Love, Lessons, and Litigation (with Haseeb Hussain)

Haseeb Hussain, or as you may know him on TikTok, @haseeblegal, sits down with our host, Hamza Ali (@hamzainvests) to discuss his journey in the spotlight. From appearing on Netflix’s reality show— Love Is Blind— to building a legal business on TikTok, Haseeb discusses what exactly it takes to be an entrepreneur. With honest conversations between Haseeb and Hamza, they dive into the people behind their brands. Tune in this week to Immigrant Unfiltered, to discover what it takes to break expectations and create success in unexpected ways.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Love Is Blind
• 12:41 TikTok to Solo Lawyer's Journey
• 21:59 Leveraging TikTok for Business Success
• 38:34 Drive for Success in Law and Entrepreneurship
• 44:32 Navigating Cultural Expectations and Finding Love
• 53:23 Attorney Scandal

Transcript

Hamza Ali
Host
00:00
And then there was another of that type of stuff yeah they love. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
00:02
Drama, oh they love drama, yeah, they follow for the drama and then stay for the law right, that's how you really meant. 

Hamza Ali
Host
00:17
Hey guys, welcome back to the podcast. I'm your host, hamza Ali, and we're here with Hasib today from Illinois Well, he's actually from Miami, but we're gonna get into that in just a second. Great to have you. Thank you for coming. I know it was a. It's a day trip for you. It's great to be here. Yeah, that's awesome, man. That's awesome. So tell us a little bit about yourself, man, who is Hasib? Obviously you have social media. You know you've got, you've gained quite a lot of traction. I have a bunch of questions that I really want to dig deep into and kind of get, because I think you did a couple of Cool things that people should know about. But tell us a little bit about yourself. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
00:50
So yeah, my name is Hasib, grew up in Miami, I'm 30 years old, just turned 30 this year. Yeah, I've, I'm a lawyer in Chicago and, you know, found my way onto tiktok and sort of made that my my full-time thing, left corporate mid-sized law firm life to just do my own thing as a as as an entrepreneur that's awesome man, that's awesome Congrats. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:19
So obviously, the first thing I'm gonna go into is what everybody wants to talk about, and that is your love, and blind Love is blind appearance. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:26
Oh, that thing. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:27
Yes, so you know, let's get into that. How does the how does something like that happen? How did you decide? What was the pushback like, if any? You, I mean. Earlier we were speaking, you said you grew up pretty conservative sort of, even though you're up in in Miami the community is pretty conservative. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:42
So when someone does something like that, people are always like why is he on a reality TV show? But I've always been the type of person in my community to go against the grain and not really do what everyone else was. I've just been known to do some crazy stuff like I. That's just. That was just me growing up. I would do whatever. You know people told me not to. I would get myself into a lot of trouble. I still get myself into a lot of trouble saying stuff that I probably shouldn't be saying but you know it was. 

02:11
It was strange how how it all worked out. I would. I wouldn't do it again, maybe not a dating show again. I'd probably do a show again, but the way I found myself in that I mean I didn't apply for it or anything. It's just this reality TV Netflix show that People go into these pods and then you're supposed to talk to someone on the other side and with the goal of getting married. Let's be right, I don't. I didn't really expect myself to get anywhere on the show, which I guess people now know Like I don't know how serious I wasn't approaching it, but my mindset was more like let's see what happens. How often can someone how often does that happen for anybody like what are the odds that anyone will ever get to go on something like this again? So that was kind of always in the back of my mind. 

03:00
So I was on this dating app and I matched with this person who. I started talking to them a little bit. They weren't they see, muslim, brown or anything like that. I was just talking to them and then they're like oh, you're great, let's, let's just get on a phone call. And I thought I was just talking to, like you know, a potential partner who knows. 

03:21
And I had a great conversation with this person. I was like, oh, my god, you're like, you're amazing. Like, let's, let's hang out or something. And then we spoke on the phone a couple more times and then I kind of got catfish because all of a sudden she's like oh, by the way, I'm not here to like date, I'm actually a casting producer for this show. I think you'd be great for it. I'm like, oh, what's the show? She's like oh, love is blind. I never heard of it. And then I looked at what it was on Netflix and all of a sudden I'm like, oh, this looks cool, screw it, let's, do it, let's, let's. Let me talk to the casting director. And then from there was this history they loved me so that's how they recruited you. 

Hamza Ali
Host
03:58
Yeah, I got the name of yet. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
04:01
It was hinge, hinge, it was hinge. Yeah, guys get on hinge get on hinge if you want to get on TV, but if you want to get married, I don't know there's a bunch of those apps too. 

04:10
Yeah, yeah. So and then the way the the rest of it unfolded was With. There was a lot of like interviews and stuff and this was like right around when COVID was starting, they kept telling us yeah, covid's gonna delay things, so we're waiting on when we're gonna go out to California and do this show. And then it got pushed back a little bit more and then I just found myself on it like it recorded around April 2021 or something like that. They took us into these a studio in California and Rolling the cameras. They they had like men on one side, women on the other. We're not allowed to see them. We were staying back at a hotel room. They would take us every day to studio. We would record all day long just talking to people. 

04:58
Honestly, the experience was crazy, because when can you ever just Detach from everything going on in your life? And at the time I had a job that I was just working for somebody a law firm. I didn't really care that much, like I could take time away and that in the back of my mind I'm like I'm not missing out on work because I don't really care about work Still kind of don't care as much about work as I should, but but yeah, I just did it and I you know I wasn't expecting to get married on this show, but I just wanted to see what it was all about. 

Hamza Ali
Host
05:30
So what is that experience? Like you said, guys on one side, girls on one side, so you really don't like know what is going on. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
05:36
No, yeah, it's pretty, you know it's pretty Pretty strict. Like you, even if you wanted to use the bathroom, you would have to get escorted so that you don't accidentally run into someone you might might see on the other side. They just put us in these rooms and you get to talk to everybody. I had some great conversations with some of the people on the other side. My intention obviously wasn't, like you know, anything serious, but I was willing to see what would happen. Yeah, and nothing did any friends. 

06:07
I came out with the. Actually, I still keep in touch with a lot of the people from it. A lot of people live much different lives now than they did when I met them on there. Can't go to a local Chicago restaurant without someone asking them for pictures and they're like oh yeah, you know what he is on the show too. That happens for me here in there now and I go to like Muslim places because I guess I Got this. Now people are you gonna show? I'm like no, that wasn't me, I joke around with them, but but they, they eventually pull it up on their Instagram. I Never wanted to be known as that brown guy on that TV show. That one time that was on there for two seconds they gave me more screen time than I thought they would because you know, they kind of feed everyone out. Whoever doesn't like propose or anything. And I know I think they really wanted me to, just because they liked my background, they liked my story, but I wasn't gonna do it, just what do you mean they wanted you? 

07:04
to. I think that I think they the way, the way they, the way producers are, they're always in your ear and For them, I think they really wanted to see an interracial inter, like Opposite, like very different religions, very different backgrounds coming together. I think they liked my personality last, so they really encouraged Me to explore and go in with an open mind. It just wasn't I wasn't listening, anybody else gonna do anything. I can imagine if I went on the show and then I, when I told my mom look like I got married, you know, the show, imagine what she'd but you have to. 

Hamza Ali
Host
07:40
I don't. From what I know, you don't have to get married, you don't you? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
07:43
even if you say that you yeah yeah, exactly, but engage and then having them meet your family and all that my mom would have been like hell, are you doing I? And then, and then I told her like mom, you know the people that actually did get married on the show like they're all really like famous now in Chicago and they get free stuff all the time. She's like why didn't you get? 

08:03
married. And now I get that question a lot generally why aren't you married? Yeah, you're 30. Yeah, I'm 30. You know now's the time to do it, but you know the tax benefit would be nice is like what my eyes are on right now. 

Hamza Ali
Host
08:15
Well, depends on her income, her situation. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
08:18
Yeah, my accountant told me to like get married I. 

Hamza Ali
Host
08:22
Got married when I was 24 24 actually now that I think about it. I was 23 when I got married. I had my first kid when I was 24, so I had use of when I was 25 and then no row when I was 26 or 27. My kids are like almost as tall as I am now crazy. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
08:39
I Think I was taller than my dad by middle school. Yeah, but my dad had me, yeah we're gonna be one of those parents. 

Hamza Ali
Host
08:45
You know we're like we're walking and then our kids are just behind us, like you know. Yeah how tall is your? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
08:49
dad, my dad's like five, nine, my mom's five, six. I don't know how I'm six foot three, something, I think use of setting the same way. 

Hamza Ali
Host
08:56
Yeah, you'll probably meet him for dinner. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
08:58
Yeah. 

Hamza Ali
Host
09:00
So okay, so you're saying these other people get recognized and and you know the producers and the directors are always in your ear because they wanted you to get married. Obviously, you went in with the intention not to get married, but there is other drama. Oh, that happens on the show. Is that all real stuff? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
09:19
It's probably mostly producers get to see what people are talking about and they sort of set up scenarios. 

09:28
One thing that happened that I recall is that there was some drama going on with this girl like this guy but he was engaged to another girl on the show. So the producer's like, oh, we have a brilliant idea, let's set up this beach party and they'll get to talk to each other. And that's what they did. They invited me to that so you get to see me again for a brief second. And then at the party they're like OK, you guys sit here, you guys need to talk to each other. I'm like, ok, that looks kind of manufactured, but they don't really tell you what to say. But they kind of set up scenarios, as I think is the case with all reality TV. So that was kind of my fear as well in getting engaged on this show is, if I was going to do it, I would want to actually be in love with the girl before I did it, and I know that it would have went south had producers gotten involved and had their mouths in her view, had their whispers Exactly. 

10:27
And then the edit you end up getting. I didn't want the whole world hating me, but then on TikTok, you get hate comments all the time. Is that the case? Oh, you know, tiktok's never like that. It's totally split. But nowadays I think I get recognized in Chicago, specifically more on TikTok. They're like you're that guy from TikTok now, which is I like that. I like that way more than you're not. You're that guy from the reality TV show. How Did it Go? Yeah, so to TikTok, you get a whole load of people hiding behind a keyboard saying a bunch of crap. That kind of irks you sometimes. At the same time, I think I've grown to tune it out, yeah. 

Hamza Ali
Host
11:09
But don't you think the show actually helped you grow on TikTok? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
11:12
I think it did. It definitely did. So, I think right before it aired I had around 250,000 followers and then I made a TikTok about the show. I wasn't saying anything about the show until I saw, ok, what about me is on here? And then, when I saw that I was there, just enough for me to comfortably say that, ok, I can talk about the show because, one, I'm on it and you could tell that I was on it, and two, I'm not mad at the edit I got, which is I had a funny line here and there and people remember that. So I gave a lot of behind the scenes stuff, talked about the show. You talked about your experience on there too, very briefly, yeah, and people are like, oh my god, I loved your parts. And then that helped my following grow another 150,000. 

12:04
Yeah it helped a lot. 

Hamza Ali
Host
12:06
So how did you start TikTok? What was World Like before TikTok for you? I was just working off. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
12:14
I think I had been a lawyer for two years, or yeah, it's been like three years. I've been on TikTok. Wow, wow, that's just hitting me. I've been on TikTok for three years and I was only a lawyer two years out, just working at a mid-sized law firm until someone and I wasn't taking TikTok seriously before I got on it. It was just this COVID thing that everyone was doing. I'm like, ok, the kids are on it. 

12:41
And then someone convinced me to download it and just make a tutorial because I was explaining to them what I do as a lawyer. It's like this very niche law. It's called the Fair Credit Reporting Act, like credit reporting lawsuits that I file. They told me to tell people about how that works and then I made it first. Before I did that, I just wanted to see what TikTok was all about. I was posting these thirst trap TikToks it's like what the kids were doing and no one was watching that. And then I posted the tutorial of how to check your credit reports to see if you could see a credit bureau. 

13:19
Made the video, posted it narrated behind it. It was very low production, quality, quick output and then I posted it. When asleep woke up. That video had like 150,000 views and then 10,000 followers overnight, and people love to find out how they can make a little bit of money. People are in America at litigious, so they follow it immediately, wondering when the next video is going to drop telling them how they can make more money with litigation or lawsuits or what rights. Do they not know that they need to know what about the law can help them to their benefit, and that's why people just started clicking the follow button right away and before I knew it I was like at 300,000 followers. 

Hamza Ali
Host
14:03
I actually don't know what that is. So what is this credit bureau? I need to sue a couple of people. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
14:09
My legal journey started off. I started when I took the Florida bar right after law school passed it, and then I was like it felt weird because I went to Atlanta for law school, moved back to Florida. I'm like dude, I'm back home with my parents. 

Hamza Ali
Host
14:22
You say that so easily. I know people who are trying to pass the bar and have attempted like four times. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
14:27
Yeah, I know it wasn't the easiest thing in the world, but I studied for it, passed it, got it done. It was just another hurdle. But my struggle wasn't even the bar. It was just moving back home with my parents. I thought I was really going somewhere in my life and I finished law school by 24. And I was like dude, I'm back home. All my friends are still in school. They're still in college. They're in their sixth, seventh year. We're still going to the same hookah bar every night, Talking to the same girls, talking about the same girls, doing the same stuff we've been doing. I need something different and I was like I need to just pull the trigger and take the first job that I can get out of the state, even though this is the only state I passed the bar in. I need to just figure it out. 

15:14
I applied to this job in Chicago and it wasn't even the job that was appealing. It was the fact that they were headquartered out of London and they were going to send me there for a few weeks, like three or four weeks, just the train, and then they'll relocate me to Chicago. It's just like legal AI company. I take that job just to get to London Because in low key, I was just depressed. I was like I don't really like my life right now when I was 24. Nothing was really going my way. 

15:44
I get to London, I'm in training every day till noon and they're paying for everything. They put me up a nice hotel in Covent Garden. All my meals are expensed. I was there for a month. I rack up an expense sheet like $30,000. I submit it to them. They paid it happily. They relocate me to Chicago, end up hating the job. And then I find this lawyer that's like oh, you're Florida licensed. I'm like, yeah, I'm eventually going to take Illinois I don't know when. And he's like why don't you come work with me? I actually have a way for you to practice law in Illinois even without the license. I know you're Florida licensed. 

16:25
So I got admitted into a federal district court the Northern District of Illinois, which lets you do that with the license of any state and then I just found myself doing criminal defense. Never in a million years I thought I'd be defending criminals and I worked for a solo practitioner. Left the job that paid me $30,000 basically to go to London and within a month of working there Are you still doing that. 

16:49
No, this is when I first moved to Chicago. I don't think they like me too much now, but I don't care. So yeah. Then I found myself working for this criminal defense attorney. The way he got cases was he's court appointed. So all the overflow work that the federal defender's office can't take on, or whether they're conflicted out of because they can only have one federal defender on the case, they send two local attorneys all over Chicago. So he's on a panel of attorneys. They pay out at like $150 an hour. 

17:20
So I wasn't making crazy money. I was making like $50 an hour because he was giving me part of what he was billing at. But it was work from home which was like a game changer for me. Like, I'm OK, now I can work on my time. I have the time to explore other things. I have the time to you know, time to myself, work when I want. I don't really have to answer to many people, except that one guy who was great to me, who's now just a friend and actually works with me as opposed to me working for him. 

17:46
But I got so much criminal defense experience that now I made myself available on that list, the list that he was on. Now I get criminal court appointed cases too. 

Hamza Ali
Host
17:56
What's that? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
17:56
like it's scary just because my name's out there, my address is out there. I'm on cases where I'm representing gang members, stuff like that. 

Hamza Ali
Host
18:07
And in Illinois In a lot of all places Exactly in Chicago, in Chicago. Shacktown. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
18:12
Murder Capital. 

Hamza Ali
Host
18:15
And so what are scary scenarios there? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
18:17
So we had like a murder RICO case where I actually got someone who was accused of murder off on charges just because of a technicality. But dealing with their family members, dealing with them, it's not always the most pleasant experience because we do get a lot of angry clients. So I'm still on the federal defenders list Just figuring out whether I want to stay on it, given that now I've kind of pivoted into doing some of the civil work that I do now, where I I found a niche of suing credit bureaus like experience, trans union, equifax. It's a very like specialized law. It's very interesting if, like, your credit reports don't add up, like if there, if the like, let's say, experience as you die but you're alive, right, you go around and playing for a mortgage and you can't get it and they're saying it's because you debt, you're dead, and then you tell experience, hey, I'm not dead and they don't remove that indicator off your report, you have grounds to suit it, stuff like that and that's. 

19:21
I found out about that law when I was kind of done with the criminal stuff for the most part, or we're done working for the guy I was working for just because he didn't have much work for me left I found a defense firm to work for. 

19:36
Where we were. We were actually Defending who was getting sued under consumer laws and I'm like all the plaintiff lawyers are making the money. I'm just sitting here billing out hours getting my crappy salary, like there's only so much that a hundred thousand a year is gonna get me. So I want plaintiff side just to learn the business and then this year as a, and then I kind of like moonlighted on the side Building my own book of business, building my own referral sources, getting on tiktok, making a brand for myself. As of January of this year I'm completely solo Left the firm I was working for, where it's kind of interesting because now everyone I've pretty much worked for as a lawyer Now I work alongside because now they send me cases as as a solo attorney. Now I'm on referrals with the bunch of my old connections, which is great. I have never burned a bridge like that. So yeah, I'm happy to keep the relationship going, where now I can work for myself, but at the same time keep that relationship with everyone I've ever worked with. 

Hamza Ali
Host
20:36
Well, you're working so hard. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
20:37
Yeah, you would be so many moves. 

Hamza Ali
Host
20:40
And at such, you know, so little time. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
20:42
Yeah, I, my mind's always Running at full speed. I'm always thinking about alright, what's the next thing that I I can do just to Further my own brand? There's always something. You know, whatever brings business through the door, my thing isn't like I Want to get on the best possible things. I'm always thinking like all press is good press. 

21:08
Now I've transitioned my tiktok into getting onto documentaries, doing commentary for like to be. Now I make videos with the complex and Buzzfeed Huff post has me as a, as just a creator, making videos for whatever there's something going on in the legal world or anything I even want to just talk about as a South Asian, as a Muslim, as a, as a, as a child of the diaspora, like anything I want to talk about. They just commissioned me to do and pay me for, which is great. But then people are like, okay, let me just search him up and then find what I actually do. Or, if I'm talking about law, like okay, he seems to know what he's talking about, let me hire him for that. So I've built out this referral process where, if I, if I get a case, I'm able, I'm easily able to send it out to a firm that can't handle it. But they hire me because Because they think I know what I'm talking about, right. 

Hamza Ali
Host
21:59
I hope I do and look, I think, from a legal standpoint, a lot of this business is a referral business. Yeah a lot of stuff goes out, and I mean, if you're a solo partner, are you a solo partner? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
22:08
solo. I don't want. I don't have any assistant, nothing like that. I'm looking for an attorney right now because I want to step away from doing most of the legal work and I want to just dish it off to someone who's better suited to do it. I just want to be the rainmaker, bring in business. I'm happy doing it. 

Hamza Ali
Host
22:23
I mean, that's where the money's at yeah, exactly, I don't want to. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
22:26
yeah, I want to draft discovery responses. I want to, you know, bring on the client and let someone else do the happy lifting, for sure. 

Hamza Ali
Host
22:32
And so how, how does that even like you're on all these platforms right how does that financially benefit you, or how much does that financially benefit you? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
22:43
So it started, started off on tiktok, and I never thought I'd like just be a tiktoker full-time, but my my goal has always been on tiktok, talking about Laws, because I think at the end of the day, people find me and they want to hire me. So it's bringing in business, it's building a report. People know that. I know what I'm talking about. If I pulled up tiktok right now and just look at the inbox, I would. I can show you, probably in the last hour, ten people who reached out to me trying to hire me, telling me about some problem. This happens all day long, 24-7, all day long. I probably get a hundred messages and how many of those convert? Like maybe maybe one, maybe one a day, maybe one a week. It's usually trash or usually something that I don't really want to take on Just because I don't have to bandwidth and most of the people want an attorney to sue for like a thousand dollars I'm not, you know cause a thousand dollars to file loss right and people don't really really realize that that's. 

23:42
You don't need an Attorney for that. My but my whole thing on tiktok has always been how can I bring in business? 

Hamza Ali
Host
23:47
I don't want to do the you know. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
23:48
You brought in business from tiktok tons To the point where I was able to leave my job. 

23:54
So actually the biggest thing that I brought in through tiktok hasn't been the actual business, but bringing in referral sources. They found the credit. My biggest referral sources have been like people in the credit world, people, mortgage lenders and they find me on tiktok talking about credit, consumer laws and they see that okay, he seems to know what he's talking about. Let me reach out to him. They reach out to me and they found me because I'm just talking about credit on tiktok. I'm just an authority and that was. 

Hamza Ali
Host
24:23
You're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
24:26
Oh you talking money. 

Hamza Ali
Host
24:28
I'm talking money, how much? Because of, because of, because of, because of tiktok. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
24:33
Yes, hundreds of thousands of dollars of dollars just in just just being on tiktok creating. That have to be a refund, but not, as you know, no sponsorships, no creator fund. 

Hamza Ali
Host
24:45
Just business that's coming in, business that comes in, I don't, I'm not on Google ads, I'm not. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
24:50
I don't have billboards, I'm not on TV. This is just from tiktok and why I. That I'm trying to. Why would I? Why would I continue to work for anybody at a hundred thousand dollars a year, when Just business from take a humble like this could change at any moment? My tiktok could get banned tomorrow. I've been trying to milk it for what it's worth as long as I possibly can, which is what I'm doing right now. But, um yeah, tiktok has made me. I'm not on anything else. 

Hamza Ali
Host
25:20
This is my soul, yeah so you're just using it to drive business and it's working, obviously making hundreds of thousands of dollars and you can make more. Yes, because you know, we had another attorney who came on and she was part of a law firm in California and she said that she makes more money on tiktok than she does being a lawyer and everybody in her law firm doesn't understand why she's still an attorney. She probably makes it through sponsorships or something, so that's not really the case for me. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
25:44
There are companies that try to sponsor me and stuff say, make a video. I'm like my time's just better spent Doing what I do and bringing in referral sources and even people who want to hire me. I'll let me give you an example. Someone hired me. I made a. There's this law in Illinois called BIPA. It's a biometric information privacy act. What it says is if you work at a, at anywhere, and you scan your fingerprint to clock in the work, clock out over this is an Illinois law and they don't get your informed consent on you putting your fingerprint in their system and you're doing that, you could be entitled up to a thousand dollars for every time you scan your fingerprint 10 times a week. Yeah, hundred hundreds and that's what the law says. So I just made a video about it. I didn't know. I didn't know how to file lawsuits on this type of law. Someone found me. They said they work at this place and I'm like okay, screw it, I'm gonna. I'm just gonna retain you. 

26:37
File a law, a class action lawsuit against the, your employer. Immediately After I file that lawsuit, within a month, attorney reaches out. He's like what do you want? I'm like no, I want to settle the class. I don't want to settle my individual client, I want to settle every, every employee who's ever worked for you. I want them to get money. They're like, okay, what's that gonna take? We got to a number and everybody within that class got Some portion of the settlement, and then I get 30, 40 percent of that of like hundreds of thousands of dollars. 

27:11
It's just by filing a lawsuit. Now let me, what's to stop me from doing this three, four, five, six times a year, six times a month? Yeah, and that's how that's. You just have to find it. Yeah, exactly, everything's out there. I could figure out how to do anything on the plaintiff side, because all the complaints are public record. Nothing stopping me from copying and pacing and just changing the plaintiff's name. 

Hamza Ali
Host
27:35
Filing the lawsuit settled in that case and so Okay, so you have the credit stuff where you go after the bureaus. You have money, so they're gonna settle. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
27:45
Yeah, yeah, pretty much, pretty much like insurance. 

Hamza Ali
Host
27:47
They have like unlimited money right, they have so much and so they're gonna settle and then you have the class action stuff that you're doing, and then you have tick talk what else? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
27:58
so so tick talk doesn't. I'm on the creator fund and all that, but like what's what do you make on the creator fund? Like I, just pulled it up the other day and I just actually signed up for it. I didn't. I don't care about money. Huh, the beta. I don't know what it is, but I just saw that the balance is like 200 bucks or something like that, and I don't I don't look for that money, I'm not like making videos for that number to go up. 

Hamza Ali
Host
28:21
I don't care about it, I care about getting in front of eyes. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
28:24
I care about building a report, people believing me and people like wanting to hire me. That's all I care about. 

Hamza Ali
Host
28:29
Yeah, so funny. Funny thing you say this is because when tick talk first came out, I got on tick talk, I started dancing just like everybody else. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
28:36
I was literally dancing. 

Hamza Ali
Host
28:37
I just sold my company. I didn't report to anyone, I didn't have any investors, I didn't care. So I was like, okay, I'm kind of retired, I'm just gonna dance on tick talk, dance on tick talk for a bit. Then I was like, hold on, wait a minute, let me talk about real estate. Talked about real estate, built up a following and Then, you know, kept talking about real estate to the point where today, I think, 95% of my business is driven through social media 95. 

28:59
If so, if someone comes to me outside of social media and that could be either paid like ads because I put a bunch of ads or Organic, I ask them do you follow me on social media? And if they say no, I actually reject them. I say, okay, go follow me for like a few months and then come back, and then maybe we can do business. 

29:17
Because you really need to understand how we operate as a brand and people are like, okay, yeah, fine, we'll do that. So I have to reject a bunch of people because they don't know who I am. And it's just so much more easier because they come in, sign paperwork and either invest or educate, whatever it is, but they need to know what they're doing and who they're dealing with. And it's the same for you. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
29:39
Yeah, well, you're probably at 95, I'm probably at 100%. Besides, like my court appointed criminal law stuff that I just get sent which I'm dwindling down, yeah, it's pretty much. All of it is through social media. And if they say, hey, can you tell me about this law or I wanna learn more about it, I don't type anything out anymore. I just point them to a video and just like watch this video and you'll see what You'll get it Exactly. Save so much time. 

30:04
Yeah yeah, and I think the nicest thing about TikTok has been not only just the fact that I'm able to do all this and bring in business and I make it maybe made it sound like the only reason I'm on there is for money, but I also have found benefit of using the platform to spread awareness for causes that I believe in. Bacchuson was flooded last year about a year ago to this day maybe, I raised money with Islamic Relief. On TikTok, whenever something's going on in the community, I like to talk about it just for awareness, things that I believe in. 

Hamza Ali
Host
30:42
I think I saw some of your stuff about Ramadan. Yeah, what was going on in Ramadan, I don't know. There was some drama. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
30:46
There's always drama, so what is? 

Hamza Ali
Host
30:48
that Talk about it. What's the? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
30:50
drama. So there's like my TikTok is not just law. That's boring. I think a lot of people follow me because I cover things like true crime as well, which, at the end of the day, it's like all traffic is good traffic. If they find me for true crime, they'll watch my law stuff. I also talk about things going on in the Muslim community Chicago news stuff like that. There were these fights that happened at Gawa House in Chicago. 

Hamza Ali
Host
31:24
I think that's what I saw. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
31:26
Yeah, people saw that video and they're like are you the guy who covers those like Chicago Muslim drama? And I'm like, yeah, I do talk about that sometime, but I still talk about a ton of other things, people still, and I don't think I could go to Gawa House without them being like why are? You here, like you're defaming our business. I'm not talking about the business. I'm talking about your patrons and talking about people who fight over chairs here. Why are you guys doing that? 

Hamza Ali
Host
31:54
So what happened that day? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
31:56
Honestly like saw here, say but there were several times that there were a couple of times that this happened. So the first time was during Ramadan. Like these kids were fighting in throbs. People were saying that it was over girls. I don't know, but I don't talk in absolutes. When I cover this stuff. I use I'm very careful with what I say. You're an attorney? Yeah, I'm very careful with what I say. It's always like, oh, people are saying this is happening, allegedly happening, Apparently, it's over girls, Apparently, they're fighting over girls. And then I got a bunch of DMs like, oh, you're defaming them, they're not fighting over girls. I'm like, okay, whatever they're fighting over, I don't care. The fact of the matter is they're fighting. Why are they fighting? But people were glued to stuff like that. 

Hamza Ali
Host
32:42
People are glued. And then there was another. They love that type of stuff. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
32:44
Yeah, they love drama, they love drama, especially the Muslim community. Yeah, they follow for the drama and then stay for the law Right. 

Hamza Ali
Host
32:51
That's how you re-live in. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
32:52
Yeah, exactly, talk about whatever's going on in the community. There's this one. I guess people love to hear a brown voice. They love to hear a Muslim voice Just talking about things relating to them. I'm someone who looks like them talking about things that they might be going on. They might be a patron of Gawa House. So, okay, this is interesting. Oh, but he talks about. And then once they follow me, they see oh, consumer law interesting. Okay, now I know about that. It's just a snowball effect. 

Hamza Ali
Host
33:22
Do people reach out to you for other types of things? I'm sure they reach out to you with all types of issues and family drama and other drama. I want to sue my you know whatever. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
33:30
Yeah yeah, whatever I'm talking about at the moment. So I get into a lot of lottery stuff too. I talk about the lottery, a lot Stuck for a law, but I talk about what to do if you were to come across a jackpot or any type of windfall, whether you play the lottery gamble or not. I talk about what to do with whatever winnings you get. So whenever the Powerball or the Mega Billions go past a billion, I start making those videos again about what to do when you win. And people eat that stuff up. They love tutorials, guidance, anything I can offer. And lottery winners reach out to our law firm. They're like what do we do? We won the lottery. I'm like how much did you win? They're like oh, some of the amounts are insignificant, but we get quite a few people reaching out to us. 

34:21
What does it take to be a lawyer? So that's an interesting question. I think anyone could be a lawyer. Anybody could be a lawyer. It's not hard. You just have to go to law school past the bar. That's easy. You could see it's very learnable To be a entrepreneurial lawyer, to be doing what I do. I think it takes more. I'm not an academic person. My parents have, like they wanted me to be a doctor so bad they wanted me to like they wanted, and my brother eventually became one. Hamla Salisa was one of us that did, but they wanted to just shove books down our throats and they knew that I wasn't really the type to pick it all up, but what I always was was there's this word in Urdu called chelak. 

35:13
That means exactly clever, Clever. There you go. Yeah, Clever. I find my way around things pretty easily. I understand things as soon as I see them and the way my mind thinks is OK, like why is this person doing what they're doing and are they making money from it? So I've kind of used that to back whatever I've been doing in law to make it work for me. So to be a solo attorney, I think anyone could be an attorney, but to be a solo attorney, to be an entrepreneurial attorney, you just have to be chelak. 

Hamza Ali
Host
35:51
You know, the thing is that you talk about the law. Law is one thing, operating a business is a completely different thing, and that's what you're doing, more than the law part, and social media is part of your strategy, and I think that's just playing at a very different level than a lot of people who are just practicing and just being lawyers. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
36:10
So when I was working at the law firm the very last law firm that I- what was that experience like? 

Hamza Ali
Host
36:16
Sorry, I had to cut you off there. Is it boring working for other people? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
36:19
Oh, totally, yeah, yeah, I can't. So the firm that I worked for, which I kind of do the type of law that they were doing, like the credit stuff, this is the very last firm I was working for. They taught me all of this, everything I do they taught, but what I did was I made them and I did the math and I saw how many cases I was settling for them. I made them over $1 million in my first year there. How much did I see? 130 grand. I made them $1 million. I got pennies. I'm like why am I doing all this for someone else when I could just do it for myself? But not everyone thinks that way, not everyone. Everyone's just happy with their 130, when they're 150. They'll do it with a smile on their face. They'll work for the man and slave their life away. It's just not me. I don't know whether it's a chip on my shoulder. 

Hamza Ali
Host
37:10
It has to be. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
37:11
I never grew up with money. My parents my mom's first job was Dunkin' Donuts. My dad's first job was Pizza Hut Got screwed over a lot of times. My dad tried businesses Got screwed over a lot. He was always suing people just because he was in litigation. He was either landlords, business partners, stuff like that. I was always the one talking to his attorneys. It's kind of where my interest sprawled from. But yeah, I think it's always been like I saw how hard my parents worked for their kids and it can't all be for nothing. So I think that's just been my driving factor. 

Hamza Ali
Host
37:52
What about getting out of your environment? You think that changed you? I think so. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
37:59
When I lived in Atlanta that was just school. I got it over with. I hated Atlanta. When I moved back to Florida I was like, ok, I'm back home, my parents doing the same stuff I've always been doing. And then I think Chicago is such a crazy city because, people, you've got to be tough to make it in a place like Chicago and the legal world or in the business world. You've got to have grit Just being surrounded by those buildings. I can't wait to go back to Chicago tomorrow and I can't wait to get off of 90, because every time I see that skyline I'm just like I really want to make it in the city. 

38:34
When I moved there I was like, oh, I want to high rise in that part of town. Two years ago I got a condo in the high rise I wanted. And now I look down on the apartment I used to live in. It's right below me. I'm like this is where I started and this is where I am. It's just because of all that's around me. It feeds you. Yeah, exactly, are you extroverted? People say I am, but I love alone time. I love, like sacoon, being alone, away from the noise. I love going on walks by myself. I go to the movies alone. I do a lot of things alone, but when I am in an environment with tons of people around me, I do thrive. So people say that OK, you're an extrovert while I try to convince them, but I love not being around people. So people don't believe me. 

Hamza Ali
Host
39:22
So being around people, does it give you energy or does it drain energy from you? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
39:29
I feed off the room, I read the room well and it depends on the crowd. It depends on the crowd. 

Hamza Ali
Host
39:37
OK, so wait, it depends on the crowd, because there are certain crowd that are not at your pace and you could get bored quickly. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
39:44
Yeah. 

Hamza Ali
Host
39:45
But if you are in a crowd, that's just as you know, or even maybe faster than you, would you feed off of that? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
39:55
I think you have to catch me at the right mood, on top of what type of crowd I'm in. If there's like, if there's, you know, because you get a different me, I'm not saying I have split personality, but when there's not really anybody exactly my age that I'm friends with, I don't know whether I think he's older. 

40:20
Some people OK, half my friends are older, like way older. Half my friends are younger, much younger. There's no one else I think I'm friends with who's born in 93. There's no one exactly my age and my older friends get a different me and then my younger friends get a different me. So I think I'm able to adjust based off of who I'm around, as opposed to think you have split personality, because I hope I don't. 

Hamza Ali
Host
40:45
You know it's funny. You say that because I've always wondered myself, or I always used to wonder, that I'm very similar to you. The meaning, like you know, it would depend on the room. It would have to be the right table. If it's the right table, I feed off of them, right. If it's the wrong table, I'm just not stimulated. So there's nothing for me to really take from those people. And then I feel like, well, I need to be with the right table. 

41:10
So, turns out, I joined a peer-to-peer, like a mentorship group, like a mastermind, and, believe it or not, there's people like you and like me in there where they're all just looking for the same thing and everybody just wants to feed off of everyone and we just keep feeding, and feeding, and feeding and then, you know, until there's no more to give, and what ends up happening is we just end up everybody ends up quitting in the end because there's just too much. And so I think there's a good balance and, like you said, you enjoy Sokoon. It's very good that you've realized that at 30. I definitely did not know that when I was 30. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
41:46
I was still like you know all over the place. 

Hamza Ali
Host
41:50
So yeah, it's very fascinating to hear that story from you. I feel like if I was a younger person and I had realized that earlier myself, I would be in a different place today. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
42:01
Yeah, sokoon is the biggest thing for me, but you just wouldn't think that seeing me in different type of environments, because a lot of people accuse me of being a Leo and I'm like, what does that mean? What are Leo's Like? What's the trade about them? They're like oh yeah, you know, in a crowd they're the ones that seek out the most attention. I'm like I don't want to be the cloud chaser, the attention seeker, I don't want to be that within the group. And they're like no, just like the energy that you have in a room. Maybe they're confusing it with presence, but I do tend to be the louder one in a group, maybe sometimes more assertive as well. I'm not always the leader, but I do contribute a lot more in environments than maybe than I should. 

Hamza Ali
Host
42:56
Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with that yeah, yeah. It's not for everyone. Yeah but it's for someone. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
43:02
Yeah, I wouldn't change it. I mean I like, I like how I maneuver across my friend groups. I think I, I think I just people. Some people say I'm a chameleon, but I know my audience. 

Hamza Ali
Host
43:15
And sometimes you just have to be that way. You know, in order to cater to everybody. If you're not a chameleon, you know half the world's going to hate you. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
43:22
Exactly, you got to know your audience. I think that's why. That's why it works well on TikTok, because I know how to talk to the my Muslim audience and I want to talk to my litigious white America. 

Hamza Ali
Host
43:35
So let's talk about that for a second, because earlier you mentioned a hinge. Yeah, you're probably the first guest I've had, so obviously we talk about dating apps all the time. You're the first one to mention hinge or any of the of that side of the apps world. And so what's your type? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
43:50
My type is someone. Yeah, at this point, like my type has changed across, like my my eras. At this point, I think my type more is just someone is compassionate, kind and someone who's emotionally mature within the community. Yeah, so I am talking to someone right now and I think that that we'll see. We'll see how it goes. They're probably gonna be watching this, but yeah. I, someone, someone within the community, because earlier you mentioned, like Muslim, is important. 

Hamza Ali
Host
44:32
You mentioned something that I, like I can't take her home to my mom, right? Yeah, so that would lead me to believe that, even that you know, initial hinge, whatever conversation that was, it wasn't going to go anywhere. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
44:44
So so my, my mom actually came, came around to the idea that you know, at the end of the day, like, if, if you love a person and they're willing to, you know, take on the fold, it could work. Okay. And I think initially my mom was more help and on me finding the right Muslim, muslim, right Pakistani. It's not the case anymore. My mom seen it work for others, like they've. She's seen like people have converted and it worked for them. So you know, and my mom loves me so much, I like as every brown guy mom does like we get baby to death. There's nothing. There's nothing that I can do in this world to make my mom stop loving me, and there's nothing. I'm a very convincing lawyer. I'm not saying I'm great at my job, but I could. I could convince my mom to do anything Because, just because I know she loves me, yeah. 

Hamza Ali
Host
45:39
What is it called? The mother's love is unconditional right. Yeah, I can be love, that's unconditionally. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
45:45
I could be with. Anyone of my mom would love me. Yeah, so that's not really what I was thinking about when, when considering who I end up with, because I know I could sway my mom either way. Yeah my dad, my dad really doesn't care. 

Hamza Ali
Host
46:01
That's good to hear. I remember when I was 23. Just finished college, I started working when I was 1718. I was with son on my wife. I was with her now since then. 

46:12
Yeah, we were high school sweethearts and then we went to the same university but I joined her and I was also what you call Chalak, so like I used her to like do my projects and stuff and all of that, and ended up then we ended up getting married right out of college because I was working for a few years and and I remember when I first went to my mom and my dad, I was 22 or something, 22, 23. I was like, okay, I'm ready to get married. You know, I want to get married. Here's the girl. I found her and she wasn't in my culture, she was a part of my community. She was nothing you know, and and my parents, just like you know I could see it. They just they didn't know what was happening, what hit them, and it took me a lot of convincing. I'm also very persuasive, so it took me a lot of convincing for them. 

47:01
My dad was in the beginning. My dad was like I don't even want to meet me. I was 22, bro, like you know yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's like no, it doesn't make sense. You know this will go away, it's going to be gone, don't bother me. And then I kept like you know, I think that's probably what like in me even more. I'm like no, I got to do this. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
47:22
That's, that's how I function. To it, someone tells me like I can't do something, I just want, I just want it more, right. But I think at this like when I was 22, I think my mom believed that she had more of a preference over who I end up with, but at this point she just wants me to end up with someone. Yeah, eight years later, eight years later, Like I'm 30. 

Hamza Ali
Host
47:42
She's like just get married. Now I don't even care. Are you ready though? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
47:46
I in the next two years or so I'll try like we'll see, see how things play out, but I can see myself. 

Hamza Ali
Host
47:51
Yeah, because now I mean I mean everybody now is getting married later. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
47:54
Yeah, it's the thing my dad had me at 30 and I'm at 30 and I'm not married, but I'm not even in a rush. 

Hamza Ali
Host
48:01
Once I hit 30,. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
48:02
I'm just like I'm chilling, I'm chilling. You know, I don't like, I always thought I'd be married by like 26 or something like that. 27 was the year, but I'm 30. I'm like, why was I thinking that way? I'm, you know, at 27,. I wasn't ready. I knew, like, mentally I just wasn't ready. 

Hamza Ali
Host
48:19
You know what the thing is, and what I feel personally is that I got married young. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
48:22
Yeah. 

Hamza Ali
Host
48:23
Okay, I hadn't built enough time to have a preference or or be picky, yeah, or have a lifestyle to like. You know that all she needs to fit this and she needs to be like that. It wasn't like that. It was like we, you know, we dated all through college and then we were like, yeah, let's just get married. And we were like, yeah, this is gonna be. We don't even know, like, where this is going to go or what's going to happen. 

48:44
But I feel like as you grow older it just becomes more and more difficult, because you yourself are sort of like a block. Is that the case For me. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
48:55
I think I just now, at 30, learned about what I want. It took me talking to enough women to understand what I don't, what doesn't work well with me, what works well with me and what it shaped my preference. A lot of is a lot of misfortunes and you know, falling out said, you know relationships that just didn't work for me to find the one that the type that I want to end up with. Right, you know, around around the time that, that's that I was filming the show and then that it aired, it was not talking to anybody during the show or anything like that. But afterwards, like right around the time that it was airing, was when I was getting to know people. But immediately after I had the amount of DMs I got of people trying to set me up with someone they know was unreal. But now I realize, like I could have never done that. I could have never I want. 

49:57
I'm not the type of person that wants to be set up with anyone and I'm not the type of person that wants to like the dating apps would have never worked for me at this point now, like even if I was like complete, like looking again, if I was like totally single looking, I probably wouldn't jump on the dating app. I this is just not how I want to meet someone. It's not how it's nice. It doesn't work for me. I want, I want to run into somebody in it and it was like yeah, sounds nice for everybody, that's their fantasy. I want to meet somebody at a wedding, have their debuts stuck in my watch, but you know it sounds like a fantasy, but that's not the way things are done anymore. 

50:40
Yeah, that was my time, man. 

Hamza Ali
Host
50:42
My time was a Middle East no dating apps, no Facebook. I think Facebook was just a. Thing. Maybe it just started and it was very infancy, so the social media was not really a thing. We met people organically. Yeah, yeah, how many people are you going to meet Exactly? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
51:01
Exactly, and you know, it's also made it easy because the same type of guys who wouldn't approach women, whatever the reason may be, but it just made it so much easier for them to do it, just because all you have to do is swipe right if you match or say something, it's easy. Anyone could do that, as opposed to saying, oh my God, I think that girl is cute, what should I do? Go talk to her. 

Hamza Ali
Host
51:22
So how did you meet your present? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
51:24
It was at a cooking class, oddly enough, that one of my friends was hosting back in Chicago. This was years ago and we had been friends, for I met her there, her and her friends, and we've been friends for a pretty long, pretty long time. So it takes like friendship before taking things the next step further and getting to know them at a different, you know, for a different reason. 

Hamza Ali
Host
51:52
And did her parents know about the friendship? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
51:55
Yeah, I met her parents. She's met mine. It's going well. 

Hamza Ali
Host
52:01
I'm good to hear man. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
52:02
Yeah Well, you know, we'll see what happens. Inshallah, pray for me. 

Hamza Ali
Host
52:05
Yeah, I will, man for sure. I don't know if my prayers will do you any good, but I'll try. So, all right, let's talk about DMs. Good looking guy on a TV show. Successful attorney I'm sure you get people reaching out to you. Not setting up, I'm sure you get women reaching out to you directly. What's that like? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
52:25
I am not allowed to open them, I'm not allowed to respond to them, but you get them, yeah. Yeah, it ends up in my other folder, because it's usually people I don't really like follow, or yeah, you know, what's so funny is you go to a place like Awa House and then immediately get DMs like afterwards where you at Awa House I could show you them. They're like were you at Awa House that one night? I'm like you're not going to get a response or am I going to accept the message? I just can't. 

52:59
But yeah, it happens a lot, and it's so funny because it happens more after you're unavailable, as opposed to happening when you know I'm completely single. I could have totally entertained this, but it seems to just happen at the wrong time, yeah they do for sure. 

Hamza Ali
Host
53:23
The reason I bring it up is that everybody who sits there on that chair that you're sitting, gets a significant amount of DMs. I'm not going to get into my DMs because my social media account is tracked by Zara, so my DMs are very interesting, but yeah, it's just something I guess we're going to have to learn to live with right. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
53:45
I'm also not public about talking to anybody on my social media, so it doesn't look like I just look like a single guy. Honestly, if you see my pictures it doesn't look like I'm in a relationship or anything, but I don't really put that stuff out there either, it's just private. Yeah, so maybe I can't blame them right, Like I would have, maybe when I was 23, would have done the same stuff. I would have been sliding in people's DMs too. 

Hamza Ali
Host
54:11
I don't know Any aggressive DMs, because I get a few that are aggressive. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
54:17
Yeah, definitely here and there. You know more on TikTok. I get aggressive DMs from people like trying to hire me and stuff. No, I'm talking about love DMs. 

Hamza Ali
Host
54:29
Aggressive love DMs. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
54:31
They. I'm not like aggressive, but I get very persistent DMs Like people who've been messaging for such a long time and I'm like dude, I don't know how you have the time to like, how do you even keep up with this? Yeah, I get it, but you got to appreciate that to some point. There's some hustle in that it takes a lot of persistence for some people, that's right. 

Hamza Ali
Host
54:56
You know, before we end, I wanted to go over some of the stuff that I'm going through. Obviously, you're an attorney. I'm going to take advantage of this. I went, I got multiple. I used to get a lot of lawsuits, get into a lot of lawsuits as a landlord, and so you know, I grew thick skin. I won most of them. Most of them were baseless and you know, what I've learned is that tenants will try to get as much as they can with. Sometimes they do. You know it's not a significant amount, but sometimes they win, sometimes I win. 

55:22
But more recently, and something that I've been more vocal about ever since I got my green card, is I actually got scammed out of a million dollars by an immigration attorney who lives here in this neighborhood and basically you know when the Yemen thing happened, when the travel ban happened, yeah, so there was a lot of tension around that time and within the Middle Eastern and Dacey community people knew that I was kind of like a high roller, let's just say, because of my business and the income and that type of thing. So I got approached by this attorney and he basically claimed that I was. There was a red flag on my name and I wouldn't be able to travel and if anything ever happened I would get deported and my kids would be in trouble and all of that. He played like a really deep long game and he convinced me to give him a million dollars to resolve my immigration issues and get me my green card. At that time I didn't have my green card, so I just come in, I was on a work visa and you know that type of thing. So anyways, ended up giving him a million dollars. 

56:24
I'm suing him now. The lawsuits has been going for about I don't know five years now and he ends up suing me because I made a video about it Defamation, defamation and what not. But you know. So he's a pretty shady character and if you look him up, a bunch of lawsuits like people are suing him left and right. He's suing people left and right, like he's just very active in the world of lawsuits and so hopefully this year I get to go on trial jury in front of a jury and. 

56:55
I'm really excited about that, but it's just crazy. You know in my mind what people can get away with here, especially someone being an attorney Like this guy's, literally taking advantage of the situation that he's an attorney and bending everything he can just to either evade or just not comply, and it just made my life a living hell man. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
57:22
I can't imagine Million dollars. I mean, that's no joke. First of all, he shouldn't have solicited you like that. 

Hamza Ali
Host
57:29
So he got a referral fee so we subpoenaed his bank accounts. The guy that took me to him got paid $20,000. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
57:36
Was that person an attorney? No, that in itself is a violation of bar ethics. You can't give, you can't fee split with a non-attorney. 

Hamza Ali
Host
57:47
Obviously he's not going to say it was a commission Exactly, but we have the bank records. What do they call it Marketing, I don't know. Whatever he's going to expense it, so that's going to be interesting. So that's one thing. Okay. Then what I ended up finding out is he took my million because the million dollars, it was so urgent, you know. So what I did is I tried to figure out okay, why a million dollars and why was he? So? It was there was a need, it was urgent. And so it turns out he ends up buying a piece of land with that million dollars. That I believe was like some type of foreclosure, or he had limited amount of time to go and buy that land. So what I did is that land ended up going into bankruptcy for him. So he wasn't able to make payments, you know, because of all the movement that he had, and as a result of that, I ended up putting, I ended up filing as a person for that bankruptcy as well. 

58:38
You're a creditor on the bankruptcy Exactly, so you get paid Exactly, and so unfortunately, there was nothing left after the debt was paid, but the judge, Judge Morgan, did a really good job with. It was called a letter of fact or a letter of findings or something like that, In which he basically said that while that guy was on the bench he was a complete liar. Like 80% of what he said was lies and it didn't make sense. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
59:03
As an attorney. Is he still? Is he still licensed? He's still licensed. Did you report him to the bar? I? 

Hamza Ali
Host
59:08
did. Unfortunately, nothing came out of it. Nothing came out of it. Nothing came out of it. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
59:13
The bar will investigate that, but how long ago did you report it? 

Hamza Ali
Host
59:18
That was a long time ago man Over two years ago probably Like maybe five years? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
59:24
Did you check the bar to see if he's still licensed in Texas? 

Hamza Ali
Host
59:26
Oh, he's still licensed, I'm not sure if he's still licensed in Texas, but he's still licensed, he's out there, because I get DMs from other people that he's scammed, that, hey, could you help me? 

59:34
Like you know, ever since I went vocal because the thing is, I was quiet until I got my green card because I didn't know what the hell this guy was gonna do. Right, is he gonna, like you know, I don't know report me or do something or this band thing or whatever that was. Once I got my green card, then I started going vocal and you know I do the same thing, according to what the judge said, I just report on that and I talk about I haven't really talked about it too much because I just got my green card, like literally, like not too long ago, but I do plan on discussing this and opening this up, yeah, so that other people know you know, cuz immigrants. Look, I, I got lucky, I made enough money to where I feel confident I can fight this guy and I can spend money to fight him. But there's a lot of people who don't. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:00:20
Yeah, they just, they just let it go well, this judge literally came out and found that he perjured himself and they still still nothing came of that nothing that was in bankruptcy court. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:00:32
So now I'm going to the actual lawsuit. Yeah, this was a side case that I had. Yeah, the original lawsuit. I filed it in time and it's still going through courts and this guy's been like delaying it. And COVID happened and this happened and my mom died and you know, did he? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:00:47
did he try to set? I mean, don't you don't have to talk about it, but he tried to settle with you, say I just take he may claim that he tried to settle with me, but he did not is he pro say, is he, is he representing himself in? 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:00:58
the defense. He has a firm. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:01:00
Yeah, he has a firm wow, yeah, gotta slimy his name because I got a look into this. I got I mean that's that it's crazy there are million dollars the way the bar, the way the bar investigates. 

01:01:13
I don't understand some of the, some of the reasoning behind the. Their rationale is to like disciplining some attorneys but not really disciplining others. There's an attorney in Chicago that literally gets in bar fights all the time. But what? The but the? What thing you can't do is commingo client funds or like take money from a client or she, but that's the literally the worst thing that an attorney can do, and that bar will not hold back from disciplining an attorney and making an example of. So the fact that you said, you reported this and the bar did nothing about it. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:01:43
So it could be because I maybe drafted the documents, or maybe I didn't do a good job explaining what exactly happened. Maybe I don't know, but yeah, it's. It's definitely something that, till today, I have to work with, you know, and still today, this lawsuit is still pending and we're trying to get it done and we're trying to really take this guy down. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:02:04
I would just keep filing bar complaints. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:02:07
I would do that, yeah, after I would no such a limitation so bar complaints are just with the. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:02:12
It's not even something that you're filing against him. It's really you telling the bar like this needs to be looked into because he stole money from me. Right? That's ridiculous, that that just doesn't fly that's the one thing you can't do. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:02:25
You could, literally, as an attorney, a son 20, 17 or whenever the travel ban, whenever Trump came into power and the travel ban came in, bro, we were fearful of our lives at that point yeah, because of this guy you know, I mean, of course, the situation was very difficult and we didn't know what was gonna happen, because we were hearing all these people are going back and you know, these people with their visas, they're not renewing anymore, they have to leave. And I had a business, I had investors, yeah, my and my business was like significant. You know, it wasn't like so. As a result of that, I was very fearful as to what is gonna happen if, like, what is gonna happen to my investors, to my limited partners, to all of this, if something were to happen to me. And so this guy swooped in at the right time and just played on that did you talk to any other attorneys around? 

01:03:10
I did not at the time, and the reason I didn't talk to anyone is because I wasn't like I was in panic, yeah, and as soon as this person came to me, I was like please just find me a solution, you know what I mean. And then I came to find out that it was all just a scam. Scam. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:03:27
I I'm in disbelief. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:03:30
How that's scary man. But you know, since then he lost his office so he doesn't have an office anymore. He has like a remote office, shitty office, like somewhere, like you know, it's not even remote, I think, it's all offices out of his house or something. He lost his land so that went into bankruptcy. He couldn't make payments, he lost everything or so. So it seems right. But he still drives a super fancy car, you know, still out and about. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:04:04
So you said he still practices, but you actually type his name in to it. Says active. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:04:09
Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy, and I remember the first video I made about it on tiktok, which was recent. I actually got people who reached out to me. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:04:18
They're like bro this happened to me too. This happened with some other attorney, not this guy. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:04:22
Oh yeah, oh my gosh, that's a mess, and so I was like what's going on, man? Like you know, there's, there's people who are in this just to take advantage of other people, and that's my situation. Of course. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:04:31
Now I'm just sharing it with you and I'm sharing it with them, you know you sued him for for a million dollars. Malpractice was a malpractice or? 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:04:38
theft. Well, it was malpractice and it was a bunch of other things. I don't know exactly if I give you yeah if I give you the names, you'll be able to look up the lawsuits. Yeah, and it was just. You know, it's just a. I honestly I can't wait to get in front of the jury because this guy is just like. I don't understand how he's still, like you know, doing what he's doing so, step one is is the jury trial. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:05:03
You get the verdict, you get a judgment, and collecting on the judgment is just a whole lot so that. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:05:08
But you know what? At least if I have the, the collection, then I take it to the next level. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:05:16
Yeah, you know the money, I can wait yeah, that's not important to you, it's just the principle. At that point and a lot of my clients say the same thing you know what? I don't even care about. I want to pay you right before I want to pay that person right. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:05:29
It's not about and so that's kind of what we're, what we're working towards now. The good thing is that in the bankruptcy court technically, what was that thing that I got finding a fact is that what it's called yeah, so banks bankruptcy judges do make findings of fact. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:05:45
That's what it's called, right? 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:05:45
so I got a finding of fact in my favor, yeah, and then he appealed it. So there's four things he appealed it on. There's two of those things he lost. So he's gonna continue. He's probably gonna take it up, you know, but he keeps losing now, which is good, and I think one of them. If he loses them, then I don't even have to pursue the other lawsuit, I can just go on, go basically the law on this then automatically goes into that are you paying your lawyers hourly? 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:06:16
I am. It's expensive, yeah, I. So these days I don't really take on hourly work just because a lot of clients fight on bills is it contingency based? Then hot, all of what I do is all fee shifting right. So under under the FCRA, the Fair Credit Reporting Act, the law that I sue on my client is entitled to their statutory damages and attorneys fees. That's how we get paid right doesn't yeah, right. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:06:41
Yeah, I know I'm paying for sure, that's expensive. It's expensive. It's by the time, it's all said and done. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:06:47
I don't even know if it's worth the judgment will hopefully cure that and get you compensated there too. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:06:52
Yeah so you know we're waiting, we'll see, but you know the exciting thing is that it's all gonna hopefully get resolved this year. This year was a big year for me, you know, so got my red, white and blue and now I'm moving towards, hopefully, this. This is the only thing so far that I feel personally that I have not won in yet. Yeah, and I like winning you and me both brother. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:07:15
Yes, so that that's my. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:07:17
You know legal issues here in the US other than that, like I said, man, look when you, when you're, when you're in real estate, you're gonna get sued, yeah it's not doing business, it's yeah, it's just here and there and it's fine. It's part of life, you know man, that's a. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:07:32
I'm just in disbelief. How a million dollars and still didn't get looked at twice. Yeah, keep filing those bar complaints. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:07:40
Maybe I'll keep doing that. I don't know. My attorneys are not. My attorneys are more hopeful on the bankruptcy court stuff and if that goes through, then hopefully that cures everything. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:07:51
Yeah, I've already moved on, like you know so yeah, those are statements that he's made in front of a tribunal like a bankruptcy court. Well, it can be used against him in jury you should listen to you if I give you the transcripts. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:08:02
Well, this guy's a joke. I don't even understand how he's an attorney. That's honest. That's it, and, and so it's gonna be very interesting to see him in front of a jury because the jury's gonna say the same thing. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:08:12
I could have totally been me. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:08:13
I could have put up that money exactly. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:08:15
Yeah so you have punitive damages on top. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:08:17
Hopefully it'll come out to be a lot more than a million, hopefully yeah, so I'm very hopeful and I'm very, I'm very actually honestly happy that it's getting done this year. Yeah, so you know, we're gonna end on that that was. That was a high note, I think. Once again, haseeb, thank you for coming, man. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:08:34
I really appreciate time. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:08:36
I know you're very busy and there's a lot of things that happen, but you know what? Out of this not only came a great podcast, but it's gonna be an amazing friendship. 

Haseeb Hussain
Guest
01:08:44
I can't wait for it that's awesome. 

Hamza Ali
Host
01:08:45