Brock Zevan: The Resilience Roadmap: Strategies for Converting Pain into Purpose

When the weight of past struggles feels heavy on your shoulders, it can be a beacon of hope to hear the transformation stories of others. Brock Zevan, a former PE teacher turned real estate magnate and business coach, sits with me, David A. Specht, to peel back the layers of his impressive journey and share the discipline and perseverance that propelled him from "My Mess to Success." On a personal note, I open up about my battle with alcoholism and the pivotal moments that steered me back to my authentic self, offering a raw and unfiltered glimpse into the rollercoaster of personal growth.

Together, Brock and I traverse the treacherous paths of public scrutiny, the aggression that sometimes fuels our leadership, and the small victories that mark our progress. We celebrate the power of community and how it has shaped our ability to stand tall amidst the chaos. My story may highlight a fall from grace, but it's also a testament to the incredible support systems that exist for those willing to reach out. Brock's insights turn our conversation into a masterclass on utilizing hardships as the foundation for guiding others toward their potential.

As we wrap up, it becomes clear that our episodes aren't just about sharing victories; they're about fostering a sense of connection and understanding that no one is alone in their struggles. Brock's candid storytelling, paired with my own reflections, underscores the profound impact of applied knowledge and the true power that comes from not just possessing it, but truly living it. Join us for a journey of resilience, reinvention, and the relentless pursuit of success through the power of shared experiences.

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Transcript

Speaker 1 0:02

Hello there, I'm David A Specht and I want to be your coach. If there's anything that I've learned in my 30 plus years of leadership and coaching, I have learned that mindset is everything. Join me and my guests as we explore the positives and negatives of that thing between our ears. This is Keep this In Mind. Welcome to Keep this In Mind, brought to you by davidaspectcom, and I am David A Specht On today's show. This is a special one, folks. We have Brock Zeeman, who is a real estate agent, but that is the smallest, tiniest bit of his complete picture. He has been a PE teacher and coach in the scholastic world. He has been in real estate. He is a business coach In fact, that's how he and I got together was we have a mutual friend and coach, Michael Burt, that we crossed paths and got into each other's ecosystems and then followed each other for a while. Brock has a unique story of triumph. He has a unique story of pivots. As the show says, we have to keep some things in mind, brock. Welcome to the show today.

Speaker 2 1:21

Thanks, david. I appreciate you having me, man. It's great You've been following me and it's always great when it's just like let's get together, let's talk, let's see how we can help other people that share a little bit about our lives, on what's made an impact into us. And, yeah, michael Burt is a huge component for both of us and how he has helped us grow in our business and with each other, and so I really appreciate you having me, man.

Speaker 1 1:51

Oh sure, and proximity matters, right. I mean, if it wasn't for us getting into a room that we might have not been comfortable in at one time, our paths would have never crossed and I've come across so many deep relationships as a result. Our mutual friend, chad Free, who's been on this show I remember seeing him at Monster Nation and I remember the first words out of his mouth were I know I'm a lot shorter than you thought I would be.

Speaker 2 2:24

Yeah, he is. Every time I see him too. I was just like I forget how short you are, chad.

Speaker 1 2:31

But it is true that you know, no matter where we are in the US. I mean, you're in North Carolina, I'm Tennessee, but at the time I was in Louisiana.

Speaker 2 2:40

I was always watching you do your walks.

Speaker 1 2:42

Yeah, so the idea of proximity is a huge, huge component and I believe that we're made for community. We're made to be in community with other people, we're made to be in relationship with other people and so I want this kind of leads into why I wanted you on the show, because I've been watching what you do. You know we I have this saying that we only see people where they are. Now we have no idea how they got here, and my experience with you was always seeing you do a morning live show every day that rolls and you give inspiration and motivation and tools to be successful in life and business. So I see you in that ecosphere.

Speaker 1 3:31

But then, like when I reach out to you and we're starting talking about the podcast and stuff, you're like dude, I can talk about my failings, I can talk about my struggles, I can talk about, you know, divorce and coming out of that. You know, which is all part of the great picture. But so many people don't see that picture because we very rarely can get deep enough for to get beyond the snapshot of right now. So I want to kind of turn it over to you and talk about how did you go from PE coach to real estate guy, to business consultant and I know we got to kind of. You know we can be here for hours going through the, through the nitty gritty, but what are some of the highlights, low lights and other aspects of what makes Brock Brock today?

Speaker 2 4:21

Yeah, and in trying to bundle it all up, it's been a, it's been a unique. I'm actually finishing up my book, my Mess to Success, about talking about this and what that looks like and just writing a book, let me just tell you it's not easy. I mean, you know it's, it's, it's like oh, I thought this would be a little bit simpler than that and not as expensive, and boy oh boy, it is. It is not so much that I was writing out a couple of notes that you said, because a couple of things that came to my mind is you know, we peel back the onion, we dive a little bit deeper to understand really what we, you know who we are.

Speaker 2 5:03

Bishop Jakes talks about many times what people see me, as is me, is like, you know, we see them as they arrived, but they don't understand the process that it took to get to the arrival position. And we are always working to arrive because in my mind, I haven't, I haven't even like, really got there yet, like I feel like I'm 17 blocks away, and so they only see us during those moments. And Tony Robbins says the quote that people are rewarded in public for what they practice in private, and it's, it is. That moment is very hard when the music stops, when, when it's dark out, when nobody's around and your alarm clock goes off and it begins with a four in front of it and nobody's cheering you on to get up in the morning and nobody's pushing you to stay up a little bit later to do that extra 30 minutes that you know you're going to do. And I have a saying that that I really heard, that I love is you're not finished when you're tired, you finish when you're done. And many times we want to stop when we're tired, but it is that that, that growth, that second level, you know it's never crowded that extra mile. And so all these things that I say here are repeated in my head constantly, because when you have to make decisions in life, majority of your big decisions are major decisions and they're not easy decisions.

Speaker 2 6:28

And when I left teaching, being a physical education teacher and assistant principal, and I was at the time period of my life, I was making about $60,000 a year and that was pretty good money for me. I mean, I was just in my, my young twenties and I was a lifeguard during the summer and living that life and I was. I was happy. I had no kids, I wasn't married, I was just, I was living my life and I was excited and and then it was just like I don't know if I want to do this rest of my life. I'm not too sure if this is something I want to do and I always feel like there's more to me, like there's there's another, there's another side of it, but I really didn't know what it is. You don't know what you don't know. And so I've really developed.

Speaker 2 7:14

Where I heard failing forward, that's like became a like really big thing, because I was like, all right, I don't know, let me just try this out, let me see this. And so I went from physical education teacher. Then I went back to school and got my master's degree in administration and became I was going to become a principal, and so I ended up becoming an assistant principal and I ended up being at a school that was a gang related type of school. So I learned about the Bloods, the Crips, the MS 13s, and that was like a whole nother world to me. That I learned and I was just like you know, remember the first time I had to do a gang fight and the police officer I was like you had to pad the kids down and the police officers don't do it. I was like why he goes? Because they have switch blades in their pockets for you to cut themselves and they get the points off of it. I'm like what this is like crazy. But that was like the environment. Talk about environment that I was in and so I was. I did that for a couple years and then I went back to getting involved and I was going to get my doctorate because I want to become a superintendent.

Speaker 2 8:15

And a buddy of mine that I was coaching with says me why don't you get in real estate? I was like real estate and so I share a part of my story that I had such a limiting belief. I love my parents to death. But I wasn't taught. I was taught the blue collar worker. You go to high school, you go to college, you're going to get a job, you're going to get married, you're going to have kids, you're going to retire, you're going to die. I mean, that's basically what the plan was that I was around, I worked on a farm and I was going to go to work at IBM and that's just what I thought I was going to do. You take two weeks a year for vacation, you save money and you have a 401k. That's what I was going to do.

Speaker 2 8:52

So I was like, oh, I can't do that. I went to college for this. He's like what. I was like, yeah, I can't be a school. I can be a real estate agent. I don't have any business background. Well, fast forward through seven times. I failed the test. I took the class twice. Many people don't know that I was going through a very challenging time with a really good friend of mine and we lived together. He was like my brother and we had a major falling out. I was mentally, emotionally distressed and I took the entire class and it's four months, one class and I failed it the first time and then I took the test, the class again. Then I had to take the state test.

Speaker 2 9:43

It was on my seventh time that I finally passed it and I told myself, if I don't pass at this time, I'm not going to do this. And many times I ask myself I wonder where I would be if I let failure take over, if I accepted failure. And so at that point I learned a lot about adversity and I learned a little bit about myself at the time, on who I was starting to become. I didn't really know too much more about that because I wasn't into mindset. I was into the drinking and partying and women and I just really wasn't into like business and all that stuff. So I made the transition into real estate and was very blessed and fortunate and I did it.

Speaker 2 10:21

It was back in the 007, 08 years and we all can kind of remember what was going on in the market at that point. And so I've been in the industry for 15 years now and I was about to just jump right out of it because I was making some really good money and I was already still making $60,000 teaching. I went, bought a BMW, I was living large, I was around attorneys, lenders, women, people who were making money. Life was great for me. They had no kids still and I went down that road for quite some time and I went down that road and it wasn't a very, it was a fun road. I shouldn't say anything. It was a fun road.

Speaker 2 11:00

I got married in 2012. We had my daughter, brielle, and I say, going back behind here and you know, I got mixed up in the wrong crowd. We talked about that environment and I stayed with that crowd because that crowd was fun. That crowd gave me something that I wasn't getting maybe at home. That crowd gave me something that I'd never had because I wasn't very. I was being paid attention to and I always say money doesn't buy you happiness, money gives you choices.

Personal Growth and Overcoming Adversity

Speaker 2 11:36

It gives you more choices than anything else. And so I was given a lot more choices because I was making some really good money new cars, bars, different type of drinks you know I could do all that stuff that I can and it got the best of me. And I say many times that you know when you go home with your family or your loved ones, they shouldn't get the rest of you, they should get the best of you, but we continue to give the rest of us because, like, oh, I worked so hard today and this is all I have left and I gave the best into that world and I got really into drinking and it got really bad for me in my life. And with my daughter being born, my marriage fell apart and I was a functioning alcoholic and I didn't realize it at the time because I wasn't allowing you deny it, david you just like this isn't what do you mean? I got a problem, like I'm fine, I'm making money, I'm doing this, but that devil he was.

Speaker 2 12:39

That. That ego was just growing and growing, and growing and I started not to become my true, authentic self. I was becoming a different person and I didn't care who you were. You were not going to get my way and unfortunately I became a really bad self narcissistic type of person. And I say many times of my life today, my thinking hasn't changed. My drinking has changed and so I know when I have more clarity on making better decisions, can I still be a jackass? Absolutely, there's not a problem for me. Like somebody could say something to me and boy oh boy, my neck.

Speaker 1 13:25

What do?

Speaker 2 13:26

you like I can. I can feel it, but the best thing that I've learned how to do throughout this whole process is this gap that I that I was able to close and become a better self, become more spiritual and everything under me under it is that able to control the monster with inside of us, because there's certain parts of the times that we need to be a monster, we need to be aggressive, we need to make some money, we need to make business, we need to go out there and we got to be the leader and we got to stand out and we got to do things. It's not easy in this world and in order to become a leader and to escalate yourself, you got to handle many different things. And I'm not getting into politics, but like what Trump's been through and everything, like so many people coming after him, I'm like I don't know how the guy even gets up in the morning and do his thing Like I'd be like what do you want me to do? I'm just like holy smokes.

Speaker 2 14:17

But when you're out in the spotlight and people like when I'm on YouTube and Facebook and Zooms and, like you said, I'm on it every single day several times and you got it Like certain people could trigger you and you got to be able to control that. You can't be like, oh, I could. Let me just lean into you and tell you what I really think and to me, I think that those are moments that God gives me to be like let me check to see if. Let me test you. Let me test you, brock, let me see if you're really following the law.

Defining Moments of Personal Transformation

Speaker 1 14:47

That's powerful right there, because I will tell you, I'm the type of individual that I, while I can bury it, I get emotionally affected by negative situations, right, I call them, and I think God allows punching the gut moments every so often, just to see if I'm strong enough to withstand it. When you're able to take the step back and look at a bigger picture, the punch in the gut moment is really not that big of a moment, but in the snapshot of right now, that punch in the gut just can knock you off of everything. Right, it can really derail you if you allow it to. So I want to ask you this question, because I think that we're kind of transitioning into old Brock and new Brock Was there a situation or an event that took place that really kind of caused you to do that?

Speaker 1 15:47

180 or a set of things that may have taken place that you're like if I don't change, it's all going to go away.

Speaker 2 15:57

It's funny you say that because that's how my podcast started and I need you. I need to have you on. Mine is figured out Friday.

Speaker 2 16:09

And it just happened around, would figure out Friday, but it's like, how did I figure this out, like at what point? And so there's a couple of defining moments in my life that made me like, do I want to continue to live this way? And one specifically is, as I shared that I was. When you're drinking and you're trying to hide it, so another people can know the best place to hide it and this is going to sound terrible, but I'm just being honest with you is in your car, when you're driving. I know, not like a really safe thing, but that's literally what I was doing, and so I would.

Speaker 2 16:45

I could create a story that I had to go to a house to go do a showing or had to go someplace, and I could drink in my car and I was by myself. And here I am. And so one time I just kept driving and I'm in Charlotte, north Carolina, and I actually drove three hours. I got on the highway and I just kept driving, driving, driving, and I ended up being in Virginia and I was, I was pretty hammered and I was vodka was my choice and I stayed at one of those hotels that 29, 99, those 27, 95 ones, like who would ever stay there. Well, that was me.

Speaker 2 17:20

I stayed there and I remember getting a room stumbling in there and, thank God, the guy gave me a room. It was you know. You got your own key and you had it outside. It was in January and I crawled on the ground and I was so cold I was holding on to. The bottle I laid on the ground is in Virginia. Really, at the time period I remember saying I don't know where I'm at. It was like one of those, those floor heaters that you had to turn on. That was from like 1950.

Speaker 1 17:49

Wow.

Speaker 2 17:50

And I was laying there freezing and I said a couple of choice words that I'll keep to myself, but I just I'll be some man. What the hell are you doing? How much more are you going to take of this? You've already lost your marriage. You're about to lose your house Cars repossessed. You're about to lose your kids. Like, at what point are you going to stop? And it really like it was a defining moment. But I'll tell you this, david, it wasn't a stopping moment because I continued on that path for about five more months, six more months. I just thought it was going to be it.

Speaker 2 18:30

And in the book, the blue book, the alcoholics anonymous book, there's the gentleman's name is Bill and there's many times I'm reading his story I'm like this guy, he must stop now. He's probably going to stop now and like he, like he went through like five different points. But until you're actually in there, it's hard to explain it because you continue to go down the path and you think you're at your bottom. And I always tell people when we're in the programs and different, different things, I just say Don't stop somebody to their bottom. But they got to hit it. They got to hit it on their own. You cannot stop them. They, they have to get down to that point. And so that was one of my defining moments.

Speaker 2 19:10

And then I Got to another one, basically in September, september 7th, and it was I mean, I was, I had no money, I had nothing. Electricity was turned off. I was trying to survive, was trying to find money, and all I kept doing was drinking. I had to go get diapers my wife at the time I had a lie Because I couldn't get, I couldn't afford it Like the normal diaper amount. So, like I had, I can only get the smallest amount of diapers. And then I had a lie to Laura Because she's like, why don't you get the big back? Oh, that's, that's all they had. And I'm like, what that now am I doing? And so it started to affect my kids and it's like I can't even get diapers, my children now. And so I went in a? A and I went into a? A and and I started to learn the ropes.

Speaker 2 20:06

And my biggest fear David, I would tell you this I Was. I felt alone. I didn't think anybody else was was going through what I was going through, like nobody's gonna understand, nobody's gonna see what I'm going through, and one of the things I would share with the audience is you're not alone. Don't ever think you're alone for any given point, because somebody has been through the same thing, except it's a different name, it's a different drink, it's a different address, it's a different state. That's all there is to it. Because when I went into those a a rooms, the best thing that I could tell you is you're not alone.

Speaker 2 20:46

But actually I, I kind of was here in other people's stories and I'm like man, I'm nothing compared to you, like holy smell, you really got a lot of problems, wow.

Speaker 2 20:55

And so I started to pour into myself, I started to get help, I started to go through that transition of what that was, and that transition got me into you know, not even close, I mean, it wasn't, it was Two years ago now because my life has really I call myself like one of those like you know what do you call them in dog years, like how old you are.

Overcoming Struggles Through Faith and Community

Speaker 2 21:20

It's like for me, like I'm only six years old because I started this, seven years old, because I started this when I was 38, and Like I'm a totally different person. And two years ago I became spiritual. Then One of my, my spiritual mentors, justin Ford. I met him down in Florida, like I. I was in New York and I was like I'm flying down to Florida, I gotta go meet this guy. And I met him in the courtyard of this, of this conference that we're at, and I said you don't know me, but I came from Charlotte, I was in New York and I had to meet you because I heard his story and he was drinking out of a toilet bowl in jail.

Speaker 2 21:58

He was so messed up on drug he's and everything else and I was like man, how'd you turn it around? He's like God and uh, and I'm catholic. I went to private school all my life and like I mean, I know god, but I didn't really Know. God got you and he, and he taught me how to have conversations with god. He taught me that to ask for help. He taught me that there's more to life Than what I see here. He taught me that god makes impossible possible and until you have faith, you really don't have too much. I'm not trying to be mean to people, but you got to believe, you got to understand what that's all about and I started to learn. And I say many times now one of my new lines is do your heart, do your hard stuff you're supposed to do, have the hard conversations with God, have the hard conversations with other people. It's only hard because it's up inside our head.

Speaker 2 22:57

When you let it out, guess what You're like oh, that wasn't that bad. And when I ask God for things, guess what he comes through. It's only when he doesn't come through is when I don't do my heart and my heart might be my prayers every morning, my heart might be doing saying certain affirmations, my gratitudes of doing the hard stuff. They don't want to do because I got so many distractions in my life and so I've learned how to like shh. No, everything else can wait. This is Brock's time, this is God's time, and I'm going to dive into it and that's really what's helped me really. I mean, I was doing well stopping drinking, but it's kind of like a whole nother level took shape when.

Speaker 2 23:40

I entered with God into me and how he transformed me, and now I have opportunities like this.

Speaker 2 23:46

I have opportunities every single day to meet new people who like travel now, like I never thought people would travel to come see me or ask me to be on podcasts or let me hear this story and tell me more about this, and it's been really remarkable, man, and hopefully you can ask me any other questions or dive in deeper. I wanted just to kind of give you a full spectrum of really all the different moments in my life that made an impact on me and now I can make an impact on others.

Speaker 1 24:16

Absolutely. And you know I made some mental notes while you were talking. Some things popped up in my mind. One was the isolation.

Speaker 1 24:26

I think that that is a common thread among people who are struggling. And again, addiction is addiction. It can be alcohol, drugs, food, women, you know it can be anything. And I know that there's a certain level of shame that goes on when you slip right. You know the journey out or the journey through is never a straight line and there are those moments and for me at least, you know when I'm struggling with my own, you know I can say demons or whatever, but when I'm struggling with my own shortcomings and I think I've gotten past something and I had that moment that I slipped or that I'm weak, you know the amount of shame that's heaped on is pretty substantial and I know that through my faith, through prayer, you know God is really good, through His mercy and grace, that he kind of lifts that heaviness right. It's like, you know, david, I still love you, david, I still have a plan for you. You know, brock, I still love you, I still have a plan for you.

Speaker 1 25:30

This is just a minor blip in the grand scheme of things, even though it doesn't feel like a minor blip right now. So there's that. The other thing I thought about while you were talking to in the isolation side of things is and again, I'm not a preacher. Well, I'll let other people decide that. But you know, the Bible says that the enemy is like a line, seeking who he may devour, and if you watch, like the wildlife shows, the line doesn't go into the heart of the tribe or the heart he always finds the weak one that's off by himself, or the one that's straight away right. It goes after the one that and I think in a lot of cases.

Speaker 1 26:18

Again, if you're a believer, great. If you're not a believer, understand that the principle is still the same. Right, you're at your weakest when you're isolated. You're at your weakest when you can get into a herd of like-minded, like-directional people. It makes a difference and I think that's a really good segue about today. Right, you know you talk about the show you do every day, but it's not just you, it's like 15 other people that have all decided we're gonna get together every morning and share. And you know it's the rooms that you and I have met in. You know it's the uncomfortable conferences we've been at, you know, when we're not the social butterfly, but yet we met that one or two persons in that conference that turn into lifelong friends.

Speaker 1 27:12

What are your thoughts? As someone who has had to navigate a lot? You know whether it's self-inflicted or not really doesn't matter. It's still a lot of navigation. How do you put yourself in those positions? How do you get yourself into those circles? Because I guarantee you and I haven't asked you this question, we haven't talked offline, but I guarantee you felt a little bit of imposter syndrome when you first started putting yourself out there and then all of a sudden, people are like well, we wanna do a Zoom with you or we wanna do a podcast with you. How did you get over all of this stuff in the past to help move you forward and not let it be at Achilles' heel?

Speaker 2 27:52

It's funny you I was talking to.

Celebrating Small Wins and Self-Accountability

Speaker 2 27:55

Uh, I was fortunate to speak at a event here in Charlotte called Amplify, with Chad Ferry and him and I were speaking. That's a cool thing when you're able to speak with other colleagues in the same stage and to do that. It's like we both like looked at each other in the green room and like man who would ever thought this, that you and I would be doing that, and so it's. You know, you got to reflect and you got to remember your small wins. You got to celebrate your small wins because they they help you get along the way and and it's okay to celebrate small wins I I feel you should celebrate small wins each day. Those are little stepping stones for you to go, and when you, how I made the transition in that point really was, I was embarrassed for two years.

Speaker 2 28:43

What the hell is your problem, brock? Why can't you stop drinking? People are going to laugh at you. You made fun of those type of people Like nobody wants to be a part of that and you, just you. You sulk in it, you marinate in it, but I'm a very today. I'm a believer of that. That was the path that God had me beyond.

Speaker 2 29:05

There's like many people say do you regret it? Do you wish you started sooner? I'm like no, I don't, because if I, if I started sooner, I might go sooner into something else. That might be a bad decision that I made because my pain wasn't where it needed to be in order for me to make those type of decisions that I can make today. I don't need to go out anymore. I like I actually you need a DD, not a problem, I will drive, I'm driving. I'm actually I, I can't wait to go back to bed, like I'm fine with that.

Speaker 2 29:35

But to me it came when I, when somebody reached out to me and said, hey, do you mind I'm struggling with this, I was like what? And he's like man, I'm going through the same thing. And you kind of like triggered me and I was able to relate to you. And it was like God gave me the gift and he says Brock, you are going to become relatable to many and you're going to help few. And it's like I learned that my story is powerful to help people not feel alone.

Speaker 2 30:11

Because that was my greatest fear and if I can share my story and bring on people, and people wonder many like how can you like you do your show all the time? I said I do it 51 out of 52 weeks a year and it is hard to do it that many times, but what I can tell you, it's not as hard as hiding and lying and drinking every day and pretending you're somebody different. So if I can do that at every other day that ends in Y, then I can make a positive decision every day it ends in Y and I'm perfectly fine with making these better decisions today, so it keeps me in check. So when I don't want to do a podcast, when I don't want to be at 815 and I'm running around and I was sharing the other day like people don't know, like at 814, when I'm running around and my kids are running and this is going in school and Brielle is telling me she's sick, it's just like hey everybody, welcome.

Speaker 2 31:02

Good morning to today. It's like I got on the show. I'm like you don't understand the hell. I was just in right there. But you know what. I'll take this hell all day long, because I know what it's like to really be in hell and that it made helped me make a transition to show up, be impactful, motivate, inspire and trigger something inside of somebody that maybe I can get them through another day to help them, just like somebody did it for me.

Speaker 1 31:31

That's so good. That is so good and, like you said you alluded to, you know confidence increases with every little success you celebrate and that you have confidence that, no matter what you face, yeah, 815 is always looming, but you know that you've done it before. You know that you've come out of way, worse situations. You know you've. You've shined and you've crashed and you've survived both.

Speaker 1 31:57

Yeah, so you know hitting that go live button is not nearly as hard as it was, you know, a year ago, or I get that for sure and and I'll echo what you said, you know the accountability level of coaching and helping others is probably as much as I enjoy the reward of somebody changing their life and I do I enjoy that reward. The bigger reward is I've kept myself in check and I've kept myself accountable because I know that person's looking to me. I know that, that I have to be an example to somebody else and for me that's, that's the beauty of what coaching brings to the table. I mean, yeah, there's the other aspects, but that, to me, is the biggest one. Is that self-accountability?

Speaker 1 32:45

because we are all flawed vessels. We're all all have a history. You know, I tell people all the time I'm so thankful social media didn't exist when I was in high school.

Speaker 2 32:56

I said it was bad enough.

Speaker 1 32:57

There was VHS cassettes Okay, there's. There's things on camcorders that I hope never come to light, you know.

Speaker 1 33:04

But, yes, but you know we all have a past. And so, brock, I want to kind of kind of land the plane a little bit. But you made mention of the book you're writing and I want to want you to kind of give us an opposite and then maybe some forward. You know when did when they expected to come out, and that kind of thing. You may not be that far yet. I know me. I took me, I said one date and then a year later I was still saying that one date. So kind of kind of give us the lowdown on the book.

Speaker 2 33:33

Yes. So you know and just like anything, you know, you got it, you got it I don't know why inside my head. So I'm actually finishing my first book, which is turning scripts into conversations, and that one's for entrepreneurs going in the sales capacity of creating a formula to help people convert at a higher level and have conversations not only in the business world but also in your personal life and with your kids and those type of relationships. So that book will come on out at the end of second quarter of this year. And then my book, my master's success, is more of autobiography of my life. Starting off not really starting off I did it in a video. I had to. I had to do some different things inside my YouTube channel, but my master's success I'm hoping it comes out next year.

Speaker 2 34:24

I am in probably midway through, but as you know how many drafts you have to do and what and the in, here's the biggest challenge I've come. It's like I start writing it and sometimes it's hard. Oh yeah, because it's like damn, I remember I was like that. I can't believe I did that, what an idiot. Like what was I doing? And I start going off this like. It's like my brain starts thinking about some of the nonsense and then I write that stuff down and so I was told that just get it all on paper. Get it all on paper and then you have people help you organize it, however that looks.

Speaker 2 35:00

And so my message to success, you know, in all honesty, probably come out next year.

Speaker 2 35:06

I'm looking to get the first book out and get it really published and I've been blessed and fortunate and already have people lined up but like requesting it just because it's part of it's what I've been doing for the last 12 years.

Speaker 2 35:18

So, but my message to success is literally what I shared with you, but even in more detail, more of the emotion side of crying on the couch, trying to figure out money going, having DSS called against my kids, the IRS $153,000 and the sheriff coming. I'm going to jail. Like those moments you know, dad, my five year old saying, dad, why is the police officer here? Like getting more into those type of details and what it felt like and explain that to him and having the DSS worker saying we need to see if you're a good father and wanting to fricking pound the lady and but like really just kind of wearing it on my sleeve and bringing that to my audience is where I really want to be in depth with it to help people understand the emotion Cause I get it and how to overcome that. So it's a little bit more in depth of really my story in a whole. So hopefully that gives you a little bit of insight of what that's going to be like.

Speaker 1 36:27

Absolutely, and you made mention of your YouTube channel. Kind of tell people how to follow you and cause it sounds like you're. You're kind of giving people updates on the progress of that, plus giving the content that you give on a daily basis. How are the best ways for people to follow you?

Speaker 2 36:41

So you can go to Broxievancom is one of my websites, and then you can look me up on Facebook Broxievan, and then my coaching program. My private page is Broxievan's Mindset Motivational Coaching Show and that has really everything in there. We've really been blessed. We started with like about 200 followers last year and we're close to 700. We're supposed to we should break 700 by the middle of March and it's pretty cool to see people following us and where this is really turned into. So I do have YouTube channels but if you Google me and look me up and it, I've been blessed. I've hired the right people to help me put out there. I I create the content and just basically share my story and they help promote it.

Lessons From Brock

Speaker 1 37:30

So and I'll test on Facebook. I'll attest to the Facebook group and the and the daily show. It's funny. You know I'm in the central time zone so you catch me in the shower most days. That's why I don't come on the zoom, because David, please turn your camera.

Speaker 1 37:48

David show here but, folks, you know Brock said a lot today and I think probably the biggest takeaways that I could that I could share is number one you're not alone. Number two we all go through a journey of that that a lot of times is very painful, and yet in that pain we create the ability to help others, and I will, and I will say, folks, that what you've heard out of Brock is the lesson I'm going to take away from this is never look at somebody where they are without asking them where they've been, because where they are is a culmination of where they've been and what you're seeing right now.

Speaker 1 38:38

You may not be where they are, but you may be where they've been and they may be the most qualified to help you get from where you've been To where you want to be. So, brock, thank you so much for being on the show today. I'm going to end the show, like I always end the show, with my favorite phrase, and that is not knowledge is power. Applied knowledge is power. Thank you, everybody that is going to do it for this episode of. Keep this in Mind. For more, visit davidaspectcom. Like, follow and subscribe. Thank you for listening and remember applied knowledge is power. God bless.