#136 The victim game, shadowselves and entities: Tena Cacic interview

Are you stuck in the victim game? In this episode, you get the lowdown on the victim game with Tena Cacic. Tena shares what is fear-based victim consciousness, how we create it and how to get out of the victim cycle. Also, how dark entities fit into the victim game because of our mindset of negativity towards ourselves and others. 

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Speaker 1: Anna Schmidt (Host)  

My name's Anna Schmidt and I'm here every week to share with you true paranormal encounters. And information about devils demons and dark energy beings that no one else talks about. And today. Today we're going to do something slightly different. You are going to get the lowdown on the victim game with Tena Cacic, Tena shares what is the fear-based victim consciousness, how we create it, and how to get out of the victim role, and also how our shadow selves and dark entities fit into the victim game. Because of our mindset of negativity towards ourselves [00:01:00] and others. So let's get into our interview with Tena. 

So I'd like to welcome everybody here with us today. We have Tena with us, and she's going to be sharing her life journey to becoming an energy worker, to working with clients who are dealing with the victim gang, dealing with victim consciousness. So welcome tenner. 

Tena Cacic - Guest: Hello everyone. I'm. So happy to be here as your guest, and I'm honoured to be here. 

Anna - Host: It's lovely to meet you.It's amazing how the world of podcast brings energy workers together. So Tena has a wonderful way that she works with her clients, but before she tells us what she does as an energy worker, she would like to share what has led her through her life to becoming an energy worker and dealing with spirits and entities and with clients with their own paranormal issues.

Tena Cacic - Guest: Thank you for the question. I'll be happy to share it. I have a scientific background. I have a PhD in communication, so my brain was tuned into a [00:02:00] scientific way of thinking and it all changed, started to ask questions to question my reality. When I experienced the sudden death of my newborn baby, I gave birth to a baby boy. He was three days old and he was perfectly healthy. Suddenly third day, around 3:00 AM I woke up and I felt he was cold, and uh, that he's not breathing anymore, and I experienced it felt like thousands knives being stabbed in your heart all at once. Day before I was flying, I was in heaven. That, that some, that vibe, that frequency.

A newborn member, you know, if your mother and you have experience of having a baby, birthing baby, then you know that feeling. It's really like you're in heaven and next night you are in heaven. I experienced it, how it feels and that experience, uh, crafted me because, uh, why? What [00:03:00] happened? He simply stopped breathing and doctors couldn't find answer why that happened.And of course, I start questioning reality. So how it is possible that a healthy baby boy breathing and breastfeeding, uh, crying suddenly dies. The doctors diagnose what? Sudden infant death syndrome and basically that word means I don't know what happened. And that accelerate my path towards spirit, towards spirituality.

And I, I was just in the middle of finishing my PhD and it was interesting that psychic person told me, if you don't finish your PhD now, and I was pregnant with uh, my baby, you will never finish it. Then I gave birth and he died. And it is interesting that I, in my mind, I, I somehow, I sensed that something, there is something about that. What, what's weird? But I did not know what, that's your intuition. You know, my intuition. I couldn't at home. You [00:04:00] know, it, it was really weird. That was the first. Really, really intense, uh, experience. And after that, uh, I experienced a lot of, uh, trauma processing, uh, uh, how, how to release that grief. And, uh, it was very challenging, uh, month and I retrieved fully in my PhD.

So that was like a saving, you know, rope and another experience. I gave birth, and  I have a healthy 13-year-old, old boy. Now I gave birth to my daughter.  I was taking care of my body and of my pregnancy and, uh, I gave birth to her and I. She had seizures in hospital. So I went through trauma, through drama all again, and eventually it appeared that she has so-called uncurable genetic mutation, QCN Q2 Gene regulates, uh, potassium channel openers. And that experience, uh, also propelled me to a spiritual healing between, because I [00:05:00] was not only stressed because of her seizures. I was walking on eggshells to add that my husband had A-P-T-S-P when he went back from a business trip we should move to Kenya.

And long story short, in one point in of my life I had a, a toddler who needs his mother. I had a infant who I went to hospital for two months. Uh, she had seizures and severe developmental delay, and I had husband with PTSD, you know, I was crazy. There is she, she used to cry a lot because that's condition and in one moment she was crying and crying and I was carrying all the burdens and she was crying for hours.

I did all what I knew to do, but she was still crying and in one moment I was, ah, I just stop. I started shaking her. Okay. Okay. Okay. I left the room in [00:06:00] that moment because of the despair, I turned into villain, and that was happening in 2014 15. And in 2019 when I was preparing to be a guest speaker for a global healing teleseminar from heart to Joy, I learned about the weak gain, how we switch between roles of victim villain and savior.

We play that game. It's the structure of A 3D fear based within consciousness. If you are interesting, would you like me to share how we exactly played the within game with ourself, each other, and collectively? I 

Anna - Host: think it'd be perfect for people to understand what the victim game is, how it can affect you, how to, how to realize that you're part of it. And then what you can do to change that, you can change that mentality. Do you really have an important message to share 

Tena Cacic - Guest: with people? Okay, so victim game is a structure of a victim mentality. Consciousness 3D, consciousness, fear-based [00:07:00] consciousness. And we play it with ourself, with each other and collectively.We constantly switch between roles of victim, villain, and savior. And if we are not aware that we played the victim game, we are probably stuck in it. So she was crying and I was in a savior role, you know, I wanted to help her to save her and nothing work. And in one moment I was so exhausted that a savior.

You know, when you are taking all other people's and your burdens in your back, you are saving them. It's not helping. It's different stuff. I was at the edge. I couldn't, I really couldn't handle it anymore. I, I turned to you in Willan. You know, I start shaking. I, I was not me. It was the role of Willan and here is the problem. We are not identifying with, we are not aware that we are playing that roll. There is no villain outside of us. I turned into villain ready to hurt [00:08:00] my daughter. I. And why, and it's not me. It's despair. It's the victim game. Okay, so after the, you turn into villain, then you turn into victim. How I play it with myself, let's say.

Yeah. Here is, I, I want to share a, a simple example. Let's say that you want to lose a weight. I'm starting a new diet. You know you are in a savior role. Yes, I have plan. Let's go. And then, okay, first day is cool, second day is school. Wow. And then it's a birthday, and then you eat a cake and something. Oh, wow. And then you start beating yourself. You see how fat you are. No wonder no one wants to hang out with you. You cannot even have that much discipline to, to, to, to, to take that diet to the end. You know, you are beating yourself like that, and after enough beating, you are. And nothing works for me. Wow.

It's this [00:09:00] diet is not good. It's helpless. Really nothing works for me. Self. You are feeling sorry for yourself. You know you are in a victim role. First you went to savior, then you went to villain and a victim, and after you pity yourself enough. It's Monday, oh, I'm going to start a new diet and this one will work.But of course it won't. That's how we pray without ourself and, uh, how we play with each other. I, I showed you in to the example of my daughter, you know, first I was trying to save her from her crying, you know, villain from her villain, her condition. Since nothing worked, of course, I turned into villain. I almost hurt her, and later I felt like a helpless victim.

Your life is miserable. Why? Living nothing works for you. Why, why you even came here, you know, feeling sorry for yourself. And, uh, here is [00:10:00] one very important thing. I was fully into the role of a Marty mother. People were saying, oh, you are so brave. They were saying, oh, you are so strong. You are so brave.There are not many people who can carry that. Burden, you know, to have that experience of a death baby, of this illness of a disabled daughter. And, and my spiritual path accelerated and I went to lots of workshop and I went to Access Consciousness and I found it very useful back then. Get out of your story.

But, but, but how? It's my story, you know, but really I am the, I'm the mother of that. Your point is I would rather be right than free. I'd rather be right to believe that I'm victim and that I'm better than you and everyone, because I experienced so, so much hard things. Yeah. Right. And I was hit to the ground. Totally. I said, yeah, yeah. I [00:11:00] will do whatever it takes. Just I, I'm releasing all my story. I don't need my stories, you know, I want to be free. This is how I played with my daughter, myself, my daughter. And now I will share you maybe briefly how we collectively, because you know, in Corona Times. The victim game was shown to us collectively.

You know, it became visible, you know, uh, wearing mask. It's typical for the victim game because you are not allowed to be you. You put the mask. It's not you. You are not you. And in victim game, you must not be you, you, your authentic you, you have to protect your authenticity. Because when you were an authentic, you experienced being beaten. You experienced being shamed. You experienced being blamed. So it's better to put a mask, and that became visible in a corona time. So first Coronavirus villain roll people. Victim role, world Health Organization and all those structures, [00:12:00] savior and the victim game. The rule is roles are changing. And in some point, at least, we, in Croatia, I, I heard that in Australia it was much, uh, harder than in Croatia At some point when people, when victim become a little more powerful, when victim realize, well, it's not so, it's not so scary.

Like they told us it'll be scary. You know, it's not that so many people are dying, you know, people are surviving through that, and some of people didn't even have a. Uh, symptoms, you know, the savior was starting to push victim COVID passports. So savior turned into villain and people victim, but it was not the virus that was victim, it was savior. So we were praying, God, you know, at least some people here, oh, I want to, I want to get that [00:13:00] virus. So I will get that, uh, passport. So we, the virus turned into savior. Oh, please. So I don't have to vaccinate and I, I don't have to, you know, you see how rules were switched. Victim people turned into villain toward the World Health Organization.

They started to attack to question, and the governmental structure become, there are roles. It's victim game. It's not who we are. It became visible in Corona time and the point is how to break free from the LinkedIn game and what is the key role to break free. So if you want to go into that direction or you maybe prefer some other, I.

Anna - Host: Ah no, that sounds good. And something I noticed when COVID was the thing here in Australia, I had the most amount of clients with paranoia that I have ever seen in all the years that I've been doing energy clearing for people. [00:14:00] Paranoia had overtaken all of the other normal emotional imprints that people had. It was. It was huge. And emotions like paranoia attract paranormal entities that like that particular vibration. So that is something I was going to ask you that you might like to share later on, is mainly the villain and the victim. When we're in that sort of state, do people attract the paranormal beings that are feeding off that type of energy?

So if you wanted to share what you were going to talk about, like the key point to the victim game, and then maybe something about how it ties in with. Your clients and you find do, do the clients come to you with paranormal beings attached to them because they're in the victim game? 

Tena Cacic - Guest: I can say that you are totally right because in a victim game, no one knows who he or she is, and no one knows boundaries.

And when you don't have boundaries, when your boundaries are weak. [00:15:00] You are constantly mixing your energies with others. Let's say you fight with someone, so what's happening? You are putting your energy, your tones, into other others field, and he or she's putting energy in in your field. That's typical for the victim game because if in the victim game, if you want to be powerful, feel powerful, you have to either overpower other or feel like a witness so other will will save you.

You are not in your energy and that's the key because you believe you are separated from all that is, and you have to protect from outside because you don't know what your boundaries are and the truth is. Now we are evolving in five D. You are all that ease and people around you are your reflection. So you are basically my reflection. I'm talking now with my mirror and I'm honored. So what I [00:16:00] do, do it from the so level, we gather at the soul level and we clear wow tools, agreements between all people. Who played the victim game with us and we clear their energy out of your field, and we are claiming sovereignty over our body. And here is what I want to emphasize.

The villain outside of you is the repressed villain role inside of you. And why you repressed it. It's a hurtful child. Inside of your needs, your attention, so popping out in all around, you know, in the form of people triggering you, people attacking you. That's basically what is it all about. And indeed, you can be attacked with other energies. If you are not aware what's happening and if you are not aware that you are playing the victim game, and if you are not claiming sovereignty, integrating unhealed part in [00:17:00] your subconscious, you know that shadow self, then a lot of entities, a lot of other energies can simply stick with you because it's that tone attracts that, like you said a few minutes before when you described the question.

Anna - Host: you are totally right. Dark entities love victims. Victims carry so much emotional baggage, they really just pump out such a large vibration and they just hang around them. Do you find, I always say to people that paranormal beings, whether they're dark or demonic beings, they don't create. The emotions within us, but they can enhance what is already there. So if you are in the victim game and you are being the victim or the villain, they're gonna be pushing your buttons to make you behave even worse so that they can then feed off what you are creating. So you become, you become stuck in this vicious cycle.

So would you like to share with people [00:18:00] how they can escape the victim game? What is one way or what are your processes that you like to use when you work with your clients to help them move through or to escape the victim game altogether? Or is that even a possibility? Can people who have been stuck in that victim mode for such a long time, can they bring themselves out of it altogether?

Tena Cacic - Guest: yes, it is possible. And first step is awareness. Be aware what's happening in your body. Listen to your body and if you feel triggered by some situation. Person may be taught when you think about something from the past or from the future. And if you're triggered by that, tune into that because something in you needs to be addressed, be loved, okay? And here is what I do with myself and what hap, what helped me tremendously. And that technique [00:19:00] really worked on like charm, I felt. Uh. Despair because of my life and I felt it in my body. And I took a 15, 20 to half an hour, maybe 40 minutes time for myself, and I went inside and I was giving compassion in a third person for that.

It, it went like that. I'm so sorry. You're stuck in a victim gain. I'm so sorry. Your daughter is disabled. I'm so sorry. I want to get out of this terrible, painful life. You know, I was giving myself compassion, everything what came, and I felt, and I felt this tension even increasing. And then to cry. So compassion, self-directed compassion, your hearts unconditional love is, uh, the key. Just tune into your heart. Your heart will guide you. The, the most powerful energy is your authentic heart. The authenticity. You know, [00:20:00] your, so you are source. You are part of source, and your heart has the entrance to the, that source. Compassionate, loving energy because source cannot judge self-directed compassion.

It's all, it's something awesome because I'm acknowledging my wounded part. I am acknowledging that little girl. Who, who is stuck, you know, in, in my adult body, believing that no matter how much she, she tried nothing work because her dad didn't listen. You know, everything. What she did wasn't right. No matter how much she tried, she was helpless. Yeah. So I'm addressing that compassion, giving compassion to that little girl. And she was angry because no one hurt her. I addressing that. I'm so sorry. You are angry. And you know what comes underneath the anger, sadness, [00:21:00] helplessness. And I, I, I just gave myself compassion. I'm so sorry. You're sad. I'm so sorry.

You're sad. I'm so sorry. You have to protect yourself from your reality. I'm so sorry. You're stuck in your hellish reality. You know, it was very, very intense. So self-directed compassion helped me a lot. 

Anna - Host: There's a lot of layers, isn't there? There's a huge amount of layers that, and it sometimes it's hard to know where to start, so a lot of the time people don't start, oh, it's all going to be too hard, so I'm not going to do it. Or, this is my favorite, saying, who am I without the victim? Or who am I without the victim's story? That can be really challenging to go. When I don't have this to cling onto anymore, who am I now or who will I be? That can be really frightening for some people. So they just stick to it. They go, it's going to be a victim. I'm just gonna have the entities around me. I don't care because I like it this way. I get the attention I need. [00:22:00] So have you ever found that you've had clients that haven't been ready to make the change yet? 

Tena Cacic - Guest: Yes, and I know how to address that. Ah. 'cause I know the structure be underneath why you don't want to change, why nothing works for you, because it's a victim consciousness. So here is how I, and yes, it's a ego defense mechanism. So here is how I, how I go through it, you know, with compassion, giving compassion. I'm so sorry. Nothing works for you. I'm so sorry. You choose to believe that nothing works for you because this ego defense mechanism and negative beliefs has its own trickiest structure.

They are convincing you that if you let go of negativity of that negative belief. Something bad will happen. Basically negativity convince you that you need, you need it to protect you. From something [00:23:00] even worse, something scary out there. So, and you know what negativity tells you, don't even dare to question me because if you question me, you'll find out that everything I was telling you was true, that the world is bad.

You know, it's not about you. It's about how that structure, you know, manipulatively pulls you to, to hold it, to believe that you need it. And if I believe that I need whatever it is, you know, that protection of that negativity, ego, defense mechanism are those walls that prevents us. So we are, we are addressing specifically with, uh, self-directed compassion. When you are in healing mode in your higher self, in your authenticity, you are in alpha and gamma, that state and that protective mechanism prevents you to get in that state. So what we are doing, we are shutting down that default mode network. It's the ego defense mechanism. [00:24:00] These ego walls so your light can go through and uh, you know, clear that and you can simply see that you are light and that your true nature is light.

Anna - Host: Absolutely. And as you were talking, I was writing down that sometimes people come to me convinced that they have dark or demonic entities attached to them, when really it's their own shadow self. That needs to be dealt with, which is the shadow self is another way of, of looking at the victim game or the role. It's that, that side of ourselves that we don't want to deal with. So sometimes people can get demonic attachment, which people want because it puts them in the victim mode, puts them in the victim game, and then people will feel sorry for them because they've got entities attached to them really. It can actually just be their own shadow selves that they don't want to deal with.

So that's, that's my takeaway from what you were, you were saying. That's where my brain went. So I wrote that down, is that dealing with our own shadow selves is dealing [00:25:00] with our ego, isn't it? Dealing with that side of ourselves that we don't really want to sometimes indeed 

Tena Cacic - Guest: you are right. Yes, we are talking about the same thing.Yes. You know it's shadow sail. It's a shadow cell. And why we experience a lot of wars in our collective consciousness because the will role, it was suppressed and it has to come out. So it's coming burping all around the world and the point is. Not to, um, get yourself involved in other people's dramas, not in your drama first, not in your loved one's drama, and not in a collective drama.

So what can we do Witness with compassion. Give yourself compassion. So everything, what I learned through my experience, everything is about me, my beliefs, my values, my consciousness, my reality. And when I see something that hits me, like from collective consciousness worse. And so I am just giving myself compassion for [00:26:00] perceiving that I'm so sorry people are fighting. I'm so sorry they're hurting. You know, I'm giving myself compassion for what's happening in the world and when I feel a release, okay, wow, it's resolved and that's the way how we can help the world heal Your wounds. Heal your shadows will be healed. 

Anna - Host: Absolutely. Again, I'm sitting here just nodding like this whole session, I've just been nod, nod, nod. 'cause I so align with the way that you're speaking. So would you like to share with people, do you have any paranormal experiences? 'cause I'm a real paranormal addict. I love to hear what sort of experiences people have had when they've been working with their clients. 

Tena Cacic - Guest: I would like to share my personal experience with my husband. I think that that will be the best. And yep. By the way, I work with clients through Zoom. Yeah. One on one and through phone, and I do do a group clearings and, uh, teaching courses. When I was in that, I. Terrible [00:27:00] state. You know, my, uh, my husband had this PTSD, he had a newborn baby. He was in Kenya back then, had an injury.

Anna - Host: So yes, that's wonderful. Wonderful. How can people contact you to book a session?

Tena Cacic - Guest: You can find me at my website, tenacacic.com, and we have a lots of free giveaways there – every second Friday month, we have a free energy group clearing. Then you receive a group clearing around some topics, and after that we have a half an hour for mini one-on-one trigger release sessions.

When you tune into your body, you. Can the intensity when you think about something and then I do a short process, and when the intensity is at zero, then you are, you are done. You know, and the changes are profound. So go to my website. You can subscribe and receive victim game uncovered email course in a bite-sized chunks where you will learn how victim game works through a really [00:31:00] short description so you can. Start noticing that in your life and transforming. So everything you can find, you can find on my, my website and you can also find on my YouTube channel. It's still in the beginning and my Instagram channel is still, you know, in infancy stage. No, 

Anna - Host: that's wonderful. And I will of course, share all your contact details on YouTube for our viewers and through all the podcasting up so that people can contact you to experience releasing the victim game.

Tena Cacic - Guest: Awesome. Thank you very much, and I'm so honoured to be here in your presence, in your authenticity, and everything you do is literally what I do as well. So feel that connection, that unified field. And now we are really ready to birth out the five D sovereignty paradigm and break free from the. Treat the fear, [00:32:00] victim scarcity mentality, and thank you.

Anna - Host: Thank you for that. Absolutely. We're all, all the energy workers around the world, we all take people to the same place and becoming the best selves that they can be. We all take slightly different paths, but we all take people to the same result. Thank you Tanana, for being here. It's been wonderful having you on Perfectly paranormal. 

Tena Cacic - Guest: Thank you very much, Anna. I feel uplifted. So it's morning in my place and thank you for providing me such a good start of my day. 

Anna - Host: You are wonderful and I'm sure we're gonna be talking again. Thank you. 

So on episode 137, you are going to hear a client's struggle to talk to his young children aged three and six, about the death of a relative. Both kids are very psychic and I made some suggestions to help the dad, help the kids [00:33:00] understand and to not be afraid if grandma pops in to see them in spirit form in the middle of the night. So this episode will be rather useful for many, many people out there who may experience the same issue. So stay tuned for next week's episode, delving into Understanding Death with young Children.

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