145,"body":"boost birth rates and kill burnout.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2941.15,"endTime":2941.569,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2943.75,"endTime":2946.545,"body":"That's the birth rates thing is wild."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2946.545,"endTime":2952.03,"body":"I mean, it's just, just like straight"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2946.545,"endTime":2952.03,"body":"up, like all these fuckers are natalists"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2952.05,"endTime":2956.76,"body":"and they're just like, like Musk and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2952.05,"endTime":2956.76,"body":"like there's, and there was some kind"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2956.76,"endTime":2961.32,"body":"of stat that they found I think from,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2956.76,"endTime":2961.32,"body":"I forgot what country that they had."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2961.32,"endTime":2962.16,"body":"I think it was Japan."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2962.16,"endTime":2967.275,"body":"They were saying like, oh, Japan like"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2962.16,"endTime":2967.275,"body":"did this and it boosted birth rates,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2967.275,"endTime":2971.085,"body":"and you're like, what are you, like,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2967.275,"endTime":2971.085,"body":"what is this obsession with birth?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2971.115,"endTime":2974.025,"body":"I mean, it's positive eugenics,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2971.115,"endTime":2974.025,"body":"that's what it is, but it's just"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2974.025,"endTime":2977.895,"body":"like, man, y'all have completely"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":2974.025,"endTime":2977.895,"body":"gone down this rabbit hole."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2978.45,"endTime":2978.87,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2979.109,"endTime":2979.35,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2979.35,"endTime":2984.33,"body":"And you know, not to say that we need"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2979.35,"endTime":2984.33,"body":"to be working 40 hour weeks, right?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2984.43,"endTime":2987.66,"body":"That's um, but it's got"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2984.43,"endTime":2987.66,"body":"nothing to do with ai."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2987.81,"endTime":2992.49,"body":"And we have this great, very sarcastic,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2987.81,"endTime":2992.49,"body":"um, comment from Elizabeth With A Z, \"When"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2992.49,"endTime":2995.85,"body":"worker productivity increases, the bosses"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2992.49,"endTime":2995.85,"body":"pay you the same and give you three days"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":2995.85,"endTime":2999.33,"body":"off. Like that's gonna happen, right?\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3000.049,"endTime":3000.709,"body":"Does that work?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3000.769,"endTime":3001.819,"body":"Does that how it happens?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3003.41,"endTime":3003.499,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3003.56,"endTime":3006.35,"body":"And Abstract Tesseract, \"Bill Gates"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3003.56,"endTime":3006.35,"body":"has yet to propose a future that's"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3006.35,"endTime":3009.41,"body":"more appealing than the one where he"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3006.35,"endTime":3009.41,"body":"redistributes the wealth and power"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3009.41,"endTime":3011.18,"body":"he's extracted in his rise to power.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3012.2,"endTime":3012.319,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3012.83,"endTime":3013.22,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3014.149,"endTime":3016.7,"body":"Um, and then the two professions"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3014.149,"endTime":3016.7,"body":"likely to be replaced by AI,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3017.359,"endTime":3020.259,"body":"um, doctors and teachers."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3022.46,"endTime":3027.275,"body":"That's just like"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3022.46,"endTime":3027.275,"body":"really, first off, wild."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3028.355,"endTime":3032.705,"body":"Absolutely wild that that's a thing that"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3028.355,"endTime":3032.705,"body":"he thinks is going to happen at all."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3033.245,"endTime":3040.624,"body":"And then, and also the like idea that"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3033.245,"endTime":3040.624,"body":"like-- first off, numerically even,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3040.894,"endTime":3044.914,"body":"most of, most of the people in the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3040.894,"endTime":3044.914,"body":"world are not doctors or teachers."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3045.664,"endTime":3049.084,"body":"Um, so just numerically, most"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3045.664,"endTime":3049.084,"body":"people wouldn't be doing that."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3049.084,"endTime":3054.484,"body":"But if he thinks that like most of"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3049.084,"endTime":3054.484,"body":"the automation that will be done,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3054.604,"endTime":3058.205,"body":"most that like \"as significant people"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3054.604,"endTime":3058.205,"body":"are exposed to that automation,\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3058.205,"endTime":3060.305,"body":"which isn't true as well."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3060.664,"endTime":3064.535,"body":"And then like those two, those"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3060.664,"endTime":3064.535,"body":"are the two you chose to focus"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3064.535,"endTime":3066.665,"body":"on like, aren't those the two?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3066.665,"endTime":3070.504,"body":"Like, and you're going on a, like a"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3066.665,"endTime":3070.504,"body":"program like Fallon to say such a thing."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3070.745,"endTime":3074.105,"body":"This also, sorry, this is my"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3070.745,"endTime":3074.105,"body":"own high horse about Fallon."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3074.404,"endTime":3081.635,"body":"This is just like, goes on to the um,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3074.404,"endTime":3081.635,"body":"just like the, uh, list of terrible people"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3081.635,"endTime":3087.635,"body":"that Fallon has platformed, like when he"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3081.635,"endTime":3087.635,"body":"rubbed, um, Trump's hair like in 2016 and"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3087.635,"endTime":3093.095,"body":"like, you know, anyway, I've been a, I've"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3087.635,"endTime":3093.095,"body":"been a Fallon hater from like day one."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3093.305,"endTime":3098.779,"body":"Like day one, I like was actually,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3093.305,"endTime":3098.779,"body":"like in the crowd for his show"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3098.779,"endTime":3102.034,"body":"in like in like 20, like 2008."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3102.264,"endTime":3104.18,"body":"And I like trolled him in the audience."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3104.484,"endTime":3107.629,"body":"Deep, deep, Alex Hanna lore,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3104.484,"endTime":3107.629,"body":"and he got really mad at me."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3107.81,"endTime":3109.16,"body":"Anyways, I'm a hater."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3109.164,"endTime":3109.785,"body":"Nice, nice, nice."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3109.935,"endTime":3113.6,"body":"You know, you know, I think I know why"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3109.935,"endTime":3113.6,"body":"Gates went for those two professions,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3113.6,"endTime":3118.159,"body":"because that's where he's been focusing"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3113.6,"endTime":3118.159,"body":"the, the philanthropic work in the"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3118.159,"endTime":3119.419,"body":"Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3119.419,"endTime":3119.569,"body":"Right."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3119.569,"endTime":3120.529,"body":"Education and health."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3121.325,"endTime":3121.454,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3121.454,"endTime":3124.16,"body":"Um, and he thinks it's"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3121.454,"endTime":3124.16,"body":"just, you know, he's got it all solved."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3124.16,"endTime":3124.22,"body":"Oh."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3124.57,"endTime":3129.41,"body":"Oh, update that just literally"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3124.57,"endTime":3129.41,"body":"got posted about the, about"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3129.41,"endTime":3131.41,"body":"the protestor at Microsoft."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3132.02,"endTime":3136.3,"body":"From the No Azure-- because I"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3132.02,"endTime":3136.3,"body":"was just on Bluesky, uh, from the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3136.3,"endTime":3138.55,"body":"No Azure for Apartheid account."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3138.58,"endTime":3142.81,"body":"It says, she was just"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3138.58,"endTime":3142.81,"body":"fired for that protest."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3143.17,"endTime":3149.06,"body":"So her and someone named, uh,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3143.17,"endTime":3149.06,"body":"Ibtihal Aboussad and Vaniya Agrawal."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3149.06,"endTime":3152.62,"body":"So yeah, when I was basically,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3149.06,"endTime":3152.62,"body":"I'll drop it in the chat."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3152.68,"endTime":3153.43,"body":"Um."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3154.399,"endTime":3156.29,"body":"'cause our producer is asking for it."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3156.29,"endTime":3161.93,"body":"So this is the, um, you"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3156.29,"endTime":3161.93,"body":"know, like, so, wow."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3161.99,"endTime":3164.74,"body":"Just kind of on schedule saying"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3161.99,"endTime":3164.74,"body":"like, I hope they're not penalized"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3164.74,"endTime":3166.629,"body":"and immediately being penalized."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3166.645,"endTime":3166.685,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3166.73,"endTime":3167.06,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3167.06,"endTime":3170.089,"body":"I mean, it's not surprising, but I"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3167.06,"endTime":3170.089,"body":"hope this, I hope this gives her a"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3170.089,"endTime":3173.54,"body":"great platform and that she does as"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3170.089,"endTime":3173.54,"body":"much with it as Timnit has with hers."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3174.77,"endTime":3175.669,"body":"Fingers crossed."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3175.669,"endTime":3179.209,"body":"I mean, I think that any organizing,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3175.669,"endTime":3179.209,"body":"you know, like where folks can"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3179.209,"endTime":3180.529,"body":"get together is really needed."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3181.04,"endTime":3181.28,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3182.18,"endTime":3182.42,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3182.42,"endTime":3184.82,"body":"I've got one last batch"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3182.42,"endTime":3184.82,"body":"and it's all chasers."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3184.82,"endTime":3187.25,"body":"I wanna do this first one"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3184.82,"endTime":3187.25,"body":"'cause it cracked me up so hard."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3187.34,"endTime":3192.74,"body":"This is a Bluesky post, um, from"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3187.34,"endTime":3192.74,"body":"March 20th and it's by Laura Bassett."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3192.98,"endTime":3198.59,"body":"And it's basically a, a, uh,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3192.98,"endTime":3198.59,"body":"image of a Wired headline um, that"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3198.59,"endTime":3200.195,"body":"Laura prefixes with two lines."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3200.195,"endTime":3203.99,"body":"So I'm gonna read her two lines and then"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3200.195,"endTime":3203.99,"body":"the Wired headline and it goes, \"Roses"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3203.99,"endTime":3207.32,"body":"are red, violets are blue. 'Nearly"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3203.99,"endTime":3207.32,"body":"all cyber trucks have been recalled"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3207.32,"endTime":3209.27,"body":"because Tesla used the wrong glue.'\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3210.604,"endTime":3210.814,"body":"Wild."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3211.624,"endTime":3213.604,"body":"I just, I just"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3211.624,"endTime":3213.604,"body":"love that she spotted that she"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3213.604,"endTime":3215.225,"body":"could like, fit that in like that."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3215.615,"endTime":3216.245,"body":"Oh, completely."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3216.544,"endTime":3216.845,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3217.145,"endTime":3218.529,"body":"So that was, that was lots of fun."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3218.79,"endTime":3219.009,"body":"Um."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3220.174,"endTime":3222.935,"body":"This one is kind of long, which is"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3220.174,"endTime":3222.935,"body":"good because we have time for it."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3222.935,"endTime":3225.854,"body":"And I'm giving it to"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3222.935,"endTime":3225.854,"body":"you, Alex, 'cause D\u0026D."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3225.87,"endTime":3229.444,"body":"So this is a long"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3225.87,"endTime":3229.444,"body":"thread from someone named Pavel."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3229.774,"endTime":3233.774,"body":"Um, so, uh, SPavel.Bluesky.Social."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3234.214,"endTime":3236.645,"body":"Um, so, \"The literal genie"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3234.214,"endTime":3236.645,"body":"is a very common trope."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3236.645,"endTime":3239.794,"body":"When you make a wish you"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3236.645,"endTime":3239.794,"body":"exactly what you, you wish for."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3240.115,"endTime":3243.625,"body":"This is one of the explicit limits"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3240.115,"endTime":3243.625,"body":"on the spell 'wish' from D\u0026D, often"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3243.654,"endTime":3246.654,"body":"called the most powerful spell in"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3243.654,"endTime":3246.654,"body":"the game because its effects is to"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3246.654,"endTime":3251.064,"body":"quote, 'make a wish, and it comes"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3246.654,"endTime":3251.064,"body":"true.'\" Uh, and then in parentheses,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3251.064,"endTime":3252.535,"body":"\"This is a thread about tech.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3252.564,"endTime":3257.97,"body":"And so it's basically like this idea where"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3252.564,"endTime":3257.97,"body":"like you have to ask what you wish for."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3258.029,"endTime":3262.47,"body":"It can lead to like sort of monkey's"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3258.029,"endTime":3262.47,"body":"paw situations and so like sort of ways"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3262.47,"endTime":3268.379,"body":"in which, um, certain dm, you know, DMs"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3262.47,"endTime":3268.379,"body":"try to one up their player characters."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3268.709,"endTime":3276.089,"body":"Um, and also the way in which, um, yeah--"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3268.709,"endTime":3276.089,"body":"so then there's, there's another, um,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3278.105,"endTime":3282.154,"body":"another skeet that says, \"People have so"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3278.105,"endTime":3282.154,"body":"much fun refining the the perfect wish"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3282.154,"endTime":3286.145,"body":"for, or prompt, if you will, see where"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3282.154,"endTime":3286.145,"body":"we're going with this? that they miss"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3286.145,"endTime":3292.645,"body":"another very important line of the spell's"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3286.145,"endTime":3292.645,"body":"text. A wish can not only can-- a wish can"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3292.825,"endTime":3297.255,"body":"be not only twisted, but also partially"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3292.825,"endTime":3297.255,"body":"fulfilled if the effect requested"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3297.275,"endTime":3298.865,"body":"is beyond the power of the spell.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3299.255,"endTime":3302.795,"body":"And the kind of kicker here is,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3299.255,"endTime":3302.795,"body":"\"LLMs are the wish spell of serious"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3302.795,"endTime":3304.715,"body":"and highly paid tech professionals."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3305.315,"endTime":3309.125,"body":"Um, this is why every AI fail will"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3305.315,"endTime":3309.125,"body":"be met with, 'what was the prompt?'"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3309.335,"endTime":3313.205,"body":"This is why devs think that asking"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3309.335,"endTime":3313.205,"body":"their LLM to not hallucinate will"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3313.205,"endTime":3314.555,"body":"prevent it from hallucinating."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3314.9,"endTime":3318.38,"body":"The prompt is a wish and the perfect"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3314.9,"endTime":3318.38,"body":"wish can do anything, except of course,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3318.38,"endTime":3320.33,"body":"within the bounds of the spells of power.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3320.72,"endTime":3321.38,"body":"So yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3322.25,"endTime":3323.21,"body":"That's a really nice--"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3323.27,"endTime":3326.509,"body":"Any D\u0026D, any D\u0026D"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3323.27,"endTime":3326.509,"body":"uh, tie-ins where possible."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3327.23,"endTime":3327.62,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3328.069,"endTime":3329.6,"body":"Um, I also like this next one here."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3329.96,"endTime":3333.5,"body":"So same thread, \"We are constantly told"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3329.96,"endTime":3333.5,"body":"that AI is a revolutionary technology."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3333.65,"endTime":3336.89,"body":"Just as the rule book explicitly says"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3333.65,"endTime":3336.89,"body":"'Wish' is the most powerful spell there"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3336.89,"endTime":3341.729,"body":"is. It's not true in either case, but the"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3336.89,"endTime":3341.729,"body":"story around it makes it seem so, makes"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3341.729,"endTime":3345.049,"body":"it seem like it can solve any problem"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3341.729,"endTime":3345.049,"body":"unless you understand how it works.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3345.66,"endTime":3350.129,"body":"So, uh, d and d lore,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3345.66,"endTime":3350.129,"body":"uh, for the win here."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3350.519,"endTime":3350.609,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3350.939,"endTime":3354.6,"body":"Um, oh, and we have some,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3350.939,"endTime":3354.6,"body":"some more input from Christie."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3354.6,"endTime":3358.259,"body":"\"In folklore the three-wish structure"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3354.6,"endTime":3358.259,"body":"also tends to be 1, wish for the thing."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3358.62,"endTime":3359.91,"body":"It's not quite what you imagined."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3359.91,"endTime":3363.12,"body":"2, wish to fix it while still getting"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3359.91,"endTime":3363.12,"body":"something good from the wish process."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3363.12,"endTime":3366.479,"body":"And 3, wish to put everything back"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3363.12,"endTime":3366.479,"body":"together the way it was pre-wish.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3367.279,"endTime":3368.81,"body":"Yeah, that's what I wish for."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3370.73,"endTime":3370.85,"body":"Lord."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3370.91,"endTime":3372.135,"body":"Um, all right."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3372.725,"endTime":3374.165,"body":"You ready for this last one, Alex?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3374.194,"endTime":3375.125,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3375.274,"endTime":3376.475,"body":"This is big news."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3376.685,"endTime":3376.834,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3376.834,"endTime":3380.464,"body":"We actually finally met in"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3376.834,"endTime":3380.464,"body":"person, believe it or not."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3380.794,"endTime":3385.845,"body":"Um, right after, actually, this"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3380.794,"endTime":3385.845,"body":"is before the large, the chatbot--"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3385.845,"endTime":3386.395,"body":"The great chatbot debate."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3386.395,"endTime":3387.225,"body":"The great chatbot debate."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3387.245,"endTime":3392.194,"body":"I almost called it the large chatbot"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3387.245,"endTime":3392.194,"body":"debate, um, which large is modifying"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3392.285,"endTime":3393.515,"body":"the chatbot, not the debate."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3393.875,"endTime":3398.134,"body":"Um, but we met in person"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3393.875,"endTime":3398.134,"body":"and uh, it's very funny."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3398.484,"endTime":3402.174,"body":"Because it took us 50 episodes,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3398.484,"endTime":3402.174,"body":"writing a book and two papers"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3402.174,"endTime":3404.845,"body":"together to actually meet in person."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3404.845,"endTime":3406.585,"body":"So yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3406.615,"endTime":3409.455,"body":"Now you get a sense of our relative sizes."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3409.714,"endTime":3409.984,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3409.984,"endTime":3411.535,"body":"In case anyone was wondering."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3411.535,"endTime":3415.134,"body":"And no, it was, it was so great to"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3411.535,"endTime":3415.134,"body":"finally meet in person and, um, I"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3415.134,"endTime":3419.544,"body":"think amazing that we have done so"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3415.134,"endTime":3419.544,"body":"much together over all these years."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3419.544,"endTime":3421.365,"body":"And I mean, we started"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3419.544,"endTime":3421.365,"body":"working together in 2020."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3421.674,"endTime":3424.944,"body":"And I guess in 2020 it wasn't"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3421.674,"endTime":3424.944,"body":"surprising that people were just"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3424.944,"endTime":3428.109,"body":"inside the little box on the"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3424.944,"endTime":3428.109,"body":"screen, but, you know, since then."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3428.109,"endTime":3429.1,"body":"And we've had some near misses."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3429.1,"endTime":3430.42,"body":"Remember we almost met up in Paris?"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3431.694,"endTime":3433.234,"body":"Oh yeah,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3431.694,"endTime":3433.234,"body":"that's--when I had Covid?"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3433.834,"endTime":3434.115,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3434.814,"endTime":3435.035,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3436.384,"endTime":3436.674,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3436.879,"endTime":3438.35,"body":"And that was,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3436.879,"endTime":3438.35,"body":"it was also totally random."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3438.35,"endTime":3440.6,"body":"'cause I was on a train to"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3438.35,"endTime":3440.6,"body":"Paris and like posting about it."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3440.6,"endTime":3443.359,"body":"And then I think Sasha Luccioni saw that"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3440.6,"endTime":3443.359,"body":"and said, oh, you're gonna be in Paris."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3443.359,"endTime":3443.93,"body":"I'm in Paris."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3443.93,"endTime":3444.859,"body":"And you said, I'm in Paris too."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3445.7,"endTime":3447.019,"body":"I'm in"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3445.7,"endTime":3447.019,"body":"Paris, but I can't meet."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3447.019,"endTime":3447.47,"body":"Sorry."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3447.95,"endTime":3448.31,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3448.399,"endTime":3450.47,"body":"So we, we finally"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3448.399,"endTime":3450.47,"body":"did, and it was worth the wait."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3450.499,"endTime":3450.68,"body":"Totally."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3450.68,"endTime":3450.74,"body":"Um."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3451.6,"endTime":3452.019,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3452.229,"endTime":3453.22,"body":"And absolutely excellent."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3453.22,"endTime":3456.589,"body":"And I just wanna raise up, um, a couple"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3453.22,"endTime":3456.589,"body":"of --these are both funny from SJayLett"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3456.609,"endTime":3460.209,"body":"in the chat about the monkey paws"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3456.609,"endTime":3460.209,"body":"wishes here: \"The only winning wish"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3460.209,"endTime":3463.61,"body":"is not to play. The only winning move"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3460.209,"endTime":3463.61,"body":"is not to wish? Something like that.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3463.73,"endTime":3464.0,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3464.18,"endTime":3465.47,"body":"You can, you can do that."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3466.01,"endTime":3466.79,"body":"And yeah."},{"speaker":"And then Abstract Tesseract","startTime":3467.06,"endTime":3475.02,"body":"\"Mystery Hype"},{"speaker":"And then Abstract Tesseract","startTime":3467.06,"endTime":3475.02,"body":"AI Theater 3000 IRL, for the win, LOL.\""},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3475.14,"endTime":3475.3,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3475.57,"endTime":3477.98,"body":"I think we have to render"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3475.57,"endTime":3477.98,"body":"that all as acronyms."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3478.14,"endTime":3481.53,"body":"\"MAIHT3K IRL FTW LOL.\""},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3481.7,"endTime":3482.12,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3482.27,"endTime":3484.504,"body":"I'm not gonna be able to"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3482.27,"endTime":3484.504,"body":"do that without stumbling."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3484.654,"endTime":3485.015,"body":"So anyhow."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3486.154,"endTime":3486.484,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3486.814,"endTime":3487.085,"body":"All right."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3487.085,"endTime":3490.714,"body":"Well we've made it through another,"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3487.085,"endTime":3490.714,"body":"another round of Fresh AI Hell, and I"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3490.714,"endTime":3493.915,"body":"have to say that I, um, in principle"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3490.714,"endTime":3493.915,"body":"want to make sure that I've culled"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3493.915,"endTime":3497.254,"body":"all the links, but I only went back"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3493.915,"endTime":3497.254,"body":"like two weeks and found all of those."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3497.254,"endTime":3500.105,"body":"It has been coming down so"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3497.254,"endTime":3500.105,"body":"thick and so fast recently."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3500.345,"endTime":3501.955,"body":"So thank you all for"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3500.345,"endTime":3501.955,"body":"coming along with the ride."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3501.955,"endTime":3506.194,"body":"I hope you also feel refreshed and"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3501.955,"endTime":3506.194,"body":"ready to take on what comes next."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3506.464,"endTime":3507.904,"body":"I also wanna say that I think."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3508.775,"endTime":3513.425,"body":"We had a lot more good news than we"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3508.775,"endTime":3513.425,"body":"usually have, so you know, that's a thing."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3513.985,"endTime":3517.025,"body":"So hopefully it kind of resolves,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3513.985,"endTime":3517.025,"body":"even though the world is kind of"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3517.025,"endTime":3520.115,"body":"going into AI Hell in a hand basket."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3521.345,"endTime":3521.555,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3522.035,"endTime":3524.765,"body":"That's it for this week, our theme"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3522.035,"endTime":3524.765,"body":"song is by Toby Menon, graphic"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3524.765,"endTime":3527.975,"body":"design by Naomi Pleasure-Park,"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3524.765,"endTime":3527.975,"body":"production by Christie Taylor."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3527.975,"endTime":3531.29,"body":"And thanks as always to the"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3527.975,"endTime":3531.29,"body":"Distributed AI Research Institute."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3531.79,"endTime":3534.815,"body":"If you like this show, you can"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3531.79,"endTime":3534.815,"body":"support us in so many ways."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3535.185,"endTime":3539.145,"body":"Preorder \"The AI Con\" at TheCon.AI"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3535.185,"endTime":3539.145,"body":"or wherever you get your books."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3539.504,"endTime":3542.985,"body":"And join our virtual book tour"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3539.504,"endTime":3542.985,"body":"kickoff event on Tuesday, May"},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3542.985,"endTime":3544.904,"body":"8th, or find us on the road."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3544.904,"endTime":3547.505,"body":"A full list of events at TheCon.AI."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3547.725,"endTime":3548.984,"body":"But wait, there's more."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3549.044,"endTime":3550.814,"body":"Rate and review us on your podcast app."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3550.845,"endTime":3554.484,"body":"Subscribe to the Mystery AI Hype"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3550.845,"endTime":3554.484,"body":"Theater 3000 newsletter on Buttondown"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3554.504,"endTime":3558.834,"body":"for more anti-hype analysis, or"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3554.504,"endTime":3558.834,"body":"donate to DAIR at DAIR-Institute.org."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3558.855,"endTime":3561.855,"body":"Again, that's D A I R"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3558.855,"endTime":3561.855,"body":"hyphen institute.org."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3562.214,"endTime":3565.515,"body":"You can find video versions of our"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3562.214,"endTime":3565.515,"body":"podcast episodes on Peertube, and you"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3565.515,"endTime":3568.575,"body":"can watch and comment on the show while"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3565.515,"endTime":3568.575,"body":"it's happening live on our Twitch stream."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3568.575,"endTime":3570.955,"body":"That's Twitch.TV/DAIR_Institute."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3571.285,"endTime":3573.524,"body":"Again that's D A I R underscore Institute."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3573.584,"endTime":3574.645,"body":"I'm Emily M. Bender."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3575.024,"endTime":3576.024,"body":"And I'm Alex Hanna."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3576.075,"endTime":3577.615,"body":"Stay out of AI Hell, y'all."},{"speaker":"Alex Hanna","startTime":3578.905,"endTime":3580.964,"body":"Or our clients will find you."},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3581.794,"endTime":3583.845,"body":"My client"},{"speaker":"Emily M. Bender","startTime":3581.794,"endTime":3583.845,"body":"would like you to know."}]}